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Fbn79
03-23-2014, 03:05 PM
Hi,

I'm new here and to the world of genetics. I have teste my DNA with geno 2.0 and i'm R-Z150. No searching on google I have found many info on U152 and L2 but nothing more specific on Z49 > Z142 > Z150. Anyone can tell me more about or suggest me where to get more documentation, researches or speculations? :)

Another question. I have download snp svs data from my geno account and if I interpret the right way the data I have the Z150 mutation but not the Z142, is it possible?

My gene 2.0 data:

SNP Chr Allele1 Allele2
L2 Y T T
Z49 Y T G
Z142 Y A A
Z150 Y C C

ISOGG 2104 snp mutations description:
L2 C->T
Z49 G->T
Z142 A->G
Z150 T->C

Thank you
Fabiano

Pigmon
03-23-2014, 04:17 PM
You would have to be Z142 as well:

1653

There is a site called ysearch.org (http://ysearch.org) where you can upload your STRs and it is free. Do you have a ysearch ID number?

Curtis

Fbn79
03-23-2014, 04:21 PM
So I bad interpret the geno 2 files. In your opinion what's the interpretation of Allele1 | Allele2 ?


I think you would have to be Z142 as well:

1653

Curtis

Pigmon
03-23-2014, 06:56 PM
Fabiano,


3989476 T C Z150 downstream of Z142
There are others on here who can give you a better interpretation of these mutations than I can and they will probably answer your question.

In the meantime I would recommend that you join the U152 project. As far as I know Geno 2.0 tests are eligible to join but you may have to transfer your test into FTDNA. Here is the link:

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/R1b-U152/

Curtis

Fbn79
03-23-2014, 07:04 PM
Thank you Curtis. I have already joined the U152 project.


Fabiano,

There are others on here who can give you a better interpretation of these mutations than I can and they will probably answer your question.

In the meantime I would recommend that you join the U152 project. As far as I know Geno 2.0 tests are eligible to join but you may have to transfer your test into FTDNA. Here is the link:

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/R1b-U152/

Curtis

Pigmon
03-23-2014, 07:38 PM
I am 211664. What number or surname are you?

Curtis


Thank you Curtis. I have already joined the U152 project.

Fbn79
03-23-2014, 08:11 PM
My surname is Taioli. Where I can look for my number?

Pigmon
03-23-2014, 08:18 PM
If you just joined today or yesterday give it some time to show up there. It
will be somewhere on this page:

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/R1b-U152/default.aspx?vgroup=R1b-U152&vgroup=R1b-U152&vgroup=R1b-U152&vgroup=R1b-U152&vgroup=R1b-U152&vgroup=R1b-U152&section=ycolorized


My surname is Taioli. Where I can look for my number?

razyn
03-23-2014, 09:13 PM
My surname is Taioli. Where I can look for my number?

For a Geno2 test, your kit number is on the fancy box in which they sent you the test kit.

Rathna
03-24-2014, 04:11 AM
I was waiting that Richard Rocca answered you, but probably he is busy now. Anyway this is a sample from his spreadsheet:
N/A NA20812 L2+ Z49+ Z142+ Z150+ TSI - Tuscan in Italy Y 1000 Genomes Project N/A
I choose a Tuscan amongst others he has in his spreadsheet because your surname is from North Italy. It seems that Z150+ presupposes "L2+ Z49+ Z142+ ".
Anyway you don't seem a newbie, because your data aren't actually clear.
This is Squecco from Friuli:
72367 L2+ Z49+ Z142-Natale Squecco Abt 1550, Cavazzo Carnico, Udine, Italy Family Tree DNA 543

R.Rocca
03-24-2014, 09:54 AM
My surname is Taioli. Where I can look for my number?

Welcome to the site. Your kit number is N121088. Please make sure to add the name and place of origin of your ancestor by going to MyAccount > Most Distant Ancestors.

There are very few confirmed Z150+ members of our project, so very little can be said about its origin. The most well tested sample in our project has a most distant common ancestor of Jean Beaugrand-Champagne, born 1641 in France. There is one subclade of Z150 that is defined by SNP CTS9490.

Fbn79
03-24-2014, 07:36 PM
Thankyou Rathna and Richard for the informations.
The next weekend I'm going to do some research and I'll post my ancestor :)

MitchellSince1893
03-25-2014, 01:34 AM
Welcome to the site. Your kit number is N121088. Please make sure to add the name and place of origin of your ancestor by going to MyAccount > Most Distant Ancestors.

There are very few confirmed Z150+ members of our project, so very little can be said about its origin. The most well tested sample in our project has a most distant common ancestor of Jean Beaugrand-Champagne, born 1641 in France. There is one subclade of Z150 that is defined by SNP CTS9490.

Did you mean CTS7970? I ask because when I look at the updated FTDNA U152 project, I'm seeing the following subclades listed immediately under Z150/Z12222:

- CTS7970
- L654
- L552/L553

R.Rocca
03-25-2014, 09:19 PM
Did you mean CTS7970? I ask because when I look at the updated FTDNA U152 project, I'm seeing the following subclades listed immediately under Z150/Z12222:

- CTS7970
- L654
- L552/L553

CTS9490 is one subclade level down from Z150+ and one subclade level up from CTS7970. I'll publish a tree during the weekend.

Barellalee
03-25-2014, 10:50 PM
In correlation to all of this, in Italy's terms of "Metal Ages", I suppose in consecutive order they would be Eneolithic, Bronze, and Iron?? Correction if I'm wrong. Given this, at what point generally would these Metal Ages be said to have ended? 900 B.C. or earlier, or when??

MitchellSince1893
03-26-2014, 12:32 AM
CTS9490 is one subclade level down from Z150+ and one subclade level up from CTS7970. I'll publish a tree during the weekend.

Ok so CTS9490 is located at 22867545 then? If so then I understand the structure listed on the project page.

MitchellSince1893
03-29-2014, 03:26 AM
According to my BigY results, I am positive for novel snps 8413680 and 22867545. I had a question mark for the above mentioned CTS9490.

Using Rich's Full Y-Chromosome U152 tracker: 8413680 = Z12222 which is approximate with Z150.

Using the updated FTDNA project data: 22867545 is shown as Z150/Z12222/22867545. EDIT: Rich informed me on another thread that 22867545 is at same level at Z150 and Z12222.

I was negative on CTS7970, so I would be on a different branch than these Z150+ kits:
-1370 John Graves, b.c. 1665, England/Virginia
-1620
-111766 John Tucker Of Cattle Creek, Orangeburg, SC
-6732 Arnold Peacock, b 1786 Barnwell Co., SC

I'm also negative for L654 and the L552/L553 branches of Z150/Z12222/22867545 so I guess I'm part of an unnamed different branch.

MitchellSince1893
04-26-2014, 10:08 PM
For those that are R1b-U152>L2>Z49>Z142:

I requested that CTS9490 be added to the wish list at YSEQ.net.

CTS9490 was recently discovered by Richard Rocca to be a subclade of Z150/Z12222.

BigY didn't read this SNP, so it's uncertain as to whether my branch is under CTS9490, or another branch directly under Z150/Z12222.

I will provide an update once I get confirmation from YSeq.net that the primer is ready for orders.

MitchellSince1893
04-27-2014, 04:10 PM
I created a new thread in hopes to centralize all the newly available a la carte SNPs.

http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?2503-Place-to-post-newly-ordered-SNPs&p=38602#post38602

Pigmon
05-01-2014, 12:32 PM
Hi Mitchell,

Do you see your snps and mine possibly lining up with Davenport? According to Steve Gilbert, Davenport is my closest match in the Z49+,Z142+ realm.

I have ordered Z12222 the equivalent of Z150 from FTDNA and doing the long wait!

Curtis


According to my BigY results, I am positive for novel snps 8413680 and 22867545. I had a question mark for the above mentioned CTS9490.

Using Rich's Full Y-Chromosome U152 tracker: 8413680 = Z12222 which is approximate with Z150.

Using the updated FTDNA project data: 22867545 is shown as Z150/Z12222/22867545. EDIT: Rich informed me on another thread that 22867545 is at same level at Z150 and Z12222.

I was negative on CTS7970, so I would be on a different branch than these Z150+ kits:
-1370 John Graves, b.c. 1665, England/Virginia
-1620
-111766 John Tucker Of Cattle Creek, Orangeburg, SC
-6732 Arnold Peacock, b 1786 Barnwell Co., SC

I'm also negative for L654 and the L552/L553 branches of Z150/Z12222/22867545 so I guess I'm part of an unnamed different branch.

MitchellSince1893
05-01-2014, 01:47 PM
Davenport's BigY kit is still not complete. As Z150 may be 5000 years old (+/- 700 years) a lot of STR mutations could have occurred during this time....Going just 1500 years back, 2 individuals from same paternal ancestor may have 15 GD on 67 marker test.

For example Brace and I are GD of 11 @ 37 markers. We both share SNP below Z150. Until it is revealed how many novel SNPs we share, our common ancestor could have been 5000 years ago.

Bottom line is we need to wait for Davenport's results...anything I say would be pure speculation at this point.

Pigmon
05-01-2014, 04:39 PM
Yeah, that is kind of what I am thinking as well. I spent a couple of years comparing strs and found out that doesn't really work well for finding ancestors or cousins.

My closest match on ftdna matches compares me at 2 steps away from an L20!

Arrrrrg!

Apologies for any muddy thinking I may have had on here. I have chronic lymphocytic leukemia (CLL) and we sometimes refer to it as CLL brain. I spent the last two days going through chemotherapy.

At least I got my Z12222+ results today!

Curtis

MitchellSince1893
05-01-2014, 06:40 PM
I saw that you moved on the project page. Congrats fellow z12222er.
As far as your next snp, it's hard to tell which snp to go with next. The quickest one would be to order CTS 9490 from yseq as it's currently available.

My prayers are with you on your illness.


Mark

R.Rocca
05-01-2014, 06:47 PM
Yeah, that is kind of what I am thinking as well. I spent a couple of years comparing strs and found out that doesn't really work well for finding ancestors or cousins.

My closest match on ftdna matches compares me at 2 steps away from an L20!

Arrrrrg!

Apologies for any muddy thinking I may have had on here. I have chronic lymphocytic leukemia (CLL) and we sometimes refer to it as CLL brain. I spent the last two days going through chemotherapy.

At least I got my Z12222+ results today!

Curtis

Congrats on your new SNP, and wishing for a quick recovery for you.

Pigmon
05-01-2014, 07:49 PM
Thanks Mark and Rich,

I am feeling a little anxious/ansy today after the treatments but actually much better than I was.

CTS 9490 will hopefully be available through ftdna and I will probably wait and order it from them when it becomes available!

Curtis

MitchellSince1893
05-28-2014, 12:54 AM
Hi Mitchell,

Do you see your snps and mine possibly lining up with Davenport? According to Steve Gilbert, Davenport is my closest match in the Z49+,Z142+ realm.
Curtis

I may be jumping the gun but it looks like kit# 7181 Thomas Davenport is U152> L2> Z49/Z68> Z142> Z51> L562/Z55> Z57.

Z57 is currently shown as his termninal SNP on the FTDNA project page.

If this is the case then our (Pigmon and me) closest Z142+ STR match, that also did the BigY test; isn't on our branch of Z142.

It would also be another example of how STR GDs are often not indicative of an actual match, at least not within the last 5000 or so years.

R.Rocca
05-28-2014, 04:57 PM
I may be jumping the gun but it looks like kit# 7181 Thomas Davenport is U152> L2> Z49/Z68> Z142> Z51> L562/Z55> Z57.

Z57 is currently shown as his termninal SNP on the FTDNA project page.

If this is the case then our (Pigmon and me) closest Z142+ STR match, that also did the BigY test; isn't on our branch of Z142.

It would also be another example of how STR GDs are often not indicative of an actual match, at least not within the last 5000 or so years.

You are correct. Davenport is now two levels down from Z57 as follows:

U152> L2> Z49/Z68> Z142> Z51> L562/Z55> Z57 > 17861407 > 16472013, 22631814

Pigmon
05-28-2014, 05:18 PM
I may be jumping the gun but it looks like kit# 7181 Thomas Davenport is U152> L2> Z49/Z68> Z142> Z51> L562/Z55> Z57.

Z57 is currently shown as his termninal SNP on the FTDNA project page.

If this is the case then our (Pigmon and me) closest Z142+ STR match, that also did the BigY test; isn't on our branch of Z142.

It would also be another example of how STR GDs are often not indicative of an actual match, at least not within the last 5000 or so years.

Mark,

If you have no objection we (Curtis and Sissy) can look into your paternal genealogy. I found your information on your profile at ysearch. It could lead to my missing link as well.

Some of our work is at:

curtisnsissy.tripod.com

Regards,
Curtis

MitchellSince1893
05-28-2014, 10:31 PM
Mark,

If you have no objection we (Curtis and Sissy) can look into your paternal genealogy. I found your information on your profile at ysearch. It could lead to my missing link as well.

Some of our work is at:

curtisnsissy.tripod.com

Regards,
Curtis

Sure. Thanks!

Pigmon
06-01-2014, 02:13 PM
Mark,

I sent you a personal message so we can keep this thread on Z150.

Curtis


Sure. Thanks!

Pigmon
09-24-2014, 02:31 PM
I just noticed that we have two more entries in the U152 and sublcades Z150 section.

They are John C. Ward, b.1790, Woodhouse, Sheffield, UK and George Ward b~1747 Handsworth,Sheffield, Yorks,Eng.

Our little community is growing!

Curtis

MitchellSince1893
10-05-2014, 01:46 AM
Good news!

I got one of my FTDNA y-dna 25 marker matches to do a Z12222 SNP test from YSEQ. I just ordered it and it's being sent to his residence.

He has only tested at 25 markers and he matches 24 of 25 markers. Another 24 of 25 marker match individual has the same surname and also has only tested 25 markers. Our only STR difference for both kits is DYS464, which has a high mutation rate.

While a 25 marker match isn't too exciting by itself, this person's paternal line connects to the same ancestor as 3 of my father's autosomal matches I've found using gedmatch and genomemate. Also he is one of the few 25 marker matches still in the running as a potential match. Most of the other 180 25 marker matches are either a different haplgroup, or are very distant using the TiP tool.

Odds are this individual will be negative for Z12222; but that won't be a waste of time and money as I will finally know this wasn't a true STR match.

However, if he is positive for Z12222, I will be very excited that I may be closer to figuring out my paternal line prior to 1893 (hence my user name). A positive SNP match will warrant additional testing e.g. more SNP tests and/or 111 marker test.

MitchellSince1893
10-28-2014, 06:01 AM
The sample came back negative for z12222...so back to the drawing board.

beaugrandjacques
11-12-2014, 05:05 PM
I don’t remember having mentioned on this forum that I was tested at YSeq for CTS9490 last October and that I was found negative/ancestral.
My line of men having Jean Beaugrand-Champagne thus remains
U152>L2>Z49>Z142>Z150 ?[L552+ L553+ ]
[CTS9490- Y3140- S7404- L562-]
I do not know where [L552+ L553+ ] insert themselves in the phylogenetic paths nor why for the moment FTDNA uses L552 as a terminal leaf in their current tree.
L552 is found in several branches of the human yDNA tree according to the Geno2 protocoles I have analyzed. L553 would appear more exclusive to the branch below L2 (at least that of the Beaugrand).







2938

Pigmon
11-16-2014, 04:11 PM
Jacques,

I tested CTS9490 with yseq.net as well back in September and it was negative.

My Allele Results:

273 CTS9490 ChrY 18928795 18928795 C-

L552 is on the FTDNA yDNA haplotree:

https://my.familytreedna.com/y-dna-haplotree/

Scroll down about half way.

Regards,
Curtis

beaugrandjacques
11-16-2014, 04:58 PM
[QUOTE=Pigmon;58772]
CurtisPiedmont: You write *L552 is on the FTDNA yDNA haplotree*
https://my.familytreedna.com/y-dna-haplotree/

Yes I know, but it cannot be the end of the trail.
Who else is Z150>L552 except the Beaugrand?
===
I am hesitant to order a FullY.
Does FullGenome [https://www.fullgenomes.com/] offer reductions at some moment of the year?
And will I learn something significant?

Pigmon
11-16-2014, 05:25 PM
Good questions,

Perhaps Richard will answer.

Additionally, I am wondering if I should take the L552 SNP test. (I just e-mailed Steve Gilbert to ask if I should take this test).

Is it downstream from Z150/Z12222 and possible to be positive for me?


My current level of testing: R1b1a2a1a2b1c1 U152, L2, Z49, Z142 and Z12222 positive (L20- L196-, L562-, and CTS9490-)

Regards,
Curtis

Pigmon
11-16-2014, 05:49 PM
Jacques,

ISOGG says this:


"S7402/Z12222 are downstream of Z142, approximate with Z150, unknown relationship with L562. Listed 5 December 2013."

Curtis

Pigmon
11-17-2014, 03:26 PM
[QUOTE=Pigmon;58772]
CurtisPiedmont: You write *L552 is on the FTDNA yDNA haplotree*
https://my.familytreedna.com/y-dna-haplotree/

Yes I know, but it cannot be the end of the trail.
Who else is Z150>L552 except the Beaugrand?
===
I am hesitant to order a FullY.
Does FullGenome [https://www.fullgenomes.com/] offer reductions at some moment of the year?
And will I learn something significant?

Jacques,

I just ordered L552. I will let you know the results as soon as they come in.

Curtis

Pigmon
01-20-2015, 03:08 PM
[QUOTE=Pigmon;58772]
CurtisPiedmont: You write *L552 is on the FTDNA yDNA haplotree*
https://my.familytreedna.com/y-dna-haplotree/

Yes I know, but it cannot be the end of the trail.
Who else is Z150>L552 except the Beaugrand?
===
I am hesitant to order a FullY.
Does FullGenome [https://www.fullgenomes.com/] offer reductions at some moment of the year?
And will I learn something significant?

Jacques,

I just got the result of my R-L552 test and it is negative.

The order for this was placed before I decided to order Big Y. Now I am waiting for the results!

Regards,
Curtis

Shamash
01-22-2015, 12:39 PM
Hi everybody here, my Italian maternal y-line is U152> L2> Z49> Z142> Z12222+ and I've seen that sample NA20812 (Tuscans in Italy) is classified as R-CTS9490* which is downstream from Z150/Z12222. Unfortunately CTS9490 is not available at FTDNA. Does anybody know if a group admin already requested it and if yes when it will be available? Regards, Marco

beaugrandjacques
01-24-2015, 03:39 AM
Marc,
SNP CTS9490 is available at YSEQ.net for 35$
I was tested ancestral for CTS9490

Jacques Beaugrand

MitchellSince1893
01-24-2015, 03:43 AM
Hi everybody here, my Italian maternal y-line is U152> L2> Z49> Z142> Z12222+ and I've seen that sample NA20812 (Tuscans in Italy) is classified as R-CTS9490* which is downstream from Z150/Z12222. Unfortunately CTS9490 is not available at FTDNA. Does anybody know if a group admin already requested it and if yes when it will be available? Regards, Marco

You might also order another SNP downstream of Z12222+:
SNP FGC12382 at YSEQ. http://www.yseq.net/product_info.php?products_id=3086

Shamash
01-25-2015, 12:37 PM
Hi, thank you for your suggestions but unfortunately I've got only the DNA-sample stored at FTDNA and my cousin was were hard to persuade to deliver any sample at all. I think it's better to wait and save my money for BigY!

beaugrandjacques
02-05-2015, 02:21 PM
Just received my results from the YFull interpretation service (Big-Y). I am their id: YF02680 (new) on their Tree.

+YSC0000123 level R-S7402
+ PF606 level R-S7402
+ Z6731 level R-S7402
+ PF1156 level R-S7402
+ S7402 level R-S7402

Jacques

MitchellSince1893
02-05-2015, 09:20 PM
Just received my results from the YFull interpretation service (Big-Y). I am their id: YF02680 (new) on their Tree.

+YSC0000123 level R-S7402
+ PF606 level R-S7402
+ Z6731 level R-S7402
+ PF1156 level R-S7402
+ S7402 level R-S7402

Jacques
Oh that's you on the tree.. I was thinking it might be Curtis Pigmon.

Pigmon
02-07-2015, 09:05 PM
Oh that's you on the tree.. I was thinking it might be Curtis Pigmon.

Nope. I haven't ordered an interpretation yet.

What does it tell you?

MitchellSince1893
02-08-2015, 01:10 AM
Like fgc analysis it helps identify your truly novel snps. ftdna novel snp list includes many false positives. Mine has 108 novel snps on ftdna. FGC identified 23. Yfull identified 22. Together they identified 28 high quality/acceptable SNPs. Yfull also has a u152 group you can join, enabling you to see other members' results.
It also gives you 300+ STRs. You can also look at all of your snps to see various information about them.

Bottom line is yfull and FGC analysis of your bigy helps you maximize understanding of your test.

beaugrandjacques
02-08-2015, 01:15 AM
Nothing new.

Shamash
03-06-2015, 08:51 PM
Hi folks, I made a SNP request and just received this from FTDNA:

"Dear Group Administrator,

We’ve added your SNP CTS9490 at position 18928795 to our catalog and it is now available for order through the Advanced Tests section of the customer's myFTDNA page.

Thank you for your contribution."

I will order it right away! :)

Pigmon
03-08-2015, 09:20 PM
Glad you are a member of our little group! I tested CTS9490 and am negative. Tested my Big Y after that and the results are still Z150/Z12222+ so I am now Z150/Z122222*.

Over the years I have noticed a lot of GD 4,5 etc in the Alps including Austria, France, Germany, Italy.

Good luck with your tests.

Curtis

MitchellSince1893
03-30-2015, 03:53 PM
Nothing new.

Congrats Jacques,

I see you now have another member of the L553,14834642,22467553 branch of Z150/Z12222.

184173 John Greenwell 1625 - 1658

beaugrandjacques
03-30-2015, 09:04 PM
There are 37/111 absolute differences between the Greenwell and Beaugrand signatures (#31300).
I calculated the TMRCA using the McDonald calculator at http://dna-project.clan-donald-usa.org/tmrca.htm

I used a mutation rate of 0.0026 (Suggested for 111 markers).
The results indicate that with a probability of 95% (5 chances over 100 to be wrong in stating that) the TMRCA is situated before the 74th generation.

At 31 years per generation it corresponds to ~ 2263 years.

I also made the TMRCA calculation using the SNP Big-Y.
Greenwell and I share 26,146 SNPs and we differ on 4 (CTS11841 CTS3810 L552 PR7595)

If I give 10 million as the number of markers (as suggested by the author of the calculator) with a difference of 4 SNPs
a mutation rate of 0.82 x 10e-9 [as estimated by HELGASOB, A. et al. (2015) The Y-chromosome misses the point mutation in Humans. Nature Genetics (2015) doi: 10.1038 / ng.3171 ] the cumulative probability of 95.3% is reached at the 56th generation; 31 years per generation makes 1736 years ago.

This suggests -as a first approximation - that TMRCA would be in the range between 31 and 74 generations (bet 1736 and 2263 years), obviously with quite a large confidence interval over this range.

Salve!

Jacques Beaugrand

Shamash
05-28-2015, 11:26 PM
Hi folks, I made a SNP request and just received this from FTDNA:

"Dear Group Administrator,

We’ve added your SNP CTS9490 at position 18928795 to our catalog and it is now available for order through the Advanced Tests section of the customer's myFTDNA page.

Thank you for your contribution."

I will order it right away! :)

Just received my CTS9490 results for kit E14371: it's CTS9490-

So only FGC12378 remains to test which is also not available at FTDNA at the moment! :(

MitchellSince1893
05-29-2015, 12:33 AM
Just received my CTS9490 results for kit E14371: it's CTS9490-

So only FGC12378 remains to test which is also not available at FTDNA at the moment! :(

Remember it's FGC12378 et al. This branch includes FGC12378, FGC12379, FGC12380, FGC12381, and FGC12382.

FGC12382 is available at YSEQ http://www.yseq.net/product_info.php?products_id=3086


Just noticed yseq has one of my private/novel SNPs for sale (Currently mine is the only test positive for this SNP). FGC12400 http://www.yseq.net/product_info.php?products_id=7755

delegz
05-29-2015, 04:41 AM
Remember it's FGC12378 et al. This branch includes FGC12378, FGC12379, FGC12380, FGC12381, and FGC12382.

FGC12382 is available at YSEQ http://www.yseq.net/product_info.php?products_id=3086

Any idea why someone would have chosen to have YSEQ make FGC12382 in particular available for testing, and not FGC12378, FGC12379, FGC12380, or FGC12381 ?

Thanks

MitchellSince1893
05-29-2015, 04:33 PM
Any idea why someone would have chosen to have YSEQ make FGC12382 in particular available for testing, and not FGC12378, FGC12379, FGC12380, or FGC12381 ?

Thanks
No idea unless it's easier to make a test for FGC12382 vs the others?

Pigmon
05-29-2015, 07:11 PM
Any idea why someone would have chosen to have YSEQ make FGC12382 in particular available for testing, and not FGC12378, FGC12379, FGC12380, or FGC12381 ?

Thanks

I think that was my order before I decided to do the Big Y. Just chose the FGC12382 as a "wish an snp" feature that yseq has. Thinking that if it were positive then possibly the FGC12378, FGC12379, FGC12380, or FGC12381 would also be positive. As it turned out they were all negative for me.

MitchellSince1893
01-17-2016, 04:12 AM
Glad you are a member of our little group! I tested CTS9490 and am negative. Tested my Big Y after that and the results are still Z150/Z12222+ so I am now Z150/Z122222*.

Over the years I have noticed a lot of GD 4,5 etc in the Alps including Austria, France, Germany, Italy.

Good luck with your tests.

Curtis

Hey Curtis, Just noticed you are no longer alone on the U152 Y-DNA Classic page.


216783 Joseph Hobbs, born ca 1775, Somersetshire, England England R-U152

Does he share any downstream SNPs with you?

Pigmon
01-17-2016, 11:04 PM
Hey Curtis, Just noticed you are no longer alone on the U152 Y-DNA Classic page.



Does he share any downstream SNPs with you?

Yeah, I don't feel so lonesome any more! lol
I can't find his Z49/Z142/Z150 neg or pos in here.

Joseph Hobbs, born ca 1775, Somersetshire, England

CTS4244+, CTS11985+, CTS12478+, CTS2664+, CTS3063+, CTS3358+, CTS3575+, CTS3654+, F1209+, M89+, M9+, M94+, P128+, P131+, P132+, P133+, P134+, P135+, P136+, P138+, P139+, P14+, P140+, P141+, P143+, P145+, P146+, P148+, P149+, P151+, P157+, P158+, P159+, P160+, P161+, P163+, P166+, P187+, P207+, P224+, P225+, P226+, P228+, P229+, P230+, P231+, P232+, P233+, P234+, P235+, P236+, P237+, P238+, P239+, P242+, P243+, P244+, P245+, P280+, P281+, P282+, P283+, P284+, P285+, P286+, P294+, P295+, P297+, P310+, P311+, P312+, P316+, F3692+, F719+, F82+, L11+, L132+, F313+, L138+, L15+, L150+, L151+, L16+, L468+, L470+, L482+, L483+, L498+, L500+, L506+, L51+, L52+, L23+, L265+, L278+, L350+, L389+, L407+, L585+, L747+, L752+, L754+, L761+, L768+, L773+, L779+, L82+, M168+, M173+, M207+, M213+, M235+, M269+, M294+, M299+, M306+, M343+, M415+, M42+, M45+, M526+, M74+, PF2591+, PF2608+, PF2611+, PF2615+, PF2747+, PF2748+, PF2749+, PF2770+, PF5869+, PF5871+, PF5882+, PF5886+, PF5888+, PF5953+, PF5956+, PF5957+, PF5964+, PF5965+, PF5982+, PF6246+, PF6249+, PF6250+, PF6263+, PF6270+, PF6271+, PF6272+, PF6409+, PF6425+, PF6430+, PF6432+, PF6434+, PF6438+, PF6463+, PF6494+, PF6495+, PF6498+, PF6500+, PF6506+, PF6507+, PF6509+, PF6524+, U152+, V241+, V250+, PAGES00026+, PAGES00081+, PAGES00083+, PF3561+, PF4367-, PF257-, YSC0000002-, YSC0000075-, YSC0000082-, YSC0000191-, YSC0000207-, YSC0000224-, YSC0000225-, YSC0000269-, YSC0000288-, Z143-, Z145-, Z146-, Z148-, Z149-, Z192-, Z194-, Z259-, Z276-, Z367-, Z37-, Z38-, Z44-, Z46-, Z48-, Z51-, Z52-, Z54-, Z57-, Z65-, Z72-, PF6610-, PF6658-, PF7600-, PF7610-, PF7623-, s3-, S42-, PF6520-, PF6464-, PF6469-, PF6470-, PF6477-, PF6479-, PF6063-, PF6145-, PF331-, M75-, L671-, L408-, L466-, L4-, L552-, L562-, L196-, L20-, L144-, F3372-, L135-, F3799-, F3916-, F4205-, F47-, P329-, P37-, P61-, F1230-, F1398-, F1643-, F1947-, F1948-, F1993-, F2083-, F2229-, F2421-, CTS3866-, CTS3936-, CTS4069-, CTS3409-, CTS3413-, CTS3080-, CTS319-, CTS2687-, CTS2752-, CTS278-, CTS1640-, CTS188-, CTS2376-, CTS10009-, CTS10641-, CTS10834-, CTS10855-, CTS11022-, CTS11232-, CTS11381-, CTS11712-, CTS11874-, CTS4333-, CTS4521-, CTS468-, CTS5029-, CTS5153-, CTS5330-, CTS5478-, CTS5481-, CTS5531-, CTS5689-, CTS623-, CTS6286-, CTS6452-, CTS6524-, CTS667-, CTS6854-, CTS6911-, CTS6942-, CTS6975-, CTS7013-, CTS7193-, CTS7325-, CTS7491-, CTS7542-, CTS7618-, CTS7925-, CTS7958-, CTS7970-, CTS8125-, CTS8137-, CTS8178-, CTS8492-, CTS8516-, CTS8684-, CTS8845-, CTS8949-, CTS9044-, CTS9193-, F1036-

I could lend "some" credence to common ancestry with Hobbs as there is a curious reference to Somersetshire as "Taunton, where I now dwell" mentioned in a will of my 5th great-grandfather who lived in Maryland. Taunton is in Somersetshire although I have not found a positive connection there.

MitchellSince1893
01-18-2016, 05:55 AM
Here is a national breakdown of the 31 Z150/Z12222 I could place.


Spain: N131388 HG01777
France: N132405 211664 B5886 31300 7735
England: 216783 203575 N28922 207883 1370 N115212 174343 249822 268283 184173 8642 B6542 HG00244
Italy: E14371 N121088 N128565 E14371 NA20812
Dutch: GoNLx2
Swiss: N129582
Scotland: 232800 N3392
Wales: 256072


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There was another one that was listed as German, but he matched a person with the same last name from Scotland, so I left him out.

N2458 George Phillips, b. approx 1778 Germany R-Z150
81200 David Philip/Phillips b 1815 Inverness Scotland Scotland R-M269

Because of the US heavy testing, I think the true numbers for Z150/Z12222 would have higher percentages of non British nationalities.

beaugrandjacques
01-18-2016, 06:34 AM
Were the following included?
Humberto J. Vidaillet Jr. (originally from France and later Cuba)
Mr. Charles Lincoln (English)
Scott Bendell (?English)
Mr. James Greenwell (?English)

Salve!

MitchellSince1893
01-18-2016, 07:53 AM
Were the following included?
Humberto J. Vidaillet Jr. (originally from France and later Cuba)
Mr. Charles Lincoln (English)
Scott Bendell (?English)
Mr. James Greenwell (?English)

Salve!
B5886=Vidaillet
184173=Greenwell
174343=James Lincoln (I only included 1 representative per surname, so I didn't include Charles)

I couldn't find 399543 Scott Bendell in the U152 project, but on the BigTree he isn't shown as Z150. He's shown as FGC22963 so he's not included.

Pigmon
01-18-2016, 01:49 PM
"Because of the US heavy testing, I think the true numbers for Z150/Z12222 would have higher percentages of non British nationalities.Because of the US heavy testing, I think the true numbers for Z150/Z12222 would have higher percentages of non British nationalities."


The other problem is the paper trail genealogy. Even though our family was always said to be an "old" French family I cannot find the direct link of our ancestors in France. The same spelling "Pigmon" is there however so I have listed my origins at times as Correze, France and sometimes Norfolk, England although the hard proof has not yet been found.

I suppose if all the genealogies could be completed most would be France if you could go back to before William the conqueror. I will keep looking though!