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AlfonsoVIII
04-15-2021, 08:56 AM
Finally A8053 has been found in ancient archaeological remains!

Archaeological remains I7043 and I7041 (https://haplotree.info/maps/ancient_dna/index.php?searchcolumn=Object_ID&searchfor=I7043&ybp=500000,0), found at the Hungarian site of Szigetszentmiklós-Üdül belonging to the Proto-Nagyrév culture and dated around 2100 BC, have tested positive for R-A8053*.

I7041 and I7043 are the remains of two male brothers who inhabited the north of present-day Hungary during the Late Copper or Early Bronze Age, and correspond to the initial period of the Nagyrév culture, considered an extension of the Yamnaya culture into the Carpathian Basin. Previously I7041 and I7043 had been tested as R-L151*, but new results have yielded a deeper clade, turning out to be A8053*, which makes I7041 and I7043 the first archaeological remains, and for now the only ones, to test positive for A8053.

The fact that these two A8053 samples (descendants of L151 as we know) have been found in that region and dated to a time when other branches of L151, such as P312, had already reached Western Europe centuries earlier, suggests that A8053 did not take the same route to the west as P312, but must have taken the same route as its brothers U106 and especially S1194, first towards the Baltic Sea environment and from there to Western Europe centuries later.

129 ancient samples (https://indo-european.eu/2021/04/y-dna-of-129-high-quality-shotgun-ancient-samples/)

Kanenas
04-15-2021, 11:16 AM
What do you think about what Olalde had written?


The observations made at Szigetszentmiklós-Üdülősor, namely the buried vessel depot
of eight intact vessels from the Feature 779, the graves containing bodies in an unusual
position forming a distinct cluster at the edge of the cemetery, separate from the Bell
Beaker–Csepel burial ground, the grave pottery deposited with the mouth downward
suggest that the individuals belonging to proto- (early) Nagyrév community were
presumably treated as “enemies”.

AlfonsoVIII
04-15-2021, 04:27 PM
What do you think about what Olalde had written?

I don't know what to think. A simple enemy is not such an elaborate burial. He is thrown into a grave, without any furnishings, or his remains are burned, or anything else that is not complicated. They may have been individuals hostile to this community, but I doubt they were mere enemies. In fact, the idea of possible victims of a sacrifice fits me more.

By the way, could you show me the link from Olalde et al.?

Kanenas
04-15-2021, 05:31 PM
I don't know what to think. A simple enemy is not such an elaborate burial. He is thrown into a grave, without any furnishings, or his remains are burned, or anything else that is not complicated. They may have been individuals hostile to this community, but I doubt they were mere enemies. In fact, the idea of possible victims of a sacrifice fits me more.

By the way, could you show me the link from Olalde et al.?

I hope the link works (It is a link to the supplementary information, see pages 134 - 137)
https://static-content.springer.com/esm/art%3A10.1038%2Fnature25738/MediaObjects/41586_2018_BFnature25738_MOESM2_ESM.pdf

If the link above doesn't work check here https://www.nature.com/articles/nature25738