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TigerMW
05-01-2014, 10:31 PM
FGC found in a person named Edgecomb an SNP that CTS4466 (Irish II) type folks have. We have another FGC11134+ CTS4466- person via his Big Y results. He is Lefevre and he lists Normandy as an origin.

Dubhthach
05-01-2014, 10:48 PM
FGC found in a person named Edgecomb an SNP that CTS4466 (Irish II) type folks have. We have another FGC11134+ CTS4466- person via his Big Y results. He is Lefevre and he lists Normandy as an origin.

Very interesting, I know that there was some debate in academic circles that the Eoghanacht could have had potentially late Gaulish origin. Some of this is tied down to name evidence (on Ogham stones and the like).

How do Edgecomb and Lefevre compare on STR basis with Irish Type II's?

-Paul
(DF41+)

TigerMW
05-01-2014, 11:46 PM
Very interesting, I know that there was some debate in academic circles that the Eoghanacht could have had potentially late Gaulish origin. Some of this is tied down to name evidence (on Ogham stones and the like).

How do Edgecomb and Lefevre compare on STR basis with Irish Type II's?

-Paul
(DF41+)

Not close, so these guys are early branches before Irish II

You can tell just by looking at the L21 SNP Discovery chart on CTS4466. There are anywhere from 12 to 14 SNPs that look to be equivalent to CTS4466 that Edgecomb and Lefevre don't have. That must have been the bottleneck that the MRCA for Irish II struggled through before hitting green fields in Ireland.

... depending on various mutation rates used so far, those 12-14 SNPs could be worth 1200-1800 years.

rms2
05-30-2014, 02:16 PM
This is one of the more interesting developments to come out of either FG or Big Y testing that I have heard of.

Dubhthach
06-08-2014, 08:47 PM
If I'm reading correctly this branch (which is also marked by SNP: FGC12055) is also the parent clade of L96! L96 always quite a small branch so it's good to see it wrapped up within larger clade under DF13.