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Gray Fox
07-23-2014, 07:24 PM
Since my data was uploaded yesterday I have been utilizing the admixture utilities at Gedmatch. I'm very new to all of this and I'm not exactly sure how to interpret some of these results. I have the typical "Great, Great Grandma was a Cherokee princess" stories on either side of the family. Though I only show trace amounts of NA admixture and zero East Asian in these runs. Any comments or opinions are most welcomed. As you can tell by my ethnic description, I am of predominantly Colonial American background.

Here is the Eurogenes K13 admix run:

2112

I'll post the other runs in subsequent replies as I don't want a gigantic, space consuming post.

Gray Fox
07-24-2014, 05:04 AM
I forgot to add this. This is the oracle reference data for the K13 admixture utility.

My X-Chromosome data hasn't been completely processed yet. Is the Southwest English typical or is this reflective of my ancestral links there?

Admix Results (sorted):


# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 47.61
2 Baltic 22.28
3 West_Med 16.13
4 West_Asian 7.7
5 South_Asian 2.36
6 Red_Sea 1.33
7 East_Med 1.03
8 Oceanian 0.8
9 Northeast_African 0.77

Single Population Sharing:


# Population (source) Distance
1 Southwest_English 5.03
2 Dutch 5.74
3 Southeast_English 5.87
4 Irish 5.91
5 Orcadian 6.02
6 West_Scottish 6.57
7 German 6.62
8 Danish 6.83
9 Norwegian 9.25
10 Swedish 10.47
11 French 10.93
12 North_Swedish 15.93
13 Austrian 16.69
14 Spanish_Cataluna 17.66
15 Hungarian 17.9
16 Southwest_French 18.17
17 Spanish_Galicia 18.69
18 Spanish_Cantabria 18.71
19 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 18.77
20 Portuguese 19.32

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 93.4% Southwest_English + 6.6% Kalash @ 2.87
2 93.6% Southwest_English + 6.4% Burusho @ 2.98
3 94.1% Southwest_English + 5.9% Balochi @ 2.98
4 94.2% Southwest_English + 5.8% Brahui @ 2.99
5 93.7% Southwest_English + 6.3% Pathan @ 3.05
6 92.9% Southwest_English + 7.1% Afghan_Pashtun @ 3.05
7 94.2% Southwest_English + 5.8% Makrani @ 3.12
8 93.7% Southwest_English + 6.3% Punjabi_Jat @ 3.13
9 92.3% Southwest_English + 7.7% Tadjik @ 3.19
10 94.3% Southwest_English + 5.7% Sindhi @ 3.19
11 93% Southwest_English + 7% Afghan_Tadjik @ 3.23
12 93% Southwest_English + 7% Balkar @ 3.25
13 92.8% Southwest_English + 7.2% Chechen @ 3.26
14 93.3% Southwest_English + 6.7% North_Ossetian @ 3.27
15 93.2% Southwest_English + 6.8% Adygei @ 3.3
16 93% Southwest_English + 7% Kumyk @ 3.38
17 93.1% Southwest_English + 6.9% Lezgin @ 3.44
18 94.2% Southwest_English + 5.8% Georgian @ 3.48
19 92.5% Southwest_English + 7.5% Nogay @ 3.48
20 94.5% Southwest_English + 5.5% Abhkasian @ 3.49

Gray Fox
07-24-2014, 05:07 AM
Here's the oracle 4 read out..

Again with the Southwest English.

Admix Results (sorted):


# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 47.61
2 Baltic 22.28
3 West_Med 16.13
4 West_Asian 7.70
5 South_Asian 2.36
6 Red_Sea 1.33
7 East_Med 1.03


Finished reading population data. 179 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Southwest_English @ 5.769258
2 Dutch @ 6.415807
3 Irish @ 6.616638
4 Southeast_English @ 6.711864
5 Orcadian @ 6.731988
6 West_Scottish @ 7.417046
7 German @ 7.518755
8 Danish @ 7.674846
9 Norwegian @ 10.323995
10 Swedish @ 11.718954
11 French @ 12.582569
12 North_Swedish @ 17.826942
13 Austrian @ 19.209740
14 Spanish_Cataluna @ 20.152802
15 Southwest_French @ 20.465837
16 Hungarian @ 20.546690
17 Spanish_Cantabria @ 21.165712
18 Spanish_Galicia @ 21.258076
19 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 21.362055
20 Portuguese @ 22.075689

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% German +50% Southwest_English @ 5.008457


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% Spanish_Cantabria +25% Swedish @ 4.387656


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Irish + Irish + Spanish_Cantabria + Swedish @ 4.387656
2 Irish + Irish + Norwegian + Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.414229
3 Irish + Irish + Southwest_French + Swedish @ 4.429735
4 Irish + Irish + Norwegian + Spanish_Galicia @ 4.447071
5 Irish + Irish + Norwegian + Southwest_French @ 4.451761
6 Irish + Irish + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Swedish @ 4.536065
7 Irish + Irish + Irish + Spanish_Galicia @ 4.561359
8 Irish + Irish + Spanish_Galicia + Swedish @ 4.561670
9 Irish + Irish + Norwegian + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.562143
10 Dutch + Irish + Irish + Southwest_French @ 4.572284
11 Irish + Spanish_Cantabria + Swedish + West_Scottish @ 4.602512
12 Dutch + French + Irish + Irish @ 4.609808
13 Irish + Irish + Norwegian + Spanish_Extremadura @ 4.621201
14 Dutch + Irish + Norwegian + Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.629564
15 French + Irish + Irish + Irish @ 4.630970
16 Irish + Irish + Spanish_Andalucia + Swedish @ 4.631210
17 Irish + Southwest_French + Swedish + West_Scottish @ 4.634549
18 Irish + Irish + Norwegian + Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.640549
19 Dutch + Irish + Irish + Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.647975
20 Irish + Irish + Irish + Southwest_French @ 4.651792

Alpine Hominin
07-24-2014, 06:25 PM
You can wrap your results with "Spoiler" tags in "Go Advanced" to help you keep clutter down.

Like you I'm of mostly Colonial American ancestry, and the top of our tables look very similar. My known relatives are mostly English, North Irish and French.

K13 oracle:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 50.58
2 Baltic 22.61
3 West_Med 15.6
4 West_Asian 3.4
5 South_Asian 2.24
6 East_Med 1.28
7 Amerindian 1.03
8 Sub-Saharan 0.97
9 Red_Sea 0.91
10 Northeast_African 0.84
11 Siberian 0.55

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southwest_English 3.1
2 Orcadian 4.07
3 Southeast_English 4.29
4 West_Scottish 4.56
5 Irish 4.62
6 Danish 5.14
7 Dutch 5.62
8 German 8.03
9 Norwegian 8.26
10 Swedish 9.94
11 French 12.21
12 North_Swedish 15.58
13 Spanish_Cataluna 18.47
14 Southwest_French 18.65
15 Austrian 18.77
16 Spanish_Cantabria 19.31
17 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 19.42
18 Spanish_Galicia 19.62
19 Hungarian 19.86
20 Portuguese 20.27

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 75% Norwegian + 25% French_Basque @ 2.37
2 88.2% Orcadian + 11.8% French_Basque @ 2.54
3 84.3% Danish + 15.7% French_Basque @ 2.65
4 97.9% Southwest_English + 2.1% West_Greenlander @ 2.69
5 98.3% Southwest_English + 1.7% East_Greenlander @ 2.74
6 98.6% Southwest_English + 1.4% North_Amerindian @ 2.74
7 98.5% Southwest_English + 1.5% San @ 2.75
8 98.6% Southwest_English + 1.4% Mbuti_Pygmy @ 2.76
9 98.3% Southwest_English + 1.7% Chamar @ 2.77
10 98.6% Southwest_English + 1.4% Bantu_N.E. @ 2.77
11 98.6% Southwest_English + 1.4% Luhya @ 2.77
12 98.5% Southwest_English + 1.5% Sudanese @ 2.77
13 98.3% Southwest_English + 1.7% Austroasiatic_Ho @ 2.78
14 98.8% Southwest_English + 1.2% Mayan @ 2.78
15 98.7% Southwest_English + 1.3% Biaka_Pygmy @ 2.78
16 98.6% Southwest_English + 1.4% Ethiopian_Anuak @ 2.79
17 98.8% Southwest_English + 1.2% Pima @ 2.79
18 83.6% West_Scottish + 16.4% Southwest_French @ 2.79
19 98.3% Southwest_English + 1.7% North_Kannadi @ 2.79
20 97.2% Southwest_English + 2.8% Mari @ 2.79

Oracle - 4:
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 50.58
2 Baltic 22.61
3 West_Med 15.60
4 West_Asian 3.40
5 South_Asian 2.24
6 East_Med 1.28
7 Amerindian 1.03


Finished reading population data. 179 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Southwest_English @ 3.313934
2 Orcadian @ 4.458591
3 Southeast_English @ 4.787922
4 West_Scottish @ 5.060587
5 Irish @ 5.139726
6 Danish @ 5.689261
7 Dutch @ 6.311682
8 German @ 9.186097
9 Norwegian @ 9.206549
10 Swedish @ 11.120216
11 French @ 14.008598
12 North_Swedish @ 17.433352
13 Southwest_French @ 20.979221
14 Spanish_Cataluna @ 21.040682
15 Austrian @ 21.605976
16 Spanish_Cantabria @ 21.815344
17 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 22.080229
18 Spanish_Galicia @ 22.312853
19 Hungarian @ 22.853523
20 Portuguese @ 23.132229

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Southwest_English +50% Southwest_English @ 3.313934


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Danish +25% French_Basque +25% North_Swedish @ 2.616603


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Danish + French_Basque + Norwegian + Swedish @ 2.317522
2 Danish + French_Basque + Norwegian + Norwegian @ 2.345197
3 French_Basque + Norwegian + Norwegian + Norwegian @ 2.428130
4 French_Basque + Swedish + Swedish + West_Scottish @ 2.444339
5 Danish + French_Basque + Swedish + Swedish @ 2.445223
6 Danish + French_Basque + North_Swedish + West_Scottish @ 2.445708
7 Danish + French_Basque + Irish + North_Swedish @ 2.450398
8 French_Basque + Norwegian + Swedish + West_Scottish @ 2.464913
9 French_Basque + Irish + Norwegian + Swedish @ 2.471347
10 French_Basque + Irish + Swedish + Swedish @ 2.517004
11 French_Basque + Irish + North_Swedish + West_Scottish @ 2.517375
12 French_Basque + Irish + Irish + North_Swedish @ 2.532958
13 French_Basque + Norwegian + Orcadian + Swedish @ 2.538016
14 French_Basque + North_Swedish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.562916
15 French_Basque + Irish + Norwegian + Norwegian @ 2.583642
16 French_Basque + Norwegian + Norwegian + Orcadian @ 2.616354
17 Danish + Danish + French_Basque + North_Swedish @ 2.616603
18 French_Basque + Orcadian + Swedish + Swedish @ 2.619277
19 French_Basque + Norwegian + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 2.620734
20 French_Basque + Norwegian + Norwegian + Swedish @ 2.626621

Gray Fox
07-24-2014, 10:18 PM
Thanks for sharing, Alpine. I was starting to think I was just talking to myself!

Chad Rohlfsen
07-24-2014, 10:37 PM
What is your known ancestry? Do you have a lot of Cornish/Welsh?

Gray Fox
07-24-2014, 10:43 PM
I'd say my known ancestry is around sixty percent British, twenty-five percent Palatinate German and smaller percentages of French Huguenot, Welsh and Irish. Aside from my y-line being from Devon and a line or two from Wales, I really don't know of any.

MitchellSince1893
07-24-2014, 11:10 PM
I have a lot of colonial American ancestry too around 75%...my mom is more like 100% with my dad being about 50%.

I've posted my K13 results before but here are my mom's K13 results. Her ancestry is from the Southern colonies (mostly NC and SC).

Genealogically she's about 40% Scot/Scot-Irish, 30% English, 15% German, 5% Irish, 5% Nordic, 5% Other European

Population
North_Atlantic 46.04%
Baltic 27.57%
West_Med 12.71%
West_Asian 5.69%
East_Med 3.13%
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 2.92%
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.48%
Oceanian 0.25%
Northeast_African 1.21%
Sub-Saharan -

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Dutch @ 3.508523
2 German @ 4.156389
3 Norwegian @ 5.910430
4 Danish @ 6.278776
5 Swedish @ 6.431875
6 Orcadian @ 6.709909
7 Southeast_English @ 7.096955
8 Irish @ 7.729384
9 West_Scottish @ 8.749655
10 Southwest_English @ 8.831259
11 North_Swedish @ 11.570735
12 French @ 14.994117
13 Austrian @ 15.165776
14 Hungarian @ 16.272766
15 Southwest_Finnish @ 19.769640
16 Polish @ 21.552908
17 Spanish_Cataluna @ 23.376734
18 Serbian @ 23.523018
19 Ukrainian_West @ 23.876844
20 Southwest_French @ 24.301172

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% German +50% Norwegian @ 2.944491


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Danish +25% Polish +25% Southwest_English @ 2.378690


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Danish + Irish + Polish + Southwest_English @ 2.298093
2 Danish + Southwest_English + Ukrainian_West + West_Scottish @ 2.319297
3 Danish + Polish + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.355265
4 Danish + Southwest_English + Ukrainian + West_Scottish @ 2.363519
5 Danish + Irish + Southwest_English + Ukrainian_West @ 2.364231
6 Danish + Polish + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.367185
7 Danish + Danish + Polish + Southwest_English @ 2.378690
8 Danish + Irish + Southwest_English + Ukrainian @ 2.383561
9 Danish + Danish + Southwest_English + Ukrainian_West @ 2.405074
10 Irish + Irish + Polish + Southeast_English @ 2.407603
11 Danish + Orcadian + Polish + Southwest_English @ 2.422365
12 Irish + Polish + Southeast_English + Southwest_English @ 2.446283
13 Irish + Southeast_English + Ukrainian_West + West_Scottish @ 2.446948
14 Irish + Polish + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 2.457165
15 Irish + Orcadian + Polish + Southwest_English @ 2.457658
16 Danish + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Ukrainian @ 2.461092
17 Southeast_English + Ukrainian_West + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.463066
18 Danish + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Ukrainian_West @ 2.463289
19 Austrian + Norwegian + Norwegian + Southwest_English @ 2.464371
20 Southwest_English + Ukrainian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.46453

Ahaddad
08-05-2014, 09:03 PM
How i upload my X-chromossome? because before i can see my results in Gedmatch i know i can't. I'm FTDNA user

dp
08-05-2014, 10:40 PM
How i upload my X-chromossome? because before i can see my results in Gedmatch i know i can't. I'm FTDNA user
You need your Build 36 (.gz) file from FTDNA. Mine was named N87877-x-chromosome-o36-results.csv.gz
The file is archived but just follow the procedure on the right side of your screen in GEDMATCH to upload it. It will have to be tokenized like your autosomal files so only one-to-one comparisons will be available today.
dp :-)
PS: there's a GEDMATCH mapping thread you may find of interest. http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?1778-Mapping-Your-Location-(GEDmatch-calculators)

Here's the instructions from GEDMATCH:
X-DNA Data Upload

Raw data files for both autosomal and X-DNA are provided by FTDNA to recipients of their Family Finder test.
X-DNA files can be uploaded here, for use in other tests and comparisons available on this site.

Instructions:
1. Log in to your FTDNA account. Hold your mouse pointer over 'Family Finder' in the top blue banner, then click on "Download Raw Data" when it appears.
2. Scroll to the bottom of the page and then Left click on 'Build 36 X Chromosome Raw Data'
3. Select "Save file" in the box that appears and click 'OK' to download the file and save it. BE SURE TO NOTICE WHERE IT IS BEING SAVED. If you're not sure, check your 'downloads' folder later. The file will have a name similar to: '123456_x_o36_results.csv.gz' where '123456' will be replaced by your FTDNA kit number. (Macintosh users read THIS) 4. Go to http://www.GEDmatch.Com
5. Log in with your email address and password.
6. Click on "Upload your FF X-DNA raw data file" (takes you to this page)
7. Fill out the form below according to the instructions beside each blank.
8. Click on "Browse" to find and select the file you downloaded from FTDNA in step 3.
9. Click on "Upload" to send the file to GEDmatch.Com
10. After a couple of minutes, you should see the word "FINISHED".
11. Note that FTDNA uploads will not be processed until both the Autosomal and X data have been uploaded. A separate GEDmatch utility it used to upload the Autosomal data.

rms2
08-06-2014, 08:10 PM
Since you've shown me yours, I'll show you mine.

2257

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 51.4
2 Baltic 23.05
3 West_Med 12.77
4 West_Asian 4.96
5 East_Med 4.04
6 South_Asian 1.47
7 Siberian 0.96
8 Amerindian 0.93
9 Sub-Saharan 0.26
10 Oceanian 0.12
11 Red_Sea 0.03
12 East_Asian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Orcadian 1.93
2 Southeast_English 2.1
3 Danish 2.45
4 West_Scottish 2.81
5 Irish 3.09
6 Southwest_English 3.15
7 Dutch 4.41
8 German 6.48
9 Norwegian 6.96
10 Swedish 8.6
11 French 12.5
12 North_Swedish 14.58
13 Austrian 17.91
14 Hungarian 19.08
15 Spanish_Cataluna 19.37
16 Southwest_French 20.49
17 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 20.57
18 Spanish_Cantabria 20.96
19 Spanish_Galicia 20.97
20 Portuguese 21.23

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 60% Southeast_English + 40% West_Scottish @ 1.25
2 53.7% Orcadian + 46.3% Southeast_English @ 1.31
3 92.8% Danish + 7.2% French_Basque @ 1.39
4 91.8% Danish + 8.2% Spanish_Aragon @ 1.4
5 56.6% Southeast_English + 43.4% Danish @ 1.45
6 64.3% Southeast_English + 35.7% Irish @ 1.45
7 94.6% Orcadian + 5.4% Spanish_Murcia @ 1.45
8 94.6% Orcadian + 5.4% Spanish_Valencia @ 1.46
9 94% Orcadian + 6% Spanish_Cataluna @ 1.48
10 97.5% Orcadian + 2.5% Sephardic_Jewish @ 1.49
11 95.3% Orcadian + 4.7% Spanish_Andalucia @ 1.5
12 95% Orcadian + 5% Spanish_Aragon @ 1.51
13 96.4% Orcadian + 3.6% Tuscan @ 1.52
14 95.1% Orcadian + 4.9% Spanish_Extremadura @ 1.53
15 91.4% Orcadian + 8.6% French @ 1.53
16 95% Orcadian + 5% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.53
17 94.6% Orcadian + 5.4% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 1.53
18 98.1% Orcadian + 1.9% Lebanese_Druze @ 1.53
19 97.4% Orcadian + 2.6% South_Italian @ 1.53
20 94.8% Orcadian + 5.2% Portuguese @ 1.53

rms2
08-06-2014, 08:45 PM
Here's the Dodecad V3 version.

2258

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_European 53.64
2 Mediterranean 26.02
3 East_European 10.2
4 West_Asian 8.39
5 Northwest_African 0.73
6 Northeast_Asian 0.44
7 Southeast_Asian 0.37
8 South_Asian 0.21

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 CEU (HapMap) 1.68
2 Orcadian (HGDP) 3.01
3 Argyll (1000 Genomes) 3.27
4 Orkney (1000 Genomes) 3.4
5 N._European (Xing) 3.74
6 German (Dodecad) 7.48
7 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 8.14
8 Dutch (Dodecad) 9.14
9 French (HGDP) 9.48
10 French (Dodecad) 9.96
11 Kent (1000 Genomes) 11.17
12 British_Isles (Dodecad) 12.98
13 British (Dodecad) 13.13
14 Cornwall (1000 Genomes) 13.7
15 Irish (Dodecad) 15.98
16 Swedish (Dodecad) 16.53
17 Slovenian (Xing) 16.86
18 Norwegian (Dodecad) 17.17
19 French_Basque (HGDP) 20.88
20 Hungarians (Behar) 20.99

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 90.4% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 9.6% North_Italian (HGDP) @ 1.03
2 94.2% Orcadian (HGDP) + 5.8% S_Italian (Dodecad) @ 1.06
3 91.8% Orcadian (HGDP) + 8.2% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 1.08
4 90.4% Orcadian (HGDP) + 9.6% TSI (HapMap) @ 1.09
5 93% Orcadian (HGDP) + 7% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 1.09
6 90.5% Orcadian (HGDP) + 9.5% Tuscan (Xing) @ 1.1
7 94% Orcadian (HGDP) + 6% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 1.12
8 93.4% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 6.6% S_Italian (Dodecad) @ 1.12
9 93.8% Orcadian (HGDP) + 6.2% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 1.12
10 92% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 8% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 1.13
11 90.8% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 9.2% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 1.13
12 89.3% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 10.7% IBS (1000Genomes) @ 1.17
13 92.2% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 7.8% Sardinian (HGDP) @ 1.18
14 93.3% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 6.7% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 1.19
15 89.2% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 10.8% TSI (HapMap) @ 1.19
16 90.5% Orcadian (HGDP) + 9.5% Tuscan (Henn) @ 1.19
17 89.4% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 10.6% N_Italian (Dodecad) @ 1.2
18 92.4% Orcadian (HGDP) + 7.6% Tuscan (HGDP) @ 1.2
19 91.3% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 8.7% Tuscan (HGDP) @ 1.21
20 93% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 7% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 1.22

rms2
08-06-2014, 09:25 PM
Since I seem to be the only one posting in this thread right now, I will finish up with the MDLP interpretation of my data.

2259

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North-East-European 49.76
2 Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 33.62
3 North-European-Mesolithic 6.38
4 West-Asian 5.76
5 Indo-Iranian 1.71
6 Near_East 1.07
7 South-America_Amerind 0.58
8 Samoedic 0.41
9 South-African 0.32
10 Indian 0.31
11 Austronesian 0.08

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 CEU_V (derived) 1.99
2 German_V (derived) 3.31
3 Welsh (derived) 4.03
4 Austrian (derived) 4.58
5 Swedish (derived) 4.85
6 Norwegian_V (derived) 4.91
7 CEU (derived) 4.93
8 German-North (derived) 5.33
9 British (derived) 6.03
10 German (derived) 6.56
11 Hungarian (derived) 6.57
12 Orcadian (derived) 6.7
13 Slovenian (derived) 7.25
14 Swedish_V (derived) 7.62
15 Croatian (derived) 8.78
16 German-South (derived) 8.89
17 Czech (derived) 9.86
18 Bosnian (derived) 9.87
19 Serbian (derived) 10.62
20 Croatian_V (derived) 11.38

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 60.5% German_V (derived) + 39.5% Norwegian_V (derived) @ 1.06
2 98.2% CEU_V (derived) + 1.8% Bra1 (derived) @ 1.19
3 98.4% CEU_V (derived) + 1.6% North-European-Mesolithic (ancestral) @ 1.2
4 98.2% CEU_V (derived) + 1.8% Bra2 (derived) @ 1.23
5 79.4% CEU (derived) + 20.6% Ukrainian-Center (derived) @ 1.25
6 98% CEU_V (derived) + 2% Saami (derived) @ 1.27
7 78.9% CEU (derived) + 21.1% Ukrainian_V (derived) @ 1.31
8 85.3% Swedish (derived) + 14.7% Kosovar (derived) @ 1.32
9 57.5% CEU (derived) + 42.5% German (derived) @ 1.34
10 76.6% CEU_V (derived) + 23.4% Norwegian_V (derived) @ 1.37
11 65.4% Swedish (derived) + 34.6% German-South (derived) @ 1.39
12 81.9% CEU (derived) + 18.1% Ukrainian-East (derived) @ 1.42
13 77.8% CEU (derived) + 22.2% Ukrainian-West (derived) @ 1.44
14 52.2% British (derived) + 47.8% German (derived) @ 1.45
15 82.5% CEU (derived) + 17.5% Russian_South (derived) @ 1.48
16 82.1% CEU (derived) + 17.9% Russian_V (derived) @ 1.5
17 52.1% CEU (derived) + 47.9% German-North (derived) @ 1.53
18 79.9% Swedish (derived) + 20.1% Italian_North (derived) @ 1.55
19 82.4% CEU (derived) + 17.6% Ukrainian (derived) @ 1.59
20 84.9% Swedish (derived) + 15.1% Italian-North (derived) @ 1.61

dp
08-06-2014, 09:25 PM
Here are my admix pie charts urls:
Dodecad V3:
http://www.anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2186&d=1406923264
Eurogenes K13
http://www.anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2187&d=1406923264
MDLP World
http://www.anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2185&d=1406923264
MDLP World-22
http://www.anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2265&d=1407425287
World 9
http://www.anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2263&d=1407425251
HarrapaWorld
http://www.anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2264&d=1407425271
dp :-)
PS: rms2, your Eurogenes K13 showed Siberian. My mom showed about the same amount Siberian. My kit didn't have Siberian but had Amerindian. I've been reading on the 23kybp Mal'ta boy. Wonder if Siberian is noise or relevant to European studies.

rms2
08-06-2014, 09:35 PM
I did the MDLP World-22 and am wondering how I ended up with nearly 50% North-East-European.

Of course, each of the projects gives me a fairly sizable East Euro result of some kind.

dp
08-06-2014, 09:44 PM
I've noticed on my dad's side (via my uncles kit) seems to be where my Amerindian derives. He doesn't show any Siberian.
dp :-)

dp
08-06-2014, 09:49 PM
I've wondered about the West Asian, Baloch and Indo-Iranian I've got in my runs. I assume the Baloch is Iran (ie Caucasus Mts). I have no idea what the West Asia represents.
--At least it doesn't read East Asia, or I'd have to wonder about the population datasets :-)
dp :-)

PS: I would merge this with the prior post but don't see how to afterwards delete this one

Alpine Hominin
08-06-2014, 10:57 PM
My Dodecad V3:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_European 52.75
2 Mediterranean 25.93
3 East_European 10.7
4 West_Asian 6.15
5 Southwest_Asian 2.2
6 Northeast_Asian 1.2
7 Northwest_African 0.69
8 South_Asian 0.24
9 Palaeo_African 0.1
10 East_African 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 CEU (HapMap) 2.32
2 N._European (Xing) 3.59
3 Orcadian (HGDP) 3.99
4 Orkney (1000 Genomes) 4.23
5 Argyll (1000 Genomes) 4.31
6 German (Dodecad) 6.8
7 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 9.39
8 French (HGDP) 9.65
9 French (Dodecad) 9.69
10 Dutch (Dodecad) 10.06
11 Kent (1000 Genomes) 12.14
12 British_Isles (Dodecad) 13.8
13 British (Dodecad) 13.93
14 Cornwall (1000 Genomes) 14.59
15 Slovenian (Xing) 16.16
16 Swedish (Dodecad) 16.62
17 Irish (Dodecad) 16.74
18 Norwegian (Dodecad) 17.35
19 Hungarians (Behar) 20.21
20 French_Basque (HGDP) 20.71

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 72.3% French (HGDP) + 27.7% FIN (1000Genomes) @ 1.53
2 88.6% N._European (Xing) + 11.4% Spanish (Dodecad) @ 1.65
3 98.1% CEU (HapMap) + 1.9% Yemen_Jews (Behar) @ 1.7
4 88.8% N._European (Xing) + 11.2% IBS (1000Genomes) @ 1.7
5 88.3% N._European (Xing) + 11.7% Spaniards (Behar) @ 1.73
6 98.1% CEU (HapMap) + 1.9% Saudis (Behar) @ 1.74
7 97.3% CEU (HapMap) + 2.7% Libya (Henn) @ 1.78
8 97.6% CEU (HapMap) + 2.4% Sahara_OCC (Henn) @ 1.78
9 78.2% French (HGDP) + 21.8% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 1.78
10 97.1% CEU (HapMap) + 2.9% Morocco_N (Henn) @ 1.81
11 97.4% CEU (HapMap) + 2.6% North_African (Dodecad) @ 1.81
12 98.8% CEU (HapMap) + 1.2% Chukchi_11 (Rasmussen) @ 1.82
13 98.8% CEU (HapMap) + 1.2% Koryak_15 (Rasmussen) @ 1.82
14 98.7% CEU (HapMap) + 1.3% Nganassan_12 (Rasmussen) @ 1.82
15 97.2% CEU (HapMap) + 2.8% Algeria (Henn) @ 1.82
16 97.6% CEU (HapMap) + 2.4% Egyptans (Behar) @ 1.83
17 97.7% CEU (HapMap) + 2.3% Bedouin (HGDP) @ 1.84
18 97.6% CEU (HapMap) + 2.4% TUNISIA (Henn) @ 1.84
19 92% N._European (Xing) + 8% Sardinian (HGDP) @ 1.84
20 88.1% N._European (Xing) + 11.9% Portuguese (Dodecad) @ 1.85

Oracle - 4:



Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_European 52.75
2 Mediterranean 25.93
3 East_European 10.70
4 West_Asian 6.15
5 Southwest_Asian 2.20
6 Northeast_Asian 1.20


Finished reading population data. 227 populations found.
12 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 CEU @ 2.471951
2 N._European @ 3.924350
3 Orcadian @ 4.382889
4 Orkney @ 4.650414
5 Argyll @ 4.769780
6 German @ 7.441477
7 Mixed_Germanic @ 10.427149
8 French @ 10.589503
9 French @ 10.632177
10 Dutch @ 11.152678
11 Kent @ 13.482852
12 British_Isles @ 15.326190
13 British @ 15.469966
14 Cornwall @ 16.198721
15 Slovenian @ 17.936308
16 Swedish @ 18.407869
17 Irish @ 18.596165
18 Norwegian @ 19.276028
19 Hungarians @ 22.405714
20 French_Basque @ 22.786560

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% CEU +50% CEU @ 2.471951


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Cornwall +25% Finnish +25% Sardinian @ 1.203927


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Cornwall + Cornwall + Finnish + Sardinian @ 1.203927
2 Cornwall + Finnish + Kent + Sardinian @ 1.211074
3 FIN + French_Basque + Norwegian + TSI @ 1.306708
4 Dutch + Dutch + FIN + North_Italian @ 1.337308
5 British_Isles + Cornwall + Finnish + Sardinian @ 1.349113
6 French + French + Swedish + Slovenian @ 1.351480
7 British + Cornwall + Finnish + Sardinian @ 1.364159
8 French + German + N._European + N._European @ 1.388228
9 French + French + Norwegian + Slovenian @ 1.403305
10 French + French + Norwegian + Slovenian @ 1.407923
11 British + Finnish + Kent + Sardinian @ 1.447904
12 FIN + French + Irish + N_Italian @ 1.456304
13 French + French + Swedish + Slovenian @ 1.457004
14 FIN + French + Irish + N_Italian @ 1.469509
15 German + IBS + Swedish + N._European @ 1.470000
16 Finnish + Irish + Kent + Sardinian @ 1.483259
17 French + French + Swedish + Slovenian @ 1.485389
18 CEU + French + German + N._European @ 1.500533
19 FIN + French_Basque + Norwegian + Tuscan @ 1.505641
20 French + Hungarians + Irish + N._European @ 1.513866


I'm not a fan of the inclusion of CEU in admix calculators.

Gray Fox
08-06-2014, 11:24 PM
I thought this thread had finally died out and then I check back and its alive!

Here's my Dodecad V3

2260

Alpine Hominin
08-07-2014, 04:35 AM
My Dodecad World9 results:


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Baltic 73.2
2 Southern 14.1
3 Caucasus_Gedrosia 9.09
4 South_Asian 1.32
5 Siberian 1.2
6 Amerindian 0.97
7 African 0.13

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 3.14
2 Cornwall (1000 Genomes) 3.57
3 Kent (1000 Genomes) 3.84
4 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 3.88
5 British (Dodecad) 3.96
6 Dutch (Dodecad) 4.06
7 German (Dodecad) 4.21
8 British_Isles (Dodecad) 4.56
9 French (HGDP) 5.77
10 Orcadian (HGDP) 6.06
11 Irish (Dodecad) 6.09
12 Orkney (1000 Genomes) 6.22
13 French (Dodecad) 6.23
14 Argyll (1000 Genomes) 6.38
15 Hungarians (Behar) 6.93
16 Polish (Dodecad) 8.76
17 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 8.78
18 Norwegian (Dodecad) 9.75
19 Swedish (Dodecad) 10.34
20 Belorussian (Behar) 10.59

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 50.9% Lithuanian (Dodecad) + 49.1% Castilla_La_Mancha (1000 Genomes) @ 1.03
2 61.9% Swedish (Dodecad) + 38.1% Galicia (1000 Genomes) @ 1.1
3 51.1% Lithuanian (Dodecad) + 48.9% Galicia (1000 Genomes) @ 1.12
4 67% Swedish (Dodecad) + 33% Murcia (1000 Genomes) @ 1.16
5 61.7% Swedish (Dodecad) + 38.3% Castilla_La_Mancha (1000 Genomes) @ 1.17
6 55.7% Cataluna (1000 Genomes) + 44.3% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 1.19
7 63.8% Swedish (Dodecad) + 36.2% Andalucia (1000 Genomes) @ 1.2
8 51% Spaniards (Behar) + 49% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 1.21
9 62.5% Swedish (Dodecad) + 37.5% Extremadura (1000 Genomes) @ 1.22
10 59.9% Swedish (Dodecad) + 40.1% Spaniards (Behar) @ 1.24
11 55.3% Swedish (Dodecad) + 44.7% Cataluna (1000 Genomes) @ 1.25
12 63.2% Swedish (Dodecad) + 36.8% Baleares (1000 Genomes) @ 1.26
13 51.4% Lithuanian (Dodecad) + 48.6% Castilla_Y_Leon (1000 Genomes) @ 1.27
14 58.3% Belorussian (Behar) + 41.7% Aragon (1000 Genomes) @ 1.28
15 50.4% Lithuanians + 49.6% Castilla_La_Mancha (1000 Genomes) @ 1.28
16 58.9% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) + 41.1% Pais_Vasco (1000 Genomes) @ 1.3
17 53.1% Lithuanian (Dodecad) + 46.9% Andalucia (1000 Genomes) @ 1.3
18 56.7% Belorussian (Behar) + 43.3% Cantabria (1000 Genomes) @ 1.31
19 59.5% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) + 40.5% French_Basque @ 1.34
20 63.3% Swedish (Dodecad) + 36.7% Portuguese (Dodecad) @ 1.34


Oracle - 4:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Baltic 73.20
2 Southern 14.10
3 Caucasus_Gedrosia 9.09
4 South_Asian 1.32
5 Siberian 1.20


Finished reading population data. 250 populations found.
9 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Mixed_Germanic @ 3.394988
2 Cornwall @ 3.873860
3 CEU30 @ 4.157814
4 Kent @ 4.181286
5 British @ 4.260866
6 Dutch @ 4.401203
7 German @ 4.563921
8 British_Isles @ 4.962377
9 French @ 6.204316
10 Orcadian @ 6.553384
11 Irish @ 6.594040
12 French @ 6.632656
13 Orkney @ 6.744746
14 Argyll @ 6.870618
15 Hungarians @ 7.732312
16 Polish @ 9.375087
17 Ukranians @ 9.422215
18 Norwegian @ 10.550885
19 Swedish @ 11.133358
20 Belorussian @ 11.291896

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Lithuanian +50% Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.008309


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Lithuanian +25% Galicia +25% Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.007225


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Lithuanian + Russian_B + Aragon + Cataluna @ 0.976671
2 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Galicia + Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.007225
3 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Castilla_La_Mancha + Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.008309
4 Lithuanian + Sardinian + Russian_B + Argyll @ 1.015321
5 Lithuanian + Russian_B + Cataluna + Cantabria @ 1.028816
6 Lithuanian + Orcadian + Sardinian + Russian_B @ 1.029134
7 Irish + Lithuanian + Sardinian + Russian_B @ 1.030539
8 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Spaniards + Galicia @ 1.032198
9 Russian + French + CEU30 + Pais_Vasco @ 1.048245
10 Swedish + Swedish + French + Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.067472
11 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Spaniards + Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.068627
12 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Galicia + Galicia @ 1.074583
13 Lithuanian + Sardinian + Russian_B + Orkney @ 1.075296
14 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Murcia + Cataluna @ 1.083827
15 Russian + Lithuanian + Cataluna + Cantabria @ 1.100411
16 Russian + Lithuanian + Orcadian + Sardinian @ 1.103865
17 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Galicia + Castilla_Y_Leon @ 1.112239
18 Swedish + CEU30 + CEU30 + Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.113137
19 Swedish + CEU30 + CEU30 + Castilla_Y_Leon @ 1.117111
20 Spanish + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Galicia @ 1.119788

Silesian
08-07-2014, 06:16 AM
Eurogenes K13
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MDLP world 22
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Dodecad world9
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HarappaWorld 4-Ancestors Oracle:
# Population Percent
1 NE-Euro 55.41
2 Mediterranean 23.52
3 Baloch 10.39
4 Caucasian 8.85
5 Siberian 1.14

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 mordovian + ukranian + utahn-white + utahn-white @ 2.219030

vettor
08-07-2014, 09:21 AM
Dv3

1 West_European 35.48
2 Mediterranean 33.62
3 West_Asian 14.07
4 East_European 9.91
5 Southwest_Asian 5.29
6 Northwest_African 1.43
7 Neo_African 0.09
8 Palaeo_African 0.09
9 South_Asian 0.03

rms2
08-07-2014, 09:52 AM
My Dodecad V3:

. . .

I'm not a fan of the inclusion of CEU in admix calculators.

I don't like that either. How meaningful is "Northern Europeans from Utah" as a reference population?

I'm not doubting their Northern European ancestry, but that's not much specificity. It seems little better than useless to me.

Shaikorth
08-07-2014, 11:18 AM
CEU for the most part are generic northwest europeans (majority British with some continental mixed in) and most are very similar to Southeast English and Dutch if not interchangeable with them. Some are similar to Scandinavians.

dp
08-07-2014, 03:42 PM
I'm not a fan of the inclusion of CEU in admix calculators.
I'm not fond either.
PS: thanks for the spoiler tag. I'll get around to sharing my Oracle run later. Next time I get to GEDMATCH I want to get additional mixed mode runs, cooresponding to my updated pie charts urls, so I can refine my aforesaid map; then I'll add the final Oracle results over here.

CEU for the most part are generic northwest europeans (majority British with some continental mixed in) and most are very similar to Southeast English and Dutch if not interchangeable with them. Some are similar to Scandinavians.
Yeh, but generic humans. Sounds like your talking about the area that my admixture map --shared elsewhere-- centered onto.
dp :-)

Here are my admix runs used to make the map at
the thread: Mapping Your Location (GEDmatch calculators)
Dodecad V3:

GEDmatch.Com Oracle

This version of GEDmatch Oracle is based on 'Oracle v1' by Dienekes Pontikos. His original program was developed as part of the Dodecad Ancestry Project. More information on Dienekes' orignal program can be found here.

Many thanks also to Zack Ajmal for helping us get this web version of Dienekes' Oracle program developed.

Dodecad V3 Oracle results:

The GEDmatch version of Oracle may give slightly different results from Dienekes version. The GEDmatch version uses FST weighting in its calculations.

Kit FN87877

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_European 51.69
2 Mediterranean 27.52
3 East_European 9.67
4 West_Asian 7.82
5 Southwest_Asian 2.53
6 Northeast_Asian 0.31
7 Northwest_African 0.3
8 Southeast_Asian 0.15

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 CEU (HapMap) 3.38
2 N._European (Xing) 5.03
3 Orcadian (HGDP) 5.37
4 Orkney (1000 Genomes) 5.73
5 Argyll (1000 Genomes) 5.77
6 French (HGDP) 7.87
7 French (Dodecad) 8.13
8 German (Dodecad) 8.41
9 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 9.89
10 Dutch (Dodecad) 10.64
11 Kent (1000 Genomes) 12.75
12 British_Isles (Dodecad) 14.59
13 British (Dodecad) 14.62
14 Cornwall (1000 Genomes) 15.16
15 Slovenian (Xing) 16.18
16 Irish (Dodecad) 17.6
17 Swedish (Dodecad) 18.56
18 Norwegian (Dodecad) 19.13
19 French_Basque (HGDP) 19.43
20 Hungarians (Behar) 20.25

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 55.7% Swedish (Dodecad) + 44.3% N_Italian (Dodecad) @ 0.53
2 87.2% N._European (Xing) + 12.8% Sardinian (HGDP) @ 1.19
3 84.7% N._European (Xing) + 15.3% North_Italian (HGDP) @ 1.25
4 59.4% Swedish (Dodecad) + 40.6% North_Italian (HGDP) @ 1.33
5 81.1% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 18.9% Tuscan (Henn) @ 1.37
6 82.1% Orcadian (HGDP) + 17.9% Tuscan (Henn) @ 1.39
7 88.6% CEU (HapMap) + 11.4% Tuscan (Henn) @ 1.41
8 82.8% N._European (Xing) + 17.2% IBS (1000Genomes) @ 1.43
9 82% N._European (Xing) + 18% Spaniards (Behar) @ 1.43
10 82.7% N._European (Xing) + 17.3% Spanish (Dodecad) @ 1.47
11 89.8% Orcadian (HGDP) + 10.2% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 1.5
12 88.8% CEU (HapMap) + 11.2% TSI (HapMap) @ 1.5
13 84.1% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 15.9% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 1.51
14 90.7% CEU (HapMap) + 9.3% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 1.54
15 89.2% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 10.8% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 1.54
16 51.7% French (HGDP) + 48.3% German (Dodecad) @ 1.54
17 93.9% CEU (HapMap) + 6.1% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 1.59
18 85.1% Orcadian (HGDP) + 14.9% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 1.61
19 81.3% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 18.7% TSI (HapMap) @ 1.62
20 86.4% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 13.6% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 1.62

Eurogenes K13:

GEDmatch.Com Oracle

This version of GEDmatch Oracle is based on 'Oracle v1' by Dienekes Pontikos. His original program was developed as part of the Dodecad Ancestry Project. More information on Dienekes' orignal program can be found here.

Many thanks also to Zack Ajmal for helping us get this web version of Dienekes' Oracle program developed.

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Kit FN87877

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 49.38
2 Baltic 21.22
3 West_Med 16.92
4 West_Asian 5.39
5 Red_Sea 2.23
6 East_Med 2.08
7 Amerindian 1.23
8 Siberian 0.69
9 Sub-Saharan 0.48
10 Northeast_African 0.39

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southwest_English 3.69
2 Southeast_English 5.04
3 Orcadian 5.56
4 Irish 5.8
5 West_Scottish 5.94
6 Dutch 6.37
7 Danish 6.86
8 German 7.79
9 Norwegian 10
10 French 10.17
11 Swedish 11.4
12 Spanish_Cataluna 16.53
13 Southwest_French 16.77
14 North_Swedish 16.93
15 Spanish_Cantabria 17.37
16 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 17.43
17 Spanish_Galicia 17.69
18 Austrian 18.12
19 Portuguese 18.28
20 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 18.92

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 75.4% Irish + 24.6% Southwest_French @ 1.99
2 76.1% Irish + 23.9% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.09
3 89.7% Irish + 10.3% Sardinian @ 2.27
4 75.3% West_Scottish + 24.7% Southwest_French @ 2.38
5 78% Irish + 22% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.39
6 89.5% West_Scottish + 10.5% Sardinian @ 2.4
7 76.9% Irish + 23.1% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.44
8 78.6% Irish + 21.4% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.49
9 76.2% West_Scottish + 23.8% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.51
10 79.3% Dutch + 20.7% French_Basque @ 2.55
11 76.8% Irish + 23.2% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.55
12 78.9% Irish + 21.1% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.57
13 80.2% Irish + 19.8% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.62
14 76.7% West_Scottish + 23.3% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.68
15 87.6% Southwest_English + 12.4% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.74
16 87.1% Southwest_English + 12.9% Southwest_French @ 2.76
17 78% Irish + 22% Portuguese @ 2.76
18 95% Southwest_English + 5% Sardinian @ 2.78
19 78.9% Irish + 21.1% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.78
20 95.4% Southwest_English + 4.6% Moroccan @ 2.78

MDLP World-22

GEDmatch.Com Oracle

This version of GEDmatch Oracle is based on 'Oracle v1' by Dienekes Pontikos. His original program was developed as part of the Dodecad Ancestry Project. More information on Dienekes' orignal program can be found here.

Many thanks also to Zack Ajmal for helping us get this web version of Dienekes' Oracle program developed.

MDLP World-22 Oracle results:

Kit FN87877

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North-East-European 43.52
2 Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 36.51
3 West-Asian 7.24
4 North-European-Mesolithic 5.32
5 Near_East 3.45
6 Indo-Iranian 2.65
7 North-Amerind 0.47
8 Mesoamerican 0.41
9 Samoedic 0.34
10 Sub-Saharian 0.08
11 Indo-Tibetan 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 German-South (derived) 3.55
2 CEU (derived) 4.6
3 British (derived) 5.01
4 Orcadian (derived) 6.43
5 Welsh (derived) 6.62
6 German_V (derived) 6.92
7 CEU_V (derived) 7.23
8 Austrian (derived) 7.46
9 French (derived) 7.92
10 Norwegian_V (derived) 7.93
11 Serbian (derived) 8.03
12 Montenegrin (derived) 8.75
13 Swiss (derived) 8.81
14 Hungarian (derived) 9.76
15 Macedonian (derived) 10.25
16 Bosnian (derived) 11.15
17 Swedish (derived) 11.22
18 Croatian (derived) 11.26
19 Provancestralal (derived) 11.35
20 German-North (derived) 11.5

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 70.3% Orcadian (derived) + 29.7% Gagauz (derived) @ 1.05
2 83.2% CEU (derived) + 16.8% Ashkenazim_V (derived) @ 1.21
3 65.6% Orcadian (derived) + 34.4% Bulgarian (derived) @ 1.25
4 60.6% Swedish_V (derived) + 39.4% Kosovar (derived) @ 1.29
5 87.8% Welsh (derived) + 12.2% Cypriot (derived) @ 1.31
6 93% CEU (derived) + 7% Samaritian (derived) @ 1.31
7 86.6% CEU (derived) + 13.4% Jew_Romania (derived) @ 1.33
8 92.4% CEU (derived) + 7.6% Druze (derived) @ 1.34
9 92.1% CEU (derived) + 7.9% Lebanese (derived) @ 1.36
10 84.9% Welsh (derived) + 15.1% Greek_Cretan (derived) @ 1.41
11 92.7% CEU (derived) + 7.3% Jew_Georgia (derived) @ 1.41
12 87.9% Welsh (derived) + 12.1% Jew_Syria (derived) @ 1.42
13 92.4% CEU (derived) + 7.6% Syrian (derived) @ 1.43
14 91.5% CEU (derived) + 8.5% Jew_Syria (derived) @ 1.43
15 93% CEU (derived) + 7% Jew-Iraqi (derived) @ 1.43
16 92.7% CEU (derived) + 7.3% Palestinian (derived) @ 1.45
17 77.4% CEU (derived) + 22.6% Gagauz (derived) @ 1.47
18 84.4% CEU (derived) + 15.6% Greek_South (derived) @ 1.47
19 91.7% British (derived) + 8.3% Syrian (derived) @ 1.48
20 73.4% CEU (derived) + 26.6% Bulgarian (derived) @ 1.48

Alpine Hominin
08-07-2014, 06:14 PM
CEU for the most part are generic northwest europeans (majority British with some continental mixed in) and most are very similar to Southeast English and Dutch if not interchangeable with them. Some are similar to Scandinavians.

The problem is how unspecific using a recent mixed immigrant population is. Also those of us with Mormon ancestors (Like myself) will see large amounts of CEU assignment rather than meaningful admix results.

vettor
08-07-2014, 06:58 PM
in Gedmatch , the ........Admixture/Oracle Population Search Utility ..........I presume indicates the only tests you should do if all four grand parents are from the same area.
is this how it works?

example .........after saying italian in first screen, it only allows me to select k13 test from all the eurogenes ones .........for north italian

dodecad have most of theirs available

MDLP ...only their world ones

Gray Fox
08-07-2014, 08:33 PM
I'll have to go back later tonight and redo my Eurogenes K13. I didn't save the Oracle 4 run.

Eurogenes K13 Oracle:

Admix Results (sorted):


# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 47.61
2 Baltic 22.28
3 West_Med 16.13
4 West_Asian 7.70
5 South_Asian 2.36
6 Red_Sea 1.33
7 East_Med 1.03


Finished reading population data. 179 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Southwest_English @ 5.769258
2 Dutch @ 6.415807
3 Irish @ 6.616638
4 Southeast_English @ 6.711864
5 Orcadian @ 6.731988
6 West_Scottish @ 7.417046
7 German @ 7.518755
8 Danish @ 7.674846
9 Norwegian @ 10.323995
10 Swedish @ 11.718954
11 French @ 12.582569
12 North_Swedish @ 17.826942
13 Austrian @ 19.209740
14 Spanish_Cataluna @ 20.152802
15 Southwest_French @ 20.465837
16 Hungarian @ 20.546690
17 Spanish_Cantabria @ 21.165712
18 Spanish_Galicia @ 21.258076
19 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 21.362055
20 Portuguese @ 22.075689

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% German +50% Southwest_English @ 5.008457


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% Spanish_Cantabria +25% Swedish @ 4.387656


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Irish + Irish + Spanish_Cantabria + Swedish @ 4.387656
2 Irish + Irish + Norwegian + Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.414229
3 Irish + Irish + Southwest_French + Swedish @ 4.429735
4 Irish + Irish + Norwegian + Spanish_Galicia @ 4.447071
5 Irish + Irish + Norwegian + Southwest_French @ 4.451761
6 Irish + Irish + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Swedish @ 4.536065
7 Irish + Irish + Irish + Spanish_Galicia @ 4.561359
8 Irish + Irish + Spanish_Galicia + Swedish @ 4.561670
9 Irish + Irish + Norwegian + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.562143
10 Dutch + Irish + Irish + Southwest_French @ 4.572284
11 Irish + Spanish_Cantabria + Swedish + West_Scottish @ 4.602512
12 Dutch + French + Irish + Irish @ 4.609808
13 Irish + Irish + Norwegian + Spanish_Extremadura @ 4.621201
14 Dutch + Irish + Norwegian + Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.629564
15 French + Irish + Irish + Irish @ 4.630970
16 Irish + Irish + Spanish_Andalucia + Swedish @ 4.631210
17 Irish + Southwest_French + Swedish + West_Scottish @ 4.634549
18 Irish + Irish + Norwegian + Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.640549
19 Dutch + Irish + Irish + Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.647975
20 Irish + Irish + Irish + Southwest_French @ 4.651792


Dodecad V3 Oracle:

Admix Results (sorted):


# Population Percent
1 West_European 52.39
2 Mediterranean 25.83
3 East_European 10.48
4 West_Asian 8.1
5 Southwest_Asian 1.32
6 South_Asian 1.22
7 Palaeo_African 0.36
8 Neo_African 0.3

Single Population Sharing:


# Population (source) Distance
1 CEU (HapMap) 1.95
2 N._European (Xing) 3.44
3 Orcadian (HGDP) 3.92
4 Argyll (1000 Genomes) 3.92
5 Orkney (1000 Genomes) 4.24
6 German (Dodecad) 6.98
7 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 9.04
8 French (HGDP) 9.56
9 French (Dodecad) 9.89
10 Dutch (Dodecad) 10.02
11 Kent (1000 Genomes) 12.17
12 British_Isles (Dodecad) 13.94
13 British (Dodecad) 14.07
14 Cornwall (1000 Genomes) 14.65
15 Slovenian (Xing) 15.82
16 Irish (Dodecad) 16.88
17 Swedish (Dodecad) 17.06
18 Norwegian (Dodecad) 17.86
19 Hungarians (Behar) 20.02
20 French_Basque (HGDP) 21.07

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 97.1% CEU (HapMap) + 2.9% Makrani (HGDP) @ 0.89
2 97% CEU (HapMap) + 3% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 0.91
3 96.7% CEU (HapMap) + 3.3% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) @ 0.91
4 97.1% CEU (HapMap) + 2.9% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 0.93
5 96.9% CEU (HapMap) + 3.1% Kurd (Xing) @ 0.93
6 97% CEU (HapMap) + 3% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) @ 0.94
7 97.1% CEU (HapMap) + 2.9% Brahui (HGDP) @ 0.94
8 97.1% CEU (HapMap) + 2.9% Iranians (Behar) @ 0.94
9 96.9% CEU (HapMap) + 3.1% Kurd (Dodecad) @ 0.95
10 91.9% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 8.1% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 0.95
11 97.1% CEU (HapMap) + 2.9% Balochi (HGDP) @ 0.96
12 97% CEU (HapMap) + 3% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 0.97
13 97.1% CEU (HapMap) + 2.9% Syrians (Behar) @ 0.98
14 97.3% CEU (HapMap) + 2.7% Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar) @ 0.99
15 97% CEU (HapMap) + 3% Palestinian (HGDP) @ 0.99
16 97.1% CEU (HapMap) + 2.9% Druze (HGDP) @ 1
17 97.1% CEU (HapMap) + 2.9% Lebanese (Behar) @ 1
18 97.1% CEU (HapMap) + 2.9% Jordanians_19 (Behar) @ 1.01
19 97.4% CEU (HapMap) + 2.6% Assyrian (Dodecad) @ 1.02
20 97.2% CEU (HapMap) + 2.8% Samaritians (Behar) @ 1.02


Dodecad V3 Oracle 4:

Admix Results (sorted):


# Population Percent
1 West_European 52.39
2 Mediterranean 25.83
3 East_European 10.48
4 West_Asian 8.10
5 Southwest_Asian 1.32
6 South_Asian 1.22


Finished reading population data. 227 populations found.
12 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 CEU @ 2.108189
2 N._European @ 3.760946
3 Argyll @ 4.313212
4 Orcadian @ 4.348445
5 Orkney @ 4.699151
6 German @ 7.669798
7 Mixed_Germanic @ 10.038339
8 French @ 10.494531
9 French @ 10.880107
10 Dutch @ 11.125261
11 Kent @ 13.528136
12 British_Isles @ 15.500381
13 British @ 15.637527
14 Cornwall @ 16.279219
15 Slovenian @ 17.535900
16 Irish @ 18.777277
17 Swedish @ 18.925110
18 Norwegian @ 19.851757
19 Hungarians @ 22.176821
20 French_Basque @ 23.235918

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% CEU +50% CEU @ 2.108189


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% British_Isles +25% Orkney +25% Romanians_14 @ 1.296495


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Dutch + French + Argyll + Slovenian @ 0.837361
2 Dutch + French + Orkney + Slovenian @ 0.952786
3 French + Kent + Argyll + Slovenian @ 1.005613
4 French + Kent + N._European + Slovenian @ 1.024857
5 French + Mixed_Germanic + Orkney + Slovenian @ 1.042179
6 Dutch + French + Orcadian + Slovenian @ 1.047124
7 Dutch + French + N._European + Slovenian @ 1.081809
8 Dutch + French + Argyll + Slovenian @ 1.085328
9 N_Italian + Swedish + Argyll + N._European @ 1.104043
10 French + Kent + Argyll + Slovenian @ 1.111276
11 Balkans + British + British + CEU @ 1.126064
12 Cornwall + French + Hungarians + N._European @ 1.127316
13 N_Italian + Swedish + Argyll + Argyll @ 1.130005
14 Dutch + French + Hungarians + Mixed_Germanic @ 1.142194
15 Balkans + British + CEU + Cornwall @ 1.146934
16 French + Kent + N._European + Slovenian @ 1.147534
17 Dutch + French + Hungarians + Mixed_Germanic @ 1.160283
18 French + Mixed_Germanic + Orcadian + Slovenian @ 1.180625
19 French + Hungarians + Mixed_Germanic + Mixed_Germanic @ 1.187564
20 Balkans + CEU + Cornwall + Cornwall @ 1.188595

Gray Fox
08-08-2014, 03:17 AM
Scratch that. I did post the Oracle 4 run for Eurogenes. First page for those who may be interested. I hadn't read this for a while and forgot!

Gray Fox
08-09-2014, 08:21 AM
Here's the MDLP variety:

2294

Oracle read out:

Admix Results (sorted):


# Population Percent
1 North-East-European 46.58
2 Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 34.34
3 West-Asian 6.75
4 North-European-Mesolithic 4.73
5 Near_East 3.06
6 Indo-Iranian 2.73
7 Indian 0.64
8 South-America_Amerind 0.51
9 Sub-Saharian 0.4
10 Mesoamerican 0.23
11 South-African 0.03

Single Population Sharing:


# Population (source) Distance
1 German_V (derived) 3.86
2 CEU_V (derived) 4.2
3 Austrian (derived) 4.44
4 CEU (derived) 4.53
5 Welsh (derived) 4.94
6 British (derived) 5.41
7 German-South (derived) 5.95
8 Orcadian (derived) 6.6
9 Norwegian_V (derived) 6.66
10 Hungarian (derived) 6.77
11 Serbian (derived) 7.71
12 German-North (derived) 8.24
13 Slovenian (derived) 8.38
14 Swedish (derived) 8.45
15 Croatian (derived) 8.59
16 German (derived) 8.66
17 Bosnian (derived) 8.92
18 Montenegrin (derived) 9.73
19 Swedish_V (derived) 10.88
20 Macedonian (derived) 10.95

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 53.8% Norwegian_V (derived) + 46.2% Serbian (derived) @ 1.37
2 89.4% CEU_V (derived) + 10.6% Italian-South (derived) @ 1.51
3 90% CEU_V (derived) + 10% Sicilian (derived) @ 1.53
4 88.8% CEU_V (derived) + 11.2% Italian-Center (derived) @ 1.54
5 90.8% CEU_V (derived) + 9.2% Ashkenazim (derived) @ 1.58
6 92.2% CEU_V (derived) + 7.8% Jew_Algeria (derived) @ 1.63
7 92% CEU_V (derived) + 8% Sephardim (derived) @ 1.64
8 67.5% CEU (derived) + 32.5% Bosnian (derived) @ 1.64
9 92.3% Welsh (derived) + 7.7% Iraqi (derived) @ 1.66
10 91.6% CEU_V (derived) + 8.4% Jew_Italia (derived) @ 1.67
11 93% Welsh (derived) + 7% Jew-Iran (derived) @ 1.67
12 92.8% Welsh (derived) + 7.2% Jew_Kurd (derived) @ 1.68
13 88.3% CEU_V (derived) + 11.7% Greek_Center (derived) @ 1.68
14 92.2% Welsh (derived) + 7.8% Syrian (derived) @ 1.69
15 91.4% CEU_V (derived) + 8.6% Jew_Francestrale (derived) @ 1.69
16 85.3% CEU_V (derived) + 14.7% Italian-North (derived) @ 1.7
17 91% CEU_V (derived) + 9% Greek_Cretan (derived) @ 1.71
18 88.9% CEU_V (derived) + 11.1% Greek_East (derived) @ 1.71
19 92.6% Welsh (derived) + 7.4% Iranian (derived) @ 1.74
20 92.6% Welsh (derived) + 7.4% Jew-Uzbekistan (derived) @ 1.74

Oracle 4 read out:

Admix Results (sorted):


# Population Percent
1 North-East-European 46.58
2 Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 34.34
3 West-Asian 6.75
4 North-European-Mesolithic 4.73
5 Near_East 3.06
6 Indo-Iranian 2.73


Finished reading population data. 276 populations found.
22 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 German_V @ 4.333781
2 CEU_V @ 4.728496
3 Austrian @ 4.937879
4 CEU @ 4.995927
5 Welsh @ 5.492492
6 British @ 5.956387
7 German-South @ 6.606775
8 Orcadian @ 7.326236
9 Norwegian_V @ 7.399275
10 Hungarian @ 7.530327
11 Serbian @ 8.568173
12 German-North @ 9.346904
13 Slovenian @ 9.430578
14 Swedish @ 9.537714
15 Croatian @ 9.576074
16 German @ 9.679780
17 Bosnian @ 9.908805
18 Montenegrin @ 10.897479
19 Macedonian @ 12.262230
20 Swedish_V @ 12.265429

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Norwegian_V +50% Serbian @ 1.538545


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% German-North +25% Italian-North +25% Norwegian_V @ 1.405324


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Bulgarian + CEU_V + Norwegian_V + Welsh @ 0.834726
2 Hungarian + Montenegrin + Norwegian_V + Orcadian @ 0.934370
3 British + Gagauz + Swedish_V + Welsh @ 0.981356
4 Austrian + Macedonian + Norwegian_V + Orcadian @ 0.998687
5 Austrian + CEU + Macedonian + Norwegian_V @ 1.004665
6 Gagauz + Orcadian + Swedish_V + Welsh @ 1.015347
7 Hungarian + Macedonian + Norwegian_V + Orcadian @ 1.025700
8 Bulgarian + Norwegian_V + Orcadian + Slovenian @ 1.041529
9 CEU + Italian-North + Norwegian_V + Sorb @ 1.060610
10 Italian-North + Norwegian_V + Orcadian + Ukrainian-Center @ 1.065061
11 Austrian + CEU + Montenegrin + Norwegian_V @ 1.066770
12 Austrian + British + Macedonian + Norwegian_V @ 1.085894
13 British + Bulgarian + German-North + Norwegian_V @ 1.093089
14 Gagauz + Orcadian + Swedish + Welsh @ 1.097813
15 British + Italian-North + Norwegian_V + Sorb @ 1.109377
16 German_V + Macedonian + Norwegian_V + Orcadian @ 1.114814
17 German_V + Macedonian + Norwegian_V + Welsh @ 1.122612
18 CEU + Gagauz + Swedish_V + Welsh @ 1.124406
19 CEU + Hungarian + Montenegrin + Norwegian_V @ 1.125334
20 Bulgarian + German-North + Norwegian_V + Orcadian @ 1.134047

Salkin
08-31-2014, 04:28 PM
Eurogenes K13:
2516

Oracle:
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 50.55
2 Baltic 28.68
3 West_Med 10.35
4 West_Asian 2.86
5 South_Asian 2.34
6 East_Med 2.07
7 Red_Sea 1.42
8 Amerindian 1.38
9 Northeast_African 0.36

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Norwegian 3.08
2 Swedish 4.32
3 Danish 4.32
4 Dutch 4.7
5 Orcadian 5.19
6 Irish 5.8
7 West_Scottish 6.2
8 Southeast_English 6.82
9 German 7.64
10 Southwest_English 7.86
11 North_Swedish 9.79
12 French 16.48
13 Austrian 17.29
14 Southwest_Finnish 17.88
15 Hungarian 18.08
16 Polish 21.59
17 Finnish 23.78
18 Spanish_Cataluna 23.82
19 Ukrainian_West 23.83
20 Ukrainian 24.28

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 67.9% Norwegian + 32.1% Danish @ 2.62
2 73.6% Danish + 26.4% North_Swedish @ 2.69
3 50% Swedish + 50% Danish @ 2.76
4 88.3% Danish + 11.7% Estonian @ 2.77
5 84.2% Danish + 15.8% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.77
6 82.1% Norwegian + 17.9% Southeast_English @ 2.77
7 85.9% Norwegian + 14.1% Southwest_English @ 2.84
8 82.3% Norwegian + 17.7% West_Scottish @ 2.85
9 63% West_Scottish + 37% North_Swedish @ 2.86
10 79.2% Norwegian + 20.8% Orcadian @ 2.87
11 95.6% Norwegian + 4.4% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.87
12 96% Norwegian + 4% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.87
13 95.7% Norwegian + 4.3% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.88
14 96% Norwegian + 4% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.89
15 90.1% Danish + 9.9% Lithuanian @ 2.89
16 96.2% Norwegian + 3.8% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.9
17 96.2% Norwegian + 3.8% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.9
18 96% Norwegian + 4% Portuguese @ 2.9
19 96.3% Norwegian + 3.7% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.91
20 96.1% Norwegian + 3.9% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.91

Oracle 4:
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 50.55
2 Baltic 28.68
3 West_Med 10.35
4 West_Asian 2.86
5 South_Asian 2.34
6 East_Med 2.07
7 Red_Sea 1.42
8 Amerindian 1.38


Finished reading population data. 179 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Norwegian @ 3.357426
2 Swedish @ 4.766819
3 Danish @ 4.837411
4 Dutch @ 5.281576
5 Orcadian @ 5.771932
6 Irish @ 6.575847
7 West_Scottish @ 7.006292
8 Southeast_English @ 7.646473
9 German @ 8.739421
10 Southwest_English @ 8.758842
11 North_Swedish @ 10.892116
12 French @ 18.698210
13 Austrian @ 19.947651
14 Southwest_Finnish @ 20.120384
15 Hungarian @ 20.873278
16 Polish @ 24.718079
17 Finnish @ 26.751137
18 Spanish_Cataluna @ 26.900911
19 Ukrainian_West @ 27.332603
20 Southwest_French @ 27.505312

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Danish +50% Swedish @ 3.001985


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Danish +25% Danish +25% North_Swedish @ 2.884066


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Danish + North_Swedish + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 2.835457
2 Danish + Norwegian + Norwegian + Norwegian @ 2.854686
3 Danish + Danish + Danish + North_Swedish @ 2.884066
4 Danish + Danish + North_Swedish + Norwegian @ 2.917160
5 Danish + Danish + North_Swedish + West_Scottish @ 2.940723
6 Danish + Danish + Norwegian + Swedish @ 2.943634
7 Danish + Norwegian + Norwegian + Swedish @ 2.957887
8 Danish + North_Swedish + Norwegian + Southwest_English @ 2.973861
9 Danish + Danish + Irish + North_Swedish @ 2.988314
10 North_Swedish + Norwegian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.991224
11 Danish + Danish + Swedish + Swedish @ 3.001985
12 Danish + Irish + North_Swedish + Norwegian @ 3.006442
13 Danish + Danish + North_Swedish + Orcadian @ 3.022274
14 North_Swedish + Norwegian + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 3.023116
15 Danish + Danish + Norwegian + Norwegian @ 3.029325
16 Danish + North_Swedish + Swedish + West_Scottish @ 3.040645
17 Norwegian + Norwegian + Norwegian + Southeast_English @ 3.047791
18 Danish + North_Swedish + Norwegian + Orcadian @ 3.052735
19 North_Swedish + Norwegian + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 3.069321
20 Norwegian + Norwegian + Southeast_English + Swedish @ 3.080415

Salkin
08-31-2014, 04:41 PM
MDLP World 22:
2517

Oracle:
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North-East-European 54.05
2 Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 30.85
3 North-European-Mesolithic 5.99
4 West-Asian 4.44
5 Indo-Iranian 1.69
6 Near_East 1.04
7 North-Amerind 0.75
8 Mesoamerican 0.67
9 Paleo-Siberian 0.51

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 German-North (derived) 1.84
2 Swedish (derived) 2.66
3 CEU_V (derived) 4.3
4 German (derived) 4.44
5 Swedish_V (derived) 5.16
6 Slovenian (derived) 5.48
7 German_V (derived) 5.57
8 Austrian (derived) 5.99
9 Czech (derived) 6.27
10 Hungarian (derived) 6.43
11 Welsh (derived) 7.14
12 Norwegian_V (derived) 7.6
13 Slovakian (derived) 7.68
14 Croatian (derived) 8.42
15 Croatian_V (derived) 8.78
16 CEU (derived) 9.26
17 British (derived) 10.16
18 Bosnian (derived) 10.22
19 Orcadian (derived) 10.29
20 Ukrainian-West (derived) 12.6

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 69.2% Swedish (derived) + 30.8% Slovenian (derived) @ 1.17
2 62.9% German-North (derived) + 37.1% Swedish (derived) @ 1.19
3 79.3% German-North (derived) + 20.7% Swedish_V (derived) @ 1.3
4 98.8% German-North (derived) + 1.2% North-European-Mesolithic (ancestral) @ 1.35
5 98.4% German-North (derived) + 1.6% Saami (derived) @ 1.38
6 86% German-North (derived) + 14% Norwegian_V (derived) @ 1.39
7 78.6% Swedish (derived) + 21.4% Croatian (derived) @ 1.41
8 98.7% German-North (derived) + 1.3% Bra1 (derived) @ 1.42
9 98.7% German-North (derived) + 1.3% Bra2 (derived) @ 1.42
10 86.1% CEU_V (derived) + 13.9% Estonian (derived) @ 1.43
11 73.3% Swedish (derived) + 26.7% Czech (derived) @ 1.46
12 74.2% Swedish (derived) + 25.8% Hungarian (derived) @ 1.53
13 68.5% CEU (derived) + 31.5% Russian_Center (derived) @ 1.53
14 97.2% German-North (derived) + 2.8% Finnish-North (derived) @ 1.53
15 79.9% Swedish (derived) + 20.1% Croatian_V (derived) @ 1.54
16 75.8% CEU (derived) + 24.2% Latvian (derived) @ 1.55
17 96.7% German-North (derived) + 3.3% Finnish-South (derived) @ 1.57
18 82.5% Swedish (derived) + 17.5% Bosnian (derived) @ 1.57
19 88.2% Swedish (derived) + 11.8% Latvian_V (derived) @ 1.62
20 98.8% German-North (derived) + 1.2% Cucupa (derived) @ 1.63

Oracle 4:
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North-East-European 54.05
2 Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 30.85
3 North-European-Mesolithic 5.99
4 West-Asian 4.44
5 Indo-Iranian 1.69
6 Near_East 1.04


Finished reading population data. 276 populations found.
22 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 German-North @ 1.951029
2 Swedish @ 2.891298
3 CEU_V @ 4.805342
4 German @ 4.926639
5 Swedish_V @ 5.722478
6 Slovenian @ 6.044332
7 German_V @ 6.272492
8 Austrian @ 6.678385
9 Czech @ 6.941653
10 Hungarian @ 7.180126
11 Welsh @ 7.931347
12 Norwegian_V @ 8.499022
13 Slovakian @ 8.566341
14 Croatian @ 9.380452
15 Croatian_V @ 9.633816
16 CEU @ 10.412694
17 British @ 11.385461
18 Bosnian @ 11.438209
19 Orcadian @ 11.505898
20 Ukrainian-West @ 14.076001

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% German-North +50% Swedish @ 1.264518


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% German-North +25% German-North +25% Swedish @ 1.228765


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Orcadian + Swedish + Swedish + Ukrainian_V @ 1.064015
2 German-North + Slovenian + Swedish + Swedish @ 1.065233
3 British + Swedish + Swedish + Ukrainian_V @ 1.088845
4 British + German-South + Latvian + Norwegian_V @ 1.109473
5 British + Swedish + Swedish + Ukrainian-Center @ 1.123094
6 CEU + German-South + Latvian + Norwegian_V @ 1.130195
7 German-North + Slovenian + Swedish + Swedish_V @ 1.137441
8 German-South + Norwegian_V + Polish + Swedish @ 1.140619
9 CEU_V + Orcadian + Swedish_V + Ukrainian-Center @ 1.143987
10 Orcadian + Swedish + Swedish + Ukrainian-Center @ 1.158509
11 Czech + German_V + Swedish + Swedish_V @ 1.160283
12 CEU_V + Estonian + German-South + Orcadian @ 1.166803
13 British + Estonian + German-South + Swedish @ 1.177774
14 Slovenian + Swedish + Swedish + Swedish @ 1.187505
15 French + Russian_South + Swedish + Swedish_V @ 1.203241
16 CEU_V + Orcadian + Swedish + Ukrainian-Center @ 1.204839
17 French + Russian_Center + Swedish + Swedish @ 1.206809
18 Orcadian + Swedish + Swedish + Ukrainian-West @ 1.210126
19 British + Swedish + Swedish + Ukrainian-West @ 1.212617
20 British + Norwegian_V + Swedish + Ukrainian @ 1.214520

Stephen1986
09-01-2014, 03:14 PM
Here's my MDLP Ancient Roots K18 results -

North_West_European 36.37%
East_European 28.52%
Mediterranean 9.58%
Caucasian 7.54%
Volga-Uralic 4.81%
Roma 2.57%
South_Central_Asian 2.50%
West_Siberian 2.32%
Sami-Finnic 1.63%
East_African 1.40%
Afroasiatic 1.24%
Amerindian 0.75%
Melano-Austronesian 0.36%
South_Indian 0.20%
Archaic_African 0.20%

And my brother's -

1 North_West_European 33.71
2 East_European 26.62
3 Mediterranean 10.51
4 Caucasian 5.54
5 South_Central_Asian 4.81
6 Volga-Uralic 4.72
7 Roma 3.44
8 Sami-Finnic 3.42
9 Afroasiatic 2.77
10 West_Siberian 1.44
11 East_African 0.9
12 South_Indian 0.9
13 Arctic 0.83
14 Amerindian 0.36
15 Melano-Austronesian 0.02

My MDLP World-22 results -

1 North-East-European 48.05
2 Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 33.94
3 West-Asian 7.00
4 North-European-Mesolithic 4.04
5 Indo-Iranian 2.39
6 Near_East 1.61
7 Samoedic 1.37


My brother's -

1 North-East-European 45.67
2 Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 33.30
3 West-Asian 8.04
4 North-European-Mesolithic 5.43
5 Near_East 2.92
6 Indo-Iranian 2.54

My Eurogenes K13 results -

1 North_Atlantic 54.18
2 Baltic 23.02
3 West_Med 12.28
4 West_Asian 5.36
5 Red_Sea 1.61
6 East_Med 1.22


My brother's -

1 North_Atlantic 51.22
2 Baltic 23.41
3 West_Med 11.36
4 West_Asian 5.43
5 East_Med 3.70
6 South_Asian 1.75
7 Red_Sea 1.29

Wolfstroy
09-01-2014, 08:31 PM
The best test for me is the Eurogenes K36. The results are quite similar to my 23andMe AC and they also correspond to my known ancestry (Northern Portuguese, Northern Italian, Broadly European, Native South American).

My results:

1. Iberian: 22.17
2. Italian: 13.93
3. North Sea: 9.69
4. North Atlantic: 9.39
5. West Med: 6.81
6. Central Euro: 6.80
7. East Med: 4.95
8. Amerindian: 4.53
9. East Central Euro: 4.41
10. French: 4.02
11. Fennoscandian: 2.64
12. Arabian: 2.60
13. Near Eastern: 2.34
14. East Balkan: 2.19
15: Others: 3.53

Salkin
09-02-2014, 05:16 AM
Interesting. Eurogenes K36 seems a bit confused about me. Never seen anything find significant Iberian in me before:

Population
Amerindian 0.32%
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque 0.70%
Central_African -
Central_Euro 7.20%
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan -
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 9.15%
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 6.32%
Fennoscandian 16.50%
French 6.94%
Iberian 14.26%
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 4.52%
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 15.23%
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea 18.85%
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med -

Wolfstroy
09-02-2014, 12:34 PM
That's the problem with all these different tests. We always get different results, so we end up cherry picking according to what we know/believe is correct.

Stephen1986
09-04-2014, 07:37 PM
These are for the updated MDLP K17. Oracle results are shown in the spoilers.

My K17 results -

1 Ancestral_East_European_ANE 48.05
2 West_European_HG 26.63
3 Ancestral_Mediterranean_EEF 14.49
4 Caucasian-Basal 4.82
5 Uralic 2.05
6 Ancestral_West_Siberian 1.54
7 African_Sub_Saharian 1.13

Using 1 population approximation:
1 South-German @ 5.127719
2 Mixed_European @ 6.484567
3 North_German @ 7.637002
4 Belgian @ 7.823315
5 N._European @ 8.128398
6 Mixed_German @ 8.594538
7 CEU @ 9.021253
8 Austrian @ 9.055783
9 Icelandic @ 9.754034
10 Welsh @ 9.953234
11 British_Kent @ 11.108301
12 Swede @ 11.287425
13 Cornish @ 11.424897
14 Icelandic @ 12.839182
15 Swede @ 13.314856
16 Scottish_Argyll @ 13.326456
17 Orcadian @ 14.030014
18 Hungarian @ 15.211613
19 French @ 15.783880
20 German @ 17.116417

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Hungarian +50% Scottish_Argyll @ 2.959751


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Scottish_Argyll +25% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha +25% West-Belarusian @ 2.009260


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Mixed_Slav + Scottish_Argyll + Scottish_Argyll + Spanish_Valencia @ 1.737379
2 Lithuanian + Scottish_Argyll + Scottish_Argyll + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.760383
3 Mixed_Slav + Scottish_Argyll + Scottish_Argyll + Spaniards @ 1.760423
4 Belarusian + Scottish_Argyll + Scottish_Argyll + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.767134
5 Hungarian + Scottish_Argyll + Scottish_Argyll + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.824645
6 Mixed_Slav + Scottish_Argyll + Scottish_Argyll + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.905383
7 Occitan + Scottish_Argyll + Scottish_Argyll + West-Belarusian @ 1.927409
8 Mixed_Slav + Portugese + Scottish_Argyll + Scottish_Argyll @ 1.945635
9 East-Belarusian + Scottish_Argyll + Scottish_Argyll + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.964047
10 Croatian + French + North_German + Scottish_Argyll @ 1.969001
11 Pole + Scottish_Argyll + Scottish_Argyll + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.971396
12 Scottish_Argyll + Scottish_Argyll + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + West-Belarusian @ 2.009260
13 East-Belarusian + Occitan + Scottish_Argyll + Scottish_Argyll @ 2.025184
14 Belarusian + Scottish_Argyll + Scottish_Argyll + Spaniards @ 2.028553
15 Mixed_European + Scottish_Argyll + Spanish_Pais_Vasco + Ukrainian @ 2.041556
16 French + French + Pole + Scottish_Argyll @ 2.044906
17 North_German + Scottish_Argyll + Spanish_Pais_Vasco + Ukrainian @ 2.045307
18 East-Belarusian + Scottish_Argyll + Scottish_Argyll + Spaniards @ 2.046422
19 North_German + Scottish_Argyll + Spanish_Cataluna + Ukrainian @ 2.053226
20 Lithuanian + Portugese + Scottish_Argyll + Scottish_Argyll @ 2.054470

My brother's results -

1 Ancestral_East_European_ANE 44.82 (3.23% less than myself)
2 West_European_HG 25.15 (1.48% less than myself)
3 Ancestral_Mediterranean_EEF 16.36 (1.87% more than myself)
4 Caucasian-Basal 3.88 (0.94% less than myself)
5 Ancestral_North_Indian 3.35 (I don't have this component)
6 Uralic 1.92 (0.13% less than myself)
7 Ancestral_Sami-Finnic 1.12 (I don't have this component)
8 Ancestral_West_Siberian 1.08 (0.46% less than myself)

1 South-German @ 4.024354
2 N._European @ 6.099782
3 Belgian @ 6.960132
4 Austrian @ 8.529349
5 Mixed_European @ 8.859841
6 Icelandic @ 9.204855
7 Icelandic @ 9.816065
8 Welsh @ 10.011015
9 CEU @ 10.118891
10 Mixed_German @ 10.546924
11 North_German @ 10.925788
12 Cornish @ 12.057087
13 British_Kent @ 12.142371
14 French @ 13.433302
15 Swede @ 14.527538
16 Scottish_Argyll @ 14.792948
17 Hungarian @ 15.188674
18 Orcadian @ 15.475271
19 Swede @ 16.093691
20 Slovenian @ 18.042639

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Austrian +50% N._European @ 2.644105


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% N._European +25% N._European +25% Slovenian @ 2.449814


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Icelandic + Norwegian + South-Russian + Spanish_Valencia @ 1.820526
2 Icelandic + South-Russian + Spanish_Pais_Vasco + Welsh @ 1.870977
3 Icelandic + Norwegian + Pole + Spanish_Valencia @ 1.896791
4 Cornish + Icelandic + South-Russian + Spanish_Pais_Vasco @ 1.959065
5 Icelandic + Norwegian + South-Russian + Spaniards @ 1.996437
6 CEU + Icelandic + South-Russian + Spanish_Pais_Vasco @ 2.009080
7 Icelandic + Norwegian + South-Russian + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.013748
8 Icelandic + Norwegian + Spanish_Valencia + West-Belarusian @ 2.014518
9 British + Icelandic + Spanish_Valencia + West-Belarusian @ 2.016562
10 Icelandic + Norwegian + Occitan + Sorbs @ 2.026736
11 Croatian + N._European + N._European + N._European @ 2.035460
12 Icelandic + Pole + Spanish_Pais_Vasco + Welsh @ 2.037068
13 Icelandic + Norwegian + Spanish_Valencia + Ukrainian @ 2.041719
14 Icelandic + Scottish_Argyll + South-Russian + Spain_BASC @ 2.047287
15 CEU + Icelandic + Spanish_Pais_Vasco + Ukrainian @ 2.057676
16 Icelandic + Orcadian + South-Russian + Spain_BASC @ 2.058509
17 Icelandic + Norwegian + Pole + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.060671
18 Icelandic + Spanish_Pais_Vasco + Ukrainian + Welsh @ 2.066855
19 Icelandic + Scottish_Argyll + Sorbs + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.072082
20 Belarusian + Icelandic + Norwegian + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.076442

Gray Fox
09-06-2014, 10:38 AM
Updated K17

Admix Results (sorted):

1 Ancestral_East_European_ANE 45.32
2 West_European_HG 25.91
3 Ancestral_Mediterranean_EEF 14.29
4 Caucasian-Basal 6.1
5 Ancestral_North_Indian 2.62
6 Ancestral_Sami-Finnic 2.33
7 Ancestral_West_Siberian 1.79
8 Ancestral_South_Indian 0.74
9 African_Sub_Saharian 0.43
10 Archaic_African 0.24
11 Near-East-Basal 0.24

Oracle

Single Population Sharing:


# Population (source) Distance
1 South-German 4.59
2 Belgian 6.08
3 N._European 7.16
4 Mixed_European 7.45
5 CEU 7.94
6 Welsh 8.02
7 Austrian 8.32
8 Icelandic 8.46
9 Icelandic 8.65
10 North_German 9.3
11 British_Kent 9.49
12 Mixed_German 9.49
13 Cornish 9.65
14 Scottish_Argyll 12.68
15 Swede 12.78
16 Orcadian 13.04
17 French 13.89
18 Hungarian 14.25
19 Swede 14.45
20 British 16.62

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 74.7% Swede + 25.3% Toscani @ 2.53
2 54.1% Austrian + 45.9% Cornish @ 2.71
3 51.3% CEU + 48.7% Austrian @ 2.72
4 69.7% Welsh + 30.3% Croatian @ 2.75
5 77.3% Swede + 22.7% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.77
6 60.2% Cornish + 39.8% Hungarian @ 2.8
7 65% Welsh + 35% Hungarian @ 2.81
8 51% Welsh + 49% Austrian @ 2.85
9 82% South-German + 18% British @ 2.86
10 77.4% South-German + 22.6% Scottish_Argyll @ 2.86
11 62% Austrian + 38% Orcadian @ 2.9
12 78.1% South-German + 21.9% Orcadian @ 2.91
13 73.2% Swede + 26.8% Italian_Piedmont @ 2.91
14 72.1% CEU + 27.9% Serb_BH @ 2.94
15 69.8% South-German + 30.2% Icelandic @ 2.97
16 72.1% CEU + 27.9% Bosnian @ 2.98
17 67.5% Cornish + 32.5% Serb_BH @ 3
18 67.5% Cornish + 32.5% Bosnian @ 3
19 61.3% Austrian + 38.7% Scottish_Argyll @ 3
20 68.1% South-German + 31.9% CEU @ 3.04

Oracle 4

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 South-German @ 4.407681
2 Belgian @ 6.392325
3 N._European @ 7.186375
4 Mixed_European @ 8.126146
5 Icelandic @ 8.513231
6 CEU @ 8.635211
7 Austrian @ 8.919851
8 Welsh @ 9.013601
9 Icelandic @ 9.187495
10 Mixed_German @ 9.290207
11 North_German @ 9.805573
12 British_Kent @ 10.208922
13 Cornish @ 10.706075
14 Swede @ 12.793711
15 Scottish_Argyll @ 13.206533
16 Orcadian @ 13.785254
17 Swede @ 13.920855
18 French @ 14.350075
19 Hungarian @ 15.826990
20 British @ 17.324512

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Austrian +50% CEU @ 2.694402


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% CEU +25% Hungarian +25% Icelandic @ 2.005410


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Belgian + Croatian + Icelandic + Orcadian @ 1.829358
2 British + Icelandic + Macedonian + North_German @ 1.897103
3 CEU + Kosovar + Swede + Swede @ 1.909666
4 Kosovar + Orcadian + Swede + Swede @ 1.930359
5 Cornish + Croatian + Icelandic + Welsh @ 1.934456
6 Kosovar + Swede + Swede + Welsh @ 1.940288
7 CEU + Cornish + Croatian + Icelandic @ 1.947003
8 Belgian + Bulgarian + Orcadian + Swede @ 1.952330
9 Czech + Icelandic + Welsh + Welsh @ 1.956472
10 CEU + Croatian + Icelandic + Welsh @ 1.962685
11 Cornish + Kosovar + Swede + Swede @ 1.966813
12 Belgian + Icelandic + North_German + South-German @ 1.967755
13 Belgian + British + Croatian + Icelandic @ 1.968862
14 Cornish + Kosovar + Swede + Swede @ 1.971844
15 British + Croatian + Occitan + Swede @ 1.985203
16 Austrian + Icelandic + North_German + Welsh @ 1.987105
17 Croatian + Occitan + Scottish_Argyll + Swede @ 1.990259
18 Croatian + Occitan + Orcadian + Swede @ 1.996883
19 CEU + CEU + Hungarian + Icelandic @ 2.005410
20 Cornish + Czech + Icelandic + Welsh @ 2.007027

Isidro
09-06-2014, 12:04 PM
#
Population
Percent


1
Ancestral_East_European_ANE
33.7


2
Ancestral_Mediterranean_EEF
30.61


3
West_European_HG
28.02


4
Caucasian-Basal
4.13


5
African_Sub_Saharian
1.29


6
Ancestral_North_Indian
0.45


7
Archaic_African
0.45


8
Near-East-Basal
0.45


9
Uralic
0.37


10
Ancestral_East_Siberian
0.33


11
Melano-Austronesian
0.13


12
Circumpolar
0.05


13
Ancestral_West_Siberian
0.01


Oracle
Single Population Sharing:



#
Population (source)
Distance


1
Occitan
5.57


2
Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
7.98


3
Spanish_Extremadura
8.26


4
Portugese
9.28


5
Spaniards
9.5


6
Spanish_Valencia
10.03


7
Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon
11


8
French
11.01


9
Spanish_Cataluna
11.36


10
French_South
11.72


11
North_Italian
12.77


12
Spain_BASC
12.87


13
Spanish_Pais_Vasco
14.67


14
Italian_Piedmont
15.73


15
Corsican
15.75


16
N._European
17.8


17
South-German
19.49


18
Belgian
19.63


19
Kosovar
19.7


20
Icelandic
19.95



Is there an easy way on how to use Spoiler?.

Ignis90
09-06-2014, 12:55 PM
Is there an easy way on how to use Spoiler?.

Yes.

Just quote this.

zulkif
09-06-2014, 01:26 PM
My K17 results -

1 Ancestral_East_European_ANE 48.05
2 West_European_HG 26.63
3 Ancestral_Mediterranean_EEF 14.49
4 Caucasian-Basal 4.82
5 Uralic 2.05
6 Ancestral_West_Siberian 1.54
7 African_Sub_Saharian 1.13


My brother's results -

1 Ancestral_East_European_ANE 44.82 (3.23% less than myself)
2 West_European_HG 25.15 (1.48% less than myself)
3 Ancestral_Mediterranean_EEF 16.36 (1.87% more than myself)
4 Caucasian-Basal 3.88 (0.94% less than myself)
5 Ancestral_North_Indian 3.35 (I don't have this component)
6 Uralic 1.92 (0.13% less than myself)
7 Ancestral_Sami-Finnic 1.12 (I don't have this component)
8 Ancestral_West_Siberian 1.08 (0.46% less than myself)


Are these significant differences are only due to the algorithms?

dp
09-06-2014, 03:17 PM
Are these significant differences are only due to the algorithms?
Siblings vary by a low amount. The 50% used between parents and children, is a rough average. I think it can vary 3% per chromosome; ie. one child's chr 1 can be from 53% of a parent, and another child can inherit 47% of the same chr, making a maximum difference of 6%. I'm not sure but this might have an small affect on admixture calculations.
dp :-)
PS: I checked on ISOGG Wiki and found the following:
"Siblings share between 83.81% and 87.47% of SNPs (50% of DNA in common)"

Stephen1986
09-06-2014, 04:31 PM
Are these significant differences are only due to the algorithms?

David explained the sibling difference, but my brother does tend to show some DNA, which I haven't inherited, that seems to show ancestry that doesn't show up in my DNA. For example, on 23andMe and FTDNA he has small bits of MENA, Southern European and East Asian.

Gray Fox
09-06-2014, 11:11 PM
@Isidro

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