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Bolgeris
06-01-2014, 06:02 PM
Ciao,
I'm waiting to get my BAM files from Ftdna..

as soon as I will receive BAM file ..
I will send it to Yfull that Fullgenome .. for the analysis of the case ..

If other researchers are interested I send it to them ..


I am still convinced that the comparison with other L2+ and L20+, it will be crucial to find out more SNPs, etc. ..

Let me know.

Bolgeris
06-03-2014, 07:42 PM
Could someone give me some suggestions ..


About how it would be possible to compare my Belgieri N9198 BigY SNP with those of the other gentl. CTS9733 positive ..?

Kit Ftdna 212243 Niels Eriksson, 1575: Furved, Gesäter, Sweden

To see if we have some SNPs in common between us?

Thanks.. for any suggestions.

R.Rocca
06-03-2014, 08:56 PM
Could someone give me some suggestions ..


About how it would be possible to compare my Belgieri N9198 BigY SNP with those of the other gentl. CTS9733 positive ..?

Kit Ftdna 212243 Niels Eriksson, 1575: Furved, Gesäter, Sweden

To see if we have some SNPs in common between us?

Thanks.. for any suggestions.

I had already compared your two kits and did not find any shared SNPs. Of course, the only way to really know due to the "negative=positive" situation I mentioned last week, is to compare both BAM files.

Bolgeris
06-12-2014, 09:26 PM
At Big y match today i see..

There are two L20+ that match

L484 M228.2 with me..
one swedish gentl. and one english gentl.

There are two L20+ that match:

CTS9733 L484 M228.2 YSC0000193 with me..
two german gentl.

some news?!
Mah...
i send my BAM file to Yfull and Full genome..
We will see. what will happen...?!

R.Rocca
06-13-2014, 02:40 AM
At Big y match today i see..

There are two L20+ that match

L484 M228.2 with me..
one swedish gentl. and one english gentl.

There are two L20+ that match:

CTS9733 L484 M228.2 YSC0000193 with me..
two german gentl.

some news?!
Mah...
i send my BAM file to Yfull and Full genome..
We will see. what will happen...?!

I have to investigate it a little bit more this weekend, but I think the Swedish CTS9733 might share several SNPs with whoever the reference sample is.

Bolgeris
06-14-2014, 08:37 AM
Excuse me, but I had not explained it well ..
The most similar to me are the two gentlemen, CTS9733 positive - one British and one Swedish, which differ only for two snp : L484 and M228.2
and they have in common with me ... CTS9733 and YSC0000193..

Before I was not clear.
In fact, Mr. Erikson Swedish is the most similar to us ...Bolgeri.

Bolgeris
06-15-2014, 08:23 AM
My yfull analysis arrived..


Match #1: R-L20
*Extras: V190+, F1345*, Z1842+, M118+, P9.2+, P80+, Z346*, IMS-JST029149+, CTS616+, IMS-JST022457+, P266+, V203*
R1b1a2a1a2b1a1
|Matches: L20+
|____R1b1a2a1a2b1a
|Matches: S255+
|____R1b1a2a1a2b1
|Matches: L2+
|____R1b1a2a1a2b
|Matches: S28+
|____R1b1a2a1a2

Bolgeris
06-23-2014, 09:53 PM
My Big Y data . from Yfull...

ChrY BAM file size: 0.62 Gb
Reads (all): 11273051
Mapped reads: 11273051 (100.00%)
Unmapped reads: 0
Length coverage: 14706686 bp (57.33%)
Min depth coverage: 1X
Max depth coverage: 8000X
Mean depth coverage: 82.77X
Median depth coverage: 52X
No call: 10946880 bp

Bolgeris
06-23-2014, 10:31 PM
Always my Big y match from YFull...

Private SNPs (all): 62
Best qual: 27 (43.55%) [19 (30.65%) - best; 8 (12.90%) - acceptable]
INDELs: 0
Ambiguous qual: 34 (54.84%)
One read!: 0
Low qual: 1 (1.61%)

Titus Valerius
08-07-2014, 07:04 AM
Hello everyone! I just got my results from YSEQ.
I'm L20+ Z383+ CTS9733+

Alessio B. Bedini
08-07-2014, 07:17 AM
Complimenti!
It 's really interesting!
How are you connected with Bolgeri?

Titus Valerius
08-07-2014, 07:21 AM
Hi, Grazie Alessio! At this point, I think so!

Titus Valerius
08-07-2014, 07:24 AM
Hi, Grazie Alessio! At this point, I think so! But I don't know when!

Alessio B. Bedini
08-07-2014, 07:36 AM
However, in the "Project U152" I see Bolgeri as CTS9733-
You have to send an email to Steve Gilbert and Richard Rocca communicating your new results ..

Titus Valerius
08-07-2014, 07:46 AM
Sorry! Maybe I did wrong, I noticed CTS9733 T+ what does this mean? Perhaps this was to be C+.
I ask you. Is there anyone who knows ? Thanks

Titus Valerius
08-07-2014, 07:54 AM
Here are my results:
S3856 ChrY 19045124 19045124 T+
YSC0000798 ChrY 16440331 16440331 A-
Z1910 ChrY 16440395 16440395 A-

R.Rocca
08-07-2014, 12:51 PM
The values for CTS9733 are reversed...everyone is "T" or positive (e.g. including me). What is different in some L20 samples is that there is a subclade that is "C" or negative.

Bolgeris
08-07-2014, 06:23 PM
I thought I had found a "cousin" CTS9733,,, and yet nothing .. patience!
:)

Bolgeris
08-07-2014, 09:59 PM
My CTS9733 allele is C definitively..:)

Search in BAM file
ChrY position: 19045124 (+strand)
Reads: 67
Position data: 2A 65C
Weight for A: 0.026622296173
Weight for C: 0.973377703827
Probability of error: 0.0376496123094 (0<->1)
Consensus allele: C
Reference allele: C
Known SNPs at this position: CTS9733 • S3856

Bolgeris
08-30-2014, 08:21 PM
I discovered by chance, comparing with mcgee, that those closest to us Bolgeri are the surname Suire . (and Laurans.. and Richebourg.. all L20+) .
What do you think?

The Bolgeri are 11 or 12 GD / 111 STR..
We are 19 GD / 111 STR with L20+ Mr. Suire..
Interesting.

MAy be us Bolgeri and all these families.. Laurans, Richebourg and Suire ..
We are distant relatives or arising from the same family gens .. people.. .. (Tribe Germanic or Lombard or Celtic or Rhaetian ??)

modal GD distance 111 9 13 13 10 8 9 10 27 24 20 19
154083 Bolgeri 1900 Italy R-L20 9 111 12 11 19 12 12 12 30 32 24 23
N9198 Pietro Pio Bolgeri, 1670, Civenna, Lombardy, ITALY Italy R-L20 13 12 111 11 19 13 14 14 32 33 28 27
183488 Mario James Belgeri Italy R-L20 13 11 11 111 22 15 14 13 30 31 28 27
315066 Cyr Rene Cyr R-L20 10 19 19 22 111 3 11 11 31 27 25 24
147820 Cyr Andre Suire R-L20 8 12 13 15 3 67 12 14 21 17 15 15
N31442 Antoine Laurans, 1560 France R-L20 9 12 14 14 11 12 67 19 23 21 18 18
116207 Claude Philippe de Richebourg, b.c. 1670, France France R-L20 10 12 14 13 11 14 19 67 19 17 16 16

others CTS9733 pos.
212243 Niels Eriksson, 1575: Furved, Gesäter, Sweden Sweden R-L20 27 30 32 30 31 21 23 19 111 31 31 31
217453 Thomas Pears 1779 - 1837 England R-L144 24 32 33 31 27 17 21 17 31 111 33 34
211236 Jesse Boling, b. 1758 and d.1841 Scotland R-L20 20 24 28 28 25 15 18 16 31 33 111 1
N114697 Benjamin Bolling b. 1734 United States R-L20 19 23 27 27 24 15 18 16 31 34 1 111


modal 111 480 690 690 540 630 720 780 1440 1260 1050 990
154083 Bolgeri 1900 Italy R-L20 480 111 630 600 990 930 930 930 1590 1710 1260 1200
N9198 Pietro Pio Bolgeri, 1670, Civenna, Lombardy, ITALY Italy R-L20 690 630 111 600 990 990 1080 1080 1710 1770 1500 1440
183488 Mario James Belgeri Italy R-L20 690 600 600 111 1140 1140 1080 990 1590 1650 1500 1440
315066 Cyr Rene Cyr R-L20 540 990 990 1140 111 300 840 840 1650 1440 1320 1260
147820 Cyr Andre Suire R-L20 630 930 990 1140 300 67 930 1080 1650 1320 1140 1140
N31442 Antoine Laurans, 1560 France R-L20 720 930 1080 1080 840 930 67 1470 1830 1650 1410 1410
116207 Claude Philippe de Richebourg, b.c. 1670, France France R-L20 780 930 1080 990 840 1080 1470 67 1470 1320 1230 1230

other CTS9733 pos..
212243 Niels Eriksson, 1575: Furved, Gesäter, Sweden Sweden R-L20 1440 1590 1710 1590 1650 1650 1830 1470 111 1650 1650 1650
217453 Thomas Pears 1779 - 1837 England R-L144 1260 1710 1770 1650 1440 1320 1650 1320 1650 111 1770 1830
211236 Jesse Boling, b. 1758 and d.1841 Scotland R-L20 1050 1260 1500 1500 1320 1140 1410 1230 1650 1770 111 120
N114697 Benjamin Bolling b. 1734 United States R-L20 990 1200 1440 1440 1260 1140 1410 1230 1650 1830 120 111

0-270 Years 300-570 Years 600-870 Years 900-1170 Years
- Infinite allele mutation model is used
- Average mutation rate varies: 0.0034 to 0.0041, from FTDNA derived rates
- Values on the diagonal indicate number of markers tested
- Probability is 75% that the TMRCA is no longer than indicated
- Average generaton: 30 years

Bolgeris
09-11-2014, 08:39 PM
CTS9733 SNP available...Ftdna...

Today i received Ftdna email.

Dear Group Administrator,

We’ve added your SNP CTS9733 to our catalog and it is now available for order through the Advanced Tests section of the customer's myFTDNA page.

Thank you for your contribution.

Thank you,

The FTDNA Lab Team

Bolgeris
09-27-2014, 11:13 AM
CTS9733 SNP available...Ftdna...

Today i received Ftdna email.

Dear Group Administrator,

We’ve added your SNP CTS9733 to our catalog and it is now available for order through the Advanced Tests section of the customer's myFTDNA page.

Thank you for your contribution.

Thank you,

The FTDNA Lab Team

Yesterday arrived the results for CTS9733 ......
and i wrote this email to Ftdna.

I am Belgieri, ancestral surname Bolgeri (all L20 +), and i am result CTS9733 after the Big Y ..
After testing for the SNP CTS9733 only, three people (Belgieri or Belgeri) .in Bolgeri project.. ..
I do not understand why the results, which are transcribed SNP CTS9733, they are different ..

I become CTS9733 + and the other three are CTS9733- ..

The correct result should be CTS9733- or C.

I do not understand why the results are classified in a different way.
I ask you to standardize your way of classifying the results for SNP CTS9733.
As in the Ftdna U152 project we are classified how:
U152> L2> Z258/Z367/Z384> L20/Z383/CTS1939/PF129> CTS9733=C(back mutation)


Mah....

Bolgeris
10-02-2014, 09:12 PM
Yesterday arrived the results for CTS9733 ......
and i wrote this email to Ftdna.

I am Belgieri, ancestral surname Bolgeri (all L20 +), and i am result CTS9733 after the Big Y ..
After testing for the SNP CTS9733 only, three people (Belgieri or Belgeri) .in Bolgeri project.. ..
I do not understand why the results, which are transcribed SNP CTS9733, they are different ..

I become CTS9733 + and the other three are CTS9733- ..

The correct result should be CTS9733- or C.

I do not understand why the results are classified in a different way.
I ask you to standardize your way of classifying the results for SNP CTS9733.
As in the Ftdna U152 project we are classified how:
U152> L2> Z258/Z367/Z384> L20/Z383/CTS1939/PF129> CTS9733=C(back mutation)


Mah....

The same cryptic answer .. by Ftdna .. when one of the test is one of my nephew .my brother's son. and it should be the same as me ..CTS9733 .
I can not understand ..

see the Ftdna email............................................. .......................

Hello,

Thanks for your response.

Your response shows CTS7933+ and CTS9733-. These are not the same markers.

R.Rocca
10-02-2014, 11:15 PM
The same cryptic answer .. by Ftdna .. when one of the test is one of my nephew .my brother's son. and it should be the same as me ..CTS9733 .
I can not understand ..

see the Ftdna email............................................. .......................

Hello,

Thanks for your response.

Your response shows CTS7933+ and CTS9733-. These are not the same markers.

If you send me the email, I can respond to them.

Bolgeris
11-01-2014, 05:48 PM
:beerchug: Hurray!

Big news in L20+ CTS9733-..... there is a new subclade..

From U152 Ftdna project

U152> L2> Z258/Z367/Z384> L20/Z383/CTS1939/PF129> CTS9733=C(back mutation)> 7702178 et al.

surname Bolgeri - Drouillard..
:)

Thanks to Richard Rocca U152 Ftdna project.

that discover new SNP subclade

7702178(G/A), 9882218(G/A), 14543554(A/T), 14590597(T/C), 18684555(C/G), 21605188(A/G), 23301577(T/C), 23758887(C/T)

http://www.r1b.org/imgs/FTDNA_U152_Project_Tree.png

N.B.
GD between Drouillard / Bolgeri 25 or 27 or 23 !


131330 Jean Drouillard 1666 Marennes, France France R-L20 25 27 23
154083 Bolgeri 1900 Italy R-L20 25 12 11
N9198 Pietro Pio Bolgeri, 1670, Civenna, Lombardy, ITALY Italy R-L20 27 12 11
183488 Mario James Belgeri Italy R-L20 23 11 11

Bolgeris
11-02-2014, 11:56 AM
What do you think.. . about...


With Big Y were found in me Belgieri, 58 novel SNPs of which 8 accetable quality and 19 best quality .. so 30 were ambiguous quality and 1 low quality.

Of the 19 + 8 = 27 SNPs of good or acceptable quality I .. Belgieri and Mr. Drouillard (French Canadian) we have in common 8 (5 of best quality and 3 accetable quality). ù

so the time that separates us from the MRCA between Belgieri and Drouillard is 19 x 125 years = 2375 ... about..

With 111 STR instead the average generations between Bolgeri and Drouillard is 42 ( double that Bolgeri), when it was 20 among the various branches of the Bolgeri.

IF we assume that the common origin of the Bolgeri family.. is at least after year 1000 .. more or less coincides?! .. a common origin between Bolgeri and Drouillard ..
at the time of the Gallic invasion in Gaul Cisalpina 2500 years ago? .
or at the time of the colonization of Gaul by Roman legionnaires 2000 years ago?

I think the argument over the Lombard origin is falling ..
Easier to think that in a poor mountain valley near Como (which is the origin of my family) .. have fled the inhabitants of the plains .. when arrived the Lombards in North Italy?!?

Some hyp.

Ulfhednar
11-06-2014, 08:38 PM
I made an account just to follow this post...

I'm L20+ (have not tested anything downstream). I keep procrastinating on buying an FTDNA kit (23andme v4, no xfer), so I can get into the project and test further.

My father's line is from Germany, the oldest ancestor we have pegged down was from the mid 1800's in München, Bayern. Our surname doesn't seem to be very common, but most of what I find is in Switzerland near lake Constance, or in Bavaria. I still need to bark more up that tree...

Cobbler
05-20-2015, 07:59 PM
Hi,
I found this link because of a post on Facebook today in the P312 group.
My Dad just had Big Y finished in May 2015. We don't have the BAM file yet. However, we have some matches. Dad is U152+ and L20+>CTS9733=C (back m.)

This sounds similar to Mr. Belgieri. Dad is in the FTdna Projects for U152 and P312. Old Family name is LESUEUR. His kit is B13518.

His Big Y matches start with:
Woodruff
M.Belgeri
R.Bowling
and a few people down the list is a Belgieri

Maybe there is an ancient connection.

wombatofthenorth
04-11-2016, 10:22 PM
Excuse me, but I had not explained it well ..
The most similar to me are the two gentlemen, CTS9733 positive - one British and one Swedish, which differ only for two snp : L484 and M228.2
and they have in common with me ... CTS9733 and YSC0000193..

Before I was not clear.
In fact, Mr. Erikson Swedish is the most similar to us ...Bolgeri.

For YSC0000193 what is positive and what is negative? On the old Geno 2 my dad got TT. But I can't find what is ancestral and what is derive.

Bolgeris
04-12-2016, 10:14 PM
For YSC0000193 what is positive and what is negative? On the old Geno 2 my dad got TT. But I can't find what is ancestral and what is derive.

From Yfull

Sample: #YF01754 (R-Y11785)
ChrY position: 17005069 (+strand)
Reads: 103
Position data: 103A
Weight for A: 1.0
Probability of error: 0.0 (0<->1)
Sample allele: A
Reference (hg19) allele: A
Known SNPs at this position: YSC0000193 (T->A)

And...

R-CTS9733 CTS9733/S3856 * YSC0000193 formed 3900 ybp, TMRCA 3900 ybpinfo
R-CTS9733*
id:YF03691FRA

R-S1505S1505formed 3900 ybp, TMRCA 3300 ybpinfo
id:YF04540ENG
id:HG01767IBS

R-Y11785 FGC17189/Y11786 * FGC17194/Y11787 * FGC17199/Y11788+14 SNPs formed 3900 ybp, TMRCA 1150 ybpinfo
id:YF02864ITA [IT-CO]
id:YF01754ITA [IT-CO]

wombatofthenorth
04-13-2016, 06:12 AM
So I believe the above says that T is ancestral.
I think that means we are negative for most of the L20 sub-branches (L1910 and one other not tested) although there is a question over BY2717.

You wouldn't happen to know if the Geno BY2171 sub-SNP of L20 is to be read as if it were reverse strand or not?
According to the SNP lookup A is derived and looking at the raw Y data I see "AA" and yet FTDNA show no result for BY2171 (which usually means, randomly (for who knows why), either not tested or negative).

TROUTMAN
04-30-2016, 08:32 PM
Apparently I am showing almost 10% Italian origin via Sardinia/Tuscany with most of my DNA origins in Northern Europe. Di I have any connections to the Italians on this site? Any way to tell?
Troutman


CTS9733+
L2+, L20+
L23+
L278+
L389+
L51+
M269+
M343+
P297+
U152+
Z367+


A1773-, A2150-, A274-, A4670-, A517-, BY2823-, BY2868-, BY575-, BY653-, CTS10429-, CTS11567-, CTS11994-, CTS1751-, CTS3386-, CTS4466-, CTS4528-, CTS5330-, CTS5689-, CTS6937-, CTS7763-, CTS9733+, DF103-, DF110-, DF17-, DF19-, DF21-, DF27-, DF41-, DF49-, DF63-, DF81-, DF83-, DF88-, DF95-, DF99-, F2691-, F2863-, FGC10516-, FGC11134-, FGC13620-, FGC20761-, FGC22501-, FGC396-, FGC5301-, FGC5336-, FGC5344-, FGC5345-, FGC5351-, FGC5354-, FGC5356-, FGC5367-, FGC5373-, FGC5494-, FGC5798-, L1335-, L176-, L176-, L2+, L20+, L21-, L23+, L238-, L278+, L371-, L389+, L408-, L47-, L48-, L51+, L513-, L584-, L617-, L881-, M1994-, M222-, M269+, M335-, M343+, M73-, MC14-, P297+, P310+, P311+, P312+, PF3252-, PF6610-, PF6714-, PF7562-, PF7589-, PF7600-, S1026-, S1051-, S11493-, S11601-, S12025-, S1567-, S16264-, S1688-, S18632-, S18827-, S7721-, SRY2627-, U106-, U152+, V88-, Y5058-, Z156-, Z16500-, Z17-, Z17300-, Z18-, Z1862-, Z195-, Z198-, Z209-, Z2103-, Z2109-, Z225-, Z251-, Z253-, Z2542-, Z255-, Z2573-, Z295-, Z296-, Z301-, Z302-, Z326-, Z36-, Z367+, Z381-, Z49-, Z8-, Z8052-, Z8056-, Z9-

Celt_??
08-02-2016, 03:19 PM
@ Bolgeris & wombatofthenorth - As far as they go, are my FTDNA results the same as Bolgeris?? My oldest ancestor was first found in VA court records in 1738 on the frontier of Virginia. I believe that he was from Great Britain, most probably the south or southwest of England.


After the FTDNA Z367 SNP Pack, FTDNA now gives my Haplogroup as R-CTS9733.

My results: U152+, L2+, L20+, Z367+, Z383+, Z384+, CTS9733+, YSC0000193+

AndrewJones
11-08-2016, 10:49 AM
Another one of these S3856, with possible Welsh ancestry. Earliest I can trace is Samuel Jones 1748 Shropshire, England. This ancestor most probably part of the migration across the border from Wales, following a boom time in the economy of Ludlow. Would be grateful to hear if anybody knows more.

Celt_??
12-15-2016, 07:28 AM
Another one of these S3856, with possible Welsh ancestry. Would be grateful to hear if anybody knows more.

There is a little more here:

http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?8128-R1b-Z367-SNP-Pack-Result-R-CTS9733-Is-any-significance-known-for-this-SNP&highlight=CTS9733

AndrewJones
03-20-2017, 10:49 PM
There is a little more here:

http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?8128-R1b-Z367-SNP-Pack-Result-R-CTS9733-Is-any-significance-known-for-this-SNP&highlight=CTS9733

Yes Thanks Celt, I seem to be the only sort of current Celt with this marker, frustrating really, was it Bronze age metal workers, Belgic invaders, Romans or Germanic settlers turned Welsh wherein this blood was brought to the land of, originally, pre-celts?

sjbolin
03-13-2018, 10:43 PM
New here - Just received my breakdown

Haplogroup is R-L20 CTS9733 C+

Quick results summary from YSEQ.net

BY3558 G+
BY3570 A+
CTS9733 C+

23andme Break down
Maternal haplogroup is H1b
Haplogroup is R-L20
R-L20 < 8,000 Years Ago
R-M269 -10,000 Years Ago
R-M343 - 27,000 Years Ago
R-M207 - 35,000 Years Ago
K-M9 - 53,000 Years Ago
F-M89 - 76,000 Years Ago
A - 275,000 Years Ago


809016 FTDNA Y-111 Group 3
Bolin William Bolin / Bolling / Bowling Granville, NC
R-M269 13 24 14 11 11-12 12 12 13 13 13 29 19 9-10 11 11 24 15 19 29 15-16-17-17

Steve

sjbolin
03-26-2018, 06:48 PM
need help understanding my results!

What is the ancestral origin for this?

Trying to find out where my first ancestry came from, and what name changes occurred.

Haplogroup is R-L20 CTS9733 C+

BY3558 G+
BY3570 A+
CTS9733 C+

23andme Genesis.GEDmatch LJ3174015
Ancestrydna GEDmatch A969500
FTDNA / GEDmatch T888637


FTDNA Y-111 R-M269 13 24 14 11 11-12 12 12 13 13 13 29 19 9-10 11 11 24 15 19 29 15-16-17-17
FTDNA Group 3 - 809016 Bolin William Bolin Granville, NC

Steve

Rayon
05-30-2018, 12:57 AM
Dear Friends and Relations,
I'm new to this site and was drawn to this particular thread by the name Bolgeri (with variants). So far I'm U152>L2>Z367 having taken the 111 marker test. I'm awaiting another test + the BigY -- and will report the results to this forum. Meantime, as a junior, I have a lot of learning to do. The Bolgeri, etc. connection was interesting as 2 of my 5 matches on 37 markers were so named. Then I see Suire (= Cyr?), Boling (= Bowling), and a couple more possible variants leading me to some of the names/families I've encountered in my journey across time & space. Why am I here?
1 My mother met my father one night in Surrey, England a week before D-Day & never saw him again. She told me he was French-Canadian.
2 I get many more Swiss relatives than my half sister (who has a different father). So I'm looking at Switzerland but then the whole La Têne migrations and embracing virtually anywhere in Europe. But Swiss migration to Canada could be how the U152 (etc.) paternal haplogroup went to North America and back. I'm also part Scandinavian and have Duprotron's Contracture (non life-threatening) to prove it or at least to suggest a causal link.
3 My name is no help to this forum as I was adopted.
4 My family name at birth is no help either since it is that of my sister's father.
5 Hence I am here, looking for a needle in a haystack but having a good time, hunting for knowledge and gathering facts.
I thank you for sharing and send good wishes to all -- and look forward to learning more.
Rayon
PS I'm also on 23&Me, Ancestry, Gedmatch, MyHeritage & the U152 Forum. And my DYS393 value is 14, which I believe might put me out on a limb?

Celt_??
04-13-2019, 06:23 PM
Dear Friends and Relations,
I'm new to this site and was drawn to this particular thread by the name Bolgeri (with variants). So far I'm U152>L2>Z367 having taken the 111 marker test. I'm awaiting another test + the BigY -- and will report the results to this forum.
Rayon


Just curious, what did your BIG-Y analysis show?