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btree
11-12-2020, 08:01 AM
I don't know much about the Sami people but from g25 plots it seems that they are pretty distant from Nordics.

Here is my own g25 PCA plot of Nordic samples plus Sami samples:
41112

My question is, since the Sami are so genetically different from other Nordics and Scandis, what do they score on 23andme and other commercial genetic testing companies?

CyrylBojarski
11-12-2020, 08:46 AM
I don't know much about the Sami people but from g25 plots it seems that they are pretty distant from Nordics.

Here is my own g25 PCA plot of Nordic samples plus Sami samples:
41112

My question is, since the Sami are so genetically different from other Nordics and Scandis, what do they score on 23andme and other commercial genetic testing companies?

They score Scandinavian with recent ancestor locations in north. 23andme does not have Finno-Ugric category. You can see Eastern Russians 23andme results who are mostly Finno-Ugric in origin score just Eastern European, so it is multi-ethnic category, just like Scandinavian I think, I agree it is weird they do not score Asian, because they should score it

Calamus
11-12-2020, 11:17 AM
I have some Sami ancestry. Here are a few of my 100% Sami matches on MyHeritage:
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Sami do score some Asian, usually we see a combination of Central Asian, Inuit, Chinese and Vietnamese. Also sometimes a trace of Central and South America.
MyHeritage has me as 100% Scandinavian, but other tests have shown some Central Asian (2-3%) and trace amounts of Chinese (>1%) in my genome.

Norfern-Ostrobothnian
11-12-2020, 11:37 AM
I think these services should take into account Sapmi, Volga-Ural and Siberia as genetic regions of importance, as they have many unique charasteristics. Arguably one could give nearly each ethnicity their own category among these regions.

btree
11-12-2020, 08:41 PM
I think these services should take into account Sapmi, Volga-Ural and Siberia as genetic regions of importance, as they have many unique charasteristics. Arguably one could give nearly each ethnicity their own category among these regions.

Agreed. Although 23andme does have a Siberian category and a few other distinct ethnic group categories, it still lacks quite a few.

CyrylBojarski
11-12-2020, 08:45 PM
Agreed. Although 23andme does have a Siberian category and a few other distinct ethnic group categories, it still lacks quite a few.

This Siberian category is Turkic. They do not have Finno-Ugric unfortunately

btree
11-12-2020, 08:47 PM
I have some Sami ancestry. Here are a few of my 100% Sami matches on MyHeritage:
4111341114411154111641117

Sami do score some Asian, usually we see a combination of Central Asian, Inuit, Chinese and Vietnamese. Also sometimes a trace of Central and South America.
MyHeritage has me as 100% Scandinavian, but other tests have shown some Central Asian (2-3%) and trace amounts of Chinese (>1%) in my genome.

Interessant. They seem to have their ancestry mostly pooled into the Finnish category rather than Scandinavian category although Finnish is another distinct genetic group isolate from others. I guess maybe Finnish is the closest proxy for Sami ancestry, or at least closer than Scandinavian? On the PCA plot you can see that the Sami samples are still clustered away from the Finnish samples...just kinda wish we had more Sami samples in the g25 datasheet to use.

btree
11-12-2020, 08:59 PM
This Siberian category is Turkic. They do not have Finno-Ugric unfortunately

I'm not well versed in the genetics of the Finno-Ugric peoples but perhaps their subgroups would be too genetically different for them to just be grouped into one category? I'd have to look into the distances between Hungarians, Finns, Sami, Estonians, etc. to be sure though.

Nino90
12-29-2020, 04:00 AM
I'm not well versed in the genetics of the Finno-Ugric peoples but perhaps their subgroups would be too genetically different for them to just be grouped into one category? I'd have to look into the distances between Hungarians, Finns, Sami, Estonians, etc. to be sure though.

A close relative of mine is 50% Saami papertrail.

Have around 9-10 % Siberian DNA. Score more Scandinavian than Finnish on Myhertitage.

But that person is of course just 50% Saami.

I know Gedmatch is outdated but here is the Eurogenes K13:



# Population Percent
1 Baltic 36.72
2 North_Atlantic 35.71
3 Siberian 9.75
4 West_Med 9.38
5 West_Asian 4.04
6 South_Asian 2.84
7 Red_Sea 0.67
8 Amerindian 0.38
9 Oceanian 0.26
10 Sub-Saharan 0.25

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southwest_Finnish 8.92
2 North_Swedish 10.67
3 Finnish 11.69
4 South_Polish 12.67
5 East_German 13.09
6 East_Finnish 13.24
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 13.56
8 Polish 13.84
9 Ukrainian 13.92
10 Hungarian 14.38
11 Estonian 14.48
12 Kargopol_Russian 14.59
13 Austrian 14.78
14 Swedish 15.45
15 Croatian 15.81
16 Russian_Smolensk 15.83
17 Estonian_Polish 15.93
18 Belorussian 15.98
19 Southwest_Russian 16.05
20 Ukrainian_Belgorod 16.9

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 64.7% Swedish + 35.3% Mari @ 3.94
2 73.5% North_Swedish + 26.5% Mari @ 4.08
3 60.9% Swedish + 39.1% Chuvash @ 4.65
4 60.9% Norwegian + 39.1% Mari @ 4.65
5 70.5% North_Swedish + 29.5% Chuvash @ 4.73
6 64.8% North_Swedish + 35.2% Tatar @ 4.84
7 56.8% Norwegian + 43.2% Chuvash @ 4.95
8 86.5% North_Swedish + 13.5% Selkup @ 4.99
9 85.1% Southwest_Finnish + 14.9% Afghan_Turkmen @ 5.12
10 59.8% North_Dutch + 40.2% Mari @ 5.15
11 86.5% North_Swedish + 13.5% Ket @ 5.2
12 54.2% Orcadian + 45.8% Chuvash @ 5.25
13 60.5% Danish + 39.5% Mari @ 5.25
14 91.8% Southwest_Finnish + 8.2% Yakut @ 5.25
15 89.2% Southwest_Finnish + 10.8% Altaian @ 5.36
16 92.3% Southwest_Finnish + 7.7% Evens @ 5.36
17 55.6% North_Dutch + 44.4% Chuvash @ 5.38
18 87.3% Southwest_Finnish + 12.7% Shors @ 5.38
19 56.3% Danish + 43.7% Chuvash @ 5.4
20 92.2% Southwest_Finnish + 7.8% Evenki @ 5.41

Amerismed
12-29-2020, 06:39 AM
That is interesting.

lana6765
12-29-2020, 01:57 PM
I have some Sami ancestry. Here are a few of my 100% Sami matches on MyHeritage:
4111341114411154111641117

Sami do score some Asian, usually we see a combination of Central Asian, Inuit, Chinese and Vietnamese. Also sometimes a trace of Central and South America.
MyHeritage has me as 100% Scandinavian, but other tests have shown some Central Asian (2-3%) and trace amounts of Chinese (>1%) in my genome.

Very interesting. Some of my Norwegian matches score up to 4% Asian (Inuit and Central Asian). I wonder if they have some Saami ancestry.

I do not think I am part Saami. To be fair, I do manage to pull off some Siberian in Eurogenes, but that could be ancient. But I could be wrong.

Nino90
12-29-2020, 02:32 PM
Very interesting. Some of my Norwegian matches score up to 4% Asian (Inuit and Central Asian). I wonder if they have some Saami ancestry.

I do not think I am part Saami. To be fair, I do manage to pull off some Siberian in Eurogenes, but that could be ancient. But I could be wrong.

Yes the Inuit and Central Asian in Scandinavians on Myheritage represent the Siberian admixture in Saami and Finns.

How much Siberian do you score?

lana6765
12-29-2020, 03:54 PM
Yes the Inuit and Central Asian in Scandinavians on Myheritage represent the Siberian admixture in Saami and Finns.

How much Siberian do you score?

I’ve never had Siberian on commercial tests. Only Scandinavian on MyHeritage and Finnish on FTDNA, which British people can often get.

In K13 I get 1.88% Siberian. Using scaled g25 I get 1.6 Cossack_Kuban, 0.5 Sakha (unscaled I get 3.2 Japanese, 1.8 Sakha). I don’t think it’s enough to say much, but it’s interesting that I have some fairly close matches in Norway who do score Central and North Asian.

Nino90
12-29-2020, 04:08 PM
Iíve never had Siberian on commercial tests. Only Scandinavian on MyHeritage and Finnish on FTDNA, which British people can often get.

In K13 I get 1.88% Siberian. Using scaled g25 I get 1.6 Cossack_Kuban, 0.5 Sakha (unscaled I get 3.2 Japanese, 1.8 Sakha). I donít think itís enough to say much, but itís interesting that I have some fairly close matches in Norway who do score Central and North Asian.


Here is mine Eurogenes K13 ( 23andme V5 chip )

I got 12.5% Saami admixture (Paper trail). On this forum I notice that some Irish members score small amounts of Saami like admixture, Siberian at noise levels.

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 46.13
2 Baltic 24.13
3 West_Med 15.9
4 East_Med 4.49
5 Siberian 3.98
6 West_Asian 3.5
7 Sub-Saharan 1.08
8 Amerindian 0.68
9 Red_Sea 0.07
10 Northeast_African 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Dutch 5.46
2 Southeast_English 6.18
3 Orcadian 6.67
4 West_German 6.84
5 Southwest_English 7.28
6 North_Dutch 7.8
7 North_German 7.98
8 Danish 7.98
9 Irish 8.38
10 West_Scottish 8.55
11 Norwegian 9.29
12 Swedish 10
13 French 10.22
14 Austrian 11.28
15 East_German 11.71
16 North_Swedish 13.79
17 Hungarian 15.58
18 Spanish_Cataluna 16.84
19 Southwest_French 17.5
20 Spanish_Galicia 17.93

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 93.2% Southeast_English + 6.8% Selkup @ 3.46
2 93.2% Southeast_English + 6.8% Ket @ 3.54
3 60.4% North_Swedish + 39.6% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.68
4 94.6% Southeast_English + 5.4% Dolgan @ 3.75
5 64.9% Swedish + 35.1% Southwest_French @ 3.79
6 95% Southeast_English + 5% Evens @ 3.82
7 94.9% Southeast_English + 5.1% Evenki @ 3.83
8 68.6% Swedish + 31.4% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.84
9 94.7% Southeast_English + 5.3% Yakut @ 3.86
10 65.9% Swedish + 34.1% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.86
11 87.3% Southwest_English + 12.7% Mari @ 3.89
12 69.7% Swedish + 30.3% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.93
13 94.5% Southeast_English + 5.5% Koryak @ 3.95
14 67.8% Swedish + 32.2% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.96
15 90% Southeast_English + 10% Mari @ 3.97
16 92.8% Southeast_English + 7.2% Hakas @ 3.99
17 84.5% Norwegian + 15.5% Sardinian @ 4
18 92.4% Southeast_English + 7.6% Shors @ 4.01
19 67.6% Swedish + 32.4% Spanish_Valencia @ 4.02
20 67.6% Swedish + 32.4% Spanish_Murcia @ 4.04

Tsakhur
01-03-2021, 04:29 PM
Interessant. They seem to have their ancestry mostly pooled into the Finnish category rather than Scandinavian category although Finnish is another distinct genetic group isolate from others. I guess maybe Finnish is the closest proxy for Sami ancestry, or at least closer than Scandinavian? On the PCA plot you can see that the Sami samples are still clustered away from the Finnish samples...just kinda wish we had more Sami samples in the g25 datasheet to use.

There are more Sami samples on G25 now. David recently added them.

J Man
01-03-2021, 05:05 PM
Yes the Inuit and Central Asian in Scandinavians on Myheritage represent the Siberian admixture in Saami and Finns.

How much Siberian do you score?

Do you know of a way to find the Siberian ancestry in Finns using G25 coordinates on vahaduo? I am 25% Finnish and I am quite interested in this.

Nino90
01-06-2021, 02:37 PM
Do you know of a way to find the Siberian ancestry in Finns using G25 coordinates on vahaduo? I am 25% Finnish and I am quite interested in this.

It will most often be hidden in your Finnish admixture.

Try an ancient model:


Anatolia_Barcin_N,0.1175998,0.180118,0.0035312,-0.101158,0.0510443,-0.0483875,-0.0043582,-0.0069334,0.0362287,0.0807473,0.0079718,0.0118803,-0.0234545,0.0004691,-0.0419807,-0.0101913,0.0233091,0.0019866,0.0136954,-0.0097489,-0.0142249,0.0057723,-0.0041232,-0.0031658,-0.0043437
Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N,0.108701,0.1731478,-0.0143308,-0.100534,0.0270818,-0.0402298,-0.0045828,-0.005019,0.02623,0.05745,0.008444,0.0080555,-0.0101832,0.0052298,-0.0352192,-0.0104748,0.0088662,0.0004432,0.005342,-0.0032828,0.0026827,0.0044515,-0.0071795,-0.0038258,-0.0045805
BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP,0.050765,-0.3095332,0.1206032,0.098515,-0.1156522,-0.017626,-0.284645,-0.3400012,-0.0136212,-0.0184422,0.002241,-0.003267,0.0004162,0.017478,-0.0065688,0.0064438,0.006493,-0.001267,0.0026898,0.003727,-0.0010482,0.007963,-0.002662,-0.0043378,0.001413
Dinka,-0.577083,0.0507765,-0.0003773,-0.0075098,-0.0053855,-0.0016735,-0.0176848,0.0204222,0.081145,-0.0969495,-0.02107,0.022742,-0.0383172,-0.0011698,0.0101452,-0.021347,0.0186125,-0.0094382,0.0241968,-0.0241678,0.002402,0.003308,0.001479,0.0009038,0.0 096995
ETH_4500BP,-0.511066,0.043668,0.000754,0.000969,-0.00277,-0.011435,0.050997,-0.045229,0.089172,-0.087838,-0.012991,-0.002997,-0.031219,0.000688,0.02158,-0.029965,0.027772,0.039273,0.00176,-0.009004,0.000374,0.006183,-0.003451,-0.00241,-0.000838
Gambian,-0.6064875,0.0671942,0.0197362,0.0114665,0.0021028, 0.0055777,-0.0358392,0.0387677,-0.0317353,0.0241463,0.0054132,-0.0036467,0.0162287,-0.0009865,0.011016,-0.0153362,0.009692,-0.0011823,-0.002116,-0.0032307,-0.001643,-0.0018137,0.0043958,-0.0001005,0.001377
Han,0.0206952,-0.4507105,-0.0082967,-0.0651579,0.0780846,0.0374475,0.0029055,-0.004804,-0.0150232,-0.0031146,-0.0495875,-0.0070573,0.0072707,-0.0081072,-0.0043305,0.0012535,0.0017542,-0.0008638,-0.0020455,-0.0102206,0.0122397,0.0069582,0.0141063,-0.0012925,-0.0022315
IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N,0.0430252,0.0664158,-0.1550722,0.0047158,-0.122669,0.0235384,0.017109,-0.0011998,-0.082546,-0.0544158,-0.0028258,-0.0016186,0.0044896,-0.0062756,0.0316498,0.0561384,-0.0054242,0.0068664,0.0136508,-0.0334162,0.00856,-0.028836,-0.0110678,-0.039331,0.0222254
IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2:I8728,0.033009,-0.081242,-0.184789,0.125325,-0.09848,0.06777,0.002585,0.007615,0.03661,0.02606,-0.002273,0.010041,-0.005798,0.006744,0.004479,0.001326,0.008605,0.001 267,0.00352,0.001376,0.003743,-0.004946,-0.00037,-0.00253,-0.007305
Jarawa,-0.0219821,-0.2430289,-0.1324164,0.0986968,0.0323713,-0.0045841,-0.01012,0.0065044,0.0546974,0.0238044,0.0228054,0. 0027349,-0.0041532,0.0103562,-0.0108067,-0.0114441,0.0094529,-0.0019082,-0.0062221,0.0286778,-0.0046401,0.0111366,-0.0123402,0.0022668,0.0049844
Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps,0.1013025,0.133034,-0.07071,-0.043605,-0.0498555,-0.0092035,0.008108,-0.011653,-0.066368,-0.01631,0.0030855,0.011015,-0.019846,0.005849,0.0042075,-0.0102095,-0.0001305,-0.003927,-0.001697,0.0032515,0.003494,-0.000247,-0.0036975,-0.0090975,-0.0030535
Levant_PPNB,0.072847,0.1639064,-0.0316026,-0.1361132,0.0332986,-0.0645352,-0.0134426,-0.0147684,0.0741604,0.03601,0.0188046,-0.0150764,0.035738,0.0025596,-0.0217696,0.006099,0.0098048,-0.0013176,-0.0047264,0.0188088,-0.001797,0.0071472,0.0008872,-0.0056874,-0.0037602
MAR_Taforalt,-0.189857,0.0814452,-0.0242866,-0.085595,0.027636,-0.0552202,-0.0705968,0.0184146,0.155397,0.003499,0.0209156,-0.0318316,0.0747168,-0.0513334,0.0711988,-0.0363032,0.0052676,-0.066106,-0.1424162,0.0389938,-0.0376836,-0.1255322,0.0730118,-0.0137606,0.0164534
Nganassan,0.0476917,-0.4066181,0.1557885,0.0023902,-0.1594452,-0.0882129,0.0285066,0.0433367,0.0310876,0.0128477, 0.1028569,0.0094115,-0.0040734,-0.0261619,-0.0219731,-0.0123307,-0.0010952,0.0134165,0.0268365,-0.0008505,0.0431363,-0.0118954,0.0336096,0.0003977,0.0135556
WHG,0.1246365,0.116278,0.184789,0.189279,0.1546445 ,0.0464355,0.0131605,0.0372675,0.0890705,0.017768,-0.0153455,-0.015811,0.0159065,-0.0030275,0.053338,0.0582065,0.00502,0.016343,-0.0093015,0.055589,0.0944585,0.0111905,-0.049607,-0.160866,0.0170045
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara,0.1259169,0.0887318,0.0428032,0 .1164425,-0.028236,0.045529,0.0036719,-0.002279,-0.0558095,-0.0715732,0.0009742,-0.0003934,-0.0019885,-0.025529,0.0362032,0.0160764,-0.0005869,-0.0012038,-0.0038966,0.0149446,-0.0022928,6.19e-05,0.0112925,0.0189332,-0.0039516
Yoruba,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0 .0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561, 0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246


I score 1.8 % in this model. In eurogenes K13 i score 3-4%.

Target: Nino_scaled
Distance: 3.5529% / 0.03552869
45.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
38.8 Anatolia_Barcin_N
14.4 WHG
1.8 Nganassan

CyrylBojarski
01-06-2021, 03:19 PM
Here is mine Eurogenes K13 ( 23andme V5 chip )

I got 12.5% Saami admixture (Paper trail). On this forum I notice that some Irish members score small amounts of Saami like admixture, Siberian at noise levels.

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 46.13
2 Baltic 24.13
3 West_Med 15.9
4 East_Med 4.49
5 Siberian 3.98
6 West_Asian 3.5
7 Sub-Saharan 1.08
8 Amerindian 0.68
9 Red_Sea 0.07
10 Northeast_African 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Dutch 5.46
2 Southeast_English 6.18
3 Orcadian 6.67
4 West_German 6.84
5 Southwest_English 7.28
6 North_Dutch 7.8
7 North_German 7.98
8 Danish 7.98
9 Irish 8.38
10 West_Scottish 8.55
11 Norwegian 9.29
12 Swedish 10
13 French 10.22
14 Austrian 11.28
15 East_German 11.71
16 North_Swedish 13.79
17 Hungarian 15.58
18 Spanish_Cataluna 16.84
19 Southwest_French 17.5
20 Spanish_Galicia 17.93

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 93.2% Southeast_English + 6.8% Selkup @ 3.46
2 93.2% Southeast_English + 6.8% Ket @ 3.54
3 60.4% North_Swedish + 39.6% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.68
4 94.6% Southeast_English + 5.4% Dolgan @ 3.75
5 64.9% Swedish + 35.1% Southwest_French @ 3.79
6 95% Southeast_English + 5% Evens @ 3.82
7 94.9% Southeast_English + 5.1% Evenki @ 3.83
8 68.6% Swedish + 31.4% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.84
9 94.7% Southeast_English + 5.3% Yakut @ 3.86
10 65.9% Swedish + 34.1% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.86
11 87.3% Southwest_English + 12.7% Mari @ 3.89
12 69.7% Swedish + 30.3% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.93
13 94.5% Southeast_English + 5.5% Koryak @ 3.95
14 67.8% Swedish + 32.2% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.96
15 90% Southeast_English + 10% Mari @ 3.97
16 92.8% Southeast_English + 7.2% Hakas @ 3.99
17 84.5% Norwegian + 15.5% Sardinian @ 4
18 92.4% Southeast_English + 7.6% Shors @ 4.01
19 67.6% Swedish + 32.4% Spanish_Valencia @ 4.02
20 67.6% Swedish + 32.4% Spanish_Murcia @ 4.04

Interesting 1% SSA you have

Bygdedweller
01-06-2021, 03:41 PM
Some Norwegian Saami have as much as ~25% Nganassan:

To fully appreciate the extent of Finnish and Sami ancestry, we quantified the extent of Asian ancestry per county (Supplementary Figure S1 & S2). We find a substantial extent of Asian ancestry (mean ~25%, Kautokeino), a size similar to that reported (42) in a single Sami sample (~25% Nganasan). To our knowledge, previous studies of the Sami in Finland report less Asian ancestry (~6%) (43), suggesting a more isolated Sami population in Norway.
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.20.000299v1.full

Nino90
01-06-2021, 04:03 PM
Some Norwegian Saami have as much as ~25% Nganassan:

Most of my Saami matches on gedmatch score around 15-22% Siberian.

The average Finn score 6% and eastern finns 8-10 %.

Nino90
01-06-2021, 04:03 PM
Interesting 1% SSA you have

It must be noise.

lana6765
01-06-2021, 05:57 PM
Here is mine Eurogenes K13 ( 23andme V5 chip )

I got 12.5% Saami admixture (Paper trail). On this forum I notice that some Irish members score small amounts of Saami like admixture, Siberian at noise levels.

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 46.13
2 Baltic 24.13
3 West_Med 15.9
4 East_Med 4.49
5 Siberian 3.98
6 West_Asian 3.5
7 Sub-Saharan 1.08
8 Amerindian 0.68
9 Red_Sea 0.07
10 Northeast_African 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Dutch 5.46
2 Southeast_English 6.18
3 Orcadian 6.67
4 West_German 6.84
5 Southwest_English 7.28
6 North_Dutch 7.8
7 North_German 7.98
8 Danish 7.98
9 Irish 8.38
10 West_Scottish 8.55
11 Norwegian 9.29
12 Swedish 10
13 French 10.22
14 Austrian 11.28
15 East_German 11.71
16 North_Swedish 13.79
17 Hungarian 15.58
18 Spanish_Cataluna 16.84
19 Southwest_French 17.5
20 Spanish_Galicia 17.93

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 93.2% Southeast_English + 6.8% Selkup @ 3.46
2 93.2% Southeast_English + 6.8% Ket @ 3.54
3 60.4% North_Swedish + 39.6% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.68
4 94.6% Southeast_English + 5.4% Dolgan @ 3.75
5 64.9% Swedish + 35.1% Southwest_French @ 3.79
6 95% Southeast_English + 5% Evens @ 3.82
7 94.9% Southeast_English + 5.1% Evenki @ 3.83
8 68.6% Swedish + 31.4% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.84
9 94.7% Southeast_English + 5.3% Yakut @ 3.86
10 65.9% Swedish + 34.1% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.86
11 87.3% Southwest_English + 12.7% Mari @ 3.89
12 69.7% Swedish + 30.3% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.93
13 94.5% Southeast_English + 5.5% Koryak @ 3.95
14 67.8% Swedish + 32.2% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.96
15 90% Southeast_English + 10% Mari @ 3.97
16 92.8% Southeast_English + 7.2% Hakas @ 3.99
17 84.5% Norwegian + 15.5% Sardinian @ 4
18 92.4% Southeast_English + 7.6% Shors @ 4.01
19 67.6% Swedish + 32.4% Spanish_Valencia @ 4.02
20 67.6% Swedish + 32.4% Spanish_Murcia @ 4.04

I think Irish people do often score noise levels of Amerindian and I’ve seen Siberian too. It may not mean anything in terms of modern DNA.

But I’d be interested to see how I am related to these matches. Maybe I’m part Norwegian, or maybe they’re part British/Irish. :)

Tsakhur
01-18-2021, 02:35 PM
This Viking Age sample from Norway seems to be Saami. Only 14.8% Anatolian_N and around 30% East Asian.

VK2020_NOR_North_VA_o1,0.104717,-0.079211,0.118039,0.079458,-0.034776,0,-0.00282,0.011307,-0.000205,-0.031527,0.033614,-0.010491,0.018583,-0.026699,-0.010043,0.003315,-0.012778,0.005448,-0.006536,-0.013506,0.0141,-0.001978,0.000986,0.002771,-0.00455

Target: VK2020_NOR_North_VA_o1
Distance: 4.1425% / 0.04142473
28.4 RUS_Karelia_HG
26.6 Nganassan
21.0 RUS_Khvalynsk_En
14.8 TUR_Barcin_N
4.8 VK2020_NOR_North_LN_HG
4.4 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N

Closest pops:
Distance to: VK2020_NOR_North_VA_o1
0.06462205 Saami
0.07825823 Udmurt
0.09102267 Bashkir
0.09144585 Mari
0.09373786 Besermyan
0.09925064 Chuvash
0.10650201 Yukagir_Forest
0.10727664 Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye
0.10972508 Tatar_Siberian
0.11115392 Saami_Kola
0.12145246 Mansi
0.12573201 Tatar_Kazan
0.12644533 Tlingit
0.12764787 Komi
0.13096755 Tatar_Lipka
0.13394601 Khanty
0.14319266 Tatar_Crimean_steppe
0.15108655 Ket
0.15129487 Tatar_Mishar
0.15879129 Nogai
0.16415093 Uzbek
0.16728275 Russian_Pinega
0.16890719 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
0.17105258 Turkmen
0.17678970 Tubalar

RVBLAKE
01-18-2021, 03:34 PM
Target: b Ancient Individuals
Distance: 5.8389% / 0.05838870
43.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
43.0 CAnatolia_Barcin_N
13.8 WHG

Distance to: b
0.17287158 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.18804999 Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
0.19977024 CAnatolia_Barcin_N
0.20317987 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
0.24385365 Levant_PPNB
0.33336787 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
0.33657033 WHG
0.39066218 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2:I8728
0.46735218 Jarawa
0.47618813 MAR_Taforalt
0.61862186 Han
0.62447310 Nganassan
0.67010629 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
0.67087548 ETH_4500BP
0.73127183 Dinka
0.74517650 Gambian
0.77094804 Yoruba

evon
01-19-2021, 01:39 PM
I don't know much about the Sami people but from g25 plots it seems that they are pretty distant from Nordics.

Here is my own g25 PCA plot of Nordic samples plus Sami samples:
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My question is, since the Sami are so genetically different from other Nordics and Scandis, what do they score on 23andme and other commercial genetic testing companies?

They are essentially a cousin population of Fins (same Iron age ancestry), so naturally they usually get assigned mostly Finnish % in most commercial calculations (they also tend to match Fins). But like Fins they have experienced their own genetic drift etc.. Both these populations also have north Asian ancestry, though north Saami have more than their Finnish cousins (other Saami groups, such as Lule and South Saami are likely to have less Asian, but more Scandinavian input)...

Calamus
01-19-2021, 02:19 PM
Here is a study of Sami DNA done by a 23andMe tester with some Sami ancestry.

https://www.saamidna.com/

boilermeschew827
01-20-2021, 11:56 PM
Yes the Inuit and Central Asian in Scandinavians on Myheritage represent the Siberian admixture in Saami and Finns.

How much Siberian do you score?

Out of curiosity, what about Polynesian or Malay/Filipino? I've been curious about far north populations with my Russian grandfather, he picks up 1-2% Malay/Filipino on MyHeritage - seemed odd for someone from the Baltic area. He had trace Polynesian on his initial Ancestry results (now just EE, Baltic, Finnish and Swedish), also odd for a NW Russian IMO. We both used to get trace Siberian on 23andMe, depends on the update.

I thought I heard/read somewhere Pacific populations could be a proxy for north populations, but I have not researched anymore - I could be totally wrong and it's just noise.