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MitchellSince1893
01-08-2022, 09:42 PM
FYI: Unless I have memory loss, it appears FTDNA has reorganized their haplotree, so that there is now a mutation between P312 & ZZ11, called R-Z46516.

https://i.imgur.com/vu68RfH.png

While we've known for a while now there was a mutation between P312 & ZZ11 thanks to Alex Williams' bigtree
https://www.ytree.net/

Alex has a different mutation at this level (Z40481)

Also FTDNA branch FGC84729 isn't present on BigTree

FGC84729 has subclades DF99 & ZZ37_1, while Bigtree has them directly underneath Z40481

https://i.imgur.com/8oVkt9N.png

razyn
01-09-2022, 08:28 PM
Neither Z40481 nor FGC84729 is a very new discovery, but if they are equivalent (which I'm unprepared to say), Z40481 is an Indel (TTTA deletion) whereas FGC84729 is a regular SNP. So there are those who would prefer it, on that basis. Z46516 is not yet listed on YBrowse. http://ybrowse.y-chromosome.org/gb2/gbrowse/chrY/

MitchellSince1893
01-09-2022, 11:25 PM
Neither Z40481 nor FGC84729 is a very new discovery, but if they are equivalent (which I'm unprepared to say), Z40481 is an Indel (TTTA deletion) whereas FGC84729 is a regular SNP. So there are those who would prefer it, on that basis. Z46516 is not yet listed on YBrowse. http://ybrowse.y-chromosome.org/gb2/gbrowse/chrY/

Well this messes up my tracking of when will ZZ11 pass his "Uncle" U106. Now U106 is his great uncle.

P312>Z46516 is already larger than U106 in the FTDNA data base

P312>Z290: 27,406
P312>Z290>L21: 27,395
P312>Z46516: 17681
U106: 17,343
P312>Z46516>ZZ11: 17142

GoldenHind
01-14-2022, 12:52 AM
FYI: Unless I have memory loss, it appears FTDNA has reorganized their haplotree, so that there is now a mutation between P312 & ZZ11, called R-Z46516.

https://i.imgur.com/vu68RfH.png

While we've known for a while now there was a mutation between P312 & ZZ11 thanks to Alex Williams' bigtree
https://www.ytree.net/

Alex has a different mutation at this level (Z40481)

Also FTDNA branch FGC84729 isn't present on BigTree

FGC84729 has subclades DF99 & ZZ37_1, while Bigtree has them directly underneath Z40481

https://i.imgur.com/8oVkt9N.png

Doubtless this is because someone recently tested P312>Z46516* in the Big Y. I have posted more information on Z46516 rlsewhere on this forum (under the P312** thread).