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smal
04-25-2014, 01:11 PM
The Geno 2.0 results of N118842 Alil (Usein) from Bulgaria have appeared. He has CTS7763+ CTS8966+ haplotype and 12 STRs. This is third CTS7763+ CTS8966+ sample in addition to 164226 Kassabian and NA18645 from 1KGP.

Joe B
05-02-2014, 09:54 PM
The Geno 2.0 results of N118842 Alil (Usein) from Bulgaria have appeared. He has CTS7763+ CTS8966+ haplotype and 12 STRs. This is third CTS7763+ CTS8966+ sample in addition to 164226 Kassabian and NA18645 from 1KGP.
Did the "Wish a SNP" at YSEQ for CTS7763. YSEQ indicated that the primers are designed and would be ready very quickly for both CTS7763 and CTS8966. I'll do CTS7763 and see what happens.
FTDNA also offers SNPs CTS7763 and CTS8966 as a stand alone test.

Joe B
06-12-2015, 07:50 PM
some updates...

RISE397_Kapan_LBA_Armenia L23/PF6534/S141+ > Y4371/Z8128+ > Z2106+ > PH4902+ > Y:18249219(A/C)+ CTS9219- (assigned to CTS7763 branch)

RISE547_Temrta IV_Yamnaya_Russia L478/PF6403+ > CTS9416+ > Z2106+ Y:9992926(T/C)-
RISE548_Temrta IV_Yamnaya_Russia PF6494+ > L23/PF6534/S141+ > Z8128/Y4371+ Z2105+ CTS9416+ CTS1843/Z2109- CTS9219- Y:22971205(G/C)- Y:7033880(C/T)- PH4503-
RISE550_Peshany V_Yamnaya_Russia PF6399/S10+ PF6494+ > Z8129/Y12537+ CTS8966-

RISE555_Stalingrad Quarry_EBA_Russia PF6399/S10+ > CTS7340/Z2107+ > Z2106+ Y:8025025(G/A)-

Please, look at the M269+ P312- U106- FTDNA project tree (http://www.kumbarov.com/ht35/R1b1a2_ht35_project_tree_16_05_25_2015.pdf) to find positions of these SNPs in Y Haplotree.

Thanks smal. All of that phylogenetic work this past year is really paying off. Assigning RISE397_Kapan_LBA_Armenia to the R1b>CTS7763 haplogroup is good proof of that. R1b>M269>L23>Z2103>Z2106>CTS7763>Y:18249219(A/C) is very specific. It wouldn't be possible without the next generation sequencing (NGS) testing that living people are doing today.

R1b>M269>L23>Z2103>Z2106> PH4902>CTS7763>Y:18249219(A/C) .It is a not specifik.We have few persons in Ftdna with Y:18249219(A/C).164226 Garabed Kassabian, ~ 1850 ~1950, Konya, Turkey Turkey R-CTS7763 look http://www.kumbarov.com/ht35/R1b1a2_ht35_project_tree_16_05_25_2015.pdf

It's quite an achievement to find SNP Y:18249219(A/C) in a 3000 year old guy and then be able to assign him to a specific line on the R1b-M269 (P312- U106-) DNA Project (aka ht35 Project) Phylogenetic Tree (https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/ht-3-5new/about/results) or any tree based on the NGS results of living people. Lets hope there is the same good fortune with the other ancient haplotypes in the study.
If Y:18249219(A/C) was so well known, a subgroup in the ht35 project would have been created for the vast numbers of tested R1b-CTS7763 haplotypes. The fact is there are only a few individuals that have tested positive for CTS7763 at this point. _b4. R1b-L23: Z2103+ Z2105+ CTS7763+ CTS8966+ https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/ht-3-5new/dna-results

R1b>M269>L23>Z2103>Z2106> CTS7763>PH4902>Y:18249219(A/C) this rightThat looks pretty good for somebody 3000 years old.
The _b. R1b-L23: Z2103+ Z2105+ should test Z2109 & CTS7763 subgroup has grown and _b4. R1b-Z2103 (tested or predicted). Should order CTS7763 or BigY is a new subgroup. https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/ht-3-5new/dna-results

Shtrun
06-12-2015, 08:01 PM
Very interesting, my grandfather just might be CTS7763+. Especially because he is from the ethnic - Ryazan (or Russian) Meschera, ie It may be a descendant of the old substrate population of the West Volga, which in turn could be the descendants of Yamnaya culture. ))

Mher
06-12-2015, 08:06 PM
That looks pretty good for somebody 3000 years old.
The _b. R1b-L23: Z2103+ Z2105+ should test Z2109 & CTS7763 subgroup has grown and _b4. R1b-Z2103 (tested or predicted). Should order CTS7763 or BigY is a new subgroup. https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/ht-3-5new/dna-results

<a href="http://shot.qip.ru/00Fb15-62yrTZgo4/" target="_blank" title="QIP Shot"><img src="http://f6.s.qip.ru/2yrTZgo4.png" width="1341" height="88"/></a>

Mher
06-12-2015, 08:07 PM
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http://www.kumbarov.com/ht35/R1b1a2_ht35_project_tree_16_05_25_2015.pdf

Mher
06-12-2015, 08:08 PM
<a href="http://shot.qip.ru/00Fb15-62yrTZgo4/" target="_blank" title="QIP Shot"><img src="http://f6.s.qip.ru/2yrTZgo4.png" width="1341" height="88"/></a>

[LINK:shot.qip.ru|http://shot.qip.ru/00Fb15-62yrTZgo4/]

Joe B
06-12-2015, 08:11 PM
Very interesting, my grandfather just might be CTS7763+. Especially because he is from the ethnic - Ryazan (or Russian) Meschera, ie It may be a descendant of the old substrate population of the West Volga, which in turn could be the descendants of Yamnaya culture. ))Could be CTS7763+ or Z2109/CTS1843+ like many Burzyans-Bashkirs are. Both R1b-CTS7763 and especially R1b-Z2109 are fairly new additions to the tree. Best to your grandfather.
http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?3965-R1b-Z2109*-R1b-gt-M269-gt-L23-gt-Z2103-gt-Z2106-gt-Z2109*-%28CTS7822-Z2110-%29&p=73579&viewfull=1#post73579

Shtrun
06-12-2015, 08:25 PM
Could be CTS7763+ or Z2109/CTS1843+ like many Burzyans-Bashkirs are. Both R1b-CTS7763 and especially R1b-Z2109 are fairly new additions to the tree. Best to your grandfather.
http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?3965-R1b-Z2109*-R1b-gt-M269-gt-L23-gt-Z2103-gt-Z2106-gt-Z2109*-%28CTS7822-Z2110-%29&p=73579&viewfull=1#post73579

Bashkirs far. Close unoccupied for 67 markers. Only those who are close from the same region.
http://i004.radikal.ru/1506/5b/b4979936a918.png (http://www.radikal.ru)

By the way there are the administrators of the project ht35?

One of my kit in the group _b. R1b-L23: Z2103+ Z2105+ should test Z2109 & CTS7763
others B3.5. R1b-L23: Should order Z2103 & Z2109/CTS1843

smal
06-12-2015, 09:12 PM
Both Z2109 and CTS7763 are very old. We can observe such haplotypes from Europe to Butan and India. Unfortunately, there are very few SNP tested samples. As a consequence, it is very difficult to predict correct SNPs for these groups. I recommend you to test Z2109. If it is negative you should try to order CTS7763.

Joe B
06-12-2015, 09:15 PM
Bashkirs far. Close unoccupied for 67 markers. Only those who are close from the same region.
http://i004.radikal.ru/1506/5b/b4979936a918.png (http://www.radikal.ru)

By the way there are the administrators of the project ht35?

One of my kit in the group _b. R1b-L23: Z2103+ Z2105+ should test Z2109 & CTS7763
others B3.5. R1b-L23: Should order Z2103 & Z2109/CTS1843The basic difference is that #228540 tested Z2103+ and the other's didn't. The problem is #228540 only has 12 STRs and it's usually difficult to make a good "next SNP to test" call with even 67 STRs. We're leaning towards testing SNP Z2109 first, but only by a hair. We recently went through this with an Iraqi gentlemen and he turned out to be Z2109+. http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?1096-From-R-L150-to-R-CTS7822&p=79860&viewfull=1#post79860 Testing #162896 would better help develop the STR modal for the haplogroup. Thank you for your work and interest in this area.

Shtrun
06-12-2015, 10:03 PM
The basic difference is that #228540 tested Z2103+ and the other's didn't. The problem is #228540 only has 12 STRs and it's usually difficult to make a good "next SNP to test" call with even 67 STRs. We're leaning towards testing SNP Z2109 first, but only by a hair. We recently went through this with an Iraqi gentlemen and he turned out to be Z2109+. http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?1096-From-R-L150-to-R-CTS7822&p=79860&viewfull=1#post79860 Testing #162896 would better help develop the STR modal for the haplogroup. Thank you for your work and interest in this area.

Because the people from neighboring villages, it is likely that they have the same ancestor.

In addition, 228540 and 162896 are relatives in the fifth or sixth generation.
228540 Shlykov - 12 markers & Z2103+
162896 Shlykov - 67 markers

It is therefore reasonable to put them in the same group.

Mher
02-02-2017, 01:38 PM
We have new Big of 242711 from Armenia,Kapan he have Y7763>PH4902>BY3295

Mher
02-16-2017, 07:09 PM
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