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MRlL2ZstCrgjc394o
04-02-2021, 03:40 PM
Hi,

I've recently taken a test through 23andme and found the result to be quite peculiar. Consequently, I've uploaded my raw file to GEDMatch so as to make some sense out of it. I'd like to remain anonymous, therefore I've taken out the kit number.

I was told that I'm Turkish all my life, but some of these results seem to paint a bit different picture. Any help would be much appreciated. Please find my results below:

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 37.8
2 West_Asian 22.24
3 West_Med 14.25
4 Red_Sea 6.54
5 Baltic 4.32
6 Sub-Saharan 3.5
7 North_Atlantic 3.3
8 Northeast_African 3.26
9 East_Asian 1.78
10 Siberian 1.45
11 South_Asian 0.89
12 Oceanian 0.68

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Lebanese_Muslim 6.64
2 Syrian 8.36
3 Cyprian 8.41
4 Jordanian 10.93
5 Assyrian 11.57
6 Lebanese_Druze 11.8
7 Lebanese_Christian 11.85
8 Samaritan 11.9
9 Kurdish_Jewish 11.95
10 Iranian_Jewish 12.07
11 Palestinian 12.9
12 Turkish 12.91
13 Tunisian_Jewish 13.65
14 Georgian_Jewish 14.09
15 Libyan_Jewish 14.14
16 Sephardic_Jewish 15.22
17 Algerian_Jewish 15.49
18 Armenian 16.14
19 Italian_Jewish 16.47
20 Bedouin 16.58

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Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 37.09
2 West_Asian 22.85
3 West_Med 9.99
4 Red_Sea 6.59
5 Baltic 4.23
6 Atlantic 3.92
7 Northeast_African 3.65
8 Sub-Saharan 3.43
9 North_Sea 2.61
10 Southeast_Asian 1.58
11 Eastern_Euro 1.45
12 Siberian 1.27
13 South_Asian 0.96
14 Oceanian 0.38

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Lebanese_Muslim 6.59
2 Syrian 8.31
3 Cyprian 9.21
4 Assyrian 10.2
5 Iranian_Jewish 11.2
6 Kurdish_Jewish 11.38
7 Jordanian 11.62
8 Turkish 11.98
9 Lebanese_Christian 12.29
10 Samaritan 12.72
11 Georgian_Jewish 12.85
12 Lebanese_Druze 13.22
13 Tunisian_Jewish 13.37
14 Palestinian 13.84
15 Armenian 14.39
16 Libyan_Jewish 14.57
17 Sephardic_Jewish 14.63
18 Azeri 14.81
19 Italian_Jewish 15.73
20 Algerian_Jewish 15.75

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Dodecad K12b Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 43.13
2 Southwest_Asian 15.78
3 Atlantic_Med 12.87
4 Gedrosia 9.45
5 North_European 4.62
6 East_African 3.51
7 Northwest_African 3.18
8 Sub_Saharan 2.73
9 East_Asian 2.73
10 Siberian 1.44
11 South_Asian 0.55

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Lebanese (Behar) 8.8
2 Turkish (Dodecad) 10.34
3 Druze (HGDP) 10.92
4 Turks (Behar) 10.92
5 Cypriots (Behar) 11.54
6 Syrians (Behar) 13.03
7 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 13.04
8 Jordanians (Behar) 13.59
9 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 13.69
10 Iraq_Jews (Behar) 14.27
11 Assyrian (Dodecad) 14.3
12 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 14.31
13 Armenian (Dodecad) 15.1
14 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 15.18
15 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 15.26
16 Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) 15.79
17 Palestinian (HGDP) 15.95
18 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 16.76
19 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 17.49
20 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 17.86

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Dodecad K7b Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Southern 37.7
2 West_Asian 36.84
3 Atlantic_Baltic 14.74
4 African 5.98
5 Siberian 2.13
6 East_Asian 2.05
7 South_Asian 0.56

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Lebanese (Behar) 7.85
2 Syrians (Behar) 7.9
3 Cypriots (Behar) 10.38
4 Druze (HGDP) 11.09
5 Jordanians (Behar) 11.12
6 Turkish (Dodecad) 11.64
7 Turks (Behar) 12.42
8 Palestinian (HGDP) 12.56
9 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 14.87
10 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 15.95
11 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 15.97
12 Assyrian (Dodecad) 16.02
13 Armenian (Dodecad) 16.06
14 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 16.19
15 Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) 17.47
16 Armenians (Behar) 17.5
17 Iraq_Jews (Behar) 17.54
18 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 17.73
19 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 18.38
20 Bedouin (HGDP) 19.64

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MDLP K16 Modern Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 48.35
2 Neolithic 18.74
3 Steppe 7.55
4 NearEast 6.75
5 Indian 5.42
6 Subsaharian 3.02
7 EastAfrican 2.94
8 NorthAfrican 1.89
9 Australian 1.77
10 Siberian 1.6
11 NorthEastEuropean 1.18
12 Amerindian 0.47
13 Oceanic 0.15
14 Ancestor 0.12
15 SouthEastAsian 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turk (Adana) 7.37
2 Cypriot (Cyprus) 7.64
3 Armenian (Lebanon) 7.79
4 Turk (Kayseri) 8.31
5 Lebanese_Christian (Lebanon) 8.44
6 Armenian (Armenia) 8.46
7 Lebanese_Muslim (Lebanon) 8.65
8 Lebanese (Lebanon) 8.67
9 Armenian (Erzrum) 8.93
10 Armenian (Gavar) 8.95
11 Jew (Syria) 8.99
12 Armenian (Yegvard) 9
13 Armenian (Chambarak) 9.02
14 Armenian (Vanatur_Hrazdan) 9.15
15 Armenian (Yerevan) 9.18
16 Greek (Azov) 9.22
17 Jew (Azerbaijan) 9.24
18 Armenian (Dprabak) 9.28
19 Assyrian (Iran) 9.57
20 Armenian (Martuni) 9.58

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 82% Cypriot (Cyprus) + 18% Iranian (Bandari) @ 4.93
2 84.8% Cypriot (Cyprus) + 15.2% Pashtun (Afghanistan) @ 5.09
3 88.2% Cypriot (Cyprus) + 11.8% Jatt (Haryana) @ 5.13
4 65.7% Cypriot (Cyprus) + 34.3% Azeri (Azerbaijan) @ 5.17
5 84.6% Cypriot (Cyprus) + 15.4% Pashtun (Afganistan) @ 5.18
6 89.1% Cypriot (Cyprus) + 10.9% Kashmiri_Pandit (Kashmir) @ 5.22
7 71.5% Cypriot (Cyprus) + 28.5% Azerbaijani_Dagestan (Azerbaijan_Dagestan) @ 5.22
8 88.9% Cypriot (Cyprus) + 11.1% Pathan (Punjab) @ 5.22
9 87.2% Cypriot (Cyprus) + 12.8% Makrani (Pakistan) @ 5.23
10 89.9% Cypriot (Cyprus) + 10.1% Burusho (Pakistan) @ 5.27
11 87.2% Cypriot (Cyprus) + 12.8% Pashtun (Pakistan) @ 5.27
12 84% Cypriot (Cyprus) + 16% Rushanvanch (Gorno-Badakhshan) @ 5.29
13 85.4% Cypriot (Cyprus) + 14.6% Ishkasim (Gorno-Badakhshan) @ 5.29
14 88.7% Armenian (Lebanon) + 11.3% Sardinian (Sardinia) @ 5.29
15 90% Cypriot (Cyprus) + 10% Brahmin (India) @ 5.29
16 88.4% Cypriot (Cyprus) + 11.6% Balochi (Baluchistan) @ 5.29
17 88.4% Cypriot (Cyprus) + 11.6% Brahui (Baluchistan) @ 5.3
18 84.7% Cypriot (Cyprus) + 15.3% Tajik (Pomiri_Tajikistan) @ 5.3
19 89.9% Cypriot (Cyprus) + 10.1% Gujjar (Punjab) @ 5.32
20 81.7% Cypriot (Cyprus) + 18.3% Yaghnobi (Zarafshan ) @ 5.34

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MDLP World-22 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West-Asian 31.81
2 Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 27.44
3 Near_East 23.89
4 North-East-European 5.92
5 Sub-Saharian 3.36
6 Pygmy 1.6
7 East-Siberean 1.57
8 South-America_Amerind 1.05
9 Indo-Tibetan 1.03
10 South-African 0.87
11 Indian 0.78
12 Arctic-Amerind 0.47
13 North-European-Mesolithic 0.21
14 East-South-Asian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Jew_Syria (derived) 7.37
2 Cypriot (derived) 8.59
3 Lebanese (derived) 8.63
4 Druze (derived) 10.69
5 Syrian (derived) 10.71
6 Greek_Cretan (derived) 11.14
7 Turk (derived) 12.24
8 Jew_Tunisia (derived) 12.43
9 Iraqi (derived) 12.59
10 Jew_Morocco (derived) 12.81
11 Jew_Algeria (derived) 12.95
12 Jew_Italia (derived) 13.39
13 Jew_Georgia (derived) 13.61
14 Sephardim (derived) 13.65
15 Jew_Libya (derived) 13.67
16 Greek_Azov (derived) 14.4
17 Jew_Francestrale (derived) 14.52
18 Ashkenazim (derived) 15.13
19 Jordanian (derived) 15.19
20 Jew_Iraqi (derived) 16.15

Wes345
04-02-2021, 03:45 PM
You seem closer to Lebanese and Syrians than other Turks.

Magnetic
04-02-2021, 03:47 PM
are you from hatay or somewhere close ?

MRlL2ZstCrgjc394o
04-02-2021, 03:57 PM
I'm from Northern Cyprus, the de facto state in Cyprus.

Tomenable
04-02-2021, 04:09 PM
Have you tried Eurogenes K36 too?

MRlL2ZstCrgjc394o
04-02-2021, 04:17 PM
Have you tried Eurogenes K36 too?

Population
Amerindian -
Arabian 3.05 Pct
Armenian 7.8 Pct
Basque 2.58 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro -
East_African -
East_Asian 0.86 Pct
East_Balkan 2.86 Pct
East_Central_Asian 1.73 Pct
East_Central_Euro -
East_Med 21.32 Pct
Eastern_Euro -
Fennoscandian -
French -
Iberian -
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 14.72 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 17.68 Pct
North_African 0.91 Pct
North_Atlantic -
North_Caucasian 5.06 Pct
North_Sea -
Northeast_African 4.95 Pct
Oceanian 0.16 Pct
Omotic 0.72 Pct
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian 0.12 Pct
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African 2.18 Pct
West_Caucasian 12.18 Pct
West_Med 1.12 Pct

23abc
04-02-2021, 04:38 PM
Your result seems normal for a Turkish Cypriot, albeit with a shift towards the Iran & Caucasus. Around what percentage Cypriot did you score on 23andMe and what other categories did you score along with it?

XXD
04-02-2021, 04:48 PM
I'm from Northern Cyprus, the de facto state in Cyprus.

There are two states in Cyprus, and one of them is recognized by very few countries. Like most Turkish Cypriots, you are genetically most similar to Greek Cypriots, and vice versa.

Johnny ola
04-02-2021, 05:35 PM
Nothing weird.You have Cypriot like results!!!

MRlL2ZstCrgjc394o
04-02-2021, 05:46 PM
Your result seems normal for a Turkish Cypriot, albeit with a shift towards the Iran & Caucasus. Around what percentage Cypriot did you score on 23andMe and what other categories did you score along with it?

Northern West Asian 74.4%
> Cypriot 50.3%
> Iranian, Caucasian & Mesopotamian 15.5%
> Anatolian 2.5%
> Broadly Northern West Asian 6.1%

Arab, Egyptian & Levantine 25.3%
> Levantine 11.3%
> Egyptian 10.4%
> Broadly Arab, Egyptian & Levantine 3.6%

23abc
04-02-2021, 05:58 PM
Northern West Asian 74.4%
> Cypriot 50.3%
> Iranian, Caucasian & Mesopotamian 15.5%
> Anatolian 2.5%
> Broadly Northern West Asian 6.1%

Arab, Egyptian & Levantine 25.3%
> Levantine 11.3%
> Egyptian 10.4%
> Broadly Arab, Egyptian & Levantine 3.6%

Interesting. I'm not too familiar with what Turkish Cypriots score on 23andMe. I've only seen some posted online and the ones that posted were scoring close to 90% Cypriot. Do your results look like the rest of your Turkish Cypriot relatives? Your result actually looks like it could be 50% Cypriot + 50% Palestinian/Syrian Muslim but maybe it's normal for the area your ancestry is from? Any close matches from unexpected areas?

Johnny ola
04-02-2021, 06:42 PM
For some reason you score ssa/african admixture.No idea from where exactly it is coming from.Might be from slave-trade or something during Ottoman times.

Alkaevli
04-02-2021, 07:29 PM
Not an extraordinary results for a Turkish Cypriot. Turkish Cypriots on average have some Ottoman-era Anatolian Turkish (as evident from East Eurasian admixture) and African (from slave trade?) admixture that seperates them from Greek Cypriots. Overall, they are closest to Greek Cypriots and vice versa.

https://abload.de/img/cyprus2acuj.png

Andrewid
04-03-2021, 01:15 PM
Northern West Asian 74.4%
> Cypriot 50.3%
> Iranian, Caucasian & Mesopotamian 15.5%
> Anatolian 2.5%
> Broadly Northern West Asian 6.1%

Arab, Egyptian & Levantine 25.3%
> Levantine 11.3%
> Egyptian 10.4%
> Broadly Arab, Egyptian & Levantine 3.6%



These are nothing like my 23and me results which show 99.8% Cypriot for me. The Cyprus category soaks up everything. And I'm a pretty typical Cypriot Greek, be it slightly Aegean shifted.

Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots are very close autosomally as others have said, though Turkish Cypriots do show a low % of Turkic and North African uniparental markers (absent in Greek Cypriots sampled) according to a recent study.

Let's look at how you compare to me on Eurogenes K13:

1 Cyprian 4.99
2 Sephardic_Jewish 8.38
3 Lebanese_Muslim 8.65
4 Tunisian_Jewish 9.03
5 Algerian_Jewish 9.87
6 Italian_Jewish 9.98
7 Libyan_Jewish 10.08
8 South_Italian 10.52
9 Syrian 10.78
10 Samaritan 12.15
11 East_Sicilian 12.6
12 Lebanese_Christian 12.71
13 Ashkenazi 13.09
14 Central_Greek 13.39
15 Lebanese_Druze 13.6

And on the updated spreadsheet via Vahaduo, we see the following:
https://i.imgur.com/id7efUV.png

This via AdmixtureStudio:

https://i.imgur.com/bro5a7R.png

Look how I'm closer to the Turkish Cypriot average than even to the Greek one!

I tried to enter your coordinates on Vahaduo Eurogenes K13 updated (I assumed your Amerindian was zero) and got this:
https://i.imgur.com/GuSV9Rg.png


The other thing that comes out of this (which I have seen confirmed on Eurogenes K36 and G25 and various PCAs) is the closeness of most Cypriots to Dodecanesians. This on G25 for me:
https://i.imgur.com/iTSrifv.png


Your K36 similarity maps (considered antiquated by some, but still useful) are interesting in that they do confirm your closest proximity to Cyprus. Outside the island, your closest hit is to Trabzon (both Turks and Greeks, who like Cypriots, are practically identical to each other) and then to the Dodecanese. You don't fit into the Mediterranean genetic continuum as well as I do if you compare our results to southern Italy- heat map detecting common deep ancestry. There's something in your ancestry pulling you away from this.

MRIL K36 Europe:
https://i.imgur.com/c0hCpEV.png

MRIL K36 Asia:

https://i.imgur.com/hOiAV2B.png

MRIL K36 Africa, Americas & Australasia:
https://i.imgur.com/St7W63O.png

Compare these to mine:
https://i.imgur.com/NWrGgyj.png
https://i.imgur.com/RL4kcvj.png
https://i.imgur.com/ItvlYUV.png

It's a pity we can't currently get your G25 coordinates. Do you know of any recent ancestry from outside of Cyprus?


Not an extraordinary results for a Turkish Cypriot. Turkish Cypriots on average have some Ottoman-era Anatolian Turkish (as evident from East Eurasian admixture) and African (from slave trade?) admixture that seperates them from Greek Cypriots. Overall, they are closest to Greek Cypriots and vice versa.

https://abload.de/img/cyprus2acuj.png

From which calculator are these? In your experience, do the majority of Turkish Cypriots have a small percentage of sub-Saharan? I do know some Turkish Cypriots in London with recent African antecedents (the Sudan mainly), and this is attributed to the slave trade as you correctly theorise. They even have a group on social media. I also know of a few Greek Cypriots from around the Episkopi area with sub-Saharan admixture.

23abc
04-03-2021, 01:49 PM
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The few Greek Cypriots I match on 23andMe score 100% Cypriot or 99+% Cypriot + <1% SSA. The few Turkish Cypriot results I've seen posted around scored mostly Cypriot with a small percentage of Anatolian (probably ancestry from Turkey). But the sample size was pretty small so after OP showed results that were quite different I was curious if OP's are actually normal after all.

Mentioned here, was the topic of the small amounts of SSA. There is some sort of debate about whether or not 23andMe turns Levantine with SSA in it into the 'Egyptian' category or not. Christians in the Levant score 100% Levant while the Muslims score a mix of Levant & Egyptian, and also Iranian & Caucasus. I still believe that if the admixture came from slave trade it would appear as something like 'Sudanese' on 23andMe, not Egyptian. Since the OP didn't score any separate SSA categories and rather Egyptian this looks very similar to what Muslims from the Levant area scored. Perhaps there was a recent ancestor from there, did you score any 'recent ancestor locations' other than ones on Cyprus/Anatolia?

Only the OP can know if if result is normal or not anyways, there are always unique cases of admixture which can differ town by town.

1/4 of my mother's ancestry comes from a town in the Dodecanese that on 23andMe can score up to 90% WANA (Cypriot + Anatolian mix). The other towns even ones close on the other hand score normal 23andMe results (50/50 Italian/WANA mainly). I'm mentioning this because people forget that every place is unique. There are places in the world that can score very different results to their neighbors due to isolation and founder effects. For whether or not OP's results are normal can only be figured out by himself by looking at the relatives from the same area as him.

Hahns
04-11-2021, 11:34 PM
Nice results