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rms2
06-24-2014, 11:34 PM
My BritainsDNA myDNA pages have been down for quite some time now. Anyone know what is going on?

GTC
06-25-2014, 03:49 AM
All I've heard is that "maintenance" is taking far longer than expected.

Sounds like a major SNAFU has occurred. FTDNA wrote the book on such events, though I don't think they've been completely off the air like this.

rms2
06-25-2014, 01:41 PM
I hope they get things up and running soon. I forget exactly when I first noticed the site was down, but I'm thinking it has been at least a week now.

GTC
06-25-2014, 04:21 PM
I hope they get things up and running soon. I forget exactly when I first noticed the site was down, but I'm thinking it has been at least a week now.

It's reported elsewhere that it's been down for at least two weeks. I'm not a BDNA customer so I can't personally vouch for that.

Wulf Warrior
06-25-2014, 08:28 PM
When I went to order a product a few days back, the checkout basket was not accessible... But today it is! So They're definitely sorting it out!

Telfermagne
06-27-2014, 04:20 AM
Site is partially back up. I was able to log in but it only order history and such is accessible. Results are still inaccessible for the time being. I'm hoping that the update/maintenance was spurred by Chromo2 discoveries and that there's some good changes/additions being made.

rms2
06-29-2014, 08:11 PM
I looked at the site just a few minutes ago. My BDNA myDNA pages are still down for maintenance. One thing I hope they are doing is changing the picture of the warrior they use to represent S145 (L21)/"Pretani".

I doubt any ancient Britons wore their hair in corn rows.

Pet peeve.

Wulf Warrior
06-29-2014, 09:16 PM
They have warrior imagery per Haplogroup? Or culturally related at least?

Corn rows for the Pretani? ... No idea where that would come from.

David Mc
06-29-2014, 10:13 PM
Are there any other examples of the haplotype illustrations? I saw one for the "ancient Irish/M222" somewhere on this forum, I think. I'd be interested to see how they identify each group...

rms2
06-30-2014, 12:12 PM
Here's BritainsDNA's graphic for S145 (L21), "Pretani".

2001

It's okay, I guess, except for the damned corn rows.

rms2
06-30-2014, 01:37 PM
Here's the announcement on my myDNA pages:



Customer Results Area down for essential maintenance

Dear Customer,

At present the online results area is undergoing essential maintenance. Please bear with us whilst we update our systems, they should be up and running soon.

In the meantime, if you would like a complimentary printed copy of your results please email us on support@britainsdna.com or telephone +44 (0)1896 800 720 (Mon-Fri 9am-5pm) and we will post it out to you.

Please accept my apologies for any inconvenience caused.

Best wishes,

Alistair Moffat

I just emailed them for the complimentary printed copy of my results.

Gray Fox
06-30-2014, 06:32 PM
Well now you have my curiosity piqued! Is there an illustration for DF27 or U152?

rms2
06-30-2014, 07:22 PM
Well now you have my curiosity piqued! Is there an illustration for DF27 or U152?

I'm sure they have them, but I don't know how to find them. I wish I could see the whole gallery.

rms2
06-30-2014, 07:38 PM
Judging from the Chromo2 demo shown here (http://www.britainsdna.com/demos/chromo2) they use a running wolf as the logo for I-M253.

rms2
06-30-2014, 07:49 PM
I found the one for S28 (U152). Here it is.

2007

David Mc
06-30-2014, 07:59 PM
Thanks, Rich. It would be nice to see a gallery. Great marketing tool anyway. On the corn row issue, there is actually at least one anthropomorphic sword hilt that suggests corn rows. I'll see if I can find it and I'll post it.

rms2
06-30-2014, 08:01 PM
Thanks, Rich. It would be nice to see a gallery. Great marketing tool anyway. On the corn row issue, there is actually at least one anthropomorphic sword hilt that suggests corn rows. I'll see if I can find it and I'll post it.

I have read in more than one place that the ancient Celts spiked their long hair up with bear grease and lime, but I have never read anything about them braiding it in the equivalent of corn rows.

David Mc
06-30-2014, 08:08 PM
2008

Here it is: The Cirencester anthropomorphic sword pommel.

You can find out more here:

www.kelticos.org/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=3865

rms2
06-30-2014, 08:24 PM
2008

Here it is: The Cirencester anthropomorphic sword pommel.

You can find out more here:

www.kelticos.org/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=3865

Thanks! I had never seen that before. I wonder if the folks at BDNA knew about it when drawing up their S145 "Pretani" guy.

David Mc
06-30-2014, 10:03 PM
I had wondered that too. I believe there are references to warriors having many braids in some of the Irish mythological cycles as well, but there are many different ways to braid hair, and most of the cycles were written down centuries later than the time in which the hilt would have been made.

David Mc
06-30-2014, 10:29 PM
I found the one for M222:

2009

rms2
07-01-2014, 10:18 AM
I like that one best of all those I've seen thus far.

Gray Fox
07-01-2014, 03:58 PM
I still can't find anything DF27 related on the web, but I did find the list of their haplo's and the cultures they have assigned to them.

http://www.isogg.org/wiki/BritainsDNA_haplogroup_nicknames

P312- Hunter Gatherer

L165 - Hebridean Vikings

SRY2627 - This ones a shocker.. So brace yourselves.. IBERIAN!! :rolleyes:

Telfermagne
07-01-2014, 07:08 PM
P312 wasn't hunter gather when it was listed on my Chromo2 results page. It stated Bell Beaker for S116/P312. Not sure why ISOGG has it listed as hunter gatherer.

From http://r1b.org/?page_id=112 R-M269 was found in Bell Beaker remains (from Germany), and has not been found in pre-Neolithic remains. So the evidence right now leads towards supposing that since the ancestor to P312 and U106 was found in Bell Beaker remains, and not in any earlier remains, then the descendants of R-M269 (P312 & U106, and their respective subclades) emerged in Europe much later than the time of Hunter Gatherers. It doesn't make much sense to suggest that the descendants of R-M269 were in Europe before their parent clade was.

Another source is: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajpa.22074/abstract Emerging genetic patterns of the european neolithic: Perspectives from a late neolithic bell beaker burial site in Germany† (Esther J. Lee1, Cheryl Makarewicz2, Rebecca Renneberg1, Melanie Harder1, Ben Krause-Kyora1, Stephanie Müller3, Sven Ostritz4, Lars Fehren-Schmitz5, Stefan Schreiber6, Johannes Müller2, Nicole von Wurmb-Schwark7,‡ andAlmut Nebel6,†)
Article first published online: 3 MAY 2012

David Mc
07-01-2014, 07:49 PM
Not to be to single-tracked here, but did they happen to include an image for the Bell Beaker type?

Telfermagne
07-01-2014, 10:04 PM
Not to be to single-tracked here, but did they happen to include an image for the Bell Beaker type?

Yeah, I'll see if I still got it saved to my files. I've been doing some reorganizing after BritainsDNA acknowledged S11987 as a legitimate subclade of S116, not sure if replaced my previous R-S116* screencap with the R-S11987 one or if I have a copy of both.

EDIT:

Seems my screencap has been deleted, but I have a printed copy. I'll scan it in the next few days and upload it. It's just a hooded figure with an ancient load-out. Looks almost like a scout from an expidition party. lol

Telfermagne
07-01-2014, 10:15 PM
Found it! I forgot I had it uploaded on Flickr

rms2
07-02-2014, 06:46 AM
The Kromsdorf Beaker remains were both tested for U106 and found to be U106-.

Adrian Stevenson
07-02-2014, 07:17 AM
Here are the images for T and H. The H results are my wifes.

Cheers, Ade.

David Mc
07-02-2014, 07:45 AM
The image of the foragers (Haplogroup T) could easily have been an illustration of the East Barns bird hunters described Moffat and Wilson's The Scots: A Genetic Journey. While I have doubts about some of Moffat's dates (particularly regarding the arrival of R1b), there are still some great anthropological and archaeological insights in that book.

Telfermagne
07-02-2014, 01:59 PM
The Kromsdorf Beaker remains were both tested for U106 and found to be U106-.

Cool, thanks for clarifying. Given that U106 was tested for as negative, and M269 is confirmed positive, the clade of M269 that remains is P312 barring something like L23* or P311* (I've heard rumor that they couldn't get a usable result for P312, if it was even tested for at all - I need to do some more reading). The R1b and Subclades Gateway Project at FTDNA has an estimated age for P312 at 5500-4000 years before present (ybp) or 3500-2000BCE which coincides with the age of the Kromsdorf remains (c. 2600 BCE).

rms2
07-02-2014, 07:09 PM
Cool, thanks for clarifying. Given that U106 was tested for as negative, and M269 is confirmed positive, the clade of M269 that remains is P312 barring something like L23* or P311* (I've heard rumor that they couldn't get a usable result for P312, if it was even tested for at all - I need to do some more reading). The R1b and Subclades Gateway Project at FTDNA has an estimated age for P312 at 5500-4000 years before present (ybp) or 3500-2000BCE which coincides with the age of the Kromsdorf remains (c. 2600 BCE).

I seem to recall someone writing to the authors of the Kromsdorf study and asking them about testing for P312. The reply was that they weren't able to for some reason, that they ran out of useable dna. It is possible that both sets of remains were L11*, which is why they tested U106-. I suspect they were P312 of some kind.

BritainsDNA
07-10-2014, 08:51 AM
Hi everyone! I just wanted to write a short message to say that maintenance on our customer results area was completed last week, and as such results are now online. We had experienced some technical difficulties whilst upgrading the back-end IT framework of the results area, which simply took longer to fix than anticipated. We really appreciated your patience whilst this was being completed and apologise for the inconvenience that this caused. Thank you! Katie, BritainsDNA

Wulf Warrior
07-10-2014, 01:20 PM
Hi everyone! I just wanted to write a short message to say that maintenance on our customer results area was completed last week, and as such results are now online. We had experienced some technical difficulties whilst upgrading the back-end IT framework of the results area, which simply took longer to fix than anticipated. We really appreciated your patience whilst this was being completed and apologise for the inconvenience that this caused. Thank you! Katie, BritainsDNA

I'm more confident about ordering the test kit now results are accessible. thank you for updating us Katie.

Much obliged!

Joel
08-20-2014, 12:08 AM
Seems like the pages are down again. Hopefully not for long. I got 2 messages that my results were ready last Saturday. Unfortunately what they said was ready was everything but what I had ordered (which was the Raw Results) and when I went to the web site, it still said my results were not ready. I wrote to them last Sunday, but I haven't heard back yet. The results were due in 8-10 weeks. The 10 weeks are up this Thursday, so we'll see what happens.

Joel

rms2
08-20-2014, 08:07 AM
I just checked and the site is working now.

Wulf Warrior
08-20-2014, 06:31 PM
Yes it's up now, It's now been precisely one month since they should have received my sample, so in theory only a few weeks left until my results.

rms2
11-28-2014, 12:36 AM
When I tried to login to my BDNA account this evening, I got a "This Account Has Been Suspended" message. Whoa!

Anyone else getting that message?

I hope this is just a temporary glitch.

I have emailed BritainsDNA and asked them about it.

Adrian Stevenson
11-28-2014, 07:54 AM
Same here, must be a glitch!

Cheers, Ade.

Salkin
11-28-2014, 09:14 AM
I'm getting it too. Did they forget to pay their hosting provider or something? :P Hope it gets sorted quickly...

rms2
11-28-2014, 03:01 PM
Thanks, gentlemen.

I heard back from them this morning. They said it was a temporary web site problem. The site is back up now. B)