GailT
08-09-2014, 06:56 PM
Dienekes blogged (http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2014/08/new-estimates-of-human-mtdna-node-dates.html) on this new, open access mtDNA study: Improved calibration of the human mitochondrial clock using ancient genomes (http://mbe.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2014/08/03/molbev.msu222.abstract)
They conclude that the mtDNA mutation rate and dates of major branches can be more accurately estimated using ancient mtDNA compared to assumptions about the dates of major demographic events or the human-chimp common ancestor.
The Rieux age estimates are similar to the Fu et al study, e.g., they estimate U and H to have ages of 53 and 34 thousand years, respectively. I'm still skeptical of the date for H as it seems incompatible with the diversity we see in modern day H. In contrast to Fu et al., Rieux et al. have included detailed info on the samples they used in their analysis so it should be possible to determine how they arrived at this date for H. Rieux et al. also included 3 ancient H samples. I'll post again after I've had time to analyze these samples.
I don't think Dienekes comments on M, N and L3 makes much sense. This paper reports a phylogeny based on only 350 mtDNA sequences (out of more than 20,000 available) so any diagram they present of the mtDNA phylotree will not represent the full diversity of the known phylotree. There are a large number of L3 subclades not represented in their diagram, so a phylotree based on this very limited dataset does not tell you anything at all about the relationship of M and N to L3, or the origin of L3.
They conclude that the mtDNA mutation rate and dates of major branches can be more accurately estimated using ancient mtDNA compared to assumptions about the dates of major demographic events or the human-chimp common ancestor.
The Rieux age estimates are similar to the Fu et al study, e.g., they estimate U and H to have ages of 53 and 34 thousand years, respectively. I'm still skeptical of the date for H as it seems incompatible with the diversity we see in modern day H. In contrast to Fu et al., Rieux et al. have included detailed info on the samples they used in their analysis so it should be possible to determine how they arrived at this date for H. Rieux et al. also included 3 ancient H samples. I'll post again after I've had time to analyze these samples.
I don't think Dienekes comments on M, N and L3 makes much sense. This paper reports a phylogeny based on only 350 mtDNA sequences (out of more than 20,000 available) so any diagram they present of the mtDNA phylotree will not represent the full diversity of the known phylotree. There are a large number of L3 subclades not represented in their diagram, so a phylotree based on this very limited dataset does not tell you anything at all about the relationship of M and N to L3, or the origin of L3.