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Luso
11-19-2021, 11:30 PM
Hi, so I finally got a hold of my mom's brothers raw data and he got G-Y65 (Y65/Z3292+) on cladefinder.yseq :)! All sides of our family are Portuguese from the southern tip.

If anyone can explain this y-dna and it's significance that would be amazing.

RCO
11-19-2021, 11:39 PM
They have some Iberian branches https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-Y65/

PLogan
11-19-2021, 11:41 PM
Appears it's synonymous with G-Z3292

G-Y65Y65/Z3292formed 4100 ybp, TMRCA 4100 ybp

https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-Y65/

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Luso
11-20-2021, 12:27 AM
I know R1b is associated with indoeuropeans, what group is G associated with (particularly this one)? Farmers?

JoeyP37
11-20-2021, 12:55 AM
Yes it is a farmer lineage majority of farmers were G2a-L140, which Y65 is descended from.

PLogan
11-20-2021, 01:04 AM
https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_G2a_Y-DNA.shtml

Riverman
11-20-2021, 03:08 AM
I know R1b is associated with indoeuropeans, what group is G associated with (particularly this one)? Farmers?

R1b is the lineage of European foragers, especially from Eastern Europe. Only some of its later, very successful branches got PIE and the story didn't end there. Haplogroup G was most likely the lineage of Anatolian foragers, which turned farmers in PPN cultures.
https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-Y65/ is much too young to have been still a farmers lineage. Many of the G2 farmers went extinct, being rolled over by first I2 agro-pastoralists, then IE agro-pastoralists. The question is how this specific lineage of G2 survived, its TMRCA dates it to the Bronze Age.
Sardinian Cagliari samples can be misleading, because Cagliari doesn't really represent Sardinians as a whole and got a lot of migrants especially from Italy, contrary to the rest of the island. However, the particularly high frequency of it in the Sardinian city makes it a good candidate for a Mediterranean, probably even Sardinian based lineage probably. Exact background depends on the subclade, like there is a Jewish subclade too:
https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-FGC31715/

Upstream we still end up with Sardinia, France, Italy and Iberia:
https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-Z3408/

If we still move up, we find the survivor:
https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-Z1903/

Its still the same time frame, it seems to be a single individual or clan, similar to the case of I1 and E-V13, which survived an invasion and became incorporated.

Interestingly, there is an ancient DNA sample of a more basal lineage, with no modern representatives so far, again from the Mediterranean sphere, from Sicily: id:I3125

Based on that, I wouldn't wonder if the survivor/surviving clan got incorporated by Southern Bell Beakers in or around the Mediterranean. Would be a good candidate for Sardinian, Sicilian or Iberian Beaker contexts imho. For more details you need the downstream subclades/terminal SNP.

Luso
11-20-2021, 09:10 PM
R1b is the lineage of European foragers, especially from Eastern Europe. Only some of its later, very successful branches got PIE and the story didn't end there. Haplogroup G was most likely the lineage of Anatolian foragers, which turned farmers in PPN cultures.
https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-Y65/ is much too young to have been still a farmers lineage. Many of the G2 farmers went extinct, being rolled over by first I2 agro-pastoralists, then IE agro-pastoralists. The question is how this specific lineage of G2 survived, its TMRCA dates it to the Bronze Age.
Sardinian Cagliari samples can be misleading, because Cagliari doesn't really represent Sardinians as a whole and got a lot of migrants especially from Italy, contrary to the rest of the island. However, the particularly high frequency of it in the Sardinian city makes it a good candidate for a Mediterranean, probably even Sardinian based lineage probably. Exact background depends on the subclade, like there is a Jewish subclade too:
https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-FGC31715/

Upstream we still end up with Sardinia, France, Italy and Iberia:
https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-Z3408/

If we still move up, we find the survivor:
https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-Z1903/

Its still the same time frame, it seems to be a single individual or clan, similar to the case of I1 and E-V13, which survived an invasion and became incorporated.

Interestingly, there is an ancient DNA sample of a more basal lineage, with no modern representatives so far, again from the Mediterranean sphere, from Sicily: id:I3125

Based on that, I wouldn't wonder if the survivor/surviving clan got incorporated by Southern Bell Beakers in or around the Mediterranean. Would be a good candidate for Sardinian, Sicilian or Iberian Beaker contexts imho. For more details you need the downstream subclades/terminal SNP.

Awesome info, I appreciate it. Yeah this specific clade seems pretty rare. I haven't done the more expensive paternal test for my immediate line so I doubt I'll be able to any time soon for this one... but maybe one day. Would be cool pinpointing a date on it to see which point in history it corresponds to.

Luso
03-09-2022, 06:55 AM
Have to spill some unfortunate news... just in case anyone is curious for whatever reason about G-Y65, or gets this clade themselves and stumbles upon this thread w questions. I will never be able to identify where my mom's paternal line falls under. Sadly, my grandfather (mom side) died of heart problems in his late 60's... and now just 4 days ago, my uncle passed away during a heart transplant at around the same age. I think it's obvious but... the process of gaining information about my uncle's line can only reach a certain height of importance. The real importance is treasuring what a great man he was, and how he had the radiant aurora to make everyone smile.

Thank you to everyone who contributed here, and for all the information and speculation regarding this rare lineage. Please remember to cherish every moment you have with family.