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davit
02-02-2021, 07:55 PM
Did any ANE U survive into the present day?

Kale
02-03-2021, 04:50 AM
U4'9 seems like a good candidate. Extant U2 also. It's kind of hard to tell because the split between ANE and paleoEuropeans seems only to shortly post-date the split of the two and Near-Eastern y-hg J folks.

davit
04-24-2021, 01:06 AM
U4'9 seems like a good candidate. Extant U2 also. It's kind of hard to tell because the split between ANE and paleoEuropeans seems only to shortly post-date the split of the two and Near-Eastern y-hg J folks.

Where is U9 found today?

Aleph
04-24-2021, 11:15 PM
U4'9 seems like a good candidate. Extant U2 also. It's kind of hard to tell because the split between ANE and paleoEuropeans seems only to shortly post-date the split of the two and Near-Eastern y-hg J folks.

Agree with U4'9 (more specifically pre-U4 without the U9 branch which would have separated well over 30,000 years ago) , disagree with current U2 (U2e).

tipirneni
04-29-2021, 03:47 AM
Where is U9 found today?

There are some U9 present in the South India and among Makrani and in Ethiopia

drobbah
04-29-2021, 04:27 AM
U9 in the Horn is probably brought via South Asian women or Arab women who had a distant South Asian female ancestor.The indigenous Cushitic/Ethio-Semitic U lineages are mostly U3 & U6

Kapisa
08-12-2021, 04:49 PM
Where is U9 found today?

Yfull assigned U9b1* to my father who is from NW South Asia (Punjab-Pakistan). He shares the same subclade with another individual from Pakistan but the TMRCA is from the Neolithic time period when other subclades of U9b also form. An ancient sample, I believe from IA Xinjiang is under U9b1b and shares TMRCA with a NW South Asian individual from LBA/IA time frame. It was originally assigned a different haplogroup.
https://ngdc.cncb.ac.cn/gwh/Assembly/12674/show
https://www.yfull.com/mtree/U9-a/
U9 possibly belonged to a Paleolithic-Mesolithic population from Arabian Peninsula to possibly SE Iran-south Central Asia and South Asia. Currently its only found among Saudis, Yemenis, Omanis, Pakistanis and a few Ethiopians, Azari, Turkish and South Indians so far. Though I have seen some European samples on FTDNA.
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/mtDNA_U9?iframe=mtresults
But ancient sample from Xinjiang raises other questions. Especially about the larger U4'9 branch and its relation to ANE.
Some relevant pubs:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1199377/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1199377/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15077202/

Combining numbers form Y-Full and FTDNA
46080
46081
not sure if Austrian, Hungarian and English samples are Semitic?
https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/mt-dna-u9/about/background