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MfA
02-24-2014, 01:43 PM
Yet another nail in the coffin of the Khazar theory after Rootsi el al., can't believe there are people still parroting same story..

Anyway looking at the PCA plots from study, 3 out of 10 Kurdish Jews cluster with Kazakhstan Kurds.. Although samples are collected in Israel, If only we'd have more information which city they descend from Kurdistan, I'd speculate those cluster with Kurds are from mountainous parts.

http://abload.de/img/111gjp5a.png

Cline analysis, KurJ in Levant-Kurdish cline shifting slightly towards Georgia or Iran depending source population (Samaritans or Lebanese)
http://abload.de/img/desktop_2014_02_24_154urng.png
http://abload.de/img/desktop_2014_02_24_15pbrew.png

Humanist
02-24-2014, 08:47 PM
Cline analysis, KurJ in Levant-Kurdish cline shifting slightly towards Georgia or Iran depending source population (Samaritans or Lebanese)

From everything I have seen, Samaritans/Lebanese are not the principal source populations for any of the Eastern Mizrahim.

Here is a plot from Eurogenes, for the specific area in question, including samples from the most recent study:

http://i1096.photobucket.com/albums/g326/dok101/Faces/eurogenes_behar.jpg

parasar
02-25-2014, 10:29 PM
Yet another nail in the coffin of the Khazar theory after Rootsi el al., can't believe there are people still parroting same story..

Anyway looking at the PCA plots from study, 3 out of 10 Kurdish Jews cluster with Kazakhstan Kurds.. Although samples are collected in Israel, If only we'd have more information which city they descend from Kurdistan, I'd speculate those cluster with Kurds are from mountainous parts.
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First, the paper says: "Because the Khazar population has left no obvious modern descendants that could enable a clear test for a contribution to Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry, the Khazar hypothesis has been difficult to examine using genetics"
So then can we just discard a theory just based on proxies. At best the Khazar theory is not proven.

Second, mainly the R and Q Y lines were attributed to Khazars, and after living outside Khazaria for a 1000 years, those lines would at present have little if any influence on the autosomal profile of the Ashkenazi Jews.

Third, why is a Kurd or Armenian or even Iranian connection not evidence of a Khazar origin.
Rootsi showed a Nogay R1a-M582 sample and that the Azeri Turks have R1a-M582. M582 is also present in the Kerman area which was a stronghold of the Turks. The regions of the Kurds and the Armenians were some of the fiercest battlegrounds for the Khazar-Arab wars, and prior to that an area of conflict between the Khazars and Persians.

So I still think that M582 has something to do with the Kushan/Hun/Khazar, and ultimately (in Z2124 form) came from the Afghan/Bactria borderlands.