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CyrylBojarski
12-04-2020, 02:21 PM
Hello, could you tell me in which region of Eastern Europe R-Z280 subclade of haplogroup R1a is the most common? If you have information about frequency of it in regions of countries like Poland, Russia or Ukraine , please answer

Mixed
12-20-2021, 10:09 PM
Poland and Ukraine.

boilermeschew827
12-21-2021, 01:18 AM
Hello, could you tell me in which region of Eastern Europe R-Z280 subclade of haplogroup R1a is the most common? If you have information about frequency of it in regions of countries like Poland, Russia or Ukraine , please answer

Looks like we might be distant relatives :), I’m L365.

I haven’t done a Y test yet. My 2x great grandfather was born in Gdańsk, but beyond those two points I know very little of this line or clade. I’ve found “Pomeranian” and Kashubian labels while searching, but I’m not educated enough with yDNA or Polish populations to say with any certainty.

Michał
12-21-2021, 09:04 AM
Hello, could you tell me in which region of Eastern Europe R-Z280 subclade of haplogroup R1a is the most common? If you have information about frequency of it in regions of countries like Poland, Russia or Ukraine , please answer

Poland and Ukraine.
I strongly doubt it. The frequency of R1a-Z280 in both Poland and Ukraine is likely within the 25-30% range, thus not as frequent as in Lithuania (about 30-35%), Russia (likely about 35-40%) or in Belarus (more than 40%). Certainly, there are some regions (or subpopulations) in Poland where R1a-Z280 is more frequent than in the whole country, but the same can be said about some smaller regions/subpopulations located further east.

As for R1a-Z282, it seems to be most frequent in Poland (most likely more than 55%) and in Belarus (50-60%), with all remaining countries showing less than 50%.

Mixed
12-21-2021, 11:52 PM
I strongly doubt it. The frequency of R1a-Z280 in both Poland and Ukraine is likely within the 25-30% range, thus not as frequent as in Lithuania (about 30-35%), Russia (likely about 35-40%) or in Belarus (more than 40%). Certainly, there are some regions (or subpopulations) in Poland where R1a-Z280 is more frequent than in the whole country, but the same can be said about some smaller regions/subpopulations located further east.

As for R1a-Z282, it seems to be most frequent in Poland (most likely more than 55%) and in Belarus (50-60%), with all remaining countries showing less than 50%.

The source I used was a mistype. You are absolutely correct. Ukraine is strong for Z282 as well. I am negative for Z280 but positive for Z282.

From Underhill.
Among R1a-Z282 subgroups (Figure 2), the highest frequencies
(B20%) of paragroup R1a-Z282* chromosomes occur in northern
Ukraine, Belarus, and Russia (Figure 2b).

Mixed
12-21-2021, 11:56 PM
I am positive for Z282.

Mixed
12-22-2021, 12:02 AM
A little insight. Also, sorry for the initial misinfo.

Found this.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4266736/

Michał
12-22-2021, 08:29 AM
I am negative for Z280 but positive for Z282.

Your subclade R1a-FTA11915 is a part of a large "Slavic" branch M458 under Z282.
There are four major branches under Z282 and these are Z280, PF6155>M458, Y2395>Z284 and Y17491.



From Underhill.
Among R1a-Z282 subgroups (Figure 2), the highest frequencies
(B20%) of paragroup R1a-Z282* chromosomes occur in northern
Ukraine, Belarus, and Russia (Figure 2b).
Since Underhill hasn't tested for Z280 (or, more precisely, his Z280 results turned out to be unreliable, showing allegedly that Z280 is positioned upstream of Z282 in the R1a tree, which obviously is incorrect), his paragroup R1a-Z282* included mostly males from subclade Z92 under Z280, so no wonder those "Z282*" cases were found to be most frequent among the Eastern Europeans (or among the Eastern Slavs).

Mixed
12-23-2021, 10:27 PM
Your subclade R1a-FTA11915 is a part of a large "Slavic" branch M458 under Z282.
There are four major branches under Z282 and these are Z280, PF6155>M458, Y2395>Z284 and Y17491.


Since Underhill hasn't tested for Z280 (or, more precisely, his Z280 results turned out to be unreliable, showing allegedly that Z280 is positioned upstream of Z282 in the R1a tree, which obviously is incorrect), his paragroup R1a-Z282* included mostly males from subclade Z92 under Z280, so no wonder those "Z282*" cases were found to be most frequent among the Eastern Europeans (or among the Eastern Slavs).

Looking at the Yfull Tree PF6155 seems to be quite balanced but maybe leans a little more East.