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DMXX
06-29-2014, 11:11 PM
Shared by Dienekes a couple of days ago (http://dienekes.blogspot.co.uk/2014/06/4000-year-old-chariot-burial-from.html), where he commented on it being contemporaneous to Sintashta culture burials. Very interesting find.



The burial site, which would've been intended for a chief, dates back over 4,000 years to a time archaeologists call the Early Bronze Age, said Zurab Makharadze, head of the Centre of Archaeology at the Georgian National Museum.

Archaeologists discoveredthe timber burial chamber within a 39-foot-high (12 meters) mound called a kurgan. When the archaeologists reached the chamber they found an assortment of treasures, including two chariots, each with four wooden wheels.
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While the human remains had been disturbed by a robbery, which probably occurred in ancient times, and were in a disordered position, the archaeologists found that seven people were buried in the chamber. "One of them was a chief and others should be the members of his family, sacrificed slaves or servants," Makharadze told Live Science in an email.
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Other rich kurgan burials dating to the second half of the third millennium B.C. have also been found in the south Caucasus,said Makharadze in another paper he presented in February at the College de France in Paris. The appearance of these rich burials appears to be connected to interactions that occurred between nomadic people from the Eurasian steppes and farming communities within and near the south Caucasus, Makharadze said.


[Link (http://www.livescience.com/46513-ancient-chariot-burial-discovered.html)]


http://i.livescience.com/images/i/000/067/562/i02/Chariot-Burial-Discovery-3.jpg

soulblighter
06-30-2014, 12:28 AM
I have always found the chariot vs cart debate interesting. It looks like this one has 4 wheels and hence would be classified as a cart? Were the Andronovo burials 2 wheeled? If so, this could point to the direction of movement, assuming this is confirmed to be a tumulus burial.

Jean M
06-30-2014, 12:28 AM
The problem is that they are not actually chariots. Some problem in translation no doubt. They are wagons with four solid wheels i.e. the type of vehicle invented about 3500 BC. The chariot has two spoked wheels and appears first in Sintashta.

DMXX
06-30-2014, 12:30 AM
The problem is that they are not actually chariots.

Ah yes, that'd make these carts given they're four-wheeled... Will change the title to reflect this. Thank you for pointing this out.

parasar
06-30-2014, 06:35 PM
Wouldn't the purpose be important?
For example the bottom figure on this page looks to be that of a four wheeled chariot - Fig. 2 http://books.google.com/books?id=6alT6zhVUlAC&pg=PA84

While this is not a chariot but a two-wheeled horse pulled ekka transport:
http://i.imgur.com/fn2zpCN.jpg
Indian Horse Cart (Ekka)

Jean M
06-30-2014, 08:06 PM
Wouldn't the purpose be important? .. While this is not a chariot but a two-wheeled horse pulled ekka transport:


A lot of different names to denote different sorts of animal-powered wheeled transport have appeared just in English vocabulary. In the 18th century alone, we had coach, barouche, whisky, gig, phaeton, hackney, growler and heaven knows what else. :biggrin1: The ekka you show above is a bit like a gig.

However, when talking about the earliest prehistoric wheeled transport, people usually stick to 'wagon' or 'cart' for the early, solid-wheeled, heavy, four-wheeled type, and 'chariot' for the faster, lighter, stripped-down type that we could see as the sports cars of its era. It makes a big difference in chronological terms. Of course once spoked wheels had been invented, they were used on four-wheeled vehicles as well.

parasar
06-30-2014, 08:14 PM
...
For example the bottom figure on this page looks to be that of a four wheeled chariot - Fig. 2 http://books.google.com/books?id=6alT6zhVUlAC&pg=PA84 ...


Photograph of the above http://rockartofindia.webs.com/apps/photos/photo?photoid=171781470
http://memberfiles.freewebs.com/82/61/60726182/photos/undefined/morhana11.7.10%20118-1.jpg


From Thrace, http://www.thehistoryblog.com/archives/6608
http://www.thehistoryblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/four-wheeled-chariot-and-horses.jpg

Jean M
06-30-2014, 08:23 PM
Photograph

Does look more like a chariot even with the four wheels, as the driver seems to be standing. Who can say what we should call it? The word chariot doesn't really bother me in this case.

Humanist
06-30-2014, 09:20 PM
While this is not a chariot but a two-wheeled horse pulled ekka transport:
http://i.imgur.com/fn2zpCN.jpg
Indian Horse Cart (Ekka)

Neat picture. I wonder where they were headed. :)