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Flub
01-19-2022, 02:58 PM
Hello, I’m interested in what type of J2a Horners would usually have. I’ve tested on 23&me and they have assigned me J2a-M67, I wasn’t shocked at the least because I’ve expected to have something unrelated to the main population given the history which stems from Iran/Iraq -Ethiopia -Somalia. Any insights would be great.

Gentica277282
01-19-2022, 03:15 PM
Hello, I’m interested in what type of J2a Horners would usually have. I’ve tested on 23&me and they have assigned me J2a-M67, I wasn’t shocked at the least because I’ve expected to have something unrelated to the main population given the history which stems from Iran/Iraq -Ethiopia -Somalia. Any insights would be great.

I think that’s upstream from me if im not wrong

Flub
01-19-2022, 03:26 PM
I think that’s upstream from me if im not wrong

Interesting, what did you get? what’s your ethnicity?

J Man
01-19-2022, 04:39 PM
Hello, I’m interested in what type of J2a Horners would usually have. I’ve tested on 23&me and they have assigned me J2a-M67, I wasn’t shocked at the least because I’ve expected to have something unrelated to the main population given the history which stems from Iran/Iraq -Ethiopia -Somalia. Any insights would be great.

That's interesting....Which ethnic group in The Horn does your paternal lineage come from?

Gentica277282
01-19-2022, 04:52 PM
Interesting, what did you get? what’s your ethnicity?

I pm you and I double checked you are upstream to me. You will need to test further to find out your final subclade maybe you will cluster with me

What did you get in your autosomal

Flub
01-19-2022, 05:06 PM
That's interesting....Which ethnic group in The Horn does your paternal lineage come from?

I’m from South, Somali (the Bay region). My paternal would rather be from Harar(matched with some on 23&me) because they had the same surname(s) as me ‘Sherif’ rather than Benadir. But also because I’ve been told I had paternal relatives who were rather Amharic speakers.

Flub
01-19-2022, 05:20 PM
I pm you and I double checked you are upstream to me. You will need to test further to find out your final subclade maybe you will cluster with me

What did you get in your autosomal
52.8% Somali, 44.6% Oromo, 2.0% Swahili & 0.5% European.

Gentica277282
01-19-2022, 05:43 PM
52.8% Somali, 44.6% Oromo, 2.0% Swahili & 0.5% European.

Do you have g25 and what region is the European?

Flub
01-19-2022, 05:54 PM
Do you have g25 and what region is the European?

Haven’t done that, what is it? The region looks North Western. It shows up as ‘French_Basque’ or ‘Irish_Munster’.

Gentica277282
01-19-2022, 07:04 PM
Haven’t done that, what is it? The region looks North Western. It shows up as ‘French_Basque’ or ‘Irish_Munster’.

Oh okay can you post your gedmatch results then please

J Man
01-19-2022, 09:40 PM
Oh okay can you post your gedmatch results then please

You are Y-DNA J2a as well?

Gentica277282
01-19-2022, 09:57 PM
You are Y-DNA J2a as well?

Yes, I am

J Man
01-19-2022, 10:02 PM
Yes, I am

Interesting....Are you Somali as well?

Flub
01-20-2022, 04:31 AM
Oh okay can you post your gedmatch results then please

https://imgur.com/a/IxaYWCg

drobbah
01-20-2022, 05:25 AM
You have typical Somali results.Aren’t Ashraaf mostly autosomal Somalis who descend from foreign men? Kinda like the Carab Saalax of Puntland who descend from Mehri/Soqotri Yemenis

Deftextra
01-20-2022, 02:26 PM
You have typical Somali results.Aren’t Ashraaf mostly autosomal Somalis who descend from foreign men? Kinda like the Carab Saalax of Puntland who descend from Mehri/Soqotri Yemenis


He's Ashraaf from the bay region, which explains is typical Somali admixture, but possibly foreign y-paternal line. Ashraf's from the benadir region would probably score much higher foreign admixture.

Flub
01-21-2022, 12:01 PM
You have typical Somali results.Aren’t Ashraaf mostly autosomal Somalis who descend from foreign men? Kinda like the Carab Saalax of Puntland who descend from Mehri/Soqotri Yemenis

Which results?

drobbah
01-21-2022, 02:22 PM
He's Ashraaf from the bay region, which explains is typical Somali admixture, but possibly foreign y-paternal line. Ashraf's from the benadir region would probably score much higher foreign admixture.
We have another Ashraaf on this site I believe who is largely Somali (and Maay perhaps) with E-V32.There's also an Ashraaf from Merca who is upstream from the Habar Awal.It seems the Ashraaf assimilated many Southern local men and Somalis (originally Northerners) as well.In the Futuh they had the Ashraaf living in Somaliland/parts of Ethiopia but now they are absent.I assume at least some of the E-V32 among them was picked up in the North before they went to the more cosmopolitan Benadir coast once Adal collapsed.

Flub
01-24-2022, 01:30 AM
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Flub
02-01-2022, 10:46 PM
We have another Ashraaf on this site I believe who is largely Somali (and Maay perhaps) with E-V32.There's also an Ashraaf from Merca who is upstream from the Habar Awal.It seems the Ashraaf assimilated many Southern local men and Somalis (originally Northerners) as well.In the Futuh they had the Ashraaf living in Somaliland/parts of Ethiopia but now they are absent.I assume at least some of the E-V32 among them was picked up in the North before they went to the more cosmopolitan Benadir coast once Adal collapsed.
Then, those individuals are simply not Ashraf to put it. What was their sub-tribe?

Flub
02-06-2022, 05:44 PM
Got another match with the same paternal as me(2 so far) seems to be pretty similar to me 58.5%± Somali 36.5%± Ethiopian plus some West & South asian traces that I haven't got whereas I 53.0%± Somali & 44.5%± Ethiopian although less Swahili admix.

Gentica277282
02-06-2022, 05:55 PM
Got another match with the same paternal as me(2 so far) seems to be pretty similar to me 58.5%± Somali 36.5%± Ethiopian plus some West & South asian traces that I haven't got whereas I 53.0%± Somali & 44.5%± Ethiopian although less Swahili admix.

This is good hopefully we can find more J2a in the region to have a better idea of how it entered

J Man
02-06-2022, 06:08 PM
Got another match with the same paternal as me(2 so far) seems to be pretty similar to me 58.5%± Somali 36.5%± Ethiopian plus some West & South asian traces that I haven't got whereas I 53.0%± Somali & 44.5%± Ethiopian although less Swahili admix.

Any indication of what his clan is?

Flub
02-06-2022, 06:12 PM
Any indication of what his clan is?

No indication, likely Ashraf like me.

Deftextra
02-06-2022, 08:47 PM
Got another match with the same paternal as me(2 so far) seems to be pretty similar to me 58.5%± Somali 36.5%± Ethiopian plus some West & South asian traces that I haven't got whereas I 53.0%± Somali & 44.5%± Ethiopian although less Swahili admix.

Last time I checked. I have only come across one J2a match. J1 is much more common among my matches. https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?9846-Y-DNA-in-Somali-Benadiris&p=762577&viewfull=1#post762577

drobbah
02-06-2022, 09:01 PM
Last time I checked. I have only come across one J2a match. J1 is much more common among my matches. https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?9846-Y-DNA-in-Somali-Benadiris&p=762577&viewfull=1#post762577
Well after E-V32 & T-M70, J-P58 is the third most common haplogroup among ethnic Somalis.I also only have one Horner match who carries J2 but he is Harari that has substantial Somali admixture.

Deftextra
02-06-2022, 09:30 PM
Well after E-V32 & T-M70, J-P58 is the third most common haplogroup among ethnic Somalis.I also only have one Horner match who carries J2 but he is Harari that has substantial Somali admixture.

Yeah I know :). But given It's high frequency among my matches and given our history, I suspect a good chunk of it might have come directly from foreign ancestors instead via a full Somali one.

drobbah
02-08-2022, 02:06 AM
Yeah I know :). But given It's high frequency among my matches and given our history, I suspect a good chunk of it might have come directly from foreign ancestors instead via a full Somali one.
You are probably right as J-P58 seems more common in Northern/Ethiopian Somalis.Still haven't seen an indigenous ethnic Southern Somali (excluding recent Darood expansionists) that has J-P58.

Flub
03-15-2022, 10:54 PM
Last time I checked. I have only come across one J2a match. J1 is much more common among my matches. https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?9846-Y-DNA-in-Somali-Benadiris&p=762577&viewfull=1#post762577

Yep, his and mine are to be unrelated. His being J-M92 while mine more than likely being J-CTS900 based on the nevgen STR predictor (consistently matching it) and also being negative for that clade on 23&me.