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capsian
05-27-2021, 11:47 PM
hello all members please if you have information about this clan tell us about this tribe and thank you

E-PF2431
Ceklinjani-Alimpijevci su rod koji čine Ralevići iz Kaludre u Vasojevićima, Đuričani iz Đuričke Rijeke kod Plava i grupa bratstava iz Velike koja se naziva Ceklinjanima. Navedena bratstva slave Alimpijevdan i svojataju se međusobno, kao i sa Hadrovićima iz Bihora, a prema predanju svi su od Đuraškovića od ceklinskih Gornjaka. Međutim, za ovo predanje se ispostavilo da je netačno jer je za Gornjake utvrđeno da pripadaju I2 haplogrupi, dok Hadrovići pripadaju G2a haplogrupi. Po svemu sudeći, ovaj rod je proistekao od starosedelačkog stanovništva iz Ceklinske Župe.
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Kelmendasi
06-04-2021, 06:24 PM
The Alimpijevići are a smaller brotherhood or group of families which hail from the tribal territory of Ceklin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceklin), which itself belongs to the ethnographic region of Old Montenegro (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Montenegro) in the south-east of the country. According to their oral traditions, the Alimpijevići maintain that they belong to the larger Gornjaci brotherhood which dominates Ceklin and claims origin from the Albanian Kelmendi through a certain Leka who married the widow of the chieftain of the Piperi, Radivoj Liješević, and settled in their present territory. From this union a certain Krstić was born, and from him came the two sons Lješ (from the Albanian anthroponym Lesh/Llesh) and Vulić who would be the progenitors of the Gornjaci. Leka also adopted the son of Radivoj Liješević who was named Vukosav and also had two sons; Bajo and Grujica who would become the ancestors of the Donjaci. The Alimpijevići claim that they descend from Lješ through his son Đuraš Lješević (Đuraškovići).

However, it is also clear that the Alimpijevići are not paternally of the same stock as the bulk of the Gornjaci who are I2a-Y3120 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-Y3120/). It is possible that they represent an older brotherhood that was adopted by the expanding and growing Gornjaci, or they could have arrived later incorporating themselves into the already established Gornjaci. Likewise the Gornjaci (and Alimpijevići) themselves are not related to the bulk of the Kelmendi who are E-BY105970 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-BY105970/) despite what is suggested by the oral traditions.

capsian
06-06-2021, 10:42 PM
The Alimpijevići are a smaller brotherhood or group of families which hail from the tribal territory of Ceklin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceklin), which itself belongs to the ethnographic region of Old Montenegro (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Montenegro) in the south-east of the country. According to their oral traditions, the Alimpijevići maintain that they belong to the larger Gornjaci brotherhood which dominates Ceklin and claims origin from the Albanian Kelmendi through a certain Leka who married the widow of the chieftain of the Piperi, Radivoj Liješević, and settled in their present territory. From this union a certain Krstić was born, and from him came the two sons Lješ (from the Albanian anthroponym Lesh/Llesh) and Vulić who would be the progenitors of the Gornjaci. Leka also adopted the son of Radivoj Liješević who was named Vukosav and also had two sons; Bajo and Grujica who would become the ancestors of the Donjaci. The Alimpijevići claim that they descend from Lješ through his son Đuraš Lješević (Đuraškovići).

However, it is also clear that the Alimpijevići are not paternally of the same stock as the bulk of the Gornjaci who are I2a-Y3120 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-Y3120/). It is possible that they represent an older brotherhood that was adopted by the expanding and growing Gornjaci, or they could have arrived later incorporating themselves into the already established Gornjaci. Likewise the Gornjaci (and Alimpijevići) themselves are not related to the bulk of the Kelmendi who are E-BY105970 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-BY105970/) despite what is suggested by the oral traditions.

thanks you do you have any infotmatoin about this clan