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R.Rocca
05-23-2014, 08:56 PM
FGC10543 and FGC10536 are now available for testing via FamilyTreeDNA. FGC10543, FGC10536 and FGC10516 have been available from YSEQ.net for about a month or so.

As many of you know, I share these three SNPs with an anonymous L2+ Sardinian kit. So far, the following Z49- Z367- kits have FGC10543 on order via FamilyTreeDNA:

No. 207656, Fedele Fiera NPE, b. 1850, Capua, Caserta, Campania, Italy
No. 289155, Frednando Boreali b.1890, Fiume Serchio, Lucca, Italy
No. N86065, Angelo Ardoino,b.1891, Bonassola, La Spezia, Italy
No. N76453, Angelo Tollari, 1832, Montefiorino, Modena, Emilia-Romagna, Italy
No. N113294, Luigi Taruffi, b. 1888, Bologna, Emilia-Romagna, Italy
No. B3593, Simeone Simonetti de Simon ~1655, Zoppé di Cadoré, Belluno, Veneto, Italy

Of course, some of these might belong to DF103, DF90, etc., so we'll have to wait and see.

The following two have ordered all three SNPs from YSEQ.net:

184305 Biasio Pazia (Fiaschi), b. ~1390, Viterbo, Italy
B3002 Martin Burkart b.1590 d.1664, Bühl, Baden, Germany

The Burkart kit is already negative for FGC10543.

Alessio B. Bedini
05-24-2014, 09:10 AM
Ugh .. if Burkart kit is also negative for FGC10543 then I will also be ... :(

R.Rocca
05-24-2014, 12:50 PM
Ugh .. if Burkart kit is also negative for FGC10543 then I will also be ... :(

There are several papers that have come out in the last six months that say that STR distance is almost useless for P312 subclades because of the rapid expansion that it experienced. In your own example, of the your 14 closest matches (closer than Burkart), only one is L2+Z49-Z367- and all the rest are Z49+ or Z367 or Z36+ or Z56+ etc.

The same is with my kit. My top two matches for years were Bartold (now DF103+) and Solomon (now Z49+). If we go outside our group, my top 20 matches in YSearch are all L21+, DF27+ or U106+.

haleaton
05-24-2014, 01:25 PM
There are several papers that have come out in the last six months that say that STR distance is almost useless for P312 subclades because of the rapid expansion that it experienced. In your own example, of the your 14 closest matches (closer than Burkart), only one is L2+Z49-Z367- and all the rest are Z49+ or Z367 or Z36+ or Z56+ etc.

The same is with my kit. My top two matches for years were Bartold (now DF103+) and Solomon (now Z49+). If we go outside our group, my top 20 matches in YSearch are all L21+, DF27+ or U106+.

It surprised me how quickly STR predictive ability breaks down with distance. Make me worry a little about all the FTDNA predicted Y Haplogroups in STR Surname projects.

[Edit - for example I match L2- samples at GD 7 out of 37 markers however closer than that I match multiple Eaton's who are known paper relatives.]

R.Rocca
05-24-2014, 01:54 PM
It surprised me how quickly STR predictive ability breaks down with distance. Make me worry a little about all the FTDNA predicted Y Haplogroups in STR Surname projects.

[Edit - for example I match L2- samples at GD 7 out of 37 markers however closer than that I match multiple Eaton's who are known paper relatives.]

I have two 65/67 matches in the FTDNA database: one is L21 and U106. My son is "only" a 65/67 match with me. Go figure!

Alessio B. Bedini
05-25-2014, 06:25 AM
I ordered FGC10536 on YSEQ because i could be M9213 as Burkart.

i know that STR distance is almost useless for P312 subclades but I and Burkart have our distance almost all on DYS fast while almost our DYS slow are identical. For this I think there is a bond between us.

If I were M9213 might be important..

R.Rocca
05-25-2014, 12:12 PM
I ordered FGC10536 on YSEQ because i could be M9213 as Burkart.

i know that STR distance is almost useless for P312 subclades but I and Burkart have our distance almost all on DYS fast while almost our DYS slow are identical. For this I think there is a bond between us.

If I were M9213 might be important..

Great to hear that Alessio. Good luck either way.

R.Rocca
05-28-2014, 11:54 PM
FGC10543 and FGC10536 are now available for testing via FamilyTreeDNA. FGC10543, FGC10536 and FGC10516 have been available from YSEQ.net for about a month or so.

As many of you know, I share these three SNPs with an anonymous L2+ Sardinian kit. So far, the following Z49- Z367- kits have FGC10543 on order via FamilyTreeDNA:

No. 207656, Fedele Fiera NPE, b. 1850, Capua, Caserta, Campania, Italy
No. 289155, Frednando Boreali b.1890, Fiume Serchio, Lucca, Italy
No. N86065, Angelo Ardoino,b.1891, Bonassola, La Spezia, Italy
No. N76453, Angelo Tollari, 1832, Montefiorino, Modena, Emilia-Romagna, Italy
No. N113294, Luigi Taruffi, b. 1888, Bologna, Emilia-Romagna, Italy
No. B3593, Simeone Simonetti de Simon ~1655, Zoppé di Cadoré, Belluno, Veneto, Italy

Ordered from YSEQ.net :
No. 184305 Biasio Pazia (Fiaschi), b. ~1390, Viterbo, Italy


The first six kits above are part of batch 572 with a due date of 7/17/2014.

Alessio B. Bedini
06-06-2014, 07:02 PM
My results have been entered by a couple of hours, but unfortunately my YDNA is for FGC10536 C- and for M9213 A+
Rich has checked through many U152+ samples for M9212 and they were all positive, so it is not of value to us.

Within a few days I would do a few more tests.
I did FGC5338, DF90, DF110
I did not make the DF103 because Burkart is negative.
Maybe now I will. :(

R.Rocca
06-23-2014, 09:00 PM
My results have been entered by a couple of hours, but unfortunately my YDNA is for FGC10536 C- and for M9213 A+
Rich has checked through many U152+ samples for M9212 and they were all positive, so it is not of value to us.

Within a few days I would do a few more tests.
I did FGC5338, DF90, DF110
I did not make the DF103 because Burkart is negative.
Maybe now I will. :(

Good luck on your DF103 test Alessio.

R.Rocca
06-24-2014, 03:29 PM
Finally my wait is over! Of the kits that have ordered FGC10543 to date, one has turned up positive:

No. B3593, Simeone Simonetti de Simon ~1655, Zoppé di Cadoré, Belluno, Veneto, Italy

I say unlikeliest because we mismatch on 18 of 37 markers! This of course means this SNP is very old and is not indicated by any STR signature. The closest STR match to Simonetti is kit no. E8413 Paolo Bonfant, b. 1509 in Cembra, Trentino which does have some off-modal values in common.

Of interest, Zoppé di Cadoré is a Ladin speaking community. For those that recall, Coia et al (2013) found L2 makes up very large amounts of U152 in the Ladin speaking populations of North-Eastern Italy:

http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?1695-U152-in-North-East-Italy-(Coia-et-al-2103)&p=22556&viewfull=1#post22556

On the flip side, kit no. N113294 has tested FGC10543- and kit no. 184305 has tested negative for FGC10516, FGC10536 and FGC10543 via YSEQ.

Mikewww
06-24-2014, 04:20 PM
Finally my wait is over! Of the kits that have ordered FGC10543 to date, one has turned up positive:

No. B3593, Simeone Simonetti de Simon ~1655, Zoppé di Cadoré, Belluno, Veneto, Italy

I say unlikeliest because we mismatch on 24 of 37 markers! This of course means this SNP is very old and is not indicated by any STR signature. The closest STR match to Simonetti is kit no. E8413 Paolo Bonfant, b. 1509 in Cembra, Trentino which does have some off-modal values in common.

Of interest, Zoppé di Cadoré is a Ladin speaking community. For those that recall, Coia et al (2013) found L2 makes up very large amounts of U152 in the Ladin speaking populations of North-Eastern Italy:

http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?1695-U152-in-North-East-Italy-(Coia-et-al-2103)&p=22556&viewfull=1#post22556

On the flip side, kit no. N113294 has tested FGC10543- and kit no. 184305 has tested negative for FGC10516, FGC10536 and FGC10543 via YSEQ.

Congratulations. Any discovery of branching is a good thing.

Alessio B. Bedini
06-24-2014, 06:14 PM
Hello Rich, we still have not elements.

Initially I thought that your ancestors had arrived in Sicily by the Normans in the eleventh century.
But now I think there is the possibility that they are in Italy for much longer.

I believe that not all L2 arrived at the same time in Italy.
Some may have arrived even 3000-2000 years before Christ.
Others will surely only in the X-XI century AD.

If your ancestors came a long time ago but certainly have left a "trail". We need to see if there are other FGC10543 along the way from Germany to Sicily.
It will take a few more years.

R.Rocca
06-24-2014, 06:42 PM
Hello Rich, we still have not elements.

Initially I thought that your ancestors had arrived in Sicily by the Normans in the eleventh century.
But now I think there is the possibility that they are in Italy for much longer.

I believe that not all L2 arrived at the same time in Italy.
Some may have arrived even 3000-2000 years before Christ.
Others will surely only in the X-XI century AD.

If your ancestors came a long time ago but certainly have left a "trail". We need to see if there are other FGC10543 along the way from Germany to Sicily.
It will take a few more years.

Samples from the Fiumme and Fassa Valleys from Coia's study are almost all DYS385a=12 or greater, whereas the WAMH modal is DYS385a=11. These values appear across all haplogroups, but not at those levels (95%). Perhaps Simonetti shares a founder with these other samples and they are also FGC10543+. Unfortunately there are not many U152 project samples around that area to test. I have already asked the kit owner of E8413 to test for FGC10543, so we'll see.

As for my ancestors, I think they have been in Italy since at least 2450 BC, so we'll have to wait and see what the data tells us.

Acque agitate
06-24-2014, 10:42 PM
Congratulations to Richard.

I believe that the result is very interesting as it may be an STR guide: DYS442 = 11.

It seems to me that there are some interesting results, focused on the Alps (surely E8413, Paul Bonfant but not only).
It would be very interesting that Simonetti and Bonfant perform a test at FGC or at FTDNA (Big Y).

R.Rocca
06-24-2014, 11:45 PM
Congratulations to Richard.

I believe that the result is very interesting as it may be an STR guide: DYS442 = 11.

It seems to me that there are some interesting results, focused on the Alps (surely E8413, Paul Bonfant but not only).
It would be very interesting that Simonetti and Bonfant perform a test at FGC or at FTDNA (Big Y).

Thank you. I thought the same thing about DYS442=11. There are two samples that have FGC10543 on order that are also DYS442=11 (Tollari and Fiera), so we should be able to validate a possible link shortly.

Simonetti was going to test Big-Y but by the time he decided, the sale was over. Hopefully the next time the sale is in place he will test.

By the way, I think the negative results for these SNPs can also help us find the best candidates to test your SNPs (e.g. Taruffi) when we know which one is at the highest level.

R.Rocca
06-25-2014, 12:52 PM
The kit owner of E8413 (Bonfant) has agreed to test FGC10543 as well. Considering his DYS385a=12, DYS449=27 and DYS442=11, I think there is a good probability he will be positive for it.

Acque agitate
06-26-2014, 10:59 AM
Hello Richard,
I did a quick survey about your potential group.
In my opinion the most probable samples are as follows:
a) E8413: Bonfant. In my opinion it is the most likely (it would be a big surprise to the contrary);
b) N113573; Gosselin. Very likely;
c) E11278; Hafliger;
d) 85 656: Redman;
e) 192 838 Reid;
f) 200256; Brown;
g) 111292; Kuhn;
h) 200132: Pommier;
i) N47171: Plaschg;
l) and N32244 130379: Black;
m) other less likely, but possible;

R.Rocca
06-26-2014, 12:50 PM
Hello Richard,
I did a quick survey about your potential group.
In my opinion the most probable samples are as follows:
a) E8413: Bonfant. In my opinion it is the most likely (it would be a big surprise to the contrary);
b) N113573; Gosselin. Very likely;
c) E11278; Hafliger;
d) 85 656: Redman;
e) 192 838 Reid;
f) 200256; Brown;
g) 111292; Kuhn;
h) 200132: Pommier;
i) N47171: Plaschg;
l) and N32244 130379: Black;
m) other less likely, but possible;

Both Bonfant and Gosselin have ordered FGC10543. Since the genetic distance is so large between my kit and that of Simonetti, I am still hopeful that there are others that match my kit more closely. Perhaps Simonetti belongs to a subclade below FGC10543 that is heaviest in NE Italy that has DYS385a=12, DYS449=27 and DYS442=11, but elsewhere only DYS442=11 is modal? We'll have to wait and see. Either way, I am hoping that we can get a clear enough picture of the geographical distribution to pinpoint who to test next.

R.Rocca
06-26-2014, 03:24 PM
By the way @Acque agitate, two Cognevich kits from Montenegro (no. N28331 and 215375) and another with the surname Lincoln (174343) have recently joined the U152 project and may be of interest to you. N28331 has ordered Big-Y.

Alessio B. Bedini
07-18-2014, 06:56 AM
The fact that FIERA comes from Caserta is very important. It is a link between Friuli and Sicilia.
YSTR of FIERA seem even closer to you than those of Simonetti.

It would be important now to find other connections.
These large distances that separate your YSTR could mean that the road from northern Europe to Sicily was very long and lasted many centuries.

R.Rocca
07-18-2014, 02:03 PM
The fact that FIERA comes from Caserta is very important. It is a link between Friuli and Sicilia.
YSTR of FIERA seem even closer to you than those of Simonetti.

It would be important now to find other connections.
These large distances that separate your YSTR could mean that the road from northern Europe to Sicily was very long and lasted many centuries.

Goglia from Benevento has also ordered and I am almost 100% sure he will also be positive since he shares many off-modal values with my kit. Bonfanti has also ordered and he is very close to Simonetti. It is very difficult to see where the northern and the southern FGC10543 might have split as there is a heavy L2+FGC10543- element on the border between northern and central Italy:

https://mapsengine.google.com/map/edit?mid=zwXzl03fIvN8.ktBIMr5cn1IU

Kwheaton
07-18-2014, 08:36 PM
Regarding FGC10543 With not much prompting from Rich I ordered a test for WHEATON who is DYS385a=12 when YSEQ had their half off sale. Long shot---but a story it would make as Rich said!

WHEATON is British Isles Bristol channel Basin about 16th century or earlier. Awaiting his FGC results in Sept/Oct. Just couldn't wait any longer for something ;-) I ordered on July 14.
Cheers,
Kelly

R.Rocca
07-25-2014, 08:30 PM
Simonetti (kit no. B3593) is now both FGC10543+ and FGC10536+ as per FTDNA testing. He has ordered FGC10516 from YSEQ as it is not available from FTDNA even though its details were submitted to FTDNA months back with FGC10543 and FGC10536.

Continuing with the trend of "STR closeness means very little below L2", my closest match (Goglia kit no. 208100) has tested FGC10543 negative. Also, Gosselin (kit no. N113573) from NW France also tested FGC10543 negative, even though he shares two of the three "Raetian Cluster" values with Simonetti. I was half expecting this as I suspect the cluster may just be confined to NE Italy, Eastern Switzerland and Western Austria. Remaining to be tested are Bonfant from Trentino, Italy and Häfliger from Luzern, Switzerland.

R.Rocca
07-26-2014, 01:33 PM
Simonetti (kit no. B3593) is now both FGC10543+ and FGC10536+ as per FTDNA testing. He has ordered FGC10516 from YSEQ as it is not available from FTDNA even though its details were submitted to FTDNA months back with FGC10543 and FGC10536.

Continuing with the trend of "STR closeness means very little below L2", my closest match (Goglia kit no. 208100) has tested FGC10543 negative. Also, Gosselin (kit no. N113573) from NW France also tested FGC10543 negative, even though he shares two of the three "Raetian Cluster" values with Simonetti. I was half expecting this as I suspect the cluster may just be confined to NE Italy, Eastern Switzerland and Western Austria. Remaining to be tested are Bonfant from Trentino, Italy and Häfliger from Luzern, Switzerland.

As expected, Bonfant has also tested FGC10543+.

Kwheaton
07-27-2014, 12:30 PM
Rich,
Glad to see your group growing. (Saw moose, bald eagles, beaver, antelope on the Snake River yesterday...gorgeous)
Kelly

R.Rocca
07-27-2014, 02:15 PM
Rich,
Glad to see your group growing. (Saw moose, bald eagles, beaver, antelope on the Snake River yesterday...gorgeous)
Kelly

Thanks Kelly. It will be difficult to ever see it grow too much if it is indeed centered in Trentino and Alto Adige as these areas have low population density and not much immigration to the US (FTDNA customer base). Hopefully some of the kits from German speaking areas of Switzerland will pan out.

Glad to see you are taking in the nature. I came back from the Caribbean "too relaxed" if that is possible ;)

Kwheaton
07-27-2014, 10:52 PM
Thanks Kelly. It will be difficult to ever see it grow too much if it is indeed centered in Trentino and Alto Adige as these areas have low population density and not much immigration to the US (FTDNA customer base). Hopefully some of the kits from German speaking areas of Switzerland will pan out.

Glad to see you are taking in the nature. I came back from the Caribbean "too relaxed" if that is possible ;)

The river trip was amazing. Some tricky piloting in the braided sections with lots of tree debris to dodge. Saved myself from impaling on a snag by grabbing hold and snapping it off...didn't know I had it in me! Beautiful sighting today of a Bull Moose and a more distant view of Mom and calf this morning.....

Well you could not be centered in a more beautiful place. I often wonder if our WHEATON group was somewhere isolated for a goodly amount of time since there are no in between STR matches. Nothing in the 8-13 steps.

Do you have any approx. date for your branch.....I suppose it will take lots of results to get the branches better defined. Once our results come in I would like you to let me new know if the new Silver will map the regions where the majority of our SNPS occur so we can see about refining our group with a sliver test or two. If you have any ideas on this I would be interested.

Ravai
02-04-2015, 11:06 AM
Hello Richard,

The test was negative.

FGC10543-

Regards

R.Rocca
03-23-2015, 02:30 AM
Kit no. 228201, MDKA John England, b. 1730 and d. 1795 has tested positive for the FGC10543/FGC10516/FGC10536 group. Unlike the north-east Italian samples however, he matches my kit two subclades down at FGC10525, FGC10507, PR5365, 18401139(C/T). The England kit owner does not have a paper trail back to Europe, but he does have a very close STR match with another England surname kit 175460 from Iron Acton, Gloucestershire. There are also two anonymous samples from Bristol that match the England sample by 31 additional SNPs. Even with the two Bristol samples, the frequency in the area is still less than 1%. While the recent POBI paper stated that the Romans left no genetic legacy in Britain, it would not be a stretch to think that some retired Legionnaries from nearby Gloucester (Glevum) could not have left some male descendants in the area, and the FGC10525 subclade in England may hint at that.

Kwheaton
03-23-2015, 02:41 AM
Rich,
Very cool. Congrats....the plot thickens...
Kelly

MitchellSince1893
03-23-2015, 05:02 AM
...Unlike the north-east Italian samples however, he matches my kit two subclades down at FGC10525, FGC10507, PR5365, 18401139(C/T)...

It's a great feeling when you are able to branch out from your previous terminal SNP. Congrats!

R.Rocca
03-23-2015, 12:47 PM
I found this last night...

http://www.riha-journal.org/articles/2010/stewart-geographies-of-provincialism

As can be seen in maps 1 and 2, outside of the northern walls, the heaviest concentration of Roman sculpture is around the area of modern day Bristol and Gloucestershire just to the north of it. Again, with Gloucester (Glevum) being one of only four “colonia” of retired Legionaries, it may be that U152 in those areas has a higher chance of belonging to subclades more common in Italy than elsewhere.

Kwheaton
03-25-2015, 03:50 PM
I found this last night...

http://www.riha-journal.org/articles/2010/stewart-geographies-of-provincialism

As can be seen in maps 1 and 2, outside of the northern walls, the heaviest concentration of Roman sculpture is around the area of modern day Bristol and Gloucestershire just to the north of it. Again, with Gloucester (Glevum) being one of only four “colonia” of retired Legionaries, it may be that U152 in those areas has a higher chance of belonging to subclades more common in Italy than elsewhere.

Rich,

And what is interesting further is this lies within my target area for the WHEATON Group B cluster.....North Somerset, Bristol and Southern Wales---basically the Bristol channel area. Although it could be an earlier migration for us or just another Roman branch with different origins than yours....who knows.

R.Rocca
03-25-2015, 04:13 PM
Rich,

And what is interesting further is this lies within my target area for the WHEATON Group B cluster.....North Somerset, Bristol and Southern Wales---basically the Bristol channel area. Although it could be an earlier migration for us or just another Roman branch with different origins than yours....who knows.

I had that in the back of mind as well. Perhaps years from now we'll have a list with "Likely Celtic", "Likely Roman" and "Likely Both", but of course we'll need more samples. Interesting stuff.

Agamemnon
03-26-2015, 02:37 PM
I found this last night...

http://www.riha-journal.org/articles/2010/stewart-geographies-of-provincialism

As can be seen in maps 1 and 2, outside of the northern walls, the heaviest concentration of Roman sculpture is around the area of modern day Bristol and Gloucestershire just to the north of it. Again, with Gloucester (Glevum) being one of only four “colonia” of retired Legionaries, it may be that U152 in those areas has a higher chance of belonging to subclades more common in Italy than elsewhere.

Going off the very same maps, East Anglia has one of the lowest concentrations of Roman sculpture in England... Which isn't exactly surprising, to say the least!

R.Rocca
12-16-2015, 01:51 PM
Thanks to the R-M343 SNP Pack, my relatively small subclade has added another member:

Kit no. 408671, Pierre Robert, b.1580 d.1637, Breuilaufa, Haute-Vienne, Limousin, France

He tested FGC10516+, which is representative of the FGC10543+FGC10536+FGC10516+ subclade in the R-M343 pack. While FGC10516 has also been found in two L21+ samples, the fact that this kit tested U152+ L2+ and negative for all other meaningful L2+ subclades in the backbone test makes it a legitimate result. I ordered FGC10543 and FGC10536 for him yesterday.

What is interesting is that this kit is the first in this group to be DYS442=12 which of course is the P312 and U152 modal. All other members of this group from England to Sicily have been off-modal DYS442=11. This could also be due to a back mutation, so we'll have to see how it plays out. It could be that one or both of the ordered SNPs come back negative and split the subclade further.

R.Rocca
12-16-2015, 02:03 PM
Thanks to the R-M343 SNP Pack, my relatively small subclade has added another member:

Kit no. 408671, Pierre Robert, b.1580 d.1637, Breuilaufa, Haute-Vienne, Limousin, France

He tested FGC10516+, which is representative of the FGC10543+FGC10536+FGC10516+ subclade in the R-M343 pack. While FGC10516 has also been found in two L21+ samples, the fact that this kit tested U152+ L2+ and negative for all other meaningful L2+ subclades in the backbone test makes it a legitimate result. I ordered FGC10543 and FGC10536 for him yesterday.

What is interesting is that this kit is the first in this group to be DYS442=12 which of course is the P312 and U152 modal. All other members of this group from England to Sicily have been off-modal DYS442=11. This could also be due to a back mutation, so we'll have to see how it plays out. It could be that one or both of the ordered SNPs come back negative and split the subclade further.

Here is a map of the subclade so far: https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8728736,-50.8296271,3z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!6m1!1szwXzl03fIvN8.ktBIMr5cn1IU? hl=en

Kwheaton
12-16-2015, 02:42 PM
Rich,
Congrats! Little by little....

Acque agitate
12-16-2015, 05:22 PM
Happy for you

CarlosM
03-13-2016, 08:42 PM
Hello:
I'm a newbie in this forum and I'd like to do a comment and a question. I tested the Geno 2.0, the results were transferred to FTDNA, I'm R-L2+; I also suscribed to the U-152 group at FTDNA. A few days ago I received my results for the FGC10516 SNP test, it was negative; I tested this SNP because I have 11 for the STR DYS 442 but it did not work. I'd like to know if the P312 pack is right to me or what would be the best and cheapest test to advance in the SNPs after R-L2+.
Thank you in advance.
CarlosM

Acque agitate
03-13-2016, 10:29 PM
Wich is your Kit number?


Hello:
I'm a newbie in this forum and I'd like to do a comment and a question. I tested the Geno 2.0, the results were transferred to FTDNA, I'm R-L2+; I also suscribed to the U-152 group at FTDNA. A few days ago I received my results for the FGC10516 SNP test, it was negative; I tested this SNP because I have 11 for the STR DYS 442 but it did not work. I'd like to know if the P312 pack is right to me or what would be the best and cheapest test to advance in the SNPs after R-L2+.
Thank you in advance.
CarlosM

CarlosM
03-14-2016, 01:42 AM
My kit number is N116057
CarlosM

Acque agitate
03-14-2016, 11:07 AM
Hello Carlos,
I carried out a survey on your data (STR). At the moment it does not seem that there is a sub-group to which you belong with sufficient degree of probability.
The choice that I made several years ago was to perform the test with Full Genomes. I have spent no small sum, but this expense was definitive (I just have to wait for others to deepen their research).
An alternative, in my opinion less convenient, is the FTDNA test called BigY (it cost a little less, but it appear to provide much less detailed data).
Ad maiora.


My kit number is N116057
CarlosM

CarlosM
03-14-2016, 11:24 AM
Thank you very much for your reply. I'll try Full Genomes or the Big Y in the future.
Ad maiora
Best regards
Carlos

Swankhuizen
03-23-2016, 08:35 PM
hallo i just received my haplogroup FTDNA result, i am a : R-DF103 , i did not find much info about it. Who can tell more ?

Armenis
05-04-2016, 10:52 AM
Question, is FGC10530 similar to FGC13617.? I see the FTDNA haplotree has them on the same branch with a single downstream branch namely BY3480.

Is this legitimate or is it temporary until it can be verified/confirmed?

Any information on this development would be sorely appreciated. Thanks

Armenis
05-23-2016, 06:45 PM
Question, is FGC10530 similar to FGC13617.? I see the FTDNA haplotree has them on the same branch with a single downstream branch namely BY3480.

Is this legitimate or is it temporary until it can be verified/confirmed?

Any information on this development would be sorely appreciated. Thanks

FGC13617 is my terminal SNP according to FTDNA and it is placed on the same branch as FGC10530 on the FTDNA haplotree.

Interestingly though, when somebody else does a login to FTDNA (not my own), the FGC13617 is nowhere to be seen on the haplotree.

In addition, in the matches section of the Big Y test on the FTDNA webpage my matches have changed drastically. I am no longer matched with a certain FGC13620+ individual named Williams. He has fallen away and now I have a match named Simonetti under FGC10530+ together with my closest DNA match Cognevich.

Neither Cognevich nor myself have been tested for FGC10530. How does FTDNA come to the conclusion that we are both FGC10530?

R.Rocca
05-24-2016, 04:51 PM
FGC13617 is my terminal SNP according to FTDNA and it is placed on the same branch as FGC10530 on the FTDNA haplotree.

Interestingly though, when somebody else does a login to FTDNA (not my own), the FGC13617 is nowhere to be seen on the haplotree.

In addition, in the matches section of the Big Y test on the FTDNA webpage my matches have changed drastically. I am no longer matched with a certain FGC13620+ individual named Williams. He has fallen away and now I have a match named Simonetti under FGC10530+ together with my closest DNA match Cognevich.

Neither Cognevich nor myself have been tested for FGC10530. How does FTDNA come to the conclusion that we are both FGC10530?

I don't know where FTDNA got that grouping from, but one thing is clear from your BAM file... you are FGC10530-

Armenis
05-24-2016, 07:09 PM
I don't know where FTDNA got that grouping from, but one thing is clear from your BAM file... you are not FGC10530-

Thank-you for the confirmation.

Seeing as I am definitely negative for FGC10530... should I inform FTDNA that they have made a mistake with the grouping? Who does one have to speak to regarding this?