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AliB12
10-07-2020, 06:50 AM
Hello I am from Azerbaijan I have done Autosomal test and got my g25 results so I would be glad to hear your opinion
Here are results https://m.imgur.com/TmHeVnu
Individual comparison https://m.imgur.com/1dnztXu
population https://imgur.com/a/GmaArxH

Helves
10-10-2020, 10:17 AM
Good runs, you seem to have high Steppe. Are you Republican Azeri or Iranian Azeri?

AliB12
10-10-2020, 01:19 PM
Good runs, you seem to have high Steppe. Are you Republican Azeri or Iranian Azeri?

Republican Azeri, I'm sorry but what do you mean by high steppe?

Helves
10-10-2020, 01:21 PM
Republican Azeri, I'm sorry but what do you mean by high steppe?

Your Yamnaya_Samara is higher than the average Azeri.

AliB12
10-11-2020, 11:42 AM
Your Yamnaya_Samara is higher than the average Azeri.

Interesting, what do you think this could indicate?

Helves
10-12-2020, 04:29 PM
Interesting, what do you think this could indicate?

It's still within the norm though. I think you look typical for the region, maybe a bit less East Eurasian.

Xeon
10-14-2020, 04:57 PM
What model did you use for those? And have your ancestors always lived in the republic or are they recent migrants from Iran? You seem very close to Iranian populations but maybe that's just the case for most Azerbaijanis. Interesting.

AliB12
10-15-2020, 06:19 AM
What model did you use for those? And have your ancestors always lived in the republic or are they recent migrants from Iran? You seem very close to Iranian populations but maybe that's just the case for most Azerbaijanis. Interesting.

I asked a friend to do it, he also shared post about ethnogenesis of Azerbaijanis here is the link https://www.reddit.com/r/azerbaijan/comments/iw7xda/the_genetic_origin_of_azerbaijani_turks/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

According to my family we have always lived in our town in Azerbaijan

Xeon
10-15-2020, 06:43 AM
I asked a friend to do it, he also shared post about ethnogenesis of Azerbaijanis here is the link https://www.reddit.com/r/azerbaijan/comments/iw7xda/the_genetic_origin_of_azerbaijani_turks/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

According to my family we have always lived in our town in Azerbaijan

Interesting, so it seems like the closest population to Azerbaijanis are NW Iranians, specifically Turkish Kurds and Talysh. The major difference is the central asian turkic admixture.

AliB12
10-15-2020, 10:25 AM
Interesting, so it seems like the closest population to Azerbaijanis are NW Iranians, specifically Turkish Kurds and Talysh. The major difference is the central asian turkic admixture.

Yes I think that is normal for the geography and history, my result seems to have more Iranic and less East Eurasian

AliB12
10-16-2020, 10:02 AM
Interesting, so it seems like the closest population to Azerbaijanis are NW Iranians, specifically Turkish Kurds and Talysh. The major difference is the central asian turkic admixture.

Hello sorry I could not pm you because I don't have 10 posts but here are my results from your source https://imgur.com/a/loSR0YM
https://imgur.com/a/ZEu6MM0

Buxoro
10-16-2020, 11:04 AM
That Levant score omg

Buxoro
10-16-2020, 11:08 AM
What model did you use for those? And have your ancestors always lived in the republic or are they recent migrants from Iran? You seem very close to Iranian populations but maybe that's just the case for most Azerbaijanis. Interesting.

Nothing surprising, they are mostly western asian/middle eastern with only minor turkic admixture

AliB12
10-16-2020, 11:28 AM
What could Levant score indicate?

AliB12
10-16-2020, 11:31 AM
Nothing surprising, they are mostly western asian/middle eastern with only minor turkic admixture

Afaik average is around 4-11% hence the reason my east eurasian falls behind

Buxoro
10-16-2020, 11:42 AM
Afaik average is around 4-11% hence the reason my east eurasian falls behind

More or less, but something above 8% is very rare probably.

Buxoro
10-16-2020, 11:48 AM
What could Levant score indicate?

The score is the same with Iranians and Kurds, I suspect Azeri average should be lower than that.

Buxoro
10-16-2020, 11:54 AM
Here is my father result, no Levant at all:
Target: BuxoroFather_scaled
Distance: 5.2309% / 0.05230880
31.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
27.6 TUR_Barcin_N
22.0 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N
18.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara

Azeri average:

Target: Azeri
Distance: 2.3968% / 0.02396778
25.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
21.4 TUR_Barcin_N
18.8 Levant_PPNC
14.4 GEO_CHG
14.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
5.4 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N

Target: Azeri_Dagestan
Distance: 2.5633% / 0.02563291
22.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
20.8 TUR_Barcin_N
20.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
19.2 GEO_CHG
14.2 Levant_PPNC
3.6 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N

Halgurd
10-16-2020, 12:00 PM
Hello sorry I could not pm you because I don't have 10 posts but here are my results from your source https://imgur.com/a/loSR0YM
https://imgur.com/a/ZEu6MM0

You have very similar results to me

Xeon
10-16-2020, 04:39 PM
Hello sorry I could not pm you because I don't have 10 posts but here are my results from your source https://imgur.com/a/loSR0YM
https://imgur.com/a/ZEu6MM0

Very similar to mine

Target: Xeon_scaled
Distance: 2.7735% / 0.02773461

33.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
20.6 Levant_PPNC
18.4 TUR_Barcin_N
14.4 GEO_CHG
13.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.4 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N

Buxoro
10-16-2020, 05:33 PM
Very similar to mine

Target: Xeon_scaled
Distance: 2.7735% / 0.02773461

33.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
20.6 Levant_PPNC
18.4 TUR_Barcin_N
14.4 GEO_CHG
13.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.4 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N

Interesting my Bukharan Persian father gets almost as much Ganj Dareh as you but no Levant (alien component for iranics) at all.

Magnetic
10-16-2020, 05:49 PM
Interesting my Bukharan Persian father gets almost as much Ganj Dareh as you but no Levant (alien component for iranics) at all.

your bukharan persian father gets 22% devils gate cave ....

Xeon
10-16-2020, 06:14 PM
Interesting my Bukharan Persian father gets almost as much Ganj Dareh as you but no Levant (alien component for iranics) at all.

That's because he is Persian by language not ethnicity. He's a persianized eastern Iranian. The levant is thousands of miles away from central asia

Buxoro
10-16-2020, 06:15 PM
your bukharan persian father gets 22% devils gate cave ....


That's because he is Persian by language not ethnicity. He's a persianized eastern Iranian. The levant is thousands of miles away from central asia


Yeah Tajiks and Uzbekistani Persians carry East Eurasian and it’s normal.
Don’t forget that original people who spoke proto-persian and iranized natives of iranian plateau came to modern day Iran exactly from Central Asia and were substantially Steppe admixed along with minor east eurasian and had no Middle Eastern.

Mithra 𐎷𐎰𐎼
10-16-2020, 06:17 PM
your bukharan persian father gets 22% devils gate cave ....

Expected isn't it ? ;) The Persians of Central Asia and Uzbeks mixed a lot. What's more interesting is that western Iranics including our Azeri bros:P turn out to be strongly related ethnic groups.


Interesting my Bukharan Persian father gets almost as much Ganj Dareh as you but no Levant (alien component for iranics) at all.

It's not an alien component for Western Iranics. Natufian(Levante) on average 6-7% for Kurds, Lurs,Taylsh,Azeri... . Eastern Iranics i.e Pashtuns and Tajiks(Persians of Central Asia) turn out to be quite different and not homogenous at all.

Mithra 𐎷𐎰𐎼
10-16-2020, 06:25 PM
Yeah Tajiks and Uzbekistani Persians carry East Eurasian and it’s normal.
Don’t forget that original people who spoke proto-persian and iranized natives of iranian plateau came to modern day Iran exactly from Central Asia and were substantially Steppe admixed along with minor east eurasian and had no Middle Eastern.

That's how Iranics who spoke Proto-Persian(Avestan) probably looked like genetically:
Target: TKM_IA
Distance: 2.2059% / 0.02205886
54.4 RUS_Srubnaya_MLBA
42.0 TKM_Namazga_Tepe_En
2.2 Levant_Natufian
1.4 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N

1.4% East Eurasian, not very much. Tajik_Yaghnobi are the closest modern population to them:

Distance to: TKM_IA
0.04423686 Tajik_Yagnobi
0.05403376 Darginian
0.05430709 Kaitag
0.05468974 Avar
0.05576675 Lak
0.05628187 Tabasaran
0.05651708 Tajik_Rushan
0.05752400 Kubachinian
0.06546090 Tajik_Shugnan
0.07775393 Chechen
0.08212449 Tajik_Ishkashim
0.08289857 Kumyk
0.08518327 Azeri_Dagestan
0.08657770 Ingushian
0.08891818 Balkar
0.09134098 Cherkes
0.09206001 Tajik
0.09232965 Kabardin
0.09248996 Karachay
0.09352699 Circassian
0.09469496 Iranian_Zoroastrian
0.09589086 Abazin
0.09589086 Abazin
0.09685030 North_Ossetian
0.09765511 Iranian_Fars

Xeon
10-16-2020, 06:28 PM
What could Levant score indicate?

The levant score is more or less native to western/north western iran. Pre iranic / turkic inhabitants of those areas already had levant and passed it down to us. It pre dates the arabic invasion by thousands of years.

Armenians have it as well, which is why they are close to assyrians

Buxoro
10-16-2020, 07:06 PM
That's how Iranics who spoke Proto-Persian(Avestan) probably looked like genetically:
Target: TKM_IA
Distance: 2.2059% / 0.02205886
54.4 RUS_Srubnaya_MLBA
42.0 TKM_Namazga_Tepe_En
2.2 Levant_Natufian
1.4 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N

1.4% East Eurasian, not very much. Tajik_Yaghnobi are the closest modern population to them:

Distance to: TKM_IA
0.04423686 Tajik_Yagnobi
0.05403376 Darginian
0.05430709 Kaitag
0.05468974 Avar
0.05576675 Lak
0.05628187 Tabasaran
0.05651708 Tajik_Rushan
0.05752400 Kubachinian
0.06546090 Tajik_Shugnan
0.07775393 Chechen
0.08212449 Tajik_Ishkashim
0.08289857 Kumyk
0.08518327 Azeri_Dagestan
0.08657770 Ingushian
0.08891818 Balkar
0.09134098 Cherkes
0.09206001 Tajik
0.09232965 Kabardin
0.09248996 Karachay
0.09352699 Circassian
0.09469496 Iranian_Zoroastrian
0.09589086 Abazin
0.09589086 Abazin
0.09685030 North_Ossetian
0.09765511 Iranian_Fars

The Yaz culture of modern day Turkmenistan/Uzbekistan is the most probable cultural heritage connected to Avestan scriptures. The gonur site is described as a Yaz culture:

Target: TKM_Gonur3_BA:I6124
Distance: 5.0028% / 0.05002828
52.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
18.2 TUR_Barcin_N
14.2 GEO_CHG
7.2 Levant_PPNC
6.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
1.8 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N

Target: TKM_Gonur2_BA:I2123
Distance: 12.9084% / 0.12908414
75.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
13.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
10.8 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N

Target: TKM_Gonur2_BA:I11041
Distance: 10.5193% / 0.10519328
83.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
8.6 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N
8.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara

Target: TKM_Gonur1_BA_o:I1783
Distance: 6.6978% / 0.06697829
57.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
37.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
5.4 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N

Target: TKM_Gonur1_BA:I3374
Distance: 4.1707% / 0.04170703
67.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
25.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
6.4 TUR_Barcin_N
1.0 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N

Target: TKM_Gonur1_BA:I2121
Distance: 3.7229% / 0.03722928
73.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
9.2 GEO_CHG
8.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
7.4 TUR_Barcin_N
1.0 Levant_PPNC

Target: TKM_Gonur1_BA:I2116
Distance: 5.1392% / 0.05139170
66.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
12.4 GEO_CHG
10.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
10.4 TUR_Barcin_N

Target: TKM_Gonur1_BA:I2085
Distance: 4.7187% / 0.04718675
53.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
17.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
14.2 GEO_CHG
11.6 TUR_Barcin_N
3.2 Levant_PPNC

Target: TKM_Gonur1_BA:I1793
Distance: 5.7080% / 0.05707998
55.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
16.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
15.0 TUR_Barcin_N
10.2 GEO_CHG
2.8 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N

Target: TKM_Gonur1_BA:I1790
Distance: 4.2730% / 0.04273021
73.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
12.6 TUR_Barcin_N
12.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
1.2 GEO_CHG
0.4 Levant_PPNC
0.4 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N

Target: TKM_Gonur1_BA:I1788
Distance: 4.4624% / 0.04462445
61.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
16.8 GEO_CHG
10.4 TUR_Barcin_N
5.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
4.0 Levant_PPNC
1.8 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N

Target: TKM_Gonur1_BA:I1784
Distance: 3.2164% / 0.03216353
69.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
11.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
10.4 TUR_Barcin_N
7.2 GEO_CHG
2.2 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N

Target: TKM_Gonur1_BA:I1782
Distance: 4.8004% / 0.04800396
64.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
20.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
7.6 TUR_Barcin_N
7.0 GEO_CHG
1.2 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N

Target: TKM_Gonur1_BA:I1781
Distance: 4.7408% / 0.04740772
66.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
13.4 TUR_Barcin_N
9.8 GEO_CHG
9.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.6 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N
0.2 Levant_PPNC

Target: TKM_Gonur1_BA:I10411
Distance: 4.0620% / 0.04061972
70.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
14.8 GEO_CHG
11.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
3.8 TUR_Barcin_N

Indeed not much East Eurasian at all but i suspect they also had mixed individuals (there are samples from UZB and TJK of same period that are East Eurasian and Steppe inclined).

Buxoro
10-17-2020, 03:09 AM
The Yaz culture of modern day Turkmenistan/Uzbekistan is the most probable cultural heritage connected to Avestan scriptures. The gonur site is described as a Yaz culture:

Target: TKM_Gonur3_BA:I6124
Distance: 5.0028% / 0.05002828
52.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
18.2 TUR_Barcin_N
14.2 GEO_CHG
7.2 Levant_PPNC
6.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
1.8 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N

Target: TKM_Gonur2_BA:I2123
Distance: 12.9084% / 0.12908414
75.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
13.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
10.8 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N

Target: TKM_Gonur2_BA:I11041
Distance: 10.5193% / 0.10519328
83.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
8.6 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N
8.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara

Target: TKM_Gonur1_BA_o:I1783
Distance: 6.6978% / 0.06697829
57.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
37.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
5.4 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N

Target: TKM_Gonur1_BA:I3374
Distance: 4.1707% / 0.04170703
67.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
25.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
6.4 TUR_Barcin_N
1.0 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N

Target: TKM_Gonur1_BA:I2121
Distance: 3.7229% / 0.03722928
73.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
9.2 GEO_CHG
8.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
7.4 TUR_Barcin_N
1.0 Levant_PPNC

Target: TKM_Gonur1_BA:I2116
Distance: 5.1392% / 0.05139170
66.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
12.4 GEO_CHG
10.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
10.4 TUR_Barcin_N

Target: TKM_Gonur1_BA:I2085
Distance: 4.7187% / 0.04718675
53.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
17.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
14.2 GEO_CHG
11.6 TUR_Barcin_N
3.2 Levant_PPNC

Target: TKM_Gonur1_BA:I1793
Distance: 5.7080% / 0.05707998
55.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
16.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
15.0 TUR_Barcin_N
10.2 GEO_CHG
2.8 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N

Target: TKM_Gonur1_BA:I1790
Distance: 4.2730% / 0.04273021
73.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
12.6 TUR_Barcin_N
12.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
1.2 GEO_CHG
0.4 Levant_PPNC
0.4 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N

Target: TKM_Gonur1_BA:I1788
Distance: 4.4624% / 0.04462445
61.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
16.8 GEO_CHG
10.4 TUR_Barcin_N
5.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
4.0 Levant_PPNC
1.8 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N

Target: TKM_Gonur1_BA:I1784
Distance: 3.2164% / 0.03216353
69.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
11.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
10.4 TUR_Barcin_N
7.2 GEO_CHG
2.2 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N

Target: TKM_Gonur1_BA:I1782
Distance: 4.8004% / 0.04800396
64.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
20.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
7.6 TUR_Barcin_N
7.0 GEO_CHG
1.2 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N

Target: TKM_Gonur1_BA:I1781
Distance: 4.7408% / 0.04740772
66.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
13.4 TUR_Barcin_N
9.8 GEO_CHG
9.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.6 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N
0.2 Levant_PPNC

Target: TKM_Gonur1_BA:I10411
Distance: 4.0620% / 0.04061972
70.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
14.8 GEO_CHG
11.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
3.8 TUR_Barcin_N

Indeed not much East Eurasian at all but i suspect they also had mixed individuals (there are samples from UZB and TJK of same period that are East Eurasian and Steppe inclined).

TKM iron age is pred. steppe however:
Target: TKM_IA:DA382
Distance: 2.6860% / 0.02685989
56.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
24.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
11.8 TUR_Barcin_N
6.2 Levant_PPNC
1.0 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N

In the end, i suppose the average of the proto-persian Central Asia would be around 50% steppe 50% Zagros neolithic

Mithra 𐎷𐎰𐎼
10-17-2020, 08:24 AM
The Yaz culture of modern day Turkmenistan/Uzbekistan is the most probable cultural heritage connected to Avestan scriptures. The gonur site is described as a Yaz culture:

Target: TKM_Gonur3_BA:I6124
Distance: 5.0028% / 0.05002828
52.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
18.2 TUR_Barcin_N
14.2 GEO_CHG
7.2 Levant_PPNC
6.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
1.8 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N

Target: TKM_Gonur2_BA:I2123
Distance: 12.9084% / 0.12908414
75.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
13.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
10.8 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N

Target: TKM_Gonur2_BA:I11041
Distance: 10.5193% / 0.10519328
83.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
8.6 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N
8.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara

Target: TKM_Gonur1_BA_o:I1783
Distance: 6.6978% / 0.06697829
57.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
37.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
5.4 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N

Target: TKM_Gonur1_BA:I3374
Distance: 4.1707% / 0.04170703
67.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
25.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
6.4 TUR_Barcin_N
1.0 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N

Target: TKM_Gonur1_BA:I2121
Distance: 3.7229% / 0.03722928
73.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
9.2 GEO_CHG
8.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
7.4 TUR_Barcin_N
1.0 Levant_PPNC

Target: TKM_Gonur1_BA:I2116
Distance: 5.1392% / 0.05139170
66.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
12.4 GEO_CHG
10.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
10.4 TUR_Barcin_N

Target: TKM_Gonur1_BA:I2085
Distance: 4.7187% / 0.04718675
53.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
17.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
14.2 GEO_CHG
11.6 TUR_Barcin_N
3.2 Levant_PPNC

Target: TKM_Gonur1_BA:I1793
Distance: 5.7080% / 0.05707998
55.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
16.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
15.0 TUR_Barcin_N
10.2 GEO_CHG
2.8 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N

Target: TKM_Gonur1_BA:I1790
Distance: 4.2730% / 0.04273021
73.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
12.6 TUR_Barcin_N
12.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
1.2 GEO_CHG
0.4 Levant_PPNC
0.4 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N

Target: TKM_Gonur1_BA:I1788
Distance: 4.4624% / 0.04462445
61.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
16.8 GEO_CHG
10.4 TUR_Barcin_N
5.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
4.0 Levant_PPNC
1.8 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N

Target: TKM_Gonur1_BA:I1784
Distance: 3.2164% / 0.03216353
69.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
11.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
10.4 TUR_Barcin_N
7.2 GEO_CHG
2.2 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N

Target: TKM_Gonur1_BA:I1782
Distance: 4.8004% / 0.04800396
64.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
20.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
7.6 TUR_Barcin_N
7.0 GEO_CHG
1.2 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N

Target: TKM_Gonur1_BA:I1781
Distance: 4.7408% / 0.04740772
66.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
13.4 TUR_Barcin_N
9.8 GEO_CHG
9.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.6 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N
0.2 Levant_PPNC

Target: TKM_Gonur1_BA:I10411
Distance: 4.0620% / 0.04061972
70.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
14.8 GEO_CHG
11.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
3.8 TUR_Barcin_N

Indeed not much East Eurasian at all but i suspect they also had mixed individuals (there are samples from UZB and TJK of same period that are East Eurasian and Steppe inclined).




Gonur isnīt Yaz-Culture these are BMAC samples. They have steppe ancestry interesting, isn't it ? Before Indo-Iranians there is steppe ancestry in Central Asia. I suppose it's shared ancestry found in Iran_Neolithic and the southern ancestry of Yamnaya.

Mithra 𐎷𐎰𐎼
10-17-2020, 08:28 AM
TKM iron age is pred. steppe however:
Target: TKM_IA:DA382
Distance: 2.6860% / 0.02685989
56.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
24.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
11.8 TUR_Barcin_N
6.2 Levant_PPNC
1.0 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N

In the end, i suppose the average of the proto-persian Central Asia would be around 50% steppe 50% Zagros neolithic

Yes this is the sample from very close to Yaz-culture, just few kilometers north of Yaz-culture in Turkmenistan. Check my model above roughly 50% steppe derived (Srubnaya gets the best fit) and roughly 50% BMAC (Namazga-Tepe).

Buxoro
10-17-2020, 08:59 AM
Gonur isnīt Yaz-Culture these are BMAC samples. They have steppe ancestry interesting, isn't it ? Before Indo-Iranians there is steppe ancestry in Central Asia. I suppose it's shared ancestry found in Iran_Neolithic and the southern ancestry of Yamnaya.

Well i read in russian that Gonur is linked to Yaz.
But i think you re right.

Mithra 𐎷𐎰𐎼
10-17-2020, 04:38 PM
Well i read in russian that Gonur is linked to Yaz.
But i think you re right.

Gonur Tepe was the main city of BMAC.

English Wikipedia:
Gonur Depe (Turkmen: Goňur depe) is an archaeological site located about 60 km north of Mary (ancient Merv), Turkmenistan consisting of a large early Bronze Age settlement. It is the "capital" or major settlement of the Bactria–Margiana Archaeological Complex (BMAC) dated from 2400-1600 BCE.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonur_Depe


The last date of Gonur Tepe... 1600BC.. and Yaz-culture starts roughly 1500BC... . I think everyone knows what happened :)

Helves
10-17-2020, 04:48 PM
Gonur Tepe was the main city of BMAC.

English Wikipedia:
Gonur Depe (Turkmen: Goňur depe) is an archaeological site located about 60 km north of Mary (ancient Merv), Turkmenistan consisting of a large early Bronze Age settlement. It is the "capital" or major settlement of the Bactria–Margiana Archaeological Complex (BMAC) dated from 2400-1600 BCE.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonur_Depe


The last date of Gonur Tepe... 1600BC.. and Yaz-culture starts roughly 1500BC... . I think everyone knows what happened :)

Interesting that the Mitannis predate the Yaz-culture, I suspect they were fully Andronovo-like without any BMAC when they arrived in the Mideast.

Kulin
10-17-2020, 06:35 PM
Interesting that the Mitannis predate the Yaz-culture, I suspect they were fully Andronovo-like without any BMAC when they arrived in the Mideast.

The Alalakh outliers who are thought to be remants/descendants of the Mitanni were found to have substantial BMAC ancestry (https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?20507-Thread-for-the-Israel-Megiddo-outlier).

https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2020/05/an-early-mitanni.html

Helves
10-17-2020, 06:48 PM
The Alalakh outliers who are thought to be remants/descendants of the Mitanni were found to have substantial BMAC ancestry (https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?20507-Thread-for-the-Israel-Megiddo-outlier).

https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2020/05/an-early-mitanni.html

It's one female outlier I believe, not outliers. From what I can find on Alalakh and her burial it doesn't seem to indicate of being a Mitanni.

Mithra 𐎷𐎰𐎼
10-18-2020, 09:54 AM
Interesting that the Mitannis predate the Yaz-culture, I suspect they were fully Andronovo-like without any BMAC when they arrived in the Mideast.

It's roughly the same time, isn't it ? Until we don't have any good samples no one will know. Don't forget that Mitanni only had an Elite that was of Indo-Iranian (Indo-Aryan?) origin, the vast majority spoke Hurrian.

Buxoro
10-18-2020, 04:11 PM
It's one female outlier I believe, not outliers. From what I can find on Alalakh and her burial it doesn't seem to indicate of being a Mitanni.

Agree I wouldn’t count female outlier samples - most of them are probably kept for sexual purposes from defeated tribes.

Kulin
10-18-2020, 05:35 PM
It's one female outlier I believe, not outliers. From what I can find on Alalakh and her burial it doesn't seem to indicate of being a Mitanni.

Well, the mtdna is straight from the steppe, and she has BMAC mixture. The only other possibility is some kind of Iranian.

Helves
10-18-2020, 08:45 PM
Well, the mtdna is straight from the steppe, and she has BMAC mixture. The only other possibility is some kind of Iranian.

You're right her mtdna looks strikingly Steppe derived and she does have some Steppe admixture. But like Buxoro said we can't make any conclusions based on female samples, especially not when it's just one sample among many.