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Luso
12-30-2020, 10:43 PM
Hi, my clade is R-Z225 and I've been wondering where exactly is this clade mostly seen?

alejandromb92
12-31-2020, 09:06 AM
Ancient samples positive for R-Z225:

I3320
Els Estrets de la Rata, Vilafamés, Castelló/Castellón, Valencian Community
Iberian Iron Age
300–100 BCE
R-Z225

VAD001
Valdescusa, Hervías, La Rioja
Iberian Bronze Age
1867–1616 cal BCE
R-Z225

Oldest would be the one found in La Rioja, North Castille.

Webb
12-31-2020, 02:07 PM
Ancient samples positive for R-Z225:

I3320
Els Estrets de la Rata, Vilafamés, Castelló/Castellón, Valencian Community
Iberian Iron Age
300–100 BCE
R-Z225

VAD001
Valdescusa, Hervías, La Rioja
Iberian Bronze Age
1867–1616 cal BCE
R-Z225

Oldest would be the one found in La Rioja, North Castille.

Actually, this sample is slightly older: OBE3626-1, Eastern France (Bas-Rhin, Alsace): 3505 +/- 35BP, 1926-1701 BC (c. 1813 BC), ZZ12 >Z229

This sample was reported in the French Paper spanning Neolithic to Iron Age. Z229 was the call but Z229 and Z225 are currently equivalent.

Luso
12-31-2020, 06:50 PM
Actually, this sample is slightly older: OBE3626-1, Eastern France (Bas-Rhin, Alsace): 3505 +/- 35BP, 1926-1701 BC (c. 1813 BC), ZZ12 >Z229

This sample was reported in the French Paper spanning Neolithic to Iron Age. Z229 was the call but Z229 and Z225 are currently equivalent.

Seems to be seen mostly from France into Iberia. The path seems to have entered into North Eastern Spain, Basque region from the Pyrenees and moved north west ward through the peninsula. Would that be a good take?

All I could find is that it’s consistent with iberian colonization, so strong iberian tie: “ The concentration of Latin American/Iberian samples derived at DF27 shows the geographical importance of this marker in Iberia. That only Latin American samples were members of the DF27 subclade defined by the mutations Z225 and Z229 further illustrates strong Iberian ties and is consistent with the possibility of colonial era founders in the Americas [19].”

- https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3404022/

alejandromb92
12-31-2020, 11:45 PM
Actually, this sample is slightly older: OBE3626-1, Eastern France (Bas-Rhin, Alsace): 3505 +/- 35BP, 1926-1701 BC (c. 1813 BC), ZZ12 >Z229

This sample was reported in the French Paper spanning Neolithic to Iron Age. Z229 was the call but Z229 and Z225 are currently equivalent.

Distance to: FRA_BA:OBE3626-1
0.02750371 Norwegian:NOR106
0.03067496 Danish:480
0.03138387 Orcadian:HGDP00802
0.03195198 Welsh:WAL004
0.03309062 Dutch:Netherlands21
0.03371627 English:England10
0.03405423 Swedish:Sweden12
0.03437732 Scottish:Scottish3
0.03447707 Danish:Denmark3
0.03506623 Irish:513
0.03538784 Danish:436
0.03584609 Swedish:Sweden11
0.03591955 Irish:Irish54
0.03660797 Irish:512
0.03673144 Norwegian:NOR152
0.03685892 Swedish:Sweden16
0.03689955 French_Brittany:French23989
0.03758960 Icelandic:NA15766
0.03785994 Swedish:Sweden10
0.03788983 Irish:Irish26
0.03799604 Irish:532
0.03803882 Orcadian:HGDP00804
0.03809165 Irish:Irish40
0.03814503 Scottish:Scottish13
0.03821436 Norwegian:NOR109

Target: FRA_BA:OBE3626-1
Distance: 3.4480% / 0.03447991
47.0 Western_Steppe_Herder
33.2 Early_Anatolian_Farmer
11.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer
4.2 Eastern_Hunter-Gatherer
3.8 Scandinavian_Hunter-Gatherer

That sample is very northern shifted, very interesting.