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Tolan
06-27-2014, 08:00 PM
Download your countries of Ancestry matches.
With a spreadsheet, sort by chromosome.
Copy the results of one chromosome in a text file .txt or other.
Open it with google chrome and then, note the number of occurrence for every country by Ctrl+F

I maked a map for a better view.
I did not put the chromosomes which have no enough matches, or if the results are not enough "differentiated".

1999

Mehrdad
06-27-2014, 09:24 PM
Are you using your report from one of the testing companies or are you using results from GedMatch or some other tool?

vettor
06-28-2014, 12:03 AM
maybe its gedmatch

until more info comes about from post 1 ...I will do map later
Takes a long time for me to do a map..


mine are

Chr-2 = Italy
Chr -3 = Netherlands
Chr-5 = Wales , Ireland
Chr -6 = Poland , Italy
Chr -7 = Italy
Chr-11 = Germany
Chr- 16 = Corfu
Chr-17 = Italy
Chr-21 = Swiss
Chr-22 = Austria
Chr -X = Austria


As stated, I will map it later

BTW - do certain CHR numbers indicate anything in regards to geography as it age timespan of chromosome, example, does Chr#22 indicate one oldest geographical position .........I was told this once before , but I am sceptical

MitchellSince1893
06-28-2014, 02:04 AM
OP is referring to 23andme's Countries of Ancestry tool.

Old World Country with all 4 grandparents from same country: Chromosome #
Austria: 1, 2, 7
Belgium: 10
Bosnia Herzogovina: 8, 14
Bulgaria: 9
Croatia: 2, 7
Denmark: 2, 6, 12, 17
Estonia: 4, 17
Finland: 1, 4, 7, 8, 10
France: 1, 9, 10
Germany: 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 12, 18, 20, X
Greece: 9
Hungary: 7, 9, 15
India: 12,
Ireland: 2, 3, 4, 5, 8, 9, 10, 11, 14, 15, 16, 17
Italy: 4, 6, 7
Latvia: 5
Lithuania: 7, 10
Moldova: 3
Netherlands: 3, 4, 6, X
Norway: 3, 4, 12, 15, 19
Poland: 2, 6
Romania: 2, 7, 9, 10
Russia: 1, 4, 10, 12, 14
Slovakia: 4
Spain: 18
Sweden: 1, 3, 4, 9, 12, 15
Switzerland: 9, X
Ukraine: 3
United Kingdom: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 17, 19, 20, 21, X

Top 10 Countries / 4 or more chromosomes
UK: 20 chromosomes
Germany: 12 chromosomes
Ireland: 12 chromosomes
Sweden: 6 chromosomes
Finland: 5 chromosomes
Norway: 5 chromosomes
Russia: 5 chromosomes
Denmark 4 chromosomes
Netherlands: 4 chromosomes
Romania: 4 chromosomes

vettor
06-28-2014, 03:11 AM
OP is referring to 23andme's Countries of Ancestry tool.

Old World Country with all 4 grandparents from same country: Chromosome #
Austria: 1, 2, 7
Belgium: 10
Bosnia Herzogovina: 8, 14
Bulgaria: 9
Croatia: 2, 7
Denmark: 2, 6, 12, 17
Estonia: 4, 17
Finland: 1, 4, 7, 8, 10
France: 1, 9, 10
Germany: 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 12, 18, 20, X
Greece: 9
Hungary: 7, 9, 15
India: 12,
Ireland: 2, 3, 4, 5, 8, 9, 10, 11, 14, 15, 16, 17
Italy: 4, 6, 7
Latvia: 5
Lithuania: 7, 10
Moldova: 3
Netherlands: 3, 4, 6, X
Norway: 3, 4, 12, 15, 19
Poland: 2, 6
Romania: 2, 7, 9, 10
Russia: 1, 4, 10, 12, 14
Slovakia: 4
Spain: 18
Sweden: 1, 3, 4, 9, 12, 15
Switzerland: 9, X
Ukraine: 3
United Kingdom: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 17, 19, 20, 21, X

Top 10 Countries / 4 or more chromosomes
UK: 20 chromosomes
Germany: 12 chromosomes
Ireland: 12 chromosomes
Sweden: 6 chromosomes
Finland: 5 chromosomes
Norway: 5 chromosomes
Russia: 5 chromosomes
Denmark 4 chromosomes
Netherlands: 4 chromosomes
Romania: 4 chromosomes

isn't it better to do your 4 parents noted in a chromosme under a nation, instead of "strangers"?

you must have your 4 parents in another nation

MitchellSince1893
06-28-2014, 04:58 AM
isn't it better to do your 4 parents noted in a chromosme under a nation, instead of "strangers"?

you must have your 4 parents in another nation

I don't understand what you are saying. If you mean my 4 grandparents...then 23andme isn't referring to my grandparents...but the 4 grandparents of the tester that I match. I'm simply repeating what 23andme is reporting in the countries of ancestry tool, which I believe what the OP was referring to.

For example: On chromosomes 1, 2, and 7, I match 3 individuals that have all 4 grandparents from Austria.

Humanist
06-28-2014, 05:09 AM
Going by greatest cM shared per chromosome.


1 Iraq
2 Iraq
3 Iran
4 Iraq
5 Iran
6 Iraq/Iran
7 Iran/Turkey
8 Iran
9 Iran
10 Iraq/Iran/Turkey
11 Iraq
12 Iraq
13 Iraq/Iran/Turkey
14 Iraq
15 Iran
16 “Not Provided”
17 “Not Provided”
18 Turkey
19 Iraq
20 Iraq
21 Iraq/Iran/Turkey
22 Iraq/Turkey
X Iraq

vettor
06-28-2014, 05:36 AM
I don't understand what you are saying. If you mean my 4 grandparents...then 23andme isn't referring to my grandparents...but the 4 grandparents of the tester that I match. I'm simply repeating what 23andme is reporting in the countries of ancestry tool, which I believe what the OP was referring to.

For example: On chromosomes 1, 2, and 7, I match 3 individuals that have all 4 grandparents from Austria.

what I am saying is ........isn't it better to use the " your relative's "
Mom's Mum
Mom's Dad
Dad's Mum
Dad's Dad


segment length 8.8cm

so If your are English and the above states all Sweden after Mom's Mom , Mom's Dad etc etc ............this must tell your ancestral path. The other system could only tell you a recent marriage


something similar to link
http://blog.kittycooper.com/2014/03/figuring-out-a-dna-relatives-shared-dna-with-23andmes-countries-of-ancestry/

MitchellSince1893
06-28-2014, 06:00 AM
what I am saying is ........isn't it better to use the " your relative's "
Mom's Mum
Mom's Dad
Dad's Mum
Dad's Dad


segment length 8.8cm

so If your are English and the above states all Sweden after Mom's Mom , Mom's Dad etc etc ............this must tell your ancestral path. The other system could only tell you a recent marriage

My 4 grandparents are not living and didn't have dna tests performed. They were all born in the US and their ancestry is from various countries, so I'm not sure how I could do what you are saying.

Tolan
06-28-2014, 06:12 AM
I do not have enough matches with 4 same country ... as I count all occurrences.
Certainly, it is less reliable, but statistically, it should be pretty close to reality for countries of many occurrences.

If I compare with the results of "ancestry composition" in chromosome view, there are some similarities:
For example, in chromosome 5, "23 and me" see one of my two portions "Italian" on chromosome 5, and Italy is the country where I have the most matches on chromosome 5.
On chromosome 6, ancestry composition see my unique segment "Eastern European" and yes, I matches with many Polish with chromosome 6.

My other chromosomes are essentially British & Irish and French & German in "ancestry composition", which seems pretty consistent with my other matches.

Unfortunately, it seems that there is not much French in "23 and me", or then I little cousin with my fellow citizen..:\

MitchellSince1893
06-28-2014, 06:21 AM
Going by greatest cM shared per chromosome.


Doing it your way I get:

1. Finland
2. UK
3. UK
4. Norway
5. UK
6. UK
7. UK
8. UK
9. UK
10. UK
11. UK
12. Denmark
13. UK
14. UK
15. UK
16. Ireland
17. UK
18. Germany
19 Norway
20 Germany
21. UK
22. Not provided
X: UK

vettor
06-28-2014, 07:16 AM
at humanist

Doing it your way I get:

1. France
2. Italy
3. Netherlands
4. France
5. Austria
6. Switzerland
7. Italy
8. Italy
9. Slovenia
10. Austria
11. Italy
12. Italy
13. Italy
14. Austria
15. Italy
16. France
17. Italy
18. Italy
19 . Ireland
20 Italy
21. Switzerland
22. Austria
X: Germany

evon
06-28-2014, 10:51 AM
Humanist way:

Paternal aunt:

1: Norway
2: Norway
3: Norway
4: Norway
5: Norway
6: Norway
7: Norway
8: Norway
9: Norway
10: Norway
11: Norway
12: Norway
13: Norway
14: Norway
15: Norway
16: Norway
17: Italy/Cuba
18: Norway
19: Norway
20: UK
21: Norway
22: Afghanistan
X: Norway

Me:

1: Norway
2: Ireland
3: Norway
4: Norway
5: Finland
6: Norway
7: Norway
8: Norway
9: Norway
10: Norway
11: Norway
12: UK
13: UK
14: Ireland
15: Norway
16: Norway
17: Norway
18: Norway
19: Norway
20: Norway
21: Denmark
22: Norway
X: ------- None

Maternal Uncle:

1: Norway
2: Norway
3: Netherlands
4: Norway
5: Norway
6: Sweden
7: Norway
8: Norway
9: Norway
10: Norway
11: Norway
12: Norway
13: Norway
14: Netherlands
15: Belgium
16: UK
17: Norway
18: Norway
19: -------- None
20: Norway
21: Norway
22: Norway
X: Norway

Maternal Granny:

1: Norway
2: Denmark
3: Norway
4: Norway
5: Norway
6: Norway
7: Norway
8: Finland
9: Norway
10: Norway
11: Finland
12: Norway
13: Norway
14: Denmark
15: Norway
16: Serbia
17: Norway
18: Norway
19: Norway
20: Norway
21: Norway
22: Norway
X: Norway

Tolan
06-28-2014, 04:25 PM
Humanist way:

1: Norway
2: UK
3: France
4: Ireland
5: Portugal
6: Sweden
7: Germany
8: Bulgaria
9: UK
10: Finland
11: ---- None
12: UK
13: ---- None
14: Ireland
15: ---- None
16: Bulgaria
17: Norway
18: Poland
19: ---- None
20: UK
21: Sweden
22: ---- None
X: Belgium

Tolan Way:
1: Ireland (18 occurrences)
2: UK (25)
3: UK (12)
4: Poland (20)
5: Italy (14)
6: Poland (33)
7: Germany (5)
8: UK (13)
9: UK (14)
10: Germany (20)
11: UK (5)
12: UK (20)
13: Sweden (2)
14: Ireland (6)
15: UK (3)
16: Bulgaria (4)
17: Ukraine (10)
18: Poland and Netherland (4)
19: Hungary and Belgium (2)
20: UK (11)
21: Norway and Sweden (4)
22: France and UK (2)
X: Belgium (4)

MitchellSince1893
06-28-2014, 08:40 PM
Doing it your way (largest cM) I get:

1. Finland
2. UK
3. UK
4. Norway
5. UK
6. UK
7. UK
8. UK
9. UK
10. UK
11. UK
12. Denmark
13. UK
14. UK
15. UK
16. Ireland
17. UK
18. Germany
19 Norway
20 Germany
21. UK
22. Not provided
X: UK

Tolan Way (most occurrences per chromosome)
1. Finland (61)
2. UK (36)
3. UK (36)
4. UK (16)
5. Ireland (24)
6. UK (17)
7. UK (31)
8. UK (11)
9. UK (19)
10. UK (25)
11. UK (17)
12. UK (30)
13. UK (52)
14. UK (20)
15. Ireland (20)
16. Ireland (8)
17. Germany & Ireland (5 each)
18. Germany & Spain (4 each)
19. UK (6)
20. UK (9)
21. UK 4)
22. Germany (3)
X. UK (14)

Stephen1986
06-29-2014, 02:05 PM
My Countries of Ancestry -

Using 4GP at 5cM, Old World only (number listed is the chromosome the country is found on) -

UK - 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, X
Ireland - 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9, 10, 18, 19, 21
Germany - 1, 2, 3, 4, 12
Czech Republic - 2
Denmark - 2, 5, 10, 15, 18
Finland - 2, 4, 6
Hungary - 2, 17
Italy - 2, 10, 16
Norway - 2, 10, 12, 20
Poland - 2, 4, 17, 18
Portugal - 2, 8, 17
Sweden - 2, 3, 4, 6, 10, 12, 18
Netherlands - 3, 5
Bosnia and Herzegovina - 4
Belgium - 5
Estonia - 5
Romania - 5, 17
Switzerland - 6
Croatia - 7
Ukraine - 8, 10
Belarus - 10, 18
France - 10
Russia - 10, 12
Turkey - 12, 20
Greece - 16
Iceland - 17

Countries by number of chromosomes -

UK - 22
Ireland - 12
Sweden - 7
Germany - 5
Denmark - 5
Norway - 4
Poland - 4
Finland - 3
Italy - 3
Portugal - 3
Hungary - 2
Netherlands - 2
Romania - 2
Ukraine - 2
Belarus - 2
Russia - 2
Turkey - 2
Czech Republic - 1
Bosnia and Herzegovina - 1
Belgium - 1
France - 1
Switzerland - 1
Croatia - 1
Estonia - 1
Greece - 1
Iceland - 1

I'm not sure how you find the greatest cM shared by chromosome - do you add the totals for each 4GP country?

My brother's Countries of Ancestry -

Using 4GP at 5cM, Old World only (number listed is the chromosome the country is found on) -

United Kingdom - 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, X
Ireland - 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 14, 18, 20
Netherlands - 1, 2, 10
Germany - 1, 2, 4, 8, 10, 11, 12, 14
Austria - 2, 7
Denmark - 2, 5, 8
Greece - 2
Russia - 2
France - 2, 3, 7, 16, 20
Bosnia and Herzegovina - 2, 4
Italy - 2, 13, 18
Sweden - 2, 4, 5, 8, 12, 17, 20
Norway - 2, 8, 12, 20
Belgium - 2, 3, 8
Czech Republic - 2
Portugal - 2
Hungary - 2, 11
Poland - 2, 4, 5, 17
Finland - 2, 3, 4, 5, 8, 17, 21
Switzerland - 6
Romania - 9, 17
Iran - 9
Portugal - 10, 17
Russia - 12, 20
Iceland - 17
Turkey - 20

Countries by number of chromosomes -

The number in parentheses is the difference between my matches and his -

UK - 21 (-1)
Ireland - 13 (+1)
Sweden - 7 (same)
Germany - 8 (+3)
Denmark - 3 (-2)
Norway - 4 (same)
Poland - 4 (same)
Finland - 7 (+4)
Italy - 3 (same)
Portugal - 2 (-1)
Hungary - 2 (same)
Netherlands - 3 (+1)
Romania - 2 (same)
Ukraine - 0 (-2)
Belarus - 0 (-2)
Russia - 2 (same)
Turkey - 1 (-1)
Czech Republic - 1 (same)
Bosnia and Herzegovina - 2 (+1)
France - 5 (+4)
Switzerland - 1 (same)
Croatia - 0 (-1)
Estonia - 0 (-1)
Greece - 1 (same)
Iceland - 1 (same)
Iran - 1 (+1)

Táltos
06-29-2014, 03:39 PM
If we are using the advanced settings and putting the cm all the way up to 15, I only have two matches. They are on the X and from the United Kingdom. I really wasn't sure if this is what you guys are doing, or just leaving it at the default setting. If I do what Stephen1986 did with the cm down to 5cm, my post would be really long. I would have just about every country in Europe, countries in the Americas, Morocco, Turkey, Palestinian Territory, Syria, Iran, and India. With no matches at all making it on to my chromosomes 18 or 21.

Down to 5 cm, my top 5 countries for this week anyway.
Poland-chromosomes:1,2,3,4,5,6,7,9,10,11,13,14,16,17
Russia-2,3,4,5,6,7,9,10,12,13,16,22
UK-1,2,3,4,6,7,8,10,12,15,17,18,22, X
Germany-1,2,3,4,6,7,9,10,12,13,17
Greece-2,3,4,6,7,9,10,11,12,16,17,20

And obviously some chromosomes will have several matches on one of the them. For instance I have 19 four GP matches from Germany overall, but only 16 four GP from Greece. So Greece is listed behind Germany even though they are on more chromosomes.