An Brazilian L-M349

[Aemilius]

Hi, i'm from Brazil and came out as L-M349 in my DNA test in a local Brazilian company. From what i know from my genealogy, most of my ancestors came from Northern Portugal(Porto and Braga) and from Africa(most probably from the Congo region)with smaller influences from Azores and Amerindians. FTDNA results(from data transfer)gave my SSA ancestry to be around 21%, my 'Caucasian' ancestry around 75% and Amerindian 4%.
From what it seems, L-M349 isn´t a common group among Brazilians so it was a bit of a surprise. Considering my paternal lineage most likely came from Northern Portugal(i do not have many information about this specific line yet, sadly), i expected something like E, R, J or I. I read some posts here and in other places and it became even more confusing. So i came here to try to learn more about my ydna and the possible routes to myself.
If it helps, i will annex here my Morley and Clade Finder results, although it seems the company i tested doesn't go in deep clades.
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I read about a Good family of Swiss origins that do have L-M349 as ydna and thought this was curious cause i have a Swiss(specifically from Bern)genetic group in MyHeritage and some small Central European DNA in FTDNA(around 4%). The connection is impossible though(at least i think it is)but i found it interesting.
Thank you for your time and sorry for any gramatical errors in my text.

[aaronbee2010]

Hi, i'm from Brazil and came out as L-M349 in my DNA test in a local Brazilian company. From what i know from my genealogy, most of my ancestors came from Northern Portugal(Porto and Braga) and from Africa(most probably from the Congo region)with smaller influences from Azores and Amerindians. FTDNA results(from data transfer)gave my SSA ancestry to be around 21%, my 'Caucasian' ancestry around 75% and Amerindian 4%.
From what it seems, L-M349 isn´t a common group among Brazilians so it was a bit of a surprise. Considering my paternal lineage most likely came from Northern Portugal(i do not have many information about this specific line yet, sadly), i expected something like E, R, J or I. I read some posts here and in other places and it became even more confusing. So i came here to try to learn more about my ydna and the possible routes to myself.
If it helps, i will annex here my Morley and Clade Finder results, although it seems the company i tested doesn't go in deep clades.
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I read about a Good family of Swiss origins that do have L-M349 as ydna and thought this was curious cause i have a Swiss(specifically from Bern)genetic group in MyHeritage and some small Central European DNA in FTDNA(around 4%). The connection is impossible though(at least i think it is)but i found it interesting.
Thank you for your time and sorry for any gramatical errors in my text.

There's a Brazillian on YFull who comes under L-FT75930 (downstream of L-M349). Perhaps this is also where you come under?

https://www.yfull.com/live/tree/L-FT75930/

[Artmar]

There is a chance you may probably match a Brazilian person declaring origins from Sao Paulo state, who recently tested and uploaded results to the YFull: https://www.yfull.com/live/tree/L-M349/ (YF85565) but who knows for sure. You need to re-test with either FTDNA or order a full genome sequence and upload to YFull to see where you fall (we can't exclude a possibility that you will match a Cuban or even anyone else in that clade).

[vettor]

Hi, i'm from Brazil and came out as L-M349 in my DNA test in a local Brazilian company. From what i know from my genealogy, most of my ancestors came from Northern Portugal(Porto and Braga) and from Africa(most probably from the Congo region)with smaller influences from Azores and Amerindians. FTDNA results(from data transfer)gave my SSA ancestry to be around 21%, my 'Caucasian' ancestry around 75% and Amerindian 4%.
From what it seems, L-M349 isn´t a common group among Brazilians so it was a bit of a surprise. Considering my paternal lineage most likely came from Northern Portugal(i do not have many information about this specific line yet, sadly), i expected something like E, R, J or I. I read some posts here and in other places and it became even more confusing. So i came here to try to learn more about my ydna and the possible routes to myself.
If it helps, i will annex here my Morley and Clade Finder results, although it seems the company i tested doesn't go in deep clades.
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I read about a Good family of Swiss origins that do have L-M349 as ydna and thought this was curious cause i have a Swiss(specifically from Bern)genetic group in MyHeritage and some small Central European DNA in FTDNA(around 4%). The connection is impossible though(at least i think it is)but i found it interesting.
Thank you for your time and sorry for any gramatical errors in my text.

There is about 3% of haplogroup L ydna in South Tyrol Italy ...........these trentini , like the Veneti and Friuliani migrated to Brazil and Argentina from 1870 ............some numbers say between 500000 and 1 Million over a 40 year period.

Do the person know his ancestors?

[Aemilius]

That clade that my fellow Brazilian fells on certainly is a possibility. Also, buying another test indeed is on my plans, although i fear it will have to wait some time.
As for the Italians with L(from Vettor comment), i´m quite surprised about that 3% in South Tyrol. But i think i do not have any connections with them, as my paternal line is from the countryside of Northeastern Brazil(specially above Pernambuco state)and the European settlers there were mostly of Portuguese origin. I do have roots in the Southeast of my country(being from São Paulo myself), where a lot of Italians came to work in the fields and in the factories but it is entirely on the maternal side of my family.
And again i thank you guys for your opinions, i will test my ydna in FTDNA as soon as i can. I have another question though: how did L enter Europe? It seems that multiple theories exist, yet it looks like we do not have much ancient L people to prove them, so i´m a little bit confused about it.

[tipirneni]

That clade that my fellow Brazilian fells on certainly is a possibility. Also, buying another test indeed is on my plans, although i fear it will have to wait some time.
As for the Italians with L(from Vettor comment), i´m quite surprised about that 3% in South Tyrol. But i think i do not have any connections with them, as my paternal line is from the countryside of Northeastern Brazil(specially above Pernambuco state)and the European settlers there were mostly of Portuguese origin. I do have roots in the Southeast of my country(being from São Paulo myself), where a lot of Italians came to work in the fields and in the factories but it is entirely on the maternal side of my family.
And again i thank you guys for your opinions, i will test my ydna in FTDNA as soon as i can. I have another question though: how did L enter Europe? It seems that multiple theories exist, yet it looks like we do not have much ancient L people to prove them, so i´m a little bit confused about it.

Most probably these L clades are ancient Dravidian expansion into West along the Assur people. You can see localized heavy L among some Zoroastrians, some parts in Lebanon, some parts of Turkey which probably expanded into Europe along Mediterranean. Some clades were also found in Caucausus early on.
https://bharatuntoldstory.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/tumblr_mqgquwilhm1rghicto1_1280.png?w=840

Some of the L migrations probably occurred along with F and H and probably T. Whereas some H show clear indications of ancient North African mix along with some of the recent T people the L people don't seem to have it. Which probably is the H2 and H1 split and spread of H2 along EEF into Europe was much earlier event than the western spread of L.

[tipirneni]

@lupriac missed the point that I was making. The South Asian spread into Europe of H1/H2/F1 is more older after which L clades followed the same direction and later followed the Assyrian expansion and some early Iranian cities which was why they were called Assur

[vettor]

There's a Brazillian on YFull who comes under L-FT75930 (downstream of L-M349). Perhaps this is also where you come under?

https://www.yfull.com/live/tree/L-FT75930/

let this Brazilian know that on Yfull site is a Italian with same haplotype , surname Bergamo ( as per the Lombard city ), who could match ............a lot of ( over 500000 ) Veneti, Friuli, Trentini and Lombards migrated to Brazil and Argentina

[vettor]

Most probably these L clades are ancient Dravidian expansion into West along the Assur people. You can see localized heavy L among some Zoroastrians, some parts in Lebanon, some parts of Turkey which probably expanded into Europe along Mediterranean. Some clades were also found in Caucausus early on.
https://bharatuntoldstory.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/tumblr_mqgquwilhm1rghicto1_1280.png?w=840

Some of the L migrations probably occurred along with F and H and probably T. Whereas some H show clear indications of ancient North African mix along with some of the recent T people the L people don't seem to have it. Which probably is the H2 and H1 split and spread of H2 along EEF into Europe was much earlier event than the western spread of L.

The paper for these L in tyrol area stated specifically they did not come from the middle-east , but from north caucasus area

paper is from 2007

22 August 2007

New genetic evidence supports isolation and drift in the Ladin communities of the South Tyrolean Alps but not an ancient origin in the Middle East

They had to wait until 2 years later to address the K-M9 marker in the paper and its breakup into R1a, R1b, L and T samples ................L and T marker appeared only from 2008 onwards

[ChrisR]

The paper for these L in tyrol area stated specifically they did not come from the middle-east , but from north caucasus area
So you mean:

New genetic evidence supports isolation and drift in the Ladin communities of the South Tyrolean Alps but not an ancient origin in the Middle East
Thomas et al 2007 (https://doi.org/10.1038/sj.ejhg.5201906)

I'm sorry but mtDNA HVS-1, 6 Y-STR markers and 11 Y-SNPs even for the time of publication was low-res and IMHO not useful to allow relevant relatedness conclusions. I personally use the paper just for Y-Haplogoup stats for the Ladin/Tyrol area.

This is the latest Y-Hg Stat I made for the Tyrol area. Indeed we can see in the Ladin/Dolomite area L+T reaches ca. 10% (in yellow uncertain numbers because lack of study resolution)
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My observation or better assumption is that ancient Rhaetia like the Etruscan area had significant influence from the Orient. Both areas are also tied trough usage of the same Alphabet etc.
For Tuscany I have however not seen such levels of L so I assume a slightly different migration probably more on the Adriatic side (modern Veneto) into the Dolomite Alps. The longtime isolation and drift for me is likely ongoing since Roman time (with low German/Slav influence later).
Speaking of the L you see two distinct clusters (Dolomites/Treviso, Gottschee, Janissary AND Switzerland/U.Danube/Slovenia) in https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Alpine_DNA_Project_AlpGen_Genealogy?iframe=yresult s
In North Italy there are more like vettor said: https://www.familytreedna.com/public/northitaly?iframe=yresults

[vettor]

So you mean:

I'm sorry but mtDNA HVS-1, 6 Y-STR markers and 11 Y-SNPs even for the time of puplication was low-res and IMHO not useful to allow relevant relatedness conclusions. I personally use the paper just for Y-Haplogoup stats for the Ladin/Tyrol area.

This is the latest Y-Hg Stat I made for the Tyrol area. Indeed we can see in the Ladin/Dolomite area L reaches ca. 10% (in yellow uncertain numbers because lack of study resolution)
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My observation or better assumption is that ancient Rhaetia like the Etruscan area had significant influence from the Orient. Both areas are also tied trough usage of the same Alphabet etc.
For Tuscany I have however not seen such levels of L so I assume a slightly different migration probably more on the Adriatic side (modern Veneto) into the Dolomite Alps. The longtime isolation and drift for me is likely ongoing since Roman time (with low German/Slav influence later).
Speaking of the L you see two distinct clusters (Dolomites/Treviso, Gottschee, Janissary AND Switzerland/U.Danube/Slovenia) in https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Alpine_DNA_Project_AlpGen_Genealogy?iframe=yresult s
In North Italy there are more like vettor said: https://www.familytreedna.com/public/northitaly?iframe=yresults

thanks

Its been a while..............but I have 3 x L matches for DNA and I am not L
surnames...Toigo, Corso and Geis

The slovene and croatia ancient areas have found L and even a N in "Liburnian" islands ....not sure if they are ancient or modern

BTW....I have a family link via your T , surname Erspamer of 1704 from your bottom attachement............contact me privately and I will give you the marriages etc ................also have links with the Panz family of Wels Austria

[Aemilius]

So, this isn´t an actual update, my genealogical situation is still pretty much the same. Just wanted to talk about something that people have suggested to me.
First, it seems that there´s another L-M349 Brazilian of Northeasterner patrilineal descent. I discovered this guy in one group about Brazilian genealogy and genetics in social media. His line comes from Pernambuco, so pretty close to my own origins in Paraíba. It makes me think if we somehow share the same lineage as the region from where my paternal family came from had a good amount of people from Pernambuco settling in, on a period know in historiography as the "War of the Barbarians" when the Portuguese pushed into the countryside to secure their power in this region following the Dutch invasions.
Second, some people have actually suggested that it could be possible that my ancestor could be a Dutch or German mercenary(or anything close to these ethnicities)that came to Brazil in this period. The Dutch West Indies Company really used mercenaries from northern and central Europe in the conquest of Nieuw Holland, but most of these soldiers left Brazil for their homes when the war was gone, with few men remaining as engenho lords, merchants and military officers that later married with local women.
I´am obviously skeptical about this. Brazilian historians can´t actually exactly determine the quantity of the soldiers that remained and had descendants in the Northeast. However, my fellow L-M349 cited above has some interesting caracteristics.
His paternal line comes from Jaboatão dos Guararapes, the city where the famous Battle of the Guararapes occurred, but also a city pretty close to Olinda and primarily to Recife that was the actual capital and center of Dutch power(called Mauritsstad in this period, in honor of John Maurice of Nassau-Siegen, the governor of the colony at that time).This branch on his tree ends on his great-grandfather, described as a black or mixed man with blue eyes(are all western L´s cursed with scarce documents?).
It does seems a little far fetched in my opinion and for now i still consider that a Portuguese male line is more plausible, but what do you think?
I hope that the next time that i post here is an actual update, thank you all for your time.

[Aemilius]

Hello friends, hope you are making it just fine.
This is an actual update(kind of), but rather a disappointing one. I finally got acess to my grandfather birth certificate and....there´s nothing about his father´s side, not even his name. My male line reached a brickwall.
Hope still exists, however. Two documents have his suposed native city, but this place contradicts family lore. The cities are pretty close to it other though, so it´s possible that the documents are correct indeed. I wonder if my great-grandfather have something to do with my Swiss genetic group in MyHeritage or some distant matches who seems to do not have any kind of Brazilian or Portuguese ancestry.
As for now, I´ll look in FamilySearch to see if there is more information about him. Not exactly confident in that, because of some surname issues, but it is the only way to see if there´s more clues.

[RCO]

https://www.yfull.com/tree/L-M349/

L-BY20692 = Mar (Casablanca) and Cuba
L-Y109374* = São Paulo

[Hrodric]

So, this isn´t an actual update, my genealogical situation is still pretty much the same. Just wanted to talk about something that people have suggested to me.
First, it seems that there´s another L-M349 Brazilian of Northeasterner patrilineal descent. I discovered this guy in one group about Brazilian genealogy and genetics in social media. His line comes from Pernambuco, so pretty close to my own origins in Paraíba. It makes me think if we somehow share the same lineage as the region from where my paternal family came from had a good amount of people from Pernambuco settling in, on a period know in historiography as the "War of the Barbarians" when the Portuguese pushed into the countryside to secure their power in this region following the Dutch invasions.
Second, some people have actually suggested that it could be possible that my ancestor could be a Dutch or German mercenary(or anything close to these ethnicities)that came to Brazil in this period. The Dutch West Indies Company really used mercenaries from northern and central Europe in the conquest of Nieuw Holland, but most of these soldiers left Brazil for their homes when the war was gone, with few men remaining as engenho lords, merchants and military officers that later married with local women.
I´am obviously skeptical about this. Brazilian historians can´t actually exactly determine the quantity of the soldiers that remained and had descendants in the Northeast. However, my fellow L-M349 cited above has some interesting caracteristics.
His paternal line comes from Jaboatão dos Guararapes, the city where the famous Battle of the Guararapes occurred, but also a city pretty close to Olinda and primarily to Recife that was the actual capital and center of Dutch power(called Mauritsstad in this period, in honor of John Maurice of Nassau-Siegen, the governor of the colony at that time).This branch on his tree ends on his great-grandfather, described as a black or mixed man with blue eyes(are all western L´s cursed with scarce documents?).
It does seems a little far fetched in my opinion and for now i still consider that a Portuguese male line is more plausible, but what do you think?
I hope that the next time that i post here is an actual update, thank you all for your time.

Honestly, I find it very unlikely your lineage being from a Dutch origin... in a recent study on the Dutch population, only 1 individual out of 2085 was from hg L. https://doi.org/10.1038/s41431-019-0496-0

I wouldn't discard an Italian origin tho. Around 8% of the northeast Italian population bears the haplogroup L. https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0065441

[Aemilius]

Honestly, I find it very unlikely your lineage being from a Dutch origin... in a recent study on the Dutch population, only 1 individual out of 2085 was from hg L. https://doi.org/10.1038/s41431-019-0496-0

I wouldn't discard an Italian origin tho. Around 8% of the northeast Italian population bears the haplogroup L. https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0065441

Yep, I'm skeptical about this "Nieuw Holland" connection too.
The surname of great-grandpa supposedly comes from an well known family of Azorean descent, who came to the Northeast in the 1700s. However, the two brothers that founded the family are certified R1b, as all documented descendants of them belong to this haplogroup. So, that means that he inherited the surname by the way of a female line and that there is an still undiscovered family that gave me my YDNA.
European immigration to the Northeast wasn't massive in any way like the South/Southeast and the few immigrants who went there settled most in coastal cities with even less of them settling sparsely in some bigger cities on the "Sertão". With that in mind, Portugal is my favourite candidate to be the source of my male line, as most Brazilians of colonial descent are of Portuguese origin in what concerns the Y-chromosome.
I do have that strange Swiss genetic group tho and some strange relatives in MyHeritage and FamilyTreeDNA. Not confident that the connection is by my paternal great-grandfather(I rather think that it is by my mom), but can't really discard a possible relation with Switzerland or other countries close enough, like Italy as you say.

[Ruderico]

Be careful and don't trust surnames too much, they changed quite a lot, just because you carry one doesn't mean it has been present in your male line for many generations. In the end genealogy is about documents, either you have the paper trail or you don't.

[Aemilius]

Be careful and don't trust surnames too often, they changed quite a lot, just because you carry one doesn't mean it has been present in your male line for many generations. In the end genealogy is about documents, either you have the paper trail or you don't.
Yes. I do know that he descended from one of the Azorean brothers because of quite a lot of relatives with paper trail to them that appears on Gedmatch, MyHeritage and FamilyTreeDNA. The family intermixed deeply with other "clans" in that region(and were quite endogamous in that regard)that we have genetic connections too.
FamilySearch recently suggested a baptism certificate that may actually be of my paternal granduncle(born from an actual marriage of my great-grandfather). Quite a lot of information seems to be correct, but I'm not sure about it. Brazilian documentation is a mess and doubled precaution is needed.

[Aemilius]

Quick update, friends.
I´ve been searching for the genealogy of an supposed paternal cousin of my grandfather and actually found the name of his grandparents on documents in the city my father was born! Not confirmed the exact relationship of the guy with grandpa yet tho and I´m contacting my relatives to do so. But if they are cousins on first degree, the names of my paternal great-great-grandparents have been discovered along their native cities.
This is a great step as the region they are described as having coming from is greatly documented by Brazilian standards, so the origin of my haplogroup may be closer than I thought. The next weeks will be fairly interesting.

[Aemilius]

Great update guys! Well, kind of.
I finally discovered the origin of my line, in some way. Turns out that my male line ancestor came from Portugal to Brazil in the XVIII century. He's mentioned in the so called "genealogical bible" of the region my patrilineal ancestors lived up to my great-grandfather generation.
Whoever, although he is mentioned as Portuguese born, the exact place of his birth in Portugal hasn't been discovered yet. I'm personally inclined to think that he was probably Azorean, but can't confirm this yet.
As for a deep test I'm afraid it will take a good time. It is quite expensive here, so it will have to wait. However, I'll continue to update you guys about any paper trail discoveries.

[emc]

Great update guys! Well, kind of.
I finally discovered the origin of my line, in some way. Turns out that my male line ancestor came from Portugal to Brazil in the XVIII century. He's mentioned in the so called "genealogical bible" of the region my patrilineal ancestors lived up to my great-grandfather generation.
Whoever, although he is mentioned as Portuguese born, the exact place of his birth in Portugal hasn't been discovered yet. I'm personally inclined to think that he was probably Azorean, but can't confirm this yet.
As for a deep test I'm afraid it will take a good time. It is quite expensive here, so it will have to wait. However, I'll continue to update you guys about any paper trail discoveries.

I have just read the whole thread, but excuse me if I missed something. Do you have any reason to rule out Roma ancestry?

[Aemilius]

I have just read the whole thread, but excuse me if I missed something. Do you have any reason to rule out Roma ancestry?

Not really, I'm not discarding any theory because the information about my male ancestor is quite scarce. The focus, for now, is to discover the exact birthplace of the guy in Portugal. His surname(the only clue as for now?)seems to indicate that there is a chance he had roots in Terceira Island, as pretty much every colonist documented with it in Brazil were from this place or from other islands in the Azorean archipelago.
I've not seen an Roma person with ydna L-M349 tho, if you have any information it would be greatly appreciated.

[emc]

Not really, I'm not discarding any theory because the information about my male ancestor is quite scarce. The focus, for now, is to discover the exact birthplace of the guy in Portugal. His surname(the only clue as for now?)seems to indicate that there is a chance he had roots in Terceira Island, as pretty much every colonist documented with it in Brazil were from this place or from other islands in the Azorean archipelago.
I've not seen an Roma person with ydna L-M349 tho, if you have any information it would be greatly appreciated.

You're right, I was mistaking L and H. I thought about gypsies because many of them were expelled from Portugal during the colonization.
I hope you find more information, this is a very unusual haplogroup.

[Fried]

I have another question though: how did L enter Europe?

As far as I know any ancient migrations from Anatolia and Levant into Europe were via the Bosphorus Strait which was an isthmus at that time because the sea water level was much lower than today.

[Fried]

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In this project there is a sample from Switzerland with L-PAGES00113 as you have.
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Y-Haplogroup-L?iframe=yresults

[Aemilius]

In this project there is a sample from Switzerland with L-PAGES00113 as you have.
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Y-Haplogroup-L?iframe=yresults

That is quite interesting, as my line is of Portuguese origin(at least up to the 1700´s). This sample falls under the B374 branch, right?

[Fried]

That is quite interesting, as my line is of Portuguese origin(at least up to the 1700´s). This sample falls under the B374 branch, right?

Yes, he has B374+, but PAGES00113 falls under the M349 common branch among the other 69 SNPs in the Yfull project.
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[Aemilius]

Yes, he has B374+, but PAGES00113 falls under the M349 common branch among the other 69 SNPs in the Yfull project.
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Understood, thanks for the information.
So, for now, we only know that I´m not PAGE116. Hope to be able to have a deep test as soon as possible.

[Aemilius]

There is some evidence that my Portuguese ancestor was born in Seixal on the metropolitan region of Lisbon, as it seems. The baptism document of his wife has already been found, placing her birth around 1690 and as being baptized in Arrentela.
Quite surprised to be honest, as immigration from the region of Lisbon and surroundings wasn't that common back then, with the vast majority of colonists coming from the North and a good chunk from the atlantic Islands. His surname ( de Ávila, also written as D'Ávila ) sounds unusual for this freguesia, as it is mostly found in the Azores.
I just need to research a little more to confirm everything and find Francisco's parents. Studies and work are consuming most of my time though, don't really know when I'll have time to do this.

[Aemilius]

So, I have news that will actually impact on the research.
First of all, I've finally got in touch with relatives from my great-grandfather family. Turns out my great-grandparents weren't legally married and that's why it was so confusing to find scattered references of them together.
An grandniece of his told me the whole story, and after some fact checking with what we had and what her older relatives told us, this wall was finally breached.
Surprisingly, the man had his whole male line documented in three different books and a lot of old church documents. It goes back to an Azorean settler in the 1730's who came to Brazil with his brother, the family lore saying something about they fleeing for some reason from Portugal. The duo were from the Island of São Miguel.
They settled in the Northeast, becoming colonial officers and landowners. The two left an huge quantity of descendants in the region, that live there to this day (my great-grandfather was born on the village my paper ancestors settled in).
However, as explained, they left an great deal of descendants and some of them tested their DNA. And to my surprise again, it seems all of them with the sole exception of myself, are R1b. Meaning that either there was an adoption or NPE, with the only way of circumventing this being if somehow the company messed really bad with my Y prediction (seems unlikely, though). One mystery resolved, one more to go.
Second, I bought an WGS test from Nebula Genomics on the sale of DNA Day. So expect some news in a couple months.
I'm really excited to see what the test will tell us and I'm specially curious to see if my Swiss genetic group has some connection to all of this. By using the DNA tools, it was possible to confirm the biological line at least up to my great-great-grandfather through matches, and there is some indications that the line goes up to his father too. Beyond that, I have no clue on what happened for now.
Anyone want to try guessing?

[vettor]

Yes, he has B374+, but PAGES00113 falls under the M349 common branch among the other 69 SNPs in the Yfull project.
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is it a fallout of haplogroup LT ?

https://www.yfull.com/tree/LT/


or K-M9 which haplogroup came out of

[vettor]

So, I have news that will actually impact on the research.
First of all, I've finally got in touch with relatives from my great-grandfather family. Turns out my great-grandparents weren't legally married and that's why it was so confusing to find scattered references of them together.
An grandniece of his told me the whole story, and after some fact checking with what we had and what her older relatives told us, this wall was finally breached.
Surprisingly, the man had his whole male line documented in three different books and a lot of old church documents. It goes back to an Azorean settler in the 1730's who came to Brazil with his brother, the family lore saying something about they fleeing for some reason from Portugal. The duo were from the Island of São Miguel.
They settled in the Northeast, becoming colonial officers and landowners. The two left an huge quantity of descendants in the region, that live there to this day (my great-grandfather was born on the village my paper ancestors settled in).
However, as explained, they left an great deal of descendants and some of them tested their DNA. And to my surprise again, it seems all of them with the sole exception of myself, are R1b. Meaning that either there was an adoption or NPE, with the only way of circumventing this being if somehow the company messed really bad with my Y prediction (seems unlikely, though). One mystery resolved, one more to go.
Second, I bought an WGS test from Nebula Genomics on the sale of DNA Day. So expect some news in a couple months.
I'm really excited to see what the test will tell us and I'm specially curious to see if my Swiss genetic group has some connection to all of this. By using the DNA tools, it was possible to confirm the biological line at least up to my great-great-grandfather through matches, and there is some indications that the line goes up to his father too. Beyond that, I have no clue on what happened for now.
Anyone want to try guessing?

I will await with interest

all I recall is ..........the Azores was populated by mainly the Portuguese, Moorish prisoners ( berbers in origin ) ,Flemish, French and Spaniards. ......................they killed off or enslaved all the native men and bred with the females

[RCO]

WGS test from Nebula Genomics - Very important to find your precise position in the tree, if you have your STR markers you can try to find more Brazilian/Portuguese matches, if that's the case.

[Hrodric]

I will await with interest

all I recall is ..........the Azores was populated by mainly the Portuguese, Moorish prisoners ( berbers in origin ) ,Flemish, French and Spaniards. ......................they killed off or enslaved all the native men and bred with the females

When portuguese arrived in Açores, the archipelago was uninhabited.