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Acque agitate
04-14-2014, 10:11 AM
Hello to all,
For a long time I have started a work to determine the subgroups of R-L2 using only the STR.
Now I'm crossing my work with the fantastic work of Richard and I'm finding some interesting confirmations.
The most interesting is the group I.a), which is currently made up of Tyres Olsson (309846) and Matej Soucek (195364) and that in my opinion, is distinguished by:
DYS19 = 15
DYS439 = 11
DYS448 = 17

These STR identify a group that might have a nordic origin and it seems to be made up of:
1) Wolf – D- (E14699);
2) Olson – SWE - (207621);
3) Danielsson – SWE- (195405);
4) Graff – ?- (279342);
5) Dean– UK - (177013);
6) Banks – ?- (37414);
7) Banks – ?- (215250);
8) Komarnicki – Russia- (195719);
9) Davidson – ?- (101539);
10) Uzunov - Bulgaria- (E15955)
11) Hunter - ?- (315653)
12) Girard - Russia- (N8637)
13) Maule - UK - (14125)
14) Doerter- D- (121740)
15) Tomasso - Italia- (N90233)


May also belong to this group (less likely)

16) Henning – SWE- (E14699);
17) French - ?- (186700)
18) Graniel - ?- (N9622)
19) Epperson- ?- (249550)
20) Steinbueck - ?- (258131)
21) Lorentzon - ?- (264772)

I await your opinions.

Soon I will give you references of other groups

Pigmon
04-14-2014, 01:07 PM
Interesting!

Do you have any work on L2+,Z49+,Z142+ at this point?

Curtis

R.Rocca
04-14-2014, 01:36 PM
Hello to all,
For a long time I have started a work to determine the subgroups of R-L2 using only the STR.
Now I'm crossing my work with the fantastic work of Richard and I'm finding some interesting confirmations.
The most interesting is the group I.a), which is currently made up of Tyres Olsson (309846) and Matej Soucek (195364) and that in my opinion, is distinguished by:
DYS19 = 15
DYS439 = 11
DYS448 = 17

These STR identify a group that might have a nordic origin and it seems to be made up of:
1) Wolf – D- (E14699);
2) Olson – SWE - (207621);
3) Danielsson – SWE- (195405);
4) Graff – ?- (279342);
5) Dean– UK - (177013);
6) Banks – ?- (37414);
7) Banks – ?- (215250);
8) Komarnicki – Russia- (195719);
9) Davidson – ?- (101539);
10) Uzunov - Bulgaria- (E15955)
11) Hunter - ?- (315653)
12) Girard - Russia- (N8637)
13) Maule - UK - (14125)
14) Doerter- D- (121740)
15) Tomasso - Italia- (N90233)


May also belong to this group (less likely)

16) Henning – SWE- (E14699);
17) French - ?- (186700)
18) Graniel - ?- (N9622)
19) Epperson- ?- (249550)
20) Steinbueck - ?- (258131)
21) Lorentzon - ?- (264772)

I await your opinions.

Soon I will give you references of other groups

Interesting...so I assume you are thinking that these are the likeliest to belong to the L2+S8183+ group then?

Acque agitate
04-14-2014, 01:53 PM
Interesting...so I assume you are thinking that these are the likeliest to belong to the L2+S8183+ group then?

Richard, I think it is very likely that these people share S12993, ..., 640448 with Soucek and Olson.
I refer to the group down S8183; Squecco is excluded.

As soon as I will have more time I will show other studies.

Acque agitate
02-07-2015, 10:05 PM
An update to this thread.
Today I consulted the group table R1b-U152 in the site FTDNA and I found that it was verified that the following two persons are part of the northern subgroup (as expected and as I considered probable):
13) Maule - UK - (14125);
20) Steinbueck - ?- (258131);

Also I have found that there are two other people who probably belong to the northern subgroup as they meet the three conditions (these two people have registered recently in the group R1b-U152):

22) Kisielnicki - Poland - (N131911)
23) Andersson - Sweden - (315957)

A request to the moderator: You can insert this discussion in the sub forum L2?