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casteneda
01-11-2021, 12:04 AM
Hey all,
I have recently been wondering if the Oceanian dna that pops up on many calculators are legit for me, and I'm wondering if based on the numbers, one of you could help me with this? My father's side is mainly Croatian, and my mother's side is a mixture of Western European, Hungarian, and Jewish. I have a lot of early American colonial settlers from the 1600's on my mother side, so I used to automatically think the Oceanian was actually Native American or African, but maybe I'm wrong? Here are some of my results through gedmatch:

MDLP K23B
Melano Polynesian 1.56%

Eurogenes K13
Oceania 1.49%
East Asian .3%

Eurogenes K15 V2
Oceanian 1.25%

Dodecad World 9
Australasian .98%

Harappa World
Papuan 1.03%

PuntDNAL K15
Oceanian 1.11%

PuntDNAL K12
Oceanian 1.43%

PuntDNAL K13 Global
Oceania 1.25%

I don't receive any Oceanian on 23andme, Ancestry, or Myheritage. I used to receive 1% Oceania on Family Tree's Version 2, but it went away in the new update. Of the other dna websites I've uploaded my raw data to, I've received 1% Oceania (Papuan Islander) on Imap dna, .6 Papuan on Gene Plaza K35, .2 Papuan on Gene Plaza K29, .6 SE Asian on Adntro, .4 Oceanian on 24 Genetics.

Your opinions would be greatly appreciated, as I'm trying to figure out if it is in fact Oceanian (and not Native American or African like I used to think), and if so, pinpoint exactly the region in the area, and how I may have received it in my genes. Thanks for any help you can provide me!

JerryS.
01-11-2021, 01:47 AM
First, the Gedmatch models are old populations and from the way some here sound, the oracles are garbage. Get your raw data converted to the G25 coordinates.

BalkanKiwi
01-11-2021, 01:48 AM
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casteneda
01-11-2021, 04:08 AM
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I am so sorry, as this wasn't my intentions at all. I have a lot of respect for the research you provide on this board. I couldn't figure out how to delete the other post, so I didn't know what to do. Please forgive me.

BalkanKiwi
01-11-2021, 10:31 PM
I am so sorry, as this wasn't my intentions at all. I have a lot of respect for the research you provide on this board. I couldn't figure out how to delete the other post, so I didn't know what to do. Please forgive me.

Similarly to what JerryS has mentioned, you're better off getting your G25 coordinates. Its not uncommon for Jewish people to pick up trace amounts of Oceanian. What is difficult for you is locating an ancestor on paper, as you're unlikely to have an Oceanian ancestor given your provided ancestry (its not impossible however). It's unlikely that Oceanian is acting as a proxy for African. There's probably more of a chance that it would show for Native American, but that's just a guess. With your G25 coordinates you can use the abundance of calculators and attempt to model Oceanian populations. You may be left with more questions than answers though.

JerryS.
01-11-2021, 11:51 PM
Mine.

MDLP K23b
Melano_Polynesian -

Euro K13
East_Asian 0.5 Pct
South_Asian 0.55 Pct

Euro K15
Oceanian 0.52 Pct

Dodecad W9
Australasian 0.64 Pct

HaraW
Papuan 0.4 Pct

puntK15
Oceanian 0.53 Pct

puntK12
Oceanian 0.97 Pct

puntK13 Global
Oceania 0.95 Pct


Gedmatch noise, nothing more. some DIY G25 models here have given me a smidgen though. get your G25 for a mere $12.

casteneda
01-12-2021, 07:03 PM
Thanks BalkanKiwi and Jerry S.for your help! I do have my coordinates and I'm still trying to figure out how to work them out. These are my coordinates:

Brad_scaled,0.12862,0.135065,0.054305,0.042636,0.0 45547,0.011713,0.00987,0.006923,0.003272,-0.002916,-0.006658,-0.000899,-0.001784,-0.000413,-0.000814,0.008486,0.003651,-0.001774,0.000628,0.000375,-0.009483,-0.005564,0.004683,0.00241,0.006586

Brad,0.0113,0.0133,0.0144,0.0132,0.0148,0.0042,0.0 042,0.003,0.0016,-0.0016,-0.0041,-0.0006,-0.0012,-0.0003,-0.0006,0.0064,0.0028,-0.0014,0.0005,0.0003,-0.0076,-0.0045,0.0038,0.002,0.0055

Target: Brad_scaled
Distance: 4.2490% / 0.04249047
46.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
40.4 Anatolia_Barcin_N
13.4 WHG

I did create a genoplot account, and tried out some of the nmonte calculators. All of them show at least a little bit of Oceania, anything from .2 Oceania to 1.8 Oceania (almost always focused on Papuan). I do have Nansemond Tribe ancestors from generations back, so I'm wondering if that is the Oceania?

mokordo
01-14-2021, 10:12 PM
Thanks BalkanKiwi and Jerry S.for your help! I do have my coordinates and I'm still trying to figure out how to work them out. These are my coordinates:



Itīs just for fun but you can try this one:

https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?22718-K13-type-model-(G25-scaled-customized-references)

maroco
01-14-2021, 10:16 PM
Completely normal for people with Levantine ancestry I also pick up about 1 to 2 percent dependent on models from g25 and I also score it one percent on my heritage

JerryS.
01-14-2021, 10:20 PM
Itīs just for fun but you can try this one:

https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?22718-K13-type-model-(G25-scaled-customized-references)

In that thread I scored (trace) Oceana but not levantine.

Redbeard92
01-14-2021, 10:25 PM
Completely normal for people with Levantine ancestry I also pick up about 1 to 2 percent dependent on models from g25 and I also score it one percent on my heritage

Interesting, why is that and what could be (if any) the connection? I also score 1.5-2% Papuan/koinanbe/kosipe if present in the g25 source consistently, and have used it in models without to lower my distance ( drop .15-.2)

mokordo
01-15-2021, 10:52 PM
In that thread I scored (trace) Oceana but not levantine.

There is not any pure Levantine reference in that model, closer reference to Levantines is East Mediterranean reference , but is more southern Greek/Greek islander than Levantine. It plots surrounded by Cypriots and some Med Jewish samples so I thought could be a good reference for that component.

My initial idea was to make a mixed reference southern Greek+(Samaritan+Palestine+Lebanese) but finaly I did the simplier and I add that reference.

Oceanian reference is Australia+Maori if I remember well.

JerryS.
01-15-2021, 11:03 PM
There is not any pure Levantine reference in that model, closer reference to Levantines is East Mediterranean reference , but is more southern Greek/Greek islander than Levantine. It plots surrounded by Cypriots and some Med Jewish samples so I thought could be a good reference for that component.

My initial idea was to make a mixed reference southern Greek+(Samaritan+Palestine+Lebanese) but finaly I did the simplier and I add that reference.

Oceanian reference is Australia+Maori if I remember well.

When I added the ADC: 0.25x RC, the trace Northeast African and Oceana I had went into the East Med category. Maybe a reflection of the Levantine-African connection?

mokordo
01-16-2021, 01:04 AM
When I added the ADC: 0.25x RC, the trace Northeast African and Oceana I had went into the East Med category. Maybe a reflection of the Levantine-African connection?

Or simply an effect of the statistical tool itself, I donīt know.