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Scarlet Ibis
08-05-2012, 02:56 AM
Project Description

Dr. Doug McDonald's Biogeographical Ancestry (BGA) Project is focused on auDNA and has been quite popular in the genealogy world for a good few years. It was one of the most informative means of exploring one's recent ancestry before the "Genome Blogger" era started roughly three years ago. As with the others, his aim is to shed light on the genetic structure of world populations while simultaneously providing a free informative service to enthusiasts.

Dr. McDonald receives data from personal genetics customers (zipped format) who have tested with 23andMe and runs their results through his "in-house" software. He uses the HGDP populations and his own private database as references.

Participants in his project receive a chromosome painting with ADMIXTURE-like component breakdowns, charts displaying their genetic position and numerical data showing their "proportional fit" with his references.

Please contact an administrator for Dr. McDonald's email address.





Mine:


Most likely fit is 47.9% (+- 0.0%) Europe (all Western Europe)
and 52.1% (+- 0.0%) E. Asia (all Mongolian/Siberian)

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
Irish= 0.479 Mongolia= 0.521

I would not take those exact populations as really true, but
it very clearly is 50-50 far western Europe and northern East Asia
but not really Siberia.

The American on the chromosomes is probably not real.

The overall fit quality is abysmal, and I could not do better by hand.
This likely means that one or the other component is some unusual
group I do not have as comparison.

Doug McDonald



http://oi46.tinypic.com/3329v1t.jpg
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My Mom's:

http://oi47.tinypic.com/9lesk5.jpg
http://oi48.tinypic.com/c3vuw.jpg


My Dad's:

http://oi47.tinypic.com/2e3cpj4.jpg
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http://oi48.tinypic.com/n6qi3a.jpg

DavidCar
08-19-2012, 11:25 PM
I'm trying to understand more about Dr. McDonald's project, as I have some 23andme data that could be analyzed. A Google search sends me to an ISOGG page which only contains links to two now inaccessible discussion threads on DNA Forums. (http://www.isogg.org/wiki/McDonald%27s_BGA_project). It might be useful if another description of the project was posted here.

DMXX
08-20-2012, 01:25 AM
DavidCar,

Please re-check the first post - Scarlet Ibis has inserted a quick description of McDonald's BGA and participation.



On the new test you appear as almost pure Iranian, with just a little
(3-10%) of something more northerly ... anything from Ireland to Siberia
fits reasonably well. This means that you are just a bit from
more northerly regions than central Iran, if unmixed. Of course,
this is not exact ... the average error is a couple of hundred miles
inside Europe; in the Mideast I'd expect it to be Iran or
very close to it.



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Artemis
08-22-2012, 07:49 AM
Hmm I never received the chromosome painting but then again the last time I sent anything in for testing was a very long time ago. (June 2011 to be exact). Should I resend?

DMXX
08-22-2012, 01:59 PM
Hmm I never received the chromosome painting but then again the last time I sent anything in for testing was a very long time ago. (June 2011 to be exact). Should I resend?

I would say it's a good idea. As elaborated here (http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?147-Resolve-Your-Segments), McD's Painting gives you a decent "low-fi" place to start off from when identifying segments which deviate from the main contingent of your genetic make-up. In my case, it's the "East Asian" segments.

Dr. McDonald's BGA can be treated as a K=6 ADMIXTURE run; one step up from 23andMe's Ancestry Painting, but not as specific as the genome blogger efforts.

Seabass
08-23-2012, 12:46 AM
The automatic program is not doing that great, saying you
are 50% Jewish, which does not fit the special Jewish test.

So I did special tests and get

French 0.6322 Jewish 0.0922 Armenian 0.2756 or
Tuscan 0.2735 Romania 0.6421 Jewish 0.0844 or
Italian 0.2005 Romania 0.6966 Jewish 0.1028 or
Tuscan 0.4831 Hungary 0.3716 Armenian 0.1453 or
Spain 0.4001 Hungary 0.3146 Armenian 0.2853 or
Tuscan 0.2445 Romania 0.6829 Armenian 0.0725 or
French 0.6147 Jewish 0.1098 Georgian 0.1275 Cypriot 0.1479

I’m just not sure ... it clearly is some sort of Mideast mix with France or Italy or
possibly Spain. But the actual amount of real Jewish is in doubt,
as is the presence of something from the Caucasus. There could be
something like say Serbian.

Doug McDonald

LOL I'm doing his head in! I fear his tests could prove to be very bad for say an adopted person of mixed ancestry, though fortunately I'm not in this boat and can make sense of these results. Its a good idea to follow some gedmatch oracle results before sending him your data. While I think his scripted program is unique in its own merit and has a lot of potential, I think he is cutting himself short a little by not updating his population sample database.

Spark
08-23-2012, 12:54 AM
LOL I'm doing his head in! I fear his tests could prove to be very bad for say an adopted person of mixed ancestry, though fortunately I'm not in this boat and can make sense of these results. Its a good idea to follow some gedmatch oracle results before sending him your data. While I think his scripted program is unique in its own merit and has a lot of potential, I think he is cutting himself short a little by not updating his population sample database.

Seabass, what is your actual ancestry and how did McDonald's analysis deviate from what you would have expected? I know he's not perfect and some ancestries and ethnicities are dicey, but he tries.

Seabass
08-23-2012, 01:14 AM
Seabass, what is your actual ancestry and how did McDonald's analysis deviate from what you would have expected? I know he's not perfect and some ancestries and ethnicities are dicey, but he tries.

Don't get me wrong, I do appreciate and enjoy his analyses along with how quick his response is. To be honest I did see these results coming, though if he had more reference populations the results would not be genealogically inaccurate as they are. Here is what he gave me a year ago. These are probably the same results he got that he wasn't happy with hence he tried some 'special tests' since he did not think I could be split in two using his reference populations.


Most likely fit is 59.2% (+- 9.5%) Europe (all Western Europe)
and 40.8% (+- 9.5%) Mideast (various subcontinents)

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
English= 0.421 Jewish= 0.579
French= 0.654 Armenian= 0.346
French= 0.692 Druze= 0.308
French= 0.514 Jewish= 0.486
English= 0.608 Druze= 0.392
Spain= 0.662 Georgian= 0.338

However, a look at the PCA "scatter" plot with the Jews at the top
says you are not half-Jewish (which would have you half
way between the Jews and England/France) so the other
possibilites are more likely.

Doug McDonald

Seabass
08-24-2012, 01:03 AM
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apophis99942
08-24-2012, 07:17 AM
Most likely fit is 45.3% (+- 2.3%) Africa (all West African)
and 18.2% (+- 1.5%) Africa (all East African)
which is 63.6% total Africa
and 26.2% (+- 1.1%) Europe (all Northeast Europe)
and 10.3% (+- 0.5%) E. Asia (various subcontinents)

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
Mandenka= 0.435 Maasai= 0.195 Russian= 0.273 Japanese= 0.097 or
Mandenka= 0.436 Maasai= 0.193 Russian= 0.266 Tu= 0.105 or
Mandenka= 0.434 Maasai= 0.196 Russian= 0.271 North Ha= 0.098 or
Mandenka= 0.489 O-Ethiop= 0.161 Finland= 0.249 Japanese= 0.102 or
Mandenka= 0.489 O-Ethiop= 0.159 Finland= 0.241 Tu= 0.110 or
Mandenka= 0.443 Maasai= 0.186 Finland= 0.261 Tu= 0.111 or
Mandenka= 0.442 Maasai= 0.188 Finland= 0.268 Japanese= 0.102 or
Mandenka= 0.436 Maasai= 0.194 Russian= 0.275 South Ha= 0.094 or
Mandenka= 0.488 O-Ethiop= 0.162 Finland= 0.247 North Ha= 0.103 or
Mandenka= 0.441 Maasai= 0.189 Finland= 0.266 North Ha= 0.104

Yorkie
08-27-2012, 12:13 AM
My McDonald results reflect a predominantly Danelaw-derived, English ancestry [largely Yorkshire, East Anglia], with some east Cheshire and southern English ancestry. Like most English, I have a little ancestry from the 'Celtic Fringe' but this does not appear to show up. Doug McDonald regarded my profile as essentially almost 100% English, matching his Kentish samples very closely. There is a small pull towards northern France which may reflect Norman ancestry, and according to Doug, my position on the scattergram is at the top of where nominal Germans would be.

DavidCar
08-28-2012, 04:20 PM
Most likely fit is 96.6% (+- 4.0%) Europe (all Western Europe)
and 3.4% (+- 4.0%) Europe (various subcontinents)
which is 100% total Europe

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
Spain= 0.176 Irish= 0.824 or
Irish= 0.916 Sardinia= 0.084 or
Basque= 0.120 Irish= 0.880 or
Irish= 0.347 English= 0.653 or
English= 0.910 Finland= 0.090 or
French= 0.291 Irish= 0.709 or
English= 0.934 Russian= 0.066

This looks British/Irish, with a little bit of something else, also European.

CelticGerman
09-08-2012, 10:06 PM
First analysis March 2011: 100% Orcadian (Western Europe), Orcadian 1.000, .... "likely really far -NW European ....". Green dot in Wales.
Second analysis April 2012: 91% (+-7,4%) Europe (all Western Europe) and 9% (+-7,4%) Europe various subcontinents. Green dot east of England in the Northsea.

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SC11
09-09-2012, 09:02 PM
My Ethnicity:
50% Filipino (50% Southeast Asian), 25% Volga German+12.5% Iberian (37.5% European/Middle Eastern), 12.5% Native American (12.5% North American)


Most likely fit is 54.1% (+- 1.1%) E. Asia (all Ethnic E. Asian)
and 5.9% (+- 1.1%) America (various subcontinents)
and 36.7% (+- 0.6%) Europe (all Western Europe)
and 3.3% (+- 0.5%) S. Asia (various subcontinents)

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
Dai= 0.527 Na-Dene= 0.070 French= 0.372 S_India= 0.031
Lahu= 0.545 Na-Dene= 0.057 French= 0.370 S_India= 0.028
Dai= 0.529 Na-Dene= 0.070 French= 0.370 N_India= 0.031
Lahu= 0.550 Maya= 0.050 French= 0.368 S_India= 0.032
Lahu= 0.546 Na-Dene= 0.057 French= 0.368 N_India= 0.028
Dai= 0.528 Na-Dene= 0.073 Spain= 0.352 Pathan= 0.047
Lahu= 0.551 Pima= 0.045 French= 0.371 S_India= 0.032
Lahu= 0.552 Maya= 0.050 French= 0.366 N_India= 0.032
Lahu= 0.552 Columbia= 0.043 French= 0.373 S_India= 0.032
Dai= 0.529 Na-Dene= 0.074 Spain= 0.359 Sindhi= 0.039

This is an unusual result. The above list is just a summary of a much larger one,
in your case. The European could be anywhere in Western Europe. The American
is not well determined. The India is probably not real ... it just comes from the fact that
Southeast Asians often show a bit of that.

The “scatter plots” (except the rotating one) each come from just the part
of the chromosomes for the specifc continent shown on them.

If all your ancestors came from one place, I would guess it to be
the Caribbean. If not ... then you just have to take the “mix” as given above.

Doug McDonald


Clearly the Asian is Southeast Asia. Dai and Lahu are southern Chinese
ethnics ... but Cambodia, Mayalsia, Vietnam, etc., are also possible.

I found it amazing how he said my European is French, since this is right in between Iberian Peninsula and Germany where my European Ancestors are from. He has no Philippines, German or New Mexico Native American samples, so his results are the closest to them. The South/North India is a surprise, but I'm guessing maybe its really Middle Eastern, since it is between Southeast Asia and the Middle East and it gave an average like my European results did? Any comments are appreciated. Dr. McDonald did say on a Relative's results that the Spanish might have Middle Eastern mixed in with it accounting for about 10%, which might make my Middle Eastern result really about 5%-7% when you factor in the South and North India of around 3.5%

Human
09-14-2012, 11:44 AM
My family claims a number of different (Euro)nationalities in its ancestry. In an attempt to improve clarity, I went to my sources, two generations prior for three branches. Here are their results.

Paternal Grandmother
Most likely fit is 70.3% (+- 14.7%) Europe (all Western Europe)
and 29.7% (+- 14.7%) Europe (various subcontinents)
which is 100% total Europe
The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
French= 0.621 Lithuani= 0.379
Spain= 0.438 Lithuani= 0.562
English= 0.726 Belorus= 0.274
Irish= 0.564 Hungary= 0.436
Irish= 0.789 Romania= 0.211
English= 0.810 Lithuani= 0.190
Irish= 0.874 Tuscan= 0.126
English= 0.844 Russian= 0.156
French= 0.523 Belorus= 0.477
English= 0.839 Finland= 0.161

Maternal Grandfather
Most likely fit is 86.5% (+- 4.2%) Europe (all Western Europe)
and 13.5% (+- 4.2%) Mideast (various subcontinents)
The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
Irish= 0.788 Jewish= 0.212
Irish= 0.851 Druze= 0.149
Irish= 0.862 Palestin= 0.138
Irish= 0.824 Cypriot= 0.176
English= 0.867 Adygei= 0.133
English= 0.902 Iranian= 0.098
Irish= 0.835 Armenian= 0.165
English= 0.889 Georgian= 0.111
English= 0.884 Turkish= 0.116
English= 0.945 Mozabite= 0.055

Maternal Grandmother
Most likely fit is 97.9% (+- 0.4%) Europe (all Western Europe)
and 2.1% (+- 0.4%) Africa (various subcontinents)
The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
English= 0.980 Yoruba= 0.020
English= 0.980 Mandenka= 0.020
English= 0.980 Bantu So= 0.020
English= 0.980 Bantu Ke= 0.020
English= 0.982 Biaka Py= 0.018
English= 0.977 Maasai= 0.023
English= 0.973 Ethiopia= 0.027
English= 0.986 Mbuti Py= 0.014
English= 0.985 San= 0.015
English= 0.971 Ethiopia= 0.029

Spark
09-15-2012, 05:44 AM
My family claims a number of different (Euro)nationalities in its ancestry. In an attempt to improve clarity, I went to my sources, two generations prior for three branches. Here are their results.

Paternal Grandmother
Most likely fit is 70.3% (+- 14.7%) Europe (all Western Europe)
and 29.7% (+- 14.7%) Europe (various subcontinents)
which is 100% total Europe
The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
French= 0.621 Lithuani= 0.379
Spain= 0.438 Lithuani= 0.562
English= 0.726 Belorus= 0.274
Irish= 0.564 Hungary= 0.436
Irish= 0.789 Romania= 0.211
English= 0.810 Lithuani= 0.190
Irish= 0.874 Tuscan= 0.126
English= 0.844 Russian= 0.156
French= 0.523 Belorus= 0.477
English= 0.839 Finland= 0.161

This looks entirely European.



Maternal Grandfather
Most likely fit is 86.5% (+- 4.2%) Europe (all Western Europe)
and 13.5% (+- 4.2%) Mideast (various subcontinents)
The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
Irish= 0.788 Jewish= 0.212
Irish= 0.851 Druze= 0.149
Irish= 0.862 Palestin= 0.138
Irish= 0.824 Cypriot= 0.176
English= 0.867 Adygei= 0.133
English= 0.902 Iranian= 0.098
Irish= 0.835 Armenian= 0.165
English= 0.889 Georgian= 0.111
English= 0.884 Turkish= 0.116
English= 0.945 Mozabite= 0.055

Could be a variety of things. Southern European ancestry would make sense as would European with some Jewish ancestry.



Maternal Grandmother
Most likely fit is 97.9% (+- 0.4%) Europe (all Western Europe)
and 2.1% (+- 0.4%) Africa (various subcontinents)
The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
English= 0.980 Yoruba= 0.020
English= 0.980 Mandenka= 0.020
English= 0.980 Bantu So= 0.020
English= 0.980 Bantu Ke= 0.020
English= 0.982 Biaka Py= 0.018
English= 0.977 Maasai= 0.023
English= 0.973 Ethiopia= 0.027
English= 0.986 Mbuti Py= 0.014
English= 0.985 San= 0.015
English= 0.971 Ethiopia= 0.029

So you have potential distant African ancestry in the family, too? Did McDonald provide commentary on these numbers? All of these showings are quite interesting.

Yorkie
09-15-2012, 08:24 AM
I must say that McDonald's BGA analysis seems to be much more accurate than the 'Global Similarity' analysis of 23andMe. This is especially the case with regard to Northern European ancestry. 23andMe's sample groups need urgently updating as they are from 2008. McDonald seems to use more reference populations, and fairly up to date ones, i.e his Kentish samples for the English. I know of several 23andMe customers of predominantly English ancestry who have been quite wrongly assigned to the Irish cluster in 'Global Similarity' by 23andMe. McDonald assigns them correctly to his English cluster.

AppalachianGumbo
09-16-2012, 07:16 PM
McDonald's Chromosome paintings are awesome. The only flaw are for those of us that are racially admixed. His populations results are a little quirky.

SC11
09-16-2012, 08:47 PM
I'm mixed and found his results to be the closest to my actual ethnicities of all the analyses I have taken. The only strange result he gave me was the south asian/indian subcontinent results. I have no ancestry there. I think if I was adopted, I would get a feel of what areas of the world my ancestors came from, but due to the lack of specific samples he has, I would not know the exact countries of origin, other than the Spain

Spark
09-17-2012, 12:59 AM
I'm mixed and found his results to be the closest to my actual ethnicities of all the analyses I have taken. The only strange result he gave me was the south asian/indian subcontinent results. I have no ancestry there. I think if I was adopted, I would get a feel of what areas of the world my ancestors came from, but due to the lack of specific samples he has, I would not know the exact countries of origin, other than the Spain

That's because Southeast Asians have a distant minute genetic affinity with peoples in the Indian Subcontinent. Thankfully, he explained this, but it def. could add to confusion if he did not.

Boudicca
09-17-2012, 06:47 PM
Hi,
Has anyone noticed a change in their results if you have recently sent them to Doug? I resent my Mum's V2 data since the 23andme build upgrade and its different to the results she got before (which correspond to what she got using her FTDNA data). I have emailed Doug, but thought it would be interesting to see if this has happened to other people and if so, how does it now compare to your known ancestry?
Anyone know why a change might occur since the upgrade?

Moog
09-17-2012, 09:06 PM
Hi,
I'm quite new to all this and I sent my data to Doug. It came back 100% English. I am Colonial American and I suppose about a half of my ancestry is English but the rest is German/Austrian. I am confused-why isn't it about 50% English? Can anyone help?

SC11
09-18-2012, 02:38 AM
This question probably has been asked so forgive me. Why does no one have any German samples?

Spark
09-18-2012, 03:08 AM
This question probably has been asked so forgive me. Why does no one have any German samples?

Modern Germans are an ethnic group that has a variety of different intra-European scattering patterns depending on the region. So for the sake of genetic analysis, they range between different nearby coded European genetic populations since there is not one unitary German population to sample, but rather a varied population that has various components in its structure by region. Given the fact that it is in the middle of Europe and that it has served as a major waypoint in population migration and settlement, this makes sense.

CelticGerman
09-18-2012, 05:01 AM
This question probably has been asked so forgive me. Why does no one have any German samples?

Well, I think Doug McDonald has no German samples, but he is able to designate Germany however. In any case, as far as my family is concerned (Germans), my uncle on the paternal side came out as German whereas my uncle on the maternal side came out "Irish or some Scandinavian". My wife is French and clearly placed in France by Doug. Our four children: 1 Northern France, 2 between France and England, 3 South Bavaria, 4 Alsace/Palatinate. The ancestry of my uncle on the paternal side is mixed North German, Hessian, Brandenburg, Thuringia and Palatinate (probably some Swiss/Austrian as well). The other uncle is much more North German/Danish (with som Czech however). I think the fact he is very close to Brits/Irish is due to Anglo-Saxon as well as Scandinavian (Vikings?) migrations. Nevertheless, there were migrations the other way round as well (Scots settled in Mecklenburg for example). May be if we had much more North German samples, Brits would be considered as North Germans.

I don't know if you have uploaded your data on GEDmatch. In admixture tools (MDLP, Eurogenes, DODECAD) you will find Germans as well. In some cases I am considered as Irish or Argyll, in other cases as German or Dutch ... (Dutch/Frisians/Flemings settled in Britain and in Germany ...)

Moog
09-18-2012, 08:22 AM
Is it possible (if you are mixed) that one group will "over dominate" as it were your results and this is why I show as English because my German is probably also considered English and my Austrian has been drowned out?

SC11
09-18-2012, 11:35 AM
Well, I think Doug McDonald has no German samples, but he is able to designate Germany however. In any case, as far as my family is concerned (Germans), my uncle on the paternal side came out as German whereas my uncle on the maternal side came out "Irish or some Scandinavian". My wife is French and clearly placed in France by Doug. Our four children: 1 Northern France, 2 between France and England, 3 South Bavaria, 4 Alsace/Palatinate. The ancestry of my uncle on the paternal side is mixed North German, Hessian, Brandenburg, Thuringia and Palatinate (probably some Swiss/Austrian as well). The other uncle is much more North German/Danish (with som Czech however). I think the fact he is very close to Brits/Irish is due to Anglo-Saxon as well as Scandinavian (Vikings?) migrations. Nevertheless, there were migrations the other way round as well (Scots settled in Mecklenburg for example). May be if we had much more North German samples, Brits would be considered as North Germans.

I don't know if you have uploaded your data on GEDmatch. In admixture tools (MDLP, Eurogenes, DODECAD) you will find Germans as well. In some cases I am considered as Irish or Argyll, in other cases as German or Dutch ... (Dutch/Frisians/Flemings settled in Britain and in Germany ...)

My German Ancestry is from Hesse and Baden. Maybe that is why he said I was french, in addition to it being an average of Spain and Germany. In any case, his results are interesting. Thank you to you and Spark's input

Little bit
09-18-2012, 12:59 PM
Moog said:

Hi,
I'm quite new to all this and I sent my data to Doug. It came back 100% English. I am Colonial American and I suppose about a half of my ancestry is English but the rest is German/Austrian. I am confused-why isn't it about 50% English? Can anyone help?

My mom is American with 1 Irish grandparent, 1 German grandparent, 1 English grandparent, and 1 American Colonial grandparent and she came out 100% English too. My daughter is even more mixed w/German, Irish, English, and even 1/4 Polish and she got 100% English as well. I see it as an "artifact" situation such that the genetics of the contributing ancestries combine to resemble English which is basically Anglo-Saxon w/some Irish. Here's my mom's results:

http://i953.photobucket.com/albums/ae20/LB234/th_Screenshot2011-05-17at20028PM.png (http://s953.photobucket.com/albums/ae20/LB234/?action=view&current=Screenshot2011-05-17at20028PM.png)

http://i953.photobucket.com/albums/ae20/LB234/th_Screenshot2011-05-17at20009PM.png (http://s953.photobucket.com/albums/ae20/LB234/?action=view&current=Screenshot2011-05-17at20009PM.png)

http://i953.photobucket.com/albums/ae20/LB234/th_Screenshot2011-05-17at15925PM.png (http://s953.photobucket.com/albums/ae20/LB234/?action=view&current=Screenshot2011-05-17at15925PM.png)

I have the older type Dr. McDonald results and my spot on the map turned up as Belgium with some sort of Lithuanian/Irish subtractions. Again, just artifacts, as I have no actual Lithuanian or Belgium. Interestingly, when I compare MDLP World-22 amongst us, my mom and daughter both come up with German as their #1 single population and I get CEU. I think it's my low Near East that pulls me away from English as Dr. McDonald always gave me very low Mideast too. Notice my Near East is most comparable to my Polish mother-in-law, who got German from Dr. McDonald (I'm "Mom" and my daughter is "Kid 2"):
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqARKoDx3EVHdF83Uy1ISkk3MlUxV3JacHI0RnhIN 2c#gid=0

Yorkie
09-18-2012, 06:21 PM
Well, I think Doug McDonald has no German samples, but he is able to designate Germany however. In any case, as far as my family is concerned (Germans), my uncle on the paternal side came out as German whereas my uncle on the maternal side came out "Irish or some Scandinavian". My wife is French and clearly placed in France by Doug. Our four children: 1 Northern France, 2 between France and England, 3 South Bavaria, 4 Alsace/Palatinate. The ancestry of my uncle on the paternal side is mixed North German, Hessian, Brandenburg, Thuringia and Palatinate (probably some Swiss/Austrian as well). The other uncle is much more North German/Danish (with som Czech however). I think the fact he is very close to Brits/Irish is due to Anglo-Saxon as well as Scandinavian (Vikings?) migrations. Nevertheless, there were migrations the other way round as well (Scots settled in Mecklenburg for example). May be if we had much more North German samples, Brits would be considered as North Germans.

I don't know if you have uploaded your data on GEDmatch. In admixture tools (MDLP, Eurogenes, DODECAD) you will find Germans as well. In some cases I am considered as Irish or Argyll, in other cases as German or Dutch ... (Dutch/Frisians/Flemings settled in Britain and in Germany ...)

CelticGerman,
It is true that McDonald doesn't show Germany on his scattergram but I am English [largely from Danelaw areas] and according to him I plot 'just above where nominal Germans would be'. I attach my results again. On Dodecad, Eurogenes, MDLP etc I am very close to Germans and Dutch too. This likely reflects the Germanic aspects of my largely eastern English ancestry.

Moog
09-18-2012, 08:21 PM
Thanks Littlebit, I'm glad it's not just me!

AppalachianGumbo
09-21-2012, 11:20 PM
I'm mixed and found his results to be the closest to my actual ethnicities of all the analyses I have taken. The only strange result he gave me was the south asian/indian subcontinent results. I have no ancestry there. I think if I was adopted, I would get a feel of what areas of the world my ancestors came from, but due to the lack of specific samples he has, I would not know the exact countries of origin, other than the Spain

I'm not sure of your Amerindian ancestry, but some of us from the Southeast, especially Cherokee, pull in this South Asian with no actual So Asian on the chromosomes. He said his South Asian can sometimes be an adjusting factor. Doug had told for my father and myself, it's (South Asian population) adjusting for Native American. South Asian can be real, or not. It depends.

SC11
09-22-2012, 02:44 AM
I'm not sure of your Amerindian ancestry, but some of us from the Southeast, especially Cherokee, pull in this South Asian with no actual So Asian on the chromosomes. He said his South Asian can sometimes be an adjusting factor. Doug had told for my father and myself, it's (South Asian population) adjusting for Native American. South Asian can be real, or not. It depends.

Thanks for your input Appalachian. I am Zuni with possible other admixture. If this is the case, it would make sense. I always thought my Native admixture percentage should be higher than reported by ftdna. Being that I am also Asian, I figured it might be a factor in the lower than expected percentage, but your input makes me wonder about this possibility

J Man
09-25-2012, 07:07 PM
I still think that Dr. McDonald does a great job in his analysis. I find my own results to be quite informative and interesting. Given my complex mixed European background I think my results make sense. I am of Italian, Finnish and Irish/British Isles ancestral background.

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Xolotl
10-04-2012, 04:56 AM
I'm not sure of your Amerindian ancestry, but some of us from the Southeast, especially Cherokee, pull in this South Asian with no actual So Asian on the chromosomes. He said his South Asian can sometimes be an adjusting factor. Doug had told for my father and myself, it's (South Asian population) adjusting for Native American. South Asian can be real, or not. It depends.

Hello multi!

Yorkie
10-11-2012, 08:48 PM
Just discovered some fairly recent Norwegian ancestry which might well boost my 'Danelaw' English ancestry to place me near where nominal Swedes and Germans would be on Doug's scattergram.

Scarlet Ibis
10-13-2012, 12:35 AM
Just discovered some fairly recent Norwegian ancestry which might well boost my 'Danelaw' English ancestry to place me near where nominal Swedes and Germans would be on Doug's scattergram.

How far back is it?

Yorkie
10-14-2012, 06:51 AM
23andMe team say it is recent. I think it is within 5 generations matching a full-ancestry Norwegian [there are other matches to partly-Norwegian people]. My 'cousin' was as unaware of the situation as I was. She does not rule out emigration to the UK of a Norwegian ancestor in recent times. In my case, maybe this comes from a line of my father's that I haven't yet researched thoroughly, or from a connection to Whitby in north Yorkshire on my mother's side. In the latter case, Whitby was once a Whaling port and I wonder if the Norway connection is via this sea link? At any rate, I share a decent chunk of aDNA with a 28 year old, fully Norwegian female [a wife, mother and sub-sea engineer] from the western coast.

Manakel
12-09-2012, 07:04 PM
Just got my results from Dr. McDonald. Was curious to know if the tiny segment of African on my chromosome segment painting was from relatively recent history IE the past few hundred years or from the original migration out of Africa?

SC11
12-10-2012, 01:25 AM
Just got my results from Dr. McDonald. Was curious to know if the tiny segment of African on my chromosome segment painting was from relatively recent history IE the past few hundred years or from the original migration out of Africa?

I would imagine that if it were from the original migration out of Africa, every person tested would show it. My guess it's noise or it's within the past few hundred years, but I could be wrong

Manakel
12-11-2012, 02:23 AM
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Yea I figured the same. I don't think it's noise though my 23 and me results show the same sub-saharan markers in the same spots. I'm American with Spanish and Italian ancestry. All three are known to have a slave trade so it's a possibility.

PureEvil
01-04-2013, 08:06 AM
First post here :)
My Results:

this tests

genome_White__Full_20120402222844.txt
Most likely fit is 51.9% (+- 8.9%) Europe (all Western Europe)
and 48.1% (+- 8.9%) Europe (all Northeast Europe)
which is 100% total Europe

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
Spain= 0.431 Lithuani= 0.569 or
French= 0.608 Lithuani= 0.392

but that is almost surely saying that it is German, or nearby.
The non-Euro spots on the chromosomes are likely noise.

Doug McDonald

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powervr
01-04-2013, 10:18 AM
http://www.anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=290&d=1356405577


Most likely fit is 91.4% (+- 2.1%) Europe (all Western Europe)
and 8.6% (+- 2.1%) Mideast (all North Africa)



The following are possible population sets and their fractions,

most likely at the top

Spain= 0.909 Moroccan= 0.091 or

Spain= 0.892 Egyptian= 0.108 or

Spain= 0.942 Mozabite= 0.058



which is very typical Iberian. The North African is very clear.
I see no trace of South Asian on the autosomes, but there is a large
block on the X. However, such block on the X are not as reliable as

the rest of my analysis.
Doug McDonald

NK19191
01-16-2013, 04:21 PM
My (nk191919) Dr. McDonald Results:


Most likely fit is 93.6% (+- 1.6%) Mideast (all Iran)
and 4.5% (+- 1.2%) Europe (various subcontinents)
and 1.8% (+- 0.6%) S. Asia (various subcontinents)

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
Iranian= 0.944 Sardinia= 0.038 N_India= 0.017 or
Iranian= 0.948 Sardinia= 0.038 S_India= 0.014 or
Iranian= 0.918 Tuscan= 0.063 S_India= 0.019 or
Iranian= 0.934 Sardinia= 0.041 Sindhi= 0.025 or
Iranian= 0.917 Tuscan= 0.062 N_India= 0.021 or
Iranian= 0.955 Basque= 0.035 S_India= 0.010 or
Iranian= 0.954 Basque= 0.035 N_India= 0.010 or
Iranian= 0.932 Sardinia= 0.040 Pathan= 0.028 or
Iranian= 0.952 Basque= 0.036 Sindhi= 0.012 or
Iranian= 0.909 Tuscan= 0.064 Sindhi= 0.027



http://www.anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=324&d=1358352777


http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s632/nk191919/David_Bayat_Full_20121228055722BGA3_zps77feb65b.pn g


http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s632/nk191919/David_Bayat_Full_20121228055722BGA2_zpsa415b9e6.pn g

NK19191
01-16-2013, 04:25 PM
@Humata

It looks like i have some more South Asian than you do. Hence a I am little more South Asian Shifted. Is that the right Assumption? Your thoughts?

DMXX
01-16-2013, 05:22 PM
@Humata

It looks like i have some more South Asian than you do. Hence a I am little more South Asian Shifted. Is that the right Assumption? Your thoughts?

There is another Iranian on 23andMe whose ancestry is also (partially) Khorasani. In every project she has participated in, I've noticed her South Asian scores are persistently higher than others by a fair few percent. Additionally, in the genome sharing, her affinity to south Indian populations is as elevated as it is with other South Asians. Your results support this (increased S. Asian autosomal DNA in east Iran) to an extent.

However, I don't think your greater South Asian score is responsible for your more "southern" shift in the Iranian cluster relative to me. You will note South Asia sits on the LHS, not at the bottom. That would explain a left-handed shift on your position if there is one, which there doesn't appear to be.

Biloo
01-19-2013, 01:29 AM
Most likely fit is 31.4% (+- 0.5%) Europe (all Southern Europe)
and 3.5% (+- 0.4%) E. Asia (various subcontinents)
and 65.1% (+- 0.1%) Mideast (all North Africa)

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
Tuscan= 0.316 Yakut= 0.034 Moroccan= 0.650
Tuscan= 0.315 Buryat= 0.035 Moroccan= 0.650
Tuscan= 0.312 MongolaC= 0.037 Moroccan= 0.651
Tuscan= 0.307 Altai= 0.040 Moroccan= 0.652

http://i1090.photobucket.com/albums/i372/nabil1078/genome_Mahdi_Hanni_Full_20110620112448txt_BGA_1_zp s3f1d2278.png

http://i1090.photobucket.com/albums/i372/nabil1078/Me_Map_BGA_zpsc4e1df88.jpg

DMXX
01-19-2013, 04:51 PM
^ Very interesting! Does McDonald's BGA agree with your known ancestry?

Biloo
01-20-2013, 04:39 AM
^ Very interesting! Does McDonald's BGA agree with your known ancestry?

Yes it does. I'm algerian with berber and turkic ancestry

Veridicus
01-24-2013, 06:50 PM
Here are my 23&Me Results: I am so itching to find the source of this Jewish component since I have no known Jewish ancestors. :\

Most likely fit is 53.9% (+- 7.3%) Europe (all Western Europe) and 26.1% (+- 4.4%) Europe (all Northeast Europe) which is 80.0% total Europe and 18.8% (+- 4.0%) Mideast (various subcontinents) and 1.3% (+- 0.8%) S. Asia (various subcontinents)

The following are possible population sets and their fractions, most likely at the top

English= 0.466 Lithuani= 0.284 Jewish= 0.226 Sindhi= 0.023 or
English= 0.470 Lithuani= 0.279 Jewish= 0.224 Pathan= 0.027 or
English= 0.448 Lithuani= 0.297 Jewish= 0.239 N_India= 0.016 or
English= 0.443 Lithuani= 0.302 Jewish= 0.243 S_India= 0.012 or
English= 0.608 Lithuani= 0.221 Armenian= 0.164 N_India= 0.007 or
English= 0.606 Lithuani= 0.222 Armenian= 0.165 S_India= 0.006 or
English= 0.612 Lithuani= 0.218 Armenian= 0.163 Sindhi= 0.007 or
English= 0.612 Lithuani= 0.217 Armenian= 0.163 Pathan= 0.008 or
English= 0.607 Lithuani= 0.223 Armenian= 0.170 Hazara= 0.000 or
French= 0.516 Lithuani= 0.347 Armenian= 0.117 N_India= 0.020

This is probably in fact ¾ German and the rest Jewish. But there could in fact be other northern or western European in there plus the Jewish.

geebee
01-25-2013, 04:07 AM
Here are my 23&Me Results: I am so itching to find the source of this Jewish component since I have no known Jewish ancestors. :\


Although I have great respect for Dr. McDonald, until I had some additional supporting evidence I would take the Jewish ancestry with a grain of salt. Using 23andMe's "Ancestry Finder" with a minimum segment size of 5 cM and "Include matches primarily from US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand & South Africa" and "Indicate segments declared to be of Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry" selected, my "Percent of Genome Covered" is 25.5% to 25.9%. Only 0-0.7% is "Declared Ashkenazi Jewish". In fact, this appears to be in the form of just four matching segments, and in each case the segment is marked to indicate only one Ashkenazi grandparent.

By contrast, 23andMe's "Ancestry Composition" (Standard Estimate, sub-regional resolution) shows 96.6% European, 1.8% East Asian and Native American, and 1.6% unassigned. Breaking it down a little, the European is mostly northern -- 61.2% nonspecific, 9.4% British and Irish, and 0.3% Finnish. There's also another 0.1% Iberian, 1.9% nonspecific southern European, 1.4% Native American, and 0.4% nonspecific Native American and East Asian.

I won't detail here what is shown in the Speculative Estimate, although I think that's actually the one that best matches my paper trail ancestry. This would be roughly 60% German, Swiss, and Dutch; 25% Scottish, Scots-Irish, and (minimally) Irish; and 12.5% Spanish. The tiny remainder is from a very -- shall we say, "intertwined" -- part of my maternal grandmother's family tree and includes French and Choctaw.

The point is, I don't believe Dr. McDonald's estimate of "Jewish" admixture is always truly Jewish. In some cases, I think it merely indicates some sort of southern European ancestry.

Scarlet Ibis
01-25-2013, 05:14 AM
I heard McDonald revised his program last month. Has anyone gotten any updated results, or seen any changes?

Veridicus
01-25-2013, 08:55 PM
Although I have great respect for Dr. McDonald, until I had some additional supporting evidence I would take the Jewish ancestry with a grain of salt. Using 23andMe's "Ancestry Finder" with a minimum segment size of 5 cM and "Include matches primarily from US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand & South Africa" and "Indicate segments declared to be of Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry" selected, my "Percent of Genome Covered" is 25.5% to 25.9%. Only 0-0.7% is "Declared Ashkenazi Jewish". In fact, this appears to be in the form of just four matching segments, and in each case the segment is marked to indicate only one Ashkenazi grandparent.

I am trying to track it down - my Ancestry Comp. was 7.1% AJ and with the Ancestry Finder setting on 4 grandparents I have at least a dozen matches many over 10cM. So the fact that McDonald saw this as well and then said that his 23% Ashkenazi Jewish was most likely 3/4 German and the rest Jewish fits closely the 7.1% result fron 23&Me and my recent German ancestors (my paternal 2nd great grandmother and my maternal great grandmother were German). So I am wondering if they were hidding it or did not know or something else - just hope I can track it down and confirm it.

SC11
01-25-2013, 10:58 PM
I heard McDonald revised his program last month. Has anyone gotten any updated results, or seen any changes?

Do you know what kind of changes he made?

Scarlet Ibis
01-26-2013, 02:10 AM
Do you know what kind of changes he made?

Nope, not at all, unfortunately. Maybe he updated his reference populations? Not sure.

I've seen some people posting their new results throughout the internet. Some of them got different results, but then some of them got pretty much the same results.

geebee
01-26-2013, 06:32 AM
I am trying to track it down - my Ancestry Comp. was 7.1% AJ and with the Ancestry Finder setting on 4 grandparents I have at least a dozen matches many over 10cM. So the fact that McDonald saw this as well and then said that his 23% Ashkenazi Jewish was most likely 3/4 German and the rest Jewish fits closely the 7.1% result fron 23&Me and my recent German ancestors (my paternal 2nd great grandmother and my maternal great grandmother were German). So I am wondering if they were hidding it or did not know or something else - just hope I can track it down and confirm it.

Yours seems more likely than mine, based on the other info. Good luck in your sleuthing. :)

EDIT: By the way, I think the "all 4 grandparents" setting only applies to the country of origin. I used that setting, but for each shared "AJ" segment, only one of the four smaller bars -- indicative of a single grandparent -- was shown as AJ. No way of telling whether the segment was passed down from that grandparent, or from one of the other three.

Biloo
01-26-2013, 04:49 PM
Here are my updated results


The computer says automatically
Most likely fit is
31.4% (+- 0.5%) Europe (all Southern Europe)
3.5% (+- 0.4%) E. Asia (various subcontinents)
65.1% (+- 0.1%) Mideast (all North Africa)

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
Tuscan= 0.316 Yakut= 0.034 Moroccan= 0.650
Tuscan= 0.315 Buryat= 0.035 Moroccan= 0.650
Tuscan= 0.312 Mongolia= 0.037 Moroccan= 0.651
Tuscan= 0.307 Altai= 0.040 Moroccan= 0.652

A hand fit gives
Tuscan=0.233 Mozabite=0.071 Moroccan=0.572 Turkish=0.086 Hazara=0.038
Romania=0.140 Mozabite=0.068 Moroccan=0.563 Cypriot=0.194 Altai=0.035

which again actually sounds reasonable

PureEvil
01-26-2013, 08:53 PM
Here are my updated results:
Most likely fit is 73.4% (+- 17.9%) Europe (all Western Europe)
and 26.6% (+- 17.9%) Europe (various subcontinents)
which is 100% total Europe

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
Spain= 0.464 Lithuani= 0.536 or
French= 0.647 Lithuani= 0.353 or
Irish= 0.862 Tuscan= 0.138 or
French= 0.282 Irish= 0.718 or
Irish= 0.532 Hungary= 0.468 or
Irish= 0.783 Romania= 0.217 or
Irish= 0.849 Italian= 0.151

This is British with some Continental European and 0.3% African.
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Boudicca
01-27-2013, 07:12 PM
The point is, I don't believe Dr. McDonald's estimate of "Jewish" admixture is always truly Jewish. In some cases, I think it merely indicates some sort of southern European ancestry.

Does anyone have experience of his test showing African segments and them being real in those of mainly Northern European ancestry?

Hanna
02-13-2013, 06:43 PM
I heard McDonald revised his program last month. Has anyone gotten any updated results, or seen any changes?

Updated:

Most likely fit is 92.6% (+- 0.6%) Mideast (all Caucasus Area)
and 7.4% (+- 0.6%) E. Asia (various subcontinents)

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
Armenian= 0.933 Yakut= 0.067 or
Armenian= 0.917 Altai= 0.083 or
Armenian= 0.930 Buryat= 0.070 or
Armenian= 0.923 MongolaC= 0.077

Second most likely fit is 88.8% (+- 0.0%) Mideast (all Caucasus Area)
and 11.2% (+- 0.0%) S. Asia (all Central Asia)

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
Armenian= 0.888 Hazara= 0.112 or
Armenian= 0.888 Uygur= 0.112

http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/8383/orangepulpfull201203260.png
http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/8383/orangepulpfull201203260.png
http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/6199/genomeorangepulpfull201.png

It also tests, with a passable but not so good fit, as plain Turkish. It is clearly from the Caucasus area, just not exactly one of our three comparison populations from there (Armenian, Georgian, Adygei).

Doug McDonald

Ian B
03-24-2013, 05:36 AM
@Biloo:
"The computer says automatically
Most likely fit is
31.4% (+- 0.5%) Europe (all Southern Europe)
3.5% (+- 0.4%) E. Asia (various subcontinents)
65.1% (+- 0.1%) Mideast (all North Africa) "

What program did you use to obtain these results please?

Telfermagne
04-02-2013, 12:55 AM
McDonald wasn't too far off with the results he gave me, they make sense given that he's only presenting a two way mix. 53.2% English and 46.8% French matches best out of the figures listed. My actual mix is approx. 50% English (Yorkshire, Northumberland, Suffolk, Hampshire. Most recent), 25% other Islander (via Ulster, Isle of Man, and Wales. Moderately recent), 25% Continental (moderately recent: Rhineland-Pfalz & Baden-Württemberg, most were former Mennonites but some were mixed with the Ashkenazim, distant: Sweden & Iberia).

Most likely fit is 87.5% (+- 11.1%) Europe (all Western Europe) and 12.5% (+- 11.1%) Europe (various subcontinents) which is 100% total Europe.

The following are possible population sets and their fractions, most likely at the top

French= 0.468 English= 0.532 or
French= 0.701 Irish= 0.299 or
French= 0.856 Lithuani= 0.144 or
English= 0.855 Tuscan= 0.145 or
English= 0.822 Italian= 0.178 or
Spain= 0.164 English= 0.836 or
French= 0.877 Finland= 0.123 or
French= 0.830 Belarus= 0.170 or
Irish= 0.633 Italian= 0.367

http://i1161.photobucket.com/albums/q506/sar1227/Seth_Reeder_Full_20130209085122BGA4_zps425d9e0c.pn g
http://i1161.photobucket.com/albums/q506/sar1227/Seth_Reeder_Full_20130209085122BGA3_zpseaf7e35b.pn g

RGM
04-11-2013, 07:23 AM
So my results are a little different from most I've seen:


Most likely fit is 100% Irish (Western Europe)
which is 100% total Europe
The location error = 0.006111 with 1 group

The following are possible populations,
most likely at the top:

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
Irish= 1.000

http://i.imgur.com/OubnOIL.png

N21163
04-22-2013, 02:21 AM
[QUOTE=RGM;5000]So my results are a little different from most I've seen:

Can't say that I've seen many autosomal admixtures where there is little to no mixing...very interesting!
Was this what you expected? Or were there some family stories that are now likely dis-proven because of your results?

I ask because I had heard family lore of Romani (Gypsy) heritage in my family...or that there was "something other than British and Irish" in the mix...

Turned out to be true!

Dr. McDonald results:

Most likely fit is 90.8% (+- 2.9%) Europe (all Western Europe) and 5.3% (+- 3.0%) Europe (various subcontinents) which is 96.1% total Europe and 3.9% (+- 0.5%) S. Asia (various subcontinents)

Most likely fit is:
Irish= 0.228 English= 0.733 Sindhi= 0.039

I presume the "Scots" ancestry comes somewhere in the Irish and English populations....he said that my European mix was "either British or British plus a bit (10-15%) of some sort of other northern European."...

My surname is found in Scotland and is meant to have originated in Denmark (so I am told)...I guess we'll find out more as time goes on!

luna
04-22-2013, 05:39 AM
Hello, might anyone know what these results mean?

Most likely fit is 65.2% (+- 10.5%) Europe (various subcontinents) and 34.8% (+- 10.5%) Mideast (various subcontinents)

The following are possible population sets and their fractions, most likely at the top:

English= 0.779 Palestinia= 0.221 or

Poland= 0.559 Jewish= 0.441 or

Germany= 0.758 Palestinia= 0.242 or

English= 0.650 Jewish= 0.350 or

Germany= 0.623 Jewish= 0.377 or

Poland= 0.603 Sephardic= 0.397 or

Irish= 0.583 Jewish= 0.417 or

Lithuania= 0.493 Jewish= 0.507 or

Irish= 0.626 Sephardic= 0.374 or

French= 0.850 Iranian= 0.150
_________________
Second most likely fit is 57.9% (+- 7.7%) Europe (various subcontinents) and 42.1% (+- 7.7%) Europe (all Southern Europe) which is 100% total Europe.

The following are possible population sets and their fractions, most likely at the top:

Poland= 0.534 Sicily= 0.466 or

Lithuania= 0.468 Sicily= 0.532 or

Irish= 0.557 Sicily= 0.443 or

Hungary= 0.729 Sicily= 0.271 or

Belorus= 0.537 Sicily= 0.463 or

Germany= 0.599 Sicily= 0.401 or

English= 0.628 Sicily= 0.372
_______________________________________
given those as the general area, I did a custom fit which gives:


Tuscan 0.4819 Lithuania 0.4095 Palestinian 0.1085 or

Italian 0.4609 Lithuania 0.4008 Palestinian 0.1383 or

Poland 0.4956 Tuscan 0.4025 Palestinian 0.1019 or

Italian 0.3854 Poland 0.4872 Palestinian 0.1274 or

Italian 0.4364 Belorus 0.4486 Palestinian 0.1150 or

Spain 0.4151 Lithuania 0.4121 Palestinian 0.1728 or

Italian 0.4339 Lithuania 0.3930 Armenian 0.1731 or

Tuscan 0.4537 Belorus 0.4584 Palestinian 0.0878 or

Germany 0.4122 Romania 0.4863 Palestinian 0.1015 or

Romania 0.3771 Hungary 0.5459 Palestinian 0.0769 or

Italian 0.3670 Poland 0.4775 Armenian 0.1555 or

English 0.1653 Sicily 0.4723 Lithuania 0.3624

Spain 0.3327 Lithuania 0.4001 Cypriot 0.2672 or

English 0.1671 Sicily 0.4791 Lithuania 0.3538 or

Tuscan 0.5622 Lithuania 0.3874 Moroccan 0.0504 or

Sicily 0.3921 Spain 0.2160 Lithuania 0.3918 or

Spain 0.3946 Lithuania 0.3853 Armenian 0.2201 or

Poland 0.4727 Tuscan 0.4738 Moroccan 0.0535 or

French 0.1955 Sicily 0.4427 Lithuania 0.3618 or

Irish 0.1398 Sicily 0.5068 Lithuania 0.3534 or

Germany 0.2482 Sicily 0.4704 Lithuania 0.2814 or

English 0.2789 Lithuania 0.3481 Cypriot 0.3730 or

Poland 0.4859 Spain 0.2659 Cypriot 0.2482 or

Poland 0.4780 Sicily 0.3691 Spain 0.1528 or

English 0.1170 Poland 0.4463 Sicily 0.4367 or

French 0.3222 Lithuania 0.3556 Cypriot 0.3222 or

Italian 0.2391 Sicily 0.3660 Lithuania 0.3949 or

Tuscan 0.5761 Lithuania 0.3846 Mozabite 0.0394 or

French 0.1299 Poland 0.4566 Sicily 0.4134 or

Irish 0.0931 Poland 0.4500 Sicily 0.4570

http://img542.imageshack.us/img542/4329/61312987.png

N21163
04-22-2013, 08:55 PM
Do you have Italian or Jewish heritage? or any kind of European-Middle East mix that you are aware of?

luna
04-23-2013, 02:24 AM
This was my father's result. He has German and Lithuanian ancestry, as far as we know. But there's a few mysteries about his family and we don't know his extensive ancestry..

AJL
04-23-2013, 05:21 AM
luna: If his kit is at 23andme, use Ancestry Finder at the the 5 cM threshold checking for the box to include colonies, and then check the Show Ashkenazi box. If at Family Finder, how many cousins does he have?

luna
04-23-2013, 06:05 AM
Based on that, about 4.

AJL
04-23-2013, 05:27 PM
Hm, there's no way somebody with only 4 Family Finder cousins has recent Ashkenazi ancestry, but there could be some other population pulling him southeast of where you'd otherwise suppose he belonged.

luna
04-24-2013, 12:53 AM
I might never figure out my father's family. He has no family or relatives that I know of, except one older cousin who is an Ashkenazi Jew. I thought that his mother was also an Ashkenazi, but then again it's equally possible she was not. On the "DNA Relatives", there is a Polish Jew who shares the largest segment with him. So I'm confused xD

RGM
04-24-2013, 07:30 AM
Can't say that I've seen many autosomal admixtures where there is little to no mixing...very interesting!
Was this what you expected? Or were there some family stories that are now likely dis-proven because of your results?

It was exactly what I expected. Well, it was exactly what I expected my ethnicity to be, but I was expecting McDonald to give me a bunch of possibilities and percentages like everyone else!

My father's parents were both born in Ireland, but my mother's family has been in the US for generations. I have 12 different Irish lines on her side that immigrated separately. Kind of crazy that none of my ancestors married outside the Irish-American community, not even after over 100 years in the country!

31/32 of my third-great-grandparents are believed to have been born in Ireland, with one Scot. I have documentation on most of them.

Esmeralda
07-13-2013, 10:29 AM
http://i.imgur.com/ASH9jRw.png
http://i.imgur.com/KDoSrfS.png
http://i.imgur.com/hshDPq5.png
http://i.imgur.com/eRASwLT.png
http://i.imgur.com/FwtrNku.png


I suppose my Jewish is real because 23andme told me I share with full Jewish customers
http://i.imgur.com/MuCDZDk.png

rockman
07-15-2013, 07:43 AM
The automated computer results are as follows.
Please read the attached .rtf file for an explanation of how to
interpret all the data and plots. Both can be misleading without interpretation.

Most likely fit is 39.0% (+- 0.0%) Mideast (all Turkish)
and 61.0% (+- 0.0%) S. Asia (all India)

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
Turkish= 0.390 S_India= 0.610

but a much better fit is
Cypriot 0.2157 Burusho 0.4221 S_India 0.3622 or
Turkish 0.3026 Burusho 0.2816 S_India 0.4158 or
Armenian 0.2528 N_India 0.6192 Uygur 0.1280 or
Georgian 0.2553 N_India 0.6195 Uygur 0.1253 or
Armenian 0.2591 Hazara 0.1185 N_India 0.6224 or
Armenian 0.2401 Burusho 0.4027 S_India 0.3572 or
Georgian 0.2615 Hazara 0.1158 N_India 0.6227 or
Adygei 0.3838 Hazara 0.0719 S_India 0.5443 or
Adygei 0.3793 S_India 0.5431 Uygur 0.0775 or
Adygei 0.3178 Burusho 0.2445 S_India 0.4377 or
Turkish 0.2909 Hazara 0.0775 N_India 0.6316 or
Turkish 0.2862 N_India 0.6297 Uygur 0.0841 or
Adygei 0.2932 Hazara 0.0795 N_India 0.6273 or
Georgian 0.2469 Burusho 0.3836 S_India 0.3695 or
Cypriot 0.1784 Burusho 0.3755 N_India 0.4461 or
Adygei 0.2884 N_India 0.6257 Uygur 0.0860 or
Turkish 0.3809 Hazara 0.0708 S_India 0.5484 or
Georgian 0.3324 S_India 0.5344 Uygur 0.1331 or
Turkish 0.3764 S_India 0.5469 Uygur 0.0767 or
Georgian 0.3396 Hazara 0.1228 S_India 0.5376 or
Sicily 0.2106 Burusho 0.4290 S_India 0.3604 or
Armenian 0.3290 S_India 0.5339 Uygur 0.1372 or
Cypriot 0.2351 Hazara 0.1146 N_India 0.6503 or
Armenian 0.1988 Burusho 0.3607 N_India 0.4406 or
Turkish 0.2428 Burusho 0.2590 N_India 0.4981

which, as you see, are adding India, Pakistan or the Uygur, and the real Mideast.
This means that its in-between, or actually mixed. The spot on the map
is clearly Pakistan ... but no Pakistani group is even a modestly pasable fit, all are abysmal.
So its probably mixed.

Doug McDonald

548549550551

ADW_1981
07-17-2013, 02:34 PM
@rockman

Where is your father's side from?

rockman
07-17-2013, 10:06 PM
@rockman

Where is your father's side from?

It is from India but of mixed Indian, Iranian and Central Asian ancestry over the centuries.

ADW_1981
07-18-2013, 01:53 AM
It is from India but of mixed Indian, Iranian and Central Asian ancestry over the centuries.

Cool. Are you the R1b* Indian guy? Just trying to figure out what subclade of R1b you are, since "R1b" is rather vague. The McDonald clearly doesn't indicate any recent western inputs.

rockman
07-18-2013, 02:31 AM
Yes, I am of Indian origin. My R1b is probably from Central Asia/West Asia.

jeanL
07-27-2013, 07:45 PM
This is my mom's old McDonald results, it was done earlier this year, I sent him a new request to hopefully get a new analysis.


Most likely fit is 94.0% (+- 1.7%) Europe (all Western Europe)

and 6.0% (+- 1.7%) Africa (various subcontinents)

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,

most likely at the top

Spain= 0.954 Mandenka= 0.046 or

Spain= 0.955 Yoruba= 0.045 or

Spain= 0.953 Bantu Ke= 0.047 or

Spain= 0.914 A-Ethiop= 0.086 or

Spain= 0.915 T-Ethiop= 0.085 or

Spain= 0.931 O-Ethiop= 0.069 or

Spain= 0.956 Bantu So= 0.044 or

Spain= 0.944 Maasai= 0.056

or, better

Spain 0.9340 Maya 0.0069 Yoruba 0.0154 O-Ethiopian 0.0436 or

Spain 0.9307 Maya 0.0071 Mandenka 0.0100 O-Ethiopian 0.0522 or

Spain 0.9384 Druze 0.0024 Yoruba 0.0167 O-Ethiopian 0.0424 or

Spain 0.9309 Moroccan 0.0278 Maya 0.0077 Yoruba 0.0337

The actual American is more like 1.5^, the sub-saharan totals 2.6%.

Doug Mcdonald

576577578579580

Sein
10-08-2013, 04:58 AM
I hope my results are of some relevance. I really appreciate Dr. McDonald's work, and I think his analyses of my raw-data have been the most reasonable and accurate I've seen (he has analyzed my raw-data on three different occasions).

Most likely fit is 78.9% (+- 7.0%) S. Asia (all Pakistan) and 8.7% (+- 3.2%) Mideast (various subcontinents) and 12.3% (+- 4.3%) Europe (all Northeast Europe)
The following are possible population sets and their fractions, most likely at the top
Sindhi= 0.733 Iranian= 0.123 Chuvash= 0.144 or
Sindhi= 0.760 Adygei= 0.115 Chuvash= 0.125 or
Sindhi= 0.763 Georgian= 0.089 Chuvash= 0.148 or
Pathan= 0.944 Bedouin = 0.025 Chuvash= 0.030 or
Sindhi= 0.769 Armenian= 0.076 Chuvash= 0.155 or
Sindhi= 0.768 Turkish= 0.093 Chuvash= 0.139
"A custom fit says plain Pashtun (100%) is a good fit. But even better is this
Adygei=0.1893 Burusho=0.1734 Sindhi=0.6374 or
Armenian=0.0372 Hazara=0.0368 Pathan=0.9261 or
Bedouin_Nor=0.0302 Hazara=0.0327 Pathan=0.9371 or
Iranian=0.0517 Hazara=0.0356 Pathan=0.9127 or
Druze=0.0291 Hazara=0.0339 Pathan=0.9371 or
Egyptian=0.0278 Hazara=0.0303 Pathan=0.9419 or
Hazara=0.0362 Makrani=0.0844 Pathan=0.8794"
"It is well within range of being plain Pashtun. The mix of things on the chromosomes is quite normal for that part of the world, except for the presence of the small Native American, which is quite strong. Perhaps it is really Siberian."

743744745746747

Just glancing through this thread, the results for Iranian individuals are rather surprising. I have seen Dr. McDonald's chromosome paintings for three friends who originate from the northwestern periphery of South Asia. Contrary to my expectations, my chromosome painting is significantly more similar to DMXX than to my northwest South Asian friends. Two have chromosome paintings that are completely South Asian, while one of my friends is almost completely South Asian, but with very substantial European chunks on three chromosomes.

Dr_McNinja
10-19-2013, 10:14 PM
Here's my results from Dr. McDonald:

http://i.imgur.com/s8ipaRW.png

The rest are at: http://imgur.com/a/7QZzw#0


Most likely fit is 58.1% (+- 8.1%) S. Asia (all Pakistan)
and 41.9% (+- 8.1%) S. Asia (all India)
which is 100% total S. Asia

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
Pathan= 0.501 N_India= 0.499 or
Pathan= 0.662 S_India= 0.338

or using a custom fit,
French 0.1335 Balochi 0.1823 Burusho 0.1267 S_India 0.5574 or
French 0.0370 Pathan 0.3487 N_India 0.5816 Uygur 0.0326 or
French 0.0881 Balochi 0.1284 Burusho 0.0787 N_India 0.7048

The computer is just finding fits to what we have. In this case its
probably not giving actual ancestries, just historic affinities”.
N(orth)India is mostly Brahmin, S(outh)India is mostly tribal.

Sein
10-21-2013, 06:52 AM
Very interesting results Dr_McNinja. Coincidentally, I've always assumed that the average Punjabi is probably almost perfectly intermediate between Pashtuns and North Indians. I think that would make sense based on geography, and this finds some support in the phenotypes of Punjabi people.

Sein
10-21-2013, 07:05 AM
Also, I asked Dr. McDonald if he could do a custom fit that did not involve the HGDP Pakistanis, and that would also have no error (a perfect fit). Also, his chromosome painting algorithm is very different from the ones offered by 23andMe and Interpretome, so I asked if he could do one with three continents, and if he could tell me the percentages. My results:

Custom Fit
Iranian=47% N_India=45% Uygur=8% error=0.00000

Painting percentages
Europe=91%
Asia=9%
Africa=0%

I asked what the caste backgrounds were for the North Indian samples, and he said that they are Brahmins and other upper caste groups. I think the custom fit makes sense. An Iranian-Upper Caste North Indian hybrid, but slightly more Iranian than upper caste North Indian, and with some substantial Central Asian admixture. The painting makes sense, since haploblock approaches are very different in nature from Structure/Admixture, so one would expect such a number. On 23andMe, my share who has an identical spot on both the HGDP World PCA, and the HGDP South Asian PCA, was 97% European when 23andMe's "Ancestry Painting" was powered by Hapmap 2, so I guess that would be my percentage. I've tried Interpretome's three continent paintings, and depending on the settings, I get between completely European, and about 90% European. So that averages 95%. His algorithm is much more sensitive, so I trust the result.

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Sein
10-22-2013, 05:57 AM
Thank you, Scyth. That is definitely possible, but there will be quite some heterogeneity. And I'm willing to bet that Pashtuns west of the Durand Line will be more heterogeneous than Pashtuns east of the Durand Line.

Sein
10-23-2013, 08:49 AM
The good thing is that at Harappa Ancestry Project, Zack has three Pashtun participants who originate from contemporary Afghanistan, along with me (my family originates from contemporary Pakistan). One of these participants, HRP0281, has results that are virtually identical to mine. We're both basically indistinguishable. The other two Pashtun participants who originate west of the Durand Line are somewhat different from both of us, but our results, out of all the populations besides the HGDP Pashtun samples, are closest to these two other Afghan Pashtuns. Basically, both of these individuals are less South Asian than us (especially less "South Indian", although we all share similar amounts of the "Baloch" component), but both are very similar to us, and are more similar to us than to any other population. Unfortunately, HRP0281 has not revealed their tribal and provincial origins in Afghanistan (which is a shame, since I take a natural interest in their background, because this individual's results are so similar to my own). But HRP0286 has revealed his background, he's a Pashtun of the Muhammadzai lineage of the Abdali/Durrani confederacy, with ultimate origins in Kandahar. HRP0326 has also revealed his background (and he's a friend of mine), his background is very complex and mixed. Basically, he is 62.5% Ghilzai Pashtun, 25% Durrani Pashtun, and 12.5% Hazara. His family originates from both southern and eastern Afghanistan. I'm sharing with a few Afghan Pashtuns on 23andMe, and I think I've learned a few interesting things. Two individuals who originate from the same province, and belong to the same tribe, are sharing with me. One is as South Asian as me, but much more East Asian. The other individual is as South Asian as HRP0286, but much more East Asian (both individuals originate from a region that was once home to a vibrant Hazara population). Another Afghan Pashtun has results identical to my own. There is one individual who is much less South Asian than me, but more South Asian than HRP0286. I've seen their results for DIY HarappaWorld, and this seems to be correct.

Dr_McNinja
10-23-2013, 11:16 PM
I think Pashtun are a three way cross between Caucasus, Indo-Iranian (i.e, Tajik) and various North Indian populations with different tribes leaning more towards one or the other. There seems to be a consistent streak of a tiny bit of East Asian and North Eurasian (Siberian) ancestry there too.

The ancestry is probably Central Asian Indo-Europeans who moved into South Asia recently, so that would explain it. They haven't actually mixed with North Indians in all cases (some having very low South Indian admixture) but would share some ancestral elements with them (like some of the European admixture that the Brahmins and other upper castes have).

Sein
10-24-2013, 12:20 AM
@ Dr_McNinja - I think that is very plausible.

@ Scyth - I think one won't really see a Pakistan-Afghanistan difference. Instead, one will probably see a North-South difference. Although this may seem odd, especially to people used to Indian genetics, but southern Pashtuns look less South Asian than northern Pashtuns. A Pakistani Pashtun from Quetta in southern Pakistan looks much more West-Central Asian than an Afghan Pashtun from Laghman in Northern Afghanistan. The further south you go among Pashtuns, the lighter pigmented people become. The further south you go, the more East Eurasian people become in terms of facial features (yes, this may sound odd, but northern Pashtuns rarely show even a hint of East Eurasian ancestry, while some southern Pashtuns, especially people from Kandahar, can look strikingly Central Asian-Turkic influenced). Even cultural differences among Pashtuns are North-South, linguistic differentiation is North-South. Variation along a East-West axis is minimal in both culture, language, and phenotype.

Sapporo
10-24-2013, 12:26 AM
@ Dr_McNinja - I think that is very plausible.

@ Scyth - I think one won't really see a Pakistan-Afghanistan difference. Instead, one will probably see a North-South difference. Although this may seem odd, especially to people used to Indian genetics, but southern Pashtuns look less South Asian than northern Pashtuns. A Pakistani Pashtun from Quetta in southern Pakistan looks much more West-Central Asian than an Afghan Pashtun from Laghman in Northern Afghanistan. The further south you go among Pashtuns, the lighter pigmented people become. The further south you go, the more East Eurasian people become in terms of facial features (yes, this may sound odd, but northern Pashtuns rarely show even a hint of East Eurasian ancestry, while some southern Pashtuns, especially people from Kandahar, can look strikingly Central Asian-Turkic influenced). Even cultural differences among Pashtuns are North-South, linguistic differentiation is North-South. Variation along a East-West axis is minimal in both culture, language, and phenotype.

Sein, I think you may be on to something based on the few Afghan Pashtuns samples we have. Now, two of them are from Kandahar (both Popalzai i.e. Durrani I believe?) and one is from Northern Afghanistan with ultimate origins in Kandahar (he is Mohammadzai i.e. Durrani too right?). Also, one of the Kandahari Pashtuns is definitely much more East Eurasian than the HGDP Pashtuns. Although, we don't have significant data to go by yet, I suspect that Afghan Pashtuns from Southern Afghanistan (although to a slight extent, Afghan Pashtuns in general) will be less South Asian shifted (IMO, no more than 5-6% though on average though) and more Caucasus/Med + Southwest Asian/East Eurasian shifted versus Pakistani Pashtuns in more Northern areas such as parts of Northern FATA (Kurram, Khyber, Orakzai) and Swat, Chitral, etc. who will be more South Asian/less East Eurasian shifted. I think this may apply to Afghan Pashtuns as well from regions such as Nangarhar, Paktia and Khost.

Here are Pashtuns from FATA as an example:

http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/files/2013/10/tribesmen.jpg

Source: http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2013/10/23/drones-over-fata-next-year-may-be-the-last-they-are-legal/

Where do you suspect they are from within FATA?

Also, the individual HGDP Pashtun who is 12% South Indian seems to still cluster overall with the HGDP Pashtuns due to his/her 8% East Eurasian admixture which makes the individual only slightly more West Eurasian than the other samples.

However, I'll have to be honest. The genetics of Waziris probably interest me the most due to how high profile they are in the news. After that, probably the Ghilzai and Yousafzai or Afridi.

Sein
10-24-2013, 01:17 AM
@ Sapporo - To be honest, I think I couldn't have said it better myself. The Pashtuns in the picture have a very typical look for people from Khyber, Orakzai, and Mohmand Agencies. Most northern Pashtuns look like this. Very angular faces, very sharply defined noses, and on average light brown exposed skin pigmentation (but the full range of exposed skin pigmentation would be from a very pale pinkish white, all the way to a very deep medium brown). In the south, the facial features are less sharply defined, the noses are slightly shorter and less projective, but the exposed skin pigmentation tends to be a very light tan, with many individuals having lightly colored eyes, or brown hair, or slightly blonde beards. At the same time, the faces are broader among southerners, and epicanthic folds are more common on the eyes. If I were to guess tribal origins, these men are probably Afridi Pashtuns from the Khyber. If not Afridi, then Shinwari.

@ Scyth - Kabul is complicated because it isn't really a Pashtun city. It's always been a Tajik town (with a now very substantial Hazara minority), albeit one lying precariously on an ethnic fault-line, with Ghilzai and Safi Pashtuns to the south and north. The Pashtun minority in the city is very diverse, drawn from people of many different tribal and provincial backgrounds. If we consider, for the sake of our discussion, Safi Pashtuns as "Kabuli" (which is actually incorrect), then a Pashtun from Quetta does look less South Asian and more West-Central Asian.

Sein
10-24-2013, 04:09 AM
A few photos that illustrate the difference (sorry about that, the northern Pashtun photos are rather old).
Northern Pashtuns (all Pakistani):

808

809

810

811

Sein
10-24-2013, 04:13 AM
Southern Pashtuns (all Afghanistan, fortunately, new photos):

806

807

Sapporo
10-24-2013, 04:42 AM
@Sein

I'm positive that first picture Scyth posted of a "Pakistani" Pashtun is actually a Rohilla Pathan from Uttar Pradesh. He could probably fit in Kashmir or even Sindh/Punjab actually in my opinion. So, while likely predominately Pashtun in ancestry, the individual will certainly have much more South Asian ancestry than generic Northern or Southern Pakistani Pashtuns.

Also, is Kabul even more than 25% Pashtun? I realize ethnic demographics are hard to breakdown for such a city but I remember reading that number somewhere before.

Sein
10-24-2013, 05:13 AM
Do you think that's close?

I think the Pakistani Pashtun individual whose photo is posted has a phenotype that is very rare, but the Afghan Pashtun governors are representative.

My idea of Pakistani Pashtuns is this individual:

812

This crowd is pretty typical, and is from a city very close to the HGDP sampling location:

813

And then these photos capture a lot of phenotypic variation.

814

815

816

It is somewhat sad that most pictures of Pashtuns involve weapons. Also, all of these photos are of northern Pakistani Pashtuns. In the interest of full disclosure, I look more like a Tajik than a Pashtun, whether Afghan or Pakistani. But nobody assumes I'm from the Old World. All my life, I've been considered a Hispanic. I'm told I look like a Mexican Castizo, but an extremely hirsute (I will put a lot of emphasis on hirsute; if someone is hairier than me, than they must not be human) and projective nosed one (I think I'm beginning to reveal more information than people would want to know, but I have quite a nose, projects off my face like a rocket). Besides the profuse body hair and unusually prominent-lengthy nose, I do look like someone who is 75% Southern European, and 25% Native American. Iranians always assume I originate from the same country as themselves (we have a very large community where I live), so I fit very well among West Asians (I've had the same experience with Kurds, who often talk to me in Kurdish, particularly recent immigrants). Nevertheless, I am still well within Pashtun physical variation, and my extreme hirsuteness and beaky nose-face give away my ancestry to those who are cognitively more sensitive to these things.

Sein
10-24-2013, 05:15 AM
@ Sapporo - I posted before I read your comment, I knew something was distinctive about that individual. Lol, we've kinda changed the direction of this thread. Also, I believe you are absolutely correct, Kabul is around 25% Pashtun.

Sapporo
10-24-2013, 05:44 AM
@ Sapporo - I posted before I read your comment, I knew something was distinctive about that individual. Lol, we've kinda changed the direction of this thread.

Yes, he has a distinct look. Now that I tried to find the source photo, I came across this page. So, he actually may be a Delhi Pathan rather than Rohilla Pathan from Uttar Pradesh. However, I do remember coming across a page that labeled him a Rohilla Pathan on flickr I believe. He's likely one or the other.

http://www.flickriver.com/places/India/Delhi/New+Delhi/Jama+Masjid/

Anyways, yes we have gone off-topic and should probably stop here.

ajaxknight
11-02-2013, 03:30 AM
Most likely fit is 56.7% (+- 15.0%) Europe (various subcontinents)
and 43.3% (+- 15.0%) Mideast (various subcontinents)

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
Irish= 0.507 Sephardic= 0.493 or
Spain= 0.833 Iranian= 0.167 or
Poland= 0.488 Sephardic= 0.512 or
Irish= 0.450 Jewish= 0.550 or
Spain= 0.772 Adygei= 0.228 or
Lithuania= 0.435 Sephardic= 0.565 or
English= 0.502 Jewish= 0.498 or
Poland= 0.432 Jewish= 0.568 or
Germany= 0.481 Jewish= 0.519 or
French= 0.771 Palestinia= 0.229
Second most likely fit is 43.4% (+- 5.8%) Europe (various subcontinents)
and 56.6% (+- 5.8%) Europe (all Southern Europe)
which is 100% total Europe

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
Irish= 0.418 Sicily= 0.582 or
Poland= 0.400 Sicily= 0.600 or
Lithuania= 0.350 Sicily= 0.650 or
Hungary= 0.547 Sicily= 0.453 or
Belorus= 0.403 Sicily= 0.597 or
Germany= 0.448 Sicily= 0.552 or
English= 0.469 Sicily= 0.531

but a custom fit and some of the scatter plots makes it very clear that
there is a lot of Jewish (Ashkenazy) in there. A custom fit gives:
English 0.5320 Jewish 0.4165 Druze 0.0514 or
Russian 0.1534 Spain 0.5167 Jewish 0.3299 or
Irish 0.3830 Tuscan 0.2378 Jewish 0.3792 or
French 0.5938 Chuvash 0.0336 Jewish 0.3726 or
Irish 0.4403 Sicily 0.1859 Jewish 0.3739 or
Irish 0.3485 Italian 0.2566 Jewish 0.3948 or
English 0.5015 Sicily 0.0998 Jewish 0.3987 or
English 0.5260 Jewish 0.4080 Cypriot 0.0660 or
English 0.5225 Jewish 0.3693 Sephardic 0.1082

http://imageshack.us/a/img546/4981/cm7l.png
http://imageshack.us/a/img820/3851/eiwd.png
http://imageshack.us/a/img824/1272/kcxh.png
http://imageshack.us/a/img690/2253/xt9n.png

BakodiP
11-09-2013, 12:17 PM
My results are like these. However I can't really figure out my MidEast, maybe my J2b* Y-DNA haplogroup has something to do with it.

Most likely fit is 100% Hungary (Southeast Europe)
which is 100% total Europe
The location error = 0.005584 with 1 group

The following are possible populations,
most likely at the top:
Hungary= 1.000

a custom fit agrees that that’s a good fit. But it also says that
Germany 0.8340 Sephardic 0.1660 or
Irish 0.3874 Romania 0.6126 or
Germany 0.5738 Romania 0.4262 or
Germany 0.8551 Jewish 0.1449 or
Romania 0.7031 Finland 0.2969 or
French 0.2223 Hungary 0.7777 or
Germany 0.7989 Sicily 0.2011 or
English 0.1927 Hungary 0.8073 or
Sicily 0.4486 Finland 0.5514 or
Irish 0.1724 Hungary 0.8276 or
Italian 0.1445 Hungary 0.8555 or
Tuscan 0.5195 Finland 0.4805
offers better fits.

883884885886

Sapporo
11-10-2013, 09:31 AM
Most likely fit is 8.0% (+- 1.0%) Europe (all Northeast Europe)
and 92.0% (+- 1.0%) S. Asia (all Pakistan)

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
Chuvash= 0.095 Sindhi= 0.905 or
Russian= 0.082 Sindhi= 0.918 or
Finland= 0.076 Sindhi= 0.924 or
Lithuania= 0.068 Sindhi= 0.932
Second most likely fit is 89.8% (+- 7.7%) S. Asia (all Pakistan)
and 10.2% (+- 7.7%) S. Asia (various subcontinents)
which is 100% total S. Asia

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
Pathan= 0.813 N_India= 0.187 or
Sindhi= 0.406 Pathan= 0.594 or
Pathan= 0.882 S_India= 0.118

A custom test gives similar results:

Pathan 0.7575 N_India 0.2425 or
Pathan 0.8282 S_India 0.1718 or
Iranian 0.3669 N_India 0.6331 or
Pathan 0.4305 Sindhi 0.5695

This means that it is not really exactly like any
of our comparison groups, but closest to Sindhi and Pathan (Pashtun).
Its quite normal India; the European amount is rather low for 100% Pashtun.

892893894895896

rockman
11-11-2013, 06:36 AM
Hello Sapporo

Are you pathan from the Pakistan side of the Durand line?

Sapporo
11-11-2013, 08:39 AM
Hello Sapporo

Are you pathan from the Pakistan side of the Durand line?

No, I'm Northwest Indian. I'll pm you my exact background.

MfA
11-11-2013, 03:39 PM
I've never revealed my true identity and used fake names like Aaron Patel and Georgios Papadakis for teh lulz..

My first try on May 2013


Most likely fit is 56.7% (+- 0.0%) Mideast (all Iran) and 43.3% (+- 0.0%) Mideast (all Caucasus Area) which is 100% total Mideast

The following are possible population sets and their fractions, most likely at the top
Iranian= 0.567 Armenian= 0.433
a custom fit says

Palestinian 0.1048 Armenian 0.7116 Pathan 0.1836
Palestinian 0.1134 Iranian 0.6436 Georgian 0.2430
Druze 0.0975 Iranian 0.6847 Georgian 0.2179
Palestinian 0.0934 Armenian 0.7470 Sindhi 0.1597
Palestinian 0.0477 Iranian 0.5786 Armenian 0.3737
Druze 0.0371 Iranian 0.5998 Armenian 0.3632
Adygei 0.2776 Palestinian 0.1538 Iranian 0.5687
Iranian 0.6052 Georgian 0.0625 Armenian 0.3323
Iranian 0.6768 Georgian 0.1600 Cypriot 0.1632

The last one, November 2013

Most likely fit is 56.7% (+- 0.0%) Mideast (all Iran) and 43.3% (+- 0.0%) Mideast (all Caucasus Area) which is 100% total Mideast

The following are possible population sets and their fractions, most likely at the top
Iranian= 0.567 Armenian= 0.433
a custom fit says

Palestinian 0.0846 Armenian 0.7323 Pathan 0.1831 or
Italian 0.0307 Iranian 0.6050 Armenian 0.3643 or
Spain 0.0259 Iranian 0.6015 Armenian 0.3726 or
Tuscan 0.0343 Iranian 0.6065 Armenian 0.3593 or
Palestinian 0.0277 Iranian 0.5844 Armenian 0.3878 or
English 0.0182 Iranian 0.5926 Armenian 0.3892 or
French 0.0199 Iranian 0.5957 Armenian 0.3844 or
Iranian 0.4089 Armenian 0.5314 Pathan 0.0597 or
Sephardic 0.0382 Iranian 0.6048 Armenian 0.3571 or
Chuvash 0.0129 Iranian 0.5651 Armenian 0.4220 or
Irish 0.0144 Iranian 0.5897 Armenian 0.3960 or
Sicily 0.0352 Iranian 0.6052 Armenian 0.3596 or
Iranian 0.6163 Cypriot 0.0613 Armenian 0.3225 or


which usually established the spot on the geographic map quite well.
The usual guess in that general area is Kurd. The mix of colors on the
chromosome plot is always there for people from that area, and usually
comes from ancient mixing rather than something recent.

Doug McDonald

http://abload.de/img/your_favourite_cousinwvs3u.png

http://abload.de/img/your_favourite_cousinqbsim.png
http://abload.de/img/your_favourite_cousincxs3q.png
http://abload.de/img/georgios_papadakis_fuiyjef.png
http://abload.de/img/georgios_papadakis_fu87jfo.png

May 2013
http://abload.de/img/your_favourite_cousin47beq.png
November 2013
http://abload.de/img/georgios_papadakis_fu8aolb.png

leonardo
11-14-2013, 02:04 AM
Mine:
http://imageshack.us/a/img713/2075/qrhu.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/713/qrhu.jpg/)
http://imageshack.us/a/img96/4738/9vej.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/96/9vej.jpg/)
http://imageshack.us/a/img855/8059/xl38.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/855/xl38.jpg/)

My Mother's:
http://imageshack.us/a/img17/8121/p4rr.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/17/p4rr.jpg/)
http://imageshack.us/a/img96/5668/r7je.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/96/r7je.jpg/)
http://imageshack.us/a/img607/5301/3n93.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/607/3n93.jpg/)

Part of my father's ancestry is unknown. Any thought on my ancestry, especially when compared to my mother's?

geebee
11-14-2013, 04:18 AM
Well, you both of course seem to be predominantly European. And you both have two segments identified as Mideast. One of these seems to be the same for both of you, the one on chromosome 9. So presumably you inherited this one from your mother.

But your second, much longer segment is on chromosome 6. She does not share this segment with you, nor does she seem to have passed on to you her segment on chromosome 9. That suggests to me that both of your parents must have similar (but small) amounts of Mideast -- and that each one passed a single segment on to you.

Hopefully, someone else will chime in here who may have more helpful insights than I do. :)

AJL
11-14-2013, 04:45 PM
To add to geebee's remarks:

Your mother's Mideast is a a fair bit smaller and her mapping is also fairly solidly around France/Benelux/Germany. This could be just from there, or some mix of French, Dutch, English, German, for example, with more farflung elements. Or she could even be mostly English with a single ancestor from a lot farther east a few generations ago.

Your mother is a little SE (towards Hungary) of the average on the plot to be 100% English, I would say. She fits more around where my mother is, and she is mainly Isles but with bits of French, German, Dutch, a very little Italian, and some small Scandinavian and South Asian (likely Roma) bits I can't account for yet but which seem legitimate across measuring tools, and possibly a little Swiss. Or your mother could simply be German or something nearby. Her small amount of Mideast could come from remote Jewish, Italian, or other ancestry which is probably fairly common in and around Germany and the Netherlands.

Your results look more or less like your mother's with that noticeable dot in Turkey suggesting ancestry much farther east not more than several generations ago. The second spot might not be completely literally Turkish. But the Mideast segments combined with the spot do suggest to me this is probably from near there as opposed to Sicilan, say, unless your father had Sicilian or Italian or even Arab in combination with something like Finnish and English or similar on the other side. This seems less likely to me than your father simply being partly from around Benelux or Germany, and having one Mideast (possibly Turkish) parent or grandparent.

It would be most interesting to know if you had any matches in Turkey or near there in your Countries of Ancestry. That might be your best clue for the misisng part since there simply may not be enough people testing from that area to get recent relatives. One possible read is that you are German with a German mother and a father who was perhaps half Turkish, and your actual matches might be a better clue than my interpretation as to whether that is correct.

leonardo
11-14-2013, 10:42 PM
To add to geebee's remarks:

Your mother's Mideast is a a fair bit smaller and her mapping is also fairly solidly around France/Benelux/Germany. This could be just from there, or some mix of French, Dutch, English, German, for example, with more farflung elements. Or she could even be mostly English with a single ancestor from a lot farther east a few generations ago.

Your mother is a little SE (towards Hungary) of the average on the plot to be 100% English, I would say. She fits more around where my mother is, and she is mainly Isles but with bits of French, German, Dutch, a very little Italian, and some small Scandinavian and South Asian (likely Roma) bits I can't account for yet but which seem legitimate across measuring tools, and possibly a little Swiss. Or your mother could simply be German or something nearby. Her small amount of Mideast could come from remote Jewish, Italian, or other ancestry which is probably fairly common in and around Germany and the Netherlands.

Your results look more or less like your mother's with that noticeable dot in Turkey suggesting ancestry much farther east not more than several generations ago. The second spot might not be completely literally Turkish. But the Mideast segments combined with the spot do suggest to me this is probably from near there as opposed to Sicilan, say, unless your father had Sicilian or Italian or even Arab in combination with something like Finnish and English or similar on the other side. This seems less likely to me than your father simply being partly from around Benelux or Germany, and having one Mideast (possibly Turkish) parent or grandparent.

It would be most interesting to know if you had any matches in Turkey or near there in your Countries of Ancestry. That might be your best clue for the misisng part since there simply may not be enough people testing from that area to get recent relatives. One possible read is that you are German with a German mother and a father who was perhaps half Turkish, and your actual matches might be a better clue than my interpretation as to whether that is correct.
Bravo AJL. I would say quite accurate based upon what I currently know about my ancestry. Even without McDonald's personal assessment (my hard drive crashed recently and I lost my saved emails; luckily I saved the images to my documents where I was able to recover them), you seem to be spot on. I have tested with family Finder and 23andMe, and and my mother with Family Finder. Using these tools, Gedmatch and a few others, I have learned that my mother is about 50% British Isles and 50% German. What I didn't know is that some of German is apparently further east. She is related to a few Dutch Mennonites that were in Prussia, then the Ukraine. This seems to be back a few generations. I haven't determined if her ancestors actually moved from Prussia to the Ukraine, to the US , or if they went right from Prussia to the US in the late 1700s ( I am favoring the latter). It appears she also has ancestry from the Rhineland-Palatinate. She does have Cornish and Scots-Irish and British. Now my father's father is unknown. His mother was 50% Italian (from south-central Italy). 25% Irish and 25% Welsh. I do have a distant match with an Armenian national from eastern Turkey. I have some other matches on 23andMe with others from this area, but they seem to be about 5-6 generations removed as well, nothing recent to date. Based upon what I have learned about him, I think the rest of my father's father's ancestry could have been north-Germanic/Scandinavian and possibly Polish.

Isidro
11-17-2013, 03:11 PM
My results, analyzed FTDNA raw data. I found the Chromosome Painting out of whack with rest of analysis, wrote him back and see if there is a mixed up or it is what it is:

930931932933

Most likely fit is 100% Spain (Western Europe)

which is 100% total Europe

The location error = 0.003703 with 1 group



The following are possible populations,

most likely at the top:

Spain= 1.000



but a better custom fit says:



Basque 0.1284 Spain 0.8716



and that’s about it. The Mideast on the chromosomes is weak and

typical of the Mediterranean.



Doug McDonald

Isidro
11-22-2013, 02:05 PM
An update on my Chromosome Painting Middle Eastern issue:

After an exchange of e-mails with Dr McDonald and sending him my Painting from 23andMe he did a while back to compare it with FTDNA one.

He does stick to the Painting depiction of my Middle Eastern. His explanations did not meet my expectations by any means, actually I would have preferred he had ignored my followup request altogether to be honest.
Basically he is saying that I am 100% Spanish and within this classification the Chromosome Painting show about over 20% Middle Eastern. He does say my Middle Eastern is very very weak. He has no problem with both results...I will not speculate further but I am no happy with this 'freebie'.

957958

Wulf Talented
12-08-2013, 05:16 PM
First time I've heard of Dr Mcdonald, do I have to contact an admin of this site? I'd love to send him my 23andme Ancestry composition!

Hanna
12-08-2013, 06:12 PM
I resent my file to Dr. Mcdonald and this is what I got:

http://imageshack.com/a/img11/2272/x6tp.png
http://imageshack.com/a/img819/2953/toga.png
http://imageshack.com/a/img59/5584/85rz.png
http://imageshack.com/a/img853/1695/rc9h.png
http://imageshack.com/a/img845/3011/f0h7.png


Most likely fit is 87.0% (+- 0.4%) Mideast (all Caucasus Area)
and 5.6% (+- 0.9%) E. Asia (various subcontinents)
and 7.5% (+- 0.9%) Europe (various subcontinents)

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top

Armenian= 0.872 Yakut= 0.055 Russian= 0.073 or
Armenian= 0.877 Yakut= 0.057 Finland= 0.066 or
Armenian= 0.874 Yakut= 0.062 Lithuania= 0.064 or
Armenian= 0.868 Yakut= 0.062 Poland= 0.070 or
Armenian= 0.867 Yakut= 0.062 Irish= 0.071 or
Armenian= 0.871 Yakut= 0.037 Chuvash= 0.092 or
Armenian= 0.868 Yakut= 0.061 Belorus= 0.070 or
Armenian= 0.863 Yakut= 0.063 Germany= 0.074 or
Armenian= 0.869 Buryat= 0.058 Russian= 0.073 or
Armenian= 0.869 Buryat= 0.039 Chuvash= 0.092

or, by a usually better custom fit:

Turkish 0.7068 Georgian 0.2932 or
Turkish 0.7151 Armenian 0.2849

Doug McDonald

everest59
12-15-2013, 02:14 PM
Here's mine (Nepalese):
The automated computer results are as follows.
Please read the attached .rtf file for an explanation of how to
interpret all the data and plots. Both can be misleading without interpretation.

Most likely fit is 17.5% (+- 1.6%) Europe (all Northeast Europe)
and 82.5% (+- 1.6%) S. Asia (all India)

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
Chuvash= 0.197 N_India= 0.803 or
Russian= 0.169 N_India= 0.831 or
Finland= 0.159 N_India= 0.841

a custom fit to S. Asia and close populations gives
Pathan 0.4272 N_India 0.4487 Uygur 0.1241 or
Hazara 0.1203 Pathan 0.4325 N_India 0.4471 or
Pathan 0.4841 N_India 0.4398 Altai 0.0761 or
Pathan 0.5315 N_India 0.4082 Mongolian 0.0603 or
Pathan 0.5007 N_India 0.4295 Mongola_Chi 0.0698 or
Pathan 0.5737 S_India 0.3113 Uygur 0.1150 or
Hazara 0.1114 Pathan 0.5784 S_India 0.3103 or
Pathan 0.6232 S_India 0.3059 Altai 0.0709 or
Pathan 0.6361 S_India 0.2991 Mongola_Chi 0.0648 or
Pathan 0.6594 S_India 0.2844 Mongolian 0.0562

Stellaritic
01-17-2014, 10:35 PM
Most likely fit is 33.0% (+- 5.9%) Mideast (various subcontinents)
and 67.0% (+- 5.9%) Mideast (all North Africa)
which is 100% total Mideast

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
Palestin= 0.301 Moroccan= 0.699 or
Druze= 0.235 Moroccan= 0.765 or
Bedouin= 0.358 Moroccan= 0.642 or
Palestin= 0.349 Mozabite= 0.651 or
Bedouin= 0.409 Mozabite= 0.591

which looks quite correct: Northwest African plus a large bit
of non-African Mideastern.

Mozabite=0.591 Palestin=0.279 Egyptian=0.130
fits even better.
http://imageshack.com/a/img33/6383/u8tb.png
http://imageshack.com/a/img41/1580/1de0.png
http://imageshack.com/a/img839/9412/q5ra.png

Wulf Talented
01-17-2014, 11:22 PM
Most likely fit is 100% English (Western Europe)
which is 100% total Europe
The location error = 0.004845 with 1 group

The following are possible populations,
most likely at the top:
English= 1.000

and that’s about it ... the other things on the chromosomes are weak
and likely noise.

1226

1227

1228

1229

1230

Ahaddad
01-18-2014, 12:17 AM
How i can transfer my results to Dr.McDonald?

NK19191
01-18-2014, 02:08 PM
How i can transfer my results to Dr.McDonald?

Download your Raw-data them Email your raw data to him. his email is [email protected]

Wulf Talented
01-18-2014, 11:58 PM
Most likely fit is 100% English (Western Europe)
which is 100% total Europe
The location error = 0.004845 with 1 group

The following are possible populations,
most likely at the top:
English= 1.000

and that’s about it ... the other things on the chromosomes are weak
and likely noise.

1226

1227

1228

1229

1230

Strange to see the Polish ancestry vanish, lol.

( Yes, I did reply to myself, by complete accident ) :P.

Generalissimo
01-19-2014, 01:35 AM
Strange to see the Polish ancestry vanish, lol.

( Yes, I did reply to myself, by complete accident ) :P.

I don't have a very high opinion of McDonald or his tests, but that's just my opinion.

vettor
01-19-2014, 02:58 AM
I don't have a very high opinion of McDonald or his tests, but that's just my opinion.

was it because you did not get what you wanted or that he was slightly or greatly out of predicting

for me I knew I was 100% european,( confirmed by Doug), but I thought I was on the italian/austrian border....but Doug placed me on the Italian/french border.........I cannot argue either way with him.

Some don't like him because he can only go back 2100 years

icebreaker
01-19-2014, 03:27 AM
The automated computer results are as follows.
Please read the attached .rtf file for an explanation of how to
interpret all the data and plots. Both can be misleading without interpretation.

Most likely fit is 96.3% (+- 0.2%) Mideast (all Turkish)
and 3.7% (+- 0.2%) E. Asia (various subcontinents)

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
Turkish= 0.960 Malaysian= 0.040 or
Turkish= 0.964 Japanese= 0.036 or
Turkish= 0.961 Cambodian= 0.039 or
Turkish= 0.961 Tu= 0.039 or
Turkish= 0.962 Mongolian= 0.038 or
Turkish= 0.964 North_Han= 0.036 or
Turkish= 0.964 Lahu= 0.036 or
Turkish= 0.965 South_Han= 0.035 or
Turkish= 0.965 Dai= 0.035 or
Turkish= 0.965 Chukchi= 0.035

a custom fit gives
Bedouin_Sou 0.0349 Turkish 0.9160 Cambodian 0.0491 or
Turkish 0.9028 Makrani 0.0596 Cambodian 0.0376 or
Turkish 0.9067 Balochi 0.0563 Cambodian 0.0370 or
Turkish 0.9097 Brahui 0.0523 Cambodian 0.0380 or
Turkish 0.8976 Makrani 0.0690 North_Han 0.0334 or
Turkish 0.9018 Balochi 0.0656 North_Han 0.0327

which is saying Turkish, but apparently recently mixed;
however, it does not fit well using either Uygur or Hazara,
premixed Central Asian.

Doug McDonald

https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/505x505q90/46/mc1j.png
https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x343q90/713/19693208.png
https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/505x505q90/823/jrb8.png

shazou
01-19-2014, 04:13 AM
this is best done with a custom fit. See .rtf file. Note that we have no
useful comparisons east of Malaysia (Melanesian/Papuan does not count).

Dai 0.3396 She 0.1579 Malaysian 0.5025 or
South_Han 0.2841 Dai 0.1875 Malaysian 0.5284 or
Dai 0.2645 She 0.1528 Cambodian 0.5827 or
Dai 0.3740 Malaysian 0.5030 Japanese 0.1230

which is where Filipinos always end up,.

It also has 1.3% European and 1.1% Mideast and 1.3% S. Asian. These
are not E. Asian, and are real ... but they are not significantly
different **from each other** and could be any or all of the three.

Doug McDonald

http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/1241/y62y.png

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/6351/yj67.png

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/5475/cznq.png

Humanist
01-19-2014, 06:11 AM
Most likely fit is 96.3% (+- 0.2%) Mideast (all Turkish)
and 3.7% (+- 0.2%) E. Asia (various subcontinents)

https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x343q90/713/19693208.png

Thank you for posting. The problem with Dr. McDonald's map is that he is using modern capitals as "anchors" for his reference populations. Hence, why your blue point is not far from Ankara. Many (but not all) contemporary Anatolian Turks have a minority East/Central Asian element. Excluding those with significant Balkan ancestry, their true genetic center is farther east (perhaps approaching E Anatolia ?), in my opinion.

EDIT: I suppose, as far as intra-Turkish variation is concerned, this is not that bad of a thing. However, I am speaking from the perspective of one whose group is not included among his reference populations.

icebreaker
01-19-2014, 01:29 PM
Thank you for posting. The problem with Dr. McDonald's map is that he is using modern capitals as "anchors" for his reference populations. Hence, why your blue point is not far from Ankara. Many (but not all) contemporary Anatolian Turks have a minority East/Central Asian element. Excluding those with significant Balkan ancestry, their true genetic center is farther east (perhaps approaching E Anatolia ?), in my opinion.

EDIT: I suppose, as far as intra-Turkish variation is concerned, this is not that bad of a thing. However, I am speaking from the perspective of one whose group is not included among his reference populations.

My paternal granddad is from Trabzon (north east turkey). Maternal granddad did belong to semi nomadic yoruks. He and my paternal grandma are related. My maternal grand mom is a native from Afyon (central anatolia). According to oral stories our yoruk ancestry goes back to Yozgat. I'm not sure about this but people say it goes back to Dulkadirogullari tribe originally from Kahramanmaras (southeastern Turkey).

This is what I got when I told McDonalds I was Pontic Greek. As far as i know my grand dad from Trabzon was not Pontic but Laz, but the city had a large Pontic Greek population back in those days.
[
The automated computer results are as follows.
Please read the attached .rtf file for an explanation of how to
interpret all the data and plots. Both can be misleading without interpretation.

Most likely fit is 96.3% (+- 0.2%) Mideast (all Turkish)
and 3.7% (+- 0.2%) E. Asia (various subcontinents)

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
Turkish= 0.960 Malaysian= 0.040 or
Turkish= 0.964 Japanese= 0.036 or
Turkish= 0.961 Cambodian= 0.039 or
Turkish= 0.961 Tu= 0.039 or
Turkish= 0.962 Mongolian= 0.038 or
Turkish= 0.964 North_Han= 0.036 or
Turkish= 0.964 Lahu= 0.036 or
Turkish= 0.965 South_Han= 0.035 or
Turkish= 0.965 Dai= 0.035 or
Turkish= 0.965 Chukchi= 0.035

A better custom fit says:

Basque 0.0730 Chuvash 0.0785 Palestinian 0.0620 Iranian 0.7864 or
Chuvash 0.1264 Palestinian 0.1187 Iranian 0.5775 Georgian 0.1773 or
Basque 0.0746 Chuvash 0.0620 Adygei 0.0822 Iranian 0.7813 or
Basque 0.0731 Chuvash 0.0798 Iranian 0.7600 Georgian 0.0872 or
Chuvash 0.0923 Adygei 0.1552 Palestinian 0.1145 Iranian 0.6380 or
Basque 0.0850 Adygei 0.1429 Palestinian 0.0684 Iranian 0.7037 or
Chuvash 0.0831 Adygei 0.1246 Sephardic 0.1013 Iranian 0.6911 or
Tuscan 0.0785 Chuvash 0.0912 Palestinian 0.0639 Iranian 0.7664 or
Sicily 0.1069 Chuvash 0.0808 Adygei 0.1041 Iranian 0.7083 or
Sicily 0.0997 Chuvash 0.1031 Iranian 0.6862 Georgian 0.1110 or
Spain 0.0622 Chuvash 0.0879 Palestinian 0.0678 Iranian 0.7821

which is saying you are rather difficult to fit well. Chromosomes 5 through 9
look rather Kurdish rather than plain Caucasus, the rest looks more classic Arab. It does not look
in any way classic Greek. Nor does it it look plain Turkish. Its just
“different”. The green map spot is well within typical error range
of where the Wikipedia article says is correct for “Pontic Greek”.

https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/505x505q90/706/swqn.png
https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/505x505q90/14/r96l.png
https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/672x360q90/822/d5pz.png
https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/505x505q90/196/n667.png

Doug McDonald

Wulf Talented
01-26-2014, 08:05 PM
I don't have a very high opinion of McDonald or his tests, but that's just my opinion.

To be honest, I was just curious to see what would show. It's more research to my ancestry/genome.

Still though, with the inaccuracy of failing to show Polish DNA, it hasn't helped in what I'm looking for...

Stephen1986
01-26-2014, 08:29 PM
These are my results from 2011, I don't believe that I have posted them before.

Most likely fit is 76.4% (+- 15.5%) Europe (all Western Europe)
and 23.6% (+- 15.5%) Europe (various subcontinents)
which is 100% total Europe

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
Spain= 0.443 Lithuani= 0.557
French= 0.626 Lithuani= 0.374
English= 0.744 Belorus= 0.256
English= 0.818 Lithuani= 0.182
Irish= 0.876 Tuscan= 0.124
French= 0.252 Irish= 0.748
Irish= 0.602 Hungary= 0.398
Irish= 0.807 Romania= 0.193
Irish= 0.863 Italian= 0.137
English= 0.865 Russian= 0.135

This is either where the green dot says (Low Countries) or British with a
substantial Continental contribution.

And my brother -

Most likely fit is 71.4% (+- 17.2%) Europe (all Western Europe)
and 28.6% (+- 17.2%) Europe (various subcontinents)
which is 100% total Europe

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
English= 0.542 Hungary= 0.458
Irish= 0.806 Tuscan= 0.194
Irish= 0.685 Romania= 0.315
French= 0.690 Lithuani= 0.310
English= 0.893 Russian= 0.107
Irish= 0.793 Italian= 0.207
Irish= 0.408 Hungary= 0.592
French= 0.374 Irish= 0.626
French= 0.607 Belorus= 0.393

again, essentially British with some Continental

leonardo
01-26-2014, 11:59 PM
These are my results from 2011, I don't believe that I have posted them before.

Most likely fit is 76.4% (+- 15.5%) Europe (all Western Europe)
and 23.6% (+- 15.5%) Europe (various subcontinents)
which is 100% total Europe

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
Spain= 0.443 Lithuani= 0.557
French= 0.626 Lithuani= 0.374
English= 0.744 Belorus= 0.256
English= 0.818 Lithuani= 0.182
Irish= 0.876 Tuscan= 0.124
French= 0.252 Irish= 0.748
Irish= 0.602 Hungary= 0.398
Irish= 0.807 Romania= 0.193
Irish= 0.863 Italian= 0.137
English= 0.865 Russian= 0.135

This is either where the green dot says (Low Countries) or British with a
substantial Continental contribution.

And my brother -

Most likely fit is 71.4% (+- 17.2%) Europe (all Western Europe)
and 28.6% (+- 17.2%) Europe (various subcontinents)
which is 100% total Europe

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
English= 0.542 Hungary= 0.458
Irish= 0.806 Tuscan= 0.194
Irish= 0.685 Romania= 0.315
French= 0.690 Lithuani= 0.310
English= 0.893 Russian= 0.107
Irish= 0.793 Italian= 0.207
Irish= 0.408 Hungary= 0.592
French= 0.374 Irish= 0.626
French= 0.607 Belorus= 0.393

again, essentially British with some Continental

Your results are very similar to my mother's, whose ancestry is like yours, with some German in addition.

Ahaddad
01-27-2014, 02:17 AM
I send my raw data to him and he dont reply yet. How long he make the study?

Mandoos
01-27-2014, 03:28 AM
I send my raw data to him and he dont reply yet. How long he make the study?

I don't know exactly, but best to be patient as the service is free and he is generous for doing it. Usually he responds within a day but if he doesn't it may take a couple of weeks. I sent mine in last week and am waiting.

I checked with a friend and he just got his results from sending it a month ago. It came with a response that he was very backlogged with requests and would only respond to ones that he was interested in or were urgent for the sender.

Stephen1986
01-27-2014, 05:43 AM
Your results are very similar to my mother's, whose ancestry is like yours, with some German in addition.

I have wondered if there is some ancestry from there or around there, but I haven't found anything genealogically.

ViktorL1
01-28-2014, 06:10 AM
1308130913101311

Repost, but I'm adding this to the thread :)

For genome:

The automated computer results are as follows.
Please read the attached .rtf file for an explanation of how to
interpret all the data and plots. Both can be misleading without interpretation.

Most likely fit is 12.7% (+- 4.1%) Europe (all Northeast Europe)
and 17.8% (+- 2.3%) Mideast (various subcontinents)
and 2.0% (+- 1.2%) E. Asia (various subcontinents)
and 67.5% (+- 1.4%) S. Asia (all Central Asia)

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
Chuvash= 0.124 Adygei= 0.199 Chukchi= 0.014 Hazara= 0.663 or
Russian= 0.090 Adygei= 0.200 Chukchi= 0.028 Hazara= 0.682 or
Chuvash= 0.192 Iranian= 0.155 Chukchi= 0.008 Hazara= 0.646 or
Russian= 0.144 Iranian= 0.152 Chukchi= 0.028 Hazara= 0.676 or
Chuvash= 0.194 Iranian= 0.147 Japanese= 0.000 Hazara= 0.659 or
Chuvash= 0.135 Adygei= 0.181 Mongolian= 0.000 Hazara= 0.684 or
Lithuania= 0.074 Adygei= 0.207 Chukchi= 0.033 Hazara= 0.686 or
Poland= 0.081 Adygei= 0.199 Chukchi= 0.034 Hazara= 0.687 or
Russian= 0.146 Iranian= 0.150 Yakut= 0.029 Hazara= 0.676 or
Russian= 0.094 Adygei= 0.193 Yakut= 0.024 Hazara= 0.689

A custom fit says

Adygei 0.2024 Brahui 0.0918 Uygur 0.5735 Selkup 0.1323 or
Adygei 0.1965 Balochi 0.1011 Uygur 0.5686 Selkup 0.1338 or
Adygei 0.2190 Sindhi 0.0896 Uygur 0.5573 Selkup 0.1341 or
Adygei 0.1995 Pathan 0.1104 Uygur 0.5621 Selkup 0.1280 or
Russian 0.0944 Iranian 0.1996 Hazara 0.6088 Selkup 0.0972 or
Lithuania 0.0779 Iranian 0.2042 Hazara 0.6094 Selkup 0.1085 or
Poland 0.0838 Iranian 0.1973 Hazara 0.6088 Selkup 0.1100 or
Chuvash 0.1501 Adygei 0.1968 Pathan 0.2730 Mongola_Chi 0.3802

other custom fits are possible but all give absolutely identical green map spots.
This is not terribly accurate due to the large distances, but yours is very far west
of the typical Kazakh, who test in western Outer Mongolia. A careful look
at the rotating plot shows you are off in the direction of Pakistan,
not India or Iran, from the Uygur.

Sapporo
01-28-2014, 02:08 PM
@Viktor

Based on your custom fit and assuming Hazara and Uygur are about 45-47% West Eurasian, I would say your results suggest you are about 57% West Eurasian (mostly Caucasus + Gedrosia like + prominent NE Euro) and the rest NE Asian, Siberian, etc. I think this fits with regards to your position in relation to the Hazara and Uygur average.

newtoboard
01-28-2014, 02:10 PM
@Viktor

Based on your custom fit and assuming Hazara and Uygur are about 45-47% West Eurasian, I would say your results suggest you are about 57% West Eurasian (mostly Caucasus + Gedrosia like + prominent NE Euro) and the rest NE Asian, Siberian, etc.

He has got to be atypical for Tajiks right?

Sapporo
01-28-2014, 02:15 PM
He has got to be atypical for Tajiks right?

Tajiks are clearly heterogeneous. The Yunusbayev Tajiks are about 81% West Eurasian on average according to Dodecad K12b with about 15-16% East Eurasian and 4-5% ASI. If Viktor posts his K12b results, I can make a comparison. However, based on the 5 Tajik samples from the new Afghan dataset (excluding 1 outlier so 4 samples), they are nearly 20% East Eurasian on average with 5-6% ASI. Individual variation is definitely there. Also, Viktor is from Northern Tajikistan I believe.

Pamiri Tajiks (not really Tajiks in the proper sense since they don't speak Tajik Farsi) are about 88% West Eurasian according to National Geno 2.0.

vettor
01-28-2014, 06:20 PM
Does anyone know what Doug refers to when using the terms:
Tuscan
and......
Italian

I have 2 different versions of what they actually mean

ViktorL1
01-29-2014, 05:29 AM
Repost, but it is relevant.

Here is my DODECAD k=12b:

19.90% Gedrosia
13.27% Siberian
0.05% Northwest_African
0.47% Southeast_Asian
3.06% Atlantic_Med
18.35% North_European
5.67% South_Asian
0.23% East_African
1.10% Southwest_Asian
23.06% East_Asian
14.84% Caucasus
0.00% Sub_Saharan

Sapporo
01-29-2014, 02:17 PM
Repost, but it is relevant.

Here is my DODECAD k=12b:

19.90% Gedrosia
13.27% Siberian
0.05% Northwest_African
0.47% Southeast_Asian
3.06% Atlantic_Med
18.35% North_European
5.67% South_Asian
0.23% East_African
1.10% Southwest_Asian
23.06% East_Asian
14.84% Caucasus
0.00% Sub_Saharan

I calculated your West Eurasian ancestry as 59.8% using Dodecad K12b. My McDonald guess was more of a guesstimate. Dodecad K12b is more precise but still a guess.

DMXX
01-29-2014, 11:34 PM
The discussion concerning the Harappa Project's comment disabling can now be found here (http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?1229-Harappa-Ancestry-Project/page3). Thank you.

Dimanto
01-30-2014, 02:46 AM
23andme raw data +/- 1 year ago:

Most likely fit is 65.9% (+- 17.4%) Europe (all Southern Europe)

and 34.1% (+- 17.4%) Europe (various subcontinents)

which is 100% total Europe

most likely at the top

Tuscan= 0.606 Hungary= 0.394 or

Tuscan= 0.800 Finland= 0.200 or

Tuscan= 0.734 Irish= 0.266 or

Tuscan= 0.790 Russian= 0.210 or

Tuscan= 0.751 Poland= 0.249 or

Italian= 0.395 Romania= 0.605 or

Tuscan= 0.791 Lithuania= 0.209 or

Tuscan= 0.748 Belorus= 0.252 or

Tuscan= 0.271 Romania= 0.729 or

Tuscan= 0.708 Germany= 0.292

http://s20.postimg.org/oiwmo5pc9/Pepijn_de_Boer_Full_20130615102952_BGA1.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/oiwmo5pc9/)

http://s20.postimg.org/q4bwfyzk9/Pepijn_de_Boer_Full_20130615102952_BGA2.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/q4bwfyzk9/)

http://s20.postimg.org/cwcin1215/Pepijn_de_Boer_Full_20130615102952_BGA3.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/cwcin1215/)

http://s20.postimg.org/rr1417bm1/Pepijn_de_Boer_Full_20130615102952_BGA4.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/rr1417bm1/)

http://s20.postimg.org/808vvc1vt/Pepijn_de_Boer_Full_20130615102952_BGA5.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/808vvc1vt/)

http://s20.postimg.org/dzwmyzmo9/Pepijn_de_Boer_Full_20130615102952_BGA6.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/dzwmyzmo9/)

Raw data from FTDNA +/- 1 year later:

Most likely fit is 62.4% (+- 9.5%) Europe (various subcontinents)

and 37.6% (+- 9.5%) Mideast (various subcontinents)



The following are possible population sets and their fractions,

most likely at the top

Germany= 0.520 Jewish= 0.480 or

Spain= 0.790 Adygei= 0.210 or

English= 0.543 Jewish= 0.457 or

French= 0.662 Jewish= 0.338 or

Hungary= 0.628 Jewish= 0.372 or

Irish= 0.485 Jewish= 0.515 or

Germany= 0.574 Sephardic= 0.426 or

Hungary= 0.676 Sephardic= 0.324 or

English= 0.596 Sephardic= 0.404 or

French= 0.761 Armenian= 0.239

Second most likely fit is 64.1% (+- 17.7%) Europe (all Southern Europe)

and 35.9% (+- 17.7%) Europe (various subcontinents)

which is 100% total Europe



The following are possible population sets and their fractions,

most likely at the top

Tuscan= 0.798 Finland= 0.202 or

Tuscan= 0.785 Russian= 0.215 or

Tuscan= 0.603 Hungary= 0.397 or

Tuscan= 0.733 Irish= 0.267 or

Sicily= 0.401 Hungary= 0.599 or

Tuscan= 0.749 Poland= 0.251 or

Tuscan= 0.259 Romania= 0.741 or

Sicily= 0.545 Irish= 0.455 or

Tuscan= 0.790 Lithuania= 0.210 or

Tuscan= 0.747 Belorus= 0.253



I also did a custom fit to Europe and parts of the Mideast and get

(likely more reliably)

English 0.5650 Spain 0.1010 Sephardic 0.3340 or

English 0.6312 Sephardic 0.3402 Armenian 0.0286 or

English 0.6313 Sephardic 0.3268 Cypriot 0.0419 or

English 0.6036 Italian 0.0508 Sephardic 0.3456 or

English 0.6291 Sephardic 0.3563 Georgian 0.0147 or

English 0.6205 Sicily 0.0501 Sephardic 0.3293 or

English 0.6147 Tuscan 0.0398 Sephardic 0.3456 or

English 0.6304 Sephardic 0.3614 Iranian 0.0082 or

Irish 0.3805 Spain 0.3186 Sephardic 0.3009 or

English 0.3648 Spain 0.3928 Jewish 0.1428 Georgian 0.0997 or

English 0.4192 Spain 0.3300 Jewish 0.1187 Armenian 0.1321 or

Irish 0.2547 Spain 0.5159 Jewish 0.1256 Georgian 0.1037 or

English 0.3454 Spain 0.4239 Jewish 0.1094 Iranian 0.1213 or

Irish 0.2939 Spain 0.4705 Jewish 0.0982 Armenian 0.1375 or

Irish 0.2386 Spain 0.5444 Jewish 0.0929 Iranian 0.1241 or

English 0.5045 Spain 0.1845 Sephardic 0.2589 Iranian 0.0520 or

English 0.5409 Spain 0.1373 Sephardic 0.2707 Armenian 0.0511 or

English 0.5330 Spain 0.1421 Sephardic 0.2926 Georgian 0.0322 or

Irish 0.3607 Spain 0.3531 Sephardic 0.2087 Armenian 0.0775 or

Irish 0.3519 Spain 0.3570 Sephardic 0.2410 Georgian 0.0502 or

Irish 0.3285 Spain 0.3958 Sephardic 0.2057 Iranian 0.0700 or

English 0.5699 Spain 0.0934 Sephardic 0.3109 Cypriot 0.0257 or

English 0.5990 Italian 0.0588 Sephardic 0.3097 Armenian 0.0324 or

English 0.5955 Italian 0.0604 Sephardic 0.3258 Georgian 0.0182 or

English 0.5873 Italian 0.0762 Sephardic 0.3140 Iranian 0.0226 or

English 0.6188 Tuscan 0.0297 Sephardic 0.3260 Armenian 0.0256 or

English 0.6127 Italian 0.0341 Sephardic 0.3245 Cypriot 0.0287

http://s20.postimg.org/72vhkonex/316951_autosomal_o37_results_BGA1.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/72vhkonex/)

http://s20.postimg.org/z5o25jjwp/316951_autosomal_o37_results_BGA2.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/z5o25jjwp/)

http://s20.postimg.org/l81amhwg9/316951_autosomal_o37_results_BGA3.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/l81amhwg9/)

http://s20.postimg.org/qyw2dytu1/316951_autosomal_o37_results_BGA5.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/qyw2dytu1/)

Dimanto
01-30-2014, 02:49 AM
He is a month behind schedule so he said to me. I think you'll have to wait a bit.


I send my raw data to him and he dont reply yet. How long he make the study?

Kraai
02-27-2014, 04:11 AM
Most likely fit is 78.7% (+- 27.6%) Europe (all Western Europe)
and 21.3% (+- 27.6%) Europe (various subcontinents)
which is 100% total Europe
1513
1514
1515
1516
1517

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
Spain= 0.125 Irish= 0.875 or
Irish= 0.912 Tuscan= 0.088 or
Irish= 0.935 Sicily= 0.065 or
French= 0.205 Irish= 0.795 or
Irish= 0.895 Italian= 0.105 or
Irish= 0.876 Romania= 0.124 or
Irish= 0.736 Hungary= 0.264 or
Spain= 0.201 Poland= 0.799 or
Irish= 0.578 English= 0.422 or
French= 0.314 Poland= 0.686

No Jewish, but 0.2% African.

British plus north or Eastern Europe.

------------------------------------------

I don't have any known Mediterranean ancestry... doesn't mean it's not there, of course, but I think that the population sets reflect Mediterranean because of the African and ME segments.

Alpine Hominin
02-27-2014, 06:43 AM
http://i1333.photobucket.com/albums/w630/Alpine_Hominin/Kyle_Epperson_Full_20140122155750BGA3_zps3d313db9. png (http://s1333.photobucket.com/user/Alpine_Hominin/media/Kyle_Epperson_Full_20140122155750BGA3_zps3d313db9. png.html)

http://i1333.photobucket.com/albums/w630/Alpine_Hominin/Kyle_Epperson_Full_20140122155750BGA2_zps82700498. png (http://s1333.photobucket.com/user/Alpine_Hominin/media/Kyle_Epperson_Full_20140122155750BGA2_zps82700498. png.html)

http://i1333.photobucket.com/albums/w630/Alpine_Hominin/Kyle_Epperson_Full_20140122155750BGA1_zpsf9432077. png (http://s1333.photobucket.com/user/Alpine_Hominin/media/Kyle_Epperson_Full_20140122155750BGA1_zpsf9432077. png.html)

The body of the email read "Everything says this is just plain English". The map with the colored dots he gave me had no dots, so I didn't bother posting. I'm not sure if the Dot Map was a mistake or just because I was assigned a single origin rather than possible mixes.

Nick Dean
03-14-2014, 07:46 PM
edit: Please ignore! I've figured it out.

**********

I *have* googled around for ten minutes or so, but now I have to ask like the class idiot:

McDonald wants my raw data in a zip file, so do I send him html files, word docs, or somehow get all this ...

intergenic 734462 rs12564807 A or G
AA
intergenic 752721 rs3131972 A or G
GG
intergenic 760998 rs148828841 A or C
CC
LOC643837, LOC100506327 776546 rs12124819 A or G
AG
LOC643837 787173 rs115093905 G or T
GG
intergenic 798959 rs11240777 A or G
AG

... kind of stuff into a spreadsheet?

Thanks, Dunce.

Agamemnon
05-17-2014, 09:58 PM
Most likely fit is 56.7% (+- 15.0%) Europe (various subcontinents)
and 43.3% (+- 15.0%) Mideast (various subcontinents)

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
Irish= 0.507 Sephardic= 0.493 or
Spain= 0.833 Iranian= 0.167 or
Poland= 0.488 Sephardic= 0.512 or
Irish= 0.450 Jewish= 0.550 or
Spain= 0.772 Adygei= 0.228 or
Lithuania= 0.435 Sephardic= 0.565 or
English= 0.502 Jewish= 0.498 or
Poland= 0.432 Jewish= 0.568 or
Germany= 0.481 Jewish= 0.519 or
French= 0.771 Palestinia= 0.229
Second most likely fit is 43.4% (+- 5.8%) Europe (various subcontinents)
and 56.6% (+- 5.8%) Europe (all Southern Europe)
which is 100% total Europe

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
Irish= 0.418 Sicily= 0.582 or
Poland= 0.400 Sicily= 0.600 or
Lithuania= 0.350 Sicily= 0.650 or
Hungary= 0.547 Sicily= 0.453 or
Belorus= 0.403 Sicily= 0.597 or
Germany= 0.448 Sicily= 0.552 or
English= 0.469 Sicily= 0.531

but a custom fit and some of the scatter plots makes it very clear that
there is a lot of Jewish (Ashkenazy) in there. A custom fit gives:
English 0.5320 Jewish 0.4165 Druze 0.0514 or
Russian 0.1534 Spain 0.5167 Jewish 0.3299 or
Irish 0.3830 Tuscan 0.2378 Jewish 0.3792 or
French 0.5938 Chuvash 0.0336 Jewish 0.3726 or
Irish 0.4403 Sicily 0.1859 Jewish 0.3739 or
Irish 0.3485 Italian 0.2566 Jewish 0.3948 or
English 0.5015 Sicily 0.0998 Jewish 0.3987 or
English 0.5260 Jewish 0.4080 Cypriot 0.0660 or
English 0.5225 Jewish 0.3693 Sephardic 0.1082

http://imageshack.us/a/img546/4981/cm7l.png
http://imageshack.us/a/img820/3851/eiwd.png
http://imageshack.us/a/img824/1272/kcxh.png
http://imageshack.us/a/img690/2253/xt9n.png

We're pretty much identical lol.

MJost
05-18-2014, 01:02 AM
Here is my last fall report. This report, I believe, makes the best representation of my genome.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0By9Y3jb2fORNeWFJOVN4RUdRQjQ/edit?usp=sharing

MJost

vettor
05-25-2014, 08:22 AM
It been nearly 2 years since I had doug look at my results and he gave me this

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/vicpret/233243-BGA1-2_zpsec40428b.png (http://s103.photobucket.com/user/vicpret/media/233243-BGA1-2_zpsec40428b.png.html)

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/vicpret/233243-BGA2-2_zps8dd55f4e.png (http://s103.photobucket.com/user/vicpret/media/233243-BGA2-2_zps8dd55f4e.png.html)

Is it worthwhile to get another one done ?

kenji.aryan
09-16-2014, 11:35 PM
Pathan 0.4653 N_India 0.4959 Lahu 0.0388 or
Pathan 0.4592 N_India 0.5030 Naxi 0.0378 or
Pathan 0.4601 N_India 0.5022 Yi 0.0377 or



http://i.imgur.com/GPJjKSbl.png
http://i.imgur.com/nRkr6pBl.png
http://i.imgur.com/szjbMTP.png
http://i.imgur.com/KcisH2d.png


Don't quote

Neo
12-16-2014, 11:53 AM
I like Dr Doug McDonald,I think his DNA analytics are the most concise. I think he needs to work on the East Asian components a little bit though.

Wulf Warrior
12-16-2014, 11:07 PM
The automated computer results are as follows.
Please read the attached .rtf file for an explanation of how to
interpret all the data and plots. Both can be misleading without interpretation.

Most likely fit is 100% English (Western Europe)
which is 100% total Europe
The location error = 0.005195 with 1 group

The following are possible populations,
most likely at the top:
English= 1.000

but a custom fit says

English 0.7906 Irish 0.2094 or
English 0.9841 Finland 0.0159 or
English 0.9991 Chuvash 0.0009

Polish/English does not fit. That does not means it is wrong ... it just means that
your English part is VERY exceptionally “English” in the direction opposite
Poland (opposite compared to the TYPICAL English we use as comparison.)
1/8 is within range.

Doug McDonald

3223

3224

3225

3226

Erik
12-17-2014, 01:13 AM
What's his email?

Salkin
12-17-2014, 09:24 AM
This page has it, though it also says he's limiting what requests he'll process lately:

http://www.isogg.org/wiki/McDonald's_BGA_project

vettor
12-17-2014, 05:25 PM
Does Doug McDonald do also 23andme ..........its for my son .........I am curious about this 0.5% mongolian in him

I have done mine via doug ( as noted in my signatature) but that was via Ftdna data

If he does....can someone state hie email address

SwampThing27
03-11-2015, 10:53 PM
These aren't new results, but thought I would add them to the thread anyways. Probably from a year ago or more. He couldn't tell me much other than Europe.

Most likely fit is 100% Europe (various subcontinents)

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
Poland= 0.781 Sicily= 0.219 or
Lithuania= 0.684 Sicily= 0.316 or
Poland= 0.715 Tuscan= 0.285 or
Irish= 0.814 Sicily= 0.186 or
Lithuania= 0.601 Tuscan= 0.399 or
Poland= 0.590 Romania= 0.410 or
Irish= 0.756 Tuscan= 0.244 or
Belorus= 0.784 Sicily= 0.216 or
English= 0.454 Hungary= 0.546 or
Irish= 0.638 Romania= 0.362


a better custom fit to teh Euro is

English 0.5011 Spain 0.3583 Finland 0.1406 or
Irish 0.4532 Spain 0.4678 Finland 0.0790 or
English 0.5262 Italian 0.3079 Finland 0.1659 or
English 0.1997 French 0.6717 Finland 0.1286 or
Irish 0.5270 Russian 0.0276 Spain 0.4454 or
Irish 0.4751 Italian 0.4140 Finland 0.1110

and is VERY nonspecific .. like 23andme, it can’t be accurately split by
my system ... all that matters is the average. Its 0.8% west African.

Gray Fox
03-11-2015, 11:10 PM
I've asked him to, but I really don't see it happening. I'd be willing to pay if he could set something like that up. That would definitely clear up a lot of the clutter I'm sure he has.

Gray Fox
03-11-2015, 11:14 PM
These aren't new results, but thought I would add them to the thread anyways. Probably from a year ago or more. He couldn't tell me much other than Europe.

Most likely fit is 100% Europe (various subcontinents)

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
Poland= 0.781 Sicily= 0.219 or
Lithuania= 0.684 Sicily= 0.316 or
Poland= 0.715 Tuscan= 0.285 or
Irish= 0.814 Sicily= 0.186 or
Lithuania= 0.601 Tuscan= 0.399 or
Poland= 0.590 Romania= 0.410 or
Irish= 0.756 Tuscan= 0.244 or
Belorus= 0.784 Sicily= 0.216 or
English= 0.454 Hungary= 0.546 or
Irish= 0.638 Romania= 0.362


a better custom fit to teh Euro is

English 0.5011 Spain 0.3583 Finland 0.1406 or
Irish 0.4532 Spain 0.4678 Finland 0.0790 or
English 0.5262 Italian 0.3079 Finland 0.1659 or
English 0.1997 French 0.6717 Finland 0.1286 or
Irish 0.5270 Russian 0.0276 Spain 0.4454 or
Irish 0.4751 Italian 0.4140 Finland 0.1110

and is VERY nonspecific .. like 23andme, it can’t be accurately split by
my system ... all that matters is the average. Its 0.8% west African.

How does this compare to your gedmatch paintings? From what I gather they are supposed to a similar admix utility that he employs..

SwampThing27
03-11-2015, 11:36 PM
I guess it depends on with Gedmatch calculator it is supposed to be similar to. I would say it fits the general bill of 50% NW, 25% NE and 25% South, but I think his Northeast numbers are more in line with my actual ancestry than 25% would be. Of the admixtures he listed I think the English + Spain + Finland is the best fit, but I don't have 35% Spanish ancestry, more like 35% various Southern Europe ancestry.

Caspian
03-18-2015, 06:18 PM
My 2 years old results are here.

First attempt
http://i.imgur.com/qQYq5bb.png
http://i.imgur.com/Kk683RP.png
http://i.imgur.com/HQBZ9zY.png

Second attempt
http://i.imgur.com/vaoQpIB.png
http://i.imgur.com/ie91HJp.png
http://i.imgur.com/u5P09EU.png
http://i.imgur.com/qffkI0k.png

There are Armenian + Iranian + Central Asian Turkic/or Mongolic mixtures in summary. His analysis is quite consistent for my ancestral history.

All of my known ancestors lived a nomadic lifestyle in that zone at the foothills of Mount Ararat.
http://i.imgur.com/G3G2LNG.png

vettor
03-18-2015, 06:29 PM
I must be unlucky, I am the only one I know that my coloured dots sit on top of each other

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/vicpret/233243-BGA3_zpsfeynm2tg.png (http://s103.photobucket.com/user/vicpret/media/233243-BGA3_zpsfeynm2tg.png.html)

Wulf Warrior
03-18-2015, 07:37 PM
I must be unlucky, I am the only one I know that my coloured dots sit on top of each other

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/vicpret/233243-BGA3_zpsfeynm2tg.png (http://s103.photobucket.com/user/vicpret/media/233243-BGA3_zpsfeynm2tg.png.html)


Mine are very close to being on top of one another...

4094

leonardo
03-18-2015, 11:36 PM
I must be unlucky, I am the only one I know that my coloured dots sit on top of each other

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/vicpret/233243-BGA3_zpsfeynm2tg.png (http://s103.photobucket.com/user/vicpret/media/233243-BGA3_zpsfeynm2tg.png.html)

My mother's are as well, just east of Luxembourg and Metz.

sweuro
03-19-2015, 12:24 AM
Mine is very simple, he told me 100% Spanish, and plotted me in Spain.

SwampThing27
03-19-2015, 01:47 AM
I must be unlucky, I am the only one I know that my coloured dots sit on top of each other

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/vicpret/233243-BGA3_zpsfeynm2tg.png (http://s103.photobucket.com/user/vicpret/media/233243-BGA3_zpsfeynm2tg.png.html)

Same here. Mine are so on top of each other that it is just one green dot in Northern France.

vettor
03-19-2015, 04:58 AM
Same here. Mine are so on top of each other that it is just one green dot in Northern France.

What does it all mean..............we who " have dots that sit on top of each other " means, we are so so so old in europe that they cannot predict our ancient genes!

Arbogan
03-19-2015, 02:38 PM
I tried finding my analysis but its lost. As far as i can remember. I got 100% iranian and he plotted me in esfahan (center of iran). I ended up in middle of the reference samples.

Bleuteufel
04-02-2015, 08:01 PM
My results awhile ago.

Most likely fit is 28.3% (+- 10.7%) Europe (various subcontinents)
and 24.4% (+- 10.1%) Europe (all Northeast Europe)
which is 52.7% total Europe
and 46.4% (+- 0.1%) Africa (all West African)
and 0.9% (+- 0.8%) S. Asia (various subcontinents)


dots in Germany, Sierra Leone, Eastern India, average Morocco

Stephen1986
04-02-2015, 09:44 PM
If I remember correctly, I did see some maps back when these results were given to me, but I don't have them anymore. I believe the spots were around SE England/Benelux/western Germany.


These are my results from 2011, I don't believe that I have posted them before.

Most likely fit is 76.4% (+- 15.5%) Europe (all Western Europe)
and 23.6% (+- 15.5%) Europe (various subcontinents)
which is 100% total Europe

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
Spain= 0.443 Lithuani= 0.557
French= 0.626 Lithuani= 0.374
English= 0.744 Belorus= 0.256
English= 0.818 Lithuani= 0.182
Irish= 0.876 Tuscan= 0.124
French= 0.252 Irish= 0.748
Irish= 0.602 Hungary= 0.398
Irish= 0.807 Romania= 0.193
Irish= 0.863 Italian= 0.137
English= 0.865 Russian= 0.135

This is either where the green dot says (Low Countries) or British with a
substantial Continental contribution.

And my brother -

Most likely fit is 71.4% (+- 17.2%) Europe (all Western Europe)
and 28.6% (+- 17.2%) Europe (various subcontinents)
which is 100% total Europe

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
English= 0.542 Hungary= 0.458
Irish= 0.806 Tuscan= 0.194
Irish= 0.685 Romania= 0.315
French= 0.690 Lithuani= 0.310
English= 0.893 Russian= 0.107
Irish= 0.793 Italian= 0.207
Irish= 0.408 Hungary= 0.592
French= 0.374 Irish= 0.626
French= 0.607 Belorus= 0.393

again, essentially British with some Continental

surbakhunWeesste
04-30-2015, 07:24 AM
This is my father's result, courtesy Sein.

This is the best fit he could get:

Iranian 0.5007 Burusho 0.2752 Sindhi 0.2241

So basically 50% Iranian, 25% northern Pakistani, and 25% southeastern Pakistani. But other fits also work great:

Iranian 0.4117 Burusho 0.3714 Makrani 0.2169
Iranian 0.4354 Balochi 0.2058 Burusho 0.3588
Iranian 0.4499 Brahui 0.1787 Burusho 0.3713
Iranian 0.4244 Burusho 0.1698 Pathan 0.4058
Armenian 0.2755 Burusho 0.4092 Makrani 0.3153
Georgian 0.2897 Hazara 0.0466 Pathan 0.6637

Waiting for more results, if Sein can find it.

surbakhunWeesste
04-30-2015, 08:08 AM
Pamiri Tajiks (not really Tajiks in the proper sense since they don't speak Tajik Farsi) are about 88% West Eurasian according to National Geno 2.0.

Pamiri Tajiks are real Tajiks as they come in a proper sense. There are Tajiks in Kandahar, Helmand... who speak Pashto as their first language.
Pamiri Tajiks are bilingual be it in Afghanistan, Tajikistan or Tajik-China Pamiris. Afghan Pamiri Tajiks speak dari/farsi, minimal Pashto along with their own Pamiri language based of region mostly Shughni followed by Wakhi, Yazgulyam along with other Pamiri languages. Same goes for Tajiki Pamiris who speak Farsi,Russian(in Tajikistan's Gorno-Badakshan)along with Yazgulyam also spoken by some Afghan Pamiris along with Iskhosimi(also spoken in some areas of Pakistan's Chitral region). Pamiri Chinese speak Sarikoli. The Afghan Pamiri Tajiks like calling themselves Badakshani.

paulgill
04-30-2015, 08:32 AM
Tajiks are clearly heterogeneous. The Yunusbayev Tajiks are about 81% West Eurasian on average according to Dodecad K12b with about 15-16% East Eurasian and 4-5% ASI. If Viktor posts his K12b results, I can make a comparison. However, based on the 5 Tajik samples from the new Afghan dataset (excluding 1 outlier so 4 samples), they are nearly 20% East Eurasian on average with 5-6% ASI. Individual variation is definitely there. Also, Viktor is from Northern Tajikistan I believe.

Pamiri Tajiks (not really Tajiks in the proper sense since they don't speak Tajik Farsi) are about 88% West Eurasian according to National Geno 2.0.
Your First Reference Population: Pamiri (Tajikistan)

This reference population is based on samples collected from people native to the Pamir Mountains of Tajikistan in southern Central Asia. As ancient populations migrated from Africa, they passed through Southwest Asia en route to India and Central Asia. This is the likely source of the 44% Southwest Asian in the Pamiri population, and links them to populations further south in the Indian subcontinent. The 22% Mediterranean component probably arrived with the spread of agriculture into Central Asia from the Fertile Crescent within the past 10,000 years. The 22% Northern European percentage represents more recent interaction with people of ultimately European origin, perhaps via the ancient Indo-Iranian-speaking steppe nomads of Central Asia, who are thought to have migrated into India around 3,500 years ago. Finally, the 10% Northeast Asian component was likely brought by the Turkic and Mongolian-speaking nomads from northeastern Asia who conquered this region in the past 2,000 years.

Pamiri (Tajikistan)

Southwest Asian
44%

Northern European
22%

Mediterranean
22%

Northeast Asian
10%

Arbogan
04-30-2015, 08:50 AM
Your First Reference Population: Pamiri (Tajikistan)

This reference population is based on samples collected from people native to the Pamir Mountains of Tajikistan in southern Central Asia. As ancient populations migrated from Africa, they passed through Southwest Asia en route to India and Central Asia. This is the likely source of the 44% Southwest Asian in the Pamiri population, and links them to populations further south in the Indian subcontinent. The 22% Mediterranean component probably arrived with the spread of agriculture into Central Asia from the Fertile Crescent within the past 10,000 years. The 22% Northern European percentage represents more recent interaction with people of ultimately European origin, perhaps via the ancient Indo-Iranian-speaking steppe nomads of Central Asia, who are thought to have migrated into India around 3,500 years ago. Finally, the 10% Northeast Asian component was likely brought by the Turkic and Mongolian-speaking nomads from northeastern Asia who conquered this region in the past 2,000 years.

Pamiri (Tajikistan)

Southwest Asian
44%

Northern European
22%

Mediterranean
22%

Northeast Asian
10%

Nat geo is crappy and unreliable. I wouldn't put too much weight on the results. Its like a 15k-20k snp test. Pamiris are more like 2-3% eurasian and 10% ENA If you count their asi related affinity. Theyre the closest modern population to sogdians genetically.

paulgill
04-30-2015, 09:14 AM
Nat geo is crappy and unreliable. I wouldn't put too much weight on the results. Its like a 15k-20k snp test. Pamiris are more like 2-3% eurasian and 10% ENA If you count their asi related affinity. Theyre the closest modern population to sogdians genetically.My response was to "Pamiri Tajiks (not really Tajiks in the proper sense since they don't speak Tajik Farsi) are about 88% West Eurasian according to National Geno 2.0." claim, and I posted Pamiri Tajik components from my Geno 2.0

Arbogan
04-30-2015, 11:18 AM
My response was to "Pamiri Tajiks (not really Tajiks in the proper sense since they don't speak Tajik Farsi) are about 88% West Eurasian according to National Geno 2.0." claim, and I posted Pamiri Tajik components from my Geno 2.0

Well. I'm not contesting that. Just generally mentioning that nat-geo is not accurate or reliable.

paulgill
04-30-2015, 11:22 AM
Well. I'm not contesting that. Just generally mentioning that nat-geo is not accurate or reliable.Geno 2.0 is a useless outdated test, I agree.

vettor
04-30-2015, 05:54 PM
Geno 2.0 is a useless outdated test, I agree.

Its value is that it tests every SNP it has and so you get only positive or negative SNP results and no SNP's which are known as "untested" like every other company does.

Mellow
04-30-2015, 06:51 PM
The standard analysis says 100% European, 100% Tuscan.

And that’s a good fit. However,

English 0.4634 Sephardic 0.5366 or
English 0.3213 Sicily 0.6787

also fits as well, so I can’t say which, though I think plain Italian is correct.

http://i59.tinypic.com/4tojn4.png

http://i59.tinypic.com/2gvsjle.png

http://i62.tinypic.com/34hi4qo.png

Sapporo
04-30-2015, 06:53 PM
Pamiri Tajiks are real Tajiks as they come in a proper sense. There are Tajiks in Kandahar, Helmand... who speak Pashto as their first language.
Pamiri Tajiks are bilingual be it in Afghanistan, Tajikistan or Tajik-China Pamiris. Afghan Pamiri Tajiks speak dari/farsi, minimal Pashto along with their own Pamiri language based of region mostly Shughni followed by Wakhi, Yazgulyam along with other Pamiri languages. Same goes for Tajiki Pamiris who speak Farsi,Russian(in Tajikistan's Gorno-Badakshan)along with Yazgulyam also spoken by some Afghan Pamiris along with Iskhosimi(also spoken in some areas of Pakistan's Chitral region). Pamiri Chinese speak Sarikoli. The Afghan Pamiri Tajiks like calling themselves Badakshani.

That's an old post. :)

Interesting that you consider them "real Tajiks as they come in a proper sense." As I'm sure you're aware, Tajik is simply a designation for the wide range of Persian speaking people of Central Asian Iranian origin in modern day Tajikistan, Afghanistan, Uzbekistan and western China (Xinjiang). Alternative names for Tajiks are usually Farsi as in ethnic Persian and Farsiwan or Persian-speaker.

Pamiris may be bi-lingual but I'm not sure if that supports the argument they are Tajiks in the proper sense since that identity is so fluid unlike the ethnic Pashtun identity. In essence, some might consider them proper Tajiks and others may not. It is debatable. I think what is most important is what they consider themselves. Also, aren't the Tajiks in Kandahar and Helmand that speak Pashto just Pashtunified since those are Pashtun majority provinces?

I think this is a good article/paper regarding Pamiri ethnic identity. Interesting article from the washingtonreview as well.

http://etd.lib.metu.edu.tr/upload/12607111/index.pdf

http://www.thewashingtonreview.org/articles/conflict-in-pamir-and-identity-politics.html

Also, correct me if I'm wrong but there is also debate on whether the Pamiri languages are considered dialects of the Tajik language among scholars and the Pamiri languages are classified as East Iranian, which makes them closer to Pashto rather than Tajik Dari/Farsi which is considered Southwestern Iranian.

There is also some interesting historic points with regards to the 1980s and 1990s when debate raged about the official status of the Pamiri languages in the republic of Tajikistan and after the independence of Tajikistan in 1991, Pamiri nationalism stirred and the Pamiri nationalist party Lali Badakhshan took power in Gorno Badakshan. This was followed by anti-government protests in Khorog with the republic declaring itself an independent country for some short time.

To add another interesting historical note, at one point in 1926 and 1937, the Soviet union censuses also counted Rushani, Shugni and Wakhis as separated nationalities and afterwards, they were required to register as Tajiks.

Finally, there are also some religious differences between Pamiris whom are primarily Nizari Ismaili Shia and the majority of Tajiks being Sunni Muslim. Whether you consider them a sub-ethnic identity among Tajiks or their own distinct group, they sure are an interesting group both historically and genetically.

This is a fairly off-topic post though. :biggrin1:

surbakhunWeesste
05-01-2015, 11:36 PM
[QUOTE]That's an old post. :)
Yes, it is. I came across it and thought it had to be addressed :)


Interesting that you consider them "real Tajiks as they come in a proper sense." As I'm sure you're aware, Tajik is simply a designation for the wide range of Persian speaking people of Central Asian Iranian origin in modern day Tajikistan, Afghanistan, Uzbekistan and western China (Xinjiang). Alternative names for Tajiks are usually Farsi as in ethnic Persian and Farsiwan or Persian-speaker.
Pamiris may be bi-lingual but I'm not sure if that supports the argument they are Tajiks in the proper sense since that identity is so fluid unlike the ethnic Pashtun identity. In essence, some might consider them proper Tajiks and others may not. It is debatable. I think what is most important is what they consider themselves.

Its not me considering them proper/improper Tajiks. Its what they are known as. The Wakhis relate much to Pashtuns in cultural and a bit linguistic sense, they are still called Tajiks. Never heard of proper/improper Tajiks, same goes for Pashtuns unlike the Khaleid Hoessin's fiction propagating nonsense OWD.
Farsiwan won't always mean persian speaking Tajiks in Afghanistan, the Hazaras have called themselves Farsiwan as well.


Also, aren't the Tajiks in Kandahar and Helmand that speak Pashto just Pashtunified since those are Pashtun majority provinces?

No, not true in entirety. Speaking pashto don't always mean being Pashtunfied. The major factor here is that they are not a part of the Pashtun tribal system. They have their own way of life. Every Pashtun in Kandahar and Helmand is a tribal Pashtun. We don't use the word tribal though.I am using it to make any non-pashtun/non Afghan understand the difference.


I think this is a good article/paper regarding Pamiri ethnic identity. Interesting article from the washingtonreview as well.

http://etd.lib.metu.edu.tr/upload/12607111/index.pdf

http://www.thewashingtonreview.org/articles/conflict-in-pamir-and-identity-politics.html

Also, correct me if I'm wrong but there is also debate on whether the Pamiri languages are considered dialects of the Tajik language among scholars and the Pamiri languages are classified as East Iranian, which makes them closer to Pashto rather than Tajik Dari/Farsi which is considered Southwestern Iranian.

There is much political agenda behind calling Pamiri a Tajik dialect in many sense. Its the culture, tradition, geographical location and Tajikistan's proximity to Badakshan that are behind calling Pamiri Tajiks and that is what they are and this can be debatable ofc. Nevertheless, they are Tajiks however, it must be noted that they have been issued an identity called "Pamiri", which will only make sense with respect to the geographic area that they belong to. It's like calling population of Kandahar as Kandahari: there are Pashtun, Tajik, Qizilbash, Hazara, Uzbek .... Kandaharis. Yet, all the Pamiris are clumped together because of the language they speak as well as their culture and tradition is similar.
Someone once told me, one of reason Pamiris are Tajiks is because they are not Pashtun or are turkic (this is in reference to Afghan Pamiris. This can be controversial. Neverthless, my experience with Pamiri Tajiks was that I found some Wakhi people to be very similar to Pashtuns in many ways. Yet, they are Pamiri Tajiks as the proper Tajiks can come.


There is also some interesting historic points with regards to the 1980s and 1990s when debate raged about the official status of the Pamiri languages in the republic of Tajikistan and after the independence of Tajikistan in 1991, Pamiri nationalism stirred and the Pamiri nationalist party Lali Badakhshan took power in Gorno Badakshan. This was followed by anti-government protests in Khorog with the republic declaring itself an independent country for some short time.

To add another interesting historical note, at one point in 1926 and 1937, the Soviet union censuses also counted Rushani, Shugni and Wakhis as separated nationalities and afterwards, they were required to register as Tajiks.


Yes, I have heard of it.


Finally, there are also some religious differences between Pamiris whom are primarily Nizari Ismaili Shia and the majority of Tajiks being Sunni Muslim. Whether you consider them a sub-ethnic identity among Tajiks or their own distinct group, they sure are an interesting group both historically and genetically.

This is a fairly off-topic post though. :biggrin1:

That's where the Farsiwan comes in, which can mean Shia-persian-speaking Tajik, though I have heard many other meanings as well, another example would be Tajik sunnis from Kandahar/Helmand (Southern Afghanistan) who actually speak Pashto as their first language being called as Farsiwan.

shazou
05-02-2015, 07:38 AM
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shazou
05-02-2015, 07:55 AM
My dad's results:

http://i.imgur.com/GKQEiXU.jpg
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MonkeyDLuffy
05-02-2015, 09:01 AM
Is it possible to get my data tested from them now? Or is it too late?

paulgill
05-02-2015, 09:43 AM
Is it possible to get my data tested from them now? Or is it too late?Don't know really, I had my 23andMe and Geno 2.0 done earlier though. Send him an email, see what happens.

BalkanKiwi
05-02-2015, 09:58 AM
Is it possible to get my data tested from them now? Or is it too late?

I sent an email to him last year in May and never heard anything back so don't get your hopes too high.

lifeisdandy
08-20-2015, 01:47 PM
Most likely fit is 39.4% (+- 3.5%) Mideast (all Bedouin)

and 46.5% (+- 7.1%) Mideast (all North Africa)

which is 85.9% total Mideast

and 14.1% (+- 4.3%) Europe (various subcontinents)



The following are possible population sets and their fractions,

most likely at the top

Bedouin_So= 0.355 Egyptian= 0.486 Sicily= 0.159 or

Bedouin_So= 0.371 Egyptian= 0.502 Tuscan= 0.127 or

Bedouin_So= 0.394 Egyptian= 0.492 Spain= 0.114 or

Bedouin_So= 0.380 Egyptian= 0.504 Italian= 0.116 or

Bedouin_So= 0.403 Egyptian= 0.498 French= 0.100 or

Bedouin_So= 0.464 Moroccan= 0.308 Sicily= 0.229

Sikeliot
09-14-2015, 07:02 AM
Me:


Most likely fit is 98.1% (+- 0.6%) Europe (all Southern Europe)
and 1.9% (+- 0.6%) Africa (various subcontinents)

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
Italian= 0.984 Mandenka= 0.016
Italian= 0.984 Yoruba= 0.016
Italian= 0.984 Bantu Ke= 0.016
Italian= 0.985 Bantu So= 0.015
Italian= 0.976 Ethiopia= 0.024
Italian= 0.970 Ethiopia= 0.030
Italian= 0.971 Ethiopia= 0.029
Italian= 0.981 Maasai= 0.019
Italian= 0.987 Biaka Py= 0.013
Italian= 0.990 Mbuti Py= 0.010


http://i58.tinypic.com/a2418g.png



Mother:


The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
English= 0.936 Mozabite= 0.064
Irish= 0.903 Moroccan= 0.097
English= 0.930 Moroccan= 0.070

This is more nearly pure English, but with 5% Ethiopian and 5% Jewish or 10% Jewish and 3% western African.


http://i58.tinypic.com/2lk3bpx.png

crossover
09-28-2015, 01:01 AM
does he still look at people's results? i'm curious what he would think of my mom, my aunt's, and grandpa's results.

Cinnamon orange
09-28-2015, 08:18 AM
does he still look at people's results? i'm curious what he would think of my mom, my aunt's, and grandpa's results.

I think he is most interested in non euro results to add to his database. If you are primarily euro with other admixture you want confirmation of, he may do it.

crossover
09-29-2015, 01:57 AM
I think he is most interested in non euro results to add to his database. If you are primarily euro with other admixture you want confirmation of, he may do it.

my grandpa's from mexico, and ancestry gives him only an estimated 56% euro if i recall correctly. I wanna see if he can determine a possible tribe his amerindian ancestors came from, or figure out if his estimated middle eastern(ME) percentages include moorish as well as sephardic/converso or is it just sephardic/converso. Considering my grandpa matches several askenazi jews on gedmatch in similar areas, i'm sure at least some of the ME is sephardic. there's family lore of some of our ancestors who came from spain were 'moors' and 'jews'. while i've seemed to confirm the sephardic part, i'm still unsure if the 'moorish' part is true or not.

crossover
10-01-2015, 04:41 PM
sorry to post again but what is mcdonald's working/active email address? i want to see if he's interested into looking at mexican/mestizo (mixed) dna.

vettor
10-01-2015, 10:13 PM
sorry to post again but what is mcdonald's working/active email address? i want to see if he's interested into looking at mexican/mestizo (mixed) dna.

http://www.isogg.org/wiki/McDonald's_BGA_project

crossover
10-02-2015, 01:26 AM
http://www.isogg.org/wiki/McDonald's_BGA_project

thanks

gruder
11-08-2015, 01:03 AM
Is Prof. McDonald still performing his BGA Analysis? I read he's only doing important ones but I don't really know the parameters of "important".

paulgill
11-08-2015, 01:12 AM
thanks

It won't be of much use to the non-Europeans, results be similar to 23andMe.

crossover
11-08-2015, 07:53 AM
It won't be of much use to the non-Europeans, results be similar to 23andMe.

eh he hasn't responded to my email anyways. so he may not be taking requests anymore

paulgill
11-08-2015, 07:59 AM
eh he hasn't responded to my email anyways. so he may not be taking requests anymore

You never know, I had them done from him a long time back, I think your case should be special, let him know your background and he may like to look into it.

paulgill
11-08-2015, 08:19 AM
This is what he said about mine:

23andMe

Most likely fit is 87.8% (+- 9.2%) S. Asia (all Pakistan)
and 12.2% (+- 9.2%) S. Asia (various subcontinents)
which is 100% total S. Asia

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
Pathan= 0.778 N_India= 0.222 or
Sindhi= 0.489 Pathan= 0.511 or
Pathan= 0.855 S_India= 0.145

and nothing more complicated is significantly better.

There are groups that, at 0 to 2%, do make it
a somewhat better fit: Turkish, Jewish (Ashkenazy or Sephardic),
Greek, Romanain, Bulgarian, etc. But that does not mean they are where the
Y chromosome came from. This is likely one of those coincidences
lost in history (in this case, of course, we can make a GUESS at WHAT history:
Alexander the Great.).

Doug


Geno 2.0

This analysis uses only 57785 markers and is quite noisy.

Most likely fit is 8.6% (+- 0.7%) Europe (all Northeast Europe)

and 91.4% (+- 0.7%) S. Asia (all Pakistan)


The following are possible population sets and their fractions,

most likely at the top

Finland= 0.085 Sindhi= 0.915 or

Russian= 0.089 Sindhi= 0.911 or

Lithuani= 0.076 Sindhi= 0.924 or

Chuvash= 0.096 Sindhi= 0.904


a custom fit gives


Georgian 0.0145 Pathan 0.7660 N_India 0.2195 or

Iranian 0.0303 Pathan 0.7405 N_India 0.2292 or

Pathan 0.7746 Sindhi 0.0371 N_India 0.1883 or

Pathan 0.8259 Sindhi 0.0465 S_India 0.1276 or

Georgian 0.0112 Pathan 0.8410 S_India 0.1478 or

Iranian 0.0214 Pathan 0.8269 S_India 0.1517


Doug McDonald

Erik
11-08-2015, 03:05 PM
Do you know if he's still doing this for people?

John Doe
11-08-2015, 03:25 PM
Do you know if he's still doing this for people?

No, I sent him since 2014 my raw data 3 times, and so far nothing. Apparently only people from from exotic background like native Peruvian ancestry will draw his attention, but someone who's N/W Euro (or Jewish for that matter) probably isn't going to get his attention.

gruder
11-08-2015, 04:56 PM
Darn, that sucks :( I sent him mine two days ago. I was hoping to get an analysis from him and not get DNA Tribes. I'll stick it out for a month or so, and if he doesn't reply I'll assume I didn't meet his criteria as "special". I am NW Euro so it wouldn't be a surprise he didn't like mine.
I did include my abnormal findings of Amerindian ancestry, but I'm afraid he'll think of me as one of those white people that swear family lore about their great-grandmother being a Cherokee Princess is true. :biggrin1:

I don't blame him, though. He's probably drowning in emails concerning his BGA Analysis.

crossover
11-09-2015, 03:30 AM
Darn, that sucks :( I sent him mine two days ago. I was hoping to get an analysis from him and not get DNA Tribes. I'll stick it out for a month or so, and if he doesn't reply I'll assume I didn't meet his criteria as "special". I am NW Euro so it wouldn't be a surprise he didn't like mine.
I did include my abnormal findings of Amerindian ancestry, but I'm afraid he'll think of me as one of those white people that swear family lore about their great-grandmother being a Cherokee Princess is true. :biggrin1:

I don't blame him, though. He's probably drowning in emails concerning his BGA Analysis.

eh he apparently didn't find my case special enough either event though my mom isn't predominently euro. or perhaps he doesn't take requests anymore.

samirchergui
01-24-2016, 10:01 PM
someone can tell me how to contact this dr

John Doe
01-24-2016, 10:17 PM
someone can tell me how to contact this dr

Unless you're of some unique native south American background don't bother, he won't reply.

samirchergui
01-24-2016, 10:28 PM
Unless you're of some unique native south American background don't bother, he won't reply.

thanks

Tjada
01-31-2016, 11:36 PM
Hi all,

I recently sent Dr. McDonald my rawdata to analyze, here are my results:

Most likely fit is 30.9% (+- 0.2%) E. Asia (all Ethnic E. Asian)
and 25.5% (+- 5.9%) E. Asia (all Southeast Asia)
which is 56.4% total E. Asia
and 43.6% (+- 6.1%) Oceania (all South Pacific)

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
Dai= 0.306 Malaysian= 0.200 Melanesian= 0.494 or
Dai= 0.308 Cambodian= 0.191 Melanesian= 0.501 or
Dai= 0.311 Malaysian= 0.318 Papuan= 0.372 or
Dai= 0.311 Cambodian= 0.309 Papuan= 0.379

A different analysis method (the graph with bars) says you fit Papuan better than Melanesian.

crossover
02-01-2016, 06:53 AM
Hi all,

I recently sent Dr. McDonald my rawdata to analyze, here are my results:

Most likely fit is 30.9% (+- 0.2%) E. Asia (all Ethnic E. Asian)
and 25.5% (+- 5.9%) E. Asia (all Southeast Asia)
which is 56.4% total E. Asia
and 43.6% (+- 6.1%) Oceania (all South Pacific)

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
Dai= 0.306 Malaysian= 0.200 Melanesian= 0.494 or
Dai= 0.308 Cambodian= 0.191 Melanesian= 0.501 or
Dai= 0.311 Malaysian= 0.318 Papuan= 0.372 or
Dai= 0.311 Cambodian= 0.309 Papuan= 0.379

A different analysis method (the graph with bars) says you fit Papuan better than Melanesian.
are these old results you didn't share here until now? just asking since he hasn't responded to my email i sent him months ago.

Tjada
02-01-2016, 08:31 AM
Yess, about 2/3 weeks ago. On 29 december 2015 I received my 23andme results and after that I mailed Dr.McDonald because of my high percentage of Oceanian....

psaglav
02-01-2016, 03:12 PM
We had communicated back in 2014. I just came accross this thread; here are my results &interpreation:


Most likely fit is 40.7% (+- 3.4%) Europe (various subcontinents)
and 59.3% (+- 3.4%) Mideast (all Turkish)

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
Hungary= 0.463 Turkish= 0.537 or
English= 0.401 Turkish= 0.599 or
Irish= 0.374 Turkish= 0.626 or
Germany= 0.390 Turkish= 0.610

Which actually is reasonable. We don’t have any reference panels between
Turkey itself and Italy, so the program has to make do with things
farther away.

But I can try a custom fit which gives a passavle fit with

Germany 0.4088 Turkish 0.5912 or
Hungary 0.4689 Turkish 0.5311 or
Poland 0.3706 Turkish 0.6294

which echoes the above, and superb fits with
Germany 0.3903 Chuvash 0.1252 Armenian 0.4844 or
Irish 0.3608 Chuvash 0.1318 Armenian 0.5074 or
English 0.3658 Chuvash 0.1567 Armenian 0.4775 or
Chuvash 0.1180 Hungary 0.4454 Armenian 0.4366 or
Russian 0.3660 Tuscan 0.2114 Armenian 0.4226 or
Germany 0.3837 Chuvash 0.0380 Turkish 0.5782 or
Romania 0.5756 Chuvash 0.1206 Armenian 0.3037

which is getting a Caucasus population. Its interesting that the
chromosome plots are picking up modest strength 8% India
but that does not show up, so it must be submerged in Armenia/Turkey.

7575

7576

nee4speed111
03-04-2016, 11:58 AM
This is very difficult!

The automatic results give:
Most likely fit is 31.3% (+- 1.3%) Mideast (all Bedouin)

and 44.4% (+- 1.4%) Mideast (all North Africa)

which is 75.7% total Mideast

and 24.3% (+- 2.8%) Europe (all Southern Europe)



The following are possible population sets and their fractions,

most likely at the top

Bedouin_So= 0.300 Egyptian= 0.430 Sicily= 0.270 or

Bedouin_So= 0.326 Egyptian= 0.459 Tuscan= 0.215



I tried several custom fits and get as the best:



Bedouin_Nor 0.5555 Egyptian 0.3513 Armenian 0.0933 or

Jewish 0.0567 Bedouin_Nor 0.7132 Egyptian 0.2301 or

Bedouin_Nor 0.5982 Iranian 0.0889 Egyptian 0.3129 or

Bedouin_Nor 0.5792 Egyptian 0.3227 Cypriot 0.0981



or some mix of those lines. (Vedouin North is plain Bedouins, Bedouin South is

Yemeni Bedouin).



Doug McDonald

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8043

8044

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nee4speed111
03-04-2016, 11:59 AM
8046

8047

crossover
03-04-2016, 06:17 PM
Yess, about 2/3 weeks ago. On 29 december 2015 I received my 23andme results and after that I mailed Dr.McDonald because of my high percentage of Oceanian....
i'm surprised, since he never responded to me period when i asked him to look at my grandpa's raw dna data, even though I mentioned i would only send raw dna data if he said he was willing to look at it, in order to not bombard him with more files. He still hasn't responded back in an email period. I'd like a response period regardless if it was a yes or no.

nee4speed111
03-07-2016, 03:12 AM
He generally doesn't respond if he won't do your DNA, I had to ask him twice because the first time he didn't respond.

jortita
05-28-2016, 11:18 PM
I would really appreciate if somebody could share Dr Mcdonalds's email address as he might find my results very interesting

tippy
05-28-2016, 11:58 PM
this was his email when i got my results

[email protected]

my results


It says you fit an average of 50% Palestinian and 50% either Turkish or Georgian or
Adygei. This probably means you are actually all from one place, and the spot on the
map of that is in the center of the Turkey-Syria border. You so show signs of
a small amount of old mixing (4-10 generations).950895099510

tippy
05-29-2016, 01:19 AM
Reading back through this thread his email is now: [email protected]

A lot of people have said he ignores new request unless they are exotic or remote enough for his tastes so hepefully he'll consider you exotic enough jortita.

jortita
05-29-2016, 02:06 AM
this was his email when i got my results

[email protected]

my results


It says you fit an average of 50% Palestinian and 50% either Turkish or Georgian or
Adygei. This probably means you are actually all from one place, and the spot on the
map of that is in the center of the Turkey-Syria border. You so show signs of
a small amount of old mixing (4-10 generations).950895099510

Thank you very much Tippy, do you start by sending him your results or informing on them, mine being only geno 2.0 next gen converted to ftdna or could I send him my dna.land results which are very mixed

tippy
05-29-2016, 08:06 AM
I just sent him my raw dna from 23andme. I'm assuming he takes ftdna files too. I'd send an email with a vague description of your ethnic background, a request for a plot/analysis and your ftdna raw data (don't bother with dna.land etc). Hopefully he'll get back to you but I have heard that he is more or less out of the game.

Good luck!

tippy
05-29-2016, 10:00 AM
The results i posted earlier were my moms from mid 2011 not mine (I just found out). His tests changed in 2011 so, for comparison, I've posted mom and my results from then.


Me early 2011



.
Your spot on the map is 30 miles north of Abu KAmal, Syria.

The program says you are 60% Palestinian, the rest Iranian,
with some Druze perhaps substituting for the Palestinian,
and Armenian/Georgian for the Iranian.

The chromosome painting is typical. The African may be recent
from Ethiopia; a new test says that you show signs of modest
mixing on a 10 generation time scale.



Me early 2011

https://i.imgur.com/hTmY61Z.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/TH0wamp.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/uhjL0kU.jpg


me late 2011




Most likely fit is 100% Mideast (various subcontinents)

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
Bedouin= 0.471 Georgian= 0.529
Palestin= 0.543 Iranian= 0.457
Egyptian= 0.369 Georgian= 0.631




me late 2011


https://i.imgur.com/eeJHJBG.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/t0CfXwQ.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/IjikmOS.jpg


Mom early 2011 is what was posted earlier.


Mom late 2011




Most likely fit is 54.8% (+- 6.0%) Mideast (all Druze/Palestinian)
and 45.2% (+- 6.0%) Mideast (various subcontinents)
which is 100% total Mideast

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
Palestin= 0.489 Turkish= 0.511
Palestin= 0.629 Adygei= 0.371
Palestin= 0.525 Georgian= 0.475

This is a case where you had best just look for the green spot on the map.

The chromosome plot really is saying that this person is on the
border of all three Euro-Mideast-S.Asia, as tiny biases in the
computer program make the plot all-red, all-violet or mostly gray.



Mom late 2011


https://i.imgur.com/kYN4tgk.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/rz410gT.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/sdNWOfs.jpg

tippy
05-29-2016, 10:06 AM
What's interesting is that his 'euro' segments changed a lot in 2011. Mom seems to have less african and more asian than me. She seems to be more of a northern druze with west shifting. I'm more in line with the southern druze but I have more iraq/iran east shifting.

jortita
05-30-2016, 04:03 AM
Thanks Tippy, I have sent him an email asking if he would be interested in analysing my data

crossover
05-31-2016, 03:16 PM
wonder what he defines as being 'exotic'(i hate that word tbh)?

tippy
05-31-2016, 03:45 PM
I would imagine it's NOT:

Ashkenazi Jews
Colonial Americans
Assyrians
Turks
Iranians
Most Northern Europeans (barring the Sami people)
Most Southern Europeans (except perhaps the Maltese)
Most South Asians
Mixed people (unless one of the sides is from a group he's interested in)
African Americans

The reason I say this is because I've seen plenty of Dr Mc D results for all of these groups so I'm guessing he no longer needs samples from them.

shazou
08-28-2016, 11:53 PM
My mom's results:

http://i.imgur.com/DW0h9Bf.jpg
...
http://i.imgur.com/jEGydcm.png

crossover
08-29-2016, 12:07 AM
I would imagine it's NOT:

Ashkenazi Jews
Colonial Americans
Assyrians
Turks
Iranians
Most Northern Europeans (barring the Sami people)
Most Southern Europeans (except perhaps the Maltese)
Most South Asians
Mixed people (unless one of the sides is from a group he's interested in)
African Americans

The reason I say this is because I've seen plenty of Dr Mc D results for all of these groups so I'm guessing he no longer needs samples from them.

what about mexican or other latin american groups?

kikkk
08-31-2016, 05:55 PM
Here my Dr J.Douglas McDonald results (I like to thank him for his attention) , could anyone please help me interpret my results since I'm novice to this stuff.
My known ancestry is:
1-Maternal side:
1 Sudanese great-grandfather and the other 3 great grandparents being Tunisian

2-Paternal side:
Supposedly North-European




The automated computer results are as follows.



Most likely fit is 65.1% (+- 0.7%) Europe (various subcontinents)

and 34.9% (+- 0.7%) Mideast (all North Africa)



The following are possible population sets and their fractions,

most likely at the top

Hungary= 0.645 Moroccan= 0.355 or

French= 0.658 Moroccan= 0.342

Second most likely fit is 85.4% (+- 4.4%) Europe (various subcontinents)

and 14.6% (+- 4.4%) Africa (various subcontinents)



The following are possible population sets and their fractions,

most likely at the top

Spain= 0.823 T-Ethiopia= 0.177 or

Spain= 0.823 A-Ethiopia= 0.177 or

Tuscan= 0.916 Mandenka= 0.084





A custom fit with just Mideast (including North Africa) and Europe fits

perfectly, even the sub-Saharan African parts (through North Africa).

English 0.5275 Sephardic 0.1643 Moroccan 0.3083 or

French 0.4388 Romania 0.2465 Moroccan 0.3147 or

French 0.6605 Bedouin_Sou 0.0358 Moroccan 0.3037 or

Irish 0.3557 Tuscan 0.3247 Moroccan 0.3197 or

French 0.6150 Moroccan 0.3104 Turkish 0.0746 or

English 0.4895 Sicily 0.2022 Moroccan 0.3083 or

French 0.6267 Iranian 0.0646 Moroccan 0.3086 or

Irish 0.4208 Sicily 0.2852 Moroccan 0.2940 or

Irish 0.4721 Sephardic 0.2317 Moroccan 0.2961 or

Italian 0.4640 Belorus 0.2298 Moroccan 0.3062

http://i65.tinypic.com/1sh7km.png
http://i66.tinypic.com/v3kkna.png
http://i64.tinypic.com/2vkkrgh.png
http://i65.tinypic.com/315mk48.png

I have 3 questions (could be dumb questions since I'm novice to this stuff so please excuse me)
1/Based on chromosome paintings could I infer the ethnicity of my hypothethical paternal progenitor (is he an European with some African admixture so he could be US?) I'm asking that because I noticed that there are some African segments next and on the same side of the European-segment-rich ''chromatid??'' (And that would hint for a possible US origin)
2/How come my 20. chromosome being mostly middle-eastern on both "chromatids"? (does that mean that my hypothethical paternal progenitor has a very middle-eastern-rich 20th chromosome?)
3/Also are my results in line with my known maternal ancestry of 25% Sudanese and 75% Tunisian, I'm suspecting that my scores dont fit very well with me being 12,5% Sudanese and 37,5% typical Tunisian because of my low SSA score (if I would assume that Tunisians are generally 15% SSA and Sudaneses are generally at least50% SSA, I would have expected something close to 12% SSA when I actuall have near 8,5% SSA) and perhaps my maternal grandmother family are a bit deviating (for some reason) from typical Tunisians?

Please take into account that on FTDNA I have near 50 pages of matches, most of them have British, German, Swedish and other Germanic surnames as well as few Finnic ones, in geni.com I have 4 matches 3 of them Swede and 1 Norwegian and actually the ftdna match I share with it the longest total CM (around 130 CM) has as matches peoples of Swedish surnames (and other Germanic names) with few ones having Finnic surnames.

http://i65.tinypic.com/308jkp4.png

sk8termom
12-02-2016, 01:52 AM
Dr. McDonald was kind enough to do Edwin's chart. Edwin is adopted from Guatemala and almost entirely NA12825

sweuro
12-02-2016, 01:39 PM
Here is my McDonald from back in the day (around 2011) :


Most likely fit is 100% Spain (Western Europe)

which is 100% total Europe

The location error = 0.008287 with 1 group



The following are possible population sets and their fractions,

most likely at the top

Spain= 1.000



Exactly as expected.



Doug McDonald


http://oi65.tinypic.com/mlpc3m.jpg


http://oi63.tinypic.com/292spjb.jpg


http://oi65.tinypic.com/x3a2bs.jpg

Exosuits
02-10-2017, 03:48 AM
Note that my current program does not do chromosome plots with Oceanic people,

so I used an older program for that. It does not show any real (the little green spot

on chromosome 6 is unreliable) Papuan or Melanesian on the autosomes, only on the X

chromosome. But both of those are known to be quite different from typical Polynesian.

My newer better program does still do Oceanic, but again with the proviso that

Melanesian or Papuan is not Polynesian.



Automated results give:



Melanesian= 0.266 Lahu= 0.734 OR

Melanesian= 0.275 Dai= 0.725



and a two diffwerent methods give



Euro Mideast S.Asia N.Amer. Africa E.Asia

assigns 0.0097 0.0000 0.0253 0.0000 0.0000 0.7401 Oce 0.2250

SVD -0.0605 0.0653 0.0110 -0.0035 -0.0176 0.7792 Oce 0.2261 Siberia 0.0284



So all are agreeing at 22 to 26% Oceanic (again, inaccurate because I have no Polynesian comparisons).

There is a bit of European in the 2% or less region.


Siberian is about 3%. Its a large number of small populations: Yakut, Chukchi, Buryat, Evenk, Selkup, and others.


I can’t send you the usual list of “scatter plots” since you are off scale on all the interesting ones, so you’ll just

have to look at the rotating one.



Doug McDonald



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chelle
02-10-2017, 04:00 AM
Here are mine, my dad's and my mom's from back in 2012.
Most likely fit is 96.4% (+- 0.8%) Europe (all Western Europe)
and 3.6% (+- 0.8%) Africa (all East African)

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
French= 0.957 T-Ethiop= 0.043 or
French= 0.957 A-Ethiop= 0.043 or
French= 0.967 O-Ethiop= 0.033 or
French= 0.976 Maasai= 0.024
Second most likely fit is 88.6% (+- 7.7%) Europe (all Western Europe)
and 11.4% (+- 7.7%) Mideast (various subcontinents)

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
French= 0.927 Egyptian= 0.073 or
French= 0.955 Bedouin = 0.045 or
French= 0.921 Bedouin= 0.079 or
French= 0.921 Palestin= 0.079 or
English= 0.714 Jewish= 0.286 or
French= 0.949 Moroccan= 0.051 or
English= 0.815 Palestin= 0.185 or
French= 0.891 Jewish= 0.109

I also tried a by-hand fit and get

English 0.6812 Belorus 0.0458 Jewish 0.2470 Mozabite 0.0260 or
English 0.6866 Lithuania 0.0354 Jewish 0.2517 Mozabite 0.0262 or
English 0.6907 Belorus 0.0453 Jewish 0.2564 Mandenka 0.0076 or
English 0.6905 Belorus 0.0453 Jewish 0.2568 Yoruba 0.0074 or
English 0.6969 Lithuania 0.0341 Jewish 0.2613 Mandenka 0.0076 or
English 0.6969 Lithuania 0.0340 Jewish 0.2617 Yoruba 0.0074

Most likely fit is 97.9% (+- 0.1%) Europe (all Western Europe)
and 1.4% (+- 0.2%) Africa (all East African)
and 0.7% (+- 0.1%) S. Asia (various subcontinents)

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
English= 0.978 T-Ethiop= 0.014 S_India= 0.008 or
English= 0.977 T-Ethiop= 0.015 N_India= 0.008 or
English= 0.978 A-Ethiop= 0.014 S_India= 0.008 or
English= 0.980 O-Ethiop= 0.012 S_India= 0.008 or
English= 0.979 O-Ethiop= 0.012 N_India= 0.009 or
English= 0.977 A-Ethiop= 0.015 N_India= 0.009 or
English= 0.978 T-Ethiop= 0.016 Hazara= 0.006 or
English= 0.979 T-Ethiop= 0.016 Sindhi= 0.005 or
English= 0.979 T-Ethiop= 0.016 Uygur= 0.005 or
English= 0.981 O-Ethiop= 0.013 Sindhi= 0.006

In both cases there are bits of real African of some sort. The India
is likely not real.

Doug McDonald
Most likely fit is 75.7% (+- 6.7%) Europe (all Western Europe)
and 24.3% (+- 6.7%) Mideast (various subcontinents)

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
French= 0.793 Palestin= 0.207 or
French= 0.663 Jewish= 0.337 or
French= 0.816 Bedouin= 0.184

It is clearly roughly 1/3 to ½ Jewish and the rest British/French.

Doug McDonald

firemonkey
02-10-2017, 04:21 AM
13939

13940


Most likely fit is 89.8% (+- 9.6%) Europe (all Western Europe)
and 10.2% (+- 9.6%) Europe (various subcontinents)
which is 100% total Europe


The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
Spain= 0.164 Irish= 0.836 or
French= 0.292 Irish= 0.708 or
Irish= 0.865 Tuscan= 0.135 or
English= 0.875 Russian= 0.125 or
Irish= 0.844 Italian= 0.156 or
English= 0.867 Finland= 0.133 or
French= 0.669 Finland= 0.331 or
English= 0.932 Chuvash= 0.068 or
Irish= 0.418 English= 0.582 or
Irish= 0.928 Sardinia= 0.072

Pop Finder (which is an early version of my program) got it right.

It is essentially English, but with some Continental European compensating for
a substantial Irish. Geno2 is over-interpreting the data. Yes, I see a small Native American
on chromosome 11 if I set my program to "speculative", which I consider to be "in the noise".

jpb
02-10-2017, 04:44 AM
Mine:
100% English with 0.12% African.
Dad's:
100% English with 0.24% African and 0.18% Native American.

jortita
02-10-2017, 09:56 AM
Does he still accept raw data including Ancestry DNA

Exosuits
02-15-2017, 08:52 AM
Does he still accept raw data including Ancestry DNA

Yes mine was via Ancestry raw data, done last year.

Hu Shang
03-09-2017, 08:39 PM
This result belongs to my hungarian grandfather.
We look mixed, some of more asian than european, so we tested with 23andme to see what is this.
The laboratory showed 1 long unbroken segment for me (indicates someone 7 generations ago) that I received from my grandfather and he has even 2 other longer asian segments (indicates someone 5 generations ago).
23andme painting:
https://s13.postimg.org/fm7erau87/kromosz_maelemz_s_papa.jpg
(The long segment on chromosome 2 is neither typical south asian, nor middle eastern. Only comes up in speculative mode. But it is similar to what I've seen by mongolians, uyghur chinese, yakuts or in other east-turkic people's composition. But when I check out with gedmatch chromosome painter it is obvious that it was a much longer segment that broke, just like his yakut segment on chromosome 11)

Dr. McDonald's painting (the lowest numbred one)
14451

All the gedmatch calculators show him an average siberian proportion (like 2-3%) which can be typical for a northeast romanian/ hungarian person. He has roots there. Plus a little extra and constant east asian - because of his long asian segments that comes from a recent ancestor.
Eurogenes K36 also shows 1,85 east asian percentage, as well as I know they sampled from chinese and koreans.
We found many distant relatives alongside the Amur river. This can not be accidental.

Dr. McDonald also gave the following possibilities:
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"Most likely fit is 97.1% (+- 0.4%) Europe (all Southeast Europe)
and 2.9% (+- 0.4%) E. Asia (various subcontinents)

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
Hungary= 0.970 Yakut= 0.030 or
Hungary= 0.969 Buryat= 0.031 or
Hungary= 0.963 Altai= 0.037 or
Hungary= 0.966 Mongola_Chinese= 0.034 or
Hungary= 0.974 Chukchi= 0.026 or
Hungary= 0.973 Mongolian= 0.027 or
Hungary= 0.973 Tu= 0.027 or
Hungary= 0.975 Japanese= 0.025 or
Hungary= 0.975 North_Han= 0.025 or
Hungary= 0.977 South_Han= 0.023"

My grandfather's grandfather is of italian ancestry. So his estimation has to be correct,

"I tried many custom fits and all will fit essentially perfectly with
three populations ... BUT ... they are HIGHLY varied!

The best example: ANY of the ones perlow are extremely good fits,

Italian 0.1346 Hungary 0.8320 Dolgan 0.0334 or
Tuscan 0.1045 Hungary 0.8635 Dolgan 0.0319 or
Sicily 0.0814 Hungary 0.8879 Dolgan 0.0307 or
Romania 0.2352 Hungary 0.7358 Dolgan 0.0290 or
Italian 0.1259 Hungary 0.8449 Yakut 0.0292 or
Romania 0.2284 Hungary 0.7459 Yakut 0.0256 or
Tuscan 0.0984 Hungary 0.8735 Yakut 0.0280 or
Sicily 0.0770 Hungary 0.8960 Yakut 0.0270"

drobbah
03-09-2017, 09:00 PM
How do you guys contact him? Via email or does he have a site?

kikkk
03-09-2017, 09:58 PM
How do you guys contact him? Via email or does he have a site?

I contacted him via his email: [email protected]

jortita
03-10-2017, 01:17 AM
Does he accept Ancestry DNA raw data, thank you

kevinduffy
03-10-2017, 02:29 AM
Does he accept Ancestry DNA raw data, thank you

And what about FTDNA raw data?

drobbah
03-14-2017, 07:00 AM
I got my results :biggrin1:

Most likely fit is 92.7% (+- 1.2%) Africa (all East African)
and 1.5% (+- 0.1%) Oceania (all South Pacific)
and 5.8% (+- 1.1%) Mideast (various subcontinents)
and 0.0% (+- 0.0%) Europe (various subcontinents)

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
O-Ethiopia= 0.939 Papuan= 0.014 Bedouin_So= 0.047 Chuvash= 0.001 or
O-Ethiopia= 0.939 Papuan= 0.014 Bedouin_So= 0.048 Hungary= 0.000 or
O-Ethiopia= 0.939 Papuan= 0.014 Bedouin_So= 0.047 Basque= 0.001 or
O-Ethiopia= 0.938 Melanesian= 0.016 Bedouin_So= 0.046 Hungary= 0.000 or
O-Ethiopia= 0.916 Papuan= 0.014 Moroccan= 0.070 Spain= 0.000 or
O-Ethiopia= 0.916 Melanesian= 0.016 Moroccan= 0.068 Chuvash= 0.000 or
O-Ethiopia= 0.915 Papuan= 0.014 Mozabite= 0.072 Poland= 0.000 or
O-Ethiopia= 0.915 Melanesian= 0.016 Mozabite= 0.069 Spain= 0.000

“O-Ethiopian” is Oromo which is

I did custom fits which resulted in

Papuan 0.0157 O-Ethiopian 0.8211 T-Ethiopian 0.1633 or
Papuan 0.0159 O-Ethiopian 0.8229 A-Ethiopian 0.1612 or
Moroccan 0.0691 Papuan 0.0159 O-Ethiopian 0.9151 or
Egyptian 0.0600 Papuan 0.0148 O-Ethiopian 0.9252

"A-Ethiopian is Amhara and T- is Tigray. The Papual is very stubbornsly there. If you look at
some of thew scatter plots you are out of range on some of them, in a geographically eastern
direction. This means there is some small amount of something Indian Ocean. Perhaps
related to Madagascar or the Andaman Islands.

You are just slightly atypical Oromo."
http://i.imgur.com/SIyi9tk.png
http://i.imgur.com/DJBSLuS.png

Theconqueror
03-14-2017, 11:07 AM
I think the guy is not interested in analyzing Europeans. I sent him an email twice and never received anything.



And what about FTDNA raw data?

Helgenes50
03-14-2017, 11:22 AM
I think the guy is not interested in analyzing Europeans. I sent him an email twice and never received anything.

He sent me mine in 2013
For my mother I never received anything

Most likely fit is 76.9% (+- 22.4%) Europe (all Western Europe)
and 23.1% (+- 22.4%) Europe (various subcontinents)
which is 100% total Europe

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
Spain= 0.219 English= 0.781 or
French= 0.443 English= 0.557 or
Spain= 0.296 Germany= 0.704 or
Spain= 0.562 Lithuania= 0.438 or
French= 0.795 Lithuania= 0.205 or
French= 0.555 Germany= 0.445 or
English= 0.838 Italian= 0.162 or
French= 0.685 Irish= 0.315 or
French= 0.725 Poland= 0.275 or
English= 0.916 Sicily= 0.084

a custom fit gives

English 0.7380 Italian 0.2620 or
English 0.7963 Tuscan 0.2037 or
English 0.7151 Spain 0.2849 or
English 0.4138 French 0.5862 or
English 0.8582 Sicily 0.1418 or
English 0.8941 Cypriot 0.1059 or
English 0.8035 Romania 0.1965 or
Irish 0.5489 Italian 0.4511 or
Irish 0.1607 French 0.8393 or
French 0.9707 Chuvash 0.0293 or
English 0.9194 Armenian 0.0806 or
French 0.9582 Finland 0.0418 or
French 0.9086 Germany 0.0914 or
Russian 0.0269 French 0.9731

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Deftextra
03-14-2017, 01:58 PM
Send mine Today. Got my results after a few hours:

Most likely fit is 58.6% (+- 7.2%) Africa (all East African)
and 24.3% (+- 2.1%) S. Asia (all India)
and 17.1% (+- 7.8%) Mideast (various subcontinents)

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
O-Ethiopia= 0.558 N_India= 0.272 Moroccan= 0.170 or
O-Ethiopia= 0.557 N_India= 0.276 Mozabite= 0.167 or
Maasai= 0.390 S_India= 0.211 Egyptian= 0.399 or
O-Ethiopia= 0.581 N_India= 0.255 Egyptian= 0.164 or
O-Ethiopia= 0.629 N_India= 0.248 Sephardic= 0.122 or
O-Ethiopia= 0.614 N_India= 0.248 Palestinia= 0.138 or
O-Ethiopia= 0.632 N_India= 0.245 Jewish= 0.122 or
O-Ethiopia= 0.637 N_India= 0.230 Armenian= 0.133 or
O-Ethiopia= 0.637 N_India= 0.219 Turkish= 0.145 or
O-Ethiopia= 0.625 S_India= 0.221 Jewish= 0.154

A custom fit gives:

Bedouin_Nor 0.3645 S_India 0.2055 Maasai 0.4300 or
Georgian 0.1753 S_India 0.1960 O-Ethiopian 0.6287 or
Iranian 0.2105 S_India 0.1683 O-Ethiopian 0.6212 or
Turkish 0.1634 N_India 0.2079 O-Ethiopian 0.6287 or
Armenian 0.1743 S_India 0.2010 O-Ethiopian 0.6247 or
Bedouin_Nor 0.4515 S_India 0.1945 Bantu_Kenya 0.3540 or
Turkish 0.1997 S_India 0.1760 O-Ethiopian 0.6244 or
Iranian 0.1735 N_India 0.2003 O-Ethiopian 0.6262

the chromosome painting gives

Euro: 0.14%
Mideast: 43.28%
S.Asia: 19.29%
N.Amer: 0%
Africa: 36.10%
E.Asia: 1.19%


"which does agree with the lists above, as Ethiopian itself appears as a
mix of Mideast and African on chromosome plots. The tiny E.
Asian, by itself, appears as from southern China or SE Asia.

Doug "

http://i67.tinypic.com/29fxys5.png


http://i68.tinypic.com/30v193c.png
http://i63.tinypic.com/2zhnwpf.png


Minor east-Asian:

http://i67.tinypic.com/zyh8r8.jpg


Painting:

http://i67.tinypic.com/nq6c6u.png

SWAHILLI_PRINCE16
03-14-2017, 02:12 PM
Does Mcdonald accept raw data more than once? because i sent him mine in 2014 and i would like to submit my rawdata again...

Angoliga
03-14-2017, 06:40 PM
I just emailed my raw data, hopefully I get a reply



I did custom fits which resulted in

Papuan 0.0157 O-Ethiopian 0.8211 T-Ethiopian 0.1633 or
Papuan 0.0159 O-Ethiopian 0.8229 A-Ethiopian 0.1612 or
Moroccan 0.0691 Papuan 0.0159 O-Ethiopian 0.9151 or
Egyptian 0.0600 Papuan 0.0148 O-Ethiopian 0.9252

"A-Ethiopian is Amhara and T- is Tigray. The Papual is very stubbornsly there. If you look at
some of thew scatter plots you are out of range on some of them, in a geographically eastern
direction. This means there is some small amount of something Indian Ocean. Perhaps
related to Madagascar or the Andaman Islands.

You are just slightly atypical Oromo."


I think that might be a part of the peculiarity we've been trying to confirm from this thread (http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?9831-Ancient-Eurasia-K6-Deducing-Traces-of-Back-to-Africa-Migrations)

- should be neat to see the results of other Africans in neighbouring regions and across the Sahara.

Tz85
03-14-2017, 08:59 PM
Just got back my moms results. Looks like Russian, and Sephardic are the best fit according to Doug. According to the plot, she is smack dab in the middle of Romanian, which is mostly the pull from Southern Italian, and Slavic, meeting in the middle. This analysis is spot on.


Most likely fit is 68% (+- 11%) Europe (various subcontinents)

and 32% (+- 12%) Mideast (various subcontinents)


The following are possible population sets and their fractions,

most likely at the top

French= 0.816 Iranian= 0.184 or

French= 0.783 Georgian= 0.217 or

Germany= 0.591 Jewish= 0.409 or

French= 0.773 Turkish= 0.227 or

Germany= 0.716 Druze= 0.284 or

Poland= 0.529 Jewish= 0.471 or

English= 0.615 Jewish= 0.385 or

French= 0.801 Armenian= 0.199 or

English= 0.737 Druze= 0.263 or

Lithuania= 0.464 Jewish= 0.536



A custom fit gives



Hungary 0.7479 Jewish 0.2521 or

Romania 0.9359 Jewish 0.0641 or

Germany 0.6305 Sephardic 0.3695 or

Hungary 0.7310 Sephardic 0.2690 or

Poland 0.5583 Sephardic 0.4417

Please note that Sicily never shows up. A different kind of test gives

Russian and Sephardic as best matches.



I think it is Slavic/Sephardic or Slavic/Sephardic/Ashkenazy.

kingjohn
03-15-2017, 05:39 AM
no answere from him :(
regards
adam

jortita
03-15-2017, 06:52 AM
I also emailed my data from a different email address from my regular email. I have emailed him previously and there was no response from him. I find it strange as given my mixed heritage, he should find my ancestry interesting

JFWinstone
03-15-2017, 10:16 AM
Just emailed him my data. He's already analysed my mother's data last year.

JFWinstone
03-15-2017, 10:24 AM
My mother's data

Most likely fit is 49.3% (+- 0.7%) Europe (various subcontinents)
and 12.0% (+- 0.5%) S. Asia (all India)
and 21.6% (+- 0.5%) E. Asia (various subcontinents)
and 17.2% (+- 0.1%) Africa (all West African)

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
Germany= 0.499 S_India= 0.116 South_Han= 0.213 Mandenka= 0.172 or
Germany= 0.486 N_India= 0.124 South_Han= 0.217 Mandenka= 0.173 or
Irish= 0.502 S_India= 0.119 South_Han= 0.208 Mandenka= 0.171 or
Irish= 0.488 N_India= 0.128 South_Han= 0.212 Mandenka= 0.172 or
English= 0.501 S_India= 0.115 South_Han= 0.214 Mandenka= 0.170 or
English= 0.487 N_India= 0.123 South_Han= 0.218 Mandenka= 0.171 or
Germany= 0.494 S_India= 0.114 North_Han= 0.221 Mandenka= 0.172 or
Poland= 0.503 S_India= 0.114 South_Han= 0.212 Mandenka= 0.172 or
Germany= 0.481 N_India= 0.122 North_Han= 0.225 Mandenka= 0.173 or
Poland= 0.490 N_India= 0.122 South_Han= 0.215 Mandenka= 0.173
I tried a custom fit and get

Irish 0.5003 S_India 0.0980 Bantu_Kenya 0.1755 Cambodian 0.1422 Japanese 0.0841 or
Irish 0.4873 N_India 0.1073 Bantu_Kenya 0.1761 Cambodian 0.1459 Japanese 0.0834 or
Poland 0.5096 S_India 0.0865 Bantu_Kenya 0.1755 Cambodian 0.1400 Japanese 0.0885 or
Irish 0.5004 S_India 0.0984 Bantu_Kenya 0.1761 Malaysian 0.1303 Japanese 0.0948 or
English 0.4978 S_India 0.0957 Bantu_Kenya 0.1745 Cambodian 0.1365 Japanese 0.0956 or
English 0.4849 N_India 0.1052 Bantu_Kenya 0.1750 Cambodian 0.1402 Japanese 0.0946 or
Irish 0.4873 N_India 0.1079 Bantu_Kenya 0.1767 Malaysian 0.1342 Japanese 0.0940 or
Poland 0.4983 N_India 0.0942 Bantu_Kenya 0.1760 Cambodian 0.1437 Japanese 0.0877

14540

Theconqueror
03-15-2017, 11:11 AM
I emailed him my data, twice, and I never heard of him. He must find my case boring :-)

kingjohn
03-15-2017, 01:00 PM
he is indid very strict
in the way he choose samples to anlayse or not .
regards
adam

JFWinstone
03-15-2017, 02:36 PM
So my mother's X chromosomes one is almost entirely East Asian which I'm sure came from her father so does that mean my grandfather's maternal line was likely East Asian origin? Or am I getting the wrong idea here? Unfortunately I don't know any of his family to get them tested and he passed away over a decade ago. :unsure:

Angoliga
03-15-2017, 03:50 PM
This was from ISGG - McDonald's BGA project (https://isogg.org/wiki/McDonald%27s_BGA_project) :

"As of June 2013 he has asked that requests should be limited to the more interesting and important cases. The following message has been received from Dr McDonald:


"I am being swamped by requests for BGA analyses. I simply can no longer accommodate all these requests. I am, at least for a while, going to continue providing them free, if people will limit themselves to sending only "important" ones. These include adoptees looking for answers and people whose commercial analyses provide strange answers to whether they have Native American, African or Jewish ancestry.

Note that the new 23andMe "Ancestry Composition" is, on a "continent" level, essentially as good as my system. FTDNA and Ancestry are much less accurate and if you tested with them and they missed expected small bits, I still can take a look. If you are Afro-(Euro)American and FTDNA said you are part Eastern European, I'll check that. Try to describe the question you need answered.

I am still looking for special people to test as comparisons, mostly people with Native American not from Central America.

In particular, I really can't keep up with requests from essentially 100% European people unless they have special questions such as possible Jewish or Roma.

Also, if you have parents their children, please send only parents. Some people have sent me large numbers of files. If these people send more, I can look at them only if they have very very special needs.

Finally, if you got my address from some Web forum, please copy the above occasionally, as I do not frequent these."

If you meet the qualifying criteria for Doug McDonald's project contact him at ."


Looks like it wouldn't hurt to plug any unique ancestry in your subject line.

I hope I get a reply, I sent my raw data yesterday afternoon (ET) but forgot to mention the Pygmy and odd ASI/E_Asian affinity I get on other calcs -- I did mention Uganda/Nilotic in the subject-line but he might've skimmed that figuring I'd closely cluster with other predominantly SSAs. From the looks of how other SSAs cluster on the BGA map, I don't think there's enough identified SSA markers to greatly distinguish between SSA populations

jortita
03-16-2017, 07:51 AM
How long does he usually take to generate the results, I sent my file yesterday morning, still to hear from him. Hope he has not ignored it like earlier emails

shazou
03-16-2017, 03:28 PM
I sent him my mother's data TWICE with two different emails, and he gave her results with the 2nd email the 2nd time only and ignored the first instance. I wrote something more persuasive sounding the 2nd time. :)

jortita
03-17-2017, 08:42 AM
Its been quite frustrating for me, he always ignores my requests and it seems to be the case again as well. I am really keen on having my ancestry results analysed through his model. I am even wondering whether I should send one of you my autosomal data and then request you to send it to him for analysis. Thank you