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Alkaevli
12-26-2021, 05:22 PM
Here is the first sample from Dodecanese Turks. She is from Rhodes. Her paternal side is from the main settlement, maternal side from Salakos.

Unlike (formerly) Greek-speaking Muslims from Crete, who are genetically indistinguishable (from what we have seen so far) from their Christian counterparts, Dodecanese Turks seem to descend mostly from Anatolian Turkish settlers. We have another sample from Kos that is also closer to Anatolian Turks. I will also share the Kos sample when I get the coordinates.

The Rhodes sample

Dodecad K12b
https://abload.de/img/263537909_424948999169ijk4.jpg

Global25

Scaled coordinates

Turkish_Dodecanese:Turkish_Rhodes1,0.103579,0.0873 36,-0.021119,-0.0323,-0.007078,-0.015618,0.007285,0.002769,-0.01084,0.006014,0.005846,-0.004046,0.004311,0.006744,-0.010586,-0.011403,-0.014864,-0.004181,-0.002514,-0.009004,0.001373,-0.009892,-0.000986,-0.006025,-0.001557

Distance to: Turkish_Dodecanese:Turkish_Rhodes1
0.03856431 Turkish_Central
0.04115873 Turkish_Adana
0.04191098 Turkish_Kayseri
0.04263736 Turkish_North
0.04474656 Turkish_Aydin
0.04517081 Turkish_Balikesir
0.04879595 Turkish_Northwest
0.05163020 Turkish_Southwest
0.05418870 Azerbaijani_Turkey
0.05468031 Turkish_South
0.05863590 Azerbaijani
0.05989050 Turkish_Rumeli
0.06021569 Turkish_East
0.06032186 Ashkenazi_Russia
0.06155091 Ashkenazi_Lithuania
0.06318170 Ashkenazi_Ukraine
0.06388457 Ashkenazi_Belarussia
0.06406789 Ashkenazi_Poland
0.06419573 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
0.06613881 Turkish_Deliorman

https://abload.de/img/261859593_42518592247vckux.jpg
https://abload.de/img/262838419_42518606914wjk56.jpg

Michalis Moriopoulos
12-26-2021, 06:29 PM
Wow, great sample. I wouldn't have expected to see results from Dodecanese Turks before Turkish Cypriots, but life throws you curveballs.

Ran her through basic components:

Fit: 0.04143876
Anatolia_N - 41.2%
Yamnaya - 19.4%
Iran_N - 13.6%
CHG - 9%
Natufian - 8.4%
Devils_Gate - 6%
Hanben - 1.2%
AASI - 0.6%
EHG - 0.4%
Papuan - 0.2%

Distances to individual samples in my spreadsheet:
Distance to: Turkish_Dodecanese:Turkish_Rhodes1
0.03170681 Turkish_(Mixed_Central_Anatolian_Turk+West_Med_Pro file):22BA62
0.03242077 Turkish_(Central_Anatolian_Turk_Profile):21BA58
0.03560266 Turkish_(Mixed_West_Anatolian_Turk+Pontic_Profile) :18BA59
0.03612623 Turkish_Southwest:Turkish_Southwest4
0.03650044 Turkish_Central:Turkish_Central6
0.03685524 Turkish_Central:Turkish_Central13
0.03690306 Turkish_North:Turkish_North9
0.03772917 Turkish_Central:Turkish_Central3
0.03844406 Turkish_Central:Turkish_Central5
0.03915760 Turkish_Adana:Adana23150
0.03989263 Turkish_(West/Central_Anatolian_Turk_Profile):GRC10045044
0.04013855 Turkish_(East-Central_Anatolian_Turk_Profile):11BA60
0.04046612 Turkish_Istanbul:Istanbul25081
0.04087560 Turkish_Central:Turkish_Central10
0.04094493 Turkish_Aydin:Aydin18873
0.04102603 Turkish_Kayseri:Kayseri23967
0.04124050 Turkish_Central:Turkish_Central11
0.04132826 Turkish_North:Turkish_North7
0.04141708 Turkish_Istanbul:Istanbul19185
0.04183197 Turkish_(West_Anatolian_Turk_Profile):23BA59
0.04218522 Turkish_North:Turkish_North6
0.04295168 Turkish_Kayseri:Kayseri23892
0.04299243 Turkish_Kayseri:Kayseri24266
0.04310042 Turkish_(West_Anatolian_Turk_Profile):1BA59
0.04339846 Turkish_Balikesir:Balikesir16790

Interesting association with a couple of presumably mixed samples (predicted from Gedmatch oracles).

Ajeje Brazorf
12-26-2021, 09:01 PM
Nice results!

Dodecad K12b model

Target: Turkish_Dodecanese:Turkish_Rhodes1
Distance: 2.5981% / 2.59810214 | R2P
76.0 Greek_Crete
24.0 Turkmen_Uzbekistan

Sorcelow
12-27-2021, 12:45 AM
Target: Turkish_Dodecanese:Turkish_Rhodes1
Distance: 2.4115% / 0.02411464
68.2 Turkish_Southwest
29.0 Greek_Kos
2.8 Greek_Dodecanese

chum
12-27-2021, 10:25 AM
Target: Turkish_Dodecanese:Turkish_Rhodes1
Distance: 2.2584% / 0.02258408
46.0 Greek_Crete
33.4 Greek_Cappadocia
20.6 Turkmen_Uzbekistan_UZB105_turkmen

Alkaevli
12-28-2021, 03:19 PM
Here is the Kos sample, she seems to be more Levant-shifted than the one from Rhodes.

Dodecad K12b
https://abload.de/img/269844134_439192924505zj9y.png


Global25



Turkish_Dodecanese:Turkish_Kos1,0.091058,0.08632,-0.018856,-0.05168,-0.013233,-0.017291,-0.000235,-0.005077,-0.002863,0.006925,-0.005359,0.002698,0.001189,0.001101,-0.015472,0.005038,-0.000261,0.005068,0.00352,-0.003627,-0.00262,0.002102,-0.000986,0.000361,0.005987

https://abload.de/img/2228hjmk.png
https://abload.de/img/adszsgjm8.png
https://abload.de/img/33qekiw.png

Target: Turkish_Dodecanese:Turkish_Kos1
Distance: 1.6529% / 0.01652896 | R3P
45.2 Lebanese_Christian
30.2 Tatar_Crimean_steppe
24.6 Greek_Cappadocia

Target: Turkish_Dodecanese:Turkish_Kos1
Distance: 1.6885% / 0.01688473 | R3P
45.8 Levant_LBN_MA
28.8 IND_Roopkund_B
25.4 KAZ_Turk

Alkaevli
12-28-2021, 03:32 PM
Turkish_Dodecanese Global25 average (n=2):

Turkish_Dodecanese,0.097319,0.086828,-0.019988,-0.04199,-0.010156,-0.016455,0.003525,-0.001154,-0.006852,0.00647,0.000244,-0.000674,0.00275,0.003923,-0.013029,-0.003183,-0.007563,0.000444,0.000503,-0.006316,-0.000624,-0.003895,-0.000986,-0.002832,0.002215
https://abload.de/img/444zgjc3.png

Seabass
12-29-2021, 12:34 PM
Here is the Kos sample, she seems to be more Levant-shifted than the one from Rhodes.

Any historical explanation why that might be? Ie, we know a small minority of Balkan Greeks and Turks (apparently Cypriot Turks too) today can get a spec of East African DNA due to Ottoman Turks having brought Sudanese slaves, but how do we explain some Turkish Cypriots being more Levantine shifted than Greek Cypriots and I guess potential Kos Turks being more Levantine shifted than Kos Greeks? Is it possible Ottoman rule saw the assimilation of more Maronites among the Turkish community as opposed to Greek community in Cyprus? The peculiar thing is Greeks from Rhode Island seem on average more Semitic shifted than those from Kos, yet between these two Turks shared, it's a different story.

Alkaevli
12-29-2021, 06:36 PM
but how do we explain some Turkish Cypriots being more Levantine shifted than Greek Cypriots
In Dodecad K12b, Greek Cypriots on average have higher Southwest_Asian while Turkish Cypriots have higher African, North_European and East Eurasian. Turkish Cypriots seem to be African and Anatolian Turkish-shifted compared to Greek Cypriots, not really Levantine as there is no increase in Southwest_Asian.
https://abload.de/img/adszl8kp8.png



and I guess potential Kos Turks being more Levantine shifted than Kos Greeks? Is it possible Ottoman rule saw the assimilation of more Maronites among the Turkish community as opposed to Greek community in Cyprus? The peculiar thing is Greeks from Rhode Island seem on average more Semitic shifted than those from Kos, yet between these two Turks shared, it's a different story.
We will get two more samples from Dodecanese Turks, but I think we need more than that to draw such a conclusion. For now, the sample from Kos seems to be more Levantine-shifted than the sample from Rhodes, which is interesting considering the opposite is case with Greeks.

forttrio
01-01-2022, 10:28 PM
Not a good fit, but this is what I got when I ran her coordinates on G25:

Target: Turkish_Dodecanese:Turkish_Rhodes1
Distance: 4.7846% / 0.04784562
44.0 Anatolia_N
29.8 Iran_N
13.4 EHG
6.2 East_Asian
6.2 Levant_N
0.4 AASI