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tbartold
03-20-2014, 03:45 AM
Any other H10 around?

I'm H10, and wonder if I'll ever see a subclade.

My 'private' mutations are:

C150T T155C 309.1C 315.1C 522.1A 522.2C T16093C A16265t

It sees like a lot. Am I that far from everyone else that's been tested? Or are all of these 'unreliable'? 2 mutations at 522 seem reasonably unstable anyway.

Anyone have any idea how long ago H10 originated?

GailT
03-20-2014, 03:56 AM
Thom - I'm the volunteer administrator for the H10 project. Did you get my email about your results? You can ignore 309.1C 315.1C 522.1A 522.2C as these are common mutations shared by many people. T16093C is also extremely common in H10. So C150T T155C A16265t are the ones that make your results unique. H10 is estimated to be about 9000 years old.

Also, my Dad's mtDNA is H10e1.

tbartold
03-30-2014, 08:20 PM
Gail - Thank you for the information. Yes, I got your email, I didn't connect you to it before. Nice to know I'm close to your dad. I was hoping there would be others posting about H10 on the forum, but maybe it's just the two of us. Is he also the R1b-L2 sample you talk about?

Looking over the H10 group, it looks like C150T also occurs in H10e (and about a dozen other H branches), and looking at the mt tree it seems like C150T is more common than T16093C. In fact, it looks like they both occur on many other branches also (L, M, G, etc).

Do many of the mtDNA mutations recur like this? All over the place?

I found A16265t in L3e3 who all have C150T from L3e, and a J individual who also has both, what's the odds of that? Maybe C150T is required before A16265t? I'm hoping others will test positive for those two in H10 and get us on a branch (it seems unfair that those mutations define branches in other hgs).

I didn't see T155C anywhere else, so I suppose that's what really sets me apart.

BTW: FTDNA lists two 'matches' for me with GD of 3. I don't see either of those names in the H10 Project. But how distant is a GD of 3 in mtDNA? Thousands of years anyway?

GailT
03-30-2014, 10:18 PM
Gail - Thank you for the information. Yes, I got your email, I didn't connect you to it before. Nice to know I'm close to your dad. I was hoping there would be others posting about H10 on the forum, but maybe it's just the two of us. Is he also the R1b-L2 sample you talk about?

BTW: FTDNA lists two 'matches' for me with GD of 3. I don't see either of those names in the H10 Project. But how distant is a GD of 3 in mtDNA? Thousands of years anyway?

Yes - my dad is the R1b-L2 "Johannes Crauss" kit from Ronshausen, Hesse, Germany, so you are both y and mtDNA cousins with him. :)

Your two 3-step mtDNA matches are both plain H10 with no additional mutations, so your common maternal ancestor with them could be as much as 9000 years ago, the estimated age of H10. 150 is extremely common, while 16265T and 155 are less common, but it's really the combination of the 3 mutations that make your results most unique. Hopefully you will get some exact, 0-step matches.

barbccfl
12-08-2014, 02:07 AM
I just got my full sequence back from FTDNA a few days ago, I'm H10e1. I've been searching the internet for information and came across this post. I'm interested in exchanging information that would help me complete my maternal lineage.

GailT
12-08-2014, 04:10 AM
I just got my full sequence back from FTDNA a few days ago, I'm H10e1. I've been searching the internet for information and came across this post. I'm interested in exchanging information that would help me complete my maternal lineage.

I sent you an email with more infomration about your results. H10e1 is estimated to be about 3500 years old and is mostly found in Germany, England, France and Ireland. There is an ancient H10 sample dated to 6009 years ago that was found at a site in Germany, so we know that some H10 were in Europe before that date.

RAZ
08-10-2015, 07:54 PM
I received my results today and similar to other posters, I have a result of H10e1. What would this indicate?

GailT
08-10-2015, 08:31 PM
If you tested at FTDNA, joined the H10 project, and shared your coding region results, I will take a look at your results and see if I can place you in a subclade of H10e1.

Gail

RAZ
08-11-2015, 12:53 AM
If you tested at FTDNA, joined the H10 project, and shared your coding region results, I will take a look at your results and see if I can place you in a subclade of H10e1.

Gail

I did use FTDNA, haven't joined H10, but will do. Thanks.

Boudicca
08-18-2015, 07:33 AM
My Dad is H10. His maternal line seems to come from England. He tested with 23andme and I doubt he will want to do the FTDNA test so I was wondering if the mutations appear in the 23andme raw data which might narrow his group down a little, even though 23andme only give H10? Also where is it mostly found?

Wiborg
11-23-2015, 08:48 PM
Hello!
My tested mtDNA (full sequence) at FTDNA told me that it is H10e. I´m pretty new in all that genetic stuff. What i have to do next?

GailT
11-23-2015, 09:51 PM
Hello!
My tested mtDNA (full sequence) at FTDNA told me that it is H10e. I´m pretty new in all that genetic stuff. What i have to do next?

Join the FTDNA H10 haplogroup project and share your coding region with the volunteer project administrator (that's me) and I'll compare your results with other H10e samples in the project and in Genbank.

Gail

Wiborg
11-24-2015, 12:29 PM
I joined the project. How can i share the coding?

Thanks for your mail Gail. I edit the options, so you can see the results now.

Serpico
12-17-2015, 05:54 AM
Gail - new member. H10e1. I joined the project and let you see my results. Anything else to do? Thanks!

GailT
12-18-2015, 04:12 AM
Gail - new member. H10e1. I joined the project and let you see my results. Anything else to do? Thanks!

Thanks for joining the project, and you'll want to watch for more new project members who share your extra private mutation - currently there is one with maternal ancestry in Poland and one with unknown maternal ancestry.

SAWatson
04-13-2016, 08:21 PM
The references I found were widely variant in their age and place estimates. One of the more reliable seems to be:
http://www.cell.com/cms/attachment/2024885281/2044552800/mmc1.pdf

The American Journal of Human Genetics, Volume 90 Supplemental Data
A “Copernican” Reassessment of the Human Mitochondrial DNA Tree from its Root
Doron M Behar, Mannis van Oven, Saharon Rosset, Mait Metspalu, Eva-Liis Loogväli, Nuno M Silva, Toomas Kivisild, Antonio Torroni, and Richard Villems

I've extracted the following rows from a hu-u-u-ge honkin' table:

Table S5. PAML-Based Age Estimated

Haplogroup..Time estimate ....Std Dev
..................(years)..............(years)
------------ +----------------- +----------------
HV............ 21,905.8.......... +/- 2832.7
H............. 12,846.0........... +/- 773.4
H10 .......... 8,594.5........... +/- 2263.6
H10e......... 4,689.1........... +/- 2263.6
H10e1........ 2,769.4........... +/- 3169.0
------------------------------------------------------------

Most other sources place H alot further back:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_H_(mtDNA)
Haplogroup H
Possible time of origin 20,000-25,000 YBP
Possible place of origin Southwest Asia (Black Sea area: Iran, Turkey, Georgia...)

My own branch, H10e1, would seem to come from Ireland. It was probably spread by the slave trade out of Ireland a thousand years ago.

GailT
04-14-2016, 04:41 AM
We have many more H10e1 samples available since the Behar et al paper. I have an age estimate of about 3600 years for H10e1 and is is widely distributed across northern Europe. My paternal grandmother is H10e1 and she has German ancestry.

treeofme
05-15-2016, 01:21 AM
I also have H10e1, is this the project to join on FTDNA.. "H10 Mitochondrial DNA Full Genomic Sequence (mtGenome) Project"?

Thank you

GailT
05-15-2016, 01:28 AM
Yes "H10 Mitochondrial DNA Full Genomic Sequence (mtGenome) Project"? is the correct project to join. Please also share your coding region results with the project administrator.

treeofme
05-15-2016, 01:45 AM
Thanks, I have joined.

aldos
09-25-2017, 11:56 PM
Hi a all!
I have H10e3. My maternal line is from Ukraine (Chernigov).

Feiichy
11-28-2017, 02:39 PM
H10e. Maternal line from Hungary.

As far as I know, H10e was found in neolithic Portugal, bronze age Germany and medieval sample from Hungarian-Croatian border.

Feiichy
11-28-2017, 02:43 PM
Comment from FTDNA administrators:

''H10e is estimated to be about 5000 years old (or perhaps slightly older with a possible H10e ancient sample dated to about 5700 years ago in Portugal) and is widely distributed across Europe. It is found in Scandinavia but it does not have any specific connection to Scandinavia. H10e probably spread across northern Europe with Neolithic farmers but has not yet been associated with a specific Neolithic culture.''

''H10e about 5000 years old and is mostly found in Germanic areas of northern Europe, especialy the UK, Germany an Scandinavia.''

Feiichy
11-28-2017, 02:56 PM
Mediaval Hungarian-Slavic contact zone result:

''The number of typed mtDNA from the 10th–12th century contact zone metapopulation13 was enlarged by four 10th century samples from present-day north Croatia. One belonged to a characteristic European H10e haplotype''

I am unable to post links for the scientific studies. Sorry.

Maximilian
01-27-2018, 10:30 AM
My mtDNA is H10b. I uploaded a screenshot of my FTDNA results - can somebody tell me further information about them? would be great, thank you a lot! :)

Maximilian
01-27-2018, 10:34 AM
21044

21045

Extra Mutations: 309.1C 315.1C 522.1A 522.2C G8519A

Missing Mutations: C195T

Aha
06-30-2018, 09:06 PM
H10a information?

Maximilian
10-11-2018, 10:46 AM
Is there any new information about H10b so far? :\

Aha
10-11-2018, 11:29 AM
FTDNA H10a ancestor heatmap:
https://i.imgur.com/4Y3ct73.jpg

H10a stats from the newly born mtDNA tree from FTDNA:
https://i.imgur.com/U8fH5tt.jpg

TomW.
01-26-2021, 12:19 PM
Hi, Your mtDNA is maybe from Ukraine? I'm H10a tested by LivingDNA. My maternal line is from Western Ukraine.