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mokordo
01-21-2021, 12:33 PM
He seleccionado las muestras "Ibéricas" individuales con menos aporte no europeo, no solo hay vascas, también catalanas, del pirineo, alguna navarra, cántabra o soriana etc.(no he añadido los vasco-franceses)

Por otro lado aportes típicos que todos nosotros podemos dar habitualmente.He evitado los que suelen dar problemas como franceses, italianos,griegos y turcos. Estas referencias son de medias hechas por mí que han funcionado muy bien en gente con esos orígenes.

La idea sería usar todas las referencias ibéricas del primer grupo siempre, y del segundo grupo de referencias, solo escoger aquellos componentes que nos suelan dar habitualmente en nuestros resultados.

Pero igualmente se pueden usar todos juntos.


Referencias "ibéricas"


Iberian:RAG111,0.127482,0.141159,0.043369,0.002907 ,0.046778,0.000279,-0.00564,-0.000462,0.015544,0.046835,-0.000974,0.013488,-0.013379,-0.013625,0.016829,-0.002121,0.001825,-0.00266,0.002011,-0.007504,0.002246,0.004575,-0.001232,-0.005784,-0.005269
Iberian:Soria2,0.121791,0.145221,0.050157,0.00969, 0.048009,0.001394,-0.00141,-0.001615,0.020043,0.043372,-0.008931,0.008243,-0.017839,-0.021332,0.011129,0.018032,0.018906,-0.002914,-0.006034,0.003252,-0.000125,-0.002349,-0.001356,0.002048,-0.003952
Iberian:SAB137,0.129758,0.144205,0.046763,0.005814 ,0.044316,-0.002789,-0.00658,0.007384,0.019021,0.038087,-0.012179,0.011989,-0.021853,-0.011285,0.005565,-0.004508,0.005998,-0.007095,-0.005782,-0.003126,0.005116,-0.005317,-0.001725,-0.008314,-0.000239
Iberian:GRA029,0.126344,0.146236,0.041106,0.005491 ,0.044316,0,-0.00047,0.005077,0.01718,0.033167,-0.004709,0.014687,-0.017839,-0.009634,0.005157,-0.000928,-0.003781,-0.001774,-0.001634,-0.003877,0.004118,0.008037,-0.002342,-0.000241,0.00012
Iberian:CAR016,0.126344,0.153345,0.046386,0.004522 ,0.0437,-0.003068,0.00423,0.002077,0.028633,0.040821,-0.004547,0.013188,-0.012042,-0.005367,0.003393,-0.002917,-0.005867,0.000887,-0.00264,-0.005002,0.007736,0.00371,-0.003821,-0.018798,0.008742
Iberian:CAL053,0.12862,0.159438,0.038089,-0.001615,0.049855,-0.001394,0.00094,-0.002538,0.020657,0.035901,-0.005684,0.010341,-0.025272,-0.007019,0.009636,-0.008486,-0.018906,0.004941,0.008422,-0.001626,0.002121,0.002473,-0.008381,-0.002048,-0.003712
Iberian:SER022,0.126344,0.142174,0.041106,0.011628 ,0.042777,0.001673,-0.011986,0.002077,0.018816,0.035354,-0.004709,-3e-04,-0.020664,-0.004954,0.012215,-0.006099,-0.005085,0.003167,0.006159,-0.003627,0.007112,0.00507,-0.002711,-0.010965,0.005987
Iberian:MST073,0.127482,0.146236,0.042615,0.007752 ,0.040931,-0.003904,-0.002115,0.007384,0.009817,0.023873,-0.002761,0.005095,-0.017839,-0.002477,0.006922,0.000796,-0.014212,-0.002534,0.000503,-0.004127,0.001622,0.006925,-0.007395,-0.008194,0.002634
Iberian:GUS014,0.126344,0.138112,0.044877,0.003553 ,0.046162,0.004183,0.003525,-0.006231,0.022089,0.029704,0.001137,0.006594,-0.012785,-0.006606,0.006922,-0.012861,-0.008736,-0.007981,0.005908,-0.001501,0.009858,0.009892,0.000616,-0.001807,-0.00012
Iberian:GUS036,0.12862,0.14319,0.0445,0.000323,0.0 43085,-0.001952,-0.0047,-0.002538,0.025156,0.032256,-0.002598,0.012739,-0.017839,-0.015689,0.001629,-0.001193,-0.01017,0.006081,0.007039,-0.001,0.00861,0.001113,-0.008134,0.001807,-0.007185
Iberian:MIQ133,0.117238,0.139128,0.042615,0.016796 ,0.031698,0.000558,0.000705,0.007615,0.015339,0.02 6242,0.005196,0.016186,-0.016501,-0.015276,0.006922,0.00053,-0.000652,0.015076,0.003897,-0.001501,0.005116,0.002844,-0.004437,0.007471,-0.007784
Iberian:VID016,0.120652,0.148267,0.053928,0.008075 ,0.048317,0.00502,0.00094,0.008307,0.019634,0.0359 01,-0.003573,0.01169,-0.013825,-0.00578,0.004614,-0.006364,-0.010822,0.001647,0.003268,0.002626,0.006613,-0.005812,0.000246,-0.004097,0.00467
Iberian:DAN072,0.130897,0.155376,0.037712,0.004522 ,0.048317,-0.00251,-0.006815,-0.001615,0.014112,0.0277,-0.000162,0.010341,-0.013528,-0.014175,0.010179,0.008751,-0.003781,-0.00038,0.003394,-0.010005,0.001872,0.000618,0.006286,-0.003133,-0.002155
Iberian:SOL083,0.122929,0.152329,0.051666,-0.00323,0.048932,0.004183,0.00188,0.001154,0.02086 1,0.026606,-0.003248,0.007343,-0.016204,-0.010184,0.008822,-0.001989,-0.008084,-0.006461,0.008799,0,-0.000125,0.004204,-0.001479,-0.004458,-0.00455
Iberian:COD068,0.125205,0.142174,0.044123,0.005814 ,0.042162,0.004741,0.007755,0.003692,0.02127,0.027 7,-0.003897,0.007643,-0.01442,-0.006468,0.0038,-0.005304,-0.015907,0.00114,0.009553,-0.009379,0,0.005441,-0.001602,-0.00012,0.001796
Iberian:CAR048,0.126344,0.146236,0.05242,0.01292,0 .053856,0.00251,0.005875,0.004615,0.024543,0.02350 8,-0.007795,0.006744,-0.016353,-0.021607,0.004886,0.010077,0.01356,0.008615,-0.00176,0.004127,0.007612,0.003833,-0.001725,-0.00012,-0.003233
Iberian:CAL107,0.122929,0.153345,0.042238,0.001292 ,0.048009,-0.003626,-0.000705,0.001154,0.013703,0.035354,-0.006496,0.007493,-0.01888,-0.021744,0.016829,0.015911,0.003651,0.004434,-0.002011,-0.008504,-0.001747,0.003586,-0.001972,-0.000241,0.001437
Iberian:FER033,0.120652,0.157407,0.054305,0.011628 ,0.046778,0.001673,0.002115,0.001846,0.024747,0.04 3737,-0.007795,0.004196,-0.014569,-0.013074,-0.001493,0.001989,0.00013,0.000507,0.004274,-0.001,0.009234,0.001731,-0.002835,-0.001566,0.004071
Iberian:HG01512,0.122929,0.148267,0.04978,0.009367 ,0.045855,-0.004741,-0.003055,0.002308,0.023316,0.029522,-0.00747,0.009142,-0.016055,-0.019955,0.013029,0.001326,0.000652,0.004941,-0.004399,-0.007504,0.003619,-0.000742,-0.008504,-0.00735,0.001676
Iberian:GUS202,0.122929,0.14319,0.047517,0.006783, 0.045547,0.00251,0.00282,0.004154,0.016771,0.02350 8,0.001299,0.01079,-0.00669,-0.013074,0.008007,0.000133,-0.001565,0.003674,0.000251,5e-04,0.004742,0.010387,-0.004437,0.000361,-0.005628
Iberian:GRA035,0.127482,0.142174,0.047894,0.005168 ,0.057241,0.008367,-0.00047,0.001846,0.029042,0.036629,0.003085,0.0076 43,-0.013974,-0.024772,0.0038,0.01074,0.013169,0.00076,0.000754, 0.003126,0.010232,0.012365,-0.007025,-0.008435,-0.008023
Iberian:VID014,0.126344,0.148267,0.048649,-0.000646,0.042162,0.004741,-0.00282,0.003923,0.013908,0.030433,-0.004872,0.004646,-0.015312,-0.007294,-0.000136,-0.015646,-0.01004,-0.003294,0.005782,-0.002126,0.002371,-0.00507,-0.002218,-0.008555,0.004071
Iberian:Navarra3,0.125205,0.147252,0.046009,0.0058 14,0.051702,0.001952,-0.002585,0,0.029247,0.044648,-0.011042,0.012439,-0.020664,-0.016928,0.012758,-0.006364,-0.016428,0.006334,0.003771,-0.008754,0.001123,-0.000495,-0.002218,-0.004579,0.005868
Iberian:ALE088,0.124067,0.148267,0.040729,0.004522 ,0.038469,0.004462,-0.003525,-0.002077,0.011658,0.027335,0.001137,0.007194,-0.019921,-0.021607,0,0.009281,0.013951,-0.000507,-0.002137,0.001626,-0.001497,0.007296,-0.012695,0.005663,-0.008263
Iberian:HG01515,0.132035,0.148267,0.056945,0.00613 7,0.050471,0.003626,0.003055,0.003923,0.029042,0.0 37905,-0.006171,0.009591,-0.015758,-0.013212,0.017508,0.002917,-0.004303,0.004307,0.001508,-0.001126,0.007986,-0.001237,-0.00986,-0.008435,0.006706
Iberian:HG01516,0.126344,0.155376,0.057322,0.01162 8,0.054779,-0.00251,-0.001645,0.001615,0.029451,0.040821,-0.012342,0.007044,-0.023934,-0.013074,0.020901,-0.004508,-0.018906,0.003674,0.001634,-0.007629,0.008859,-0.001237,-0.007518,-0.008676,0.002634
Iberian:HG01518,0.126344,0.151314,0.054682,0.00646 ,0.051086,0.006136,-0.000705,0.003231,0.024747,0.040821,0.000812,0.011 39,-0.023488,-0.009909,0.016829,-0.005834,-0.013821,0.000633,0.00352,-0.011005,0.006364,-0.004822,-0.002218,-0.003133,0.001676
Iberian:BAS22,0.132035,0.146236,0.059585,0.008075, 0.060934,0.008367,0.003995,-0.006231,0.026997,0.047564,-0.008282,0.008393,-0.018285,-0.019542,0.011401,0.00769,0.001434,0.014569,-0.004022,0.006128,0.012977,-0.003586,-0.007765,-0.004217,0.004071
Iberian:BAS25,0.134311,0.15436,0.056945,0.00646,0. 056934,-0.002789,-0.002585,-0.003231,0.032928,0.046288,-0.012666,0.008542,-0.025718,-0.026424,0.011943,-0.000398,-0.01343,0.001394,-0.001131,0.004252,0.006988,-0.005564,-0.012448,-0.006868,0.005868
Iberian:BAS27,0.126344,0.148267,0.059962,0.006137, 0.059088,-0.000837,-0.0047,0.003231,0.032315,0.049933,-0.001461,0.009591,-0.02557,-0.028626,0.015608,0.008618,0.001434,0.000633,0.003 142,0.002626,0.012478,0.005935,0.000246,-0.004217,0.000599
Iberian:BAS28,0.133173,0.151314,0.058831,0.01615,0 .056318,0.001952,0.000235,-0.003692,0.030679,0.039363,-0.001786,0.016036,-0.026313,-0.016102,0.021715,-0.002784,-0.012386,-0.005954,-0.001006,0.002751,0.005241,0.00779,-0.006409,-0.013255,0.006586
Iberian:BAS30,0.129758,0.141159,0.061471,0.005814, 0.06432,0.006136,-0.011516,0.003923,0.035178,0.042643,0.005196,0.013 488,-0.01888,-0.023946,0.021851,-0.002387,-0.01682,0.008361,-0.000628,-0.002376,0.004243,0,-0.006286,-0.015183,0.003712
Iberian:BAS31,0.133173,0.149283,0.058077,0.011305, 0.055395,-0.008088,-0.002585,0.002077,0.033542,0.046835,-0.009094,0.006894,-0.028543,-0.014863,0.022937,0.009281,0.000652,0.000127,-0.002011,-0.00025,0.005989,0.006925,-0.003697,-0.005663,0.000479
Iberian:BAS32,0.138864,0.156392,0.050534,0.010982, 0.04924,-0.003068,-0.001175,0.002308,0.034769,0.045195,0.002111,0.014 237,-0.018731,-0.018029,0.014929,0.014717,0.003651,-0.000127,-0.008045,0.000625,-0.001123,0.000742,-0.011709,-0.005422,-0.001557
Iberian:BAS33,0.126344,0.15436,0.058077,-0.000646,0.062781,-0.000837,-0.00094,0,0.02577,0.051755,-0.008931,0.012589,-0.016799,-0.007707,0.020494,0.001724,-0.007302,0.004181,-0.002388,-0.010505,0.015223,0.00779,-0.007395,-0.011447,0.002754
Iberian:BAS35,0.133173,0.152329,0.061094,0.016796, 0.053241,0.000279,-0.010575,0.005307,0.030065,0.040821,-0.005846,0.014687,-0.026164,-0.013625,0.020629,-0.002917,-0.009518,0.001774,-0.000251,-0.003877,0.017095,0.002349,-0.006532,-0.015062,-0.002155

Otros europeos:


Slav,0.1310153,0.1214563,0.0711987,0.0603063,0.035 6400,0.0220150,0.0089957,0.0116723,-0.0034180,-0.0234717,-0.0007067,-0.0075860,0.0157850,0.0231097,-0.0123050,-0.0018747,0.0027710,-0.0005210,0.0028207,0.0022073,-0.0037993,-0.0040860,0.0049800,-0.0048143,-0.0007887
German,0.1285077,0.134342,0.0595373,0.0424277,0.04 02363,0.0161353,0.005305,0.0069334,0.003551,0.0011 038,-0.005429,0.0034803,-0.0070394,-0.005692,0.0129784,0.0043182,-0.0057436,0.001465,0.0038184,0.0022665,0.0039155,0 .0024361,0.0001698,0.0118297,-0.0001074
BritishIsles,0.1333156,0.133302,0.0612522,0.049489 9,0.03722405,0.01981505,0.003592715,0.00465054,0.0 04015315,0.003132795,-0.006798435,0.006078655,-0.01399805,-0.0142284,0.02653675,0.005617805,-0.01122035,0.001576174,0.000440942,0.002223565,0.0 05053135,0.00133376,0.00095749,0.0140395,0.0002452 81
Balkan,0.1208423,0.1423011,0.021323,-0.0103898,0.0258639,-0.0045437,0.0027613,0.00125,0.0001278,0.011891,0.0 005413,0.0005495,-0.0039333,0.0066634,-0.0170557,-0.0012928,0.0099744,0.000982,0.0077201,-0.0053149,-0.0066913,0.0014116,0.0041083,0.0010795,-0.0033281

No europeos.


Arab,0.05059585,0.13995270,-0.06513990,-0.11723870,-0.00940130,-0.04997380,-0.01229238,-0.00808298,0.05608075,-0.00410653,0.01556333,-0.03192903,0.06243548,0.00350273,0.00455410,0.0252 5745,-0.02140830,0.00386218,0.00015448,0.02687405,0.0126 3658,0.01614353,-0.00905183,0.00697205,-0.00832413
Amerindian,0.05465673,-0.2968151,0.11224557,0.09128287,-0.10310783,-0.0167784,-0.27070987,-0.3246743,-0.01115723,-0.0149555,-0.0040257,-0.0041421,0.00129253,0.01872977,-0.007696,0.00187773,0.00527263,0.00001203,0.001084 67,-0.0005658,-0.00267273,0.0057964,0.0001209,-0.00068733,-0.0007424
NorthernAfrica:BerberN4,-0.06548320,0.13410613,-0.00816420,-0.07538218,0.02581348,-0.03472953,-0.02944445,0.00831648,0.06752790,0.02796198,0.0070 7855,-0.00796418,0.02308645,-0.01552258,0.01677808,-0.01294335,-0.00285148,-0.02166338,-0.04415378,0.01019313,-0.01565483,-0.03933808,0.02467100,-0.00293920,0.00493865
Levantine,0.0865055,0.1477087,-0.0557572,-0.0887281,-0.0126487,-0.0290883,-0.003807,-0.0066227,0.0140405,0.0092668,0.0062843,-0.0078456,0.0157062,0.0033169,-0.0052116,0.008287,-0.0006975,0.0014885,0.0009931,-0.0023888,-0.0011044,0.0035055,0.0020398,0.0012109,0.0039994
Iran,0.08819270,0.10113475,-0.06562890,-0.02964950,-0.04627995,-0.00295545,0.00468410,-0.00464850,-0.02821040,-0.01373640,0.00216160,-0.00098600,0.00418345,-0.00166035,0.00498295,0.01070660,-0.00466300,0.00281875,0.00398130,-0.00991535,-0.00093175,-0.00418420,-0.00039000,-0.00518885,0.00490625
SSA,-0.6069934,0.0655298,0.0190028,0.0110807,0.0009403, 0.0073132,-0.0368968,0.0386652,-0.0312694,0.0250018,0.0052462,-0.0024354,0.017864,-0.0009902,0.0137757,-0.0137304,0.0103041,-0.0007249,-0.0020287,-0.0027166,-0.0017192,-0.0037302,0.0024958,-0.0005524,0.0014369
India,0.05425723,-0.05224190,-0.14531813,0.10516810,-0.07525927,0.06000990,0.00056697,0.01146813,0.0299 5450,0.01783713,-0.00570163,-0.00016823,-0.00002613,0.00110113,0.00060693,-0.00117137,-0.00384817,0.00066970,0.00074737,-0.00379923,0.00015303,-0.00049060,0.00129760,0.00150510,-0.00206300

mokordo
01-21-2021, 12:37 PM
Me sorprende la distancia tan pequeña con relativamente pocas referencias.

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.0750% / 0.01074962
84.4 Iberian
8.6 Slav
5.4 NorthernAfrica
1.2 Arab
0.4 India

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.2306% / 0.01230632 | ADC: 0.25x
95.2 Iberian
4.0 NorthernAfrica
0.8 Slav
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Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 1.2444% / 0.01244371
77.4 Iberian
13.4 Balkan
8.4 NorthernAfrica
0.8 SSA

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 1.3454% / 0.01345395 | ADC: 0.25x
83.2 Iberian
9.0 NorthernAfrica
7.8 Balkan

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Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 1.5392% / 0.01539217
84.8 Iberian
11.2 BritishIsles
4.0 NorthernAfrica


Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 1.5997% / 0.01599740 | ADC: 0.25x
95.4 Iberian
2.6 BritishIsles
2.0 NorthernAfrica

mokordo
01-21-2021, 12:41 PM
Tengo montones de referencias "customizadas" hechas, si alguno necesita alguna que delate algún aporte específico que no esté o que no se pueda suponer en los resultados con las que hay posteadas, que me diga.

maroco
01-21-2021, 12:42 PM
One of the best models I tried very accurate:

Distance: 1.5834% / 0.01583442
63.6 NorthernAfrica
20.2 Arab
7.8 SSA
5.2 Iberian
3.2 Levantine

mokordo
01-21-2021, 12:58 PM
One of the best models I tried very accurate:

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I have another different NA reference made with 5 berber averages (2 Tunisian+2 Moroccan+1 Algerian), but this one always worked better (it has 4 Berber references, 2 Tunisian+2 moroccan).

Ruderico
01-21-2021, 01:14 PM
Target: Portuguese
Distance: 0.3357% / 0.00335659
68.8 Iberian
10.8 NorthernAfrica
8.8 BritishIsles
5.8 Balkan
5.8 Levantine

Target: Spanish_Galicia
Distance: 0.2651% / 0.00265146
74.0 Iberian
10.2 BritishIsles
8.4 NorthernAfrica
5.4 Levantine
1.6 Slav
0.4 SSA

Target: Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
Distance: 0.6552% / 0.00655158
83.4 Iberian
10.2 NorthernAfrica
4.8 BritishIsles
0.8 India
0.8 Levantine

Target: Spanish_Asturias
Distance: 1.6363% / 0.01636298
84.2 Iberian
9.6 NorthernAfrica
6.0 BritishIsles
0.2 Amerindian

Target: Ruderico_scaled
Distance: 1.4164% / 0.01416393
85.6 Iberian
13.6 NorthernAfrica
0.6 BritishIsles
0.2 SSA


Resultado un poco raro:
Target: Portuguese: Portugal5
Distance: 2.2188% / 0.02218795
73.4 Iberian
13.0 Arab
11.4 BritishIsles
1.4 SSA
0.8 Levantine

alejandromb92
01-21-2021, 02:14 PM
Target: Alejandro_scaled
Distance: 1.6745% / 0.01674484 | ADC: 0.25x RC
61.2 Iberian
19.6 Balkan
12.2 NorthernAfrica
3.6 Iran
3.4 Levantine

mokordo
01-21-2021, 02:29 PM
Target: Alejandro_scaled
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Si quieres usar alguna referencia Italiana o Greece&SouthItaly para precisar mejor, aquí tienes 3 de cada, elige tu mismo. DIgo que yo que todo o parte del Balkan debería desaparecer, así como parte de algún otro componente.

Lo único que al poner referencias italianas, especialmente las del centro para arriba, se comerán parte del "ibérico".


Italian:Bergamo+Lombardy+Liguria+Piedmont,0.120880 05,0.14803870,0.02668133,-0.01301690,0.03185970,-0.00463645,0.00173313,0.00075578,0.00955653,0.0267 6138,-0.00346693,0.00623440,-0.01254318,-0.00359883,-0.00175085,-0.00680175,-0.00355968,0.00073808,0.00363588,-0.00318288,-0.00152863,0.00101390,-0.00082878,0.00284960,0.00022458
Italian:Veneto+Trentino-Alto-Adige+Northeast,0.12542900,0.14592190,0.03352107,-0.00264457,0.03564947,-0.00060257,0.00285707,0.00234943,0.00940747,0.0209 5333,-0.00253820,0.00509107,-0.01078937,-0.00234117,-0.00259897,-0.00018743,0.00269963,0.00150253,0.00365313,-0.00328243,-0.00198453,0.00203360,-0.00081240,0.00217507,-0.00182223
Italian:NorthWest+NortEast,0.12315453,0.1469803,0. 0301012,-0.00783074,0.03375459,-0.00261951,0.0022951,0.00155261,0.009482,0.0238573 6,-0.00300257,0.00566274,-0.01166628,-0.00297,-0.00217491,-0.00349459,-0.00043003,0.00112031,0.00364451,-0.00323266,-0.00175658,0.00152375,-0.00082059,0.00251234,-0.00079883


Greek_and_South_Italian:Crete+Dodecanese,0.1070315 ,0.145769,-0.0193374,-0.0508842,0.0045435,-0.0168057,0.0030456,-0.0030695,-0.0026649,0.0147648,0.0034242,0.0017514,-0.0031743,0.0016794,-0.0119076,-0.0016904,0.0041787,0.0029881,0.0048445,-0.0047811,-0.0043396,-0.000064,0.0005811,0.000451,-0.0025359
Greek_and_South_Italian:SicilianEast+SicilianWest, 0.10168200,0.14606700,-0.00383415,-0.03832935,0.01861865,-0.01259680,-0.00129250,0.00030765,0.01046465,0.02180770,0.0053 5865,0.00349700,-0.00418735,0.00250000,-0.00409415,-0.00483950,-0.00236850,-0.00059115,0.00180165,-0.00500250,0.00039535,0.00175180,-0.00254700,-0.00060250,0.00031915
Greek_and_South_Italian:Italian_Basilicata+Italian _Campania+Italian_Apulia+Italian_Calabria,0.107650 55,0.14730115,-0.00740228,-0.04272373,0.01384175,-0.01458015,-0.00069750,-0.00217618,0.00395688,0.02090800,0.00024765,0.0030 1008,-0.00603383,-0.00056470,-0.00836273,-0.00287953,0.00428768,0.00024715,0.00346385,-0.00433768,-0.00310053,0.00091510,0.00123820,0.00246810,0.0000 4713

alejandromb92
01-21-2021, 02:36 PM
Si quieres usar alguna referencia Italiana o Greece&SouthItaly para precisar mejor, aquí tienes 3 de cada, elige tu mismo. DIgo que yo que todo o parte del Balkan debería desaparecer, así como parte de algún otro componente.

Lo único que al poner referencias italianas, especialmente las del centro para arriba, se comerán parte del "ibérico".


Italian:Bergamo+Lombardy+Liguria+Piedmont,0.120880 05,0.14803870,0.02668133,-0.01301690,0.03185970,-0.00463645,0.00173313,0.00075578,0.00955653,0.0267 6138,-0.00346693,0.00623440,-0.01254318,-0.00359883,-0.00175085,-0.00680175,-0.00355968,0.00073808,0.00363588,-0.00318288,-0.00152863,0.00101390,-0.00082878,0.00284960,0.00022458
Italian:Veneto+Trentino-Alto-Adige+Northeast,0.12542900,0.14592190,0.03352107,-0.00264457,0.03564947,-0.00060257,0.00285707,0.00234943,0.00940747,0.0209 5333,-0.00253820,0.00509107,-0.01078937,-0.00234117,-0.00259897,-0.00018743,0.00269963,0.00150253,0.00365313,-0.00328243,-0.00198453,0.00203360,-0.00081240,0.00217507,-0.00182223
Italian:NorthWest+NortEast,0.12315453,0.1469803,0. 0301012,-0.00783074,0.03375459,-0.00261951,0.0022951,0.00155261,0.009482,0.0238573 6,-0.00300257,0.00566274,-0.01166628,-0.00297,-0.00217491,-0.00349459,-0.00043003,0.00112031,0.00364451,-0.00323266,-0.00175658,0.00152375,-0.00082059,0.00251234,-0.00079883


Greek_and_South_Italian:Crete+Dodecanese,0.1070315 ,0.145769,-0.0193374,-0.0508842,0.0045435,-0.0168057,0.0030456,-0.0030695,-0.0026649,0.0147648,0.0034242,0.0017514,-0.0031743,0.0016794,-0.0119076,-0.0016904,0.0041787,0.0029881,0.0048445,-0.0047811,-0.0043396,-0.000064,0.0005811,0.000451,-0.0025359
Greek_and_South_Italian:SicilianEast+SicilianWest, 0.10168200,0.14606700,-0.00383415,-0.03832935,0.01861865,-0.01259680,-0.00129250,0.00030765,0.01046465,0.02180770,0.0053 5865,0.00349700,-0.00418735,0.00250000,-0.00409415,-0.00483950,-0.00236850,-0.00059115,0.00180165,-0.00500250,0.00039535,0.00175180,-0.00254700,-0.00060250,0.00031915
Greek_and_South_Italian:Italian_Basilicata+Italian _Campania+Italian_Apulia+Italian_Calabria,0.107650 55,0.14730115,-0.00740228,-0.04272373,0.01384175,-0.01458015,-0.00069750,-0.00217618,0.00395688,0.02090800,0.00024765,0.0030 1008,-0.00603383,-0.00056470,-0.00836273,-0.00287953,0.00428768,0.00024715,0.00346385,-0.00433768,-0.00310053,0.00091510,0.00123820,0.00246810,0.0000 4713

Target: Alejandro_scaled
Distance: 1.6896% / 0.01689593 | ADC: 0.25x RC
60.0 Iberian
20.0 Balkan
12.8 NorthernAfrica
4.6 Iran
2.6 Greek_and_South_Italian

mokordo
01-21-2021, 02:41 PM
Target: Alejandro_scaled
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Eres balcánico!!!

Shadogowah
01-21-2021, 03:00 PM
He seleccionado las muestras "Ibéricas" individuales con menos aporte no europeo, no solo hay vascas, también catalanas, del pirineo, alguna navarra, cántabra o soriana etc.(no he añadido los vasco-franceses)




Muy buen ajuste

Target: Shadogowah_scaled
Distance: 1.1246% / 0.01124556
85.8 Iberian
11.4 NorthernAfrica
1.2 Balkan
0.8 Arab
0.8 Levantine

mokordo
01-21-2021, 03:05 PM
Tengamos en cuenta que el NA y otros, suben bastante por las referencias ibéricas que seleccioné.

Para hacer un modelo más acertado, convendría elegir las muestras individuales más "puras" de cada origen, de la misma forma que se hizo con las "ibéricas".

JJJ
01-21-2021, 03:56 PM
Target: Juan_scaled
Distance: 1.9615% / 0.01961495
86.6 Iberian
8.8 NorthernAfrica
3.4 India
1.2 SSA

alejandromb92
01-21-2021, 04:42 PM
Eres balcánico!!!

E-V13 e I-P37 al poder!


Target: Juan_scaled
Distance: 1.9615% / 0.01961495
86.6 Iberian
8.8 NorthernAfrica
3.4 India
1.2 SSA

Lo seguro es que lo español no te lo quitan nunca.

JJJ
01-21-2021, 05:11 PM
E-V13 e I-P37 al poder!



Lo seguro es que lo español no te lo quitan nunca.

Más bien portugués que tengo mas cercanía genética con ellos, pero sí.

alejandromb92
01-21-2021, 05:46 PM
Más bien portugués que tengo mas cercanía genética con ellos, pero sí.

0.02812397 Spanish_Extremadura:HG01527
0.02814341 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal9
0.02939546 Spanish_Galicia:GAL8
0.03069109 Spanish_Andalucia:AND36
0.03082701 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01500

Estas bastante cerca de los portugueses, pero algo mas cerca de la tierra de tus ancestros. Es logico que estes cerca de los portugueses porque los extremeños tienen una genetica muy muy parecida a ellos, junto a los gallegos tambien, no es de extrañar.

0.02708549 Spanish_Galicia:HG01704
0.02850743 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal7
0.02956389 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal2
0.02982065 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal11
0.03007325 Spanish_Galicia:HG01685

Yo tambien tengo una genetica bastante parecida a la tuya.

Pedro Ruben
01-21-2021, 05:55 PM
Target: Pedro_scaled
Distance: 1.2456% / 0.01245562
65.8 Iberian
16.0 BritishIsles
11.0 NorthernAfrica
4.4 Arab
2.2 SSA
0.6 Amerindian

Target: Dad_scaled
Distance: 1.1303% / 0.01130339
69.2 Iberian
18.0 NorthernAfrica
10.4 Slav
1.8 SSA
0.6 Amerindian

Target: Mom_scaled
Distance: 1.2054% / 0.01205364
79.8 Iberian
9.6 NorthernAfrica
8.0 BritishIsles
2.0 SSA
0.4 Arab
0.2 Balkan

JJJ
01-21-2021, 06:04 PM
0.02812397 Spanish_Extremadura:HG01527
0.02814341 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal9
0.02939546 Spanish_Galicia:GAL8
0.03069109 Spanish_Andalucia:AND36
0.03082701 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01500

Estas bastante cerca de los portugueses, pero algo mas cerca de la tierra de tus ancestros. Es logico que estes cerca de los portugueses porque los extremeños tienen una genetica muy muy parecida a ellos, junto a los gallegos tambien, no es de extrañar.

0.02708549 Spanish_Galicia:HG01704
0.02850743 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal7
0.02956389 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal2
0.02982065 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal11
0.03007325 Spanish_Galicia:HG01685

Yo tambien tengo una genetica bastante parecida a la tuya.

Bueno, las muestras gallegas son muy raras según mis coordenadas, de los 25 primeros solo tengo 2/18 gallegos e incluso con los cántabros tengo un mejor ratio (1/3), y me parecen que los gallegos no siguen un patrón geográfico específico plotando alrededor de toda la peninsula.

Aunque yo me refería a que hay básicamente tres tipos de ibéricos, los hay parecidos a portugueses, vascos y catalanes haciendo un mejunje de todos ellos. Extremadura por supuesto está compuesto del primero mayormente.


Distance to: Juan_scaled
0.02812397 Spanish_Extremadura:HG01527
0.02814341 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal9
0.02939546 Spanish_Galicia:GAL8
0.03069109 Spanish_Andalucia:AND36
0.03082701 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01500
0.03119362 Portuguese:Portugal8
0.03216631 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal12
0.03223318 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal10
0.03226207 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal13
0.03247699 Spanish_Andalucia:AND10
0.03267708 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01501
0.03290500 Spanish_Galicia:HG01704
0.03294703 Spanish_Valencia:EST093
0.03313840 Spanish_Andalucia:HG01623
0.03361942 Spanish_Valencia:HG01605
0.03375428 Spanish_Mallorca:SLM078
0.03380505 Spanish_Cataluna:HG01761
0.03396093 Spanish_Asturias:Asturias1
0.03443837 Spanish_Cantabria:HG01679
0.03452475 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal6
0.03456648 Spanish_Andalucia:AND77
0.03491974 Spanish_Andalucia:AND86
0.03496530 Spanish_Andalucia:HG01620
0.03502838 Spanish_Eivissa:GUS199
0.03504822 Spanish_Murcia:HG01699

alejandromb92
01-21-2021, 06:10 PM
Bueno, las muestras gallegas son muy raras según mis coordenadas, de los 25 primeros solo tengo 2/18 gallegos e incluso con los cántabros tengo un mejor ratio (1/3), y me parecen que los gallegos no siguen un patrón geográfico específico plotando alrededor de toda la peninsula.

Aunque yo me refería a que hay básicamente tres tipos de ibéricos, los hay parecidos a portugueses, vascos y catalanes haciendo un mejunje de todos ellos. Extremadura por supuesto está compuesto del primero mayormente.


Distance to: Juan_scaled
0.02812397 Spanish_Extremadura:HG01527
0.02814341 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal9
0.02939546 Spanish_Galicia:GAL8
0.03069109 Spanish_Andalucia:AND36
0.03082701 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01500
0.03119362 Portuguese:Portugal8
0.03216631 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal12
0.03223318 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal10
0.03226207 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal13
0.03247699 Spanish_Andalucia:AND10
0.03267708 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01501
0.03290500 Spanish_Galicia:HG01704
0.03294703 Spanish_Valencia:EST093
0.03313840 Spanish_Andalucia:HG01623
0.03361942 Spanish_Valencia:HG01605
0.03375428 Spanish_Mallorca:SLM078
0.03380505 Spanish_Cataluna:HG01761
0.03396093 Spanish_Asturias:Asturias1
0.03443837 Spanish_Cantabria:HG01679
0.03452475 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal6
0.03456648 Spanish_Andalucia:AND77
0.03491974 Spanish_Andalucia:AND86
0.03496530 Spanish_Andalucia:HG01620
0.03502838 Spanish_Eivissa:GUS199
0.03504822 Spanish_Murcia:HG01699


Bueno es que eso de los ratios... Habria que hacerlo con una misma cantidad de muestras por region, por eso es que hay tanta variedad entre gallegos, andaluces, portugueses, etc. por supuesto si tienes solo 3 muestras de una sola poblacion y encima vez que plotean bastante cerca, sacar una conclusion estaria muy dificil. Yo estoy seguro, vamos, apuesto All-In, a que si testeamos a miles de personas mas en España, habra alguien que plotee extremadamente cerca a mi, y eso que no soy 100% español pero se que la variedad existe.

JJJ
01-21-2021, 06:29 PM
Bueno es que eso de los ratios... Habria que hacerlo con una misma cantidad de muestras por region, por eso es que hay tanta variedad entre gallegos, andaluces, portugueses, etc. por supuesto si tienes solo 3 muestras de una sola poblacion y encima vez que plotean bastante cerca, sacar una conclusion estaria muy dificil. Yo estoy seguro, vamos, apuesto All-In, a que si testeamos a miles de personas mas en España, habra alguien que plotee extremadamente cerca a mi, y eso que no soy 100% español pero se que la variedad existe.

Si, aunque los gallegos suponen un buen pellizco de las muestras españolas totales ya que son 18 y me salen solo 2, además de ser comparable por número de muestras a andaluces y portugueses. Por curiosidad aumenté a 50 para ver como se comportan los gallegos y efectivamente son muy raros/lejanos (según mis coordenadas).

Gallegos: 4/18
Portugueses: 10/25
Andaluces: 10/19

Y eso que ya me empiezan a salir catalanes, valencianos y canarios, puede que los gallegos del spreadsheet sean demasiado norteños quien sabe.


Distance to: Juan_scaled
0.02812397 Spanish_Extremadura:HG01527
0.02814341 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal9
0.02939546 Spanish_Galicia:GAL8
0.03069109 Spanish_Andalucia:AND36
0.03082701 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01500
0.03119362 Portuguese:Portugal8
0.03216631 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal12
0.03223318 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal10
0.03226207 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal13
0.03247699 Spanish_Andalucia:AND10
0.03267708 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01501
0.03290500 Spanish_Galicia:HG01704
0.03294703 Spanish_Valencia:EST093
0.03313840 Spanish_Andalucia:HG01623
0.03361942 Spanish_Valencia:HG01605
0.03375428 Spanish_Mallorca:SLM078
0.03380505 Spanish_Cataluna:HG01761
0.03396093 Spanish_Asturias:Asturias1
0.03443837 Spanish_Cantabria:HG01679
0.03452475 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal6
0.03456648 Spanish_Andalucia:AND77
0.03491974 Spanish_Andalucia:AND86
0.03496530 Spanish_Andalucia:HG01620
0.03502838 Spanish_Eivissa:GUS199
0.03504822 Spanish_Murcia:HG01699
0.03551705 Spanish_Andalucia:AND84
0.03560561 Spanish_Galicia:GAL48
0.03579214 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha:HG01746
0.03585342 Spanish_Baleares:HG01615
0.03587691 Portuguese:Portugal6
0.03603622 Spanish_Alacant:MAS064
0.03613112 Spanish_Menorca:FER054
0.03639849 Spanish_Murcia:HG01697
0.03674412 Spanish_Menorca:GUS007
0.03675421 Spanish_Alacant:NAC135
0.03690909 Spanish_Mallorca:ALE339
0.03706106 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01506
0.03706442 Spanish_Andalucia:HG01619
0.03713464 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal3
0.03714118 Spanish_Galicia:GAL71
0.03717930 Spanish_Girona:ROI027
0.03731501 Spanish_Andalucia:AND80
0.03748397 Spanish_Canarias:CAN3
0.03787191 Portuguese:Portugal15
0.03791586 Spanish_Canarias:CAN12
0.03793539 Spanish_Andalucia:AND4
0.03800649 Spanish_Aragon:HG01678
0.03807279 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal7
0.03810973 Spanish_Alacant:CAR257
0.03822202 Spanish_Girona:ROB116

alejandromb92
01-21-2021, 06:54 PM
Si, aunque los gallegos suponen un buen pellizco de las muestras españolas totales ya que son 18 y me salen solo 2, además de ser comparable por número de muestras a andaluces y portugueses. Por curiosidad aumenté a 50 para ver como se comportan los gallegos y efectivamente son muy raros/lejanos (según mis coordenadas).

Gallegos: 4/18
Portugueses: 10/25
Andaluces: 10/19

Y eso que ya me empiezan a salir catalanes, valencianos y canarios, puede que los gallegos del spreadsheet sean demasiado norteños quien sabe.


Distance to: Juan_scaled
0.02812397 Spanish_Extremadura:HG01527
0.02814341 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal9
0.02939546 Spanish_Galicia:GAL8
0.03069109 Spanish_Andalucia:AND36
0.03082701 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01500
0.03119362 Portuguese:Portugal8
0.03216631 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal12
0.03223318 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal10
0.03226207 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal13
0.03247699 Spanish_Andalucia:AND10
0.03267708 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01501
0.03290500 Spanish_Galicia:HG01704
0.03294703 Spanish_Valencia:EST093
0.03313840 Spanish_Andalucia:HG01623
0.03361942 Spanish_Valencia:HG01605
0.03375428 Spanish_Mallorca:SLM078
0.03380505 Spanish_Cataluna:HG01761
0.03396093 Spanish_Asturias:Asturias1
0.03443837 Spanish_Cantabria:HG01679
0.03452475 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal6
0.03456648 Spanish_Andalucia:AND77
0.03491974 Spanish_Andalucia:AND86
0.03496530 Spanish_Andalucia:HG01620
0.03502838 Spanish_Eivissa:GUS199
0.03504822 Spanish_Murcia:HG01699
0.03551705 Spanish_Andalucia:AND84
0.03560561 Spanish_Galicia:GAL48
0.03579214 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha:HG01746
0.03585342 Spanish_Baleares:HG01615
0.03587691 Portuguese:Portugal6
0.03603622 Spanish_Alacant:MAS064
0.03613112 Spanish_Menorca:FER054
0.03639849 Spanish_Murcia:HG01697
0.03674412 Spanish_Menorca:GUS007
0.03675421 Spanish_Alacant:NAC135
0.03690909 Spanish_Mallorca:ALE339
0.03706106 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01506
0.03706442 Spanish_Andalucia:HG01619
0.03713464 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal3
0.03714118 Spanish_Galicia:GAL71
0.03717930 Spanish_Girona:ROI027
0.03731501 Spanish_Andalucia:AND80
0.03748397 Spanish_Canarias:CAN3
0.03787191 Portuguese:Portugal15
0.03791586 Spanish_Canarias:CAN12
0.03793539 Spanish_Andalucia:AND4
0.03800649 Spanish_Aragon:HG01678
0.03807279 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal7
0.03810973 Spanish_Alacant:CAR257
0.03822202 Spanish_Girona:ROB116


Distance to: Alejandro_scaled
0.02708549 Spanish_Galicia:HG01704
0.02850743 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal7
0.02956389 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal2
0.02982065 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal11
0.03007325 Spanish_Galicia:HG01685
0.03198077 French_Provence:provance2708
0.03266270 Spanish_Andalucia:AND39
0.03336918 Spanish_Extremadura:HG01509
0.03346175 Spanish_Murcia:HG01617
0.03419147 Italian_Veneto:ALP116
0.03429240 Swiss_Italian:Swiss_Italian2
0.03486771 Spanish_Canarias:CAN17
0.03491412 Spanish_Canarias:CAN3
0.03500571 Spanish_Andalucia:HG01623
0.03521276 Spanish_Canarias:CAN884
0.03534321 Spanish_Girona:ROB127
0.03563357 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal1
0.03576616 Spanish_Mallorca:GRA135
0.03576948 Spanish_Penedes:BOS015
0.03580927 Spanish_Extremadura:HG01527
0.03610561 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona:RIC106
0.03639090 Portuguese:Portugal4
0.03668184 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona:BOS029
0.03675980 Portuguese:Portugal11
0.03678410 Spanish_Extremadura:HG01510
0.03679043 Spanish_Eivissa:GUS203
0.03685955 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal13
0.03694973 Portuguese:Portugal10
0.03697999 French_Corsica:corsica11908
0.03702942 Spanish_Canarias:CAN18
0.03703345 Portuguese:Portugal12
0.03705095 Portuguese:EBC_Portugal3
0.03711929 Portuguese:Portugal2
0.03721089 Spanish_Andalucia:AND7
0.03722682 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona:GRA011
0.03723402 Italian_Veneto:KF1803151
0.03738766 Spanish_Baleares:HG01613
0.03740771 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre:SAB009
0.03762194 Spanish_Mallorca:ROI096
0.03782150 Spanish_Valencia:ALB389
0.03799777 Spanish_Mallorca:ALE339
0.03803095 Italian_Northeast:ALP081
0.03806225 Spanish_Canarias:CAN11
0.03820600 Spanish_Canarias:CAN1220
0.03827980 Italian_Lombardy:ALP288
0.03834352 Italian_Bergamo:HGDP01152
0.03836290 Italian_Tuscany:NA20504
0.03842003 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige:ALP114
0.03842251 Spanish_Cataluna:HG01537
0.03861571 Spanish_Galicia:GAL11

En mi caso seria:

3x Galicia
22x Portugal
6x Canarias
3x Andalucia
3x Extremadura

Con el top50 tu patron por lo visto es ir desde el Occidente Iberico hasta el Oriente Iberico, no asuma ninguna muestra italiana o francesa, y solo una canaria. Seria curioso intentarlo con el unscaled.

JJJ
01-21-2021, 07:12 PM
Con el top50 tu patron por lo visto es ir desde el Occidente Iberico hasta el Oriente Iberico, no asuma ninguna muestra italiana o francesa, y solo una canaria. Seria curioso intentarlo con el unscaled.

No añadí ninguna muestra extra-iberica para calcular las distancias, solo españolas y portuguesas. Seguro que me aparecerían italianos del Norte y provenzales.

Ruderico
01-21-2021, 07:13 PM
No hay muestras del centro de España suficientes, pero el otro problema es que nadie usa datos de PCA, o de ADMIXTURE como K15/K13, y sus distancias euclidianas para medir distancias genéticas.

JJJ
01-21-2021, 07:36 PM
No hay muestras del centro de España suficientes, pero el otro problema es que nadie usa datos de PCA, o de ADMIXTURE como K15/K13, y sus distancias euclidianas para medir distancias genéticas.

Es lo que tenemos/más sencillo de calcular.

Creo que estas muestras serán las únicas que tendremos por mucho tiempo, o para siempre...

mokordo
01-21-2021, 07:43 PM
No sé que hago...

mokordo
01-21-2021, 07:47 PM
Más bien portugués que tengo mas cercanía genética con ellos, pero sí.

En este caso son todos individuos españoles con 0% NA/SSA/Arabe etc..., y eres el que % más ibérico has sacado.

Los individuos portugueses que hay en el G25 y lso españoles son indistinguibles, los españoles y ellos están todos entremezclados, no hay ninguno fuera del cluster, incluso hay un portugués catalán...

JJJ
01-21-2021, 09:06 PM
En este caso son todos individuos españoles con 0% NA/SSA/Arabe etc..., y eres el que % más ibérico has sacado.

Los individuos portugueses que hay en el G25 y lso españoles son indistinguibles, los españoles y ellos están todos entremezclados, no hay ninguno fuera del cluster, incluso hay un portugués catalán...

Poniendo de europeos a balcánicos, alemanes, ingleses y eslavos no entiendo por qué te sorprende que saque un 85% de ibérico...

Es cierto que hay superposición, pero la mayoría de portugueses dudo que se solapen demasiado con los catalanes.

lilac9
01-22-2021, 12:48 AM
Resultados de una Puertorriqueña.

Target: Michelle_scaled
Distance: 1.4607% / 0.01460722
57.2 Iberian
11.4 Amerindian
9.0 NorthernAfrica
8.0 BritishIsles
5.8 SSA
4.4 Levantine
4.2 Arab

Target: Michelle_scaled
Distance: 1.4591% / 0.01459082
13.8 Iberian:FER033
12.0 Iberian:Soria2
11.8 Iberian:HG01518
11.6 Iberian:CAL107
11.6 Amerindian
9.8 NorthernAfrica:BerberN4
8.0 BritishIsles
5.6 SSA
4.4 Iberian:ALE088
4.0 Arab
3.8 Levantine
2.0 Iberian:BAS35
1.2 Iberian:BAS33
0.4 Iberian:BAS32

Distance to: Michelle_scaled
0.10591015 Iberian:MIQ133
0.10952615 Iberian:SER022
0.11032917 Iberian:GUS202
0.11064291 Iberian:ALE088
0.11064480 Iberian:GUS014
0.11080377 Iberian:HG01512
0.11086068 Iberian:GUS036
0.11108409 Iberian:RAG111
0.11128182 Iberian:Soria2
0.11346811 Iberian:GRA029
0.11416797 Balkan
0.11435122 Iberian:VID016
0.11445252 Iberian:MST073
0.11481483 Iberian:VID014
0.11482237 Iberian:CAL107
0.11485643 Iberian:SAB137
0.11490337 Iberian:COD068
0.11527701 Iberian:SOL083
0.11692914 Iberian:DAN072
0.11738333 Iberian:FER033
0.11784813 Iberian:Navarra3
0.11921534 Iberian:GRA035
0.11972061 Iberian:CAR048
0.11990733 Iberian:CAR016
0.12030376 Iberian:HG01518

En las distancias que significa FER? ¿Qué parte de España es FER? ¡Ni idea de donde me sale 8% British!

lilac9
01-22-2021, 12:50 AM
Resultados de una Puertorriqueña.

Target: Michelle_scaled
Distance: 1.4607% / 0.01460722
57.2 Iberian
11.4 Amerindian
9.0 NorthernAfrica
8.0 BritishIsles
5.8 SSA
4.4 Levantine
4.2 Arab

Target: Michelle_scaled
Distance: 1.4591% / 0.01459082
13.8 Iberian:FER033
12.0 Iberian:Soria2
11.8 Iberian:HG01518
11.6 Iberian:CAL107
11.6 Amerindian
9.8 NorthernAfrica:BerberN4
8.0 BritishIsles
5.6 SSA
4.4 Iberian:ALE088
4.0 Arab
3.8 Levantine
2.0 Iberian:BAS35
1.2 Iberian:BAS33
0.4 Iberian:BAS32

Distance to: Michelle_scaled
0.10591015 Iberian:MIQ133
0.10952615 Iberian:SER022
0.11032917 Iberian:GUS202
0.11064291 Iberian:ALE088
0.11064480 Iberian:GUS014
0.11080377 Iberian:HG01512
0.11086068 Iberian:GUS036
0.11108409 Iberian:RAG111
0.11128182 Iberian:Soria2
0.11346811 Iberian:GRA029
0.11416797 Balkan
0.11435122 Iberian:VID016
0.11445252 Iberian:MST073
0.11481483 Iberian:VID014
0.11482237 Iberian:CAL107
0.11485643 Iberian:SAB137
0.11490337 Iberian:COD068
0.11527701 Iberian:SOL083
0.11692914 Iberian:DAN072
0.11738333 Iberian:FER033
0.11784813 Iberian:Navarra3
0.11921534 Iberian:GRA035
0.11972061 Iberian:CAR048
0.11990733 Iberian:CAR016
0.12030376 Iberian:HG01518

¿ Que significa FER? ¿Qué parte de España es FER? ¡Ni idea de donde me sale 8% British!

¡Ay perdone el doble post! ¡No sé que pasó!

Shadogowah
01-22-2021, 06:48 AM
No es excepcional encontrar ibéricos que puntúan algo en British Isles pero también sabemos que hubo bastantes irlandeses en Puerto Rico

alejandromb92
01-22-2021, 08:55 AM
Resultados de una Puertorriqueña.

Target: Michelle_scaled
Distance: 1.4607% / 0.01460722
57.2 Iberian
11.4 Amerindian
9.0 NorthernAfrica
8.0 BritishIsles
5.8 SSA
4.4 Levantine
4.2 Arab

Target: Michelle_scaled
Distance: 1.4591% / 0.01459082
13.8 Iberian:FER033
12.0 Iberian:Soria2
11.8 Iberian:HG01518
11.6 Iberian:CAL107
11.6 Amerindian
9.8 NorthernAfrica:BerberN4
8.0 BritishIsles
5.6 SSA
4.4 Iberian:ALE088
4.0 Arab
3.8 Levantine
2.0 Iberian:BAS35
1.2 Iberian:BAS33
0.4 Iberian:BAS32

Distance to: Michelle_scaled
0.10591015 Iberian:MIQ133
0.10952615 Iberian:SER022
0.11032917 Iberian:GUS202
0.11064291 Iberian:ALE088
0.11064480 Iberian:GUS014
0.11080377 Iberian:HG01512
0.11086068 Iberian:GUS036
0.11108409 Iberian:RAG111
0.11128182 Iberian:Soria2
0.11346811 Iberian:GRA029
0.11416797 Balkan
0.11435122 Iberian:VID016
0.11445252 Iberian:MST073
0.11481483 Iberian:VID014
0.11482237 Iberian:CAL107
0.11485643 Iberian:SAB137
0.11490337 Iberian:COD068
0.11527701 Iberian:SOL083
0.11692914 Iberian:DAN072
0.11738333 Iberian:FER033
0.11784813 Iberian:Navarra3
0.11921534 Iberian:GRA035
0.11972061 Iberian:CAR048
0.11990733 Iberian:CAR016
0.12030376 Iberian:HG01518

En las distancias que significa FER? ¿Qué parte de España es FER? ¡Ni idea de donde me sale 8% British!

FER es de Castellon.

Intenta este:


Tianyuan:CHN_Tianyuan,-0.027318,-0.260991,-0.075424,0.071383,0.033545,-0.018407,-0.00799,-0.003,0.040291,0.021322,-0.006333,-0.005995,-0.003568,-0.00523,-0.000407,-0.000663,0.008084,0.002407,-0.001131,0.027263,-0.001747,0.008037,-0.008874,-0.010845,0.011256
Gravettian:RUS_Sunghir,0.0401228,0.01244,0.0022628 ,0.0713022,0.030467,-0.0033465,0.0028788,-0.0045,0.0404445,0.0083828,0.011895,-0.0098913,0.0084365,-0.0130397,0.0114685,0.016607,0.0167218,0.0019637,-0.005782,0.029639,0.0263908,0.0058428,-0.0130335,-0.0473262,0.004281
Ancient_North_Eurasian:RUS_AfontovaGora3,0.093335,-0.01828,0.083344,0.231592,-0.091402,0.042949,-0.063688,-0.078228,-0.035383,-0.096221,0.047417,-0.010491,0.023637,-0.074454,0.020358,0.02254,-0.012908,0.003801,-0.003394,0.000625,-0.03706,0.015209,0.013927,0.009278,-0.005149
Early_Anatolian_Farmer:TUR_Barcin_N,0.1175998,0.18 0118,0.0035312,-0.101158,0.0510443,-0.0483875,-0.0043582,-0.0069334,0.0362287,0.0807473,0.0079718,0.0118803,-0.0234545,0.0004691,-0.0419807,-0.0101913,0.0233091,0.0019866,0.0136954,-0.0097489,-0.0142249,0.0057723,-0.0041232,-0.0031658,-0.0043437
Satsurblia_Cluster:GEO_CHG,0.091058,0.102568,-0.083344,-0.00323,-0.08617,0.020638,0.024911,-0.001846,-0.128236,-0.074717,-0.006333,0.023979,-0.054856,0.004404,0.026601,-0.03275,0.02386,-0.013429,-0.022249,0.034767,0.033815,-0.007048,0.006532,-0.025787,-0.002036
Iberomaurusian:MAR_Taforalt,-0.189857,0.0814452,-0.0242866,-0.085595,0.027636,-0.0552202,-0.0705968,0.0184146,0.155397,0.003499,0.0209156,-0.0318316,0.0747168,-0.0513334,0.0711988,-0.0363032,0.0052676,-0.066106,-0.1424162,0.0389938,-0.0376836,-0.1255322,0.0730118,-0.0137606,0.0164534
Western_Hunter-Gatherer:LUX_Loschbour,0.133173,0.106631,0.20176,0 .192186,0.164338,0.055778,0.00611,0.036922,0.09653 5,0.02278,-0.020786,-0.016186,0.024975,-0.007432,0.065824,0.063643,0.008084,0.006714,-0.013324,0.065281,0.120038,0.019166,-0.059405,-0.175687,0.022992
Jomon:JPN_Jomon,0.011003,-0.3440953,-0.0537398,0.0124893,0.038161,0.0139448,-0.0020758,-0.0015383,0.024577,0.0205622,-0.049718,-0.0068938,0.0096878,-0.0069958,-0.023819,-0.0154467,0.006454,0.0099242,0.0024722,-0.0060655,0.0639705,-0.0456895,0.0091615,0.0112062,-0.0994323
Iran_Neolithic:IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N,0.0430252,0.066415 8,-0.1550722,0.0047158,-0.122669,0.0235384,0.017109,-0.0011998,-0.082546,-0.0544158,-0.0028258,-0.0016186,0.0044896,-0.0062756,0.0316498,0.0561384,-0.0054242,0.0068664,0.0136508,-0.0334162,0.00856,-0.028836,-0.0110678,-0.039331,0.0222254
South_Asia_Bronze_Age:IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2,0.043 708,-0.0327002,-0.170006,0.0950268,-0.1047582,0.0568936,0.0063452,0.0041998,0.0056858, 0.0067428,-0.0051964,0.0079128,-0.0018436,-0.0031928,0.0098534,0.0097852,-0.0023732,0.0025084,0.0016342,-0.0142568,0.0029694,-0.0125136,-0.0011832,-0.0119052,0.001317
Western_Steppe_Herder:Yamnaya_RUS_Samara,0.1255849 ,0.089028,0.0426986,0.1153479,-0.0287232,0.0450564,0.0036033,-0.0025642,-0.0559032,-0.0728943,0.0018222,3.32e-05,-0.0026924,-0.0233041,0.0366141,0.0157633,-0.0012316,-0.0017879,-0.0038408,0.0137704,-0.0031749,0.0007557,0.0110649,0.0186102,-0.004537
Eastern_Hunter-Gatherer:RUS_Karelia_HG,0.1236877,0.0321583,0.1298 55,0.2101663,-0.010361,0.0571723,-0.0196627,-0.0234603,-0.002659,-0.0860153,0.0182957,-0.0184337,0.0333497,-0.039085,0.018865,0.0295237,-0.0148203,0.0031673,-0.0044413,0.012506,-0.007487,0.0169817,0.0093667,-0.021007,-0.0103383
Early_Levantine_Farmer:Levant_Natufian,0.020488,0. 1431895,-0.0377125,-0.1387295,0.030775,-0.079484,-0.025616,-0.0175375,0.114329,0.002005,0.0332085,-0.0222555,0.076486,0.002133,0.0153365,0.009016,-0.0154505,-0.001014,-0.02206,0.040832,0.001497,0.0001235,-0.003636,-0.0044585,0.006287
Scandinavian_Hunter-Gatherer:SWE_Motala_HG,0.13249,0.0895696,0.1651034 ,0.187341,0.0864774,0.0551646,-0.00235,0.008538,0.0376324,-0.0389258,0.0016562,-0.0187034,0.0310404,-0.0173406,0.0315686,0.049297,0.005763,0.0024324,-0.006335,0.039744,0.0507604,0.014418,-0.022086,-0.0977008,0.0070412
Rudnaya:RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N,0.0162197,-0.4440402,0.0722185,-0.0511148,-0.0373912,-0.0395328,0.0034075,0.0084802,0.0064935,0.019408,-0.048595,-0.004833,-0.0030848,0.0086702,-0.0096025,-0.0133915,-0.0007825,0.0089,0.0174408,0.0100362,0.008828,-0.027729,-0.0174702,-0.00244,-0.0145795
Beringian:USA_Ancient_Beringian,0.0432525,-0.3051665,0.0873035,0.081073,-0.0887855,-0.020777,-0.1215005,-0.150686,-0.020657,-0.0218685,0.008038,-0.009816,0.0097375,-0.0141065,-0.009093,0.004508,0.002021,0.0119085,0.003017,0.01 39445,-0.005927,0.0059355,0.00721,0.0040965,-0.0006585
Siberian:RUS_Kolyma_Meso,0.043253,-0.337156,0.087492,0.045543,-0.07663,-0.02259,-0.047707,-0.050767,-0.006545,-0.024055,0.005846,-0.006145,0.017988,-0.026424,-0.021851,-0.004243,0.001173,0.012162,0.018101,0.008879,0.004 118,-0.023247,0.013311,0.009158,0.009221
Amerindian:BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP,0.050765,-0.3095332,0.1206032,0.098515,-0.1156522,-0.017626,-0.284645,-0.3400012,-0.0136212,-0.0184422,0.002241,-0.003267,0.0004162,0.017478,-0.0065688,0.0064438,0.006493,-0.001267,0.0026898,0.003727,-0.0010482,0.007963,-0.002662,-0.0043378,0.001413
West_Africa_Early_Stone_Age:CMR_Shum_Laka_8000BP,-0.602693,0.055346,0.0148965,0.0263245,-0.0064625,0.00502,0.1243205,-0.099919,0.0138055,-0.007016,-0.00065,-0.0242785,-0.0203665,-0.0052295,0.0021035,-0.00179,0.0127125,0.017356,-0.0011945,-0.0040645,-0.003494,-0.000371,0.0016025,-0.0009035,-0.0020955
Kura-Araxes:Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps,0.1013025,0.133034,-0.07071,-0.043605,-0.0498555,-0.0092035,0.008108,-0.011653,-0.066368,-0.01631,0.0030855,0.011015,-0.019846,0.005849,0.0042075,-0.0102095,-0.0001305,-0.003927,-0.001697,0.0032515,0.003494,-0.000247,-0.0036975,-0.0090975,-0.0030535
Botai:KAZ_Botai,0.102441,-0.0832737,0.0902577,0.1761437,-0.082169,0.0394163,-0.0436337,-0.050613,-0.029247,-0.081338,0.027281,-0.0073933,0.0240333,-0.0694997,0.0219413,0.0205953,-0.011604,-0.00114,0.0001677,-0.002835,-0.0347723,0.017765,0.023787,0.0040567,-0.0082623
Pre-Pottery_Neolithic:Levant_PPNB,0.072847,0.1639064,-0.0316026,-0.1361132,0.0332986,-0.0645352,-0.0134426,-0.0147684,0.0741604,0.03601,0.0188046,-0.0150764,0.035738,0.0025596,-0.0217696,0.006099,0.0098048,-0.0013176,-0.0047264,0.0188088,-0.001797,0.0071472,0.0008872,-0.0056874,-0.0037602
Maykop:RUS_Maykop,0.104717,0.122879,-0.049403,-0.019703,-0.047701,-0.011156,0.01034,-0.005307,-0.049086,-0.015308,0.008444,0.005545,-0.015907,-0.002752,-0.002172,-0.007955,0.009127,0.003927,-0.005531,-0.006503,-0.002995,0.000866,-0.019596,-0.019521,0.009101
Iran_Mesolithic:IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso,0.052359,0.06499 4,-0.124073,0.043282,-0.112636,0.019522,0.003995,-0.007615,-0.071992,-0.053031,0.009906,0.008842,0.001933,-0.017616,0.030673,0.055157,0.004824,-0.010769,0.010559,-0.029389,0.001123,-0.013231,-0.00493,-0.022413,0.025507

rober_tce
01-22-2021, 10:44 AM
Target: Rober_scaled
Distance: 0.8341% / 0.00834119
88.0 Iberian
5.2 Arab
5.0 NorthernAfrica
1.0 India
0.8 SSA

rober_tce
01-22-2021, 10:57 AM
Resultados de una Puertorriqueña.

Target: Michelle_scaled
Distance: 1.4607% / 0.01460722
57.2 Iberian
11.4 Amerindian
9.0 NorthernAfrica
8.0 BritishIsles
5.8 SSA
4.4 Levantine
4.2 Arab

Target: Michelle_scaled
Distance: 1.4591% / 0.01459082
13.8 Iberian:FER033
12.0 Iberian:Soria2
11.8 Iberian:HG01518
11.6 Iberian:CAL107
11.6 Amerindian
9.8 NorthernAfrica:BerberN4
8.0 BritishIsles
5.6 SSA
4.4 Iberian:ALE088
4.0 Arab
3.8 Levantine
2.0 Iberian:BAS35
1.2 Iberian:BAS33
0.4 Iberian:BAS32

Distance to: Michelle_scaled
0.10591015 Iberian:MIQ133
0.10952615 Iberian:SER022
0.11032917 Iberian:GUS202
0.11064291 Iberian:ALE088
0.11064480 Iberian:GUS014
0.11080377 Iberian:HG01512
0.11086068 Iberian:GUS036
0.11108409 Iberian:RAG111
0.11128182 Iberian:Soria2
0.11346811 Iberian:GRA029
0.11416797 Balkan
0.11435122 Iberian:VID016
0.11445252 Iberian:MST073
0.11481483 Iberian:VID014
0.11482237 Iberian:CAL107
0.11485643 Iberian:SAB137
0.11490337 Iberian:COD068
0.11527701 Iberian:SOL083
0.11692914 Iberian:DAN072
0.11738333 Iberian:FER033
0.11784813 Iberian:Navarra3
0.11921534 Iberian:GRA035
0.11972061 Iberian:CAR048
0.11990733 Iberian:CAR016
0.12030376 Iberian:HG01518

¿ Que significa FER? ¿Qué parte de España es FER? ¡Ni idea de donde me sale 8% British!

¡Ay perdone el doble post! ¡No sé que pasó!

En estos resultados se aprecian una vez más, así como veo en muchos de 23andMe de personas procedentes de Latinoamérica, que las crónicas históricas referentes a la entrada de judeoconversos y moriscos en América se ajustan a los resultados genéticos.

Shadogowah
01-22-2021, 11:44 AM
En estos resultados se aprecian una vez más, así como veo en muchos de 23andMe de personas procedentes de Latinoamérica, que las crónicas históricas referentes a la entrada de judeoconversos y moriscos en América se ajustan a los resultados genéticos.

Yo soy más de la teoría de que los españoles de hace cuatro siglos provenían principalmente del sur y el oeste y tenían mas MENA que los actuales.

alejandromb92
01-22-2021, 12:10 PM
No se les olvide la importancia que tuvieron los canarios eb la época colonial a la hora de poblar América. De ahí viene esa genética que tanto llama la atención.

JJJ
01-22-2021, 12:51 PM
No se les olvide la importancia que tuvieron los canarios eb la época colonial a la hora de poblar América. De ahí viene esa genética que tanto llama la atención.

En 23andme hasta ahora solo he visto a canarios con vínculos en el otro lado del charco.

https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?19484-Recopilatorio-Hispano-Portugueses-en-23andMe&p=648781&viewfull=1#post648781

CyrylBojarski
01-22-2021, 01:38 PM
Target: Cyryl_scaled
Distance: 1.8416% / 0.01841595
78.4 Slav
8.8 Balkan
7.4 Iberian
3.4 Iran
2.0 Levantine

Without Iberian


Target: Cyryl_scaled
Distance: 1.8698% / 0.01869786
76.2 Slav
15.6 Balkan
4.0 BritishIsles
2.6 Levantine
1.6 Iran


I get some Iberian. Very likely, because you use East Slavs for Slavic and I am mainly West Slav and we have additional Celto-Germanic admixture and it unites with my southern ancestry and Iberian appears

Mis
01-22-2021, 02:08 PM
Odległość do: Mis_skalowany {Słowianin}
0,03070539 słowiański
0,04644636 Niemiecki
0,06181612 Wyspy Brytyjskie
0,08177322 Iberyjski: GUS202
0,08391197 Iberyjski: MST073
0,08495717 Iberyjski: COD068
0,08680134 Iberyjski: CAR048
0,08697908 Iberyjski: MIQ133
0,08761437 Iberyjski: VID016
0,08970495 Iberyjski: VID014
0,09021467 Iberyjski: SOL083
0,09025062 Iberyjski: GUS014
0,09162424 Iberyjski: SER022
0,09170272 Iberyjski: GRA029
0,09263842 Iberyjski: HG01512
0,09293328 bałkański
0,09387795 Iberyjski: FER033
0,09407109 Iberyjski: DAN072
0,09428902 Iberyjski: ALE088
0,09622219 Iberyjski: HG01515
0,09630894 Iberyjski: SAB137
0,09849554 Iberyjski: GUS036
0,09919680 Iberyjski: HG01518
0,09944029 Iberyjski: CAR016
0,09972907 Iberyjski: Soria2
Cel: Mis_skalowany
Dystans: 1,9683% / 0,01968263 | ADC: 0,5x RC
72,0 słowiański
14.0 Niemiecki
14.0 iberyjski
Odległość do: Mis_skalowany
0,01980282 19,00% iberyjski: CAL107 + 81,00% słow
0,02021021 20,80% iberyjski: SOL083 + 79,20% słowiański
0,02048259 18,40% iberyjski: HG01516 + 81,60% słowiański
0,02063537 17,20% iberyjski: BAS33 + 82,80% słowiański
0,02083492 17,60% iberyjski: BAS31 + 82,40% słowiański
0,02093887 20,00% iberyjski: HG01512 + 80,00% słowiański
0,02103596 18,60% iberyjski: Soria2 + 81,40% słowiański
0,02117003 17,80% iberyjski: Navarra3 + 82,20% słowiański
0,02120755 19,60% iberyjski: FER033 + 80,40% słowiański
0,02126346 65,00% słowiański + 35,00% niemiecki

alejandromb92
01-22-2021, 02:15 PM
En 23andme hasta ahora solo he visto a canarios con vínculos en el otro lado del charco.

https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?19484-Recopilatorio-Hispano-Portugueses-en-23andMe&p=648781&viewfull=1#post648781

Es que la grandisima cantidad de canarios que fueron a America (con nucleos muy fuertes en Venezuela y Cuba) en epoca colonial y el siglo pasado, da para suponer que casi todos tienen primos, lejanos o no, del otro lado del charco, a diferencia de los castellanos, catalanes, aragoneses y valencianos que tendran bastante poco de relacion hoy en dia con la gente alla.

sweuro
01-22-2021, 05:01 PM
Distance: 1.2417% / 0.01241742
86.4 Iberian
5.8 Arab
3.4 Slav
2.8 NorthernAfrica
1.2 German
0.4 Amerindian

lilac9
01-22-2021, 06:18 PM
FER es de Castellon.

Intenta este:


Tianyuan:CHN_Tianyuan,-0.027318,-0.260991,-0.075424,0.071383,0.033545,-0.018407,-0.00799,-0.003,0.040291,0.021322,-0.006333,-0.005995,-0.003568,-0.00523,-0.000407,-0.000663,0.008084,0.002407,-0.001131,0.027263,-0.001747,0.008037,-0.008874,-0.010845,0.011256
Gravettian:RUS_Sunghir,0.0401228,0.01244,0.0022628 ,0.0713022,0.030467,-0.0033465,0.0028788,-0.0045,0.0404445,0.0083828,0.011895,-0.0098913,0.0084365,-0.0130397,0.0114685,0.016607,0.0167218,0.0019637,-0.005782,0.029639,0.0263908,0.0058428,-0.0130335,-0.0473262,0.004281
Ancient_North_Eurasian:RUS_AfontovaGora3,0.093335,-0.01828,0.083344,0.231592,-0.091402,0.042949,-0.063688,-0.078228,-0.035383,-0.096221,0.047417,-0.010491,0.023637,-0.074454,0.020358,0.02254,-0.012908,0.003801,-0.003394,0.000625,-0.03706,0.015209,0.013927,0.009278,-0.005149
Early_Anatolian_Farmer:TUR_Barcin_N,0.1175998,0.18 0118,0.0035312,-0.101158,0.0510443,-0.0483875,-0.0043582,-0.0069334,0.0362287,0.0807473,0.0079718,0.0118803,-0.0234545,0.0004691,-0.0419807,-0.0101913,0.0233091,0.0019866,0.0136954,-0.0097489,-0.0142249,0.0057723,-0.0041232,-0.0031658,-0.0043437
Satsurblia_Cluster:GEO_CHG,0.091058,0.102568,-0.083344,-0.00323,-0.08617,0.020638,0.024911,-0.001846,-0.128236,-0.074717,-0.006333,0.023979,-0.054856,0.004404,0.026601,-0.03275,0.02386,-0.013429,-0.022249,0.034767,0.033815,-0.007048,0.006532,-0.025787,-0.002036
Iberomaurusian:MAR_Taforalt,-0.189857,0.0814452,-0.0242866,-0.085595,0.027636,-0.0552202,-0.0705968,0.0184146,0.155397,0.003499,0.0209156,-0.0318316,0.0747168,-0.0513334,0.0711988,-0.0363032,0.0052676,-0.066106,-0.1424162,0.0389938,-0.0376836,-0.1255322,0.0730118,-0.0137606,0.0164534
Western_Hunter-Gatherer:LUX_Loschbour,0.133173,0.106631,0.20176,0 .192186,0.164338,0.055778,0.00611,0.036922,0.09653 5,0.02278,-0.020786,-0.016186,0.024975,-0.007432,0.065824,0.063643,0.008084,0.006714,-0.013324,0.065281,0.120038,0.019166,-0.059405,-0.175687,0.022992
Jomon:JPN_Jomon,0.011003,-0.3440953,-0.0537398,0.0124893,0.038161,0.0139448,-0.0020758,-0.0015383,0.024577,0.0205622,-0.049718,-0.0068938,0.0096878,-0.0069958,-0.023819,-0.0154467,0.006454,0.0099242,0.0024722,-0.0060655,0.0639705,-0.0456895,0.0091615,0.0112062,-0.0994323
Iran_Neolithic:IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N,0.0430252,0.066415 8,-0.1550722,0.0047158,-0.122669,0.0235384,0.017109,-0.0011998,-0.082546,-0.0544158,-0.0028258,-0.0016186,0.0044896,-0.0062756,0.0316498,0.0561384,-0.0054242,0.0068664,0.0136508,-0.0334162,0.00856,-0.028836,-0.0110678,-0.039331,0.0222254
South_Asia_Bronze_Age:IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2,0.043 708,-0.0327002,-0.170006,0.0950268,-0.1047582,0.0568936,0.0063452,0.0041998,0.0056858, 0.0067428,-0.0051964,0.0079128,-0.0018436,-0.0031928,0.0098534,0.0097852,-0.0023732,0.0025084,0.0016342,-0.0142568,0.0029694,-0.0125136,-0.0011832,-0.0119052,0.001317
Western_Steppe_Herder:Yamnaya_RUS_Samara,0.1255849 ,0.089028,0.0426986,0.1153479,-0.0287232,0.0450564,0.0036033,-0.0025642,-0.0559032,-0.0728943,0.0018222,3.32e-05,-0.0026924,-0.0233041,0.0366141,0.0157633,-0.0012316,-0.0017879,-0.0038408,0.0137704,-0.0031749,0.0007557,0.0110649,0.0186102,-0.004537
Eastern_Hunter-Gatherer:RUS_Karelia_HG,0.1236877,0.0321583,0.1298 55,0.2101663,-0.010361,0.0571723,-0.0196627,-0.0234603,-0.002659,-0.0860153,0.0182957,-0.0184337,0.0333497,-0.039085,0.018865,0.0295237,-0.0148203,0.0031673,-0.0044413,0.012506,-0.007487,0.0169817,0.0093667,-0.021007,-0.0103383
Early_Levantine_Farmer:Levant_Natufian,0.020488,0. 1431895,-0.0377125,-0.1387295,0.030775,-0.079484,-0.025616,-0.0175375,0.114329,0.002005,0.0332085,-0.0222555,0.076486,0.002133,0.0153365,0.009016,-0.0154505,-0.001014,-0.02206,0.040832,0.001497,0.0001235,-0.003636,-0.0044585,0.006287
Scandinavian_Hunter-Gatherer:SWE_Motala_HG,0.13249,0.0895696,0.1651034 ,0.187341,0.0864774,0.0551646,-0.00235,0.008538,0.0376324,-0.0389258,0.0016562,-0.0187034,0.0310404,-0.0173406,0.0315686,0.049297,0.005763,0.0024324,-0.006335,0.039744,0.0507604,0.014418,-0.022086,-0.0977008,0.0070412
Rudnaya:RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N,0.0162197,-0.4440402,0.0722185,-0.0511148,-0.0373912,-0.0395328,0.0034075,0.0084802,0.0064935,0.019408,-0.048595,-0.004833,-0.0030848,0.0086702,-0.0096025,-0.0133915,-0.0007825,0.0089,0.0174408,0.0100362,0.008828,-0.027729,-0.0174702,-0.00244,-0.0145795
Beringian:USA_Ancient_Beringian,0.0432525,-0.3051665,0.0873035,0.081073,-0.0887855,-0.020777,-0.1215005,-0.150686,-0.020657,-0.0218685,0.008038,-0.009816,0.0097375,-0.0141065,-0.009093,0.004508,0.002021,0.0119085,0.003017,0.01 39445,-0.005927,0.0059355,0.00721,0.0040965,-0.0006585
Siberian:RUS_Kolyma_Meso,0.043253,-0.337156,0.087492,0.045543,-0.07663,-0.02259,-0.047707,-0.050767,-0.006545,-0.024055,0.005846,-0.006145,0.017988,-0.026424,-0.021851,-0.004243,0.001173,0.012162,0.018101,0.008879,0.004 118,-0.023247,0.013311,0.009158,0.009221
Amerindian:BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP,0.050765,-0.3095332,0.1206032,0.098515,-0.1156522,-0.017626,-0.284645,-0.3400012,-0.0136212,-0.0184422,0.002241,-0.003267,0.0004162,0.017478,-0.0065688,0.0064438,0.006493,-0.001267,0.0026898,0.003727,-0.0010482,0.007963,-0.002662,-0.0043378,0.001413
West_Africa_Early_Stone_Age:CMR_Shum_Laka_8000BP,-0.602693,0.055346,0.0148965,0.0263245,-0.0064625,0.00502,0.1243205,-0.099919,0.0138055,-0.007016,-0.00065,-0.0242785,-0.0203665,-0.0052295,0.0021035,-0.00179,0.0127125,0.017356,-0.0011945,-0.0040645,-0.003494,-0.000371,0.0016025,-0.0009035,-0.0020955
Kura-Araxes:Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps,0.1013025,0.133034,-0.07071,-0.043605,-0.0498555,-0.0092035,0.008108,-0.011653,-0.066368,-0.01631,0.0030855,0.011015,-0.019846,0.005849,0.0042075,-0.0102095,-0.0001305,-0.003927,-0.001697,0.0032515,0.003494,-0.000247,-0.0036975,-0.0090975,-0.0030535
Botai:KAZ_Botai,0.102441,-0.0832737,0.0902577,0.1761437,-0.082169,0.0394163,-0.0436337,-0.050613,-0.029247,-0.081338,0.027281,-0.0073933,0.0240333,-0.0694997,0.0219413,0.0205953,-0.011604,-0.00114,0.0001677,-0.002835,-0.0347723,0.017765,0.023787,0.0040567,-0.0082623
Pre-Pottery_Neolithic:Levant_PPNB,0.072847,0.1639064,-0.0316026,-0.1361132,0.0332986,-0.0645352,-0.0134426,-0.0147684,0.0741604,0.03601,0.0188046,-0.0150764,0.035738,0.0025596,-0.0217696,0.006099,0.0098048,-0.0013176,-0.0047264,0.0188088,-0.001797,0.0071472,0.0008872,-0.0056874,-0.0037602
Maykop:RUS_Maykop,0.104717,0.122879,-0.049403,-0.019703,-0.047701,-0.011156,0.01034,-0.005307,-0.049086,-0.015308,0.008444,0.005545,-0.015907,-0.002752,-0.002172,-0.007955,0.009127,0.003927,-0.005531,-0.006503,-0.002995,0.000866,-0.019596,-0.019521,0.009101
Iran_Mesolithic:IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso,0.052359,0.06499 4,-0.124073,0.043282,-0.112636,0.019522,0.003995,-0.007615,-0.071992,-0.053031,0.009906,0.008842,0.001933,-0.017616,0.030673,0.055157,0.004824,-0.010769,0.010559,-0.029389,0.001123,-0.013231,-0.00493,-0.022413,0.025507

Distance to: Michelle_scaled
0.15231318 Gravettian:RUS_Sunghir
0.16921646 Maykop:RUS_Maykop
0.19162085 Kura-Araxes:Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
0.19465476 Early_Anatolian_Farmer:TUR_Barcin_N
0.20605851 Western_Steppe_Herder:Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.20767305 Pre-Pottery_Neolithic:Levant_PPNB
0.24044646 Early_Levantine_Farmer:Levant_Natufian
0.26689162 Iran_Mesolithic:IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso
0.27384958 Satsurblia_Cluster:GEO_CHG
0.28774939 Eastern_Hunter-Gatherer:RUS_Karelia_HG
0.29936056 Iran_Neolithic:IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
0.29996100 Scandinavian_Hunter-Gatherer:SWE_Motala_HG
0.30950006 South_Asia_Bronze_Age:IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2
0.31736427 Botai:KAZ_Botai
0.33664907 Ancient_North_Eurasian:RUS_AfontovaGora3
0.39874465 Tianyuan:CHN_Tianyuan
0.39998104 Iberomaurusian:MAR_Taforalt
0.41014414 Western_Hunter-Gatherer:LUX_Loschbour
0.45294811 Beringian:USA_Ancient_Beringian
0.45443194 Siberian:RUS_Kolyma_Meso
0.47823386 Jomon:JPN_Jomon
0.55571026 Rudnaya:RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N
0.59471312 Amerindian:BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
0.68352557 West_Africa_Early_Stone_Age:CMR_Shum_Laka_8000BP

Target: Michelle_scaled
Distance: 3.3690% / 0.03368959
44.2 Early_Anatolian_Farmer:TUR_Barcin_N
26.0 Western_Steppe_Herder:Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
10.0 Amerindian:BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
7.6 Iberomaurusian:MAR_Taforalt
7.4 Western_Hunter-Gatherer:LUX_Loschbour
4.8 West_Africa_Early_Stone_Age:CMR_Shum_Laka_8000BP

lilac9
01-22-2021, 06:21 PM
No es excepcional encontrar ibéricos que puntúan algo en British Isles pero también sabemos que hubo bastantes irlandeses en Puerto Rico

Si ya veo por otros resultados que algunos ibéricos tienen British Isles. Si irlandeses se fueron a Puerto Rico pero no he encontrado ninguno en mi genealogia.

lilac9
01-22-2021, 06:29 PM
Perdone la molestia pero alguien me puede decir de que parte de España provienen estas muestras.

Distance to: Michelle_scaled
0.10591015 Iberian:MIQ133
0.10952615 Iberian:SER022
0.11032917 Iberian:GUS202
0.11064291 Iberian:ALE088
0.11064480 Iberian:GUS014
0.11080377 Iberian:HG01512
0.11086068 Iberian:GUS036
0.11108409 Iberian:RAG111
0.11128182 Iberian:Soria2
0.11346811 Iberian:GRA029
0.11416797 Balkan
0.11435122 Iberian:VID016
0.11445252 Iberian:MST073
0.11481483 Iberian:VID014
0.11482237 Iberian:CAL107
0.11485643 Iberian:SAB137
0.11490337 Iberian:COD068
0.11527701 Iberian:SOL083
0.11692914 IberianAN072
0.11738333 Iberian:FER033
0.11784813 Iberian:Navarra3
0.11921534 Iberian:GRA035
0.11972061 Iberian:CAR048
0.11990733 Iberian:CAR016
0.12030376 Iberian:HG01518

Entiendo Navarra pero las otras abreviaturas no. No sé de donde proviene mi sangre española. Sólo se que los mas recientes; un bisabuelo paterno de Lobios, Orense, Galicia y un tatarabuelo de Robles de Laciana, Castilla la Vieja.

mokordo
01-22-2021, 07:00 PM
Perdone la molestia pero alguien me puede decir de que parte de España provienen estas muestras.


Entiendo Navarra pero las otras abreviaturas no. No sé de donde proviene mi sangre española. Sólo se que los mas recientes; un bisabuelo paterno de Lobios, Orense, Galicia y un tatarabuelo de Robles de Laciana, Castilla la Vieja.

Son estas:

Distance to: Iberian:BAS35
0.00000000 Basque_Spanish:BAS35

Distance to: Iberian:BAS33
0.00000000 Basque_Spanish:BAS33

Distance to: Iberian:BAS32
0.00000000 Basque_Spanish:BAS32

Distance to: Iberian:BAS31
0.00000000 Basque_Spanish:BAS31

Distance to: Iberian:BAS30
0.00000000 Basque_Spanish:BAS30

Distance to: Iberian:BAS28
0.00000000 Basque_Spanish:BAS28

Distance to: Iberian:BAS27
0.00000000 Basque_Spanish:BAS27

Distance to: Iberian:BAS25
0.00000000 Basque_Spanish:BAS25

Distance to: Iberian:BAS22
0.00000000 Basque_Spanish:BAS22

Distance to: Iberian:HG01518
0.00000000 Spanish_Pais_Vasco:HG01518

Distance to: Iberian:HG01516
0.00000000 Spanish_Pais_Vasco:HG01516

Distance to: Iberian:HG01515
0.00000000 Spanish_Pais_Vasco:HG01515

Distance to: Iberian:ALE088
0.00000000 Spanish_Penedes:ALE088

Distance to: Iberian:Navarra3
0.00000000 Spanish_Navarra:Navarra3

Distance to: Iberian:VID014
0.00000000 Spanish_Barcelones:VID014

Distance to: Iberian:GRA035
0.00000000 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona:GRA035

Distance to: Iberian:GUS202
0.00000000 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona:GUS202

Distance to: Iberian:HG01512
0.00000000 Spanish_Cantabria:HG01512

Distance to: Iberian:FER033
0.00000000 Spanish_Castello:FER033

Distance to: Iberian:CAL107
0.00000000 Spanish_Catalunya_Central:CAL107

Distance to: Iberian:CAR048
0.00000000 Spanish_Catalunya_Central:CAR048

Distance to: Iberian:COD068
0.00000000 Spanish_Catalunya_Central:COD068

Distance to: Iberian:SOL083
0.00000000 Spanish_Catalunya_Central:SOL083

Distance to: Iberian:DAN072
0.00000000 Spanish_Girona:DAN072

Distance to: Iberian:VID016
0.00000000 Spanish_Girona:VID016

Distance to: Iberian:MIQ133
0.00000000 Spanish_Lleida:MIQ133

Distance to: Iberian:GUS036
0.00000000 Spanish_Lleida:GUS036

Distance to: Iberian:GUS014
0.00000000 Spanish_Lleida:GUS014

Distance to: Iberian:MST073
0.00000000 Spanish_Mallorca:MST073

Distance to: Iberian:SER022
0.00000000 Spanish_Penedes:SER022

Distance to: Iberian:CAL053
0.00000000 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona:CAL053

Distance to: Iberian:CAR016
0.00000000 Spanish_Pirineu:CAR016

Distance to: Iberian:GRA029
0.00000000 Spanish_Pirineu:GRA029

Distance to: Iberian:SAB137
0.00000000 Spanish_Pirineu:SAB137

Distance to: Iberian:Soria2
0.00000000 Spanish_Soria:Soria2

Distance to: Iberian:RAG111
0.00000000 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre:RAG111

lilac9
01-22-2021, 07:40 PM
Son estas:

Distance to: Iberian:BAS35
0.00000000 Basque_Spanish:BAS35

Distance to: Iberian:BAS33
0.00000000 Basque_Spanish:BAS33

Distance to: Iberian:BAS32
0.00000000 Basque_Spanish:BAS32

Distance to: Iberian:BAS31
0.00000000 Basque_Spanish:BAS31

Distance to: Iberian:BAS30
0.00000000 Basque_Spanish:BAS30

Distance to: Iberian:BAS28
0.00000000 Basque_Spanish:BAS28

Distance to: Iberian:BAS27
0.00000000 Basque_Spanish:BAS27

Distance to: Iberian:BAS25
0.00000000 Basque_Spanish:BAS25

Distance to: Iberian:BAS22
0.00000000 Basque_Spanish:BAS22

Distance to: Iberian:HG01518
0.00000000 Spanish_Pais_Vasco:HG01518

Distance to: Iberian:HG01516
0.00000000 Spanish_Pais_Vasco:HG01516

Distance to: Iberian:HG01515
0.00000000 Spanish_Pais_Vasco:HG01515

Distance to: Iberian:ALE088
0.00000000 Spanish_Penedes:ALE088

Distance to: Iberian:Navarra3
0.00000000 Spanish_Navarra:Navarra3

Distance to: Iberian:VID014
0.00000000 Spanish_Barcelones:VID014

Distance to: Iberian:GRA035
0.00000000 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona:GRA035

Distance to: Iberian:GUS202
0.00000000 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona:GUS202

Distance to: Iberian:HG01512
0.00000000 Spanish_Cantabria:HG01512

Distance to: Iberian:FER033
0.00000000 Spanish_Castello:FER033

Distance to: Iberian:CAL107
0.00000000 Spanish_Catalunya_Central:CAL107

Distance to: Iberian:CAR048
0.00000000 Spanish_Catalunya_Central:CAR048

Distance to: Iberian:COD068
0.00000000 Spanish_Catalunya_Central:COD068

Distance to: Iberian:SOL083
0.00000000 Spanish_Catalunya_Central:SOL083

Distance to: Iberian:DAN072
0.00000000 Spanish_Girona:DAN072

Distance to: Iberian:VID016
0.00000000 Spanish_Girona:VID016

Distance to: Iberian:MIQ133
0.00000000 Spanish_Lleida:MIQ133

Distance to: Iberian:GUS036
0.00000000 Spanish_Lleida:GUS036

Distance to: Iberian:GUS014
0.00000000 Spanish_Lleida:GUS014

Distance to: Iberian:MST073
0.00000000 Spanish_Mallorca:MST073

Distance to: Iberian:SER022
0.00000000 Spanish_Penedes:SER022

Distance to: Iberian:CAL053
0.00000000 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona:CAL053

Distance to: Iberian:CAR016
0.00000000 Spanish_Pirineu:CAR016

Distance to: Iberian:GRA029
0.00000000 Spanish_Pirineu:GRA029

Distance to: Iberian:SAB137
0.00000000 Spanish_Pirineu:SAB137

Distance to: Iberian:Soria2
0.00000000 Spanish_Soria:Soria2

Distance to: Iberian:RAG111
0.00000000 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre:RAG111

Muchas gracias! Ahora tengo que usar google para ver donde esta la primera mas cercana a mi! Lleida! Lol!

Luso
01-22-2021, 07:41 PM
Target: Luso_scaled
Distance: 1.6654% / 0.01665366
83.8 Iberian
13.6 NorthernAfrica
1.4 Slav
0.8 India
0.4 SSA

Distance to: Luso_scaled
0.04240459 Iberian:VID014
0.04354715 Iberian:VID016
0.04394995 Iberian:GUS014
0.04426722 Iberian:COD068
0.04511253 Iberian:SOL083
0.04572789 Iberian:GRA029
0.04625006 Iberian:GUS036
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lilac9
01-22-2021, 07:46 PM
Ya veo que no usas muestras de las Canarias. ADNTRO tampoco las usa. Alli tengo un 55% identidad genetica con Extremadura y un 45% con Galicia.

mokordo
01-22-2021, 08:36 PM
Ya veo que no usas muestras de las Canarias. ADNTRO tampoco las usa. Alli tengo un 55% identidad genetica con Extremadura y un 45% con Galicia.

Solo usé muestras individuales que no tuvieran aporte no europeo (o no fuera apreciable), normalmente solo usamos para eso las muestras vascas, cuando resulta que hay de otras partes también.

Al final todas las muestras peninsulares sin aporte no europeo acaban funcionando de la misma forma que funcionan las muestras vascas en los modelos, haciendo aflorar cualquier aporte no europeo, pero tienen la novedad que en principio, darán menores distancias a personas sin una clara ascendencia vasca.

Aben Aboo
01-23-2021, 06:05 AM
Hello, mine:

With Balkan
Target: AbenAboo_scaled
Distance: 1.6526% / 0.01652646
45.0 Iberian
14.0 BritishIsles
13.8 NorthernAfrica
11.6 Balkan
9.2 Slav
4.8 Levantine
1.6 SSA

Target: AbenAboo_scaled
Distance: 1.7170% / 0.01716954 | ADC: 0.25x RC
39.6 Iberian
26.2 German
16.8 Balkan
16.4 NorthernAfrica
1.0 SSA

And with no Balkan
Target: AbenAboo_scaled
Distance: 1.6822% / 0.01682207
49.8 Iberian
14.4 Slav
12.6 NorthernAfrica
11.8 BritishIsles
9.6 Levantine
1.8 SSA

Target: AbenAboo_scaled
Distance: 1.7874% / 0.01787381 | ADC: 0.25x RC
46.8 Iberian
20.2 German
18.0 NorthernAfrica
7.8 Slav
4.8 Iran
2.4 Levantine

rober_tce
01-23-2021, 10:03 AM
Yo soy más de la teoría de que los españoles de hace cuatro siglos provenían principalmente del sur y el oeste y tenían mas MENA que los actuales.

Es una teoría muy lícita, es más creo ésta también contribuye a todo esto, junto a la emigración de conversos de judío o de “moro”, de hecho algunas muestras medievales peninsulares sugieren lo que estás comentando.

Shadogowah
01-23-2021, 07:19 PM
Es una teoría muy lícita, es más creo ésta también contribuye a todo esto, junto a la emigración de conversos de judío o de “moro”, de hecho algunas muestras medievales peninsulares sugieren lo que estás comentando.

Yo creo que la comunidad judía en España aún siendo grande comparada con la de otros reinos europeos, seguía siendo extraordinariamente pequeña en comparación con el conjunto de la población. En tu propio caso, tu ascendencia judía si no recuerdo mal era por parte italiana ¿No?

rober_tce
01-23-2021, 11:38 PM
Yo creo que la comunidad judía en España aún siendo grande comparada con la de otros reinos europeos, seguía siendo extraordinariamente pequeña en comparación con el conjunto de la población. En tu propio caso, tu ascendencia judía si no recuerdo mal era por parte italiana ¿No?

Realmente la comunidad judía Sefaradi en Hispania era pequeña en comparación con el resto de peninsulares, aunque también tenemos documentado que llegaron a América conversos de judío. Hay un movimiento en Latinoamérica que de hecho reivindica las raíces judías, lo que pasa que lo hace a través de los supuestos apellidos judíos, una falacia como un templo, ya que no existen apellidos judíos específicos españoles, a excepción del que se llame Levy o Cohen, o Abulafia en la provincia de Jaén (ya que se ha descubierto que portadores de este apellido en dicho antiguo y Santo Reino de Jaén eran prácticamente todos conversos). Por ello sigo pensando que tu hipótesis y la mía pueden casar perfectamente, no se podría explicar una cosa sin la otra, en mi opinión.

Con respecto a lo italiano, estuve investigando por si iban por ahí los tiros, pero acabé descubriendo que mi ascendencia venía de un linaje judío castellano.

Edito: lo del tema italiano, y que a través de ahí indagué hipotéticas conexiones con conversos italianos, vino porque estuve investigando un apellido oriundo del país transalpino que creía que estaba en mi familia, y resultó que fue una pista falsa por así decirlo, así que me quedé sin ascendencia italiana reciente hahaha aunque si pudiera demostrar que hay romanos en mis venas, como supongo que así será, sería muy feliz. De hecho, creo que el porcentaje que nos sale a casi todos los ibéricos de italiano en 23andMe en v5.2 proviene de dicho legado que nos dejó Roma.

Shadogowah
01-24-2021, 12:17 PM
Realmente la comunidad judía Sefaradi en Hispania era pequeña en comparación con el resto de peninsulares, aunque también tenemos documentado que llegaron a América conversos de judío. Hay un movimiento en Latinoamérica que de hecho reivindica las raíces judías, lo que pasa que lo hace a través de los supuestos apellidos judíos, una falacia como un templo, ya que no existen apellidos judíos específicos españoles, a excepción del que se llame Levy o Cohen, o Abulafia en la provincia de Jaén (ya que se ha descubierto que portadores de este apellido en dicho antiguo y Santo Reino de Jaén eran prácticamente todos conversos). Por ello sigo pensando que tu hipótesis y la mía pueden casar perfectamente, no se podría explicar una cosa sin la otra, en mi opinión.

Con respecto a lo italiano, estuve investigando por si iban por ahí los tiros, pero acabé descubriendo que mi ascendencia venía de un linaje judío castellano.

Edito: lo del tema italiano, y que a través de ahí indagué hipotéticas conexiones con conversos italianos, vino porque estuve investigando un apellido oriundo del país transalpino que creía que estaba en mi familia, y resultó que fue una pista falsa por así decirlo, así que me quedé sin ascendencia italiana reciente hahaha aunque si pudiera demostrar que hay romanos en mis venas, como supongo que así será, sería muy feliz. De hecho, creo que el porcentaje que nos sale a casi todos los ibéricos de italiano en 23andMe en v5.2 proviene de dicho legado que nos dejó Roma.

Casan perfectamente porque ser judío converso implica, de hecho, haber dejado de contar cómo judío y a la larga era la religión y la cultura el hecho diferencial determinante. Yo parto de que ya en el siglo XV habría bastantes descendientes de conversos en España (decenas de miles, quizás cien mil), muchos más que judíos pero todavía pocos frente a una población de millones.

Pero aún con esos cien mil, el aporte judío sigue siendo muy minoritario en el conjunto de nuestro porcentaje MENA si tenemos en cuenta, como dices, todo lo que recibimos del Mediterráneo y el norte de África desde la edad del hierro hasta la edad moderna.

rober_tce
01-24-2021, 04:12 PM
Casan perfectamente porque ser judío converso implica, de hecho, haber dejado de contar cómo judío y a la larga era la religión y la cultura el hecho diferencial determinante. Yo parto de que ya en el siglo XV habría bastantes descendientes de conversos en España (decenas de miles, quizás cien mil), muchos más que judíos pero todavía pocos frente a una población de millones.

Pero aún con esos cien mil, el aporte judío sigue siendo muy minoritario en el conjunto de nuestro porcentaje MENA si tenemos en cuenta, como dices, todo lo que recibimos del Mediterráneo y el norte de África desde la edad del hierro hasta la edad moderna.

A fines del siglo XV de hecho había bastantes descendientes de judeoconversos, uno de los ejemplos más famosos era Luis de Santángel, banquero con el cual Isabel la Católica tenía negocios, cuyo padre fue un judío converso, incluso si nos metemos en el tema nobiliario/real, Fernando el Católico descendía por una rama de Yonati Bar Gedaliah (conocida como “la Paloma”), hija de un converso, incluso el primer Duque de Medida Sidonia tenía ascendencia conversa, de hecho los Medina Sidonia protegieron mucho a los conversos en los territorios de su Ducado entre las actuales Cádiz y Huelva.

Pero sí que es cierto que en nuestro pool genético, el aporte judío es minoritario y no está presente en todos los actuales ibéricos. El aporte norteafricano sin duda es mayor, tanto antiguo como medieval, y aún así es denostado por ciertos sectores. El aporte MENA que me sigue pareciendo un misterio es el fenicio, el cual teorizo que debe ser más del que conocemos, como así creo que hemos hablado tú y yo alguna vez.

mokordo
01-24-2021, 10:02 PM
Realmente la comunidad judía Sefaradi en Hispania era pequeña en comparación con el resto de peninsulares, aunque también tenemos documentado que llegaron a América conversos de judío. Hay un movimiento en Latinoamérica que de hecho reivindica las raíces judías, lo que pasa que lo hace a través de los supuestos apellidos judíos, una falacia como un templo, ya que no existen apellidos judíos específicos españoles, a excepción del que se llame Levy o Cohen, o Abulafia en la provincia de Jaén (ya que se ha descubierto que portadores de este apellido en dicho antiguo y Santo Reino de Jaén eran prácticamente todos conversos). Por ello sigo pensando que tu hipótesis y la mía pueden casar perfectamente, no se podría explicar una cosa sin la otra, en mi opinión.

Con respecto a lo italiano, estuve investigando por si iban por ahí los tiros, pero acabé descubriendo que mi ascendencia venía de un linaje judío castellano.

Edito: lo del tema italiano, y que a través de ahí indagué hipotéticas conexiones con conversos italianos, vino porque estuve investigando un apellido oriundo del país transalpino que creía que estaba en mi familia, y resultó que fue una pista falsa por así decirlo, así que me quedé sin ascendencia italiana reciente hahaha aunque si pudiera demostrar que hay romanos en mis venas, como supongo que así será, sería muy feliz. De hecho, creo que el porcentaje que nos sale a casi todos los ibéricos de italiano en 23andMe en v5.2 proviene de dicho legado que nos dejó Roma.

El problema es que a sudamérica no ha parado de llegar gente nunca, así que es difícil saber cuando llegó y con quien el aporte "judío" que presentan sus habitantes actuales.

Aunque sin duda que muchos conversos se irían allá, porque simplemente en localidades pequeñas, que alguien fuera señalado como descendiente de judío, debería ser bastante epsado de soportar.

En América, toda esa presión era más fácilmente eludible, y era más sencillo romper con el pasado y volver a reinventarse, auqnue en teoría, rigieran leyes similares que las de la península.

Shadogowah
01-24-2021, 10:30 PM
En el caso de Sevilla, hay casos específicos de una serie de familias de la aristocracia mercantil judeoconversa que contaban con la simpatía (y negocietes, supongo) de no recuerdo que figura relevante en la corte.

Cuando el susodicho noble cayó en desgracia, salieron por patas para América.

rober_tce
01-24-2021, 11:23 PM
De hecho cuando los tribunales de la Inquisición se pusieron en marcha en Castilla, algunos conversos intentaron cambiar de ciudades, especialmente los oriundos de Sevilla y Córdoba, ya que dichos tribunales fueron implacables. Las crónicas de la época contaban cómo en Sevilla había mañanas que la gente se levantaba para hacer sus labores, y narraban cómo flotaba en el aire el olor a quemado de los procesados en la hoguera.

Sé que esto forma parte del pasado y demás, pero personalmente me resulta difícil leer estas crónicas, ya que me repugna y se me retuerce el alma con estas cosas, y esto no viene de ahora, es un sentimiento que tengo desde casi que era un chiquillo. La Inquisición fue una de las mayores aberraciones de la historia de la humanidad.

Los convertidos antes del siglo XV o a principios de este tuvieron más suerte, ya que se adaptaron a la sociedad castellana con más tiempo. El siglo XVI fue un siglo negro para los conversos, aún así muchos de ellos pudieron sobrevivir y ocultarse, incluso inventar genealogías falsas para huir del Estatuto de Limpieza de Sangre. Ejemplo de ello son los Molina de Córdoba, cuyo estudio lo ha hecho el catedrático Enrique Soria Mesa, en el cual dice que los Molinas que han vivido durante generaciones en la ciudad de Córdoba desde la Edad Moderna, tienen casi con toda seguridad ascendencia conversa.

rober_tce
01-24-2021, 11:29 PM
El problema es que a sudamérica no ha parado de llegar gente nunca, así que es difícil saber cuando llegó y con quien el aporte "judío" que presentan sus habitantes actuales.

Aunque sin duda que muchos conversos se irían allá, porque simplemente en localidades pequeñas, que alguien fuera señalado como descendiente de judío, debería ser bastante epsado de soportar.

En América, toda esa presión era más fácilmente eludible, y era más sencillo romper con el pasado y volver a reinventarse, auqnue en teoría, rigieran leyes similares que las de la península.

Desde luego es complicado por lo que dices, llegaron de forma sucesiva y un poco de estrangis, ocultando además sus linajes conversos, ya que supuestamente no podían emigrar a América personas de sangre no “limpia”. Por ello como bien dices es difícil, y no conozco estudios serios sobre ello, como los que hay sobre los conversos peninsulares.

Marti
10-05-2021, 02:19 PM
Hola, a mi me interesaria poder testear tus calculadoras.
Mi correo para contacto:[email protected]

mokordo
10-05-2021, 04:47 PM
Hola, a mi me interesaria poder testear tus calculadoras.
Mi correo para contacto:[email protected]

Testear este tipo de calculadoras depende de tí mismo, no de mí.

¿Tienes hecho algún test genético comercial? Si es así, acude a la persona o al sitio adecuado para obtener tus coordenadas del G25, con los datos en crudo de ese test más el precio que debas pagar por ellas, y luego puedes usar esas coordenadas con cualquier calculador o modelo existente(mío o de un montón de gente que los hace) ,usando Vahaduo, Nmonte ancestrycalculator o cualquier otra herramienta online.

Marti
10-05-2021, 04:59 PM
Tengo mis coordenadas g25 si, por eso me gustaría saber qué resultados obtengo, sabes si hay alguna calculadora tipo medieval (específicamente la reconquista)?

mokordo
10-19-2021, 10:05 AM
Tengo mis coordenadas g25 si, por eso me gustaría saber qué resultados obtengo, sabes si hay alguna calculadora tipo medieval (específicamente la reconquista)?

Perdona, no leí este mensaje hasta hoy.

Te envié un correo, aunque cualquier cosa la puedes plantear aquí, cualquier otro miembro puede guiarte en todas estas cosas.