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lacreme
11-28-2020, 11:41 PM
My friend's mother. Non Paternity Event confirmed...Her father https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?22264-Greek-MyHeritage-Gedmatch-results-(7-8-Achaean-1-8-from-Lamia) doesn't show up among her relatives on myheritage and gedmatch shows zero matching DNA segments.
If you could help pinpointing the possible ancestry of her biological father it would be greatly appreciated :)

Her Myheritage results
https://i.imgur.com/uiFuxnx.jpg

G25 coordinates

ChrisMom_scaled,0.110408,0.14319,-0.013953,-0.039406,0.003077,-0.010877,-0.002585,0.003,-0.002863,0.008747,0.002111,0.01154,0.000595,0.0038 53,-0.0095,-0.012861,-0.007171,0.001774,0.002388,-0.007504,-0.010232,-0.00136,-0.000493,0.002892,-0.001557

ChrisMom,0.0097,0.0141,-0.0037,-0.0122,0.001,-0.0039,-0.0011,0.0013,-0.0014,0.0048,0.0013,0.0077,0.0004,0.0028,-0.007,-0.0097,-0.0055,0.0014,0.0019,-0.006,-0.0082,-0.0011,-0.0004,0.0024,-0.0013

Her ancient model provided by David Wesolowski
Target: ChrisMom_scaled
Distance: 2.8335% / 0.02833476
58.8 Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
23.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
14.4 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
1.4 MAR_Taforalt
1.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
0.8 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2

Her modern model
Distance: 1.8317% / 0.01831657
Target: ChrisMom_scaled | ADC: 0.5x RC
71.8 Greek_Crete
11.5 Ashkenazi_Ukraine
9.8 Greek_Thessaly
6.9 Kaitag

My friend's,her son,modern model in comparison
Distance: 1.4430% / 0.01443015
Target: Chris_scaled | ADC: 0.5x RC
71.9 Greek_Izmir
23.4 Italian_Abruzzo
4.7 Iranian_Mazandarani

lacreme
11-28-2020, 11:42 PM
Eurogenes K13


Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 29.86
2 West_Asian 21.24
3 West_Med 18.38
4 North_Atlantic 13.79
5 Baltic 9.91
6 Red_Sea 4.43
7 Oceanian 0.88
8 Northeast_African 0.78
9 East_Asian 0.45
10 South_Asian 0.19
11 Siberian 0.08
12 Amerindian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Central_Greek 6.44
2 East_Sicilian 7.61
3 South_Italian 8.27
4 Italian_Abruzzo 9.56
5 Ashkenazi 10.58
6 Greek_Thessaly 11.85
7 West_Sicilian 11.95
8 Sephardic_Jewish 12.7
9 Italian_Jewish 13.74
10 Turkish 13.79
11 Algerian_Jewish 13.86
12 Cyprian 14.02
13 Tunisian_Jewish 15.62
14 Lebanese_Muslim 15.95
15 Libyan_Jewish 16.35
16 Tuscan 17.14
17 Syrian 17.55
18 Bulgarian 18.58
19 Azeri 19.22
20 Assyrian 19.8

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 84.2% Central_Greek + 15.8% Abhkasian @ 2.22
2 79.5% Central_Greek + 20.5% Kurdish @ 2.25
3 83.4% Central_Greek + 16.6% Georgian @ 2.38
4 77.6% Central_Greek + 22.4% Armenian @ 2.4
5 64.2% Greek_Thessaly + 35.8% Armenian @ 2.47
6 81.8% East_Sicilian + 18.2% Abhkasian @ 2.47
7 77.6% Central_Greek + 22.4% Georgian_Jewish @ 2.53
8 76.3% Central_Greek + 23.7% Azeri @ 2.58
9 80.8% East_Sicilian + 19.2% Georgian @ 2.6
10 69.7% Central_Greek + 30.3% Turkish @ 2.62
11 80.8% Central_Greek + 19.2% Iranian @ 2.8
12 79.7% East_Sicilian + 20.3% Adygei @ 2.86
13 83% Central_Greek + 17% Adygei @ 3.03
14 77.5% East_Sicilian + 22.5% Kumyk @ 3.09
15 81.2% East_Sicilian + 18.8% North_Ossetian @ 3.1
16 80.9% Central_Greek + 19.1% Kumyk @ 3.12
17 64.1% Greek_Thessaly + 35.9% Georgian_Jewish @ 3.17
18 79.9% South_Italian + 20.1% Lezgin @ 3.18
19 75.8% South_Italian + 24.2% Kumyk @ 3.18
20 77.8% Central_Greek + 22.2% Assyrian @ 3.2

Eurogenes K13 4-Ancestors Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 29.86
2 West_Asian 21.24
3 West_Med 18.38
4 North_Atlantic 13.79
5 Baltic 9.91
6 Red_Sea 4.43

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Central_Greek @ 7.368545
2 East_Sicilian @ 8.698989
3 South_Italian @ 9.395629
4 Italian_Abruzzo @ 11.010869
5 Ashkenazi @ 12.235921
6 Greek_Thessaly @ 13.612007
7 West_Sicilian @ 13.748034
8 Sephardic_Jewish @ 14.474957
9 Turkish @ 15.553708
10 Algerian_Jewish @ 15.793295
11 Italian_Jewish @ 15.819071
12 Cyprian @ 16.121948
13 Tunisian_Jewish @ 17.699650
14 Lebanese_Muslim @ 18.093914
15 Libyan_Jewish @ 18.353344
16 Syrian @ 19.625025
17 Tuscan @ 19.774071
18 Bulgarian @ 21.281013
19 Azeri @ 21.776447
20 Assyrian @ 22.716997

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Georgian_Jewish +50% North_Italian @ 4.378345


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Algerian_Jewish +25% Bulgarian +25% Georgian @ 2.240195


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Bulgarian + Georgian + Italian_Jewish + Italian_Jewish @ 1.565589
2 Algerian_Jewish + Bulgarian + Georgian + Italian_Jewish @ 1.613589
3 Armenian + Cyprian + Italian_Abruzzo + Romanian @ 1.871550
4 Armenian + Central_Greek + Cyprian + Serbian @ 1.890242
5 Algerian_Jewish + Georgian + Italian_Jewish + Romanian @ 1.900835
6 Abhkasian + Bulgarian + Italian_Jewish + Italian_Jewish @ 1.925646
7 Armenian + Central_Greek + Central_Greek + Greek_Thessaly @ 1.928672
8 Abhkasian + Algerian_Jewish + Italian_Jewish + Romanian @ 1.944499
9 Armenian + Cyprian + Italian_Abruzzo + Serbian @ 1.949692
10 Armenian + Bulgarian + Cyprian + Tuscan @ 1.951809
11 Ashkenazi + Georgian + Greek_Thessaly + Italian_Jewish @ 1.976125
12 Abhkasian + Algerian_Jewish + Bulgarian + Italian_Jewish @ 1.983620
13 Armenian + Bulgarian + Central_Greek + South_Italian @ 2.018606
14 Georgian + Italian_Jewish + Italian_Jewish + Romanian @ 2.043825
15 Abhkasian + Italian_Jewish + Italian_Jewish + Romanian @ 2.049648
16 Armenian + Bulgarian + Cyprian + Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.081330
17 Armenian + Bulgarian + East_Sicilian + South_Italian @ 2.095779
18 Abhkasian + Algerian_Jewish + Italian_Jewish + Serbian @ 2.106808
19 Armenian + Bulgarian + South_Italian + South_Italian @ 2.127578
20 Armenian + Cyprian + Serbian + West_Sicilian @ 2.143631


Eurogenes K15

Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 28.39
2 West_Asian 20.81
3 West_Med 15.17
4 Atlantic 14.34
5 Eastern_Euro 6.76
6 Baltic 5.95
7 Red_Sea 3.93
8 North_Sea 2.98
9 Oceanian 0.82
10 Northeast_African 0.67
11 South_Asian 0.17

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Central_Greek 8.55
2 South_Italian 9.07
3 East_Sicilian 9.64
4 Italian_Abruzzo 10.29
5 Ashkenazi 10.58
6 Greek 11.01
7 Sephardic_Jewish 11.29
8 West_Sicilian 11.88
9 Italian_Jewish 12.53
10 Algerian_Jewish 13.2
11 Turkish 13.45
12 Cyprian 13.47
13 Greek_Thessaly 14.45
14 Tunisian_Jewish 14.55
15 Lebanese_Muslim 16.02
16 Tuscan 16.51
17 Syrian 17.84
18 Azeri 18.13
19 Bulgarian 18.14
20 Libyan_Jewish 18.16

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 66.5% Greek + 33.5% Georgian_Jewish @ 5.12
2 67.2% Greek + 32.8% Armenian @ 5.42
3 66.1% Greek + 33.9% Assyrian @ 5.57
4 56.4% Greek + 43.6% Turkish @ 5.69
5 69.6% Greek + 30.4% Kurdish_Jewish @ 6.04
6 54% West_Sicilian + 46% Turkish @ 6.09
7 68.5% Greek + 31.5% Kurdish @ 6.12
8 69.3% Greek + 30.7% Iranian_Jewish @ 6.19
9 71.6% Algerian_Jewish + 28.4% Kabardin @ 6.23
10 67.1% Central_Greek + 32.9% Turkish @ 6.24
11 71.9% Algerian_Jewish + 28.1% Adygei @ 6.27
12 73.3% Algerian_Jewish + 26.7% Chechen @ 6.3
13 66.4% West_Sicilian + 33.6% Kurdish @ 6.32
14 62% Greek + 38% Lebanese_Muslim @ 6.33
15 65.4% West_Sicilian + 34.6% Georgian_Jewish @ 6.33
16 65.8% West_Sicilian + 34.2% Armenian @ 6.35
17 82.1% South_Italian + 17.9% Adygei @ 6.35
18 77.8% Central_Greek + 22.2% Kurdish @ 6.39
19 82.1% South_Italian + 17.9% Kabardin @ 6.44
20 72% Algerian_Jewish + 28% Balkar @ 6.44

Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 4-Ancestors Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 28.39
2 West_Asian 20.81
3 West_Med 15.17
4 Atlantic 14.34
5 Eastern_Euro 6.76
6 Baltic 5.95
7 Red_Sea 3.93
8 North_Sea 2.98

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Central_Greek @ 9.961138
2 South_Italian @ 10.525737
3 East_Sicilian @ 11.158066
4 Italian_Abruzzo @ 12.036484
5 Ashkenazi @ 12.172205
6 Greek @ 12.802573
7 Sephardic_Jewish @ 12.900311
8 West_Sicilian @ 13.845321
9 Italian_Jewish @ 14.466788
10 Algerian_Jewish @ 15.134150
11 Turkish @ 15.157998
12 Cyprian @ 15.721894
13 Tunisian_Jewish @ 16.522459
14 Greek_Thessaly @ 16.881918
15 Lebanese_Muslim @ 18.389133
16 Tuscan @ 19.314936
17 Syrian @ 20.146688
18 Azeri @ 20.513281
19 Libyan_Jewish @ 20.635105
20 Bulgarian @ 21.167122

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek +50% Turkish @ 6.552390


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek +25% Kurdish +25% Sephardic_Jewish @ 5.910145


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Adygei + Algerian_Jewish + Algerian_Jewish + Greek @ 5.605893
2 Cyprian + Greek + Greek + Turkish @ 5.609314
3 Adygei + Algerian_Jewish + Greek + Sephardic_Jewish @ 5.750937
4 Armenian + Greek + Greek + Sephardic_Jewish @ 5.767347
5 Georgian_Jewish + Greek + Greek + Sephardic_Jewish @ 5.832431
6 Adygei + Algerian_Jewish + Greek + Tunisian_Jewish @ 5.842780
7 Greek + Greek + Kurdish + Sephardic_Jewish @ 5.910145
8 Algerian_Jewish + Algerian_Jewish + Greek + Kabardin @ 5.916052
9 Algerian_Jewish + Greek + Kabardin + Tunisian_Jewish @ 5.957953
10 Azeri + Cyprian + Greek + Greek @ 5.977612
11 Algerian_Jewish + Greek + Kabardin + Sephardic_Jewish @ 5.991188
12 Algerian_Jewish + Algerian_Jewish + Balkar + Greek @ 5.994613
13 Cyprian + Greek + Italian_Abruzzo + Turkish @ 6.008957
14 Algerian_Jewish + Balkar + Greek + Tunisian_Jewish @ 6.036027
15 Algerian_Jewish + Balkar + Greek + Sephardic_Jewish @ 6.041082
16 Georgian_Jewish + Greek + Greek + South_Italian @ 6.046682
17 Algerian_Jewish + Cyprian + Greek + Kabardin @ 6.067661
18 Cyprian + Greek + Turkish + West_Sicilian @ 6.087693
19 Adygei + Algerian_Jewish + Greek + Italian_Jewish @ 6.109005
20 Adygei + Greek + Sephardic_Jewish + Sephardic_Jewish @ 6.112390


Eurogenes K36


Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian 6.62 Pct
Basque -
Central_African -
Central_Euro 2.86 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 3.04 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 0.68 Pct
East_Med 17.93 Pct
Eastern_Euro 0.22 Pct
Fennoscandian -
French -
Iberian 9.5 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 14.53 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 13.38 Pct
North_African 0.1 Pct
North_Atlantic 1.57 Pct
North_Caucasian 11.81 Pct
North_Sea 4.98 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian 1.89 Pct
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 4.38 Pct
West_Med 6.53 Pct


Dodecad K12b


Dodecad K12b Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 38.51
2 Atlantic_Med 21.95
3 North_European 15.07
4 Southwest_Asian 10.31
5 Gedrosia 10.03
6 Northwest_African 1.86
7 East_African 1.1
8 East_Asian 0.69
9 South_Asian 0.46
10 Southeast_Asian 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 8.22
2 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 9.47
3 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 9.47
4 Greek (Dodecad) 9.82
5 Sicilian (Dodecad) 10.06
6 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 12.21
7 Turkish (Dodecad) 13.1
8 C_Italian (Dodecad) 14.4
9 Turks (Behar) 15.56
10 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 15.74
11 Cypriots (Behar) 15.94
12 O_Italian (Dodecad) 15.94
13 Tuscan (HGDP) 17.83
14 TSI30 (Metspalu) 19.24
15 Lebanese (Behar) 19.29
16 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 20.98
17 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 21.48
18 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 21.72
19 Druze (HGDP) 22.17
20 Syrians (Behar) 22.6

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 75.9% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 24.1% Lezgins (Behar) @ 1.68
2 74.9% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 25.1% Lezgins (Behar) @ 2.08
3 71.2% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 28.8% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) @ 2.1
4 72% Greek (Dodecad) + 28% Kurd (Dodecad) @ 2.2
5 75.7% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 24.3% Chechens (Yunusbayev) @ 2.2
6 72.3% Greek (Dodecad) + 27.7% Iranian (Dodecad) @ 2.46
7 71.6% Greek (Dodecad) + 28.4% Kurds (Yunusbayev) @ 2.48
8 73.8% Greek (Dodecad) + 26.2% Iranians (Behar) @ 2.49
9 70.1% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 29.9% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) @ 2.53
10 60.1% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 39.9% Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) @ 2.72
11 59.7% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 40.3% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 2.81
12 74.8% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 25.2% Chechens (Yunusbayev) @ 2.88
13 55.1% Turkish (Dodecad) + 44.9% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 2.93
14 59.4% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 40.6% Armenian (Dodecad) @ 3.04
15 50.6% Turks (Behar) + 49.4% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 3.08
16 52% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 48% Turks (Behar) @ 3.21
17 60.4% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 39.6% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) @ 3.39
18 69.7% Greek (Dodecad) + 30.3% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) @ 3.39
19 52.5% Turkish (Dodecad) + 47.5% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 3.58
20 75.9% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 24.1% Adygei (HGDP) @ 3.59

Dodecad K12b 4-Ancestors Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 38.51
2 Atlantic_Med 21.95
3 North_European 15.07
4 Southwest_Asian 10.31
5 Gedrosia 10.03
6 Northwest_African 1.86
7 East_African 1.10

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar @ 8.911816
2 S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 10.212852
3 Ashkenazi_Dodecad @ 10.249156
4 Greek_Dodecad @ 10.626523
5 Sicilian_Dodecad @ 10.866275
6 Sephardic_Jews_Behar @ 13.191711
7 Turkish_Dodecad @ 14.143388
8 C_Italian_Dodecad @ 15.579577
9 Turks_Behar @ 16.749475
10 Morocco_Jews_Behar @ 17.057165
11 O_Italian_Dodecad @ 17.404438
12 Cypriots_Behar @ 17.488953
13 Tuscan_HGDP @ 19.302769
14 Lebanese_Behar @ 20.652575
15 TSI30_Metspalu @ 20.868277
16 Bulgarian_Dodecad @ 22.952658
17 Uzbekistan_Jews_Behar @ 23.246414
18 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev @ 23.726151
19 Druze_HGDP @ 24.058651
20 Syrians_Behar @ 24.083488

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% O_Italian_Dodecad +50% Turks_Behar @ 3.065196


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Armenians_15_Yunusbayev +25% Bulgarians_Yunusbayev +25% Canarias_1000Genomes @ 1.905169


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Abhkasians_Yunusbayev + French_HGDP + Sicilian_Dodecad + Syrians_Behar @ 1.183163
2 Abhkasians_Yunusbayev + French_HGDP + Jordanians_Behar + S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 1.257407
3 Abhkasians_Yunusbayev + French_Dodecad + Sicilian_Dodecad + Syrians_Behar @ 1.291031
4 Adygei_HGDP + Jordanians_Behar + TSI30_Metspalu + Tuscan_HGDP @ 1.348310
5 French_Dodecad + Georgians_Behar + Sicilian_Dodecad + Syrians_Behar @ 1.352812
6 Abhkasians_Yunusbayev + French_HGDP + Jordanians_Behar + Sicilian_Dodecad @ 1.359106
7 French_HGDP + Georgians_Behar + Sicilian_Dodecad + Syrians_Behar @ 1.387283
8 Adygei_HGDP + Lebanese_Behar + N_Italian_Dodecad + S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 1.389649
9 Abhkasians_Yunusbayev + French_Dodecad + Jordanians_Behar + S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 1.422228
10 Chechens_Yunusbayev + Jordanians_Behar + Tuscan_HGDP + Tuscan_HGDP @ 1.438866
11 Chechens_Yunusbayev + Lebanese_Behar + North_Italian_HGDP + S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 1.444003
12 Druze_HGDP + Kumyks_Yunusbayev + O_Italian_Dodecad + TSI30_Metspalu @ 1.445124
13 Chechens_Yunusbayev + Lebanese_Behar + North_Italian_HGDP + Sicilian_Dodecad @ 1.462009
14 Adygei_HGDP + Jordanians_Behar + Tuscan_HGDP + Tuscan_HGDP @ 1.469890
15 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + Baleares_1000Genomes + Chechens_Yunusbayev + Druze_HGDP @ 1.472891
16 Abhkasians_Yunusbayev + French_HGDP + S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad + Syrians_Behar @ 1.476182
17 Adygei_HGDP + Lebanese_Behar + North_Italian_HGDP + S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 1.480511
18 French_HGDP + Georgians_Behar + Jordanians_Behar + S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 1.506606
19 Adygei_HGDP + C_Italian_Dodecad + Syrians_Behar + TSI30_Metspalu @ 1.507195
20 C_Italian_Dodecad + French_HGDP + Georgians_Behar + Jordanians_Behar @ 1.511317


MDLP K23b


MDLP K23b Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 36.43
2 European_Early_Farmers 23.05
3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 13.63
4 Near_East 9.66
5 South_Central_Asian 7.12
6 North_African 4.23
7 Ancestral_Altaic 3.57
8 Melano_Polynesian 0.94
9 Tungus-Altaic 0.48
10 Paleo_Siberian 0.35
11 Archaic_African 0.29
12 Austronesian 0.25

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) 4.23
2 Greek_Northwest ( ) 4.65
3 Sicilian_West ( ) 4.74
4 Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) 5.19
5 Sicilian_Siracusa ( ) 5.21
6 Sicilian_Agrigento ( ) 5.66
7 Sicilian_Trapani ( ) 6.2
8 Greek_Thessaly ( ) 6.34
9 French_Jew ( ) 6.42
10 Greek_Thessaloniki ( ) 6.62
11 Sicilian_East ( ) 6.71
12 Kosovar ( ) 6.73
13 Albanian_Tirana ( ) 7.02
14 Ashkenazi ( ) 7.12
15 Maltese ( ) 7.15
16 Sephardic_Jew ( ) 7.52
17 Bulgarian ( ) 7.57
18 Italian_Jew ( ) 8
19 Turk_Jew ( ) 8.08
20 Central_Greek ( ) 8.25

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 77.6% Cretan ( ) + 22.4% English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) @ 1.96
2 61% Cretan ( ) + 39% Italian_North ( ) @ 1.97
3 64% Cypriot ( ) + 36% English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) @ 1.98
4 55.4% Italian_North ( ) + 44.6% Cypriot ( ) @ 2
5 59.8% Cypriot ( ) + 40.2% Frisian ( ) @ 2.02
6 78.4% Cretan ( ) + 21.6% British ( ) @ 2.04
7 76.9% Cretan ( ) + 23.1% English_Kent_GBR ( ) @ 2.04
8 65% Cypriot ( ) + 35% British ( ) @ 2.11
9 78.3% Cretan ( ) + 21.7% Welsh ( ) @ 2.15
10 63.1% Cypriot ( ) + 36.9% English_Kent_GBR ( ) @ 2.15
11 74.5% Cretan ( ) + 25.5% Belgian ( ) @ 2.16
12 74.4% Cretan ( ) + 25.6% Frisian ( ) @ 2.19
13 78.2% Cretan ( ) + 21.8% CEU ( ) @ 2.2
14 77.8% Cretan ( ) + 22.2% French ( ) @ 2.21
15 59.9% Cypriot ( ) + 40.1% Belgian ( ) @ 2.21
16 80.2% Cretan ( ) + 19.8% Orcadian ( ) @ 2.25
17 76.1% Cretan ( ) + 23.9% English ( ) @ 2.31
18 64.9% Cypriot ( ) + 35.1% Welsh ( ) @ 2.32
19 89.3% Sicilian_Siracusa ( ) + 10.7% Tajik_Yagnobi ( ) @ 2.33
20 61.4% Cypriot ( ) + 38.6% Irish ( ) @ 2.36

MDLP K23b 4-Ancestors Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 36.43
2 European_Early_Farmers 23.05
3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 13.63
4 Near_East 9.66
5 South_Central_Asian 7.12
6 North_African 4.23
7 Ancestral_Altaic 3.57

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Sicilian_West_ @ 4.416378
2 Ashkenazi_Jew_ @ 4.498880
3 Sicilian_Siracusa_ @ 5.512610
4 Sicilian_Trapani_ @ 6.290894
5 Ashkenazi_ @ 6.335898
6 Sicilian_East_ @ 6.703057
7 Romanian_Jew_ @ 6.754878
8 Sicilian_Agrigento_ @ 6.962825
9 Central_Greek_ @ 7.522666
10 Greek_Athens_ @ 7.539959
11 Cretan_ @ 7.566172
12 Greek_ @ 7.829031
13 Maltese_ @ 8.058283
14 Greek_Peloponnesos_ @ 8.098638
15 Italian_Abruzzo_ @ 8.212624
16 Italian_South_ @ 8.286612
17 Greek_Phokaia_ @ 8.345196
18 Sicilian_Center_ @ 8.888746
19 Greek_Northwest_ @ 8.929196
20 French_Jew_ @ 9.296935

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Cypriot_ +50% Italian_North_ @ 2.549259


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Islands_ +25% Orcadian_ +25% Syrian_Jew_ @ 1.555858


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Greek_Islands_ + Greek_Islands_ + Orcadian_ + Syrian_Jew_ @ 1.555858
2 British_ + Greek_Islands_ + Greek_Islands_ + Syrian_Jew_ @ 1.665377
3 Greek_Islands_ + Greek_Islands_ + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR_ + Syrian_Jew_ @ 1.745009
4 British_ + Greek_Islands_ + Greek_Smyrna_ + Syrian_Jew_ @ 1.747217
5 English_Cornwall_GBR_ + Greek_Islands_ + Romanian_Jew_ + Syrian_Jew_ @ 1.757729
6 Iraqi_Chaldean_ + Italian_North_ + Italian_Piedmont_ + Romanian_Jew_ @ 1.769295
7 Assyrian_Iraqi_ + Italian_North_ + Italian_Piedmont_ + Romanian_Jew_ @ 1.769866
8 German-Volga_ + Greek_Islands_ + Italian_Abruzzo_ + Syrian_Jew_ @ 1.776920
9 Christian_Arabs_Israel_ + English_Cornwall_GBR_ + Italian_Piedmont_ + Turk_Kayseri_ @ 1.780310
10 Assyrian_Iraqi_ + Italian_North_ + Italian_Tuscan_ + Romanian_Jew_ @ 1.784263
11 French_ + Greek_Phokaia_ + Jew_Tat_ + Sicilian_Trapani_ @ 1.800098
12 Assyrian_Arzni_ + French_ + Greek_Phokaia_ + Sicilian_Trapani_ @ 1.803618
13 English_Cornwall_GBR_ + Greek_Smyrna_ + Italian_South_ + Syrian_Jew_ @ 1.805926
14 English_Cornwall_GBR_ + Greek_Islands_ + Italian_South_ + Syrian_Jew_ @ 1.811399
15 Georgian_Jew_ + Greek_Athens_ + Greek_Phokaia_ + Spanish_Extremadura_IBS_ @ 1.812500
16 Iraqi_Chaldean_ + Italian_North_ + Italian_Tuscan_ + Romanian_Jew_ @ 1.813295
17 French_ + Greek_Phokaia_ + Italian_Jew_ + Turk_Kayseri_ @ 1.815222
18 English_Cornwall_GBR_ + Greek_Smyrna_ + Romanian_Jew_ + Syrian_Jew_ @ 1.818436
19 English_Cornwall_GBR_ + Greek_Athens_ + Greek_Islands_ + Syrian_Jew_ @ 1.823348
20 Greek_Macedonia_ + Greek_Phokaia_ + Spanish_Valencia_IBS_ + Uzbekistani_Jew_ @ 1.823427

xripkan
11-29-2020, 02:14 AM
She plots between Crete and Smyrni but interestingly she is more Caucasus shifted than Crete in G25 and Eurogenes calculators. Her biological father seems to have Islander or Western Anatolian profile but possibly he has partly Mainlander and partly Cappadocian/Pontic Greek ancestry.

lacreme
11-29-2020, 10:10 AM
Could he fit in a NE Aegean, with or without extra Western Anatolian ancestry, profile ?
Around the area where she was born and raised there were and still are many Chiotes and Lesvians but also some from the other NE islands and some Western Anatolians too.

I recall seeing a few ( 3 or 4 ) gedmatch results from Chios on the *other* site and they had a range from almost thessaly-like to west asian shifted islander-like results .

Magnetic
11-29-2020, 11:45 AM
can you show eurogenes k12b results please ?

lacreme
11-29-2020, 11:58 AM
Eurogenes K12b

Western European 12.57 Pct
Siberian -
East African 1.17 Pct
West Central Asian 6.98 Pct
South Asian 0.61 Pct
West African -
Caucasus 27.76 Pct
Finnish -
Mediterranean 27.26 Pct
Southwest Asian 11.44 Pct
North European 11.18 Pct
East Asian 1.01 Pct

xripkan
11-29-2020, 01:58 PM
Could he fit in a NE Aegean, with or without extra Western Anatolian ancestry, profile ?
Around the area where she was born and raised there were and still are many Chiotes and Lesvians but also some from the other NE islands and some Western Anatolians too.

I recall seeing a few ( 3 or 4 ) gedmatch results from Chios on the *other* site and they had a range from almost thessaly-like to west asian shifted islander-like results .

It is quite possible. This is how she is modelled at Eurogenes K13 updated.


Distance: 86.1899% / 0.86189855
Target: chrismom | ADC: 0.25x RC
46.0 Greek_Chios
25.0 Greek_Istanbul
22.3 Greek_Crete
6.7 Chechen


Distance: 114.1592% / 1.14159186
Target: chrismom | ADC: 0.5x RC
52.0 Greek_Chios
39.0 Greek_Istanbul
9.0 Turkish_mixed

If I drop Greek Istanbul


Distance: 100.4104% / 1.00410427
Target: chrismom | ADC: 0.25x RC
40.0 Greek_Chios
24.3 Greek_Crete
13.9 Greek_Andros_Island
12.7 Greek_Macedonia_Thrace
9.1 Lezgin

lacreme
11-29-2020, 01:58 PM
Does Anyone know how to produce his father's approximate kit/results using my friend's and his mother's data ?


It is quite possible. This is how she is modelled at Eurogenes K13 updated.


Distance: 86.1899% / 0.86189855
Target: chrismom | ADC: 0.25x RC
46.0 Greek_Chios
25.0 Greek_Istanbul
22.3 Greek_Crete
6.7 Chechen


Distance: 114.1592% / 1.14159186
Target: chrismom | ADC: 0.5x RC
52.0 Greek_Chios
39.0 Greek_Istanbul
9.0 Turkish_mixed

If I drop Greek Istanbul


Distance: 100.4104% / 1.00410427
Target: chrismom | ADC: 0.25x RC
40.0 Greek_Chios
24.3 Greek_Crete
13.9 Greek_Andros_Island
12.7 Greek_Macedonia_Thrace
9.1 Lezgin

What kind of shifts the people comprising the Istanbul average have ?
The first and last model would be on point if the Greek_Istanbul+Chechen and Andros+Macedonia_Thrace+Lezgin respectively can make an acceptable proxy of her Milos+Karaburun (Καραμπουρνα) ancestry.

I've never seen a genetic result from Milos though

xripkan
11-29-2020, 02:24 PM
Does Anyone know how to produce his father's approximate kit/results using my friend's and his mother's data ?



What kind of shifts the people comprising the Istanbul average have ?
The first and last model would be on point if the Greek_Istanbul+Chechen and Andros+Macedonia_Thrace+Lezgin respectively can make an acceptable proxy of her Milos+Karaburun (Καραμπουρνα) ancestry.

I've never seen a genetic result from Milos though

Greek Istanbul is modelled as a Greek Mainlnder + extra West Asian. Andros is a proxy for Milos. About Karaburun it is difficult to tell. I have no idea about the genetic profile of the locals or what kind of migrations took place there.

JerryS.
11-29-2020, 03:47 PM
She plots between Crete and Smyrni but interestingly she is more Caucasus shifted than Crete in G25 and Eurogenes calculators. Her biological father seems to have Islander or Western Anatolian profile but possibly he has partly Mainlander and partly Cappadocian/Pontic Greek ancestry.

Eurogenes and G25 are from the same person so that explains thier leaning, but what data is used for her to plot differently? Why would she plot differently?

xripkan
11-29-2020, 03:59 PM
Does Anyone know how to produce his father's approximate kit/results using my friend's and his mother's data ?



What kind of shifts the people comprising the Istanbul average have ?
The first and last model would be on point if the Greek_Istanbul+Chechen and Andros+Macedonia_Thrace+Lezgin respectively can make an acceptable proxy of her Milos+Karaburun (Καραμπουρνα) ancestry.

I've never seen a genetic result from Milos though

I used the references from Ikaria and Samos that Greekscolar provided. It is possibly a proxy for Chios.

Distance: 1.4709% / 0.01470891
Target: ChrisMom_scaled | ADC: 0.5x RC
44.1 Ikaria/Samos
26.2 Greek_Crete
12.4 Ashkenazi_Ukraine
8.8 Kaitag
8.5 Greek_Thessaly

lacreme
11-29-2020, 11:20 PM
Could he (the biological father) possibly fit in an at least partial Paxoi/Kerkyra profile ?
Searching through his mother's family finder results on familytreedna there is one distant relative which lists on its ancestral surnames a person with ancestry from those islands... An old neighbor of her family happened to share the same surname AND ancestry...The children of whom used to play/be friends with my friend's mother and uncle back when they were kids..

Greekscholar
11-29-2020, 11:36 PM
The really high Greek/South Italian + a little Northern European + a bit of West Asian looks like a NE Aegean profile on MH to me. The only 100% Greek/Southern Italian folks I have seen were Ikarians, and my family scores from 75-90%.

If you want to PM me the GEDmatch kit number, I can compare to the lists I have for NE_Aegean islands. The cousin matches should tell the tale.

lacreme
11-29-2020, 11:51 PM
The really high Greek/South Italian + a little Northern European + a bit of West Asian looks like a NE Aegean profile on MH to me. The only 100% Greek/Southern Italian folks I have seen were Ikarians, and my family scores from 75-90%.

If you want to PM me the GEDmatch kit number, I can compare to the lists I have for NE_Aegean islands. The cousin matches should tell the tale.

PM sent
Thanks for your willingness to help

Greekscholar
11-30-2020, 12:51 AM
PM sent
Thanks for your willingness to help

PM sent back, we may be able to get somewhere with GEDmatch on this one.

Basic modeling seems to confirm what others are saying. You can see the mixture of island and mainland (but possible from NE Aegean-like admixture) with a shift towards Anatolia.

arget: ChrisMom_scaled
Distance: 0.8042% / 0.00804177 | ADC: 0.25x RC
65.6 Greek_Crete
22.8 Greek_Macedonia
11.6 Greek_Cappadocia

xripkan
11-30-2020, 03:40 PM
Eurogenes and G25 are from the same person so that explains thier leaning, but what data is used for her to plot differently? Why would she plot differently?

I didn't mean that she should plot differently. We are trying to figure out her biological father's autosomal and I just make some hypotheses.

digital_noise
11-30-2020, 10:52 PM
I don’t think G25 and Eurogenes being from the same person means anything. What does mean something is the samples used. If someone ran Eurogenes K13 and plotted the results they would plot one way, and that’s that because the sampling is static. But if someone tried to mimic a K13 with G25, they might use different samples for certain categories, thus possibly shifting the plot one way or another. How significant the shift is depends.