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Liquid
02-10-2022, 10:15 AM
I'm interested in more recentry and noticed someone on the forum classified some of the samples found in the ITA_Rome_Imperial list as "Aegean Greeks", so I thought I'd try make a calculator based around these samples for everyone including Turks, Kurds, Armenians and Assyrians. I added Alalakh for Assyrian, Karluk for Turkish, Maykop for Georgian-like, Kura-Araxes for well Kura_Araxes, Gonur Tepe for Iranic and MA Germanic samples because they were used in the Roman Empire, we benefit from them too, especially in the North-East areas. Give it a try and let me know what you think.

GITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR81,0.108132,0.15436,-0.026398,-0.063308,0.005232,-0.027052,0.000705,0.008307,-0.001432,0.025149,0.005521,-0.003897,-0.002825,-0.005367,-0.010315,-0.001989,0.012126,0.004307,0.008422,0.001501,-0.010856,0.001484,0.00419,-0.001205,-0.001197
GITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR69,0.120652,0.146236,-0.016593,-0.05168,0.004308,-0.019522,-0.0047,-0.007846,-0.021884,0.027882,0.000325,0.01079,-0.014271,-0.003853,-0.020087,0.007558,0.034161,0.003421,0.010559,0.006 003,-0.008111,0.001855,-0.005916,-0.005422,-0.007185
GITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR50,0.100164,0.150298,-0.024136,-0.049742,0.008309,-0.009203,0.00141,-0.000692,-0.005113,0.014214,0.000974,0.002997,0.00223,0.0050 92,-0.003257,-0.012198,-0.009648,0.007601,0.006159,-0.008379,0,0.007419,0.001972,0.000602,0.001557
GITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR44,0.117238,0.167562,-0.028284,-0.070737,0.004616,-0.019522,0.001175,-0.006692,-0.003886,0.034807,0.006333,0.008243,-0.013379,0.001651,-0.009229,-0.004508,0.017211,-0.00038,-0.003268,-0.007003,-0.000873,0.000618,0.001479,0.008314,0.001437
GITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR436,0.119514,0.145221,-0.016216,-0.044897,0.00954,-0.015897,-0.00376,-0.008307,0.001841,0.014214,0.003573,0.005695,-0.004162,-0.011285,-0.011536,0.00716,0.02021,0,0.00352,0.001626,-0.000873,0.010881,0.001109,0.003615,-0.000479
GITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR40,0.105855,0.151314,-0.023004,-0.060078,0.001539,-0.013666,-0.00141,-0.004846,-0.012067,0.027882,0.007307,0.003447,-0.010555,0.000275,-0.017236,-0.000796,0.000261,-0.00076,-0.002388,-0.01113,-0.004742,0.000371,-0.013188,0.004338,-0.000359
GITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR39,0.111547,0.142174,-0.022627,-0.065892,0.002462,-0.020638,-0.00141,-0.006923,-0.004295,0.028064,0.007795,0.004796,-0.005798,0.000138,-0.013843,0.000796,0.006519,0.001394,-0.000628,0.004002,-0.00262,0.000989,-0.00037,-0.006386,-0.000838
GITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR1545,0.105855,0.153345,-0.032809,-0.065569,0.001231,-0.016733,-0.00141,-0.000923,-0.006136,0.019864,0.002436,0.003597,-0.007136,-0.000275,-0.015472,-0.015911,-0.008214,-0.002027,0.005028,-0.007629,0.000499,0.011747,-0.005176,0.005784,-0.007065
GITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR123,0.10927,0.146236,-0.032432,-0.056202,0.008617,-0.030957,0.009635,-0.007615,-0.011862,0.025331,0.007307,0.006444,-0.007284,-0.000413,-0.012486,0.009944,0.015385,-0.005068,-0.004148,-0.010505,0.000499,0.003586,-0.004807,0.001807,0.001197
GITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR115,0.105855,0.145221,-0.02225,-0.065892,-0.001846,-0.01255,0.00188,0.002538,-0.00225,0.019317,0.002598,0.006294,-0.005054,0.001927,-0.011401,-0.001724,0.009127,-0.000253,0.003645,-0.011631,-0.007112,0.004328,-0.003821,0.004699,-0.003952
GITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR114,0.112685,0.146236,-0.018102,-0.051357,0.007078,-0.010319,-0.005405,-0.010384,0.000614,0.008565,-0.00341,0.01094,-0.003865,0.001376,-0.006107,-0.013789,-0.009648,0.005194,0.003897,-0.007504,-0.004367,0.006677,0.006532,0.003976,-0.000239
GITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR43,0.111547,0.153345,-0.032809,-0.067184,0.003693,-0.025379,0.00423,-0.006,-0.007976,0.029704,0.003248,0.011839,-0.014717,0.006881,-0.017101,-0.000663,0.017341,0.003167,0.005028,-0.000625,-0.010981,0.010881,-0.003204,0.010001,-0.00012
GITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR66,0.111547,0.158423,-0.033187,-0.06783,0.002154,-0.026216,0.00094,-0.002538,-0.013703,0.025331,0.012991,-0.004196,-0.001041,0.00523,-0.022937,-0.014983,-0.005867,0.000507,0.004902,-0.015257,-0.005241,0.00272,-0.003451,0.00253,0.000958
GITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR78,0.113823,0.157407,-0.031301,-0.079458,0.002154,-0.03012,-0.000705,-0.007846,-0.007772,0.019317,0.002436,0.005095,-0.009366,0.008395,-0.013436,-0.017369,-0.002217,0.000253,0.010936,-0.006503,-0.007237,-0.000989,-0.006286,-0.000482,0.005389
GITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR72,0.113823,0.145221,-0.033564,-0.073321,-0.003693,-0.030957,0.008695,-0.008538,-0.005931,0.028976,0.009256,0.005545,0.002676,0.002 202,-0.010315,-0.002254,0.007432,0.002027,0.005908,-0.002501,0.000749,0.002968,-0.008504,-0.001566,0.006107
GITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR71,0.10927,0.158423,-0.044123,-0.068153,-0.003693,-0.029841,0.001645,-0.00923,-0.013294,0.022051,0.001949,0.002698,-0.014123,0.003853,-0.020087,-0.011005,0.009648,0.002407,0.002137,0.005503,-0.004866,-0.00643,0.002588,0.007591,-0.003473
GITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR128,0.118376,0.150298,-0.033187,-0.052326,-0.006463,-0.022311,0.001175,-0.011538,-0.018612,0.018953,0.005034,0.006294,-0.007433,0.014588,-0.019137,-0.012994,-0.007171,0.004561,0.003897,-0.013256,-0.003244,0.000618,0.005423,-0.000361,-0.008622
KAZ_Karluk:DA222,0.064879,-0.158423,0.023004,0.000969,-0.05601,-0.00753,0.00658,0.014999,-0.01493,-0.010934,-0.018188,0.001649,0,-0.004266,0.0076,-0.000928,-0.006519,0.005448,0.01081,0.001501,-0.015473,-0.003586,-0.003328,-0.004579,0.005987
KAZ_Karluk:DA230,0.061464,-0.145221,0.011691,-0.002584,-0.037545,0.001673,0.00329,0.009461,-0.01718,-0.009476,-0.021922,-0.003297,0,-0.001101,0.013979,-0.006895,-0.020992,0.002914,0.003771,-0.005378,-0.004492,-0.000742,0.00037,0.000602,0.002155
Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps:ARM001,0.102441,0.137096,-0.076178,-0.039406,-0.046778,-0.00251,0.012691,-0.010153,-0.065039,-0.01877,-0.002111,0.012289,-0.020961,0.009083,0.00285,-0.016309,-0.012517,-0.008361,0.000251,0.000875,0.00287,-0.002349,-0.013188,-0.008676,-0.001197
Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps:ARM002-003,0.100164,0.128972,-0.065242,-0.047804,-0.052933,-0.015897,0.003525,-0.013153,-0.067697,-0.01385,0.008282,0.009741,-0.018731,0.002615,0.005565,-0.00411,0.012256,0.000507,-0.003645,0.005628,0.004118,0.001855,0.005793,-0.009519,-0.00491
DEU_MA:AED_106,0.125205,0.133034,0.064865,0.067184 ,0.03416,0.020917,0.00517,0.008769,0.002863,-0.009476,-0.006171,0.002548,-0.012042,-0.006193,0.019544,0.008486,0.015255,-0.006968,-0.015964,0.005503,-0.003244,0.012736,-0.017378,0.005422,-0.000239
DEU_MA:AED_1135,0.110408,0.132019,0.036204,0.03972 9,0.022466,0.008925,0.011751,0.006461,-0.00409,0.001822,-0.007145,0.003297,-0.001487,-0.004129,-0.003257,-0.004906,-0.006258,0.006714,0.009553,0.010755,-0.000998,0.006677,0.013804,0.003735,0.003233
DEU_MA:AED_249,0.125205,0.126941,0.071653,0.04845, 0.043085,0.023706,0.020211,0.001385,0.003477,-0.01057,-0.011854,-0.002398,-0.009663,0.003303,0.019679,-0.002784,-0.026598,-0.001774,0.004148,0.00988,0.01697,-0.006554,0.000123,0.007953,0.010658
DEU_MA:ALH_1,0.118376,0.129988,0.06939,0.051034,0. 048009,0.023148,0.014101,-0.000692,0.006136,-0.001822,-0.002436,0.003447,-0.008474,-0.012248,0.012486,0.008088,-0.005215,0.004307,0.00817,0.009755,0.009858,0.0046 99,0.001725,0.002771,-0.002395
DEU_MA:ALH_10,0.12862,0.132019,0.065242,0.047481,0 .045239,0.023985,0.006345,-0.002308,0.002863,0.004009,0.001461,0.003447,-0.011298,0.004679,0.019137,-0.002254,-0.02386,0.010135,0.005279,-0.009254,0.003868,0.012736,-0.003328,0.012291,-0.000239
DEU_MA:ALH_3,0.12862,0.112724,0.061848,0.038114,0. 036007,0.018686,0.00094,-0.002308,-0.006749,-0.011116,-0.002436,-0.004046,-0.009812,-0.002202,0.017101,0.002652,-0.01695,0.006208,0,-5e-04,0.003993,0.001113,0.009983,0.015303,-0.010538
DEU_MA:NW_255,0.118376,0.140143,0.060716,0.049742, 0.041546,0.006693,0.020681,0.015692,-0.004909,-0.000364,-0.004384,0.007793,-0.012339,-0.003441,0.026194,-0.006099,-0.025164,0.0019,0.014581,0.003252,0.004617,-0.003833,0.008874,0.023136,-0.001796
DEU_MA:STR_316,0.125205,0.12491,0.071653,0.057494, 0.040315,0.03012,0.019976,-0.004154,0.000205,0,-0.010718,0.003297,-0.012487,-0.004129,0.028501,-0.008751,-0.019036,0.007095,0.006285,0.002876,-0.001373,0.00915,0.000493,0.01928,-0.00455
DEU_MA:STR_480,0.122929,0.135065,0.062979,0.033269 ,0.044931,0.02259,0.00188,0.017307,0.003068,0.0080 18,0.009256,0.000599,0.003271,-0.019405,0.015065,-0.000663,0.002608,0.007601,-0.001257,-0.000375,0.019091,-0.000866,-0.001849,0.010001,0.002515
DEU_MA:STR_486,0.120652,0.137096,0.04714,0.055233, 0.042162,0.020638,0.008695,0.011999,0.010431,-0.005467,-0.002923,-0.006894,-0.017245,0.005367,0.007193,-0.002121,-0.028293,-0.002534,0.010559,0.008379,0.007237,0.001484,-0.01972,0.011568,-0.001078
TKM_Gonur1_BA_o:I1783,0.093335,0.037575,-0.038843,0.099484,-0.099095,0.036814,-0.002115,-0.010384,-0.061357,-0.06196,0.008119,-0.001798,0.007582,-0.033993,0.024158,0.013392,-0.014864,-0.003294,0.008296,-0.015257,-0.004866,0.006059,0.006409,-0.001687,0.004071
TKM_Gonur1_BA:I10410,0.073985,0.078196,-0.111251,-0.001615,-0.095402,0.022032,0.00893,-0.010615,-0.056449,-0.04811,-0.002273,0.004046,-0.011298,-0.010735,0.019001,0.041235,0.003781,0.004814,0.002 263,-0.012381,-0.00861,-0.002349,-0.003451,-0.009037,0.015687
TKM_Gonur1_BA:I10411,0.079676,0.079211,-0.126335,0.013566,-0.107097,0.032351,0.022796,0.005769,-0.080582,-0.049568,0.00341,-0.006444,-0.002379,-0.002615,0.02728,0.031556,0.015255,-0.007855,0.006285,-0.022011,-0.002496,-0.015828,-0.012325,-0.016508,0.007305
TKM_Gonur1_BA:I1781,0.076261,0.083273,-0.112005,-0.005168,-0.092325,0.019522,0.015041,-0.007615,-0.067084,-0.035536,-0.005684,-0.006894,-0.009812,-0.012248,0.029316,0.012729,-0.022817,-0.002534,0.006411,-0.037143,0.000125,-0.016693,-0.006409,-0.011809,0.011735
TKM_Gonur1_BA:I1782,0.088782,0.073118,-0.101823,0.016796,-0.10525,0.029005,0.004935,-0.013846,-0.068311,-0.039181,-0.012504,0.000749,-0.005946,-0.00578,0.016829,0.0297,-0.012778,-0.003547,-0.003142,-0.02076,-0.005116,-0.018053,-0.013188,-0.004579,0.012334
TKM_Gonur1_BA:I1784,0.076261,0.070072,-0.112382,0.00969,-0.103712,0.023427,0.013161,-0.004846,-0.061971,-0.032438,-0.002436,0.007793,-0.000892,-0.004542,0.017915,0.023601,-0.004563,0.005954,0.009804,-0.023886,0.006239,-0.011129,-0.007272,-0.023738,0.013053
TKM_Gonur1_BA:I1788,0.081953,0.07718,-0.115399,-0.009044,-0.096941,0.013666,-0.002585,-0.004384,-0.070356,-0.036629,-0.006658,-0.004796,-0.003271,0.00523,0.011129,0.017767,-0.008996,-0.004941,-0.000251,-0.020135,-0.003619,-0.007048,0.001849,-0.018075,0.018202
TKM_Gonur1_BA:I1790,0.072847,0.080227,-0.119547,0.010982,-0.103096,0.011435,0.00705,-0.006,-0.057471,-0.031345,-0.001137,-0.002398,0.001635,-0.007432,0.022665,0.018828,-0.011604,-0.00038,0.014581,-0.026513,-0.007612,-0.012984,-0.002711,-0.012291,0.010179
TKM_Gonur1_BA:I1793,0.097888,0.067025,-0.112382,0.015827,-0.072013,0.019243,0.004465,-0.009923,-0.053176,-0.032985,-0.001624,0.019483,-0.005946,-0.018717,-0.00095,0.021347,-0.005867,-0.003041,0.004022,-0.012006,0.008111,-0.014591,0.00419,-0.009278,0.000359
TKM_Gonur1_BA:I2085,0.081953,0.09546,-0.07995,0.001615,-0.100634,0.010598,-0.004935,-0.013153,-0.066266,-0.043008,0.000325,0.013638,-0.006838,-0.019267,0.01045,0.033413,0.011604,-0.005194,0.000126,-0.022386,0.004367,-0.013725,0.011462,-0.015183,0.001916
TKM_Gonur1_BA:I2116,0.087644,0.087336,-0.120679,0.00646,-0.102788,0.026495,0.002585,-0.006692,-0.059516,-0.050844,-0.004222,0.002398,-0.003122,0.001789,0.016829,0.006099,-0.012126,0.003927,0.009553,-0.028138,-0.001996,-0.020897,-0.006532,-0.021449,0.018801
TKM_Gonur1_BA:I2121,0.071709,0.082258,-0.119924,0.004845,-0.10802,0.015618,0.014101,-0.004846,-0.071583,-0.048657,0.007795,0.002997,0.000743,0.001789,0.023 072,0.030496,-0.003781,0.012289,-0.00352,-0.03164,-0.008235,-0.01929,0.003081,-0.032414,0.004431
TKM_Gonur1_BA:I3374,0.068294,0.073118,-0.100314,0.035853,-0.09571,0.029005,-0.00141,0.000923,-0.05379,-0.041185,-0.001786,0.001199,-0.01888,-0.005092,0.026194,0.031954,-0.005607,0.009375,0.008422,-0.022011,-0.006114,-0.019166,0.011462,-0.014701,0.020118
TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA001,0.094473,0.152329,-0.059585,-0.08721,-0.011694,-0.036535,0.00235,-0.003692,-0.000409,0.013668,0.010555,-0.007643,0.006541,0.007982,-0.016151,0.012596,-0.000913,-0.000127,0.008422,-0.004127,0.004243,-0.003957,-0.004683,0,-0.003832
TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA002,0.099026,0.142174,-0.056945,-0.093024,-0.017234,-0.025937,0.000235,-0.006,0.001227,0.018406,0.005196,0.001199,0.007582 ,0.011973,-0.009365,-0.002121,-0.011604,-0.000253,0.003017,-0.008629,-0.002995,-0.000495,-0.002835,-0.010001,-0.002634
TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA004,0.095611,0.144205,-0.060339,-0.097869,-0.012925,-0.033746,-0.00047,-0.006692,-0.002863,0.006014,0.005359,-0.007643,0.008325,0.009634,-0.007193,0.003713,-0.007171,0.003674,0.014078,0.003377,0.006738,0.002 844,-0.003944,-0.003976,0.006826
TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA008,0.094473,0.152329,-0.064865,-0.094639,-0.019388,-0.043507,0.00611,-0.004615,0.00409,0.011845,0.00747,-0.001349,0.007879,0.007982,-0.020494,0.001193,-0.012386,-0.005068,0.014581,-0.001751,0.003244,0.0115,-0.002958,0.00494,-0.002515
TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA011,0.094473,0.14319,-0.059962,-0.095931,-0.016003,-0.023427,0.003055,-0.005538,0.007976,0.013485,0.007307,-0.010191,0.007879,0.009221,-0.006515,-0.009812,-0.007171,0.003041,0.017598,-0.01088,0.000374,0.007666,-0.009737,-0.010122,0.005029
TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA013,0.093335,0.151314,-0.060716,-0.088502,-0.005539,-0.028726,-0.006815,-0.009461,-0.007567,0.016401,0.010393,-0.00015,0.013379,-0.002064,-0.013979,0,0.004042,0.001394,0.009804,-0.007754,0.004243,0.007172,0.000863,-0.006386,-0.000359
TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA014,0.093335,0.151314,-0.064111,-0.099161,-0.016618,-0.040718,0.003525,0.001615,0.001636,0.010387,0.010 068,-0.004646,0.009366,0.003028,-0.006786,0.003447,-0.000391,0.005574,0.003897,-0.004002,0.004742,-0.001978,-0.008627,-0.007591,-0.000718
TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA015,0.097888,0.148267,-0.065242,-0.0969,-0.018465,-0.033467,0.00047,-0.004846,0.000818,0.007836,0.017863,-0.003297,0.010109,0.008808,-0.010586,0,-0.018775,-0.008235,0.006034,-0.001626,-0.004617,-0.000866,-0.00986,-0.005061,0.001796
TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA016,0.099026,0.156392,-0.057699,-0.08721,-0.016003,-0.027331,0.006815,-0.004846,-0.011658,0.013485,0.003248,0.005095,0.002825,0.000 688,-0.007736,0.006762,0.003912,0.005954,0.005405,-0.003752,0.009608,0.022505,-0.006162,-0.000843,0.001557
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TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA018,0.097888,0.140143,-0.053551,-0.070091,-0.030775,-0.036535,-0.001645,-0.001846,-0.013908,0.007472,0.009256,0.002098,0.002676,0.001 789,-0.012079,0.01432,0.014342,-0.00266,0.004274,-0.000125,0.010357,0.001855,-0.011709,-0.005181,0.00012
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TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA026,0.08992,0.156392,-0.062602,-0.091086,-0.016311,-0.036256,-0.001175,-0.002538,0.005727,0.011845,0.013153,-0.015736,0.013082,0.003991,-0.011943,0.001458,-0.01369,0.006588,0.010056,0.000875,0.004866,0.0021 02,-0.000246,0.000964,0.007305
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TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA029,0.093335,0.152329,-0.059585,-0.092055,-0.013541,-0.032351,0.00094,-0.000231,-0.004295,0.014032,0.005359,-0.003447,0.00446,0.010459,-0.010586,-0.011138,-0.002868,0.003547,-0.006285,-0.006503,-0.004991,0.000866,-0.006532,-0.009158,-0.005029
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48395

chum
02-10-2022, 10:23 AM
Target: Turkish_Southwest:Turkish_Southwest5
Distance: 0.0192% / 0.01917001
42.0 KAZ_Karluk
23.1 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA
18.5 GITA_Rome_Imperial
11.8 DEU_MA
4.6 TKM_Gonur1_BA

bovefex
02-10-2022, 10:35 AM
Target: Turkish_Southwest:Turkish_Southwest5
Distance: 0.0192% / 0.01917001
42.0 KAZ_Karluk
23.1 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA
18.5 GITA_Rome_Imperial
11.8 DEU_MA
4.6 TKM_Gonur1_BA

That is a huge amount of KAZ_Karluk for a modern Anatolian Turk. Could that individual be a Yörük?

chum
02-10-2022, 10:36 AM
That is a huge amount of KAZ_Karluk for a modern Anatolian Turk. Could that individual be a Yörük?

I think so, that's why I tried him/her in particular

Liquid
02-10-2022, 11:01 AM
That is a huge amount of KAZ_Karluk for a modern Anatolian Turk. Could that individual be a Yörük?

I thought that too, I think many Yoruks settled in the Southwest area, he looks like he moved along the South coast before settling there.

This one is me

Target: Liquid_scaled
Distance: 1.5098% / 0.01509768 | R4P
47.0 GITA_Rome_Imperial
24.0 KAZ_Karluk
19.6 RUS_Maykop_Novosvobodnaya
9.4 DEU_MA

chum
02-10-2022, 11:29 AM
I thought that too, I think many Yoruks settled in the Southeast area, he looks like he moved along the South coast before settling there.

I think you might have meant Southwest, Yörüks are mostly in the Western half of Anatolia
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Liquid
02-10-2022, 08:49 PM
I think you might have meant Southwest, Yörüks are mostly in the Western half of Anatolia
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Yes of course, villages in the Antalya and Marmaris areas first sprung to my mind

Liquid
02-10-2022, 09:24 PM
Does anyone know of a more recent sample, found in the ancient list, which can be used in lieu of the BA RUS_Maykop_Novosvobodnaya to estimate ancestry from the Caucasus? Maykop is a little too pure and distant for this calculator, much happened in the area between the BA period and 0 AD.

Onur Dincer
02-11-2022, 09:59 PM
I'm interested in more recentry and noticed someone on the forum classified some of the samples found in the ITA_Rome_Imperial list as "Aegean Greeks", so I thought I'd try make a calculator based around these samples for everyone including Turks, Kurds, Armenians and Assyrians. I added Alalakh for Assyrian, Karluk for Turkish, Maykop for Georgian-like, Kura-Araxes for well Kura_Araxes, Gonur Tepe for Iranic and MA Germanic samples because they were used in the Roman Empire, we benefit from them too, especially in the North-East areas. Give it a try and let me know what you think.

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GITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR69,0.120652,0.146236,-0.016593,-0.05168,0.004308,-0.019522,-0.0047,-0.007846,-0.021884,0.027882,0.000325,0.01079,-0.014271,-0.003853,-0.020087,0.007558,0.034161,0.003421,0.010559,0.006 003,-0.008111,0.001855,-0.005916,-0.005422,-0.007185
GITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR50,0.100164,0.150298,-0.024136,-0.049742,0.008309,-0.009203,0.00141,-0.000692,-0.005113,0.014214,0.000974,0.002997,0.00223,0.0050 92,-0.003257,-0.012198,-0.009648,0.007601,0.006159,-0.008379,0,0.007419,0.001972,0.000602,0.001557
GITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR44,0.117238,0.167562,-0.028284,-0.070737,0.004616,-0.019522,0.001175,-0.006692,-0.003886,0.034807,0.006333,0.008243,-0.013379,0.001651,-0.009229,-0.004508,0.017211,-0.00038,-0.003268,-0.007003,-0.000873,0.000618,0.001479,0.008314,0.001437
GITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR436,0.119514,0.145221,-0.016216,-0.044897,0.00954,-0.015897,-0.00376,-0.008307,0.001841,0.014214,0.003573,0.005695,-0.004162,-0.011285,-0.011536,0.00716,0.02021,0,0.00352,0.001626,-0.000873,0.010881,0.001109,0.003615,-0.000479
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I think you should add the Koan and Dodecanese Greeks to your target samples for they better represent Western Anatolian Greeks than the Smyrnian Greeks, who have recent ancestry from many different places, including the Greek mainland. You can also add the Cappadocian Greek samples.

Onur Dincer
02-11-2022, 10:08 PM
I think you might have meant Southwest, Yörüks are mostly in the Western half of Anatolia
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The map is obviously wrong when it comes to the Chepnis. The Chepnis were concentrated in areas like Giresun and eastern Ordu. In Trabzon and further east they had a significant presence only in westernmost Trabzon, around Şalpazarı and Beşikdüzü.

eolien
02-12-2022, 09:45 PM
I'm interested in more recentry and noticed someone on the forum classified some of the samples found in the ITA_Rome_Imperial list as "Aegean Greeks", so I thought I'd try make a calculator based around these samples for everyone including Turks, Kurds, Armenians and Assyrians. I added Alalakh for Assyrian, Karluk for Turkish, Maykop for Georgian-like, Kura-Araxes for well Kura_Araxes, Gonur Tepe for Iranic and MA Germanic samples because they were used in the Roman Empire, we benefit from them too, especially in the North-East areas. Give it a try and let me know what you think.



Although all these Rome Imperial ones can be considered Aegean Greek (our greek friends are fond of adding to every concept the term 'greek') if we look carefully by distances in vahaduo and by PCA, we can come to the conclusion that one of them (RMPR39) is inside the modern Kos samples, with very close distance whereas 2 others (RMPR128 and RMPR71) are closer to modern Cappadocian Greek samples than Kos-Dodecanese(Rhodes?) samples. Interestingly in PCA these 2 Imperial samples are located between Cappadocians and Aegean Islanders but outside of both groups.

So I had the idea that maybe these 2 represent the first western Anatolian Greek samples. It would be interesting to test ancestry estimates with the average of these 2 instead of Izmir (which BTW is closer to Macedonia or Peloponnes in PCA). However we know that most coastal Greeks originated from Aegean islands and Greek mainland due to high migration in the 19th century. It would be interesting to find out if North Aegean islands such as Lesbos would have a different genetic profile.

Can you tell me which Alalakh sample you used and why do you think it is a proxy for Assyrians. Honestly until now I thought Alalakh was closer to northern Syria and Cilicia.

hantrolugharsts
02-13-2022, 03:10 AM
Target: hantro_scaled
Distance: 0.0481% / 0.04805543
50.1 DEU_MA:ALH_1
22.4 GITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR44
17.1 DEU_MA:STR_480
10.4 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA017


Target: Father_scaled
Distance: 0.0491% / 0.04906858
41.8 DEU_MA:ALH_1
25.5 GITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR44
24.5 DEU_MA:STR_480
4.9 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA017
3.3 GITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR39

Liquid
02-14-2022, 12:00 AM
Although all these Rome Imperial ones can be considered Aegean Greek (our greek friends are fond of adding to every concept the term 'greek')...

They were really successful at spreading their language, let's give them credit for that and remember that we took our revenge in a way, so it's 1-1. Also, it's economical to cut through the chase rather than categorising them as 'Native Anatolians' to later admit they were 'Hellenized Anatolians', which means they were

If you have a look at the PCA plot below, the person who picked these samples out on the active 'Greek Discussion Thread' was careful to form a tightly packed group, he probably did this by deleting those with WHG, high Yamnaya, high Caucasus etc. The group is found approximately where the Trabzon-Cappadocia and Peloponnese-Crete-Izmir clines overlap. You could tighten up the group even further by examining their Barcin/Yamnaya/etc proportions but you need to have a pre-Turkic, Western Anatolian Greek sample(s) to compare to or use other reasoning.

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Can you tell me which Alalakh sample you used and why do you think it is a proxy for Assyrians. Honestly until now I thought Alalakh was closer to northern Syria and Cilicia.

Firstly out of necessity, we don't have 'true' Assyrians from North Iraq or their final iteration, Neo-Assyrians, or do we?

Secondly, the authors who studied the Alalakh samples think that, based on archeological and textual evidence, the most likely genetic source of the Alalakh is Northern Mesopotamia, or in other words the Hurrians and the Amorites, during the 'international' era of the Fertile Crescent where much mixing happened. The same authors did an aDNA analysis and found the Alalakh people can be modelled as a 50-50 mix between Levant_CHL (Israel probably) and Azerbaijan_CHL (also known as Iran_CHL), if you draw a line between those two sites the central point won't be that far off Old Assyrian territory, very scientific I know.

Not that Alalakh was never part of Assyria. The original Alalakh site was destroyed by the Hittites and taken over by Mitanni, the unification of Yamhad, which Alalakh was part of, and Old Assyrian Empire territory. Mitanni was then divided by the Hittites and the Middle Assyrian Empire before the Bronze Age Collapse wiped out the Hittites leaving the Assyrians free to reunify Yamhad and Old Assyrian Empire territory into the Neo-Assyrian Empire, which limped to about 200AD, when Greeks, Romans and Ottomans moved into the area. In the first image I posted, Alalakh peaks in the modern Assyrians, then Kurds and Armenians, it appears they left their mark being assimilated by later groups after the final Assyrian state was taken over.

Liquid
02-14-2022, 12:26 AM
I think you should add the Koan and Dodecanese Greeks to your target samples for they better represent Western Anatolian Greeks than the Smyrnian Greeks, who have recent ancestry from many different places, including the Greek mainland. You can also add the Cappadocian Greek samples.

Target: Greek_Cappadocia
Distance: 0.5011% / 0.00501099 | R5P
47.2 GITA_Rome_Imperial
31.2 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA
11.0 RUS_Maykop_Novosvobodnaya
5.8 DEU_MA
4.8 TKM_Gonur1_BA

They have a healthy dose of Iranian.

Target: Greek_Crete
Distance: 0.5810% / 0.00581028 | R3P
59.6 GITA_Rome_Imperial
23.0 DEU_MA
17.4 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA

Target: Greek_Dodecanese
Distance: 0.5962% / 0.00596197 | R3P
68.0 GITA_Rome_Imperial
21.4 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA
10.6 DEU_MA

Target: Greek_Peloponnese
Distance: 1.6956% / 0.01695569 | R3P
69.8 GITA_Rome_Imperial
27.2 DEU_MA
3.0 WHG

The Peloponnese are missing something, not sure what.

Liquid
02-14-2022, 12:40 AM
I think you should add the Koan and Dodecanese Greeks to your target samples for they better represent Western Anatolian Greeks than the Smyrnian Greeks, who have recent ancestry from many different places, including the Greek mainland. You can also add the Cappadocian Greek samples.

The Peloponnese and Izmir Greeks are virtually identical... Is that right?

Distance to: Greek_Peloponnese
0.01613226 Greek_Izmir

Target: Greek_Peloponnese
Distance: 2.2557% / 0.02255705 | R4P
51.2 Anatolia_Neolithic_Farmer_TUR_Barcin_N
34.6 Pontic_Steppe_Yamnaya_Pastoralist_Yamnaya_RUS_Sama ra
10.6 Levant_Neolithic_Farmer_Levant_PPNB
3.6 Iran_Neolithic_Farmer_IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N

Target: Greek_Izmir
Distance: 1.7911% / 0.01791059 | R4P
52.2 Anatolia_Neolithic_Farmer_TUR_Barcin_N
30.2 Pontic_Steppe_Yamnaya_Pastoralist_Yamnaya_RUS_Sama ra
9.8 Levant_Neolithic_Farmer_Levant_PPNB
7.8 Iran_Neolithic_Farmer_IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N

Izmir just has slightly less Yamnaya and more Iran_N.

Onur Dincer
02-15-2022, 11:48 PM
The Peloponnese and Izmir Greeks are virtually identical... Is that right?

Distance to: Greek_Peloponnese
0.01613226 Greek_Izmir

Target: Greek_Peloponnese
Distance: 2.2557% / 0.02255705 | R4P
51.2 Anatolia_Neolithic_Farmer_TUR_Barcin_N
34.6 Pontic_Steppe_Yamnaya_Pastoralist_Yamnaya_RUS_Sama ra
10.6 Levant_Neolithic_Farmer_Levant_PPNB
3.6 Iran_Neolithic_Farmer_IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N

Target: Greek_Izmir
Distance: 1.7911% / 0.01791059 | R4P
52.2 Anatolia_Neolithic_Farmer_TUR_Barcin_N
30.2 Pontic_Steppe_Yamnaya_Pastoralist_Yamnaya_RUS_Sama ra
9.8 Levant_Neolithic_Farmer_Levant_PPNB
7.8 Iran_Neolithic_Farmer_IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N

Izmir just has slightly less Yamnaya and more Iran_N.

Yes, Izmir Greeks have more CHG or Iran N stuff and less steppe and BHG or WHG stuff than Peloponnesian Greeks. You can check out their more basal level scores here:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1g0D3ckjJonQjMH8aSu3BhSqCtx8GTAN0TxxDZO5vkB8/edit#gid=0

Liquid
02-16-2022, 01:50 PM
Yes, Izmir Greeks have more CHG or Iran N stuff and less steppe and BHG or WHG stuff than Peloponnesian Greeks. You can check out their more basal level scores here:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1g0D3ckjJonQjMH8aSu3BhSqCtx8GTAN0TxxDZO5vkB8/edit#gid=0

These are microscopic differences, they are the same people. Look at the distance between mother and son:

Distance to: Mother_scaled
0.03918318 Son_scaled

Onur Dincer
02-16-2022, 03:42 PM
These are microscopic differences, they are the same people. Look at the distance between mother and son:

Distance to: Mother_scaled
0.03918318 Son_scaled

Parents and children can have huge genetic distances though, especially in racially mixed marriages. As for the Izmir Greeks, the bulk of their ancestry seems to come from the Greek mainland and the Aegean islands because of the Greek migrations to the Western Anatolian coasts from the Greek mainland and the Aegean islands during the late 18th and early 19th centuries.

Liquid
02-17-2022, 04:45 PM
Parents and children can have huge genetic distances though, especially in racially mixed marriages. As for the Izmir Greeks, the bulk of their ancestry seems to come from the Greek mainland and the Aegean islands because of the Greek migrations to the Western Anatolian coasts from the Greek mainland and the Aegean islands during the late 18th and early 19th centuries.

That's an odd date range, just when the Greek independence movement was reaching fruition in mainland Greece, do we know what drove these people to relocate Izmir during that time?

eolien
02-17-2022, 09:04 PM
That's an odd date range, just when the Greek independence movement was reaching fruition in mainland Greece, do we know what drove these people to relocate Izmir during that time?

After Orlov revolt many Peloponnes people were forced to settle in western Anatolia. After greek independence the border was first south of Thessaly and then north of it. Mainly economic opportunities draw people to western Anatolia. Needless to explain the reason of migration from the islands.