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confused90
02-07-2021, 09:53 AM
Hello!

I wonder if someone please could shed some light on my genetic ancestry. I have done a MyHeritage test and the results were:
Scandinavia (Norway) 50,4%
England 41,4%
Baltic 8,2%

Most of my relatives are from Norway, on both sides of my family. I have not been able to find close relatives of my mother's father though.
So my question is: I have got considerable DNA from England. But on what side of the family?

I don't believe in a Viking age connection, since most of the people in this area have mostly Scandinavian ancestry.

Thank you very much in advance for your advice!

Elske
02-07-2021, 03:11 PM
Hello!

I'm Dutch (Frisian) and here are my MyHeritage results:
Scandinavian 48%
England 37,6%
North- and West-European 10,2%
Finnish 4,2%

Our Scandinavian and English results are very similar! :)

English people are the descendants of Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Frisians and vikings. There's a lot of overlap, because these peoples were genetically closely related and they still are. I posted a similar question on this board and they gave me this explanation.

msmarjoribanks
02-07-2021, 06:40 PM
A lot of the tests have trouble telling Scandinavian (esp Norwegian) and English ancestry apart. I wouldn't assume you are wrong about your ancestry without more. If you have English cousins on MyH, I'd try to figure out the connection.

lana6765
02-07-2021, 07:32 PM
I am British and MyHeritage gives me Scandinavian. Other tests like 23andme and AncestryDNA donít give me any.

British people are similar to Scandinavians as Scandinavian-like people have invaded and settled the British Isles multiple times, from the Saxons to the Vikings. Even the Normans, though they invaded from France, were very Scandinavian admixed.

In addition, Norway and particularly Iceland have an Irish and Scottish influence due to Vikings taking wives and slaves from Ireland and Scotland.

lana6765
02-07-2021, 08:22 PM
Have you gotten your Global25 coordinates?
https://bga101.blogspot.com/2017/10/genetic-ancestry-online-store-to-be.html

You can ask the friendly people on here to model you.

The Norway average is my closest, which confused me at first :) I do not have a recent Scandinavian ancestor, though I can't guarantee past 5 generations.

Distance to: Lana_scaled
0.01782460 Norwegian
0.01835799 Scottish
0.01871785 Irish
0.01930533 Orcadian
0.01961555 Dutch
0.02003706 English

Bygdedweller
02-07-2021, 09:33 PM
Interesting result, but I don't think you should assume any legitimate connection to the British isles within the last 300 years. There is very real overlap between various sub-populations of Norway and the British isles. Your result is still within the spectrum of regional variation you'd find in Norway, especially in the coastal areas. The connection is a lot more ancient than the Viking age, with well-attested maritime trade-routes between Scandinavia and the British isles existing already in the Nordic Bronze age. Of course, this is not something most commercial test-providers are aware of or take into account.

Can I ask where approximately in Norway your ancestry is from? The "English" input would be typical of someone from Western Norway, but the Baltic suggests somewhere closer to Sweden.

Elske
02-07-2021, 10:21 PM
Have you gotten your Global25 coordinates?
https://bga101.blogspot.com/2017/10/genetic-ancestry-online-store-to-be.html

You can ask the friendly people on here to model you.

The Norway average is my closest, which confused me at first :) I do not have a recent Scandinavian ancestor, though I can't guarantee past 5 generations.

Distance to: Lana_scaled
0.01782460 Norwegian
0.01835799 Scottish
0.01871785 Irish
0.01930533 Orcadian
0.01961555 Dutch
0.02003706 English

Hey Lana,

These are my G25 results:
Distance to: Elske_scaled
0.02601913 Norwegian
0.02857167 Irish
0.02952400 Dutch
0.02978586 Danish
0.03012991 Shetlandic
0.03045890 Scottish
0.03135348 Icelandic
0.03139393 English
0.03218004 Welsh
0.03273522 Orcadian
0.03432729 Swedish
0.03468523 English_Cornwall

My distances are a bit higher than yours. I've used the raw data from MyHeritage for the G25 coordinates. Would it make a difference if I used the raw data from a different company or would the outcome be exactly the same? I want to do the 23andme test as well...that's the reason why I'm asking this question. I'm such a newbie on this subject haha! :D

lana6765
02-07-2021, 10:50 PM
Hey Lana,

These are my G25 results:
Distance to: Elske_scaled
0.02601913 Norwegian
0.02857167 Irish
0.02952400 Dutch
0.02978586 Danish
0.03012991 Shetlandic
0.03045890 Scottish
0.03135348 Icelandic
0.03139393 English
0.03218004 Welsh
0.03273522 Orcadian
0.03432729 Swedish
0.03468523 English_Cornwall

My distances are a bit higher than yours. I've used the raw data from MyHeritage for the G25 coordinates. Would it make a difference if I used the raw data from a different company or would the outcome be exactly the same? I want to do the 23andme test as well...that's the reason why I'm asking this question. I'm such a newbie on this subject haha! :D

I have two sets of coordinates: one AncestryDNA and the other 23andme v5. Using a different kit made a slight difference to my results and I found that distances were a little bigger with the 23andme kit. But there wasn’t a massive difference and both results were clearly from the same person.

I’ve heard that 23andme v5 data isn’t the best to upload, but I don’t know how true this is as I can’t find a source for that information.

Here are my distances for the 23andme kit:

Distance to: 23andme_scaled
0.02166400 Icelandic
0.02185645 Scottish
0.02194350 Norwegian
0.02196493 Irish
0.02213178 Danish
0.02226499 Orcadian
0.02268846 Dutch
0.02349366 English

Elske
02-07-2021, 11:02 PM
I have two sets of coordinates: one AncestryDNA and the other 23andme v5. Using a different kit made a slight difference to my results and I found that distances were a little bigger with the 23andme kit. But there wasn’t a massive difference and both results were clearly from the same person.

I’ve heard that 23andme v5 data isn’t the best to upload, but I don’t know how true this is as I can’t find a source for that information.

Here are my distances for the 23andme kit:

Distance to: 23andme_scaled
0.02166400 Icelandic
0.02185645 Scottish
0.02194350 Norwegian
0.02196493 Irish
0.02213178 Danish
0.02226499 Orcadian
0.02268846 Dutch
0.02349366 English

Thanks for your response. Maybe I'll try the Ancestry test as well. Then I can check which one gives me smaller distances haha! :P

confused90
02-08-2021, 08:54 AM
Thank you so much, everyone.

My Scandinavian ancestry mainly comes from Hallingdal, Valdres with some connection to Vestfold and Dalsland (Sweden).

I might decide to try another test as well.
Espen

jadegreg
02-14-2021, 10:40 AM
I have two sets of coordinates: one AncestryDNA and the other 23andme v5. Using a different kit made a slight difference to my results and I found that distances were a little bigger with the 23andme kit. But there wasnít a massive difference and both results were clearly from the same person.

Iíve heard that 23andme v5 data isnít the best to upload, but I donít know how true this is as I canít find a source for that information.

Here are my distances for the 23andme kit:

Distance to: 23andme_scaled
0.02166400 Icelandic
0.02185645 Scottish
0.02194350 Norwegian
0.02196493 Irish
0.02213178 Danish
0.02226499 Orcadian
0.02268846 Dutch
0.02349366 English

Hi Guys, why the current iterations of 23&me, MyHeritage and FTDNA (GSA microarray) are not ideal for the G25 is that they offer less SNPs for David's PCA/analysis than prior versiuons (Omniexpress microarray) offered. That is the basic issue...


Thank you so much, everyone.

My Scandinavian ancestry mainly comes from Hallingdal, Valdres with some connection to Vestfold and Dalsland (Sweden).

I might decide to try another test as well.
Espen

If you do decide to get another, I would recomend getting the Ancestry kit. This will offer the biggest bang for your buck both in terms of DNA and genealogical research for us European folk.

And welcome to the forum, and the exclusive 'am I (genetically) Norwegian or British' group. There's certainly a few of us on here........

Lana, did you get your Celtic vs. Germanic coo-ordinates yet? It doesn't neccessarily make things clearer, but in case my pattern of results was different with respect to the North Sea continuum

Elske
02-22-2021, 06:53 PM
Hi Guys, why the current iterations of 23&me, MyHeritage and FTDNA (GSA microarray) are not ideal for the G25 is that they offer less SNPs for David's PCA/analysis than prior versiuons (Omniexpress microarray) offered. That is the basic issue...



If you do decide to get another, I would recomend getting the Ancestry kit. This will offer the biggest bang for your buck both in terms of DNA and genealogical research for us European folk.

And welcome to the forum, and the exclusive 'am I (genetically) Norwegian or British' group. There's certainly a few of us on here........

Lana, did you get your Celtic vs. Germanic coo-ordinates yet? It doesn't neccessarily make things clearer, but in case my pattern of results was different with respect to the North Sea continuum

Thanks for your advice. I ordered the Ancestry AND the 23andme test! :D

I did the Ancestry test today and I dropped it off at the post office. My 23andme order was shipped on february the 19th, so I'll receive the kit this week.

jadegreg
02-22-2021, 07:09 PM
Thanks for your advice. I ordered the Ancestry AND the 23andme test! :D

I did the Ancestry test today and I dropped it off at the post office. My 23andme order was shipped on february the 19th, so I'll receive the kit this week.

Great! Look forward to seeing your results. If you were planning on getting your G25, I'd wait until you get both of these results in, and send in a combined kit (using DNA kit studio to combine, after checking for any incosistencies between kits). That way you should get the best coverage for G25, short of buying a WGS, or asking Marty Mcfly to head 'back' and order the v3 kit .....

Elske
02-22-2021, 07:43 PM
Great! Look forward to seeing your results. If you were planning on getting your G25, I'd wait until you get both of these results in, and send in a combined kit (using DNA kit studio to combine, after checking for any incosistencies between kits). That way you should get the best coverage for G25, short of buying a WGS, or asking Marty Mcfly to head 'back' and order the v3 kit .....

Maybe I can borrow the DeLorean... :biggrin1:

I want to use the Ancestry results for G25, but I can try to make a combined kit and use that kit as well. Then I can compare the results.

Bygdedweller
02-22-2021, 08:50 PM
Thank you so much, everyone.

My Scandinavian ancestry mainly comes from Hallingdal, Valdres with some connection to Vestfold and Dalsland (Sweden).

I might decide to try another test as well.
Espen
Thanks for sharing. With that information at hand, I agree that the results are somewhat counter-intuitive. If you have genetic groups on MyHeritage that connect you to the British Isles or Western Europe, that might be an indication that it's a real connection obviously. But getting a high English percentage with MyHeritage on their ethnicity estimate can be codeword for lots of things, including Danish, Dutch, German or even just West Norwegian ancestry. If you want to pursue it further, I think doing a test with AncestryDNA or 23andme would be one way to go about it, as they have more precise regional breakdowns and are able to more accurately detect recent ancestry.

confused90
02-23-2021, 09:11 AM
Hello everybody,

Just wanted to let you know, I've got some new information.

I happen to have two birth certificates, one from Tax Department in Norway, showing my Norwegian parents.
The other from British Embassy Oslo, showing my Norwegian mother, and an English father from London.

On Myheritage, I am able to find mainly Norwegian relatives (close), on both sides.

Here are the details from a distant relation in the UK:
Estimated relationships
3rd - 5th cousin?
DNA Match quality?
Shared DNA 0.4% (30.9‎ cM)
Shared segments 1
Largest segment 30.9‎ cM

peloponnesian
02-23-2021, 10:13 AM
Great! Look forward to seeing your results. If you were planning on getting your G25, I'd wait until you get both of these results in, and send in a combined kit (using DNA kit studio to combine, after checking for any incosistencies between kits). That way you should get the best coverage for G25, short of buying a WGS, or asking Marty Mcfly to head 'back' and order the v3 kit .....

Hello! I tried the "RAW analyzer" tool in DNA kit studio to compare my 23andMe and MyHeritage raw files and I got this result:

https://i.imgur.com/k7vIP0k.png

Does this mean that there is inconsistency between the 2 kits in 6819 SNPs? Does the combine tool pick one of the 2 results at random in these locations?

(sorry for the off-topic!)

jadegreg
02-23-2021, 10:23 AM
Yep, there's incosistency between the two kits, but in your case I think the main issue is in SNP calls where there are half equal genotypes at 0.069%, so it's negligible (352 no calls). If you were being a purist, you would delete those SNP calls, and convert to no calls. However, I'd probably not bother as it's not likely to make much of a difference......If you wanted to check you can whack the txt files into an Excel document, and compare and contrast. Beyond Geneaology (website), has a good run down on how to go about this.........but, frankly, life's too short, given the 'exactness' of the scientific methods we currently have at our disposal. Unless there's some hideous differences between two kits (like there was in my WGS and 23&me kits (~4%), I really wouldn't bother.

EDIT:- Sorry didn't see your postscript at the bottom there. I beleive the program overlays SNP calls, so if you selected 23&me first in your 'combine' list, then these would be the 'shared' SNPs contained in the combined file, with the additional MH SNPs, not in 23&me file, spliced in

lana6765
02-23-2021, 06:54 PM
Yep, there's incosistency between the two kits, but in your case I think the main issue is in SNP calls where there are half equal genotypes at 0.069%, so it's negligible (352 no calls). If you were being a purist, you would delete those SNP calls, and convert to no calls. However, I'd probably not bother as it's not likely to make much of a difference......If you wanted to check you can whack the txt files into an Excel document, and compare and contrast. Beyond Geneaology (website), has a good run down on how to go about this.........but, frankly, life's too short, given the 'exactness' of the scientific methods we currently have at our disposal. Unless there's some hideous differences between two kits (like there was in my WGS and 23&me kits (~4%), I really wouldn't bother.

EDIT:- Sorry didn't see your postscript at the bottom there. I beleive the program overlays SNP calls, so if you selected 23&me first in your 'combine' list, then these would be the 'shared' SNPs contained in the combined file, with the additional MH SNPs, not in 23&me file, spliced in

Tbh I tried getting both sets of coordinates in case there was some extreme difference between the two e.g I’d get less Basque or something. Instead the only real difference is that I don’t get 0.4% Papuan or something :D

jadegreg
02-23-2021, 11:51 PM
Tbh I tried getting both sets of coordinates in case there was some extreme difference between the two e.g I’d get less Basque or something. Instead the only real difference is that I don’t get 0.4% Papuan or something :D

Sorry, not quite sure I follow. Do you mean separate G25 co-ordinates for each of your kits?

lana6765
02-24-2021, 07:37 AM
Sorry, not quite sure I follow. Do you mean separate G25 co-ordinates for each of your kits?

Yes. I was curious to see if there would be much difference.

I didn’t realise DNA kit studio was a thing.

jadegreg
02-24-2021, 09:30 AM
Yes. I was curious to see if there would be much difference.

I didn’t realise DNA kit studio was a thing.

As was I! In my case the clues were there with the Eurogenes calculators, with the 23&me kit having a far stronger 'Western' shift (West Med, Iberian), with a rather poor showing on the North Sea front. My sister appeared to show somewhat the opposite pattern.

confused90
03-01-2021, 10:22 AM
Hello,

I have uploaded my raw data to DNA.Land a free website.
The results were,
87% North West European
12% Finnish
1,2% North Slavic

I do match Argyle & Bute in Scotland, British in England, Icelandic, Norwegian and Orcadian.
My Mother does have some distant Scottish ancestry ,from 1600 Ca.

Sincerely,
Espen