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haleaton
03-21-2014, 05:20 AM
Don't know if this really needed a new thread for the dozen or so with test results arriving in the next weeks, but here are my L2+ Z49- Z367- results so far L2* not matching anyone, yet. Based on updated NGC reports and Big Y results reports.

Many of these will just be recent Family SNPs. The ones which were tested positive in my Big Y are indicated. NGC data was able to evaluate all SNPs found in Big Y as expected.

13820260 is under study as it did not meet the FGC criteria for reliability.


b37 position Reference allele Sample allele Named variant status BigY Novel Samples sharing variant
FGC SNPs shared:
28586221 A G CTS12419+ HG01161 (E-M5347)
9034891 C T FGC7986+ High+ HG04198 (H2*)
6827507 G A FGC5286+ HG03432 (E-Z6013)
14660607 T C FGC5287+ HG01840 (O-F923*)

Private FGC SNPs:
3088816 T G FGC5288+
3463656 C T FGC5289+
3915368 C T FGC5290+
4200262 A G FGC5291+
4608804 G A FGC5292+
5112364 C T FGC5293+
5547084 G T FGC5294+
6403864 T A FGC5295+
] 6985619 G A FGC5296+ High+
7015529 C T FGC5297+
7022935 A G FGC5298+
7038254 C G FGC7987+
7115859 T C FGC5299+ High+
7681861 A G M6559+
7832161 T C FGC5300+ Medium+
7899592 C T FGC5301+ High+
7969590 T C FGC5302+
8320779 A C FGC5303+ High+
9156208 T C FGC5304+ High+
13329890 A G FGC5305+
13820260 G A TBD+ High+
14420067 T C FGC5306+ High+
14675249 G T FGC5307+
14865182 A C FGC5308+ High+
15909364 T C FGC5309+
15931829 T C FGC5310+
16267644 C G FGC5311+ High+
16338151 C T FGC5312+ High+
17008323 A C FGC5313+ High+
17557325 T G FGC5314+
17794885 G A FGC5315+ High+
18825164 G A FGC5316+ High+
18964422 T C FGC5317+ High+
21260230 T C FGC5318+
21382958 T G FGC5319+
21409985 G A FGC5320+
21654553 A G FGC5321+ High+
22294291 C T FGC5322+
22489310 G T FGC5323+ High+
23051944 A G FGC5324+

Private FGC INDELs/MNPs :
7390278 CGGG CGG FGC5325+
9971546 CTT CT FGC5326+
14035926 CTAAAAT CT FGC7988+
17052814 TC T FGC5327+
18919932 ACTCT ACTCTCT FGC5328+
22539817 TTATA TTATATA FGC5329+

Kwheaton
03-22-2014, 07:30 PM
Hal,
If some of the other L2* folks results don't start pouring in I'm going to have to take up another hobby.:P I want so badly for Rich to get his---soon!

haleaton
03-24-2014, 08:12 PM
Hal,
If some of the other L2* folks results don't start pouring in I'm going to have to take up another hobby.:P I want so badly for Rich to get his---soon!

According to Leon Kull of FGC on their Facebook page "b6 ETA is 15th of April" btw. I think that is your batch. So three R1b-L2+ Z49- Z367- samples, but sadly no known others currently. It is more expensive but FGC really is a quality product.

Kwheaton
03-28-2014, 01:52 PM
According to Leon Kull of FGC on their Facebook page "b6 ETA is 15th of April" btw. I think that is your batch. So three R1b-L2+ Z49- Z367- samples, but sadly no known others currently. It is more expensive but FGC really is a quality product.

Yep April 15th. I see that Tuesday is the latest ETA for Rich. Hope so!

Biloo
04-03-2014, 02:27 AM
I just got my big Y results. If I read it correctly, I have a total of 102 novel variants from which 99 are high confidence and 3 medium confidence . What should I do now ?

MitchellSince1893
04-03-2014, 03:05 AM
Assuming you are in the FTDNA U152 project, the admin will review your data and compare it with other results. Eventually you will see your kit# moved to the appropriate spot within the project pages. Took about 4 days before mine moved.

But honestly I feel the same way....what do I do now?

Not saying this is what you should do, but here is what I've been doing:
1. Look at your results in google chrome with the BigY addon...it gives you more abilities to analyze your results...look at the Morley DNA experimental tree on there and the others too.
1. Downloaded the named and novel snps from the BIGY results page.
2. Use novel snps posted on here in some of the threads and at Britain'sDNA list http://tinyurl.com/llpuu8l to see if any of the snps showed up elsewhere; and added these snp names to my spreadsheet just so I could gain a better situational awareness of where these snps fit in to the y-tree. As I only have access to what's publically available it's all I can do on my end.

Not sure if I'm wasting my time doing this but at least I feel like I'm doing something with my results. If nothing else I'm taking a self taught crash course in snp analysis...making many mistakes and asking lots of "dumb questions" in the process....any experts want to be my mentor?

As mentioned in previous posts request your BAM file from the FTDNA help desk so that it can be analyzed by FGC and/or Yfull.com.

tbartold
04-03-2014, 03:44 AM
I just got my big Y results. If I read it correctly, I have a total of 102 novel variants from which 99 are high confidence and 3 medium confidence . What should I do now ?

I was in the same situation (actually, 99 high and 33 medium), but couldn't do anything with them myself except wait. I requested my "BAM" file from FTDNA, and once they provided the link, forwarded it to both YFull (yfull.com) and FGC (fullgenomes.com) who were able to compare it with all the other results they have. Eventually they provided results that they will be able to use way better than I could myself, and way better than FTDNA provides. That is all that I would suggest doing.

My 132 'novel' SNPs are now much more informative. About a hundred are not really novel, and are actually upstream of L2, 1 puts me in a select group downstream of L2* (that RR already identified) and a bunch (30+) really are unique to me. That's something that would have been nigh impossible for me to figure out without their help.

BTW: Chris Morley and the "Morley DNA experimental tree" was designed for the Geno 2.0 results and was extremely helpful to me to identify FTDNA messing up my Geno 2.0 results. In that I think Chris has done a fantastic job, as far as it goes. However, the inclusion of his tree in the BigY addon is premature. His tree really is not designed for the BigY results and gives some really crazy results (at least for me). I would wait until he has a chance to update his tree before using it with BigY, otherwise it could be misleading. I'm sure that when he has a chance to update his tree, (and I encourage him to do so) it will reveal more than any other analysis could.

Biloo
04-03-2014, 03:52 AM
@MitchellSince1893 and tbartold
Thank you very much for your posts, it helps me alot

I have installed the big Y addon, and now I have access to the Morley DNA tree where I can see that I have a no call for L2. Do you have the same problem ?

Biloo
04-03-2014, 04:35 AM
In the Open Snp Trackers of the FTDNAs R1b-U152 project, it seems that I'm DF90+. A snp below L2 and parallel to Z49 and Z367. I'm not sure though. We'll see what Richard think of that.

haleaton
04-03-2014, 05:07 AM
In the Open Snp Trackers of the FTDNAs R1b-U152 project, it seems that I'm DF90+. A snp below L2 and parallel to Z49 and Z367. I'm not sure though. We'll see what Richard think of that.

Interesting my Big Y did not report status on DF90 unless I missed a duplicate name. However I am DF90- in Full Genomes Data.

Also I was a L2 No Call in Big Y. I wonder if this is a systematic error.

Kwheaton
04-03-2014, 12:58 PM
Interesting my Big Y did not report status on DF90 unless I missed a duplicate name. However I am DF90- in Full Genomes Data.

Also I was a L2 No Call in Big Y. I wonder if this is a systematic error.
Not a good thing if all those L2's participating in Big Y that don't know they are and then get No call's there. I see a major headache coming for Project Administrators at the surname group level (not major Haplogroups)

Looking forward to hearing Rich's results and analysis. Looks like we are finally making some progress in splitting apart the L2* folks....We had been given an April 16 date before the latest snafu's for Batch 6. We will see.....

R.Rocca
04-03-2014, 02:54 PM
In the Open Snp Trackers of the FTDNAs R1b-U152 project, it seems that I'm DF90+. A snp below L2 and parallel to Z49 and Z367. I'm not sure though. We'll see what Richard think of that.

Yes, that is correct. I have put you as DF90+ along with several other samples. I'll publish an updated U152 tree this weekend.

Kwheaton
04-03-2014, 03:46 PM
Yes, that is correct. I have put you as DF90+ along with several other samples. I'll publish an updated U152 tree this weekend.

If the others positive for DF90 are in the UK I wonder if this points to British slaves shipped to the Northern Coast of Africa or the other way around. Congrats Mustapha!

Biloo
04-04-2014, 04:36 PM
Yes, that is correct. I have put you as DF90+ along with several other samples. I'll publish an updated U152 tree this weekend.

Is it possible for you to tell me if kit N68796 is DF90+ ? Our genetic distance is 13/37 and 20/67

thanks

R.Rocca
04-04-2014, 06:03 PM
Is it possible for you to tell me if kit N68796 is DF90+ ? Our genetic distance is 13/37 and 20/67

thanks

No, he is in a different branch altogether...he is L2+DF103+

tbartold
04-04-2014, 08:49 PM
@MitchellSince1893 and tbartold
Thank you very much for your posts, it helps me alot

I have installed the big Y addon, and now I have access to the Morley DNA tree where I can see that I have a no call for L2. Do you have the same problem ?

I am a no-call for L2 in BigY also, just as haleaton said also, so systematic error sounds possible.

I tried going to the Morley predictor from the BigY page and it loaded all my SNPs from BigY, but not from previous tests, so I copy/pasted all of the other test results into the box also before hitting "predict". It now correctly shows my L2+. But it also has a box "This suggested classification does not account for the following positive SNPs" that contains 331 SNPs, so I'm hoping Chris gets it updated soon.

MitchellSince1893
04-04-2014, 08:53 PM
Ditto for me...no call for L2 and Z49...but have positive calls below both of these.

Biloo
04-05-2014, 03:42 PM
Yes, that is correct. I have put you as DF90+ along with several other samples.

How many L2s are also DF90+ in the R1b-U152 project ?

Alessio B. Bedini
04-08-2014, 11:22 AM
Hello Mustapha
Our genetic distance is 20/67, 9 "DYS fast" and 11 "DYS slow"
Are you one of the closest to me
That is why I ordered the test DF90
I think that by the end of the month we will know more ...

Agamemnon
04-08-2014, 11:29 AM
How many L2s are also DF90+ in the R1b-U152 project ?

How do you think R-L2 ended up in your family?
I'm rather curious given it isn't exactly common in Algeria.

Alessio B. Bedini
04-08-2014, 12:04 PM
I think that the first L2 arrived in Algeria from Europe.
Distribution in Europe is too high to think otherwise.
He may have arrived in Algeria at the time of the Romans but also after.
The contacts between Europe and North Africa have always been intense, both in times of peace and in times of war.

Certainly it is difficult to understand if the first L2 has come for trade, to get away from something or if he was a soldier passing by and then returned to his country.
But this is true for each of us. It 's almost impossible to know this.

Rathna
04-08-2014, 12:15 PM
How do you think R-L2 ended up in your family?
I'm rather curious given it isn't exactly common in Algeria.

I studied some R1b haplotypes from North Africa some years ago (and also Argiedude did) and I remember that they seemed, more than of Italian or Roman origin, to come from Visigoths. They had a fractionated value. I should search again those posts of mine.
The link with Bedini, who is an Italian, but who thinks to be of German origin, could be interesting.

Biloo
04-08-2014, 05:35 PM
Hello Mustapha
Our genetic distance is 20/67, 9 "DYS fast" and 11 "DYS slow"
Are you one of the closest to me
That is why I ordered the test DF90
I think that by the end of the month we will know more ...

Hello Mustapha
Our genetic distance is 20/67, 9 "DYS fast" and 11 "DYS slow"
Are you one of the closest to me
That is why I ordered the test DF90
I think that by the end of the month we will know more ...

What a surprise ! I didn't know DF90 was already available to order at FTDNA. Hopefully, you'll turn out DF90+

BTW, Mustapha is my paternal grandfather's first name not mine :)

Kwheaton
04-08-2014, 08:26 PM
Hi all I was recomputing approximate GD for our WHEATON modal Kit 200230 (Batch 6) against various L2's (not accounting for multi step mutations):

Looks like our two closest STR wise are
BAIRD 23260 49/67 (12 Slow 7 Fast)
FOWLER N114738 49/67 (15 Slow 4 fast)
FOWLER 152091 48/67 (13 Slow 6 fast)
SIMONETTI N68796 48/67
HANNI 17160 46/67

It will be interesting to see whether we share any downstream SNPs
Kelly

Tom Fowler
04-08-2014, 10:02 PM
Kelly:

Rich emailed over the weekend, telling me there were no matches for my kit so far. I show nothing downstream of L2. Kind of disappointing, but as I said in the other thread, I have 57 private SNPs and 3 indels, most of which are 99% likely to be genuine - maybe the sheer weight of numbers will work in my favor at some point. Didn't see your kit number in my results, so I couldn't compare.

And by the way, thanks for the information. It looks like it's Thomas Fowler and Susannah Savory - which pushes us back to ca. 1662. Thanks for the help!

Kwheaton
04-08-2014, 10:53 PM
Tom,

You are welcome.

Our WHEATON FGS results are not due to post until the end of the month or thereabouts, so we can't match you yet ;-)

I wanted to send this map If you message me your email---I can send direct. It shows all the L2* I could find in the vicnity from various projects. Those showing a a Green pushpin are DNA results .
I think it helps to make it clear why I think this is one of our better chances to find shared SNPs.
Kelly
1698

Kwheaton
04-08-2014, 10:55 PM
Tom,

You are welcome.

Our WHEATON FGS results are not due to post until the end of the month or thereabouts, so we can't match you yet ;-)

I wanted to send this map If you message me your email---I can send direct. It shows all the L2* I could find in the vicnoty from various projects. Thise showing a a Green pushpin are DNA results .
I think it helps to make it clear why I think this is one of our better chances to find shared SNPs. Most of these are not expecting advance results but they are L2*
Kelly
1698

Kwheaton
04-08-2014, 10:56 PM
Tom,

You are welcome.

Our WHEATON FGS results are not due to post until the end of the month or thereabouts, so we can't match you yet ;-)

I wanted to send this map If you message me your email---I can send direct. It shows all the L2* I could find in the vicnoty from various projects. Thise showing a a Green pushpin are DNA results .
I think it helps to make it clear why I think this is one of our better chances to find shared SNPs. Most of these are not expecting advance results but they are L2*
Kelly
1698

Kwheaton
04-08-2014, 10:59 PM
Apologies for multi post. If someone can remove duplicates I'd appreciate it.
Kelly

haleaton
04-13-2014, 03:34 PM
Interesting thing I noticed about the Big Y results reported for this part of the tree. Big Y reported my L2 status as "?" and I verified that this was in a region the BED file indicated was not covered or not to be used. However, I was able to get FGC to analyze my Big YBAM file (for fee for the first few, but later they will charge) and actually my RAW data was L2+ and in fact had over twice as many + reads as my FGC BAM data did. The Big Y Raw Data also had me correctly as Z36- (which was ? by Big Y's criteria) but Z49 was a true no-call.

FGC correctly identified that based on their current tree and comparison with other data sets, that for the Big Y data that it was ambiguous as to terminal SNP.

But I was glad that L2 was there just not reported by Big Y, I guess by excluding this region.

R.Rocca
04-13-2014, 04:02 PM
Interesting thing I noticed about the Big Y results reported for this part of the tree. Big Y reported my L2 status as "?" and I verified that this was in a region the BED file indicated was not covered or not to be used. However, I was able to get FGC to analyze my Big YBAM file (for fee for the first few, but later they will charge) and actually my RAW data was L2+ and in fact had over twice as many + reads as my FGC BAM data did. The Big Y Raw Data also had me correctly as Z36- (which was ? by Big Y's criteria) but Z49 was a true no-call.

FGC correctly identified that based on their current tree and comparison with other data sets, that for the Big Y data that it was ambiguous as to terminal SNP.

But I was glad that L2 was there just not reported by Big Y, I guess by excluding this region.

Unfortunately, almost all of the higher level U152 SNPs (e.g. L2, Z36, Z56 etc.) are being marked as "REJECTED" in the Big-Y download file and so they show up as "?" when searching for them from the myFTDNA screen.

haleaton
04-13-2014, 04:32 PM
Unfortunately, almost all of the higher level U152 SNPs (e.g. L2, Z36, Z56 etc.) are being marked as "REJECTED" in the Big-Y download file and so they show up as "?" when searching for them from the myFTDNA screen.

I am curious if everyone doing Big Y has basically the same BED file filtering what I think should be good data. Ironic though is "L2" was the second SNP named for FTDNA's lab, though it was found in 23andMe data.

Kwheaton
04-13-2014, 08:41 PM
Hal,
In case you didn't see my post elsewhere. It looks like it will be another round before our "correct" L2 WHEATONs post results. The good news is I am sure you and Rich and the rest of the gang will have it well sorted by then....(hope springs eternal).

It is ironic that the Big Y is failing to report L2+ successfully---I am grateful that you were able to determine through YFull.com that the call is really there. I don't hear much grumbling from Big Y participants but I wonder how many have a clue of where they are in the great Y SNP Tsunami....

haleaton
04-14-2014, 02:16 AM
Hal,
In case you didn't see my post elsewhere. It looks like it will be another round before our "correct" L2 WHEATONs post results. The good news is I am sure you and Rich and the rest of the gang will have it well sorted by then....(hope springs eternal).

It is ironic that the Big Y is failing to report L2+ successfully---I am grateful that you were able to determine through YFull.com that the call is really there. I don't hear much grumbling from Big Y participants but I wonder how many have a clue of where they are in the great Y SNP Tsunami....

I was sorry to hear about it, but the data will be useful to somebody.

Kwheaton
04-14-2014, 02:28 AM
I was sorry to hear about it, but the data will be useful to somebody.

Yes they are very excited as is the matching WHEATON who did the BIG Y. My group has been fantastically supportive and lots of good has come from it. When life gives you lemons---make lemonade (or hard cider).:rain:

Alessio B. Bedini
04-19-2014, 08:40 PM
What a surprise ! I didn't know DF90 was already available to order at FTDNA. Hopefully, you'll turn out DF90+

BTW, Mustapha is my paternal grandfather's first name not mine :)

I had today the results and I am DF90- (only 10 days ;) )
I'm disappointed because I really thought to be DF90+
Now the next test is FGC10543
Let's hope so ..

Kwheaton
04-19-2014, 09:13 PM
I had today the results and I am DF90- (only 10 days ;) )
I'm disappointed because I really thought to be DF90+
Now the next test is FGC10543
Let's hope so ..
As disappointing as those negatives are they are all good in sorting out the tree so the rest of us thank you! That's a quick turn a round time so good to know.

Biloo
04-19-2014, 09:40 PM
I had today the results and I am DF90- (only 10 days ;) )
I'm disappointed because I really thought to be DF90+
Now the next test is FGC10543
Let's hope so ..

You'll get rid of your L2(star), it's just a matter of time. By the way,
DF90 seems to be a small subclade of L2 and we still don't know what is the place of origin of this snp.

Kwheaton
04-19-2014, 10:20 PM
For anyone that is keeping track. The WHEATON Redo Kit should be in the mail to me Monday. I will post Kit No. when it is received.

It is fascinating tracking all the different locales and branches. There's a very high likelihood that most recent known ancestor will not be as helpful in selecting SNPs to test for. Say for simplicity's sake there are 1,000 L2 in the homeland Alps 4,000 YBP. And lets say 500 of those lines survived to the present. A downstream SNP may be represented in a present day Italian for one SNP and also shared in a Scottish man. Or it might be a German and a Welsh man or a group of men from Belgium, Poland and England. I think it will take some sorting before we can attach significant geographical movement and time frames. So in the beginning each SNP is just a scatter shot approach to see where it occurs and where it doesn't. Given the way people moved around---nothing much surprises me any more!

Happy Easter everyone!:grouphug: (Easter eggs doing group hug)

haleaton
04-26-2014, 04:27 AM
Despite consternations spread widely :\, in this little nook (R1B-L2 Z49- Z367-) :) I think there may be room for excitement :P of even more subbranches (or additions to already known) from the release of all the GENO 2.0 data that includes all those folks that aren't interested in this at all and do not participate in FTDNA group projects. I will let Rich R. come along later and burst my bubble :doh:, if needed.

The FTDNA Tree branches are almost all named SNPs from another lab which means they have been found in another individual, though Haplogroup may not be known. Also the criteria the Genographic project used for tree inclusion I have not seen stated. GENO participants may never have had STR testing and could be closely related and there should also be a some overlap of folks with FTDNA SNP results + GENO testing, but was never transferred, creating artificial non-Private SNPs.

I looked at the sub-branches and eliminated ones that are in U152_Tree_v003, though I may have missed something. So this could be like the pleasant surprise as was with BritainsDNA when they finally released the Illumina chip data they collected.



L2+ Z49- Z367- Downstream FTDNA Order
CTS667 6933008 ( G > C )
Y
CTS1166 7248487 ( G > T ) aka Z1744
N

F4205 16331432 ( A > G )
Y
F1643 9902395 ( G > A )
N
PF7610 13658168 ( G > A )
N
F3916 14348251 ( G > A )
Y
PF4367 14481150 ( C > T )
N
CTS5153 16040682 ( A > G ) in N113573
N
PF6610 16504649 ( C > T )
N

~PF70 3966485 ( C > T )
N
CTS6942 17203952 ( G > T )
N
CTS7010 17233286 ( C > T ) in N117716, N123359
Y
CTS7491 17506937 ( C > T )
N
CTS10009 19207382 ( G > C ) aka S1582 in BDNA-1870
N

CTS3080 14648041 ( G > A ) aka S1565
N
M126 21930258 ( AATA > del ) aka S27477
Y


I think CTS10009 will fit into the "S1555, S1566, S1567, S1569, S1570, S1573" subranch in U152_Tree_v003.
CTS5153 & CTS7010 samples are part of the U152 & Subclades Group Project. I hope they get additional SNP testing.

I am negative for all these SNPs and all others and proudly wear my R-L2*, but I included whether they were available on special order from FTDNA as of this evening, though from my experiece YSEQ.com has provided excellent and rapid service and currently they have a sale.

Full Genomes also has a sale which basically makes them the same price as a FTDNA Big Y + a 67 STR test. A previous Y test is required for Big Y.

haleaton
04-26-2014, 03:40 PM
I guess M126 was noted before and is on the 02/2013 "U152 and Subclades Phylogenetic Tree" with location between U152 and downstream SNPs not determined. I don't know if there have been any other sightings or citings since:

http://www.davidkfaux.org/R1b1c10_Resources.pdf

"Underhill et al. (2000) tested a sample of 60
“Europeans” and found 1 who was M126+, and 3 who were M160+. In
closely examining the data, it appears that all of these individuals were
Italians. It would, however, appear that these two markers may in fact be
“private SNPs” and unlikely to be seen again except in the same area or
with the same families tested in the original study."

Also I may have the B37 location of M126 wrong as it is an INDEL and found conflicting references.

haleaton
04-28-2014, 09:31 PM
Noticed my L2 downstream FTDNA Y-Tree SNPs are now mostly colored "Tested Negative" as they should be along with upstream positives and negatives based on GENO 2.0 mostly. Need to go back and see given this tree how well Big Y would have done.

Alessio B. Bedini
05-09-2014, 08:38 AM
I have my YSEQ results :

DF110 ChrY 15715742 15715742 G-

Another time negative :frusty:

Now it's better to test FGC10516, FGC10536 or FGC10543?

R.Rocca
05-09-2014, 12:21 PM
I have my YSEQ results :

DF110 ChrY 15715742 15715742 G-

Another time negative :frusty:

Now it's better to test FGC10516, FGC10536 or FGC10543?

That would be great. Thanks.

Biloo
05-10-2014, 04:35 PM
The FGC analysis of the Big Y data is really hard to understand. If I read it correctly, FGC has found 1727 private SNPs, 29 of them are high reliability. Why such a difference in my results between FTDNA, FGC and Yfull ? I'm confused.

R.Rocca
05-10-2014, 07:08 PM
The FGC analysis of the Big Y data is really hard to understand. If I read it correctly, FGC has found 1727 private SNPs, 29 of them are high reliability. Why such a difference in my results between FTDNA, FGC and Yfull ? I'm confused.

If you email me your results or share them with me via your full genomes home page, I can help you out.

R.Rocca
05-11-2014, 01:02 AM
The FGC analysis of the Big Y data is really hard to understand. If I read it correctly, FGC has found 1727 private SNPs, 29 of them are high reliability. Why such a difference in my results between FTDNA, FGC and Yfull ? I'm confused.

The SNPs are all of the SNPs that you differ from the reference. The great majority of them are in places that are known to be unstable, so FTDNA does not report them. The only ones you should be interested in the FGC report are the ones that have no star or one star.

MitchellSince1893
05-11-2014, 04:30 AM
The FGC analysis of the Big Y data is really hard to understand. If I read it correctly, FGC has found 1727 private SNPs, 29 of them are high reliability. Why such a difference in my results between FTDNA, FGC and Yfull ? I'm confused.

As Rich indicated, most of those SNPs are unreliable or as FGC calls them "10% Genuine". Based on analysis of my BigY, I would say much less than 10% are reliable...In my case 1 in 3058.

I posted this before but here is a table showing the results of FGC and YFull analysis of my BigY. FGC categories on the X axis across the top and YFull categories on the Y axis down left side.

As you can see, FGC identified over 3200 SNPs, but only 24 were rated greater than 95% reliable.

YFull had 23 SNPs in the "Best" and "Acceptable" category, and 48 more "Unreliable", and 1 "Low Quality".

20 SNPs (10+7+3) were shared/overlapped between YFull's top 2 categories and FGC's top 2 categories.

Between FGC, YFull and FTDNA analysis, I currently believe there are 28 "Good" Novel SNPs in my BigY test.

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Ravai
05-11-2014, 11:13 AM
Hi Richard, do you recommend me to advance the Y-DNA?

Thanks

R.Rocca
05-11-2014, 12:36 PM
Hi Richard, do you recommend me to advance the Y-DNA?

Thanks

Being that you are L2+ Z49- Z367-, you could try to test for DF103 or DF90 or DF110 in that order. Obviously, if money is not an issue, you can test Full Genomes ($1099) or Big-Y ($695).

Biloo
10-02-2014, 06:21 PM
Any news on SNPs DF90 and FGC14641 ?

pasquale
12-31-2014, 05:56 PM
After a 2 month wait, I received my results for z367=negative. Because I am below novice when it comes to understanding anything about this, I am at a loss as the route/test I should pursue.

R.Rocca
01-04-2015, 02:46 AM
After a 2 month wait, I received my results for z367=negative. Because I am below novice when it comes to understanding anything about this, I am at a loss as the route/test I should pursue.

Pasquale, have you tested DF90 or DF103?

Biloo
03-05-2015, 04:46 AM
To all members of haplogroup R-L2 (Z49- and Z367-), I have a coupon to save 100$ on a Big Y test. If I'm not wrong this coupon is valid for the next 12 hours

tbartold
03-07-2015, 02:45 AM
Just FYI guys...

I finally did a Family Finder test at FTDNA, and the results came back a bit confusing to me.

The graphic showed 9% western european and 91% eastern european.

Since I'm pretty sure my ydna is from Switzerland (R-L2), but the rest of my heritage is pure Polish, (all 90 pre-US ancestors I've identified so far have been born in Poland) I would have expected a higher eastern percentage.

At least this result is way better than the Geno 2.0 Finland/Greek result I received.

But my question is... since I can download the results, is there something better I can do with them now?

lgmayka
03-07-2015, 03:03 AM
The graphic showed 9% western european and 91% eastern european.

Since I'm pretty sure my ydna is from Switzerland (R-L2), but the rest of my heritage is pure Polish, (all 90 pre-US ancestors I've identified so far have been born in Poland) I would have expected a higher eastern percentage.
The inexactness is not dependent on yDNA. My cousins and I are essentially 100% rural southern Polish with three different yDNA haplogroups, but here are our MyOrigins percentages:

90% Eastern Europe
3% Scandinavia
7% Asia Minor

83% Eastern Europe
14% British Isles
3% Asia Minor

87% Eastern Europe
12% Scandinavia
1% Finland and Northern Siberia

Part of the problem, I suspect, is that FTDNA's Eastern European representative samples may not include a Carpathian Mountains area.

R.Rocca
03-07-2015, 03:36 AM
Just FYI guys...

I finally did a Family Finder test at FTDNA, and the results came back a bit confusing to me.

The graphic showed 9% western european and 91% eastern european.

Since I'm pretty sure my ydna is from Switzerland (R-L2), but the rest of my heritage is pure Polish, (all 90 pre-US ancestors I've identified so far have been born in Poland) I would have expected a higher eastern percentage.

At least this result is way better than the Geno 2.0 Finland/Greek result I received.

But my question is... since I can download the results, is there something better I can do with them now?

Yes, upload them to Gedmatch and get much better analytics... http://v2.gedmatch.com/login1.php

markalliston
03-12-2017, 08:54 PM
I am a match for Liston on the FTDNA database and our surnames are very similar. Our date to common ancestor is between 600 and 900 years, I am in the FTDNA U152 project. The interesting thing is there is a record of an Alston migrating to Scotland in the 1300's.
My father was born not far from Liston in Essex where his family have been since the parish records began in the 1500's. From the link below it can be seen the English version of the surname Liston arises from the Village of Liston in Essex not far from my fathers birth town. The first record is when Avicia widow of Godfrey the Chamberlain has to do service for her manor. She had a son John De Liston who gave rise to the surname. Godfrey the Chamberlain may have been Ralph Fitz Godfrey Chamberlain to Henry the Younger and Richard I. He died in the siege of acre in 1191. So it looks like DF90 may be associated with the crusades which could account for its dispersal. Godfrey as a name was associated with the Godfrey Count of Louvain, Brusssels whose daughter married Henry I of England so it may have Frankish connections.

http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/families/strelley.shtml

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=zDssBgAAQBAJ&pg=PA229&lpg=PA229&dq=godfrey+de+liston&source=bl&ots=7GKwaQiDmz&sig=qNO3L_bAHlcres5RLXgVPHSr_Uk&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiFmNqXmJjSAhXQFsAKHWPMDfcQ6AEIIzAC#v=on epage&q=godfrey%20de%20liston&f=false