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Lupriac
02-24-2021, 07:48 PM
The title says it all. Since there is a thread for Lebanon, I figured there should also be one for the others: Syrians, Palestinians and Jordanians, since there seems to be less info about them. This way, we can get a better picture of the difference between Northern and Southern Levantines and also understand specifically how much the foreign cultures that came to dominate the region contributed to the paternal genepool of the inhabitants of the region.
Anyways, for the sources I used two main studies: Zalloua et al. 2008b and El-Sibai et al. 2009. I also listed the haplogroups alphabetically.

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(I'll be adding breakdown by subclades later)

Edit: Link didn't work so I added it as an attachment.

Johnny ola
02-24-2021, 08:49 PM
Their R1a lineages are indo-aryan? Do we have any idea witch branch they belong to??

Helves
02-25-2021, 03:58 PM
Great initiative. Waiting for the subclades. A bit surprised to see Syrians with the most J1.

Lupriac
03-16-2021, 04:06 PM
Unfortunately the subclade breakdown will take a while - to next week or after. I apologize for the delay.

Their R1a lineages are indo-aryan? Do we have any idea witch branch they belong to??

R1a lineages are mixed with R-Z93 and R-Z282 both occurring. However, R-Z282 shows up more than R-Z93 among Syrians, interesting case.


Great initiative. Waiting for the subclades. A bit surprised to see Syrians with the most J1.
Thank you.

Johnny ola
03-16-2021, 04:28 PM
Unfortunately the subclade breakdown will take a while - to next week or after. I apologize for the delay.


R1a lineages are mixed with R-Z93 and R-Z282 both occurring. However, R-Z282 shows up more than R-Z93 among Syrians, interesting case.


Thank you.

No problem.Do you have any idea what clades their 'G' are?

Lupriac
03-16-2021, 04:48 PM
No problem.Do you have any idea what clades their 'G' are?

I'm not done of the G-M201 yet but so far I've seen G-M406.

SUPREEEEEME
03-16-2021, 05:33 PM
Excited to see the J2 breakdown

Lupriac
03-30-2021, 10:34 PM
So, I've finished the E, R1a, A and B individuals. With few STR markers given, fitting on deep/terminal branches was going to be hard except with distinct values. For "E" (and also R1a) So you will see plain labels frequently, "E1b1b", or "E1b1b M78", "E1b1b V22". The reason is that, for many of the samples, the predictor gave endless predictions for many branches with miniscule numbers, I believe it's attributable to the few STR markers filled and also to the fact the region is relatively undertested, so there's probably a significant number of unknown branches and subclades that still haven't been found and studied. Assume certain/more likely unless told otherwise. But for now I'll be posting the A, B and E first.

Now, with the regards to the format I'm following, every "->" is an individual, just stating this in case. In my opinion it's better than just placing the number, but if you prefer the other way I have no problem. There's a few samples that I didn't use as they had very few STR's filled (for some reason), some didn't even have any, so just keep that in mind. For the Syrian samples they also mentioned provinces but I only remembered it after I had finished the E :P That would have made it more interesting, but I'll make sure mention the provinces in other haplogroups.

A:

Syrians:

-> A1b1b2b M13 (Al-Raqqa)
-> A1b1b2b M13 (Damascus)
-> A1b1b2b M13 (Deir El Zour)


Jordanians:

-> A1b1b2b M13
-> A (unsupported)

B:

Jordanians:
-> B2a1 M218

E1b1a:

Jordanians:

-> E1b1a V38>> M4231
-> E1b1a V38>> M4231

Syrians:

-> E1b1a V38>> L485
-> E1b1a V38>> L485
-> E1b1a V38>> L485

-> E1b1a V38>> M4231


Palestinians:

E1b1a V38>> M4231


E1b1b:
Jordanians:

E-M78:

-> E1b1b V12>V32
-> E1b1b V12>V32
-> E1b1b V12>V32
-> E1b1b V12>V32
-> E1b1b V12>CTS693
-> E1b1b V12>CTS693
-> E1b1b V22>> PH2818> BY7402
-> E1b1b V22>> PH2818> BY7402
-> E1b1b V22>> PH2818
-> E1b1b V22>> PH2818
-> E1b1b V22>> PH2818> BY7402
-> E1b1b V22>> PH2818
-> E1b1b V22>> PH2818> BY1984
-> E1b1b V22
-> E1b1b V22
-> E1b1b V22

-> E1b1b V13>>Z5018> A2192
-> E1b1b V13> BY6550
-> E1b1b V13
-> E1b1b V13

-> E1b1b L67
-> E1b1b L67

-> E1b1b M78
-> E1b1b M78
-> E1b1b M78
-> E1b1b M78
-> E1b1b M78
-> E1b1b M78
-> E1b1b M78


E-L19:

-> E1b1b V257>M81>> PF2546> MZ99
-> E1b1b V257>M81>> PF2546> MZ99
-> E1b1b V257>M81>> PF2546
-> E1b1b V257>M81
-> E1b1b V257>M81


E-Z830:

-> E1b1b V1515> PH1818
-> E1b1b V1515> V1700
-> E1b1b V1515> V1700

-> E1b1b M123>M34> Z841>> Y4971>Y6923
-> E1b1b M123>M34> Z841

-> E1b1b M123>M34> M84>> PF6751> PF6748
-> E1b1b M123>M34> M84>> PF6751> PF6748
-> E1b1b M123>M34> M84
-> E1b1b M123> PF4428
-> E1b1b M123> PF4428


Unknown/Unsupported branch:

-> E1b1b
-> E1b1b
-> E1b1b
-> E1b1b
-> E1b1b
-> E1b1b
-> E1b1b
-> E1b1b
-> E1b1b
-> E1b1b
-> E1b1b
-> E1b1b


Palestinians:

E-M78:

-> E1b1b V12> BY8673 (likely CTS693 instead)
-> E1b1b V12> BY8673 (likely CTS693 instead)
-> E1b1b V12>BY8200
-> E1b1b V12>V32
-> E1b1b V12

-> E1b1b V22>> PH2818> PH2121
-> E1b1b V22>> PH2818> BY1984 (medium probability)
-> E1b1b V22>> PH2818
-> E1b1b V22>> BY7446
-> E1b1b V22
-> E1b1b V22
-> E1b1b V22
-> E1b1b V22
-> E1b1b V22
-> E1b1b V22

-> E1b1b V13>>Z5017>> BY4610
-> E1b1b V13
-> E1b1b V13
-> E1b1b V13
-> E1b1b V13
-> E1b1b V13
-> E1b1b V13
-> E1b1b V13

-> E1b1b L618>BY6630
-> E1b1b L618
-> E1b1b L618 (uncertain if V13+)

-> E1b1b L67

-> E1b1b M78
-> E1b1b M78
-> E1b1b M78
-> E1b1b Z1919 (uncertain, V22 or V13)
-> E1b1b Z1919 (uncertain, V22 or V13)
-> E1b1b Z1919 (uncertain, V22 or V13)
-> E1b1b Z1919 (uncertain, V22 or V13)
-> E1b1b Z1919 (uncertain, V22 or V13)
-> E1b1b Z1919 (uncertain, V22 or V13)
-> E1b1b Z1919 (uncertain, V22 or V13)


E-Z830:

-> E1b1b M123>M34> Z841>> Z21466
-> E1b1b M123>M34> Z841>> Z21466
-> E1b1b M123>M34> Z841>> Z21466
-> E1b1b M123>M34> Z841>> BY45411
-> E1b1b M123>M34> Z841>> BY45411
-> E1b1b M123>M34> Z841>> Y2947
-> E1b1b M123>M34> Z841>> Z21466
-> E1b1b M123>M34> Z841>> Y2947 (medium probability)

-> E1b1b M123>M34> M84>> FT81636
-> E1b1b M123>M34> M84>> PF6751> Y6200
-> E1b1b M123>M34> M84>> PF6751> Y6200
-> E1b1b M123>M34> M84>> PF6751> Y6200 (medium probability)
-> E1b1b M123>M34> M84>> PF6751> Y6200 (medium probability)
-> E1b1b M123>M34> M84
-> E1b1b M123>M34> M84
-> E1b1b M123>M34> M84
-> E1b1b M123>M34> M84
-> E1b1b M123>M34> M84
-> E1b1b M123>M34> M84
-> E1b1b M123>M34> M84
-> E1b1b M123>M34> M84

-> E1b1b M123* (xM34)
-> E1b1b M123* (xM34)

-> E1b1b M123
-> E1b1b M123
-> E1b1b M123
-> E1b1b M123


Syrians:

E-M78:

-> E1b1b V12>CTS693
-> E1b1b V12>CTS693
-> E1b1b V12>CTS693
-> E1b1b V12>V32

-> E1b1b V22
-> E1b1b V22
-> E1b1b V22
-> E1b1b V22
-> E1b1b V22
-> E1b1b V22
-> E1b1b V22

-> E1b1b V13
-> E1b1b V13 >> Z16663
-> E1b1b V13
-> E1b1b V13

-> E1b1b L67

-> E1b1b M78
-> E1b1b M78
-> E1b1b M78


E-L19:

-> E1b1b V257>M81>> PF2546> MZ99
-> E1b1b V257>M81
-> E1b1b V257>M81


E-Z830:

-> E1b1b M123>M34> M84>> PF6751> PF6748
-> E1b1b M123>M34> M84>> PF6751> PF6748
-> E1b1b M123>M34> M84>> PF6751> PF6748
-> E1b1b M123>M34> M84>> PF6751> PF6748
-> E1b1b M123>M34> M84 (E-Y5435?)
-> E1b1b M123>M34> M84

-> E1b1b M123>M34> Z841>> Y4971>Y6923
-> E1b1b M123>M34> Z841>> Y4971>Y6923

-> E1b1b M123
-> E1b1b M123

-> E1b1b Z830 (uncertain, M123+ or not)
-> E1b1b Z830

Unknown/unsupported branch:

-> An ambiguous E1b1b branch with DYS388=17
-> E1b1b
-> E1b1b
-> E1b1b

leorcooper19
03-30-2021, 10:53 PM
Lupriac, could you share how many STRs were used for the Syrian Y6923 individuals? Thanks!

drobbah
03-30-2021, 10:55 PM
Is this from ftdna? I've seen 4 Jordanian E-V32 (one of whom is E-BY7964*), one Palestinian and a Sunni Lebanese from Tripoli

Edit: There's a second E-V32 Palestinian (قبيلة اللهيب)

Lupriac
03-31-2021, 07:58 PM
Was only able to find this guy's STR's ... Syrian individual #1 from Homs in FamilyTreeDNA format:
14,25,13,10,16-19,11,12,12,13,11,30,16,0-0,0,0,0,14
I'll send the second's in case I find them.

The sources are actually Zalloua et al. 2008b and El-Sibai et al. 2009.

hartaisarlag
03-31-2021, 08:24 PM
Was only able to find this guy's STR's ... Syrian individual #1 from Homs in FamilyTreeDNA format:
14,25,13,10,16-19,11,12,12,13,11,30,16,0-0,0,0,0,14
I'll send the second's in case I find them.

The sources are actually Zalloua et al. 2008b and El-Sibai et al. 2009.

Thank you! Ditto for the Jordanian you predict as E-Y6923, please? :)

Jatt1
03-31-2021, 08:39 PM
So, I've finished the E, R1a, A and B individuals. With few STR markers given, fitting on deep/terminal branches was going to be hard except with distinct values. For "E" (and also R1a) So you will see plain labels frequently, "E1b1b", or "E1b1b M78", "E1b1b V22". The reason is that, for many of the samples, the predictor gave endless predictions for many branches with miniscule numbers, I believe it's attributable to the few STR markers filled and also to the fact the region is relatively undertested, so there's probably a significant number of unknown branches and subclades that still haven't been found and studied. Assume certain/more likely unless told otherwise. But for now I'll be posting the A, B and E first.

Now, with the regards to the format I'm following, every "->" is an individual, just stating this in case. In my opinion it's better than just placing the number, but if you prefer the other way I have no problem. There's a few samples that I didn't use as they had very few STR's filled (for some reason), some didn't even have any, so just keep that in mind. For the Syrian samples they also mentioned provinces but I only remembered it after I had finished the E :P That would have made it more interesting, but I'll make sure mention the provinces in other haplogroups.

A:

Syrians:

-> A1b1b2b M13 (Al-Raqqa)
-> A1b1b2b M13 (Damascus)
-> A1b1b2b M13 (Deir El Zour)


Jordanians:

-> A1b1b2b M13
-> A (unsupported)

B:

Jordanians:
-> B2a1 M218

E1b1a:

Jordanians:

-> E1b1a V38>> M4231
-> E1b1a V38>> M4231

Syrians:

-> E1b1a V38>> L485
-> E1b1a V38>> L485
-> E1b1a V38>> L485

-> E1b1a V38>> M4231


Palestinians:

E1b1a V38>> M4231


E1b1b:
Jordanians:

E-M78:

-> E1b1b V12>V32
-> E1b1b V12>V32
-> E1b1b V12>V32
-> E1b1b V12>V32
-> E1b1b V12>CTS693
-> E1b1b V12>CTS693
-> E1b1b V22>> PH2818> BY7402
-> E1b1b V22>> PH2818> BY7402
-> E1b1b V22>> PH2818
-> E1b1b V22>> PH2818
-> E1b1b V22>> PH2818> BY7402
-> E1b1b V22>> PH2818
-> E1b1b V22>> PH2818> BY1984
-> E1b1b V22
-> E1b1b V22
-> E1b1b V22

-> E1b1b V13>>Z5018> A2192
-> E1b1b V13> BY6550
-> E1b1b V13
-> E1b1b V13

-> E1b1b L67
-> E1b1b L67

-> E1b1b M78
-> E1b1b M78
-> E1b1b M78
-> E1b1b M78
-> E1b1b M78
-> E1b1b M78
-> E1b1b M78


E-L19:

-> E1b1b V257>M81>> PF2546> MZ99
-> E1b1b V257>M81>> PF2546> MZ99
-> E1b1b V257>M81>> PF2546
-> E1b1b V257>M81
-> E1b1b V257>M81


E-Z830:

-> E1b1b V1515> PH1818
-> E1b1b V1515> V1700
-> E1b1b V1515> V1700

-> E1b1b M123>M34> Z841>> Y4971>Y6923
-> E1b1b M123>M34> Z841

-> E1b1b M123>M34> M84>> PF6751> PF6748
-> E1b1b M123>M34> M84>> PF6751> PF6748
-> E1b1b M123>M34> M84
-> E1b1b M123> PF4428
-> E1b1b M123> PF4428


Unknown/Unsupported branch:

-> E1b1b
-> E1b1b
-> E1b1b
-> E1b1b
-> E1b1b
-> E1b1b
-> E1b1b
-> E1b1b
-> E1b1b
-> E1b1b
-> E1b1b
-> E1b1b


Palestinians:

E-M78:

-> E1b1b V12> BY8673 (likely CTS693 instead)
-> E1b1b V12> BY8673 (likely CTS693 instead)
-> E1b1b V12>BY8200
-> E1b1b V12>V32
-> E1b1b V12

-> E1b1b V22>> PH2818> PH2121
-> E1b1b V22>> PH2818> BY1984 (medium probability)
-> E1b1b V22>> PH2818
-> E1b1b V22>> BY7446
-> E1b1b V22
-> E1b1b V22
-> E1b1b V22
-> E1b1b V22
-> E1b1b V22
-> E1b1b V22

-> E1b1b V13>>Z5017>> BY4610
-> E1b1b V13
-> E1b1b V13
-> E1b1b V13
-> E1b1b V13
-> E1b1b V13
-> E1b1b V13
-> E1b1b V13

-> E1b1b L618>BY6630
-> E1b1b L618
-> E1b1b L618 (uncertain if V13+)

-> E1b1b L67

-> E1b1b M78
-> E1b1b M78
-> E1b1b M78
-> E1b1b Z1919 (uncertain, V22 or V13)
-> E1b1b Z1919 (uncertain, V22 or V13)
-> E1b1b Z1919 (uncertain, V22 or V13)
-> E1b1b Z1919 (uncertain, V22 or V13)
-> E1b1b Z1919 (uncertain, V22 or V13)
-> E1b1b Z1919 (uncertain, V22 or V13)
-> E1b1b Z1919 (uncertain, V22 or V13)


E-Z830:

-> E1b1b M123>M34> Z841>> Z21466
-> E1b1b M123>M34> Z841>> Z21466
-> E1b1b M123>M34> Z841>> Z21466
-> E1b1b M123>M34> Z841>> BY45411
-> E1b1b M123>M34> Z841>> BY45411
-> E1b1b M123>M34> Z841>> Y2947
-> E1b1b M123>M34> Z841>> Z21466
-> E1b1b M123>M34> Z841>> Y2947 (medium probability)

-> E1b1b M123>M34> M84>> FT81636
-> E1b1b M123>M34> M84>> PF6751> Y6200
-> E1b1b M123>M34> M84>> PF6751> Y6200
-> E1b1b M123>M34> M84>> PF6751> Y6200 (medium probability)
-> E1b1b M123>M34> M84>> PF6751> Y6200 (medium probability)
-> E1b1b M123>M34> M84
-> E1b1b M123>M34> M84
-> E1b1b M123>M34> M84
-> E1b1b M123>M34> M84
-> E1b1b M123>M34> M84
-> E1b1b M123>M34> M84
-> E1b1b M123>M34> M84
-> E1b1b M123>M34> M84

-> E1b1b M123* (xM34)
-> E1b1b M123* (xM34)

-> E1b1b M123
-> E1b1b M123
-> E1b1b M123
-> E1b1b M123


Syrians:

E-M78:

-> E1b1b V12>CTS693
-> E1b1b V12>CTS693
-> E1b1b V12>CTS693
-> E1b1b V12>V32

-> E1b1b V22
-> E1b1b V22
-> E1b1b V22
-> E1b1b V22
-> E1b1b V22
-> E1b1b V22
-> E1b1b V22

-> E1b1b V13
-> E1b1b V13 >> Z16663
-> E1b1b V13
-> E1b1b V13

-> E1b1b L67

-> E1b1b M78
-> E1b1b M78
-> E1b1b M78


E-L19:

-> E1b1b V257>M81>> PF2546> MZ99
-> E1b1b V257>M81
-> E1b1b V257>M81


E-Z830:

-> E1b1b M123>M34> M84>> PF6751> PF6748
-> E1b1b M123>M34> M84>> PF6751> PF6748
-> E1b1b M123>M34> M84>> PF6751> PF6748
-> E1b1b M123>M34> M84>> PF6751> PF6748
-> E1b1b M123>M34> M84 (E-Y5435?)
-> E1b1b M123>M34> M84

-> E1b1b M123>M34> Z841>> Y4971>Y6923
-> E1b1b M123>M34> Z841>> Y4971>Y6923

-> E1b1b M123
-> E1b1b M123

-> E1b1b Z830 (uncertain, M123+ or not)
-> E1b1b Z830

Unknown/unsupported branch:

-> An ambiguous E1b1b branch with DYS388=17
-> E1b1b
-> E1b1b
-> E1b1b

Can you please do the same for J1?

drobbah
04-13-2021, 03:39 PM
Edit: There's a second E-V32 Palestinian (قبيلة اللهيب)
It seems this clan which lives in Iraq,Syria & Palestine mostly carry E-V32.

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