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LUKE33
04-11-2014, 03:49 PM
Just wondered if there are any J1c5a individuals amongst the forum members ?

I share HVR1 & HVR2 with a Polish woman who has carried out the full-mtDNA test and she is J1c5a.

The other 3 individuals I match with all have Russian ancestry.

LUKE33
04-11-2014, 07:51 PM
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/J-mtDNA/default.aspx?section=mtresults

Just looked at mtDNA j project at FTDNA - I see 8 j1c5a individuals.

Agamemnon
04-11-2014, 08:31 PM
I'm plain J1c5.

LUKE33
04-11-2014, 08:58 PM
I'm plain J1c5.

http://www.dnahaplogroups.org/phylogeneticTree.php?view=mt&hap=J&l=n&__atoken=__NONE__

Rathna
04-11-2014, 10:01 PM
This is a sample of J1c5:
AY495199(European) Coble Haplogroup [J1c5] 07-JAN-2008
A73G G185A G228A A263G C295T 315.1C C462T T489C A750G A1438G A2706G G3010A T4216C A4769G T4838C A5198G C7028T A8860G A9100G A10398G A11251G G11719A A12612G G13708A C14766T T14798C A15326G C15452A C16069T T16126C
With these mutations in HVRI and II there are more than 200 samples on SMGF, overwhelgmingly Scandinavian with a diffusion both to Westwards and Eastwards, but these two samples in very isolate and mountainous places of Sardinia and Calabria (Lucia Felicina BOE b. Bitti, Nuoro, Italy and Maria LOMBARDO b. 10 Aug 1876 Cropani, Calabria, Italy) would need other deep inquires.
Of course these HVRI and II may be many subclades of J1c.
And how can you say that your HVRI and II point to J1c5? But if you have 23andMe something more we could know, because it tests for the SNP of J1c5:

MT-ND2 5198 i3002222 A or G
A Francesca Guarino
not genotyped Gioiello Tognoni
A Giorgio Tognarelli
A Monica De Conti
A Silvana Vagelli
A Velthur Tognoni

LUKE33
04-11-2014, 10:14 PM
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And how can you say that your HVRI and II point to J1c5? But if you have 23andMe something more we could know, because it tests for the SNP of J1c5:



Yes, 23andme has me as J1c5a

LUKE33
04-12-2014, 10:05 AM
Also.....

If you visit : http://www.dnahaplogroups.org/phylogeneticTree.php?view=mt&hap=J&l=n&__atoken=__NONE__

You'll notice , that J1c5a has two coding region mutations :

J1c5a : 2387, 10192

I uploaded the text version of my mtDNA raw data results from 23andme to James Lick's site : http://dna.jameslick.com/mthap/

And the best match is J1c5a.

Rathna
04-12-2014, 10:15 AM
Also.....

If you visit : http://www.dnahaplogroups.org/phylogeneticTree.php?view=mt&hap=J&l=n&__atoken=__NONE__

You'll notice , that J1c5a has two coding region mutations :

J1c5a : 2387, 10192

I uploaded the text version of my mtDNA raw data results from 23andme to James Lick's site : http://dna.jameslick.com/mthap/

And the best match is J1c5a.

Of course, and if you published your 23andMe results, we could know, even though they aren't complete, if you are linked more to one Russian ancestress or to one Calabrian one.

LUKE33
04-12-2014, 10:17 AM
Of course, and if you published your 23andMe results, we could know, even though they aren't complete, if you are linked more to one Russian ancestress or to one Calabrian one.

All my matches are from north-eastern Europe.

Little bit
04-12-2014, 01:58 PM
@ LUKE33:

That link you posted is pretty old in haplogroup years, says it was last revised in 2011. Here is the most current link to the Phylotree, dated February 2014:
http://PhyloTree.org/tree/subtree_R.htm

J1c5 is one of the J subclades that is more common among Ashkneazi Jew's but it is not a founder mutation for them, it was absorbed from surrounding communities. You said your mtdna matches are Polish and Russians, do they indicate they Ashkenazi or not? It might be interesting to discover if J1c5 is perhaps linked to Baltic Europe or if it was brought there by Ashkenazi Jews.
http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2013/131008/ncomms3543/full/ncomms3543.html

LUKE33
04-12-2014, 02:04 PM
@ LUKE33:

That link you posted is pretty old in haplogroup years, says it was last revised in 2011. Here is the most current link to the Phylotree, dated February 2014:
http://PhyloTree.org/tree/subtree_R.htm

J1c5 is one of the J subclades that is more common among Ashkneazi Jew's but it is not a founder mutation for them, it was absorbed from surrounding communities. You said your mtdna matches are Polish and Russians, do they indicate they Ashkenazi or not? It might be interesting to discover if J1c5 is perhaps linked to Baltic Europe or if it was brought there by Ashkenazi Jews.
http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2013/131008/ncomms3543/full/ncomms3543.html

To the best of my knowledge my J1c5a matches do not have Jewish ancestry.

LUKE33
04-12-2014, 02:35 PM
@ Little bit

Marker path from rCRS to haplogroup J1c5a ( plus extra markers ):

H2a2a1(rCRS) ⇨ 263G ⇨ H2a2a ⇨ 8860G 15326G ⇨ H2a2 ⇨ 750G ⇨ H2a ⇨ 4769G ⇨ H2 ⇨ 1438G ⇨ H ⇨ 2706G 7028T ⇨ HV ⇨ 14766T ⇨ R0 ⇨ 73G 11719A ⇨ R ⇨ 4216C ⇨ R2'JT ⇨ 11251G 15452A 16126C ⇨ JT ⇨ 295T 489C 10398G 12612G 13708A 16069T ⇨ J ⇨ 462T 3010A ⇨ J1 ⇨ (185A) (228A) 14798C ⇨ J1c ⇨ 5198G ⇨ J1c5 ⇨ 2387C 10192T ⇨ J1c5a ⇨ 9053A 16230G ( my extra markers )

Also looking at : http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2013/131008/ncomms3543/fig_tab/ncomms3543_F9.html

I can see only one Ashkenazi branch off J1c5 whereas my J1c5a is labelled Europe.

seferhabahir
04-12-2014, 04:05 PM
Also looking at : http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2013/131008/ncomms3543/fig_tab/ncomms3543_F9.html

I can see only one Ashkenazi branch off J1c5 whereas my J1c5a is labelled Europe.

Don't know about J1c5, but the light blue box hanging from the right off of J1c7a1a is from my results, and my twenty three FTDNA J1c7a matches are typically Ashkenazi. Yet to find an exact full sequence match, though. I have one who is a GD 1, but never responded to inquiries.

Little bit
04-12-2014, 08:07 PM
@ seferhabahir:

Interesting that you have no exact matches. Are you Ashkenazi? I was under the impression that Jewish individuals tended to get an abundance of matches due to the bottleneck and cultural practices.

My J1c3i is Pennsylvania Dutch, likely Mennonites however I cannot trace it very far due to their tendency to live off the grid (don't show up on censuses), and I have 3 exact FMS matches. My matches are another Pennsylvania Dutch (can't find a common ancestor), Switzerland, and Yugoslavia. My mtdna has not even been added to FTDNA, though it was part of the Sept 2012 Phylotree update, and my J1c3i mutations show up as extras.

@ LUKE33:

Are your results for Lick's mtdna analysis tool good or imperfect? Sometimes there can be more than one number (1)'s which can sometimes be informative. Eventually as more people in the world are tested and more samples are added to Genbank, our subclades will be further clarified. In addition, it's best not to get too attached to the nomenclature of your mtdna: I tested in 2009 and was given J1a*, then J1c3 in 2010, and J1c3i in 2012. I also have an extra and mismatch with my FMS result and I expect someday I will get yet another subclade designation.

Here is my results as well as my Genbank submission. Everyone who tests, and especially my fellow J's, please consider submitting your results to Genbank to further our knowledge about mtdna J.:beerchug:

Marker path from rCRS to haplogroup J1c3i (plus extra markers):
H2a2a1(rCRS) ⇨ 263G ⇨ H2a2a ⇨ 8860G 15326G ⇨ H2a2 ⇨ 750G ⇨ H2a ⇨ 4769G ⇨ H2 ⇨ 1438G ⇨ H ⇨ 2706G 7028T ⇨ HV ⇨ 14766T ⇨ R0 ⇨ 73G 11719A ⇨ R ⇨ 4216C ⇨ R2'JT ⇨ 11251G 15452A 16126C ⇨ JT ⇨ 295T 489C 10398G 12612G 13708A 16069T ⇨ J ⇨ 462T 3010A ⇨ J1 ⇨ (185A) (228A) 14798C ⇨ J1c ⇨ 13934T ⇨ J1c3 ⇨ 5442C 15758G ⇨ J1c3i ⇨ (309.1C) (315.1C) 12858T

My FMS results:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/nuccore/KF600657

Here is the link to DIY your own submission to Genbank if you have taken the Full Mitochondrial Sequence from FTDNA:
http://www.ianlogan.co.uk/checker/submission_maker.htm

LUKE33
04-12-2014, 08:21 PM
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@ LUKE33:

Are your results for Lick's mtdna analysis tool good or imperfect? Sometimes there can be more than one number (1)'s which can sometimes be informative. Eventually as more people in the world are tested and more samples are added to Genbank, our subclades will be further clarified. In addition, it's best not to get too attached to the nomenclature of your mtdna: I tested in 2009 and was given J1a*, then J1c3 in 2010, and J1c3i in 2012. I also have an extra and mismatch with my FMS result and I expect someday I will get yet another subclade designation.



Marker path from rCRS to haplogroup J1c5a ( plus extra markers ):

H2a2a1(rCRS) ⇨ 263G ⇨ H2a2a ⇨ 8860G 15326G ⇨ H2a2 ⇨ 750G ⇨ H2a ⇨ 4769G ⇨ H2 ⇨ 1438G ⇨ H ⇨ 2706G 7028T ⇨ HV ⇨ 14766T ⇨ R0 ⇨ 73G 11719A ⇨ R ⇨ 4216C ⇨ R2'JT ⇨ 11251G 15452A 16126C ⇨ JT ⇨ 295T 489C 10398G 12612G 13708A 16069T ⇨ J ⇨ 462T 3010A ⇨ J1 ⇨ (185A) (228A) 14798C ⇨ J1c ⇨ 5198G ⇨ J1c5 ⇨ 2387C 10192T ⇨ J1c5a ⇨ 9053A 16230G ( my extra markers )

Only the markers in red were not tested - so J1c5a is accurate call.

seferhabahir
04-13-2014, 03:16 AM
@ seferhabahir:

Interesting that you have no exact matches. Are you Ashkenazi? I was under the impression that Jewish individuals tended to get an abundance of matches due to the bottleneck and cultural practices.



Yes, that is why the box is colored light blue in the Nature Communications paper. In FTDNA's Population Finder, I am 100% Jewish with 0.01% margin of error. We'll see what it says in the revised version. I have an abundance of Family Finder matches (over 3,000) because of the bottlenecked DNA and endogamous culture, but I have one or two rare mtDNA markers that probably cause me to have no exact full sequence matches to date.

Gray Fox
04-13-2014, 06:33 AM
All of my matches at the fms are British or German. Mostly British though.

Cryfder
04-14-2014, 05:57 PM
J1c5a here!

LUKE33
04-14-2014, 06:54 PM
J1c5a here!

Welcome !

I assume you have German ancestry ? ( flag )

Your J1c5a status is from 23andme or from FTDNA's full mtdna test ?

Cryfder
04-16-2014, 01:47 AM
Yes I do have German Ancestry! It was from 23andme.

LUKE33
04-16-2014, 07:23 AM
Yes I do have German Ancestry! It was from 23andme.

Ok - could you please tell us if you have the extra markers - 9053A 16230G

Visit : http://dna.jameslick.com/mthap/ then follow the directions for 23andme customers.

Thanks again.

( German ancestry on your mother's side of the family ? )

Cryfder
04-17-2014, 06:45 PM
Ok - could you please tell us if you have the extra markers - 9053A 16230G

Visit : http://dna.jameslick.com/mthap/ then follow the directions for 23andme customers.

Thanks again.

( German ancestry on your mother's side of the family ? )Only on my mothers fathers side. There is no German ancestry on my mothers, mothers side, as far as I know.

LUKE33
04-17-2014, 06:47 PM
Only on my mothers fathers side. There is no German ancestry on my mothers, mothers side, as far as I know.

Ok - could you check to see if you have the extra markers.

Gray Fox
05-08-2014, 06:01 AM
Anyone else getting frequent mtdna matches? I seem to get new hvr1, hvr2 and FGS matches weekly.

Agamemnon
06-29-2014, 11:40 PM
J1c5 is a perfect match for me, then come J1c5e and J1c5b... Interesting, to say the least.

Humanist
06-29-2014, 11:48 PM
Just wondered if there are any J1c5a individuals amongst the forum members ?

I share HVR1 & HVR2 with a Polish woman who has carried out the full-mtDNA test and she is J1c5a.

The other 3 individuals I match with all have Russian ancestry.

Some additional data from Pala et al. (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3376494/)


J1c5a Europe East Ukraine
J1c5a Europe West Spain
J1c5a Europe West Newfoundland


J1c5 is a perfect match for me, then come J1c5e and J1c5b... Interesting, to say the least.

Some data from Pala et al. for you too. :)


J1c5 Central Asia Siberia
J1c5 Central Asia Yakutia
J1c5 Europe West Italy
J1c5 Indian Subcontinent India
J1c5 Europe West Spain
J1c5 USA USA
J1c5 USA USA
J1c5 Europe East Ukraine (Ashkenazi Jew)

AndreyS
10-26-2014, 12:12 PM
J1c5a here - Ryazan region, Russia

rmh1934
11-14-2014, 05:01 PM
My mtDNA as determined through National Geographic Genome is J1C5A1 . I live in Newfoundland Canada. My gggGrandmother was born near Trinity, Newfoundland ca1830 and her family very likely was from the Poole Area in England. When they relocated to Newfoundland I don't know but was probably in the early 17 hundreds.

AndreyS
02-25-2015, 08:07 PM
J1C5a Russia

HVR2: 73G 263G 295T 489C (523G)
CR: 750G 1438G 2387C 2706G 3010A 4216C 4769G 5198G 7028T 8860G 10398G 11251G 11719A 12612G 13708A 14766T 14798C 15452A
HVR1: 16069T 16126C

more detailed raw data is available

Dougie
04-15-2015, 07:11 AM
Hi~

My Mother was born in Newfoundland 1916. We believe my Mother was born out of wedlock in Bonne Bay, Newfoundland. I am a J1c5a. We want to know who her birth Mother was. Her birth Mother died in 1918 of the influenza. After that, no one talked about her. She was buried at the Belveder Cemetary. She died on October 24, 1918. She was 32 when she died. My grandfather was Jewish, however, I am almost positive my Grandmother was not Jewish. I am so hoping there is a connection somewhere and we can find out more information. My grandfather was Otto Sidel and my Mother was Dorothy. Thank you.

Paige
06-10-2015, 12:02 AM
I am a J1c5a! I just received my maternal haplogroup from 23andMe, and I am trying to make sense of it. But that is all I know for sure. I do not have a lot beyond that since I was adopted.

Paige
06-10-2015, 12:13 AM
Right here too

Paige
06-12-2015, 09:37 PM
So...being new to this. I am a J1c5a also....does this mean that I am connected to those 8 people also? If so, how do I connect with them or locate them? Any help understanding some this would be greatly appreciated. I am not on FTDNA...I did DNA through 23andMe which seems like a mistake, as it does not connect very well.

holmesr923
08-27-2015, 12:33 PM
I know I am J 1 c5 but how do I find out if I am J1 c5a? My dna also tells me I am 18% Ashkenazi while Luke 33 thinks that Ashkenazi took a dip in the dna pool around them/
2 What does HVR mean.I am a beginners and cannot find to how read these codes

Luna Moth
10-02-2015, 04:58 AM
Hi. According to the Genographic Project I'm J1C5A. My mother's family came from eastern Germany, around Berlin. I have one HVR1 match, and they are from Stuttgart, Germany. According to AncestryDNA.com, I'm less than 2% European Jewish.

mzloretta
02-08-2016, 02:00 AM
I'm new to all of this, but I've done a lot of family tree work. I'm a J1c5a1 haplogroup lass. My people are heavily from the British Isles: England and Ireland and then Norway. My maternal line for the United States goes back to the second boat after the Mayflower at Plymouth Rock. Everybody pretty much stayed in the South for the next 15 generations. My paternal line is from County Cork, Ireland to West Virginia ... about 5 generations back.

100% European: 63% British Isles, 33% Scandinavia and 4% Southern Europe. I don't understand the mutations yet.

mzloretta
02-09-2016, 09:05 PM
My maternal line for the United States goes back to the second boat after the Mayflower at Plymouth Rock. Everybody pretty much stayed in the South for the next 15 generations. My paternal line is from County Cork, Ireland to West Virginia ... about 5 generations back.


Oops, that's Jamestown, VA not Plymouth Rock. No Yankee blood. My ancestors just scolded me.;)

Lynnette1897
05-02-2016, 10:35 PM
I am J1c5a1 - my ancestry being primarily British and Norwegian/Swedish

Agamemnon
10-23-2016, 02:25 AM
I noticed last night that J1c1b1a was found both in Sintashta (RISE386 from Bulanovo) and in Corded Ware (I1539 from Esperstedt), this is interesting since Sintashta is thought to descend from the Abashevo culture which was part of the CW horizon on the forest steppe. So how is this relevant to J1c5 you might ask, well, it's relevant because we have two other CW samples from Esperstedt, I1538 and I1540, which were J1c5, these two individuals also carried Y-DNA haplogroup R1a, much like the aforementioned sample from Sintashta which was R1a-Z2125. At this stage, I'd say we're bound to find J1c5 in Sintashta and/or Andronovo, this would certainly explain J1c5's presence in the Indian subcontinent and in Siberia, so an association between J1c5 and CW is looking more and more plausible. In turn, J1c5's presence in a BB sample from Quedlinburg could be interpreted as either (1) the result of interaction between CW and BB or (2) J1c5 predating both CW and BB in the area.

kingjohn
10-23-2016, 03:53 PM
also this lady hungary 5000 bc
Tiszadob-Bukk Hungary Polgar-Ferenci-hat F 5211-5116 BC

[I]J1c5 73G, 185A, 228A, 263G, 295T, 750G, 2706G, 3010A, 4216C, 4769G, 7028T, 8860G, 10398G, 11251G, 11719A, 14766T, 15326G, 16069T, 16126C Gamba 2014; Mathieson 2015

http://www.ancestraljourneys.org/europeanneolithicdna.shtml
regards
Adam

this mtdna type is ancient in europe :)

Agamemnon
10-23-2016, 05:31 PM
Odds are J1c initially arrived in Europe during the Neolithic (and followed the Danubian route), as is obvious judging from the sample you're referring to, which happens to be the oldest J1c5 sample we know of... In fact, this also part of the reason why I find an association with CW and Sintashta compelling, because we know that CW/Sintashta had EEF admixture and so the most parsimonious explanation as to why markers usually found in EEFs such as J1c1b1a and J1c5 ended up in Central Asia and in the Indian subcontinent is via Sintashta.

Pappy
11-14-2016, 03:46 AM
I'm plain J1c5.

Me too.

jmbaxter02
01-12-2017, 04:22 PM
I'm also J1c5a1 and I did my mtDNA test through DNA Ancestry Project. My results don't give me exact results, but rather they state what I "most likely" am, as far as heritage. From the tests gathered from others, it appears that my heritage comes from Slovenia or Croatia. Did you find your info from Ancestry dot com, as far as the more recent family members? I feel like I'm getting nowhere with my searches and my family has little to no documents or info! :(

mimi
05-04-2017, 04:08 PM
I'm also plain J1c5

Cabal65
06-06-2017, 03:35 AM
I'm also a J1c5a. My mothers family is from Scotland.

greateridea
06-06-2017, 09:23 PM
To the best of my knowledge my J1c5a matches do not have Jewish ancestry.



I have the J1c5a haplogroup as made evident through ftDNA, however, I have lots of Jewish ancestry. According to ftDNA I am from the Mizrachi aka Middle Eastern Jews, the Sephardim aka Spanish Jews and the Ashkenazi aka Western Germanic Jews. The haplogroup may not be a founder of Jewish ancestry but it sure goes back far. It wouldn't surprise me if Moses himself was J1c5. My mother's side of the family are practicing Orthodox and Reform Jews.:amen:

Maximus
06-07-2017, 07:10 PM
I'm also a J1c5a. My mothers family is from Scotland.

my clade is J1c5a*(xJ1c5a1)

and what your deep clade for J-M241?

Cabal65
06-08-2017, 09:29 PM
my clade is J1c5a*(xJ1c5a1)

and what your deep clade for J-M241?I know its the L283

Cabal65
06-09-2017, 02:39 AM
my clade is J1c5a*(xJ1c5a1)

and what your deep clade for J-M241?My deep clade for J-M241 is J-Z1043 and further it is J-Y32998

Cabal65
06-12-2017, 10:41 PM
Trying to understand what this means
1) J1c5a1
Defining Markers for haplogroup J1c5a1:
HVR2: 73G (185A) (228A) 263G 295T 462T 489C
CR: 750G 1438G 2387C 2706G 3010A 4216C 4769G 5198G 7028T 8860G 10192T 10398G 10598G 11251G 11719A 12612G 13708A 14766T 14798C 15326G 15452A
HVR1: 16069T 16126C
Marker path from rCRS to haplogroup J1c5a1:
H2a2a1(rCRS) ⇨ 263G ⇨ H2a2a ⇨ 8860G 15326G ⇨ H2a2 ⇨ 750G ⇨ H2a ⇨ 4769G ⇨ H2 ⇨ 1438G ⇨ H ⇨ 2706G 7028T ⇨ HV ⇨ 14766T ⇨ R0 ⇨ 73G 11719A ⇨ R ⇨ 4216C ⇨ R2'JT ⇨ 11251G 15452A 16126C ⇨ JT ⇨ 295T 489C 10398G 12612G 13708A 16069T ⇨ J ⇨ 462T 3010A ⇨ J1 ⇨ (185A) (228A) 14798C ⇨ J1c ⇨ 5198G ⇨ J1c5 ⇨ 2387C 10192T ⇨ J1c5a ⇨ 10598G ⇨ J1c5a1
Imperfect Match. Your results contained differences with this haplogroup:
Matches(26): 73G (228A) 263G 295T 489C 750G 1438G 2387C 2706G 3010A 4216C 4769G 5198G 7028T 8860G 10398G 10598G 11251G 11719A 12612G 13708A 14766T 14798C 15452A 16069T 16126C
Untested(3): 185 462 10192 15326

AndreyS
06-15-2017, 02:30 PM
J1C5a, Russian Federation


Defining Markers for haplogroup J1c5a:
HVR2: 73G (185A) (228A) 263G 295T 462T 489C
CR: 750G 1438G 2387C 2706G 3010A 4216C 4769G 5198G 7028T 8860G 10192T 10398G 11251G 11719A 12612G 13708A 14766T 14798C 15326G 15452A
HVR1: 16069T 16126C

Marker path from rCRS to haplogroup J1c5a (plus extra markers):
H2a2a1(rCRS) ⇨ 263G ⇨ H2a2a ⇨ 8860G 15326G ⇨ H2a2 ⇨ 750G ⇨ H2a ⇨ 4769G ⇨ H2 ⇨ 1438G ⇨ H ⇨ 2706G 7028T ⇨ HV ⇨ 14766T ⇨ R0 ⇨ 73G 11719A ⇨ R ⇨ 4216C ⇨ R2'JT ⇨ 11251G 15452A 16126C ⇨ JT ⇨ 295T 489C 10398G 12612G 13708A 16069T ⇨ J ⇨ 462T 3010A ⇨ J1 ⇨ (185A) (228A) 14798C ⇨ J1c ⇨ 5198G ⇨ J1c5 ⇨ 2387C 10192T ⇨ J1c5a ⇨ (523G)

Imperfect Match. Your results contained differences with this haplogroup:
Matches(24): 73G 263G 295T 489C 750G 1438G 2387C 2706G 3010A 4216C 4769G 5198G 7028T 8860G 10398G 11251G 11719A 12612G 13708A 14766T 14798C 15452A 16069T 16126C
Mismatches(0): (228G)
Extras(0): (523G)
Untested(3): 185 462 10192 15326

Litz
06-20-2017, 03:03 AM
My mother and I are both J1c5. She tested FTDNA FMS. Our farthest back ancestor was born in Germany in 1839 with given last name of Muller/Mueller.

Her J1c5 kit has 0 exact, and 0 genetic distance of 1 matches. She only has one GD of 2 match - with the ancestor from Russia. She has 13 GD of 3 matches, with ancestors in: Ukraine, Russia, Netherlands, Germany, and Scandinavia.

alysa
06-22-2017, 08:30 PM
I'm J1c5a - my direct maternal ancestors are from the Quantocks area of Somerset (UK) going back on my mother line 6 generations.

alysa
06-22-2017, 08:36 PM
I'm J1c5a - my direct maternal ancestors are from the Quantocks area of Somerset (UK) going back on my mother line 6 generations.
The surnames I have are Perry, Porter, Stone, Chamberlain, Nation, White, Blackwell (and I believe Hunt, Cross, Slade - but have less evidence for the last three).

Agamemnon
07-01-2017, 12:53 AM
also this lady hungary 5000 bc
Tiszadob-Bukk Hungary Polgar-Ferenci-hat F 5211-5116 BC

[I]J1c5 73G, 185A, 228A, 263G, 295T, 750G, 2706G, 3010A, 4216C, 4769G, 7028T, 8860G, 10398G, 11251G, 11719A, 14766T, 15326G, 16069T, 16126C Gamba 2014; Mathieson 2015

http://www.ancestraljourneys.org/europeanneolithicdna.shtml
regards
Adam

this mtdna type is ancient in europe :)

It seems that this sample no longer is the most ancient J1c5 sample. Lepe41 (from Lepenski Vir) seems to be slightly older:

"Here, we utilised the chronological schema used by Bori´c & Price (94 ) and further simplified it to form
four groups of the individuals to be studied from the Danube Gorges (with the assistance of Prof.
Sofija Stefanovi´c): Early to Middle Mesolithic (∼9,500-7,400 cal BC; 3 Lepenski Vir individuals),
Late Mesolithic (∼7,400-6,200 cal BC; burials from Lepenski Vir are missing from this period),
Transition (∼6,200-6,000/5,950 cal BC; 17 Lepenski Vir individuals) and Neolithic (∼6,000/5,950-
5,500 cal BC; 12 Lepenski Vir individuals) (see Table 1).

[...]

Table 13: Haplogroups of ancient Balkan individuals assigned to the Neolithic period (∼6,000/5,950-5,500
cal BC). Local and non-local group assignments were based on interpretations of 87Sr/86Sr isotope ratio in
Bori´c & Price (94).

[...]

Lepe41 Lepenski Vir 86 unknown J1c5 100 178.69 12 100 - 99.79"


Source (https://publications.ub.uni-mainz.de/theses/volltexte/2017/100001355/pdf/100001355.pdf)

Naz
09-05-2017, 04:26 PM
Just wondered if there are any J1c5a individuals amongst the forum members ?

I share HVR1 & HVR2 with a Polish woman who has carried out the full-mtDNA test and she is J1c5a.

The other 3 individuals I match with all have Russian ancestry.

Hey Luke, I have J1C5A also!

halfalp
05-04-2018, 10:20 AM
Hello, recently test J1c5a here ! So i'm pretty interested in this post, i saw multiple times " german ancestry " and although i'm swiss my maternal grand-mother came from Dresde. So i could i actually know where my mother came from, if she is related with some polish or russian women as i read ? Thanks all ! Also, my mother is christian and she always wonder if she could have some jewish origin, is J1c5a a known jewish marker ? like for exemple german or russian ashkenazi ? 23andme doesn't give me any jewish ancestry for what i know.

Agamemnon
07-28-2018, 12:09 AM
J1c5 has been found in two Funnelbeaker samples from Anserve (on the island of Gotland). (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/322864532_New_insights_on_cultural_dualism_and_pop ulation_structure_in_the_Middle_Neolithic_Funnel_B eaker_culture_on_the_island_of_Gotland) This ties in rather well with the presence of J1c5 in CW and derived horizons (chiefly Sintashta) as the Funnelbeaker culture might well be in part responsible for the EF ancestry in CW, there are many elements suggesting continuity between the two cultures (even though CW definitely arose on the steppe), many have even surmised than the non-IE substratum in Germanic is ultimately tied to the Funnelbeaker culture. So the working assumption is that J1c5 initially arrived in Europe with early Anatolian farmers following the Danubian route before expanding northwards throughout East-Central Europe, it probably spread in Southern Scandinavia with the Funnelbeaker culture, it seems to have subsequently reexpanded with Corded Ware during the Bronze Age which explains its presence in Sintashta, the Wusun and present-day Yakuts.

And in case you were still wondering: No, J1c5 isn't a typically Jewish or Ashkenazi lineage.

halfalp
08-08-2018, 03:17 AM
J1c5 has been found in two Funnelbeaker samples from Anserve (on the island of Gotland). (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/322864532_New_insights_on_cultural_dualism_and_pop ulation_structure_in_the_Middle_Neolithic_Funnel_B eaker_culture_on_the_island_of_Gotland) This ties in rather well with the presence of J1c5 in CW and derived horizons (chiefly Sintashta) as the Funnelbeaker culture might well be in part responsible for the EF ancestry in CW, there are many elements suggesting continuity between the two cultures (even though CW definitely arose on the steppe), many have even surmised than the non-IE substratum in Germanic is ultimately tied to the Funnelbeaker culture. So the working assumption is that J1c5 initially arrived in Europe with early Anatolian farmers following the Danubian route before expanding northwards throughout East-Central Europe, it probably spread in Southern Scandinavia with the Funnelbeaker culture, it seems to have subsequently reexpanded with Corded Ware during the Bronze Age which explains its presence in Sintashta, the Wusun and present-day Yakuts.

And in case you were still wondering: No, J1c5 isn't a typically Jewish or Ashkenazi lineage.

Hey thanks to respond. I also saw a Neolithic sample from like the Wallachian Plain that was J1c5. That Funnelbeaker context is very interesting, weren't they not HG's learning Farming? J1c5 is clearly a neolithic lineage from EEF people, maybe if it was found in Funnelbeaker and in Sintashta, Funnelbeaker is a link with the " EEF " that we found in CWC and related cultures?

XXXLEANDROXXX
09-11-2018, 10:12 PM
J1c5a here..!

Just got MtDNA full sequence results from FTDNA.
Two exact matches; Russian Federation & Poland.
However, my most recent known maternal ancestor: St. Cruz de Tenerife, Canary Islands -Spain (circa: 1840's).
Rest of my family is Spanish; Madrid, Asturias, Catalan & Canary Islands.
Curious of the circumstance..?!?!

sanfo44
09-12-2018, 04:36 PM
I'm J1C5C1

vukasden
01-05-2019, 06:36 PM
Can anyone help me to decipher this?

1) J1c5a1

Defining Markers for haplogroup J1c5a1:
HVR2: 73G (185A) (228A) 263G 295T 462T 489C
CR: 750G 1438G 2387C 2706G 3010A 4216C 4769G 5198G 7028T 8860G 10192T 10398G 10598G 11251G 11719A 12612G 13708A 14766T 14798C 15326G 15452A
HVR1: 16069T 16126C

Marker path from rCRS to haplogroup J1c5a1 (plus extra markers):
H2a2a1(rCRS) ⇨ 263G ⇨ H2a2a ⇨ 8860G 15326G ⇨ H2a2 ⇨ 750G ⇨ H2a ⇨ 4769G ⇨ H2 ⇨ 1438G ⇨ H ⇨ 2706G 7028T ⇨ HV ⇨ 14766T ⇨ R0 ⇨ 73G 11719A ⇨ R ⇨ 4216C ⇨ R2'JT ⇨ 11251G 15452A 16126C ⇨ JT ⇨ 295T 489C 10398G 12612G 13708A 16069T ⇨ J ⇨ 462T 3010A ⇨ J1 ⇨ (185A) (228A) 14798C ⇨ J1c ⇨ 5198G ⇨ J1c5 ⇨ 2387C 10192T ⇨ J1c5a ⇨ 10598G ⇨ J1c5a1 ⇨ 65D 191D 299I 459D 2074I 2156D 2405D 4317I 5537D 5752D 7471D 8281D 8286D

Imperfect Match. Your results contained differences with this haplogroup:
Matches(21): 73G (228A) 263G 295T 462T 489C 1438G 2387C 2706G 3010A 5198G 7028T 8860G 10192T 10398G 10598G 11251G 11719A 12612G 16069T 16126C
Flips(1): 15452T
Extras(13): 65D 191D 299I 459D 2074I 2156D 2405D 4317I 5537D 5752D 7471D 8281D 8286D
Untested(7): 185 750 4216 4769 13708 14766 14798 15326

JoeyP37
01-05-2019, 07:13 PM
Hey, wait a minute. I am J1c2b and also have a flip of 15452T from the Lick predictor. Perhaps it is more common and I am not an oddball. J1c is a straightforwardly European subclade of Haplogroup J and is the most common of the subclades among people of European descent. I gather from your Y-haplogroup you are possibly of Scandinavian descent, and J1c is slightly more common among Danes, Norwegians, and people of the British Isles (mine is from Ireland)

vukasden
01-13-2019, 03:07 AM
I don't know my paternal fathers haplogroup. He is a balkan mixture, my grandfather born in Macedonia, however his motherline is from Scotland/UK. The r1a-z284 is my Maternal Grandfather. Interesting. Maternal side come from Bavaria and UK.

Szigmund
07-09-2019, 09:48 AM
According to my LivingDNA test I am J1c5a1.