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ZephyrousMandaru
08-29-2014, 05:05 AM
I will check tomorrow. I am ordinarily closer to Iraqi Mandaeans, and one of the two Iraqi Mandaeans in particular. But, with this MDLP run, that may be different. Iranian Jews and Iraqi Mandaeans are ordinarily very similar to each other. If you recall, on the many autosomal plots, they frequently plot near to each other.

Yeah, Iraqi Mandaeans are closest to Iranian Jews, followed by Iraqi Jews and then Assyrians in that order. Although individual results can vary, as small percentage differences in components can influence which population you'll be closest to.

Hanna
08-29-2014, 06:32 AM
Thanks to Zeph

MDLP K=17

Me---vs---My aunt
35.08%---37.81% Caucasian-Basal
22.23%---23.53% Ancestral_Mediterran
15.74%---16.75% Ancestral_North_Indi
7.94%---10.15% Near-East-Basal
7.32%---5.08% West_European_HG
2.44%---0.64% Ancestral_East_Siber
2.42%---1.33% Ancestral_West_Siber
2.08%---0.48% Ancestral_East_Europ
1.81%---0.30% South_East_Asıan
0.78%---1.40% Uralic
0.70%---0.37% African_Sub_Saharian
0.39%---0.13% Archaic_African
0.38%---0.00% Circumpolar
0.34%---0.91% Amerindian
0.28%---0.25% Melano-Austronesian
0.04%---0.86% Ancestral_South_Indi
0.04%---0.02% Ancestral_Sami-Finn

Anglecynn
08-29-2014, 01:52 PM
Here are my results, the oracle is much more accurate than it used to be although the order is slightly odd (south German first?), my population is now #2 rather than #13 or #14.
I'll do it for other members of my family later:
8.51% Caucasian-Basal
0.25% Melano-Austronesian
5.55% Uralic
0.25% Ancestral_East_Siber
1.21% Ancestral_West_Siber
5.01% Ancestral_North_Indi
1.01% Ancestral_South_Indi
31.91% West_European_HG
0.94% Ancestral_Sami-Finni
0.17% South_East_Asian
0.27% Archaic_African
11.72% Ancestral_Mediterran
0.00% Circumpolar
2.72% Near-East-Basal
28.69% Ancestral_East_Europ
1.18% African_Sub_Saharian
0.61% Amerindian

[1,] "German-South" "4.0756"
[2,] "English" "4.0889"
[3,] "Scottish" "5.0007"
[4,] "German-Volga" "5.6416"
[5,] "Mixed German-British" "5.8839"
[6,] "Mixed_European" "6.5394"
[7,] "Irish" "6.6965"
[8,] "Mixed_CEU" "7.4332"
[9,] "West-German" "8.4566"
[10,] "Austrian" "8.8432"
[11,] "North_European" "9.9116"
[12,] "German-North" "10.384"
[13,] "Welsh" "11.0677"
[14,] "CEU" "11.6467"
[15,] "Icelandic" "12.7028"
[16,] "Swede" "13.5386"
[17,] "Norwegian" "13.9914"
[18,] "Belgian" "14.2872"
[19,] "Mixed_German" "15.3568"
[20,] "Dane" "15.4841"

[1,] "94.4% German-South + 5.6% Udmurt" "1.7019"
[2,] "94.4% German-South + 5.6% Mari" "2.1716"
[3,] "90.6% English + 9.4% Tatar" "2.4824"
[4,] "6.9% Chuvash + 93.1% English" "2.5275"
[5,] "6.8% Chuvash + 93.2% German-South" "2.5368"
[6,] "91.3% English + 8.7% Kryashen" "2.6621"
[7,] "92.1% English + 7.9% Komi" "2.7012"
[8,] "95% English + 5% Mari" "2.7227"
[9,] "91.4% English + 8.6% Mishar" "2.7253"
[10,] "95.5% English + 4.5% Udmurt" "2.8577"
[11,] "91% English + 9% Russian_South" "2.876"
[12,] "65.5% French + 34.5% Moksha" "2.9034"
[13,] "90.7% English + 9.3% Tatar-Kazan" "2.9652"
[14,] "91.9% German-South + 8.1% Tatar" "3.0156"
[15,] "90.4% English + 9.6% Tatar-Mishar" "3.085"
[16,] "91.4% English + 8.6% Gagauz" "3.0991"
[17,] "9.4% Bulgarian + 90.6% English" "3.1023"
[18,] "89.4% English + 10.6% Ukrainian-Carpathy" "3.1026"
[19,] "94% English + 6% Turk_Aydin" "3.1028"
[20,] "93.2% German-South + 6.8% Komi" "3.1143"

Anglecynn
08-29-2014, 02:14 PM
Here are my paternal Grandfather's results:
7.34% Caucasian-Basal
0.00% Melano-Austronesian
1.68% Uralic
1.70% Ancestral_East_Siber
1.32% Ancestral_West_Siber
5.69% Ancestral_North_Indi
0.97% Ancestral_South_Indi
35.06% West_European_HG
2.07% Ancestral_Sami-Finni
0.00% South_East_Asian
0.00% Archaic_African
10.23% Ancestral_Mediterran
0.38% Circumpolar
1.31% Near-East-Basal
31.01% Ancestral_East_Europ
1.06% African_Sub_Saharian
0.18% Amerindian

[1,] "English" "3.6109"
[2,] "Scottish" "3.9021"
[3,] "German-South" "4.1609"
[4,] "West-German" "5.4831"
[5,] "Mixed_CEU" "6.338"
[6,] "German-North" "6.3832"
[7,] "Irish" "6.4792"
[8,] "Mixed_European" "7.1149"
[9,] "CEU" "8.1825"
[10,] "Mixed German-British" "8.3152"
[11,] "German-Volga" "8.446"
[12,] "Welsh" "8.9567"
[13,] "Swede" "9.2692"
[14,] "North_European" "9.4696"
[15,] "Austrian" "9.9686"
[16,] "Norwegian" "10.5557"
[17,] "Icelandic" "10.9706"
[18,] "Belgian" "11.6999"
[19,] "Mixed_German" "12.6864"
[20,] "British" "13.6165"

[1,] "67.8% English + 32.2% German-North" "2.2206"
[2,] "56.8% Cornish + 43.2% Slovenian" "2.2468"
[3,] "27.2% Czech + 72.8% Welsh" "2.2488"
[4,] "78% German-North + 22% Occitan" "2.31"
[5,] "82.7% German-North + 17.3% Italian-North" "2.3346"
[6,] "77.5% CEU + 22.5% Serb_BH" "2.3372"
[7,] "78% CEU + 22% Serb_Serbia" "2.3625"
[8,] "44.7% Austrian + 55.3% CEU" "2.3745"
[9,] "60% Cornish + 40% Croatian" "2.3834"
[10,] "81.3% German-North + 18.7% Spaniard_Castilla_La_Mancha" "2.3877"
[11,] "28% Slovenian + 72% Welsh" "2.3908"
[12,] "13.9% Mixed_Slav + 86.1% Welsh" "2.4098"
[13,] "77.5% CEU + 22.5% Croat_BH" "2.4201"
[14,] "91% English + 9% Loshbour" "2.4238"
[15,] "15.8% Corsican + 84.2% German-North" "2.4331"
[16,] "24.3% Slovak + 75.7% Welsh" "2.451"
[17,] "21.1% Hungarian + 78.9% Welsh" "2.4615"
[18,] "77.1% CEU + 22.9% Croat" "2.4817"
[19,] "16.7% Belarusian-East + 83.3% Welsh" "2.5611"
[20,] "22.9% Bosnian + 77.1% CEU" "2.5712"

Dimanto
08-29-2014, 02:42 PM
Can someone here run the improved calculator (k17 beta) for me?

Agamemnon
08-29-2014, 02:55 PM
Here are my paternal Grandfather's results:
7.34% Caucasian-Basal
0.00% Melano-Austronesian
1.68% Uralic
1.70% Ancestral_East_Siber
1.32% Ancestral_West_Siber
5.69% Ancestral_North_Indi
0.97% Ancestral_South_Indi
35.06% West_European_HG
2.07% Ancestral_Sami-Finni
0.00% South_East_Asian
0.00% Archaic_African
10.23% Ancestral_Mediterran
0.38% Circumpolar
1.31% Near-East-Basal
31.01% Ancestral_East_Europ
1.06% African_Sub_Saharian
0.18% Amerindian

[1,] "English" "3.6109"
[2,] "Scottish" "3.9021"
[3,] "German-South" "4.1609"
[4,] "West-German" "5.4831"
[5,] "Mixed_CEU" "6.338"
[6,] "German-North" "6.3832"
[7,] "Irish" "6.4792"
[8,] "Mixed_European" "7.1149"
[9,] "CEU" "8.1825"
[10,] "Mixed German-British" "8.3152"
[11,] "German-Volga" "8.446"
[12,] "Welsh" "8.9567"
[13,] "Swede" "9.2692"
[14,] "North_European" "9.4696"
[15,] "Austrian" "9.9686"
[16,] "Norwegian" "10.5557"
[17,] "Icelandic" "10.9706"
[18,] "Belgian" "11.6999"
[19,] "Mixed_German" "12.6864"
[20,] "British" "13.6165"

[1,] "67.8% English + 32.2% German-North" "2.2206"
[2,] "56.8% Cornish + 43.2% Slovenian" "2.2468"
[3,] "27.2% Czech + 72.8% Welsh" "2.2488"
[4,] "78% German-North + 22% Occitan" "2.31"
[5,] "82.7% German-North + 17.3% Italian-North" "2.3346"
[6,] "77.5% CEU + 22.5% Serb_BH" "2.3372"
[7,] "78% CEU + 22% Serb_Serbia" "2.3625"
[8,] "44.7% Austrian + 55.3% CEU" "2.3745"
[9,] "60% Cornish + 40% Croatian" "2.3834"
[10,] "81.3% German-North + 18.7% Spaniard_Castilla_La_Mancha" "2.3877"
[11,] "28% Slovenian + 72% Welsh" "2.3908"
[12,] "13.9% Mixed_Slav + 86.1% Welsh" "2.4098"
[13,] "77.5% CEU + 22.5% Croat_BH" "2.4201"
[14,] "91% English + 9% Loshbour" "2.4238"
[15,] "15.8% Corsican + 84.2% German-North" "2.4331"
[16,] "24.3% Slovak + 75.7% Welsh" "2.451"
[17,] "21.1% Hungarian + 78.9% Welsh" "2.4615"
[18,] "77.1% CEU + 22.9% Croat" "2.4817"
[19,] "16.7% Belarusian-East + 83.3% Welsh" "2.5611"
[20,] "22.9% Bosnian + 77.1% CEU" "2.5712"

I can see you also have "Croatian", "Serb", "Hungarian" and other Balkan populations in your fits... Just like my far-flung cousin.
The "South-German" in the other fits also skews the results (including some of my own fits).

Varun R
08-29-2014, 04:19 PM
The tweaked calculator is shockingly accurate. So it seems like the Caucasian scores have gone up. My West Euro decreased, and my S Indian stayed roughly the same.

39.51% Ancestral_South_Indi
34.14% Ancestral_North_Indi
9.95% Caucasian-Basal
4.44% West_European_HG
3.22% Ancestral_West_Siber
2.70% Ancestral_East_Europ
2.25% South_East_Asian
0.76% Melano-Austronesian
0.74% Uralic
0.73% Archaic_African
0.69% Circumpolar
0.36% Amerindian
0.29% African_Sub_Saharian
0.23% Ancestral_Sami-Finni

[1,] "Brahmin_Karnataka" "4.3916"
[2,] "Tiwari" "6.8037"
[3,] "Pakistani" "8.3346"
[4,] "Vaish" "8.7427"
[5,] "Kshatriya" "9.8948"
[6,] "TN_Brahmin" "9.9287"
[7,] "Punjabi_Jatt_Muslim" "9.9617"
[8,] "Brahmin_Tamil" "10.2444"
[9,] "AP_Brahmin" "11.9795"
[10,] "Meghawal" "12.3627"

[1,] "89.3% Brahmin_Karnataka + 10.7% Kalash" "3.0065"
[2,] "71% Brahmin_Karnataka + 29% Pakistani" "3.0489"
[3,] "66.1% Brahmin_Karnataka + 33.9% Tiwari" "3.1103"
[4,] "84.3% Brahmin_Karnataka + 15.7% Burusho" "3.3449"
[5,] "86.5% Brahmin_Karnataka + 13.5% Pathan" "3.3855"
[6,] "77.1% Brahmin_Karnataka + 22.9% Punjabi_Jatt_Muslim" "3.4014"
[7,] "82.8% Brahmin_Karnataka + 17.2% Punjabi_Jatt_Sikh" "3.4163"
[8,] "85.8% Brahmin_Karnataka + 14.2% Sindhi" "3.4709"
[9,] "91.9% Brahmin_Karnataka + 8.1% Pashtun" "3.5644"
[10,] "92.5% Brahmin_Karnataka + 7.5% Tajik-panjshiri " "3.6352"

Hanna
08-29-2014, 05:07 PM
Again thanks to Zeph got the oracle done for me and my aunt
I think there are no Turks in the oracle? Because we did not get any Turkish match.


My oracle

[,1] [,2]
[1,] "Azeri" "11.2782"
[2,] "Armenian_Yerevan" "12.4829"
[3,] "Iranian Assyrian" "13.4135"
[4,] "Iranian" "13.9844"
[5,] "Jew_Tat" "14.589"
[6,] "Azeri_Dagestan" "14.6686"
[7,] "Iraqi_Mandean" "15.911"
[8,] "Azov_Greek" "17.351"
[9,] "Cypriot-Turk" "18.4087"
[10,] "Iran_Jew" "18.8785"
[11,] "Iraqi_Jew" "21.076"
[12,] "Cirkassian" "21.4375"
[13,] "Iraki" "21.5349"
[14,] "Crimean_Tatar" "21.5619"
[15,] "Greek-Island" "22.5168"
[16,] "Cypriot" "22.7985"
[17,] "Karaite" "23.7814"
[18,] "Cretan" "24.7442"
[19,] "Kabardin" "25.604"
[20,] "Jordanian" "27.349"


[,1] [,2]
[1,] "61.6% Azeri_Dagestan + 38.4% Cypriot" "4.5129"
[2,] "37.3% Cirkassian + 62.7% Iranian Assyrian" "5.1297"
[3,] "41.9% Cirkassian + 58.1% Iraqi_Mandean" "5.3497"
[4,] "66.5% Azeri_Dagestan + 33.5% Druze" "5.538"
[5,] "70.4% Azeri_Dagestan + 29.6% Italian_Jew" "5.5522"
[6,] "63% Azeri_Dagestan + 37% Karaite" "5.5926"
[7,] "56.4% Azeri_Dagestan + 43.6% Cypriot-Turk" "5.6455"
[8,] "46.5% Cirkassian + 53.5% Iran_Jew" "5.7123"
[9,] "50.1% Avar + 49.9% Druze" "5.7718"
[10,] "39.3% Cirkassian + 60.7% Jew_Tat" "5.8617"
[11,] "61.8% Azeri_Dagestan + 38.2% Greek-Island" "5.9241"
[12,] "30.4% Balkar + 69.6% Iranian Assyrian" "6.1955"
[13,] "68.6% Azeri + 31.4% Cirkassian" "6.2123"
[14,] "67.7% Iranian Assyrian + 32.3% Kabardin" "6.2606"
[15,] "49.8% Azeri_Dagestan + 50.2% Jew_Tat" "6.3144"
[16,] "33% Avar + 67% Jew_Tat" "6.3697"
[17,] "28.7% Chechen + 71.3% Iranian Assyrian" "6.3874"
[18,] "60.3% Azeri_Dagestan + 39.7% Iraqi_Jew" "6.3916"
[19,] "49.5% Cirkassian + 50.5% Iraqi_Jew" "6.5671"
[20,] "28.4% Adygei + 71.6% Iranian Assyrian" "6.6466"


My aunt's oracle


[,1] [,2]
[1,] "Armenian_Yerevan" "9.2363"
[2,] "Azeri" "12.2656"
[3,] "Jew_Tat" "12.9115"
[4,] "Iranian Assyrian" "13.0248"
[5,] "Iranian" "14.4098"
[6,] "Iraqi_Mandean" "14.8599"
[7,] "Azeri_Dagestan" "15.7125"
[8,] "Iran_Jew" "17.5338"
[9,] "Iraqi_Jew" "19.7849"
[10,] "Azov_Greek" "20.5876"
[11,] "Cypriot-Turk" "20.7471"
[12,] "Iraki" "21.1594"
[13,] "Cirkassian" "22.9521"
[14,] "Cypriot" "23.2321"
[15,] "Greek-Island" "24.0441"
[16,] "Karaite" "24.8118"
[17,] "Crimean_Tatar" "25.0683"
[18,] "Georgian_Laz" "25.868"
[19,] "Kabardin" "26.123"
[20,] "Cretan" "26.2897"



[,1] [,2]
[1,] "29% Chechen + 71% Jew_Tat" "4.4109"
[2,] "25.9% Abhkasian + 74.1% Iranian Assyrian" "4.8253"
[3,] "25.2% Georgian_Imereti + 74.8% Iranian Assyrian" "4.8747"
[4,] "25.7% Georgians + 74.3% Iranian Assyrian" "4.8751"
[5,] "28.8% Abhkasian + 71.2% Iraqi_Mandean" "5.0907"
[6,] "29.8% Avar + 70.2% Jew_Tat" "5.0955"
[7,] "32.2% Adygei + 67.8% Iraqi_Mandean" "5.1412"
[8,] "28.4% Georgians + 71.6% Iraqi_Mandean" "5.2971"
[9,] "27.9% Georgian_Imereti + 72.1% Iraqi_Mandean" "5.3963"
[10,] "28.6% Adygei + 71.4% Jew_Tat" "5.4357"
[11,] "29.7% Balkar + 70.3% Jew_Tat" "5.4386"
[12,] "36% Chechen + 64% Iran_Jew" "5.4675"
[13,] "34.4% Cirkassian + 65.6% Jew_Tat" "5.4786"
[14,] "33.3% Balkar + 66.7% Iraqi_Mandean" "5.4972"
[15,] "44.2% Azeri_Dagestan + 55.8% Jew_Tat" "5.5098"
[16,] "28.7% Adygei + 71.3% Iranian Assyrian" "5.5242"
[17,] "68.6% Jew_Tat + 31.4% Kabardin" "5.525"
[18,] "66.6% Armenian_Yerevan + 33.4% Azeri_Dagestan" "5.5577"
[19,] "36.2% Adygei + 63.8% Iran_Jew" "5.6932"
[20,] "31.6% Georgian_Laz + 68.4% Iranian Assyrian" "5.783"

MfA
08-29-2014, 05:41 PM
Again thanks to Zeph got the oracle done for me and my aunt
I think there are no Turks in the oracle? Because we did not get any Turkish match.


There are Turks in the Oracle, but this doesn't look right, I don't see any Kurdish too.

BMG
08-29-2014, 06:07 PM
My results on updated calculator

9.58% Caucasian-Basal
1.47% Melano-Austronesian
1.22% Uralic
2.10% Ancestral_East_Siber
0.00% Ancestral_West_Siber
34.24% Ancestral_North_Indi
45.28% Ancestral_South_Indi
0.02% West_European_HG
0.11% Ancestral_Sami-Finni
2.68% South_East_Asian
0.11% Archaic_African
0.00% Ancestral_Mediterran
0.36% Circumpolar
0.04% Near-East-Basal
0.95% Ancestral_East_Europ
0.52% African_Sub_Saharian
1.31% Amerindian

Humanist
08-29-2014, 06:22 PM
There are Turks in the Oracle, but this doesn't look right, I don't see any Kurdish too.

There are some strange things popping up in my Oracle results as well. I am almost as similar to Kurds as I am to "Iranian-Assyrian." Armenians do not appear in my list. Neither do Iranian Jews and several of the other East Mizrahim groups.

Hanna
08-29-2014, 06:35 PM
MFA calculated my grandparents and makes a bit more sense now, however I wouldn't have expected their top match to be Turk when their Asian scores are very low compared to Turks. In the other calculators Turks are like their 3rd-5th match, they usually match with Armenians.


That oracle is calculated with certain groups removed, here's your grandfather and grandmother with unaltered oracles

My grandfather

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FINAL ADMIXTURE PROPORTIONS:
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37.53% Caucasian-Basal
0.00% Melano-Austronesian
1.26% Uralic
0.31% Ancestral_East_Siber
0.21% Ancestral_West_Siber
18.24% Ancestral_North_Indi
0.75% Ancestral_South_Indi
4.22% West_European_HG
1.16% Ancestral_Sami-Finni
1.29% South_East_Asian
0.01% Archaic_African
22.15% Ancestral_Mediterran
0.00% Circumpolar
9.24% Near-East-Basal
1.45% Ancestral_East_Europ
1.07% African_Sub_Saharian
1.11% Amerindian

[1,] "Turk" "9.8122"
[2,] "Kurds_North" "10.0051"
[3,] "Turk_Kayseri" "10.3283"
[4,] "Armenian_Yerevan" "10.7042"
[5,] "Azeri" "10.9628"
[6,] "Non-Iranian Assyrian" "11.3555"
[7,] "Kurd" "11.5681"
[8,] "Assiryan" "11.6959"
[9,] "Iranian" "13.0856"
[10,] "Kurds_East" "13.0968"
[11,] "Iranian Assyrian" "13.1723"
[12,] "Jew_Tat" "13.567"
[13,] "Azeri_Dagestan" "14.1295"
[14,] "Uzbekistani_Jew" "14.7297"
[15,] "Kurds_South" "14.7869"
[16,] "Iraqi_Mandean" "15.18"
[17,] "Iran_Jew" "17.97"
[18,] "Kurd_Jew" "18.544"
[19,] "Kumyk" "19.38"
[20,] "Iraqi_Jew" "20.5659"

[1,] "74.3% Kurd + 25.7% Ossetian" "2.8007"
[2,] "24.2% Abhkasian + 75.8% Kurd" "2.832"
[3,] "23.9% Georgians + 76.1% Kurd" "3.0797"
[4,] "23.4% Georgian_Imereti + 76.6% Kurd" "3.2766"
[5,] "27.3% Adygei + 72.7% Kurd" "3.2852"
[6,] "73.9% Kurd + 26.1% North-Ossetian" "3.4347"
[7,] "20.4% Georgian_Imereti + 79.6% Kurds_North" "3.7013"
[8,] "35.2% Georgian_Laz + 64.8% Kurds_South" "3.7204"
[9,] "28.2% Georgian_Imereti + 71.8% Kurds_South" "3.7646"
[10,] "28.3% Balkar + 71.7% Kurd" "3.7757"
[11,] "32.2% Georgian_Laz + 67.8% Kurds_East" "3.7905"
[12,] "69.5% Jew_Tat + 30.5% Urkarah" "3.7967"
[13,] "20.6% Georgians + 79.4% Kurds_North" "3.9717"
[14,] "25.6% Georgian_Imereti + 74.4% Kurds_East" "3.9807"
[15,] "29.9% Kabardin + 70.1% Kurd" "4.0611"
[16,] "43.9% Azeri_Dagestan + 56.1% Non-Iranian Assyrian" "4.075"
[17,] "20.7% Abhkasian + 79.3% Kurds_North" "4.0861"
[18,] "28.6% Georgians + 71.4% Kurds_South" "4.1305"
[19,] "25.9% Georgians + 74.1% Kurds_East" "4.1694"
[20,] "48.9% Azeri_Dagestan + 51.1% Jew_Tat" "4.1996"

My grandmother

----------------------------
FINAL ADMIXTURE PROPORTIONS:
----------------------------

37.02% Caucasian-Basal
0.42% Melano-Austronesian
2.32% Uralic
0.76% Ancestral_East_Siber
3.35% Ancestral_West_Siber
13.10% Ancestral_North_Indi
0.16% Ancestral_South_Indi
6.59% West_European_HG
0.23% Ancestral_Sami-Finni
0.00% South_East_Asian
0.28% Archaic_African
24.05% Ancestral_Mediterran
0.07% Circumpolar
10.07% Near-East-Basal
1.41% Ancestral_East_Europ
0.16% African_Sub_Saharian
0.02% Amerindian

[1,] "Turk" "8.3302"
[2,] "Non-Iranian Assyrian" "9.634"
[3,] "Armenian_Yerevan" "9.7498"
[4,] "Turk_Kayseri" "10.4886"
[5,] "Assiryan" "11.5367"
[6,] "Kurds_North" "12.7446"
[7,] "Kurd" "13.9546"
[8,] "Jew_Tat" "13.9882"
[9,] "Azeri" "14.2658"
[10,] "Iranian Assyrian" "14.3538"
[11,] "Iraqi_Mandean" "16.1802"
[12,] "Uzbekistani_Jew" "16.2011"
[13,] "Iranian" "16.3519"
[14,] "Kurds_East" "16.3788"
[15,] "Azeri_Dagestan" "16.9004"
[16,] "Kurds_South" "17.5408"
[17,] "Turk_Adana" "17.91"
[18,] "Azov_Greek" "18.1174"
[19,] "Cypriot-Turk" "18.5545"
[20,] "Iran_Jew" "18.806"

[1,] "23.3% Chechen + 76.7% Non-Iranian Assyrian" "3.7122"
[2,] "29.3% Cirkassian + 70.7% Non-Iranian Assyrian" "3.7868"
[3,] "24.6% Balkar + 75.4% Non-Iranian Assyrian" "3.9109"
[4,] "77.6% Non-Iranian Assyrian + 22.4% Urkarah" "3.922"
[5,] "31.4% Kumyk + 68.6% Non-Iranian Assyrian" "3.9652"
[6,] "23.3% Adygei + 76.7% Non-Iranian Assyrian" "4.1072"
[7,] "77.8% Non-Iranian Assyrian + 22.2% North-Ossetian" "4.1802"
[8,] "25.8% Kabardin + 74.2% Non-Iranian Assyrian" "4.2176"
[9,] "23.4% Avar + 76.6% Non-Iranian Assyrian" "4.3596"
[10,] "78.8% Non-Iranian Assyrian + 21.2% Ossetian" "4.4179"
[11,] "23.2% Lak + 76.8% Non-Iranian Assyrian" "4.5057"
[12,] "47.6% Chechen + 52.4% Druze" "4.6999"
[13,] "75.2% Assiryan + 24.8% Ossetian" "4.906"
[14,] "26.7% Adygei + 73.3% Assiryan" "4.9346"
[15,] "74.4% Assiryan + 25.6% North-Ossetian" "4.9468"
[16,] "72% Assiryan + 28% Balkar" "4.9569"
[17,] "25.2% Lezgin + 74.8% Non-Iranian Assyrian" "4.9986"
[18,] "67% Assiryan + 33% Cirkassian" "5.0765"
[19,] "73.7% Assiryan + 26.3% Chechen" "5.0888"
[20,] "87.7% Armenian_Yerevan + 12.3% Scottish_Argyll" "5.1555"

MfA
08-29-2014, 06:44 PM
There are some strange things popping up in my Oracle results as well. I am almost as similar to Kurds as I am to "Iranian-Assyrian." Armenians do not appear in my list. Neither do Iranian Jews and several of the other East Mizrahim groups.

Current Oracle compares K18 results to K17 results which is essentially wrong as they are 2 different calculators. "Iranian-Assyrian"s values in K17 oracle in sum, is less than 100% because of the Roma component being excluded. Otherwise you'd get 0 distance to your sample. Having great distance with Armenians because of calculator effect as I have first match as Azeris and quite distance to Yunusbayev Kurds in the oracle. Still calculator effect in some cases seem to be more prominent compared to other calculators.

Vadim Verenich
08-29-2014, 07:00 PM
I believe that Zeph calculated your results after removing Turks form the Oracle. Otherwise it may look like a severe calculator effect in a first place,

Vadim Verenich
08-29-2014, 07:01 PM
Current Oracle compares K18 results to K17 results which is essentially wrong as they are 2 different calculators. "Iranian-Assyrian"s values in K17 oracle in sum, is less than 100% because of the Roma component being excluded. Otherwise you'd get 0 distance to your sample. Having great distance with Armenians because of calculator effect as I have first match as Azeris and quite distance to Yunusbayev Kurds in the oracle. Still calculator effect in some cases seem to be more prominent compared to other calculators.

Not really, the K18 results have been modified to fit the K17 model

ZephyrousMandaru
08-29-2014, 07:21 PM
I believe that Zeph calculated your results after removing Turks form the Oracle. Otherwise it may look like a severe calculator effect in a first place,

The only populations I removed were "Assiryan" and "Non-Iranian Assyrian". I removed those two, mainly because the latter genome was my own, and the former genome was too similar to my own.


Hanna's Top 20 Populations Unaltered

[,1] [,2]
[1,] "Turk" "6.8126"
[2,] "Kurds_North" "10.5178"
[3,] "Non-Iranian Assyrian" "11.0319"
[4,] "Turk_Kayseri" "11.225"
[5,] "Azeri" "11.2782"
[6,] "Assiryan" "11.6917"
[7,] "Kurd" "12.4762"
[8,] "Armenian_Yerevan" "12.4829"
[9,] "Iranian Assyrian" "13.4135"
[10,] "Iranian" "13.9844"
[11,] "Kurds_East" "14.0105"
[12,] "Jew_Tat" "14.589"
[13,] "Azeri_Dagestan" "14.6686"
[14,] "Kurds_South" "15.0782"
[15,] "Uzbekistani_Jew" "15.3824"
[16,] "Iraqi_Mandean" "15.911"
[17,] "Azov_Greek" "17.351"
[18,] "Cypriot-Turk" "18.4087"
[19,] "Iran_Jew" "18.8785"
[20,] "Kurd_Jew" "19.1014"

Vadim Verenich
08-29-2014, 07:29 PM
Ok, point taken. Then it must be some kind of clerical error, oder was?:)

Vadim Verenich
08-29-2014, 07:32 PM
Below are current scores of Turks in the reference table of Oracle


Turk 31.68 0.29 1.96 3.47 1.03 13.02 0.68 4.92 1.32 2.22 0.32 24.46 0.69 8.07 5.16 0.21 0.47
Turk 32.11 0.54 5.86 3.26 1.00 11.89 0.23 2.97 0.54 1.46 0.81 24.70 1.40 8.65 3.96 0.31 0.36
Turk 37.02 0.42 2.32 0.76 3.35 13.1 0.16 6.59 0.23 0 0.28 24.05 0.07 10.07 1.41 0.16 0.02
Turk 37.53 0 1.26 0.31 0.21 18.24 0.75 4.22 1.16 1.29 0.01 22.15 0 9.24 1.45 1.07 1.11
Turk_Adana 32.87 1.64 13.59 3.62 0.43 6.18 0.00 1.06 0.75 3.48 2.93 29.12 0.00 4.35 0.00 0.00 0.00
Turk_Aydin 21.03 0.09 6.28 8.33 0.00 10.04 0.00 0.00 0.00 1.06 0.00 23.47 5.52 10.93 12.97 0.00 0.29
Turk_Kayseri 40.22 2.41 3.55 1.89 0.00 12.07 0.11 1.34 3.73 2.44 0.93 23.89 0.00 4.34 2.69 0.37 0.00
Turk_Trabzon 51.79 0.59 0.00 0.00 2.34 0.36 5.20 0.32 0.00 0.00 0.24 33.10 0.00 5.18 0.04 0.00 0.82

The green column represent the averaged values of reference Turks from academic sources

J Man
08-29-2014, 07:35 PM
Would someone be able to run my results for me if I send you my 23andme raw data via email? I would greatly appreciate it.

Humanist
08-29-2014, 07:40 PM
Here I am. More similar to Kurds than to fellow Assyrians?

"Iranian Assyrian" "3.5447"
"Kurd" "4.1806"
"Uzbekistani_Jew" "4.9839"
"Assiryan" "5.6225"
"Iraqi_Mandean" "5.6641"
"Kurds_North" "6.7552"
"Azeri" "7.3747"
"Jew_Tat" "7.5041"
"Kurds_East" "7.9183"
"Iranian" "8.388"

My similarities usually go like this:

Assyrians
Iraqi Mandaeans
East Mizrahim Jews
Armenians
Kurds
Iranians
Turks
Syrians

ZephyrousMandaru
08-29-2014, 07:59 PM
It could be due to a calculator effect of some sort, this usually effects samples that weren't included in the spreadsheet for the Oracle. So that may be why some people's results aren't completely accurate.

Anglecynn
08-29-2014, 08:01 PM
It could be due to a calculator effect of some sort, this usually effects samples that weren't included in the spreadsheet for the Oracle. So that may be why some people's results aren't completely accurate.

It seems to me that some samples are and some aren't, if that's possible. For example the two family members i've tested so far get English as #1 and #2 (and Scottish not far behind), but Welsh and British are much lower, which must mean that the two samples have quite different values despite the groups being closely related, maybe because they are the same as before, but the others were updated or added?

Shaikorth
08-29-2014, 08:10 PM
It seems to me that some samples are and some aren't, if that's possible. For example the two family members i've tested so far get English as #1 and #2 (and Scottish not far behind), but Welsh and British are much lower, which must mean that the two samples have quite different values despite the groups being closely related, maybe because they are the same as before, but the others were updated or added?

I think so too, there are mixed original run samples and "calculator effected" samples in the oracle, and the calculator effected samples are the ones closer to testers, because they are also calculator effected.

Vadim Verenich
08-29-2014, 08:18 PM
Yes, you are completely right

Vadim Verenich
08-29-2014, 08:21 PM
Nevertheless, it was an interesting experiment

Hanna
08-29-2014, 08:34 PM
Below are current scores of Turks in the reference table of Oracle



The green column represent the averaged values of reference Turks from academic sources
Where did you get this from? This is the first time I see the Turkish average scoring below 1% Asian!
This explains why my grandparent's top match is Turk because the Turkish average is hardly Asian which is unusual.

Hanna
08-29-2014, 09:07 PM
What ıs the dıfference between West Sıberıan and East Sıberıan? because I wasn't countıng West Siberian as an Asıan component or should I?

dp
08-29-2014, 09:22 PM
Can you do something similar for the other categories?
Thanks, dp :-)
PS: especially for West Siberian, East Siberian, (reference Hanna's query #277) and Amerindian.


Top-25 for Circumpolar category

Chukchi 99.25
Koryak 84.08
Koryak 81.28
Eskimo 70.08
West_Greenland 52.98
Chipewyan 42.10
Saqqaq 35.65
Yukaghir 33.46
Athabask 29.45
Tlingit 25.15
Algonquin 21.46
Even 20.45
Haida 18.72
Navajo 14.94
Ulchi 14.63
Cree 13.82
Tsimsian 13.20
Even 12.86
Ojibwa 12.59
Apache 10.92
Anzik 8.21
Dolgans 7.71
Afontova-Gora 6.40
Oroqen 6.28


Top-35 in Ancient Sami-Finnic category

Saami 74.31
Saami 52.71
Saami-Finn 45.16
Swede-North-Saami 29.14
Karelian 20.34
Finn 19.36
Vepsa 18.65
Finn-East 17.07
Finn-West 16.40
Pole-East 16.40
Finn 16.4
Finn-East 16.21
Finn 14.51
Dane 14.48
Finn 14.39
Finn-East 14.13
Finn-West 13.54
Russian-North 12.16
North_European 11.72
Finn-Swede 10.47
Gok_merged 10.46
Loshbour 8.89
Icelandic 8.5
Estonian 8.32
Icelandic 8.31
Swede 8.22
Ajv52 8.08
LaBrana-1 7.70
Russian-Ural 7.55
Motala 7.19
Norwegian 7.16
Norwegian 7.16
Dane 6.87
Afontova-Gora 6.76

Agamemnon
08-29-2014, 10:04 PM
It could be due to a calculator effect of some sort, this usually effects samples that weren't included in the spreadsheet for the Oracle. So that may be why some people's results aren't completely accurate.

Pretty much what I thought when I saw my English relative's K18 results.

Dimanto
08-29-2014, 11:20 PM
Can you guys help me out!?

I have done everything according to to these steps : http://pastebin.com/VzHw9cuD

I have my admixture results, but the thing with the oracle I don't understand..
I get this message (Error: could not find function "TOracle") after opening opening ''TOraclerelease'' and having filled in all the numbers. How must I properly open ''TOraclerelease'' anyway..?
I also get this:

Error: bad restore file magic number (file may be corrupted) -- no data loaded
In addition: Warning message:
file ‘TOraclerelease.RData’ has magic number ''
Use of save versions prior to 2 is deprecated
During startup - Warning message:
unable to restore saved data in C:\Users\Dimanto\Desktop\M17 calculator shizzle\TOraclerelease.RData

These are my admixture results if it is correct :p

14.15% Caucasian-Basal
0.28% Melano-Austronesian
0.19% Uralic
0.02% Ancestral_East_Siber
0.59% Ancestral_West_Siber
8.62% Ancestral_North_Indi
0.00% Ancestral_South_Indi
29.12% West_European_HG
0.88% Ancestral_Sami-Finni
0.25% South_East_Asian
0.01% Archaic_African
19.82% Ancestral_Mediterran
3.04% Circumpolar
5.83% Near-East-Basal
17.16% Ancestral_East_Europ
0.02% African_Sub_Saharian
0.00% Amerindian

Agamemnon
08-29-2014, 11:58 PM
Here are my admixture results:

12.10% Caucasian-Basal
0.10% Melano-Austronesian
3.63% Uralic
0.00% Ancestral_East_Siber
0.49% Ancestral_West_Siber
7.89% Ancestral_North_Indi
0.85% Ancestral_South_Indi
24.15% West_European_HG
2.02% Ancestral_Sami-Finni
0.12% South_East_Asian
0.29% Archaic_African
21.19% Ancestral_Mediterran
1.22% Circumpolar
5.78% Near-East-Basal
19.75% Ancestral_East_Europ
0.43% African_Sub_Saharian
0.00% Amerindian


[,1] [,2]
[1,] "Italian" "12.0002"
[2,] "Italian_Piedmont" "12.7781"
[3,] "Albanian" "12.7973"
[4,] "German-Volga" "13.3617"
[5,] "Mixed German-British" "14.0274"
[6,] "Spanish-Aragon-Valencia" "15.2434"
[7,] "Italian-Toscani" "15.3599"
[8,] "Occitan" "15.5902"
[9,] "Sicilian-West" "15.8226"
[10,] "Kosovar" "15.9464"
[11,] "Greek" "16.0832"
[12,] "Italian-North" "16.4727"
[13,] "German-South" "17.2564"
[14,] "Italian_Abruzzo" "17.3383"
[15,] "Austrian" "17.6252"
[16,] "Greek-South" "17.7895"
[17,] "English" "18.1003"
[18,] "Greek-Center" "18.1358"
[19,] "Scottish" "18.1934"
[20,] "Mixed_European" "18.2872"


[,1] [,2]
[1,] "66% English + 34% Syrian_Jew" "2.1824"
[2,] "31.2% Druze + 68.8% English" "2.2472"
[3,] "65.9% Scottish + 34.1% Syrian_Jew" "2.3722"
[4,] "34.8% Cypriot + 65.2% Scottish" "2.7684"
[5,] "54.4% German-Volga + 45.6% Sicilian-West" "2.7988"
[6,] "25.8% Druze + 74.2% Mixed German-British" "2.8202"
[7,] "34.6% Cypriot-Turk + 65.4% German-Volga" "2.9018"
[8,] "34.6% Cypriot + 65.4% English" "2.9073"
[9,] "31.2% Druze + 68.8% Scottish" "2.9542"
[10,] "42.1% Cypriot-Turk + 57.9% Scottish" "3.0944"
[11,] "30% Druze + 70% German-South" "3.1828"
[12,] "59% German-Volga + 41% Sicilian-East" "3.2522"
[13,] "52.1% Ashkenazi + 47.9% Norwegian" "3.2727"
[14,] "68.7% Albanian + 31.3% Mixed_German" "3.2807"
[15,] "70.9% German-Volga + 29.1% Karaite" "3.3296"
[16,] "72.9% German-Volga + 27.1% Syrian_Jew" "3.3489"
[17,] "27.7% Cypriot + 72.3% German-Volga" "3.4172"
[18,] "48.9% Sephardic_Jew + 51.1% Swede" "3.4608"
[19,] "62.1% English + 37.9% Sephardic_Jew" "3.4699"
[20,] "58.1% Irish + 41.9% Sephardic_Jew" "3.4792"


Truth be told, these results don't really make much sense... I'm always around 40% Cypriot, 35% Druze/Lebanese & 45% Sephardic/Syrian/Italian/Algerian Jewish when I'm not flat-out "50% Ashkenazi/Cretan + 50% Scottish/Irish/SW English".

Anyway, I'm highlighting the results which kind of make sense (remember, I say "kind of" for a reason).

Very weird results to say the least!

Also, where do the Karaite samples come from? I'm rather curious about this.

Addendum: I run the oracle for 300 results and some actually do make sense (since they're in line with what I usually get).
Here they are:

[21,] "53.5% German-North + 46.5% Sephardic_Jew" "3.5057"
[24,] "42% Cypriot-Turk + 58% English" "3.5413"
[27,] "53% CEU + 47% Cretan" "3.5816"
[28,] "49.8% Ashkenazi + 50.2% CEU" "3.6086"
[29,] "49.3% Cretan + 50.7% Norwegian" "3.6091"
[32,] "51.1% Scottish + 48.9% Sicilian-East" "3.6279"
[38,] "51.2% English + 48.8% Sicilian-East" "3.7395"
[45,] "34.7% Druze + 65.3% Irish" "3.7928"
[55,] "46.9% Irish + 53.1% Sicilian-East" "3.9015"
[57,] "46.5% Ashkenazi + 53.5% Welsh" "3.9332"
[123,] "55.6% Swede + 44.4% Syrian_Jew" "4.3654"


But they're all skewed in their own peculiar way (how come my mother always come out as Scandinavian [I get very decent fits with "Icelandic for example] while she's most similar to the British? There are many other questions of the sort...), which is a shame really.

J Man
08-30-2014, 12:19 AM
Ok, point taken. Then it must be some kind of clerical error, oder was?:)

So then the West_European_HG component reaches it's maximum frequencies among the Mesolithic European hunter-gatherers such as La Brana and Lochsbour?

Dimanto
08-30-2014, 01:08 AM
Jax> don't you know how this stuff works with the Rgui thing? I followed these instructions ( http://pastebin.com/VzHw9cuD) but it doesn't work. At first I got the admixture results, but after reinstalling everythying because I couldn't get the oracle thing get to work, even that part doesn't work anymore..It's frustrating


So then the West_European_HG component reaches it's maximum frequencies among the Mesolithic European hunter-gatherers such as La Brana and Lochsbour?

J Man
08-30-2014, 01:17 AM
My results.

6.56% Caucasian-Basal
1.23% Melano-Austronesian
3.77% Uralic
1.43% Ancestral_East_Siber
0.18% Ancestral_West_Siber
7.67% Ancestral_North_Indi
0.00% Ancestral_South_Indi
31.42% West_European_HG
6.38% Ancestral_Sami-Finni
0.03% South_East_Asian
0.85% Archaic_African
10.91% Ancestral_Mediterran
1.04% Circumpolar
2.38% Near-East-Basal
25.11% Ancestral_East_Europ
0.05% African_Sub_Saharian
1.00% Amerindian

Oracle

[,1] [,2]
[1,] "Mixed German-British" "6.0389"
[2,] "Scottish" "6.894"
[3,] "English" "7.0519"
[4,] "German-Volga" "7.2926"
[5,] "Icelandic" "7.4289"
[6,] "West-German" "7.8754"
[7,] "German-South" "8.0346"
[8,] "Mixed_CEU" "9.056"
[9,] "Irish" "9.2207"
[10,] "Mixed_European" "9.6566"
[11,] "North_European" "10.0165"
[12,] "Welsh" "10.7466"
[13,] "CEU" "12.0755"
[14,] "Austrian" "12.5606"
[15,] "Belgian" "12.591"
[16,] "German-North" "13.1856"
[17,] "Norwegian" "13.5415"
[18,] "Swede" "13.7104"
[19,] "British" "15.3641"
[20,] "Mixed_German" "15.3727"
[21,] "French" "15.7325"
[22,] "Dane" "16.4124"
[23,] "Spanish-Aragon-Valencia" "17.3367"
[24,] "Occitan" "18.4725"
[25,] "Cornish" "18.7514"
[26,] "British_Kent" "19.077"
[27,] "Finn-Swede" "19.8502"
[28,] "Scottish_Argyll" "21.1401"
[29,] "Orcadian" "21.5364"
[30,] "Spaniard_Extremadura" "21.9807"

Mixed Mode

[,1] [,2]
[1,] "19% Gagauz + 81% Icelandic" "2.3221"
[2,] "20.1% Bulgarian + 79.9% Icelandic" "2.4736"
[3,] "81.8% Icelandic + 18.2% Russian_South" "2.5144"
[4,] "80% Icelandic + 20% Macedonian" "2.5696"
[5,] "79.2% Icelandic + 20.8% Montenegrian" "2.7416"
[6,] "80% Icelandic + 20% Serb_Serbia" "2.7781"
[7,] "79.8% Icelandic + 20.2% Romanians" "2.9265"
[8,] "50.6% German-Volga + 49.4% Icelandic" "3.0389"
[9,] "81.2% Icelandic + 18.8% Kosovar" "3.3286"
[10,] "18.2% Greek + 81.8% Icelandic" "3.351"
[11,] "17.2% Greek-South + 82.8% Icelandic" "3.5206"
[12,] "16% Greek-North + 84% Icelandic" "3.6107"
[13,] "19.3% Bosnian + 80.7% Icelandic" "3.6213"
[14,] "81.3% Icelandic + 18.7% Serb_BH" "3.6373"
[15,] "19.3% Croat + 80.7% Icelandic" "3.6418"
[16,] "18.8% Croat_BH + 81.2% Icelandic" "3.6454"
[17,] "79.8% Icelandic + 20.2% Ukrainian-Carpathy" "3.6676"
[18,] "15.1% Crimean_Tatar + 84.9% Icelandic" "3.8104"
[19,] "42.3% Icelandic + 57.7% Mixed German-British" "3.8434"
[20,] "16.2% Greek-Center + 83.8% Icelandic" "3.8551"

ZephyrousMandaru
08-30-2014, 01:40 AM
Results for another East Assyrian


MDLP Ancient Roots K=17

31.14% Caucasian-Basal
0.08% Melano-Austronesian
1.62% Uralic
0.03% Ancestral_East_Siber
1.07% Ancestral_West_Siber
18.62% Ancestral_North_Indi
0.22% Ancestral_South_Indi
2.93% West_European_HG
0.03% Ancestral_Sami-Finni
0.17% South_East_Asian
0.01% Archaic_African
26.64% Ancestral_Mediterran
0.88% Circumpolar
14.36% Near-East-Basal
2.08% Ancestral_East_Europ
0.04% African_Sub_Saharian
0.07% Amerindian

Oracle

[,1] [,2]
[1,] "Assiryan" "3.1329"
[2,] "Non-Iranian Assyrian" "5.08"
[3,] "Iranian Assyrian" "5.1919"
[4,] "Jew_Tat" "5.2085"
[5,] "Kurd" "5.5195"
[6,] "Iraqi_Mandean" "6.4542"
[7,] "Uzbekistani_Jew" "6.7825"
[8,] "Kurds_North" "7.2574"
[9,] "Azeri" "8.7928"
[10,] "Iran_Jew" "9.0051"
[11,] "Kurd_Jew" "9.4194"
[12,] "Kurds_East" "10.1301"
[13,] "Turk" "10.3939"
[14,] "Iranian" "10.538"
[15,] "Kurds_South" "10.9427"
[16,] "Iraqi_Jew" "11.4993"
[17,] "Armenian_Yerevan" "12.6853"
[18,] "Iraki" "13.0252"
[19,] "Syrian" "15.0326"
[20,] "Turk_Kayseri" "16.4466"

Mixed Mode Excluding "Assiryan" and "Non-Iranian Assyrian"

[,1] [,2]
[1,] "34.1% Azeri_Dagestan + 65.9% Iraqi_Jew" "1.901"
[2,] "24.2% Avar + 75.8% Iraqi_Jew" "2.2347"
[3,] "11.6% Avar + 88.4% Jew_Tat" "2.4352"
[4,] "17.1% Azeri_Dagestan + 82.9% Jew_Tat" "2.5927"
[5,] "19.5% Avar + 80.5% Iran_Jew" "2.8181"
[6,] "18.5% Chechen + 81.5% Iran_Jew" "2.8729"
[7,] "22% Cirkassian + 78% Iran_Jew" "2.9232"
[8,] "13.2% Adygei + 86.8% Iraqi_Mandean" "3.0189"
[9,] "10% Chechen + 90% Jew_Tat" "3.0779"
[10,] "27.9% Azeri_Dagestan + 72.1% Iran_Jew" "3.0977"
[11,] "13.7% Balkar + 86.3% Iraqi_Mandean" "3.0999"
[12,] "25.2% Armenian_Yerevan + 74.8% Iranian Assyrian" "3.1194"
[13,] "11.6% Georgians + 88.4% Iraqi_Mandean" "3.1224"
[14,] "11.6% Abhkasian + 88.4% Iraqi_Mandean" "3.1396"
[15,] "15.7% Cirkassian + 84.3% Iraqi_Mandean" "3.1577"
[16,] "14.6% Georgian_Laz + 85.4% Iraqi_Mandean" "3.1678"
[17,] "11.3% Georgian_Imereti + 88.7% Iraqi_Mandean" "3.2225"
[18,] "85.7% Iraqi_Mandean + 14.3% Kabardin" "3.2591"
[19,] "10.9% Georgian_Laz + 89.1% Iranian Assyrian" "3.2896"
[20,] "31.1% Armenian_Yerevan + 68.9% Iraqi_Mandean" "3.3601"

Vadim Verenich
08-30-2014, 05:49 AM
Well, it looks like the results are rather meaningless, to say the least.
The first, less time-consuming approach of tweaking the results doesn't pay off at all.

I think i should go with another approach, suggested by a fellow genome blogger Polako.
1) I'll probably use the K17 allele P-frequencies for generating a simulated datatset of 17 quasi-ancestral populations (aka Dienekes's zombies)
2) Then i'll run new Admixture analysis in supervised mode where my dataset will be comapred against these 17 simulated reference populations. Though i am not completely sure, my assumption is that this trick will make the populations in my dataset affected by the allele frequencies in simulated populations (i.e by the infamous calculator effect). This trick will also make 'reference populations' in my dataset comparable to users' data in the Oracle comparisions.
3) Finally, i'll make new K17beta calculator with the initial K17 allele P-frequencies and new Oracle with Q-matrix (admixture coefficients) from the supervised run of Admixture.

Dimanto
08-30-2014, 01:16 PM
Here it is thanks to Zephyrous!

[1,] "Italian" "10.4178"
[2,] "Occitan" "12.3739"
[3,] "Italian_Piedmont" "13.2098"
[4,] "Spanish-Aragon-Valencia" "13.6588"
[5,] "Italian-Toscani" "14.2413"
[6,] "Mixed German-British" "14.5008"
[7,] "German-Volga" "15.3073"
[8,] "Italian-North" "15.4371"
[9,] "Spaniard_Extremadura" "16.5014"
[10,] "Albanian" "16.5234"
[11,] "Sicilian-West" "17.2265"
[12,] "Italian_Abruzzo" "17.3756"
[13,] "German-South" "17.4453"
[14,] "Corsican" "17.664"
[15,] "French" "17.7182"
[16,] "Spaniard_Castilla_La_Mancha" "17.7602"
[17,] "English" "17.93"
[18,] "Portugese" "17.9482"
[19,] "Scottish" "18.2652"
[20,] "West-German" "19.0551"

Mixed Mode

[1,] "35.4% Cypriot + 64.6% Welsh" "3.9429"
[2,] "42.7% Cypriot-Turk + 57.3% Welsh" "4.0605"
[3,] "55.1% Cornish + 44.9% Cretan" "4.2566"
[4,] "48.9% Sicilian-East + 51.1% Welsh" "4.3047"
[5,] "34.3% Syrian_Jew + 65.7% Welsh" "4.4642"
[6,] "55.4% Belgian + 44.6% Cypriot-Turk" "4.5379"
[7,] "48.2% Cretan + 51.8% Orcadian" "4.5529"
[8,] "38.3% Greek-Island + 61.7% Welsh" "4.5553"
[9,] "53.8% Sicilian-West + 46.2% Welsh" "4.5782"
[10,] "46% British + 54% Sicilian-East" "4.7701"
[11,] "31.6% Icelandic + 68.4% Italian" "4.8047"
[12,] "63% Belgian + 37% Cypriot" "4.8081"
[13,] "44.3% Cornish + 55.7% Sicilian-East" "4.8408"
[14,] "60% British + 40% Cypriot" "4.8757"
[15,] "31.6% Druze + 68.4% Welsh" "4.8868"
[16,] "55.2% British_Kent + 44.8% Cretan" "4.9441"
[17,] "61.5% Albanian + 38.5% British_Kent" "4.9648"
[18,] "44.1% Greek-Island + 55.9% Mixed_German" "5.0141"
[19,] "50.7% Cornish + 49.3% Cypriot-Turk" "5.0209"
[20,] "59.9% Belgian + 40.1% Greek-Island" "5.0293"

Why am I closer to a Cypriot-Turk in the oracle mode than to a Cypriot Greek ?
I also see that ''Italian'' is on number 1 rather than Occitan or Piedmontese while I'm only half..How is this explainable ?

Dimanto
08-30-2014, 01:19 PM
The results of this k=17 model you mean ?


Well, it looks like the results are rather meaningless, to say the least.
The first, less time-consuming approach of tweaking the results doesn't pay off at all.

I think i should go with another approach, suggested by a fellow genome blogger Polako.
1) I'll probably use the K17 allele P-frequencies for generating a simulated datatset of 17 quasi-ancestral populations (aka Dienekes's zombies)
2) Then i'll run new Admixture analysis in supervised mode where my dataset will be comapred against these 17 simulated reference populations. Though i am not completely sure, my assumption is that this trick will make the populations in my dataset affected by the allele frequencies in simulated populations (i.e by the infamous calculator effect). This trick will also make 'reference populations' in my dataset comparable to users' data in the Oracle comparisions.
3) Finally, i'll make new K17beta calculator with the initial K17 allele P-frequencies and new Oracle with Q-matrix (admixture coefficients) from the supervised run of Admixture.

Agamemnon
08-30-2014, 02:05 PM
Why am I closer to a Cypriot-Turk in the oracle mode than to a Cypriot Greek ?

Yeah, that's also what I was asking myself when I saw my results... We've got pretty similar results btw.

Dimanto
08-30-2014, 03:18 PM
So you're half Sephardim or AJ/British/Scottish right ?


Yeah, that's also what I was asking myself when I saw my results... We've got pretty similar results btw.

Agamemnon
08-30-2014, 03:37 PM
So you're half Sephardim or AJ/British/Scottish right ?

Half-Ashkenazi, half-British ;)

Which is why I come out as ~45% Sephardic on most calculators.

Dimanto
08-30-2014, 04:20 PM
Mc Donald thought the first time I was Italian and the second time Sephardim/North Euro haha after I've send him 23andme's raw data and after that one from FTDNA.
Polako didn't have much problems distinguishing though.


Half-Ashkenazi, half-British ;)

Which is why I come out as ~45% Sephardic on most calculators.

vettor
08-30-2014, 06:38 PM
Mc Donald thought the first time I was Italian and the second time Sephardim/North Euro haha after I've send him 23andme's raw data and after that one from FTDNA.
Polako didn't have much problems distinguishing though.

Polako distinguished via his eurogenes programs or ?..........please explain, I am curious.

ZephyrousMandaru
08-30-2014, 06:50 PM
Half-Ashkenazi, half-British ;)

Which is why I come out as ~45% Sephardic on most calculators.

You have to remember that Ashkenazim Jews are already European admixed. So essentially, when you combine an Ashkenazi Jewish and Northwest European genome, the outcome is more European ancestry and less Near Eastern admixture. So in a sense, your population combinations are correct.

Dimanto
08-30-2014, 06:55 PM
With the ''Ancestry detective'' service he offered with the help of my mum's raw data and mine.


Polako distinguished via his eurogenes programs or ?..........please explain, I am curious.

Agamemnon
08-30-2014, 10:48 PM
You have to remember that Ashkenazim Jews are already European admixed. So essentially, when you combine an Ashkenazi Jewish and Northwest European genome, the outcome is more European ancestry and less Near Eastern admixture. So in a sense, your population combinations are correct.

Depends what you mean by "European", this is a very vague term as far as I'm concerned which can include Scandinavians, Iberians & Italians under one & the same label.

Keeping that in mind, I really doubt there's much Northern European admixture in Ashkenazi Jews. The main reason leading me to think so is the paucity of WHG in Ashkenazi Jews (and the fact that Lazaridis et al. modeled them as 0% WHG).

As far as my K17 results are of concern, they do seem odd and quite often contradictory on some occasions.
I usually come out as 45% Sephardic (can be Syrian, Algerian, Moroccan, Turkish or Bulgarian Jewish), 35% Druze/Lebanese/Samaritan or 40% Cypriot + Scottish/British/Irish when Ashkenazim do not come up.

This is what I get 90% of the time I run my kit, so the results don't really make sense (also there's a big difference between Turkish & Greek Cypriot samples, and my mother always appears Scandinavian or "North German" instead of British).

Here's what I get with Dodecad K12b for instance:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Med 32.49
2 North_European 29.46
3 Caucasus 19.54
4 Gedrosia 8.62
5 Southwest_Asian 7.14
6 Northwest_African 2.07
7 East_Asian 0.58
8 Southeast_Asian 0.07
9 Siberian 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 N_Italian (Dodecad) 10.62
2 O_Italian (Dodecad) 11
3 Romanians (Behar) 13.62
4 North_Italian (HGDP) 13.77
5 TSI30 (Metspalu) 14.09
6 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 14.33
7 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 14.83
8 Tuscan (HGDP) 15.26
9 C_Italian (Dodecad) 16.5
10 French (Dodecad) 16.85
11 French (HGDP) 16.93
12 Galicia (1000Genomes) 18.05
13 Baleares (1000Genomes) 18.15
14 Extremadura (1000Genomes) 18.64
15 Portuguese (Dodecad) 18.83
16 Hungarians (Behar) 19.32
17 Greek (Dodecad) 19.34
18 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 19.87
19 German (Dodecad) 20.04
20 Murcia (1000Genomes) 21.09

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 50.1% Argyll (1000Genomes) + 49.9% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 1.41
2 59.6% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 40.4% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 1.52
3 50% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 50% Argyll (1000Genomes) @ 1.57
4 59.5% Orkney (1000Genomes) + 40.5% Cypriots (Behar) @ 1.64
5 57.4% Dutch (Dodecad) + 42.6% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 1.72
6 50.8% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 49.2% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 1.82
7 59.7% Orcadian (HGDP) + 40.3% Cypriots (Behar) @ 1.89
8 64.6% British_Isles (Dodecad) + 35.4% Druze (HGDP) @ 1.9
9 50.6% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 49.4% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 1.92
10 62.4% English (Dodecad) + 37.6% Cypriots (Behar) @ 1.97
11 62.5% CEU30 (1000Genomes) + 37.5% Cypriots (Behar) @ 1.97
12 66.6% Kent (1000Genomes) + 33.4% Druze (HGDP) @ 2
13 60.4% Argyll (1000Genomes) + 39.6% Cypriots (Behar) @ 2.06
14 60% Irish (Dodecad) + 40% Cypriots (Behar) @ 2.06
15 50.4% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 49.6% Irish (Dodecad) @ 2.08
16 50.9% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 49.1% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 2.09
17 63.1% Kent (1000Genomes) + 36.9% Cypriots (Behar) @ 2.16
18 61% British_Isles (Dodecad) + 39% Cypriots (Behar) @ 2.17
19 66.1% CEU30 (1000Genomes) + 33.9% Druze (HGDP) @ 2.17
20 55.8% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 44.2% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 2.17


Notice how it's almost always the same thing, and this time the calculator gets it right in that my mother's ancestry is correctly proxied as British (the British_Isles fits are boringly accurate for instance).
Same story with almost every calculator I use.

ZephyrousMandaru
08-30-2014, 11:54 PM
Depends what you mean by "European", this is a very vague term as far as I'm concerned which can include Scandinavians, Iberians & Italians under one & the same label.

Keeping that in mind, I really doubt there's much Northern European admixture in Ashkenazi Jews. The main reason leading me to think so is the paucity of WHG in Ashkenazi Jews (and the fact that Lazaridis et al. modeled them as 0% WHG).

As far as my K17 results are of concern, they do seem odd and quite often contradictory on some occasions.
I usually come out as 45% Sephardic (can be Syrian, Algerian, Moroccan, Turkish or Bulgarian Jewish), 35% Druze/Lebanese/Samaritan or 40% Cypriot + Scottish/British/Irish when Ashkenazim do not come up.

This is what I get 90% of the time I run my kit, so the results don't really make sense (also there's a big difference between Turkish & Greek Cypriot samples, and my mother always appears Scandinavian or "North German" instead of British).

Here's what I get with Dodecad K12b for instance:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Med 32.49
2 North_European 29.46
3 Caucasus 19.54
4 Gedrosia 8.62
5 Southwest_Asian 7.14
6 Northwest_African 2.07
7 East_Asian 0.58
8 Southeast_Asian 0.07
9 Siberian 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 N_Italian (Dodecad) 10.62
2 O_Italian (Dodecad) 11
3 Romanians (Behar) 13.62
4 North_Italian (HGDP) 13.77
5 TSI30 (Metspalu) 14.09
6 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 14.33
7 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 14.83
8 Tuscan (HGDP) 15.26
9 C_Italian (Dodecad) 16.5
10 French (Dodecad) 16.85
11 French (HGDP) 16.93
12 Galicia (1000Genomes) 18.05
13 Baleares (1000Genomes) 18.15
14 Extremadura (1000Genomes) 18.64
15 Portuguese (Dodecad) 18.83
16 Hungarians (Behar) 19.32
17 Greek (Dodecad) 19.34
18 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 19.87
19 German (Dodecad) 20.04
20 Murcia (1000Genomes) 21.09

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 50.1% Argyll (1000Genomes) + 49.9% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 1.41
2 59.6% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 40.4% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 1.52
3 50% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 50% Argyll (1000Genomes) @ 1.57
4 59.5% Orkney (1000Genomes) + 40.5% Cypriots (Behar) @ 1.64
5 57.4% Dutch (Dodecad) + 42.6% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 1.72
6 50.8% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 49.2% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 1.82
7 59.7% Orcadian (HGDP) + 40.3% Cypriots (Behar) @ 1.89
8 64.6% British_Isles (Dodecad) + 35.4% Druze (HGDP) @ 1.9
9 50.6% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 49.4% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 1.92
10 62.4% English (Dodecad) + 37.6% Cypriots (Behar) @ 1.97
11 62.5% CEU30 (1000Genomes) + 37.5% Cypriots (Behar) @ 1.97
12 66.6% Kent (1000Genomes) + 33.4% Druze (HGDP) @ 2
13 60.4% Argyll (1000Genomes) + 39.6% Cypriots (Behar) @ 2.06
14 60% Irish (Dodecad) + 40% Cypriots (Behar) @ 2.06
15 50.4% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 49.6% Irish (Dodecad) @ 2.08
16 50.9% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 49.1% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 2.09
17 63.1% Kent (1000Genomes) + 36.9% Cypriots (Behar) @ 2.16
18 61% British_Isles (Dodecad) + 39% Cypriots (Behar) @ 2.17
19 66.1% CEU30 (1000Genomes) + 33.9% Druze (HGDP) @ 2.17
20 55.8% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 44.2% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 2.17


Notice how it's almost always the same thing, and this time the calculator gets it right in that my mother's ancestry is correctly proxied as British (the British_Isles fits are boringly accurate for instance).
Same story with almost every calculator I use.

What I meant by European, is that they harbor indigenous WHG related alleles. The WHG ancestry in Ashkenazim Jews is sparse, but not absent. As they carry enough to just barely plot within the boundaries of European intra-genetic variaition, as illustrated in this plot. The Mediterranean component in Europe is partly WHG admixed. So while Ashkenazim Jews may not be significantly admixed with indigenous European ancestry, they do have enough to cluster within the range of European genetic diversity.

http://imageshack.us/a/img202/8418/wpyv.png

vettor
08-31-2014, 12:05 AM
Depends what you mean by "European", this is a very vague term as far as I'm concerned which can include Scandinavians, Iberians & Italians under one & the same label.

Keeping that in mind, I really doubt there's much Northern European admixture in Ashkenazi Jews. The main reason leading me to think so is the paucity of WHG in Ashkenazi Jews (and the fact that Lazaridis et al. modeled them as 0% WHG).

As far as my K17 results are of concern, they do seem odd and quite often contradictory on some occasions.
I usually come out as 45% Sephardic (can be Syrian, Algerian, Moroccan, Turkish or Bulgarian Jewish), 35% Druze/Lebanese/Samaritan or 40% Cypriot + Scottish/British/Irish when Ashkenazim do not come up.

This is what I get 90% of the time I run my kit, so the results don't really make sense (also there's a big difference between Turkish & Greek Cypriot samples, and my mother always appears Scandinavian or "North German" instead of British).

Here's what I get with Dodecad K12b for instance:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Med 32.49
2 North_European 29.46
3 Caucasus 19.54
4 Gedrosia 8.62
5 Southwest_Asian 7.14
6 Northwest_African 2.07
7 East_Asian 0.58
8 Southeast_Asian 0.07
9 Siberian 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 N_Italian (Dodecad) 10.62
2 O_Italian (Dodecad) 11
3 Romanians (Behar) 13.62
4 North_Italian (HGDP) 13.77
5 TSI30 (Metspalu) 14.09
6 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 14.33
7 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 14.83
8 Tuscan (HGDP) 15.26
9 C_Italian (Dodecad) 16.5
10 French (Dodecad) 16.85
11 French (HGDP) 16.93
12 Galicia (1000Genomes) 18.05
13 Baleares (1000Genomes) 18.15
14 Extremadura (1000Genomes) 18.64
15 Portuguese (Dodecad) 18.83
16 Hungarians (Behar) 19.32
17 Greek (Dodecad) 19.34
18 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 19.87
19 German (Dodecad) 20.04
20 Murcia (1000Genomes) 21.09

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 50.1% Argyll (1000Genomes) + 49.9% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 1.41
2 59.6% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 40.4% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 1.52
3 50% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 50% Argyll (1000Genomes) @ 1.57
4 59.5% Orkney (1000Genomes) + 40.5% Cypriots (Behar) @ 1.64
5 57.4% Dutch (Dodecad) + 42.6% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 1.72
6 50.8% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 49.2% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 1.82
7 59.7% Orcadian (HGDP) + 40.3% Cypriots (Behar) @ 1.89
8 64.6% British_Isles (Dodecad) + 35.4% Druze (HGDP) @ 1.9
9 50.6% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 49.4% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 1.92
10 62.4% English (Dodecad) + 37.6% Cypriots (Behar) @ 1.97
11 62.5% CEU30 (1000Genomes) + 37.5% Cypriots (Behar) @ 1.97
12 66.6% Kent (1000Genomes) + 33.4% Druze (HGDP) @ 2
13 60.4% Argyll (1000Genomes) + 39.6% Cypriots (Behar) @ 2.06
14 60% Irish (Dodecad) + 40% Cypriots (Behar) @ 2.06
15 50.4% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 49.6% Irish (Dodecad) @ 2.08
16 50.9% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 49.1% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 2.09
17 63.1% Kent (1000Genomes) + 36.9% Cypriots (Behar) @ 2.16
18 61% British_Isles (Dodecad) + 39% Cypriots (Behar) @ 2.17
19 66.1% CEU30 (1000Genomes) + 33.9% Druze (HGDP) @ 2.17
20 55.8% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 44.2% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 2.17


Notice how it's almost always the same thing, and this time the calculator gets it right in that my mother's ancestry is correctly proxied as British (the British_Isles fits are boringly accurate for instance).
Same story with almost every calculator I use.

I don't know what your take is on european, but scandinavia is European to me.

sparse -- Should there be a lot of ashkenazi or sephatic percentage anywhere or with any haplogroup?............the Jewishness of these can only be a max of 5000 years old.

I think these groups have good fortune to at least see the subclades of haplogroups that they originate from ( by these known markings ) instead of others like me, who have to source the complete haplogroups to find any origins.

Dimanto
08-31-2014, 01:46 AM
These are my k12b oracle results:


Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Med 34.88
2 North_European 27.58
3 Caucasus 21.59
4 Gedrosia 9.01
5 Southwest_Asian 6.6
6 East_Asian 0.2
7 Siberian 0.08
8 East_African 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 N_Italian (Dodecad) 7.69
2 O_Italian (Dodecad) 8.78
3 North_Italian (HGDP) 10.88
4 TSI30 (Metspalu) 11.13
5 Tuscan (HGDP) 12.31
6 C_Italian (Dodecad) 14.23
7 Romanians (Behar) 14.86
8 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 15.41
9 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 15.64
10 Baleares (1000Genomes) 16.57
11 Galicia (1000Genomes) 17.14
12 French (HGDP) 17.31
13 French (Dodecad) 17.42
14 Extremadura (1000Genomes) 17.72
15 Greek (Dodecad) 17.93
16 Portuguese (Dodecad) 18.32
17 Murcia (1000Genomes) 19.88
18 Cataluna (1000Genomes) 19.98
19 Castilla_Y_Leon (1000Genomes) 20.24
20 Spaniards (Behar) 20.39

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 59.9% Cornwall (1000Genomes) + 40.1% Cypriots (Behar) @ 1.16
2 59.2% British (Dodecad) + 40.8% Cypriots (Behar) @ 1.46
3 72.4% French (HGDP) + 27.6% Armenian (Dodecad) @ 1.57
4 50.2% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 49.8% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 1.68
5 75.4% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 24.6% Argyll (1000Genomes) @ 1.71
6 61% Kent (1000Genomes) + 39% Cypriots (Behar) @ 1.79
7 72.5% French (HGDP) + 27.5% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 1.81
8 53.3% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 46.7% CEU30 (1000Genomes) @ 1.83
9 72.7% French (HGDP) + 27.3% Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) @ 1.85
10 53.3% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 46.7% English (Dodecad) @ 1.88
11 55.4% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 44.6% Argyll (1000Genomes) @ 1.91
12 76.1% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 23.9% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 1.94
13 75.9% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 24.1% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 1.95
14 52.3% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 47.7% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 1.95
15 56.3% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 43.7% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 1.96
16 52.6% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 47.4% Kent (1000Genomes) @ 1.96
17 57.9% Irish (Dodecad) + 42.1% Cypriots (Behar) @ 1.99
18 75.8% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 24.2% Irish (Dodecad) @ 2
19 71.4% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 28.6% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 2.07
20 56.1% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 43.9% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 2.09

Oracle-4:


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Mixed_Germanic +50% S_Italian_Sicilian @ 1.790456


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% CEU30 +25% Cypriots +25% Tuscan @ 1.425416


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Assyrian + Belorussian + French_Basque + N_Italian @ 0.737549
2 Assyrian + N_Italian + Pais_Vasco + Polish @ 0.785789
3 Azerbaijan_Jews + N_Italian + Pais_Vasco + Polish @ 0.787032
4 Assyrian + Bulgarians + French_Basque + Swedish @ 0.799465
5 Azerbaijan_Jews + Belorussian + French_Basque + N_Italian @ 0.841060
6 Argyll + Cypriots + Mixed_Germanic + Tuscan @ 0.943033
7 Assyrian + French_Basque + N_Italian + Russian @ 0.945214
8 Bulgarians + French_Basque + Georgia_Jews + Swedish @ 0.953866
9 Azerbaijan_Jews + Bulgarians + French_Basque + Swedish @ 0.964218
10 Cypriots + Irish + Mixed_Germanic + Tuscan @ 1.027404
11 British + Cypriots + Mixed_Germanic + Tuscan @ 1.039510
12 British_Isles + French + Georgia_Jews + North_Italian @ 1.049824
13 Assyrian + Bulgarian + French_Basque + Swedish @ 1.049912
14 Cypriots + Mixed_Germanic + Orcadian + Tuscan @ 1.076551
15 Bulgarians + Dutch + Georgia_Jews + Pais_Vasco @ 1.084795
16 French_Basque + Georgia_Jews + Mixed_Slav + N_Italian @ 1.087667
17 French_Basque + Georgia_Jews + North_Italian + Russian @ 1.102689
18 Cornwall + Cypriots + Mixed_Germanic + Tuscan @ 1.109319
19 Belorussian + French + Kurds + Sardinian @ 1.122056
20 Dutch + Georgia_Jews + Pais_Vasco + Romanians @ 1.122181












Depends what you mean by "European", this is a very vague term as far as I'm concerned which can include Scandinavians, Iberians & Italians under one & the same label.

Keeping that in mind, I really doubt there's much Northern European admixture in Ashkenazi Jews. The main reason leading me to think so is the paucity of WHG in Ashkenazi Jews (and the fact that Lazaridis et al. modeled them as 0% WHG).

As far as my K17 results are of concern, they do seem odd and quite often contradictory on some occasions.
I usually come out as 45% Sephardic (can be Syrian, Algerian, Moroccan, Turkish or Bulgarian Jewish), 35% Druze/Lebanese/Samaritan or 40% Cypriot + Scottish/British/Irish when Ashkenazim do not come up.

This is what I get 90% of the time I run my kit, so the results don't really make sense (also there's a big difference between Turkish & Greek Cypriot samples, and my mother always appears Scandinavian or "North German" instead of British).

Here's what I get with Dodecad K12b for instance:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Med 32.49
2 North_European 29.46
3 Caucasus 19.54
4 Gedrosia 8.62
5 Southwest_Asian 7.14
6 Northwest_African 2.07
7 East_Asian 0.58
8 Southeast_Asian 0.07
9 Siberian 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 N_Italian (Dodecad) 10.62
2 O_Italian (Dodecad) 11
3 Romanians (Behar) 13.62
4 North_Italian (HGDP) 13.77
5 TSI30 (Metspalu) 14.09
6 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 14.33
7 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 14.83
8 Tuscan (HGDP) 15.26
9 C_Italian (Dodecad) 16.5
10 French (Dodecad) 16.85
11 French (HGDP) 16.93
12 Galicia (1000Genomes) 18.05
13 Baleares (1000Genomes) 18.15
14 Extremadura (1000Genomes) 18.64
15 Portuguese (Dodecad) 18.83
16 Hungarians (Behar) 19.32
17 Greek (Dodecad) 19.34
18 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 19.87
19 German (Dodecad) 20.04
20 Murcia (1000Genomes) 21.09

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 50.1% Argyll (1000Genomes) + 49.9% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 1.41
2 59.6% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 40.4% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 1.52
3 50% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 50% Argyll (1000Genomes) @ 1.57
4 59.5% Orkney (1000Genomes) + 40.5% Cypriots (Behar) @ 1.64
5 57.4% Dutch (Dodecad) + 42.6% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 1.72
6 50.8% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 49.2% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 1.82
7 59.7% Orcadian (HGDP) + 40.3% Cypriots (Behar) @ 1.89
8 64.6% British_Isles (Dodecad) + 35.4% Druze (HGDP) @ 1.9
9 50.6% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 49.4% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 1.92
10 62.4% English (Dodecad) + 37.6% Cypriots (Behar) @ 1.97
11 62.5% CEU30 (1000Genomes) + 37.5% Cypriots (Behar) @ 1.97
12 66.6% Kent (1000Genomes) + 33.4% Druze (HGDP) @ 2
13 60.4% Argyll (1000Genomes) + 39.6% Cypriots (Behar) @ 2.06
14 60% Irish (Dodecad) + 40% Cypriots (Behar) @ 2.06
15 50.4% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 49.6% Irish (Dodecad) @ 2.08
16 50.9% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 49.1% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 2.09
17 63.1% Kent (1000Genomes) + 36.9% Cypriots (Behar) @ 2.16
18 61% British_Isles (Dodecad) + 39% Cypriots (Behar) @ 2.17
19 66.1% CEU30 (1000Genomes) + 33.9% Druze (HGDP) @ 2.17
20 55.8% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 44.2% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 2.17


Notice how it's almost always the same thing, and this time the calculator gets it right in that my mother's ancestry is correctly proxied as British (the British_Isles fits are boringly accurate for instance).
Same story with almost every calculator I use.

Agamemnon
08-31-2014, 01:49 AM
What I meant by European, is that they harbor indigenous WHG related alleles. The WHG ancestry in Ashkenazim Jews is sparse, but not absent. As they carry enough to just barely plot within the boundaries of European intra-genetic variaition, as illustrated in this plot. The Mediterranean component in Europe is partly WHG admixed. So while Ashkenazim Jews may not be significantly admixed with indigenous European ancestry, they do have enough to cluster within the range of European genetic diversity.

http://imageshack.us/a/img202/8418/wpyv.png

Yet again, Lazaridis et al. did model them as 0% WHG, and explicitely state that they could not be fitted with other European populations.
So what's the conclusion? Should we take 3rd party analysis over an actual study?

While I agree that EEF contains Mesolithic European alleles, the Lazaridis et al. study also states that Ashkenazim have additional Near Eastern ancestry.
Truthfully, I think this issue won't be solved until we get actual aDNA from the Near East.

Either way, the paucity of WHG does a big disfavour to any model implying a high amount of European admixture (that is, if we assume that contemporary populations are valuable proxies, which is ludicrous). This could mean two things: Either their parent population mixed with a population which was low on WHG or that the amount of European admixture (if it did come from a population with a fair amount of WHG) is trivial.

Agamemnon
08-31-2014, 01:52 AM
I don't know what your take is on european, but scandinavia is European to me.

sparse -- Should there be a lot of ashkenazi or sephatic percentage anywhere or with any haplogroup?............the Jewishness of these can only be a max of 5000 years old.

I think these groups have good fortune to at least see the subclades of haplogroups that they originate from ( by these known markings ) instead of others like me, who have to source the complete haplogroups to find any origins.

By European, I mean "WHG ancestry", which is also what Zeph said earlier btw.

And yes, you're right: Jews have been overstudied, so well that it is practically impossible not to know which subclade one belongs to.

Invisible Sun
08-31-2014, 12:55 PM
Isn't it so that on 23andme the reference population for Italians are mostly Southern italians and Sicilians?
I have split view there and my father only contributes around 0,7 % of my NW European, 42% Italian, some broadly S Euro and 4.2% MENA from which most is Middle Eastern. What do you think about the similarities between NW Sicilians and Neapolitans (inhabitants of the province of Naples and surrounding provinces like Caserta, Aversa, Salerno and Avellino) wouldn't Neapolitans be even closer to NW Sicilians on average than to Abruzzesi?

I heard about the claim that reference population in 23andme is made by Southern Italian descendants, but I don´t know how much true is. But Bergamo sample is included in references. 23andme AC seems to me quite different from gedmatch calculators, 1st of all analisys doesn´t go too far in the past, not picking up minor strains that could be interesting for an user. Moreover their Middle East cluster spans an area from Levant through Caucasus reaching Iran. IMO this is totally useless for Southern Italians and especially Sicilians, due to our genetic genesis: I bet that for continental Southerners MENA means a fundamental levantine admixture (+Caucasus) due to neolithic farmers, while for us sth more "Arabic" is involved too. I would like to see soon the above mentioned cluster broken into Levant, Caucasus and Gedrosia...at least.

So your father´s MENA score would have probably a different meaning from mine, each traceable to different historical events. Eventually in speculative mode there is too much indefinite/broadly this and that. It doesn´t help when you have IBS/IBS from a country btw 2 reference sourcing places (Sweden btw Norway&Finland).

Therefore my ideas about Italian substructure comes from latest eurogenes calculators results and PCAs made by another Polish guy. This results were reported in an apposite thread on 23andme, where you have written too maybe. I just checked a couple of Campanians results which I had copied&pasted on a file and they have Southern Italians as 1st score, but due to the geographical position of the region, its history and the relationships with central regions it is likely that other Campanians like your father are genetically more northern.
If they get Abbruzzo or West Sicily that is something related to specific cases, f.e. if someone has a bit more Atlantic rather than West Asian.
In general when someone gets more than 26% of East Med, he is dragged away from Central Italy (unless WHG alleles % counterbalance it).

Anyway afaik the first calculator going deeper in South Italian substructure was MDLP K27, I remember the West Sicilians reference were few...I hope spreadsheets for K17 will be soon available (if they are not already and I miss them) together with Gedmatch version :)

Táltos
08-31-2014, 01:12 PM
I heard about the claim that reference population in 23andme is made by Southern Italian descendants, but I don´t know how much true is. But Bergamo sample is included in references. 23andme AC seems to me quite different from gedmatch calculators, 1st of all analisys doesn´t go too far in the past, not picking up minor strains that could be interesting for an user. Moreover their Middle East cluster spans an area from Levant through Caucasus reaching Iran. IMO this is totally useless for Southern Italians and especially Sicilians, due to our genetical genesis: I bet that for continental Southerners MENA means a fundamental levantine admixture (+Caucasus) due to neolithic farmers, while for us sth more "Arabic" is involved too. I would like to see soon the above mentioned cluster broken into Levant, Caucasus and Gedrosia...at least.

So your father´s MENA score would have probably a different meaning from mine, each traceable to different historical events. Eventually in speculative mode there is too much indefinite/broadly this and that. It doesn´t help when you have IBS/IBS from a country btw 2 reference sourcing places (Sweden btw Norway&Finland).

Therefore my ideas about Italian substructure comes from latest eurogenes calculators results and PCAs made by another Polish guy. This results were reported in an apposite thread on 23andme, where you have written too maybe. I just checked a couple of Campanians results which I had copied&pasted on a file and they have Southern Italians as 1st score, but due to the geographical position of the region, its history and the relationships with central regions it is likely that other Campanians like your father are genetically more northern.
If they get Abbruzzo or West Sicily that is something related to specific cases, f.e. if someone has a bit more Atlantic rather than West Asian.
In general when someone gets more than 26% of East Med, he is dragged away from Central Italy (unless WHG alleles % counterbalance it).

Anyway afaik the first calculator going deeper in South Italian substructure was MDLP K27, I remember the West Sicilians reference were few...I hope spreadsheets for K17 will be soon available (if they are not already and I miss them) together with Gedmatch version :)
This is copied from 23andme for their Italian category.
Italian

The peninsula of Italy is home to a genetic legacy not only of the Roman Empire, but also of groups from both northern Europe and the eastern Mediterranean that occupied Italy at various points in its history.
Population Source Sample Size
Italy 23andMe 556
Italy 1000 Genomes 98
North Italian HGDP 13
Tuscan HGDP 8

Invisible Sun
08-31-2014, 01:52 PM
Yeah, Bergamo sample is "North Italian HGDP 13", while the 556 Italians should be the afore-mentioned Americans with Southern Italian/ Sicilian ancestry..

Isidro
08-31-2014, 01:58 PM
Here is a different % outlook for MDLP Ancient Roots 18:

2514

Dimanto
08-31-2014, 03:19 PM
A distinction can actually be made between people from ''Naples'' and other ''Campanians I think due to historical differences, but the differences won't be that big.
I think Campanians are more West-Med influenced like West Sicilians but Western Sicilians differ on the fact they have stronger SW Asian and North Euro what causes some of them to get pulled in two directions and it depents on which is stronger.
My paternal side is really Southern Italian and that became very clear after the research done by Davidski with my genome as well as that from my mum. I also have matches on 23andme from the Palermo region, so some Sicilian ancestry can't be dismissed, but I don't know for sure. ( http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img836/2701/01y1.png )

My mum is close to Danes, so on most Gedmatch calculators she pulls me somewhat more to the north and still I come up half Southern Italian/AJ/Sephardim.
Also on the global similarity map on 23andme my mum is one of the most Northern European of all my matches (and people who I share with) 1 step below a few Scandinavians, but also 1 step higher than some Scandinavians.
My first match also a Neapolitan scores over 80 % Italian and 10% MENA from which most is Middle Eastern like most Neapolitans score. I have another Neapolitan match who scores over 18% MENA. I also have many Northern Italians in my sharing list and none score over 3 % MENA on 23andme and most below 1% or nothing...People from Gaeta actually do, but somewhat less than other Campanians and people from Naples in specific.

Don't forget the significant genetic substructures in Southern Italy and their differences which are measurable in different villages and valleys..

http://s20.postimg.org/nll4chv61/My_origins3.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/nll4chv61/)

Anyway I'll respond later to the rest of your comment.


I heard about the claim that reference population in 23andme is made by Southern Italian descendants, but I don´t know how much true is. But Bergamo sample is included in references. 23andme AC seems to me quite different from gedmatch calculators, 1st of all analisys doesn´t go too far in the past, not picking up minor strains that could be interesting for an user. Moreover their Middle East cluster spans an area from Levant through Caucasus reaching Iran. IMO this is totally useless for Southern Italians and especially Sicilians, due to our genetic genesis: I bet that for continental Southerners MENA means a fundamental levantine admixture (+Caucasus) due to neolithic farmers, while for us sth more "Arabic" is involved too. I would like to see soon the above mentioned cluster broken into Levant, Caucasus and Gedrosia...at least.

So your father´s MENA score would have probably a different meaning from mine, each traceable to different historical events. Eventually in speculative mode there is too much indefinite/broadly this and that. It doesn´t help when you have IBS/IBS from a country btw 2 reference sourcing places (Sweden btw Norway&Finland).

Therefore my ideas about Italian substructure comes from latest eurogenes calculators results and PCAs made by another Polish guy. This results were reported in an apposite thread on 23andme, where you have written too maybe. I just checked a couple of Campanians results which I had copied&pasted on a file and they have Southern Italians as 1st score, but due to the geographical position of the region, its history and the relationships with central regions it is likely that other Campanians like your father are genetically more northern.
If they get Abbruzzo or West Sicily that is something related to specific cases, f.e. if someone has a bit more Atlantic rather than West Asian.
In general when someone gets more than 26% of East Med, he is dragged away from Central Italy (unless WHG alleles % counterbalance it).

Anyway afaik the first calculator going deeper in South Italian substructure was MDLP K27, I remember the West Sicilians reference were few...I hope spreadsheets for K17 will be soon available (if they are not already and I miss them) together with Gedmatch version :)

Dave123
08-31-2014, 08:55 PM
5/8ths British Isles and 3/8ths German ancestry (both North and South). The result is quite reasonable, with the largest component being NW Europe at 34.69%

# Population Percent
1 North_West_European 34.69
2 East_European 30.1
3 Mediterranean 8.71
4 Caucasian 8.63
5 South_Central_Asian 5.41
6 Sami-Finnic 4
7 Volga-Uralic 1.87
8 Roma 1.77
9 West_Siberian 1.38
10 East_African 1.09
11 Afroasiatic 0.86
12 Amerindian 0.7
13 East_Siberian 0.51
14 Melano-Austronesian 0.26
15 Archaic_African 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South-German 4.73
2 Mixed_European 5.89
3 North_German 6.09
4 Swede 8.17
5 Austrian 9.44
6 N._European 10.27
7 Belgian 10.34
8 Swedish 11.23
9 Mixed_German 12.04
10 CEU 12.63
11 Welsh 12.75
12 Cornish 15.06
13 British_Kent 15.14
14 French 15.21
15 Scottish_Argyll 17.42
16 Mixed_CEU 17.52
17 Orcadian 17.54
18 Hungarians 17.79
19 German 18.09
20 Occitan 19.74

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 74.4% South-German + 25.6% Swedish @ 2.89
2 77.6% Swede + 22.4% Italian_Piedmont @ 2.9
3 60.6% Cornish + 39.4% Croatian @ 2.92
4 85.3% Swede + 14.7% Ashkenazy_Jews @ 2.92
5 87.2% Swede + 12.8% French_Jew @ 2.93
6 81% Swede + 19% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.95
7 65% CEU + 35% Croatian @ 2.96
8 67.5% South-German + 32.5% Swede @ 2.98
9 78.9% Swede + 21.1% Toscani @ 3.01
10 58.8% CEU + 41.2% Hungarians @ 3.03
11 85.5% Swede + 14.5% Sephardic_Jews @ 3.04
12 86.2% Swede + 13.8% Italian_Jew @ 3.04
13 64.8% Welsh + 35.2% Croatian @ 3.04
14 82.7% Swede + 17.3% Sicilian @ 3.05
15 50.4% Orcadian + 49.6% Hungarians @ 3.05
16 54.3% Cornish + 45.7% Hungarians @ 3.07
17 84.4% Swede + 15.6% Romanian_Jews @ 3.11
18 81.3% Swede + 18.7% Central-Greek @ 3.11
19 54.9% Hungarians + 45.1% British @ 3.12
20 66.5% Mixed_European + 33.5% Belgian @ 3.18

bol_nat
09-01-2014, 05:10 AM
Results for Sapporo, HRP0341 (Punjabi Jatt Sikh)

15.06% Caucasian-Basal
0.00% Melano-Austronesian
6.63% Uralic
0.45% Ancestral_East_Siber
1.73% Ancestral_West_Siber
36.18% Ancestral_North_Indi
27.28% Ancestral_South_Indi
1.35% West_European_HG
2.53% Ancestral_Sami-Finni
0.00% South_East_Asian
0.00% Archaic_African
0.02% Ancestral_Mediterran
0.75% Circumpolar
0.54% Near-East-Basal
5.18% Ancestral_East_Europ
0.33% African_Sub_Saharian
1.97% Amerindian

Oracle

[1,] "Punjabi_Jatt_Sikh" "5.2953"
[2,] "Pathan" "7.1383"
[3,] "Burusho" "8.209"
[4,] "Punjabi_Jatt_Muslim" "9.2197"
[5,] "Pakistani" "11.6049"
[6,] "Sindhi" "12.03"
[7,] "Tiwari" "12.1765"
[8,] "Kalash" "13.7526"
[9,] "Pashtun" "16.3335"
[10,] "Central_Asian" "18.1983"


[1,] "46.8% Kalash + 53.2% Tiwari" "3.2345"
[2,] "19.6% Chenchu + 80.4% Kalash" "3.2562"
[3,] "15.7% Irula + 84.3% Kalash" "3.3061"
[4,] "85.6% Kalash + 14.4% Pulliyar" "3.4553"
[5,] "84.9% Kalash + 15.1% Paniya" "3.4674"
[6,] "39% Kalash + 61% Punjabi_Jatt_Muslim" "3.5925"
[7,] "22.6% Kalash + 77.4% Punjabi_Jatt_Sikh" "3.6184"
[8,] "81.5% Kalash + 18.5% Nihali" "3.8193"
[9,] "71.9% Kalash + 28.1% Lambadi" "3.872"
[10,] "80.6% Kalash + 19.4% Kurumba" "3.9426"

Which calculator is that from Gedmatch?

vettor
09-01-2014, 07:01 AM
My first match also a Neapolitan scores over 80 % Italian and 10% MENA from which most is Middle Eastern like most Neapolitans score. I have another Neapolitan match who scores over 18% MENA. I also have many Northern Italians in my sharing list and none score over 3 % MENA on 23andme and most below 1% or nothing...People from Gaeta actually do, but somewhat less than other Campanians and people from Naples in specific.



I am North-Italian and only have 0.5% MENA..........24.6% Italian and 21.2 % French-German ......this is 23andme............but 23andme have only 13 borrowed samples for North-Italians..............the only thing 23andme has done correctly has noted me as North-European ( well North-Italy is higher than south-france on the latitude global scale )

If any of these gedmatch admixture programmers pull out the east alpine french, swiss, north-italians, austrians, slovenians and south-germans from there calculations and lump these into one group, then this group and ALL the other groups would be far more accurate ....my opinion

bol_nat
09-01-2014, 01:20 PM
Punjabi Jatt from Pakistan

MDLP Ancient Roots K18 ( Can anyone explain how to do it in K17 Beta? thanks :)) Is harappadna accepting new samples?

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 South_Central_Asian 33.36
2 South_Indian 29.70
3 Caucasian 11.16
4 Volga-Uralic 5.51
5 Mediterranean 5.20
6 East_European 2.89
7 Roma 2.53
8 Arctic 2.29
9 Melano-Austronesian 1.91
10 West_Siberian 1.67
11 North_West_European 1.35

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Pakistani @ 9.449838
2 Burusho @ 9.705019
3 Pathan @ 9.709219
4 Tiwari @ 11.050105
5 Sindhi @ 11.797271
6 Mumbai_Jews @ 14.365691
7 Kshatriya @ 17.840132
8 Vaish @ 18.680820
9 Brahmins_Tamil @ 19.323748
10 AP_Brahmin @ 19.333725
11 Kalash @ 19.482738
12 TN_Brahmin @ 19.842611
13 Pashtun @ 20.069349
14 Brahmins_UP @ 20.306450
15 Nepalese @ 20.474916
16 Meghawal @ 21.673389
17 Tharus @ 24.708960
18 Srivastava @ 25.001717
19 Uzbek @ 25.197718
20 Marwadi-Middle-caste @ 26.118483

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Brahmins_Tamil +50% Pashtun @ 5.734327


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Brahmins_UP +25% Iranians +25% Kalash @ 4.206662


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Kalash + Mumbai_Jews + Pashtun + Tharus @ 3.488050
2 Dharkars + Kalash + Mumbai_Jews + Pashtun @ 3.614259
3 Brahmins_UP + Kalash + Kurd + Tharus @ 3.710578
4 Kshatriya + Mumbai_Jews + Pashtun + Sindhi @ 3.713516
5 Kalash + Kshatriya + Mumbai_Jews + Pathan @ 3.777028
6 Brahmins_UP + Kalash + Mumbai_Jews + Pathan @ 3.783770
7 Kalash + Kurd + Tharus + Tharus @ 3.788559
8 Burusho + Kalash + Kshatriya + Mumbai_Jews @ 3.800404
9 Chenchu + Kalash + Parsi + Pashtun @ 3.809996
10 Kalash + Kanjars + Mumbai_Jews + Pashtun @ 3.830143
11 Brahmins_UP + Burusho + Kalash + Mumbai_Jews @ 3.841105
12 Brahmins_UP + Mumbai_Jews + Pashtun + Sindhi @ 3.855171
13 Brahmins_UP + Dharkars + Kalash + Kurd @ 3.858853
14 Brahmins_UP + Iranians + Kalash + Tharus @ 3.893374
15 Mumbai_Jews + Sindhi + Tadjik + Tharus @ 3.906286
16 Kalash + Kurds + Tharus + Tharus @ 3.943996
17 Brahmins_UP + Kalash + Kurds + Tharus @ 3.954851
18 Kalash + Mumbai_Jews + Naidu + Tadjik @ 3.955235
19 Kalash + Mumbai_Jews + Tadjik + Velamas @ 3.955860
20 Kalash + Kurd + Meghawal + Tharus @ 3.979495

Wolfstroy
09-01-2014, 06:01 PM
Here are my K17 results (DIYDodecad + K17):

----------------------------
FINAL ADMIXTURE PROPORTIONS:
----------------------------

5.67% Caucasian-Basal
1.07% Melano-Austronesian
3.69% Uralic
0.00% Ancestral_East_Siber
0.30% Ancestral_West_Siber
4.36% Ancestral_North_Indi
0.01% Ancestral_South_Indi
30.17% West_European_HG
2.01% Ancestral_Sami-Finni
1.54% South_East_Asian
0.95% Archaic_African
21.33% Ancestral_Mediterran
0.83% Circumpolar
6.04% Near-East-Basal
15.71% Ancestral_East_Europ
1.86% African_Sub_Saharian
4.47% Amerindian

CPU time = 505.60 sec

[1,] "Spanish-Aragon-Valencia" "9.7707"
[2,] "Occitan" "10.1266"
[3,] "Spaniard_Extremadura" "11.2258"
[4,] "Portugese" "12.7599"
[5,] "Italian-North" "13.6487"
[6,] "Italian_Piedmont" "13.8554"
[7,] "Spaniard_Castilla_La_Mancha" "14.7198"
[8,] "Mixed German-British" "15.1292"
[9,] "Corsican" "15.3671"
[10,] "Spaniard" "15.4735"
[11,] "German-Volga" "15.6983"
[12,] "French" "15.7482"
[13,] "Italian-Toscani" "16.3224"
[14,] "Spaniard_Valencia" "16.6714"
[15,] "Italian" "16.9368"
[16,] "Gok2" "17.0048"
[17,] "Spaniard_Castilla_y_Leon" "17.595"
[18,] "English" "18.1218"
[19,] "Scottish" "18.1963"
[20,] "German-South" "18.2994"


[1,] "19.9% Afontova-Gora + 80.1% Spaniard_Extremadura" "4.738"
[2,] "22.2% Afontova-Gora + 77.8% Portugese" "5.2004"
[3,] "27.5% Puerto-Rican + 72.5% Spanish-Aragon-Valencia" "5.5266"
[4,] "74.7% Portugese + 25.3% Tatar-Kazan" "5.5633"
[5,] "77.8% Spaniard_Extremadura + 22.2% Tatar-Kazan" "5.6927"
[6,] "53.9% Irish + 46.1% Oetzi" "5.714"
[7,] "17.2% Mixed_South_American + 82.8% Spanish-Aragon-Valencia" "5.7369"
[8,] "16.8% Afontova-Gora + 83.2% Occitan" "5.8889"
[9,] "74.6% Portugese + 25.4% Tatar-Mishar" "5.8938"
[10,] "77.1% Portugese + 22.9% Tatar_Lithuanian" "5.9396"
[11,] "17.8% Mexican_CV + 82.2% Spanish-Aragon-Valencia" "5.9795"
[12,] "77.8% Spaniard_Extremadura + 22.2% Tatar-Mishar" "6.0323"
[13,] "80.1% Spaniard_Extremadura + 19.9% Tatar_Lithuanian" "6.1106"
[14,] "63.2% Mixed German-British + 36.8% Oetzi" "6.1182"
[15,] "8.4% Anzik + 91.6% Spanish-Aragon-Valencia" "6.2008"
[16,] "79.6% Spaniard_Extremadura + 20.4% Tatar" "6.2321"
[17,] "11.2% Cree + 88.8% Spanish-Aragon-Valencia" "6.2508"
[18,] "15.3% Mexican + 84.7% Spanish-Aragon-Valencia" "6.2687"
[19,] "13.8% Malta-1 + 86.2% Spanish-Aragon-Valencia" "6.2869"
[20,] "8.6% Athabask + 91.4% Spanish-Aragon-Valencia" "6.3096"

Vadim Verenich
09-01-2014, 07:00 PM
Well, it looks like the results are rather meaningless, to say the least.
The first, less time-consuming approach of tweaking the results doesn't pay off at all.

I think i should go with another approach, suggested by a fellow genome blogger Polako.
1) I'll probably use the K17 allele P-frequencies for generating a simulated datatset of 17 quasi-ancestral populations (aka Dienekes's zombies)
2) Then i'll run new Admixture analysis in supervised mode where my dataset will be comapred against these 17 simulated reference populations. Though i am not completely sure, my assumption is that this trick will make the populations in my dataset affected by the allele frequencies in simulated populations (i.e by the infamous calculator effect). This trick will also make 'reference populations' in my dataset comparable to users' data in the Oracle comparisions.
3) Finally, i'll make new K17beta calculator with the initial K17 allele P-frequencies and new Oracle with Q-matrix (admixture coefficients) from the supervised run of Admixture.

Ok, i put together a new beta of K17 calculator using the methodology described above, and as far as i hope, it potentially produces more accurate results. The TOracle is still affected by statistical biases which render the results less useful as expected, however, this time their effect is less harmful.

Here is a link (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6n7iMc2P-yQZUxGdXBpWEVvN0U/edit?usp=sharing)for downloading.

Dr_McNinja
09-01-2014, 07:21 PM
I got this error:


-----------------------------------------------------------
-- DIY Dodecad v 2.1 --------------------------------------
[email protected]@@@@@@----
-- Copyright (c) 2011 Dienekes Pontikos [email protected]@[email protected]@---
[email protected]@---
-- More information: [email protected]@@@@@@----
----- Dienekes' Anthropology Blog [email protected]@----------
-------- http://dienekes.blogspot.com -[email protected]@----------
----- The Dodecad Ancestry Project [email protected]@@@@@@@@---
-------- http://dodecad.blogspot.com ----------------------
-----------------------------------------------------------

17 ancestral populations
130344 total SNPs
At line 120 of file DIYDodecad.f90 file: "k17test17.F"
Traceback: not available, compile with -ftrace=frame or -ftrace=full
Fortran runtime error: The system cannot find the file specified.

Warning message:
running command 'DIYDodecadWin k17.par' had status 2
Renamed "k17test.7.f" to "k17test17.f" and trying again

Dr_McNinja
09-01-2014, 07:24 PM
It worked but I got crazy results,


0.55% Caucasian-Basal
1.15% Melano-Austronesian
1.35% Uralic
25.04% Ancestral_East_Siber
0.19% Ancestral_West_Siber
0.37% Ancestral_North_Indi
41.14% Ancestral_South_Indi
10.90% West_European_HG
7.48% Ancestral_Sami-Finni
1.53% South_East_Asian
3.19% Archaic_African
0.70% Ancestral_Mediterran
1.01% Circumpolar
1.16% Near-East-Basal
1.50% Ancestral_East_Europ
1.17% African_Sub_Saharian
1.57% Amerindian

Vadim Verenich
09-01-2014, 07:25 PM
Dammit, i attached the wrong file

Vadim Verenich
09-01-2014, 07:29 PM
It worked but I got crazy results,

Sure, because the .F file included in archive does not belong to this calculator. I will fix the problem in a couple of minutes

Vadim Verenich
09-01-2014, 07:31 PM
Here is a new link (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6n7iMc2P-yQZUxGdXBpWEVvN0U/edit?usp=sharing) with correct K17test17.F file.

Dr_McNinja
09-01-2014, 07:45 PM
My results now:

11.49% Caucasian-Basal
0.70% Melano-Austronesian
1.50% Uralic
1.53% Ancestral_East_Siber
1.15% Ancestral_West_Siber
25.05% Ancestral_North_Indi
41.15% Ancestral_South_Indi
1.69% West_European_HG
1.01% Ancestral_Sami-Finni
1.19% South_East_Asian
0.12% Archaic_African
3.52% Ancestral_Mediterran
0.37% Circumpolar
0.12% Near-East-Basal
7.49% Ancestral_East_Europ
0.60% African_Sub_Saharian
1.32% Amerindian

Sapporo/HRP0341:

12.59% Caucasian-Basal
0.46% Melano-Austronesian
2.24% Uralic
1.26% Ancestral_East_Siber
1.09% Ancestral_West_Siber
30.01% Ancestral_North_Indi
33.82% Ancestral_South_Indi
1.89% West_European_HG
1.25% Ancestral_Sami-Finni
0.61% South_East_Asian
0.11% Archaic_African
4.92% Ancestral_Mediterran
0.35% Circumpolar
0.11% Near-East-Basal
7.70% Ancestral_East_Europ
0.28% African_Sub_Saharian
1.32% Amerindian

soulblighter (South Indian):

6.15% Caucasian-Basal
0.68% Melano-Austronesian
1.48% Uralic
0.97% Ancestral_East_Siber
0.85% Ancestral_West_Siber
26.63% Ancestral_North_Indi
52.08% Ancestral_South_Indi
0.89% West_European_HG
0.41% Ancestral_Sami-Finni
2.06% South_East_Asian
0.10% Archaic_African
3.13% Ancestral_Mediterran
0.27% Circumpolar
0.10% Near-East-Basal
2.90% Ancestral_East_Europ
0.77% African_Sub_Saharian
0.52% Amerindian

Previous K17 results for comparison: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuXBmvmgdkfVdFMtRHVlZDBuQ3lMcjhxMDE4V3JoY lE&usp=drive_web#gid=16

It seems to have shifted all the South Asians towards the Southeast by several percent.

Not sure I like the new one. My Oracle kept saying 50% South Indian, 50% Tajik or around then, which could represent a Punjabi but the previous one's Tiwari-centric results seemed to make more sense.

MfA
09-01-2014, 07:46 PM
Is it finished somewhow very quickly? It only took 20 seconds, other versions were around 3 minutes.

Dr_McNinja
09-01-2014, 07:46 PM
Is it finished somewhow very quickly? It only took 20 seconds, other versions were around 3 minutes.Yeah it finished a lot quicker.

MfA
09-01-2014, 07:58 PM
.....

ZephyrousMandaru
09-01-2014, 08:02 PM
That's certainly quite low Near-East-Basal and sky high Ancestral_Mediterranean. Oracle looks off. I'm still not sure if it should be calculated so quickly?



32.98% Caucasian-Basal
0.41% Melano-Austronesian
1.14% Uralic
0.50% Ancestral_East_Siberian
0.52% Ancestral_West_Siberian
16.82% Ancestral_North_Indian
2.65% Ancestral_South_Indian
2.96% West_European_HG
0.55% Ancestral_Sami-Finnic
0.36% South_East_Asian
0.17% Archaic_African
32.90% Ancestral_Mediterranean
0.27% Circumpolar
0.17% Near-East-Basal
6.56% Ancestral_East_European
0.57% African_Sub_Saharian
0.46% Amerindian

[1,] "Azeri" "8.7166"
[2,] "Turk" "10.8912"
[3,] "Kurd" "11.6085"
[4,] "Turkish_Kayseri" "12.1054"
[5,] "Uzbekistan_Jew" "14.8096"
[6,] "Iranian" "15.0189"
[7,] "Jew_Tat" "15.4831"
[8,] "Armenian_Yerevan" "16.5555"
[9,] "Kurd_Jew" "17.7652"
[10,] "Turkish_Adana" "18.5898"
[11,] "Azeri_Dagestan" "18.6724"
[12,] "Iran_Jew" "18.8118"
[13,] "Azov_Greek" "20.0193"
[14,] "Iraki" "21.0601"
[15,] "Iraqi_Jew" "21.5143"
[16,] "Turkish_Aydin" "22.8495"
[17,] "Greek-Islands" "23.5384"
[18,] "Syrian_Jew" "23.8148"
[19,] "Crimean_Tatar" "23.9022"
[20,] "Cretan" "23.9456"

[1,] "20.2% Parsi + 79.8% Turkish_Kayseri" "6.2097"
[2,] "15.9% Balochi + 84.1% Turkish_Kayseri" "6.8566"
[3,] "16.3% Makrani + 83.7% Turkish_Kayseri" "6.9147"
[4,] "15% Brahui + 85% Turkish_Kayseri" "6.9656"
[5,] "68.3% Armenian_Yerevan + 31.7% Tadik" "7.1138"
[6,] "66.4% Armenian_Yerevan + 33.6% Tajik" "7.2674"
[7,] "13.6% Makrani + 86.4% Turk" "7.3346"
[8,] "13.2% Balochi + 86.8% Turk" "7.3646"
[9,] "16.2% Parsi + 83.8% Turk" "7.4737"
[10,] "12.3% Brahui + 87.7% Turk" "7.4932"
[11,] "32.3% Azov_Greek + 67.7% Kurd" "7.5292"
[12,] "80.9% Azeri + 19.1% Azov_Greek" "7.5368"
[13,] "47.1% Kurd + 52.9% Turk" "7.5608"
[14,] "68.6% Azeri + 31.4% Turkish_Kayseri" "7.573"
[15,] "66.4% Azeri_Dagestan + 33.6% French_Jew" "7.6078"
[16,] "51.8% Kurd + 48.2% Turkish_Kayseri" "7.745"
[17,] "11.7% Albanian + 88.3% Azeri" "7.7743"
[18,] "88.2% Azeri + 11.8% Central-Greek" "7.8506"
[19,] "89.8% Azeri + 10.2% Toscani" "7.8528"
[20,] "88.9% Azeri + 11.1% Georgian_Laz" "7.8975"

How did you calculate the Oracle percentages? It's giving me an error.

MfA
09-01-2014, 08:04 PM
How did you calculate the Oracle percentages? It's giving me an error.

same as it used to, mines here feel free trying out

TOracle(c(32.98,0.41,1.14,0.50,0.52,16.82,2.65,2.9 6,0.55,0.36,0.17,32.90,0.27,0.17,6.56,0.57,0.46), k=20)
TOracle(c(32.98,0.41,1.14,0.50,0.52,16.82,2.65,2.9 6,0.55,0.36,0.17,32.90,0.27,0.17,6.56,0.57,0.46), mixedmode=T, k=20)

ZephyrousMandaru
09-01-2014, 08:06 PM
same as it used to, mines here feel free trying out

TOracle(c(32.98,0.41,1.14,0.50,0.52,16.82,2.65,2.9 6,0.55,0.36,0.17,32.90,0.27,0.17,6.56,0.57,0.46), k=20)
TOracle(c(32.98,0.41,1.14,0.50,0.52,16.82,2.65,2.9 6,0.55,0.36,0.17,32.90,0.27,0.17,6.56,0.57,0.46), mixedmode=T, k=20)

Yep, I forgot to add that "(c(" thanks anyway. But yes, both the ADMIXTURE Proportions and Oracle are inaccurate. "Non-Iranian Assyrian" is my own genome, yet I have genetic distance of about 20 from my own genome?



36.60% Caucasian-Basal
0.28% Melano-Austronesian
0.55% Uralic
0.11% Ancestral_East_Siber
0.24% Ancestral_West_Siber
11.08% Ancestral_North_Indi
1.09% Ancestral_South_Indi
3.95% West_European_HG
0.29% Ancestral_Sami-Finni
0.11% South_East_Asian
0.09% Archaic_African
40.76% Ancestral_Mediterran
0.12% Circumpolar
0.09% Near-East-Basal
3.30% Ancestral_East_Europ
1.25% African_Sub_Saharian
0.08% Amerindian

Population Sharing

[,1] [,2]
[1,] "Armenian_Yerevan" "15.0777"
[2,] "Greek-Island" "17.2167"
[3,] "Cypriot" "18.0172"
[4,] "Turk_Kayseri" "18.9818"
[5,] "Turk" "19.579"
[6,] "Syrian_Jew" "19.6068"
[7,] "Cretan" "19.763"
[8,] "Turk_Adana" "20.4389"
[9,] "Non-Iranian Assyrian" "20.9301"
[10,] "Jew_Tat" "21.6837"
[11,] "Azov_Greek" "21.736"
[12,] "Turk_Trabzon" "21.8368"
[13,] "Assiryan" "22.085"
[14,] "Cypriot-Turk" "22.4296"
[15,] "Kurds_North" "24.3455"
[16,] "Iranian Assyrian" "24.5312"
[17,] "Azeri" "24.9745"
[18,] "Druze" "25.025"
[19,] "Kurd" "25.0661"
[20,] "Sephardic_Jew" "25.071"

Mixed Mode

[,1] [,2]
[1,] "48.4% French_Jew + 51.6% Georgian_Laz" "7.7444"
[2,] "58.8% French_Jew + 41.2% Georgian_Imereti" "8.3622"
[3,] "59% French_Jew + 41% Georgians" "9.3164"
[4,] "40.7% Abhkasian + 59.3% French_Jew" "9.693"
[5,] "49.1% Georgian_Laz + 50.9% Italian_Jew" "10.2462"
[6,] "41.7% French_Jew + 58.3% Turk_Trabzon" "10.2963"
[7,] "71.7% Armenian_Yerevan + 28.3% French_Jew" "10.8002"
[8,] "83.4% Armenian_Yerevan + 16.6% Sardinian" "10.9136"
[9,] "34.5% Georgian_Laz + 65.5% Greek-Island" "11.3048"
[10,] "47.6% Georgian_Laz + 52.4% Sephardic_Jew" "11.3078"
[11,] "38% Georgian_Imereti + 62% Italian_Jew" "11.5617"
[12,] "51.6% Ashkenazi + 48.4% Georgian_Laz" "11.6265"
[13,] "59.3% Greek-Island + 40.7% Turk_Trabzon" "11.6516"
[14,] "59.7% French_Jew + 40.3% Ossetian" "11.675"
[15,] "80.6% Armenian_Yerevan + 19.4% LBK_Stuttgart" "11.6806"
[16,] "50.1% Georgian_Laz + 49.9% Tunisian_Jew" "11.6922"
[17,] "48.1% Georgian_Laz + 51.9% Romanian_Jew" "11.7193"
[18,] "52.3% Georgian_Laz + 47.7% Moroccan_Jew" "11.751"
[19,] "64.2% Cypriot + 35.8% Georgian_Laz" "11.7925"
[20,] "43.9% Italian_Jew + 56.1% Turk_Trabzon" "11.8306"

MfA
09-01-2014, 08:21 PM
Yep, I forgot to add that "(c(" thanks anyway. But yes, both the ADMIXTURE Proportions and Oracle are inaccurate. "Non-Iranian Assyrian" is my own genome, yet I have genetic distance of about 20 from my own genome?



36.60% Caucasian-Basal
0.28% Melano-Austronesian
0.55% Uralic
0.11% Ancestral_East_Siber
0.24% Ancestral_West_Siber
11.08% Ancestral_North_Indi
1.09% Ancestral_South_Indi
3.95% West_European_HG
0.29% Ancestral_Sami-Finni
0.11% South_East_Asian
0.09% Archaic_African
40.76% Ancestral_Mediterran
0.12% Circumpolar
0.09% Near-East-Basal
3.30% Ancestral_East_Europ
1.25% African_Sub_Saharian
0.08% Amerindian

Population Sharing

[,1] [,2]
[1,] "Armenian_Yerevan" "15.0777"
[2,] "Greek-Island" "17.2167"
[3,] "Cypriot" "18.0172"
[4,] "Turk_Kayseri" "18.9818"
[5,] "Turk" "19.579"
[6,] "Syrian_Jew" "19.6068"
[7,] "Cretan" "19.763"
[8,] "Turk_Adana" "20.4389"
[9,] "Non-Iranian Assyrian" "20.9301"
[10,] "Jew_Tat" "21.6837"
[11,] "Azov_Greek" "21.736"
[12,] "Turk_Trabzon" "21.8368"
[13,] "Assiryan" "22.085"
[14,] "Cypriot-Turk" "22.4296"
[15,] "Kurds_North" "24.3455"
[16,] "Iranian Assyrian" "24.5312"
[17,] "Azeri" "24.9745"
[18,] "Druze" "25.025"
[19,] "Kurd" "25.0661"
[20,] "Sephardic_Jew" "25.071"

Mixed Mode

[,1] [,2]
[1,] "48.4% French_Jew + 51.6% Georgian_Laz" "7.7444"
[2,] "58.8% French_Jew + 41.2% Georgian_Imereti" "8.3622"
[3,] "59% French_Jew + 41% Georgians" "9.3164"
[4,] "40.7% Abhkasian + 59.3% French_Jew" "9.693"
[5,] "49.1% Georgian_Laz + 50.9% Italian_Jew" "10.2462"
[6,] "41.7% French_Jew + 58.3% Turk_Trabzon" "10.2963"
[7,] "71.7% Armenian_Yerevan + 28.3% French_Jew" "10.8002"
[8,] "83.4% Armenian_Yerevan + 16.6% Sardinian" "10.9136"
[9,] "34.5% Georgian_Laz + 65.5% Greek-Island" "11.3048"
[10,] "47.6% Georgian_Laz + 52.4% Sephardic_Jew" "11.3078"
[11,] "38% Georgian_Imereti + 62% Italian_Jew" "11.5617"
[12,] "51.6% Ashkenazi + 48.4% Georgian_Laz" "11.6265"
[13,] "59.3% Greek-Island + 40.7% Turk_Trabzon" "11.6516"
[14,] "59.7% French_Jew + 40.3% Ossetian" "11.675"
[15,] "80.6% Armenian_Yerevan + 19.4% LBK_Stuttgart" "11.6806"
[16,] "50.1% Georgian_Laz + 49.9% Tunisian_Jew" "11.6922"
[17,] "48.1% Georgian_Laz + 51.9% Romanian_Jew" "11.7193"
[18,] "52.3% Georgian_Laz + 47.7% Moroccan_Jew" "11.751"
[19,] "64.2% Cypriot + 35.8% Georgian_Laz" "11.7925"
[20,] "43.9% Italian_Jew + 56.1% Turk_Trabzon" "11.8306"

I failed to see your sample nor new Kurdish values in the Oracle out of 453 populations. Are you sure you are using right oracle?

ZephyrousMandaru
09-01-2014, 08:35 PM
I failed to see your sample nor new Kurdish values in the Oracle out of 453 populations. Are you sure you are using right oracle?

Yeah I am, have you tried expanding your population listings? I probably have a genetic distance of more than 23 from you, try typing in "k = 30".

MfA
09-01-2014, 08:37 PM
Yeah I am, have you tried expanding your population listings? I probably have a genetic distance of more than 23 from you, try typing in "k = 30".

That's weird, lol.



[1,] "Azeri" "8.7166"
[2,] "Turk" "10.8912"
[3,] "Kurd" "11.6085"
[4,] "Turkish_Kayseri" "12.1054"
[5,] "Uzbekistan_Jew" "14.8096"
[6,] "Iranian" "15.0189"
[7,] "Jew_Tat" "15.4831"
[8,] "Armenian_Yerevan" "16.5555"
[9,] "Kurd_Jew" "17.7652"
[10,] "Turkish_Adana" "18.5898"
[11,] "Azeri_Dagestan" "18.6724"
[12,] "Iran_Jew" "18.8118"
[13,] "Azov_Greek" "20.0193"
[14,] "Iraki" "21.0601"
[15,] "Iraqi_Jew" "21.5143"
[16,] "Turkish_Aydin" "22.8495"
[17,] "Greek-Islands" "23.5384"
[18,] "Syrian_Jew" "23.8148"
[19,] "Crimean_Tatar" "23.9022"
[20,] "Cretan" "23.9456"
[21,] "Cypriot" "24.278"
[22,] "Syrian" "24.3488"
[23,] "Kumyk" "24.6004"
[24,] "Cirkassian" "25.7203"
[25,] "Druze" "26.3899"
[26,] "Turkish_Trabzon" "27.2444"
[27,] "Lezgin" "28.6604"
[28,] "Sephardic_Jew" "29.1513"
[29,] "Turkmen" "29.2497"
[30,] "Sicilian" "29.3226"
[31,] "Kabardin" "29.3785"
[32,] "Romanian_Jew" "29.3919"
[33,] "Italian_Abruzzo" "29.4509"
[34,] "North_Greek" "29.4875"
[35,] "Central-Greek" "29.5054"
[36,] "Jordanian" "30.0032"
[37,] "Tajik" "30.2367"
[38,] "Georgian_Laz" "30.5504"
[39,] "Ashkenazy_Jew" "30.7035"
[40,] "Albanian" "30.7815"
[41,] "Nogais" "30.8055"
[42,] "Italian_Jew" "31.6529"
[43,] "Balkars" "31.8855"
[44,] "Tabassaran" "31.958"
[45,] "Stalskoe" "31.9791"
[46,] "Tunisian_Jew" "32.2044"
[47,] "Moroccan_Jew" "32.2241"
[48,] "Morocco_Jew" "32.6509"
[49,] "Adygei" "32.7814"
[50,] "Lebanese" "32.9241"
[51,] "Tadik" "33.0016"
[52,] "Palestinian" "33.5179"
[53,] "Roma_Bulgarian" "33.8289"
[54,] "Lak" "33.9589"
[55,] "Chechens" "34.0054"
[56,] "North-Ossetian" "34.1743"
[57,] "Greek" "34.286"
[58,] "Toscani" "34.3405"
[59,] "South_Greek" "34.3435"
[60,] "Roma" "34.3562"
[61,] "Avar" "34.397"
[62,] "French_Jew" "34.5806"
[63,] "Roma_Macedonian" "34.9789"
[64,] "Libyan_Jew" "35.0558"
[65,] "Roma_BH" "35.1109"
[66,] "Uzbek" "35.2715"
[67,] "Ossetian" "35.733"
[68,] "Pashtun" "35.888"
[69,] "Samaritian" "35.8914"
[70,] "Roma_Slovenian" "36.3624"
[71,] "Kosovar" "37.0307"
[72,] "Abhkasian" "37.4446"
[73,] "Italian_Piedmont" "37.8433"
[74,] "Georgian" "38.4665"
[75,] "Urkarah" "39.0816"
[76,] "Mixed_East_European" "39.5771"
[77,] "Georgian_Imereti" "39.7282"
[78,] "Gagauz" "39.9341"
[79,] "Romanian" "40.1246"
[80,] "Egyptans" "41.3366"
[81,] "Parsi" "41.5789"
[82,] "Corsican" "42.007"
[83,] "North_Italian" "42.1843"
[84,] "Yemenese" "43.1277"
[85,] "Bulgarian" "44.168"
[86,] "Macedonian" "44.401"
[87,] "Pathan" "45.5663"
[88,] "Puerto-Rican" "45.9596"
[89,] "Occitan" "46.0756"
[90,] "Kalash" "46.9615"
[91,] "Montenegrian" "47.2415"
[92,] "Colombian" "47.5273"
[93,] "Uyghur" "47.6981"
[94,] "Portugese" "48.034"
[95,] "Hazara" "48.1116"
[96,] "Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha" "48.1458"
[97,] "Spanish_Extremadura" "48.7043"
[98,] "Uygur" "48.7239"
[99,] "Mumbai_Jew" "48.9701"
[100,] "Spanish_Valencia" "49.4405"
[101,] "Burusho" "49.5481"
[102,] "Serb_Serbia" "49.8072"
[103,] "Tunisian" "49.9749"
[104,] "Russian_South" "50.1328"
[105,] "Spaniards" "50.271"
[106,] "Mozabite" "50.4793"
[107,] "Karakalpak" "50.521"
[108,] "Morocco_S" "50.6227"
[109,] "Algerian" "50.6488"
[110,] "Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon" "50.7519"
[111,] "French_South" "51.0261"
[112,] "Makrani" "51.6191"
[113,] "Saharawi" "52.5808"
[114,] "Balochi" "53.3146"
[115,] "Spanish_Cataluna" "53.4127"
[116,] "Moroccan" "53.5678"
[117,] "Sindhi" "53.8625"
[118,] "French" "54.077"
[119,] "Mexican_CV" "54.3013"
[120,] "Yemenite_Jew" "54.5624"
[121,] "Tatar_Lithuanian" "55.4052"
[122,] "Spain_BASC" "55.7114"
[123,] "Sardinian" "55.7124"
[124,] "Bashkir" "55.9571"
[125,] "Austrian" "56.529"
[126,] "Icelandic" "56.555"
[127,] "Brahui" "56.6892"
[128,] "South-German" "56.7102"
[129,] "Bosnian" "56.7729"
[130,] "Pakistani" "56.8407"
[131,] "Serb_BH" "57.194"
[132,] "Spanish_Pais_Vasco" "57.2172"
[133,] "Tatar" "57.7097"
[134,] "Croat_BH" "57.7743"
[135,] "N._European" "57.8231"
[136,] "Tiwari" "57.9101"
[137,] "Croat" "58.0213"
[138,] "Nepalese" "58.3954"
[139,] "Kazakh" "59.1477"
[140,] "Belgian" "59.1809"
[141,] "Miwok" "59.2285"
[142,] "Saudi" "59.7443"
[143,] "Welsh" "59.8007"
[144,] "Mexican" "60.5225"
[145,] "British_Kent" "60.6927"
[146,] "Cornish" "61.3034"
[147,] "CEU" "61.3402"
[148,] "French_Basque" "61.4344"
[149,] "Croatian" "61.4878"
[150,] "Slovenian" "62.2157"
[151,] "Mixed_European" "62.5392"
[152,] "Shor" "62.7833"
[153,] "Tsimsian" "63.0384"
[154,] "Kryashen" "63.0494"
[155,] "Scottish_Argyll" "63.3215"
[156,] "Kyrgyzian" "63.7593"
[157,] "Mixed_German" "64.0306"
[158,] "Orcadian" "64.5979"
[159,] "Hakas" "64.9238"
[160,] "Mishar" "65.0522"
[161,] "North_German" "65.5965"
[162,] "Czech" "65.8421"
[163,] "British" "65.8423"
[164,] "West_Greenland" "65.9988"
[165,] "Bedouin" "66.1356"
[166,] "German" "66.4833"
[167,] "Norwegian" "66.5852"
[168,] "Chuvash" "66.6775"
[169,] "Vaish" "66.7587"
[170,] "Kshatriya" "67.0007"
[171,] "Altaian" "67.4023"
[172,] "Slovak" "67.486"
[173,] "Serrano" "67.617"
[174,] "Mansi" "67.7894"
[175,] "TN_Brahmin" "68.4562"
[176,] "AP_Brahmin" "68.5729"
[177,] "Brahmin_Tamil" "68.6752"
[178,] "Swede" "68.8648"
[179,] "Amhara" "69.1279"
[180,] "Brahmin_UP" "69.809"
[181,] "Komi" "69.8969"
[182,] "Mixed_CEU" "70.7037"
[183,] "Tygray" "71.0088"
[184,] "Meghawal" "71.0247"
[185,] "Hungarian" "71.8514"
[186,] "Maris" "73.1825"
[187,] "Srivastava" "73.3427"
[188,] "Ethiopian_Jew" "73.499"
[189,] "Haida" "73.7814"
[190,] "Ethiopian" "73.9932"
[191,] "Ukranian" "74.5798"
[192,] "Kalmyk" "74.8537"
[193,] "Don_cossack" "75.2985"
[194,] "Oromo" "75.5894"
[195,] "Mordovian" "75.6806"
[196,] "Lambadi" "75.7262"
[197,] "Marwadi-Middle-caste" "76.1817"
[198,] "Mixed_East_Slav" "76.3148"
[199,] "Cree" "76.5579"
[200,] "Ukrainian" "76.6198"
[201,] "Russian" "76.847"
[202,] "Muslim" "76.8477"
[203,] "Sorbs" "77.1169"
[204,] "Dharkars" "77.1754"
[205,] "Udmurd" "77.3522"
[206,] "Gujarati" "77.6033"
[207,] "Qatari" "77.7028"
[208,] "Algonquin" "77.8254"
[209,] "Finn" "77.9526"
[210,] "Onge" "78.1508"
[211,] "South-Russian" "78.1871"
[212,] "Mongol_Halha" "78.2802"
[213,] "Mongolian" "78.3554"
[214,] "Esomali" "78.5557"
[215,] "Tuvinian" "78.6119"
[216,] "Tharu" "78.6287"
[217,] "Eskimo" "78.6425"
[218,] "North-Russian" "78.7163"
[219,] "Hant" "78.9754"
[220,] "Ojibwa" "79.1303"
[221,] "Kanjar" "79.6179"
[222,] "Chilote" "79.6895"
[223,] "Buryat" "79.7454"
[224,] "Pole" "79.7865"
[225,] "Nenets" "80.3748"
[226,] "Tuva" "80.4378"
[227,] "QH_Mongolian" "80.4721"
[228,] "Velama" "80.5482"
[229,] "West-Belarusian" "80.6735"
[230,] "East-Belarusian" "80.9539"
[231,] "Chukchi" "81.1989"
[232,] "Wolyata" "81.276"
[233,] "Cochimi" "81.6023"
[234,] "Center-Russian" "81.7255"
[235,] "Vepsa" "81.7932"
[236,] "Nama" "81.8784"
[237,] "Karelian" "82.088"
[238,] "Belarusian" "82.3297"
[239,] "Somali" "82.4217"
[240,] "Kuban_cossack" "82.5028"
[241,] "Naidu" "82.7688"
[242,] "Mamanwa" "82.8594"
[243,] "Scheduled_Caste_UP" "82.8629"
[244,] "Saami" "82.9717"
[245,] "Lodi" "83.1211"
[246,] "Piramalai_Kallar" "83.8542"
[247,] "Gond" "83.9335"
[248,] "Selkup" "84.3226"
[249,] "Scheduled_Caste_Tamil_Nadu" "84.8556"
[250,] "Dusadh" "85.0831"
[251,] "Ket" "85.3083"
[252,] "Lamaholot" "85.5428"
[253,] "Shua" "85.9008"
[254,] "Manggarai" "85.9414"
[255,] "Kol" "85.9597"
[256,] "Ati" "86.0868"
[257,] "Oroqen" "86.1776"
[258,] "Lembata" "86.2325"
[259,] "Batak" "86.3822"
[260,] "Mixed_Slav" "86.3996"
[261,] "Khwe" "86.4269"
[262,] "Satnami" "86.5237"
[263,] "Daur" "86.6297"
[264,] "Vysya" "86.6929"
[265,] "Estonian" "87.0243"
[266,] "Koryak" "87.265"
[267,] "Kamsali" "87.7487"
[268,] "Ulchi" "87.8555"
[269,] "Tlingit" "87.8766"
[270,] "Hezhen" "87.9465"
[271,] "Kumiai" "88.1384"
[272,] "Alorese" "88.1805"
[273,] "Khomani" "88.3401"
[274,] "Kgalagadi" "88.7095"
[275,] "Bhil" "88.7833"
[276,] "Latvian" "89.0154"
[277,] "Malay" "89.0311"
[278,] "Lithuanian" "89.2205"
[279,] "Ho" "89.7653"
[280,] "Xibo" "89.8643"
[281,] "Tongan" "90.0261"
[282,] "Chamar" "90.045"
[283,] "Sakilli" "90.377"
[284,] "Kambera" "91.0618"
[285,] "Thai" "91.0912"
[286,] "Chipewyan" "91.1333"
[287,] "Samoan" "91.1798"
[288,] "Hakkipikki" "91.3839"
[289,] "Nihali" "91.7021"
[290,] "Dhurwa" "91.7537"
[291,] "Datog" "92.1648"
[292,] "Ryukyuan" "92.1731"
[293,] "Mawasi" "92.2394"
[294,] "Mon" "92.5781"
[295,] "Batak-Toba" "92.8063"
[296,] "Chenchu" "92.9879"
[297,] "Tu" "93.0025"
[298,] "Bhunjia" "93.1662"
[299,] "Kurumba" "93.3542"
[300,] "AP_Mala" "93.3586"
[301,] "Iraya" "94.439"
[302,] "Madou_Tibetian" "94.6157"
[303,] "Madiga" "94.6394"
[304,] "Proto-Malay" "94.6948"
[305,] "Cucupa" "94.7278"
[306,] "TTR_Tibetian" "94.7489"
[307,] "TN_Dalit" "94.8228"
[308,] "Santhal" "94.9232"
[309,] "Masai_Ayodo" "95.1646"
[310,] "Tshwa" "95.2186"
[311,] "Athabask" "95.2713"
[312,] "Korean" "95.8989"
[313,] "Saami-Swede" "95.9522"
[314,] "Yakut" "96.0145"
[315,] "Hallaki" "96.1816"
[316,] "Mala" "96.3442"
[317,] "Ari" "96.8757"
[318,] "Masai" "96.9572"
[319,] "Anzick" "97.341"
[320,] "Japanese" "98.115"
[321,] "Afroamerican" "98.1675"
[322,] "Minanubu" "98.4137"
[323,] "Khmer_Cambodian" "98.9209"
[324,] "Nysha" "99.0736"
[325,] "Yukaghir" "99.3882"
[326,] "Sunda" "99.4935"
[327,] "Xuun" "100.0729"
[328,] "Toraja" "101.0253"
[329,] "Hema" "101.0417"
[330,] "Sandawe" "101.2392"
[331,] "Nganassan" "101.333"
[332,] "Burmese" "101.3422"
[333,] "Karen" "101.5819"
[334,] "Dayak" "101.7881"
[335,] "Evenki" "101.9167"
[336,] "Naga" "101.9961"
[337,] "Malayan" "102.0729"
[338,] "Paluang" "102.1718"
[339,] "Paniya" "102.6749"
[340,] "Aonaga" "102.8676"
[341,] "Inga" "103.3839"
[342,] "Kikuyu" "103.545"
[343,] "Maya" "103.5661"
[344,] "Naxi" "103.6532"
[345,] "Navajo" "103.8543"
[346,] "Bolivian_Cochabamba" "104.4804"
[347,] "Quechua_Coriell" "104.5109"
[348,] "Irula" "104.5223"
[349,] "Yizu" "104.8654"
[350,] "Apache" "104.9067"
[351,] "Dolgan" "104.9311"
[352,] "Lawa" "105.2831"
[353,] "Luiseno" "105.3104"
[354,] "Filipino" "105.636"
[355,] "Jinuo" "105.6565"
[356,] "Tswana" "105.6747"
[357,] "Bidayuh" "105.8193"
[358,] "North_Han" "106.0852"
[359,] "Plang" "106.2276"
[360,] "Htin" "106.2658"
[361,] "Wa" "106.7285"
[362,] "Taa_East" "106.8769"
[363,] "Mentawai" "107.224"
[364,] "Bolivian_Pando" "107.3097"
[365,] "Han" "107.4623"
[366,] "Damara" "107.9361"
[367,] "Lemba" "107.9447"
[368,] "Tai_Khuen" "108.3555"
[369,] "Pulliyar" "108.429"
[370,] "Sotho_Tswana" "108.4497"
[371,] "Taa_West" "108.6873"
[372,] "Tai_Yong" "108.7419"
[373,] "African-Caribbean" "108.9487"
[374,] "Vietnamese" "109.1133"
[375,] "Gumuz" "109.3066"
[376,] "Kinh" "109.4398"
[377,] "Evenk" "109.4808"
[378,] "Even" "109.4994"
[379,] "Bulala" "109.5989"
[380,] "Himba" "109.7312"
[381,] "Chinese" "110.0224"
[382,] "Zapotec" "110.0813"
[383,] "Lahu" "110.1786"
[384,] "Pima" "110.1973"
[385,] "Bantu" "110.228"
[386,] "Taiwanese" "110.2607"
[387,] "Vietnamese_north" "110.2889"
[388,] "Tujia" "110.3021"
[389,] "Mende_Sierra_Leone_MSL" "110.4772"
[390,] "Wambo" "110.5131"
[391,] "Hmong" "110.5639"
[392,] "Yao" "110.6926"
[393,] "Cachi" "110.7657"
[394,] "Luo" "110.8878"
[395,] "Zhuang" "110.9038"
[396,] "Vietnamese_central" "110.9194"
[397,] "Jiamao" "110.9837"
[398,] "Dinka" "110.9883"
[399,] "Hmong_Miao" "110.9977"
[400,] "Gui" "111.0328"
[401,] "Totonac" "111.1108"
[402,] "Dogon" "111.1349"
[403,] "Bambaran" "111.2492"
[404,] "Luhya" "111.3199"
[405,] "Mada" "111.3441"
[406,] "Yoruba" "111.3441"
[407,] "Hausa" "111.3441"
[408,] "Xhosa" "111.3441"
[409,] "Igbo" "111.3442"
[410,] "Mandenka" "111.3442"
[411,] "Alur" "111.3442"
[412,] "Anuak" "111.3442"
[413,] "Bamoun" "111.3442"
[414,] "Brong" "111.3442"
[415,] "Esan_Nigeria_ESN" "111.3442"
[416,] "Fang" "111.3442"
[417,] "Gambian_GWD" "111.3442"
[418,] "Kaba" "111.3442"
[419,] "Kongo" "111.3442"
[420,] "Mbuti_Pygmies" "111.3442"
[421,] "Nguni" "111.3442"
[422,] "Pedi" "111.3442"
[423,] "Pygmy" "111.3442"
[424,] "Sotho" "111.3442"
[425,] "Sudanese" "111.3442"
[426,] "Dai" "111.357"
[427,] "Kaqchikel" "111.363"
[428,] "Chinese_Dai" "111.404"
[429,] "Guarani" "111.4428"
[430,] "Mixtec" "111.4428"
[431,] "Aymara" "111.4429"
[432,] "Bolivian" "111.4429"
[433,] "Bolivian_LaPaz" "111.4429"
[434,] "Cabecar" "111.4429"
[435,] "Chane" "111.4429"
[436,] "Huichol" "111.4429"
[437,] "Karitiana" "111.4429"
[438,] "Mixe" "111.4429"
[439,] "Piapoco" "111.4429"
[440,] "Quechua_RuizLinares" "111.4429"
[441,] "Surui" "111.4429"
[442,] "Ticuna" "111.4429"
[443,] "Wayuu" "111.4429"
[444,] "Wichi" "111.4429"
[445,] "Kosipe" "111.4878"
[446,] "Papuan" "111.4878"
[447,] "Naro" "111.5121"
[448,] "South_Han" "111.5254"
[449,] "Miaozu" "111.5326"
[450,] "She" "111.5326"
[451,] "Taa_North" "111.576"
[452,] "Ju_hoan_North" "111.7027"
[453,] "Ju_hoan_South" "111.7028"

Vadim Verenich
09-01-2014, 08:37 PM
No, you are not using the new Oracle, because there is no "Non-Iranian Assyrian" sample in new Oracle

ZephyrousMandaru
09-01-2014, 08:41 PM
Apologies, I was using the wrong Oracle.




Population Sharing
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "Armenian_Yerevan" "9.9699"
[2,] "Turkish_Kayseri" "11.072"
[3,] "Turk" "12.6567"
[4,] "Jew_Tat" "14.1134"
[5,] "Turkish_Adana" "15.5842"
[6,] "Azeri" "15.9997"
[7,] "Uzbekistan_Jew" "17.6411"
[8,] "Kurd" "18.1277"
[9,] "Cypriot" "18.6976"
[10,] "Kurd_Jew" "18.9859"
[11,] "Greek-Islands" "19.0185"
[12,] "Turkish_Trabzon" "19.1343"
[13,] "Syrian_Jew" "19.2579"
[14,] "Iran_Jew" "19.4022"
[15,] "Iraqi_Jew" "20.0493"
[16,] "Cretan" "21.4717"
[17,] "Azov_Greek" "21.6043"
[18,] "Iranian" "21.7872"
[19,] "Druze" "23.1318"
[20,] "Iraki" "23.5856"

Mixed Mode

[,1] [,2]
[1,] "87% Armenian_Yerevan + 13% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha" "6.6423"
[2,] "85.2% Armenian_Yerevan + 14.8% North_Italian" "6.6527"
[3,] "87.6% Armenian_Yerevan + 12.4% French_South" "6.6539"
[4,] "87.3% Armenian_Yerevan + 12.7% Spanish_Valencia" "6.6946"
[5,] "85.2% Armenian_Yerevan + 14.8% Corsican" "6.7507"
[6,] "88.6% Armenian_Yerevan + 11.4% Spain_BASC" "6.7575"
[7,] "84.1% Armenian_Yerevan + 15.9% Italian_Piedmont" "6.8415"
[8,] "82.4% Armenian_Yerevan + 17.6% Toscani" "6.8465"
[9,] "88.4% Armenian_Yerevan + 11.6% Spanish_Cataluna" "6.8558"
[10,] "87.9% Armenian_Yerevan + 12.1% Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon" "6.8866"
[11,] "89.1% Armenian_Yerevan + 10.9% Spanish_Pais_Vasco" "6.889"
[12,] "87.8% Armenian_Yerevan + 12.2% Spaniards" "6.8893"
[13,] "87.8% Armenian_Yerevan + 12.2% Sardinian" "6.9226"
[14,] "87.1% Armenian_Yerevan + 12.9% Occitan" "6.9372"
[15,] "87.4% Armenian_Yerevan + 12.6% Portugese" "6.9449"
[16,] "18.4% Albanian + 81.6% Armenian_Yerevan" "6.9865"
[17,] "87.7% Armenian_Yerevan + 12.3% Spanish_Extremadura" "6.9903"
[18,] "14.1% Sardinian + 85.9% Turkish_Kayseri" "7.0551"
[19,] "89.9% Armenian_Yerevan + 10.1% French_Basque" "7.0561"
[20,] "80% Armenian_Yerevan + 20% Italian_Abruzzo" "7.1251"


Edit: Strange how Armenians and Turks are my top populations, it's usually Iraqi and Iranian Jews at the very top.

Vadim Verenich
09-01-2014, 08:44 PM
Is it finished somewhow very quickly? It only took 20 seconds, other versions were around 3 minutes.

Yep, i used the same 'terminating' delta values as it was in Admixture run (7.10487e-05), the default value of DIYDodecadis is 1d-7. It would be interesting to see how the results will change with default value of delta.

MfA
09-01-2014, 08:51 PM
Yep, i used the same 'terminating' delta values as it was in Admixture run (7.10487e-05), the default value of DIYDodecadis is 1d-7. It would be interesting to see how the results will change with default value of delta.

Testing "1d-7" right now.

MfA
09-01-2014, 09:02 PM
That's certainly quite low Near-East-Basal and sky high Ancestral_Mediterranean. Oracle looks off. I'm still not sure if it should be calculated so quickly?



32.98% Caucasian-Basal
0.41% Melano-Austronesian
1.14% Uralic
0.50% Ancestral_East_Siberian
0.52% Ancestral_West_Siberian
16.82% Ancestral_North_Indian
2.65% Ancestral_South_Indian
2.96% West_European_HG
0.55% Ancestral_Sami-Finnic
0.36% South_East_Asian
0.17% Archaic_African
32.90% Ancestral_Mediterranean
0.27% Circumpolar
0.17% Near-East-Basal
6.56% Ancestral_East_European
0.57% African_Sub_Saharian
0.46% Amerindian

[1,] "Azeri" "8.7166"
[2,] "Turk" "10.8912"
[3,] "Kurd" "11.6085"
[4,] "Turkish_Kayseri" "12.1054"
[5,] "Uzbekistan_Jew" "14.8096"
[6,] "Iranian" "15.0189"
[7,] "Jew_Tat" "15.4831"
[8,] "Armenian_Yerevan" "16.5555"
[9,] "Kurd_Jew" "17.7652"
[10,] "Turkish_Adana" "18.5898"
[11,] "Azeri_Dagestan" "18.6724"
[12,] "Iran_Jew" "18.8118"
[13,] "Azov_Greek" "20.0193"
[14,] "Iraki" "21.0601"
[15,] "Iraqi_Jew" "21.5143"
[16,] "Turkish_Aydin" "22.8495"
[17,] "Greek-Islands" "23.5384"
[18,] "Syrian_Jew" "23.8148"
[19,] "Crimean_Tatar" "23.9022"
[20,] "Cretan" "23.9456"

[1,] "20.2% Parsi + 79.8% Turkish_Kayseri" "6.2097"
[2,] "15.9% Balochi + 84.1% Turkish_Kayseri" "6.8566"
[3,] "16.3% Makrani + 83.7% Turkish_Kayseri" "6.9147"
[4,] "15% Brahui + 85% Turkish_Kayseri" "6.9656"
[5,] "68.3% Armenian_Yerevan + 31.7% Tadik" "7.1138"
[6,] "66.4% Armenian_Yerevan + 33.6% Tajik" "7.2674"
[7,] "13.6% Makrani + 86.4% Turk" "7.3346"
[8,] "13.2% Balochi + 86.8% Turk" "7.3646"
[9,] "16.2% Parsi + 83.8% Turk" "7.4737"
[10,] "12.3% Brahui + 87.7% Turk" "7.4932"
[11,] "32.3% Azov_Greek + 67.7% Kurd" "7.5292"
[12,] "80.9% Azeri + 19.1% Azov_Greek" "7.5368"
[13,] "47.1% Kurd + 52.9% Turk" "7.5608"
[14,] "68.6% Azeri + 31.4% Turkish_Kayseri" "7.573"
[15,] "66.4% Azeri_Dagestan + 33.6% French_Jew" "7.6078"
[16,] "51.8% Kurd + 48.2% Turkish_Kayseri" "7.745"
[17,] "11.7% Albanian + 88.3% Azeri" "7.7743"
[18,] "88.2% Azeri + 11.8% Central-Greek" "7.8506"
[19,] "89.8% Azeri + 10.2% Toscani" "7.8528"
[20,] "88.9% Azeri + 11.1% Georgian_Laz" "7.8975"

More or less same results, It's less noisy that's for sure.

1d-7 results


34.36% Caucasian-Basal
0.01% Melano-Austronesian
0.15% Uralic
1.69% Ancestral_East_Siberian
0.04% Ancestral_West_Siberian
17.46% Ancestral_North_Indian
3.51% Ancestral_South_Indian
1.63% West_European_HG
0.00% Ancestral_Sami-Finnic
0.00% South_East_Asian
0.01% Archaic_African
33.87% Ancestral_Mediterranean
0.01% Circumpolar
0.01% Near-East-Basal
6.39% Ancestral_East_European
0.26% African_Sub_Saharian
0.62% Amerindian

[1,] "Azeri" "9.0145"
[2,] "Turk" "11.4314"
[3,] "Kurd" "11.8822"
[4,] "Turkish_Kayseri" "12.1288"
[5,] "Uzbekistan_Jew" "15.1374"
[6,] "Jew_Tat" "15.3951"
[7,] "Iranian" "15.6707"
[8,] "Armenian_Yerevan" "15.7409"
[9,] "Kurd_Jew" "18.0569"
[10,] "Azeri_Dagestan" "18.759"
[11,] "Iran_Jew" "18.986"
[12,] "Turkish_Adana" "19.4226"
[13,] "Azov_Greek" "21.1565"
[14,] "Iraqi_Jew" "21.697"
[15,] "Iraki" "21.7697"
[16,] "Turkish_Aydin" "23.6901"
[17,] "Syrian_Jew" "24.3176"
[18,] "Greek-Islands" "24.3285"
[19,] "Kumyk" "24.7163"
[20,] "Cypriot" "24.7718"

[1,] "19.7% Parsi + 80.3% Turkish_Kayseri" "6.6165"
[2,] "70.3% Armenian_Yerevan + 29.7% Tadik" "7.2188"
[3,] "15.5% Balochi + 84.5% Turkish_Kayseri" "7.2304"
[4,] "68.4% Armenian_Yerevan + 31.6% Tajik" "7.268"
[5,] "15.8% Makrani + 84.2% Turkish_Kayseri" "7.3202"
[6,] "14.6% Brahui + 85.4% Turkish_Kayseri" "7.3529"
[7,] "72.1% Armenian_Yerevan + 27.9% Pashtun" "7.5397"
[8,] "86.1% Azeri + 13.9% Georgian_Laz" "7.749"
[9,] "84.8% Azeri + 15.2% Turkish_Trabzon" "7.8107"
[10,] "67.4% Azeri + 32.6% Turkish_Kayseri" "7.8182"
[11,] "32.2% Balochi + 67.8% Turkish_Trabzon" "7.8662"
[12,] "59% Georgian_Laz + 41% Parsi" "7.9611"
[13,] "50.9% Kurd + 49.1% Turkish_Kayseri" "7.9727"
[14,] "23.1% Armenian_Yerevan + 76.9% Azeri" "8.045"
[15,] "77.5% Armenian_Yerevan + 22.5% Kalash" "8.0515"
[16,] "32.9% Makrani + 67.1% Turkish_Trabzon" "8.1087"
[17,] "79.7% Armenian_Yerevan + 20.3% Balochi" "8.1374"
[18,] "90.8% Azeri + 9.2% Georgian_Imereti" "8.1521"
[19,] "77% Armenian_Yerevan + 23% Pathan" "8.1526"
[20,] "48.1% Kurd + 51.9% Turk" "8.1575"

Dr_McNinja
09-01-2014, 09:09 PM
Testing "1d-7" right now.
What's the syntax to change it?

Agamemnon
09-01-2014, 09:11 PM
I'm getting even funnier results :)

11.37% Caucasian-Basal
0.30% Melano-Austronesian
1.73% Uralic
0.10% Ancestral_East_Siber
0.71% Ancestral_West_Siber
3.83% Ancestral_North_Indi
0.89% Ancestral_South_Indi
18.22% West_European_HG
1.28% Ancestral_Sami-Finni
0.11% South_East_Asian
0.27% Archaic_African
28.81% Ancestral_Mediterran
0.30% Circumpolar
0.27% Near-East-Basal
31.23% Ancestral_East_Europ
0.41% African_Sub_Saharian
0.15% Amerindian

[,1] [,2]
[1,] "Kosovar" "11.697"
[2,] "Occitan" "12.5864"
[3,] "Italian_Piedmont" "13.0038"
[4,] "Greek" "13.3172"
[5,] "Albanian" "13.5089"
[6,] "Romanian" "13.749"
[7,] "North_Italian" "14.2853"
[8,] "Macedonian" "14.5313"
[9,] "Gagauz" "14.6081"
[10,] "South_Greek" "15.0719"
[11,] "Bulgarian" "15.3651"
[12,] "Montenegrian" "15.6947"
[13,] "Toscani" "15.8807"
[14,] "Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha" "16.9017"
[15,] "Spanish_Extremadura" "17.2924"
[16,] "Central-Greek" "17.6298"
[17,] "Portugese" "17.8246"
[18,] "Serb_Serbia" "18.1339"
[19,] "Corsican" "18.3207"
[20,] "North_Greek" "18.3584"

[,1] [,2]
[1,] "61.9% Albanian + 38.1% N._European" "2.4334"
[2,] "63.8% Albanian + 36.2% Belgian" "2.7126"
[3,] "62.4% Albanian + 37.6% Icelandic" "2.9704"
[4,] "65.7% Albanian + 34.3% Welsh" "3.0006"
[5,] "67.1% Albanian + 32.9% CEU" "3.0676"
[6,] "55.3% Central-Greek + 44.7% N._European" "3.2028"
[7,] "67.6% Albanian + 32.4% Cornish" "3.2845"
[8,] "70.7% Albanian + 29.3% Orcadian" "3.4356"
[9,] "45.7% N._European + 54.3% North_Greek" "3.5571"
[10,] "69% Albanian + 31% Mixed_German" "3.5844"
[11,] "72.2% Albanian + 27.8% Norwegian" "3.6086"
[12,] "55.8% Central-Greek + 44.2% Icelandic" "3.6198"
[13,] "70% Albanian + 30% Scottish_Argyll" "3.6278"
[14,] "41.5% Cretan + 58.5% N._European" "3.6704"
[15,] "42.7% Belgian + 57.3% Central-Greek" "3.6889"
[16,] "67.5% Albanian + 32.5% British_Kent" "3.7834"
[17,] "61.1% Albanian + 38.9% South-German" "3.8158"
[18,] "52.5% Belgian + 47.5% Romanian_Jew" "3.8492"
[19,] "73% Albanian + 27% Swede" "3.9044"
[20,] "48.9% CEU + 51.1% Romanian_Jew" "3.9266"


So I weeded out the idiosyncratic results and here's what I ended up with:

[,1] [,2]
[1,] "48.1% Ashkenazy_Jew + 51.9% CEU" "4.7621"
[2,] "48.2% Ashkenazy_Jew + 51.8% British_Kent" "4.8671"
[3,] "53% CEU + 47% Cretan" "5.3319"
[4,] "48.5% Ashkenazy_Jew + 51.5% Cornish" "5.3825"
[5,] "58.4% CEU + 41.6% French_Jew" "5.6422"
[6,] "58.2% British_Kent + 41.8% French_Jew" "5.7395"
[7,] "52.6% Cornish + 47.4% Cretan" "5.918"
[8,] "54.4% Ashkenazy_Jew + 45.6% British" "6.0349"
[9,] "58% Cornish + 42% French_Jew" "6.4022"
[10,] "52.9% British_Kent + 47.1% Cretan" "6.4164"
[11,] "55.6% CEU + 44.4% Greek-Islands" "6.6505"
[12,] "52.1% British + 47.9% French_Jew" "7.0875"
[13,] "55.1% Cornish + 44.9% Greek-Islands" "7.4379"
[14,] "60% CEU + 40% Cypriot" "7.6087"
[15,] "55.5% British_Kent + 44.5% Greek-Islands" "7.9498"
[16,] "46.6% British + 53.4% Cretan" "8.0173"
[17,] "63.5% CEU + 36.5% Druze" "8.0382"
[18,] "59.7% Cornish + 40.3% Cypriot" "8.4833"
[19,] "52% Azov_Greek + 48% CEU" "8.7427"
[20,] "63.5% British_Kent + 36.5% Druze" "8.8021"

Which makes much more sense than the weird fits I had earlier on... Though I do find it odd that my British side would be proxied as "British_Kent" or "Cornish", which happens to be a terrible fit in almost every other calculator as my mother's pretty close to the Scottish cluster (yet I do get the expected amount of "Cypriot" and "Druze" with these fits, that's the troubling part lol).

EDIT: There's actually a margin of ~2% each time "Cornish", "CEU" or "British_Kent" come up, which means this should be substracted and added to the secondary population (makes sense since I end up as ~44% "French_Jew", which is pretty much in line with my usual "45% Sephardic" fit I get all the time).

MfA
09-01-2014, 09:11 PM
What's the syntax to change it?

Change the first line in K17.par file.

Vadim Verenich
09-01-2014, 09:29 PM
I'll remove Albanian and Icelandic populations, since they seem to cause the troubles.

Humanist
09-01-2014, 09:32 PM
I'll remove Albanian and Icelandic populations, since they seem to cause the troubles.

What is the problem with the Albanians?

Agamemnon
09-01-2014, 09:53 PM
What is the problem with the Albanians?

Have a look at my fits ;)

I think a more relevant question would be: What is the problem with Icelanders?

Vadim Verenich
09-01-2014, 10:09 PM
TOracle("Albanian", mixedmode=T)
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "Albanian" "0"
[2,] "75% Central-Greek + 25% Mixed-European-NearEasterner" "2.7589"
[3,] "82.6% Kosovar + 17.4% Turkish_Adana" "2.9011"
[4,] "89.5% Central-Greek + 10.5% Icelandic" "3.1681"
[5,] "88.1% Central-Greek + 11.9% French" "3.1748"
[6,] "89.4% Central-Greek + 10.6% N._European" "3.201"
[7,] "91.5% Central-Greek + 8.5% Scottish_Argyll" "3.2662"
[8,] "10% Belgian + 90% Central-Greek" "3.2954"
[9,] "84.1% Central-Greek + 15.9% Occitan" "3.304"
[10,] "90.5% Central-Greek + 9.5% Welsh" "3.3255"

Vadim Verenich
09-01-2014, 10:10 PM
TOracle("Icelandic", mixedmode=T)
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "Icelandic" "0"
[2,] "92.5% N._European + 7.5% Saami" "3.4521"
[3,] "93% Belgian + 7% Saami" "3.8498"
[4,] "9.5% Saami + 90.5% Welsh" "4.9641"
[5,] "26.8% Finn + 73.2% French" "5.0488"
[6,] "90.6% CEU + 9.4% Saami" "5.1488"
[7,] "87.3% Belgian + 12.7% Tatar" "5.3131"
[8,] "12.1% Finn + 87.9% N._European" "5.3787"
[9,] "89.5% Belgian + 10.5% Komi" "5.4493"
[10,] "9.2% Bashkir + 90.8% Belgian" "5.4617

Erik
09-01-2014, 10:22 PM
I'll remove Albanian and Icelandic populations, since they seem to cause the troubles.
Just wondering, what do Icelandics show up as on autosomal tests? My guesses in order of most probability are Scandinavian, British Isles, Finnish and Western European.

Dr_McNinja
09-01-2014, 11:16 PM
My results now:

11.49% Caucasian-Basal
0.70% Melano-Austronesian
1.50% Uralic
1.53% Ancestral_East_Siber
1.15% Ancestral_West_Siber
25.05% Ancestral_North_Indi
41.15% Ancestral_South_Indi
1.69% West_European_HG
1.01% Ancestral_Sami-Finni
1.19% South_East_Asian
0.12% Archaic_African
3.52% Ancestral_Mediterran
0.37% Circumpolar
0.12% Near-East-Basal
7.49% Ancestral_East_Europ
0.60% African_Sub_Saharian
1.32% Amerindian

Sapporo/HRP0341:

12.59% Caucasian-Basal
0.46% Melano-Austronesian
2.24% Uralic
1.26% Ancestral_East_Siber
1.09% Ancestral_West_Siber
30.01% Ancestral_North_Indi
33.82% Ancestral_South_Indi
1.89% West_European_HG
1.25% Ancestral_Sami-Finni
0.61% South_East_Asian
0.11% Archaic_African
4.92% Ancestral_Mediterran
0.35% Circumpolar
0.11% Near-East-Basal
7.70% Ancestral_East_Europ
0.28% African_Sub_Saharian
1.32% Amerindian

soulblighter (South Indian):

6.15% Caucasian-Basal
0.68% Melano-Austronesian
1.48% Uralic
0.97% Ancestral_East_Siber
0.85% Ancestral_West_Siber
26.63% Ancestral_North_Indi
52.08% Ancestral_South_Indi
0.89% West_European_HG
0.41% Ancestral_Sami-Finni
2.06% South_East_Asian
0.10% Archaic_African
3.13% Ancestral_Mediterran
0.27% Circumpolar
0.10% Near-East-Basal
2.90% Ancestral_East_Europ
0.77% African_Sub_Saharian
0.52% Amerindian

Previous K17 results for comparison: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuXBmvmgdkfVdFMtRHVlZDBuQ3lMcjhxMDE4V3JoY lE&usp=drive_web#gid=16

It seems to have shifted all the South Asians towards the Southeast by several percent.

Not sure I like the new one. My Oracle kept saying 50% South Indian, 50% Tajik or around then, which could represent a Punjabi but the previous one's Tiwari-centric results seemed to make more sense.With 1d-7:

Me:

12.37% Caucasian-Basal
0.00% Melano-Austronesian
0.38% Uralic
3.18% Ancestral_East_Siber
0.21% Ancestral_West_Siber
25.71% Ancestral_North_Indi
42.54% Ancestral_South_Indi
0.01% West_European_HG
0.19% Ancestral_Sami-Finni
0.01% South_East_Asian
0.00% Archaic_African
2.40% Ancestral_Mediterran
0.00% Circumpolar
0.00% Near-East-Basal
11.32% Ancestral_East_Europ
0.15% African_Sub_Saharian
1.53% Amerindian

Sapporo/HRP0341:

13.21% Caucasian-Basal
0.00% Melano-Austronesian
2.17% Uralic
1.93% Ancestral_East_Siber
0.08% Ancestral_West_Siber
30.25% Ancestral_North_Indi
34.97% Ancestral_South_Indi
0.00% West_European_HG
0.77% Ancestral_Sami-Finni
0.00% South_East_Asian
0.00% Archaic_African
4.44% Ancestral_Mediterran
0.00% Circumpolar
0.00% Near-East-Basal
10.59% Ancestral_East_Europ
0.00% African_Sub_Saharian
1.58% Amerindian

soulblighter:

6.38% Caucasian-Basal
0.00% Melano-Austronesian
1.61% Uralic
0.70% Ancestral_East_Siber
0.40% Ancestral_West_Siber
27.50% Ancestral_North_Indi
52.89% Ancestral_South_Indi
0.00% West_European_HG
0.00% Ancestral_Sami-Finni
2.91% South_East_Asian
0.00% Archaic_African
3.19% Ancestral_Mediterran
0.00% Circumpolar
0.00% Near-East-Basal
3.83% Ancestral_East_Europ
0.57% African_Sub_Saharian
0.01% Amerindian

EDIT: My Oracle:

[1,] "Tiwari" "7.5946"
[2,] "Pakistani" "9.3466"
[3,] "Vaish" "13.9716"
[4,] "Kshatriya" "14.0931"
[5,] "Burusho" "14.863"
[6,] "Brahmin_UP" "16.8826"
[7,] "TN_Brahmin" "16.8828"
[8,] "Pathan" "17.2043"
[9,] "AP_Brahmin" "18.1383"
[10,] "Sindhi" "18.2708"

[,1] [,2]
[1,] "77.4% Brahmin_UP + 22.6% Tabassaran" "3.2178"
[2,] "77.6% Brahmin_UP + 22.4% Lezgin" "3.4789"
[3,] "78.4% Brahmin_UP + 21.6% Lak" "3.4796"
[4,] "80.3% Kshatriya + 19.7% Nogais" "3.4968"
[5,] "21.8% Avar + 78.2% Brahmin_UP" "3.5271"
[6,] "79.1% Brahmin_UP + 20.9% Urkarah" "3.9995"
[7,] "80.8% Kshatriya + 19.2% Tabassaran" "4.0222"
[8,] "77.9% Brahmin_UP + 22.1% Stalskoe" "4.0259"
[9,] "78.4% Brahmin_UP + 21.6% Kumyk" "4.1025"
[10,] "18.5% Avar + 81.5% Kshatriya" "4.2352"

This Oracle's a lot better now.

bol_nat
09-01-2014, 11:23 PM
Pakistani Punjabi gujjar

MDLP Ancient Roots K18 4-Ancestors Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):


# Population Percent
1 South_Central_Asian 38.23
2 South_Indian 29.88
3 Caucasian 13.11
4 Volga-Uralic 5.00
5 North_West_European 3.61
6 Mediterranean 2.05
7 East_European 1.68
8 Sami-Finnic 1.53
9 South_East_Asian 1.40
10 West_Siberian 1.09


Finished reading population data. 468 populations found.
18 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Sindhi @ 7.984780
2 Pathan @ 8.220495
3 Burusho @ 8.846915
4 Pakistani @ 9.436183
5 Tiwari @ 11.898851
6 Kalash @ 16.238997
7 AP_Brahmin @ 18.791016
8 Kshatriya @ 19.209005
9 Vaish @ 19.422935
10 Mumbai_Jews @ 19.511253
11 Pashtun @ 19.723560
12 Brahmins_Tamil @ 20.292419
13 TN_Brahmin @ 21.033230
14 Brahmins_UP @ 21.887423
15 Meghawal @ 22.199175
16 Nepalese @ 22.910189
17 Tharus @ 26.272903
18 Uzbek @ 26.527319
19 Tadjik @ 26.627598
20 Marwadi-Middle-caste @ 26.635376

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Kalash +50% Kshatriya @ 4.855077


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Kalash +25% Meghawal +25% Tiwari @ 3.960526


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Kalash + Pashtun + Sindhi + Velama @ 3.064324
2 Kalash + Naidu + Pashtun + Sindhi @ 3.228591
3 Kalash + Pashtun + Sindhi + Velamas @ 3.391341
4 Kalash + Pashtun + Piramalai_Kallars + Sindhi @ 3.434320
5 Kalash + Kanjars + Pashtun + Sindhi @ 3.599109
6 Kalash + Pashtun + Sindhi + Vysya @ 3.677255
7 Kalash + Sindhi + Tiwari + Tiwari @ 3.689022
8 Gujarati + Kalash + Pashtun + Sindhi @ 3.717103
9 Kalash + Marwadi-Middle-caste + Pashtun + Sindhi @ 3.740491
10 Kalash + Pashtun + Scheduled_Caste_UP + Sindhi @ 3.751072
11 Kalash + Muslim + Pashtun + Sindhi @ 3.764776
12 Burusho + Kalash + Kshatriya + Sindhi @ 3.781697
13 Dusadh + Kalash + Pashtun + Sindhi @ 3.789087
14 Dharkars + Kalash + Pashtun + Sindhi @ 3.818786
15 Burusho + Kalash + Sindhi + Vaish @ 3.821945
16 Gujarati + Pashtun + Pathan + Sindhi @ 3.839051
17 Kalash + Naidu + Sindhi + Tadjik @ 3.845989
18 Kalash + Sindhi + Tadjik + Vysya @ 3.866893
19 Burusho + Kalash + Kalash + Velama @ 3.875523
20 Burusho + Kalash + Marwadi-Middle-caste + Pathan @ 3.889035

ZephyrousMandaru
09-01-2014, 11:49 PM
38.29% Caucasian-Basal
0.01% Melano-Austronesian
0.00% Uralic
0.00% Ancestral_East_Siber
0.00% Ancestral_West_Siber
12.26% Ancestral_North_Indi
1.03% Ancestral_South_Indi
4.49% West_European_HG
0.00% Ancestral_Sami-Finni
0.00% South_East_Asian
0.00% Archaic_African
42.00% Ancestral_Mediterran
0.00% Circumpolar
0.00% Near-East-Basal
0.25% Ancestral_East_Europ
1.67% African_Sub_Saharian
0.00% Amerindian

Population Sharing

[,1] [,2]
[1,] "Jew_Tat" "14.4658"
[2,] "Azeri" "17.6283"
[3,] "Kurd" "18.8708"
[4,] "Kurd_Jew" "19.813"
[5,] "Iran_Jew" "19.843"
[6,] "Cypriot" "20.2589"
[7,] "Iraqi_Jew" "20.5246"
[8,] "Greek-Islands" "21.5989"
[9,] "Iranian" "22.7349"
[10,] "Druze" "23.676"
[11,] "Georgian_Laz" "24.312"
[12,] "Cretan" "24.4034"
[13,] "Iraki" "24.588"
[14,] "Azov_Greek" "25.4753"
[15,] "Azeri_Dagestan" "27.0204"
[16,] "Italian_Jew" "29.7716"
[17,] "Cirkassian" "30.0089"
[18,] "Kumyk" "30.3649"
[19,] "Jordanian" "30.8108"
[20,] "Crimean_Tatar" "31.5615"

Mixed Mode

[,1] [,2]
[1,] "50.8% Druze + 49.2% Georgian_Laz" "10.5812"
[2,] "31% Georgian_Laz + 69% Jew_Tat" "10.595"
[3,] "61.6% Druze + 38.4% Georgian_Imereti" "11.0268"
[4,] "43.1% Georgian_Laz + 56.9% Kurd_Jew" "11.2489"
[5,] "61.7% Druze + 38.3% Georgian" "11.292"
[6,] "38.3% Abhkasian + 61.7% Druze" "11.3401"
[7,] "43% Georgian_Laz + 57% Iran_Jew" "11.4696"
[8,] "20.6% Georgian_Imereti + 79.4% Jew_Tat" "11.5941"
[9,] "41% Georgian_Laz + 59% Kurd" "11.6449"
[10,] "44.2% Georgian_Laz + 55.8% Iraqi_Jew" "11.699"
[11,] "19.9% Georgian + 80.1% Jew_Tat" "11.8725"
[12,] "58.7% Georgian_Laz + 41.3% Libyan_Jew" "12.0056"
[13,] "40.8% French_Jew + 59.2% Georgian_Laz" "12.0087"
[14,] "19.5% Abhkasian + 80.5% Jew_Tat" "12.0218"
[15,] "56.3% Georgian_Laz + 43.7% Italian_Jew" "12.0514"
[16,] "52% French_Jew + 48% Georgian_Imereti" "12.1713"
[17,] "41.6% Ashkenazy_Jew + 58.4% Georgian_Laz" "12.3563"
[18,] "56.7% Cypriot + 43.3% Georgian_Laz" "12.4884"
[19,] "62.7% Azeri + 37.3% Georgian_Laz" "12.5507"
[20,] "45% Georgian_Imereti + 55% Italian_Jew" "12.5771"


The Oracle is still producing some rather erroneous combinations

Dr_McNinja
09-01-2014, 11:58 PM
New calculator with 1d-7:

HRP0393, Haryana Jatt

11.98% Caucasian-Basal
0.00% Melano-Austronesian
2.65% Uralic
0.15% Ancestral_East_Siber
1.78% Ancestral_West_Siber
24.84% Ancestral_North_Indi
35.81% Ancestral_South_Indi
1.47% West_European_HG
0.00% Ancestral_Sami-Finni
0.00% South_East_Asian
0.00% Archaic_African
1.78% Ancestral_Mediterran
0.00% Circumpolar
0.00% Near-East-Basal
17.90% Ancestral_East_Europ
0.47% African_Sub_Saharian
1.17% Amerindian

(Still think it's weird how South Indians have higher North Indian/Gedrosian admixture than the Haryana Jatts or myself)

HRP0370 Afghan Pashtun Durrani/Kandahar

22.52% Caucasian-Basal
0.00% Melano-Austronesian
0.14% Uralic
2.77% Ancestral_East_Siber
2.01% Ancestral_West_Siber
25.41% Ancestral_North_Indi
17.80% Ancestral_South_Indi
0.10% West_European_HG
0.12% Ancestral_Sami-Finni
0.03% South_East_Asian
0.00% Archaic_African
12.84% Ancestral_Mediterran
0.00% Circumpolar
0.00% Near-East-Basal
15.59% Ancestral_East_Europ
0.58% African_Sub_Saharian
0.09% Amerindian

Tbh I like the first K17 calculator better. It was the first one to give me slightly more Gedrosian than HRP0393 or HRP0370.

shazou
09-02-2014, 06:16 AM
Filipino MDLP Ancient Roots K18 Results:



Mine:

Population
Caucasian 0.61%
Melano-Austronesian 2.53%
Volga-Uralic -
East_Siberian 1.45%
West_Siberian 0.34%
South_Central_Asian 0.54%
South_Indian 4.61%
North_West_European 0.23%
Sami-Finnic -
South_East_Asian 84.99%
Archaic_African 0.09%
Mediterranean 0.26%
Arctic 0.62%
Afroasiatic 1.15%
East_European 0.41%
Roma 0.71%
East_African 0.40%
Amerindian 1.07%



Single Population Sharing:


# Population (source) Distance
1 Karen 3.7
2 Khmer_Cambodian 5.35
3 Lawa 5.56
4 Paluang 5.69
5 Jinuo 5.69
6 Sunda 6.03
7 Plang 6.09
8 Wa 6.46
9 Dayak 7.03
10 Htin 7.03
11 Bidayuh 8
12 Burmese 8.39
13 Mentawai 8.95
14 Filipino 9.17
15 Vietnamese_north 9.35
16 Lahu 9.51
17 Vietnamese 9.62
18 Tai_Khuen 9.86
19 Kinh 9.87
20 Han 10.27

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 54.9% Tai_Yong + 45.1% Mon @ 1.99
2 90.6% Wa + 9.4% Uygur @ 2.11
3 91.2% Wa + 8.8% Uyghur @ 2.11
4 91.3% Wa + 8.7% Hazara @ 2.12
5 92% Wa + 8% Uzbeks @ 2.12
6 50.9% Batak-Toba + 49.1% Taiwanese @ 2.13
7 89.8% Htin + 10.2% Uygur @ 2.18
8 90.6% Htin + 9.4% Hazara @ 2.19
9 67.5% Wa + 32.5% Mon @ 2.2
10 56.8% Tai_Khuen + 43.2% Mon @ 2.2
11 92.4% Wa + 7.6% Turkmen @ 2.21
12 92.5% Wa + 7.5% Nepalese @ 2.23
13 91.3% Htin + 8.7% Uzbeks @ 2.23
14 90.5% Htin + 9.5% Uyghur @ 2.25
15 91.7% Htin + 8.3% Turkmen @ 2.25
16 93.7% Wa + 6.3% Mumbai_Jews @ 2.26
17 91.8% Plang + 8.2% Uyghur @ 2.26
18 91.9% Plang + 8.1% Hazara @ 2.26
19 90.7% Htin + 9.3% Karakalpak @ 2.27
20 51.9% Khmer_Cambodian + 48.1% Jinuo @ 2.27



Dad's(Ilocano):

Population
Caucasian -
Melano-Austronesian 2.95%
Volga-Uralic -
East_Siberian -
West_Siberian 1.63%
South_Central_Asian -
South_Indian 3.46%
North_West_European -
Sami-Finnic -
South_East_Asian 85.91%
Archaic_African 0.06%
Mediterranean 2.02%
Arctic 0.14%
Afroasiatic 0.68%
East_European 1.23%
Roma 1.07%
East_African 0.36%
Amerindian 0.49%

Single Population Sharing:


# Population (source) Distance
1 Karen 3.97
2 Lawa 5.05
3 Plang 5.49
4 Wa 5.77
5 Jinuo 6.1
6 Dayak 6.3
7 Sunda 6.33
8 Htin 6.34
9 Khmer_Cambodian 6.71
10 Bidayuh 6.91
11 Paluang 7.81
12 Mentawai 7.94
13 Filipino 7.99
14 Vietnamese_north 8.18
15 Vietnamese 8.73
16 Tai_Khuen 8.79
17 Lahu 8.97
18 Kinh 9.33
19 Tai_Yong 9.68
20 Burmese 10.62

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 94.4% Wa + 5.6% Greek @ 2.07
2 94.3% Wa + 5.7% Romanians @ 2.08
3 94.4% Wa + 5.6% South_Greek @ 2.11
4 94.4% Wa + 5.6% Kosovar @ 2.11
5 94.4% Wa + 5.6% North_Greek @ 2.12
6 94.4% Wa + 5.6% Gagauz @ 2.12
7 94.4% Wa + 5.6% Central-Greek @ 2.16
8 94.5% Wa + 5.5% Macedonian @ 2.17
9 94.4% Wa + 5.6% Bulgarians @ 2.17
10 94.5% Wa + 5.5% Serb_Serbia @ 2.19
11 94.5% Wa + 5.5% Romanian_Jews @ 2.2
12 94.5% Wa + 5.5% Ashkenazy_Jews @ 2.21
13 94.5% Wa + 5.5% Montenegrian @ 2.21
14 94.5% Wa + 5.5% Russian_South @ 2.22
15 94.6% Wa + 5.4% Cretan @ 2.28
16 93.9% Htin + 6.1% Greek @ 2.28
17 58.7% Vietnamese_north + 41.3% Batak-Toba @ 2.28
18 93.9% Htin + 6.1% North_Greek @ 2.29
19 93.9% Htin + 6.1% South_Greek @ 2.29
20 93.9% Htin + 6.1% Romanian_Jews @ 2.3



Mom's:

Population
Caucasian 0.48%
Melano-Austronesian 2.29%
Volga-Uralic -
East_Siberian 4.62%
West_Siberian -
South_Central_Asian 0.82%
South_Indian 5.97%
North_West_European 0.58%
Sami-Finnic -
South_East_Asian 82.01%
Archaic_African -
Mediterranean -
Arctic 0.39%
Afroasiatic 1.01%
East_European -
Roma -
East_African 0.53%
Amerindian 1.30%


Single Population Sharing:


# Population (source) Distance
1 Burmese 4.7
2 Paluang 5.47
3 Khmer_Cambodian 6.15
4 Karen 6.2
5 Sunda 7.71
6 Jinuo 8.17
7 Naxi 9.3
8 Yizu 9.43
9 Lawa 9.46
10 Proto-Malay 9.55
11 Batak-Toba 9.57
12 Dayak 10.04
13 Plang 10.07
14 Wa 10.34
15 Mon 10.4
16 Aonaga 10.6
17 Htin 10.9
18 North_Han 10.93
19 Naga 11.51
20 Han 11.56

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 66.5% Khmer_Cambodian + 33.5% Naga @ 2.39
2 74.5% Khmer_Cambodian + 25.5% Japanese @ 2.43
3 52.8% Mon + 47.2% Han @ 2.46
4 64.7% Khmer_Cambodian + 35.3% Aonaga @ 2.5
5 58.8% Burmese + 41.2% Karen @ 2.5
6 69.9% Han + 30.1% Batak @ 2.6
7 67.5% Khmer_Cambodian + 32.5% Nysha @ 2.66
8 78.2% Khmer_Cambodian + 21.8% Korean @ 2.67
9 53.6% Batak-Toba + 46.4% North_Han @ 2.68
10 53.6% Proto-Malay + 46.4% North_Han @ 2.69
11 50.3% Yizu + 49.7% Proto-Malay @ 2.69
12 61.7% Khmer_Cambodian + 38.3% Naxi @ 2.74
13 85.9% Han + 14.1% Onge @ 2.75
14 50.4% Yizu + 49.6% Batak-Toba @ 2.81
15 56.4% Mon + 43.6% Tujia @ 2.82
16 56.8% Mon + 43.2% Chinese @ 2.88
17 50.7% Naxi + 49.3% Proto-Malay @ 2.91
18 51.3% Mon + 48.7% North_Han @ 2.92
19 74% Khmer_Cambodian + 26% Tu @ 2.95
20 75.5% Khmer_Cambodian + 24.5% TTR_Tibetian @ 3.01

Vadim Verenich
09-02-2014, 08:25 AM
Ok, i'll start new project from scratch.
I'll need more participants with 23andme data, especially from Asia, West-Europe and Middle East

Generalissimo
09-02-2014, 09:01 AM
Ok, i'll start new project from scratch.
I'll need more participants with 23andme data, especially from Asia, West-Europe and Middle East

Vadim, if you get enough time, try this...

1) Set aside five of the most typical individuals from each of your reference populations.

2) Run your ADMIXTURE analysis with the remaining samples.

3) Use the allele frequencies from the ADMIXTURE run to test the individuals you set aside and produce population averages from their results only.

This should fix all the problems.

shazou
09-02-2014, 09:04 AM
What email do I send it to? I'll send mine, my dad's, and my mom's. I'm from Asia.

Vadim Verenich
09-02-2014, 09:30 AM
Vadim, if you get enough time, try this...

1) Set aside five of the most typical individuals from each of your reference populations.

2) Run your ADMIXTURE analysis with the remaining samples.

3) Use the allele frequencies from the ADMIXTURE run to test the individuals you set aside and produce population averages from their results only.

This should fix all the problems.

Sure, we'll do it after i'll get more 23andme samples.

Vadim Verenich
09-02-2014, 09:48 AM
Shazou, send it to vadimverenich at gmail.com
Please send either your own, or your mam's/dad's data, and include the description of ethnicity.

Dr_McNinja
09-02-2014, 10:41 AM
If anyone whose raw data I have is okay with me sending it to Vadim, let me know.

Also all Harappa project participants should mention their Harappa IDs.

evon
09-02-2014, 02:17 PM
This run seems not correct with regards to South East Asian for me and my Maternal Uncle, as iknow its a persistent component in all runs ive taken so far, and David has investigated it as a real component corresponding to China or there abouts via Central Asia..The South Asian components seem better fitting for my mothers Romani ancestry, but its there at low levels in my Paternal aunt too, so i think it must have a high noise threshold.

With regards to Oracle, Norway is not present, guess they have been removed? also it seems that Romani has been substituted for Jewish, which i found odd, but there were some Balkan matches that did fit better..Ive darkened the most fitting Oracle mixedmode matches based on what ive seen from other runs and from documented ancestry..

The lack of Portuguese in anyone else than me is weird, as its the most likely match with regards to our Med ancestry, which according to this run comes via my mother also, but which in other runs comes from my fathers side... :\

Dodecad V3 Regarding Med ancestry:

Mother:

# Population Percent
1 West_European 61.96
2 Mediterranean 21.16
3 East_European 11.75
4 West_Asian 3.24
5 South_Asian 1.33

Paternal Aunt:

# Population Percent
1 West_European 59.11
2 Mediterranean 21.14
3 East_European 12.30
4 West_Asian 6.44

Eurogenes EUTest Regarding Med ancestry:

Mother:

Population
SOUTH_BALTIC 15.14%
EAST_EURO 15.84%
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 27.09%
ATLANTIC 28.33%
WEST_MED 9.04%
EAST_MED -
WEST_ASIAN 3.83%
MIDDLE_EASTERN -
SOUTH_ASIAN 0.73%
EAST_AFRICAN -
EAST_ASIAN -
SIBERIAN -
WEST_AFRICAN -

Paternal Aunt:

Population
SOUTH_BALTIC 15.32%
EAST_EURO 13.02%
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 30.78%
ATLANTIC 25.73%
WEST_MED 10.70%
EAST_MED 0.27%
WEST_ASIAN 3.93%
MIDDLE_EASTERN -
SOUTH_ASIAN -
EAST_AFRICAN -
EAST_ASIAN -
SIBERIAN 0.27%
WEST_AFRICAN -

Will check my mothers FamilyFinder matches for any Med based cousins..

Moi:

4.08% Caucasian-Basal
0.47% Melano-Austronesian
1.57% Uralic
0.12% Ancestral_East_Siber
0.62% Ancestral_West_Siber
2.06% Ancestral_North_Indi
0.44% Ancestral_South_Indi
28.52% West_European_HG
2.99% Ancestral_Sami-Finni
0.14% South_East_Asian
0.14% Archaic_African
8.96% Ancestral_Mediterran
0.19% Circumpolar
0.14% Near-East-Basal
49.21% Ancestral_East_Europ
0.10% African_Sub_Saharian
0.24% Amerindian



[1,] "North_German" "6.293"
[2,] "Swede" "6.4359"
[3,] "Mixed_German" "6.9345"
[4,] "Mixed_European" "7.829"
[5,] "CEU" "8.4481"
[6,] "Belgian" "9.4126"
[7,] "Icelandic" "9.8348"
[8,] "British_Kent" "10.2577"
[9,] "South-German" "10.4088"
[10,] "Welsh" "10.4273"

[1,] "36.6% N._European + 63.4% Swede" "1.3673"
[2,] "24.3% French + 75.7% Swede" "1.7464"
[3,] "37.8% Mixed_CEU + 62.2% Scottish_Argyll" "1.8443"
[4,] "15.1% Portugese + 84.9% Swede" "1.8686"
[5,] "15.3% Spaniards + 84.7% Swede" "1.8821"
[6,] "14.8% Spanish_Valencia + 85.2% Swede" "1.9091"
[7,] "17.1% Occitan + 82.9% Swede" "1.9156"
[8,] "40% Belgian + 60% Swede" "1.9231"
[9,] "78.7% CEU + 21.3% Finn" "1.9302"
[10,] "78.7% Cornish + 21.3% Vepsa" "1.9307"



Mother:

4.10% Caucasian-Basal
0.50% Melano-Austronesian
1.96% Uralic
0.20% Ancestral_East_Siber
0.72% Ancestral_West_Siber
1.75% Ancestral_North_Indi
0.66% Ancestral_South_Indi
26.43% West_European_HG
3.60% Ancestral_Sami-Finni
0.13% South_East_Asian
0.09% Archaic_African
9.20% Ancestral_Mediterran
0.31% Circumpolar
0.09% Near-East-Basal
49.78% Ancestral_East_Europ
0.16% African_Sub_Saharian
0.31% Amerindian


[1,] "North_German" "5.4014"
[2,] "Mixed_European" "6.3058"
[3,] "Swede" "6.3377"
[4,] "Mixed_German" "8.4108"
[5,] "Icelandic" "9.8569"
[6,] "South-German" "9.8803"
[7,] "CEU" "10.295"
[8,] "Belgian" "10.4981"
[9,] "N._European" "11.7904"
[10,] "British_Kent" "12.0594"

[1,] "78.3% CEU + 21.7% Vepsa" "1.5751"
[2,] "74.6% Cornish + 25.4% Vepsa" "1.71"
[3,] "78.3% CEU + 21.7% Karelian" "1.7295"
[4,] "73.2% Cornish + 26.8% North-Russian" "1.7736"
[5,] "73.8% CEU + 26.2% Finn" "1.8835"
[6,] "77.2% CEU + 22.8% North-Russian" "2.052"
[7,] "74.6% Cornish + 25.4% Karelian" "2.0926"
[8,] "8.3% French_Jew + 91.7% Swede" "2.1045"
[9,] "8.5% Italian_Jew + 91.5% Swede" "2.1168"
[10,] "9.9% Romanian_Jew + 90.1% Swede" "2.1364"


Maternal Uncle:

4.61% Caucasian-Basal
0.54% Melano-Austronesian
1.18% Uralic
0.14% Ancestral_East_Siber
0.62% Ancestral_West_Siber
2.03% Ancestral_North_Indi
0.46% Ancestral_South_Indi
30.21% West_European_HG
4.28% Ancestral_Sami-Finni
0.16% South_East_Asian
0.11% Archaic_African
7.60% Ancestral_Mediterran
0.24% Circumpolar
0.11% Near-East-Basal
47.27% Ancestral_East_Europ
0.13% African_Sub_Saharian
0.31% Amerindian


[1,] "Mixed_German" "7.034"
[2,] "CEU" "7.3583"
[3,] "Swede" "7.7807"
[4,] "British_Kent" "8.6159"
[5,] "Scottish_Argyll" "8.9607"
[6,] "Orcadian" "9.1229"
[7,] "Cornish" "9.1689"
[8,] "Belgian" "9.2111"
[9,] "Icelandic" "9.2452"
[10,] "North_German" "9.3647"

[1,] "78.1% Cornish + 21.9% Finn" "2.0757"
[2,] "18.1% Karelian + 81.9% Orcadian" "2.1699"
[3,] "82.1% Orcadian + 17.9% Vepsa" "2.196"
[4,] "21.7% Finn + 78.3% Orcadian" "2.2262"
[5,] "82% Cornish + 18% Karelian" "2.5509"
[6,] "21.2% Finn + 78.8% Scottish_Argyll" "2.6524"
[7,] "18.5% North-Russian + 81.5% Orcadian" "2.6955"
[8,] "17.5% Karelian + 82.5% Scottish_Argyll" "2.7482"
[9,] "47.1% British_Kent + 52.9% Swede" "2.7902"
[10,] "79.6% British_Kent + 20.4% Finn" "2.8092"

Maternal Granny:

5.09% Caucasian-Basal
0.45% Melano-Austronesian
1.11% Uralic
0.17% Ancestral_East_Siber
0.73% Ancestral_West_Siber
2.38% Ancestral_North_Indi
0.72% Ancestral_South_Indi
26.84% West_European_HG
3.03% Ancestral_Sami-Finni
0.11% South_East_Asian
0.12% Archaic_African
8.47% Ancestral_Mediterran
0.53% Circumpolar
0.12% Near-East-Basal
49.50% Ancestral_East_Europ
0.20% African_Sub_Saharian
0.43% Amerindian


[1,] "North_German" "5.6486"
[2,] "Swede" "6.0886"
[3,] "Mixed_European" "6.8604"
[4,] "Mixed_German" "8.1419"
[5,] "CEU" "9.7663"
[6,] "Icelandic" "10.074"
[7,] "South-German" "10.1185"
[8,] "Belgian" "10.5183"
[9,] "British_Kent" "11.3637"
[10,] "Welsh" "11.6787"

[1,] "10.6% Italian_Abruzzo + 89.4% Swede" "1.6954"
[2,] "88.2% Swede + 11.8% Toscani" "1.8103"
[3,] "9.9% Sicilian + 90.1% Swede" "1.8704"
[4,] "8.4% Sephardic_Jew + 91.6% Swede" "1.9744"
[5,] "8.1% Morocco_Jew + 91.9% Swede" "2.0339"
[6,] "8.2% Italian_Jew + 91.8% Swede" "2.0404"
[7,] "7.8% Cypriot + 92.2% Swede" "2.0407"
[8,] "12.5% Italian_Piedmont + 87.5% Swede" "2.0433"
[9,] "12% Albanian + 88% Swede" "2.0483"
[10,] "8.2% Moroccan_Jew + 91.8% Swede" "2.0483"


Paternal Aunt:

5.41% Caucasian-Basal
0.25% Melano-Austronesian
1.17% Uralic
0.20% Ancestral_East_Siber
1.06% Ancestral_West_Siber
1.29% Ancestral_North_Indi
0.37% Ancestral_South_Indi
32.50% West_European_HG
1.59% Ancestral_Sami-Finni
0.10% South_East_Asian
0.22% Archaic_African
6.83% Ancestral_Mediterran
0.30% Circumpolar
0.22% Near-East-Basal
48.11% Ancestral_East_Europ
0.13% African_Sub_Saharian
0.25% Amerindian

[1,] "Mixed_German" "6.724"
[2,] "CEU" "6.7397"
[3,] "Orcadian" "7.2139"
[4,] "Scottish_Argyll" "7.2708"
[5,] "British_Kent" "7.8174"
[6,] "Cornish" "8.3571"
[7,] "Swede" "8.443"
[8,] "Welsh" "9.1993"
[9,] "British" "9.8968"
[10,] "North_German" "10.068"

[1,] "53.8% Scottish_Argyll + 46.2% Swede" "1.1804"
[2,] "69.1% British + 30.9% Mixed_CEU" "1.2751"
[3,] "14.1% Estonian + 85.9% Orcadian" "1.5355"
[4,] "69.2% British + 30.8% German" "1.6173"
[5,] "14.4% Center-Russian + 85.6% Orcadian" "1.646"
[6,] "13.5% Latvian + 86.5% Orcadian" "1.647"
[7,] "13% Lithuanian + 87% Orcadian" "1.6908"
[8,] "84.6% Orcadian + 15.4% Pole" "1.7606"
[9,] "50.4% British + 49.6% North_German" "1.7712"
[10,] "78.9% British + 21.1% Ukranian" "1.7802"

Dr_McNinja
09-02-2014, 03:28 PM
New K17 beta (1d-7) results for HRP0350 (Pakistani Punjabi Jatt):

12.25% Caucasian-Basal
0.61% Melano-Austronesian
2.28% Uralic
0.94% Ancestral_East_Siber
0.95% Ancestral_West_Siber
31.43% Ancestral_North_Indi
36.72% Ancestral_South_Indi
0.00% West_European_HG
0.00% Ancestral_Sami-Finni
0.81% South_East_Asian
0.00% Archaic_African
7.32% Ancestral_Mediterran
0.00% Circumpolar
0.00% Near-East-Basal
6.26% Ancestral_East_Europ
0.00% African_Sub_Saharian
0.42% Amerindian

[1,] "Pakistani" "7.7662"
[2,] "Tiwari" "9.9982"
[3,] "Sindhi" "10.1597"
[4,] "Burusho" "10.5061"
[5,] "Pathan" "10.7906"
[6,] "Mumbai_Jew" "14.8485"
[7,] "Kshatriya" "19.1908"
[8,] "Vaish" "19.338"
[9,] "AP_Brahmin" "19.5648"
[10,] "TN_Brahmin" "20.5397"

[1,] "12.8% Kurd + 87.2% Pakistani" "2.8104"
[2,] "13% Azeri + 87% Pakistani" "2.8317"
[3,] "89.2% Pakistani + 10.8% Turkish_Adana" "2.9985"
[4,] "13.9% Iranian + 86.1% Pakistani" "3.0307"
[5,] "11.1% Jew_Tat + 88.9% Pakistani" "3.185"
[6,] "11.5% Kurd_Jew + 88.5% Pakistani" "3.2408"
[7,] "88.2% Pakistani + 11.8% Uzbekistan_Jew" "3.257"
[8,] "11.3% Iran_Jew + 88.7% Pakistani" "3.2763"
[9,] "88.5% Pakistani + 11.5% Turk" "3.3113"
[10,] "89.1% Pakistani + 10.9% Turkish_Kayseri" "3.318"

Dr_McNinja
09-02-2014, 03:38 PM
K17 beta 1d-7 results for HRP0353 Punjabi Gujjar Muslim (from northwest Punjab, Pahari area)

14.50% Caucasian-Basal
0.00% Melano-Austronesian
1.48% Uralic
0.56% Ancestral_East_Siber
0.14% Ancestral_West_Siber
35.66% Ancestral_North_Indi
36.05% Ancestral_South_Indi
0.07% West_European_HG
0.01% Ancestral_Sami-Finni
0.49% South_East_Asian
0.00% Archaic_African
4.60% Ancestral_Mediterran
0.00% Circumpolar
0.00% Near-East-Basal
6.44% Ancestral_East_Europ
0.00% African_Sub_Saharian
0.01% Amerindian

[1,] "Sindhi" "6.3127"
[2,] "Pakistani" "8.4356"
[3,] "Pathan" "8.6842"
[4,] "Burusho" "9.6217"
[5,] "Tiwari" "10.8534"
[6,] "Kalash" "18.3201"
[7,] "Mumbai_Jew" "19.4349"
[8,] "AP_Brahmin" "20.1021"
[9,] "Kshatriya" "20.6491"
[10,] "Vaish" "20.9925"

[1,] "26.9% Brahmin_Tamil + 73.1% Pathan" "3.1975"
[2,] "20.7% Gujarati + 79.3% Pathan" "3.2035"
[3,] "81.5% Pathan + 18.5% Velama" "3.3155"
[4,] "21.3% Marwadi-Middle-caste + 78.7% Pathan" "3.3191"
[5,] "24.5% Meghawal + 75.5% Pathan" "3.5197"
[6,] "50.9% Pakistani + 49.1% Pathan" "3.6415"
[7,] "28.5% AP_Brahmin + 71.5% Pathan" "3.6433"
[8,] "73.3% Pathan + 26.7% TN_Brahmin" "3.7061"
[9,] "16.6% Naidu + 83.4% Pathan" "3.7461"
[10,] "83.7% Pathan + 16.3% Piramalai_Kallar" "3.7821"

Dr_McNinja
09-02-2014, 03:39 PM
The difference in Oracle results for HRP0350 and HRP0353 are interesting

Vadim Verenich
09-02-2014, 03:42 PM
I would love to receive the genotypes of Assyrians, more Kurds and Iraqi Mandeans

Ignis90
09-02-2014, 04:17 PM
What email do I send it to? I'll send mine, my dad's, and my mom's. I'm from Asia.

Only send one. People who are related, even more distantly, tend to create their own component. We don't want a shazou component!


If anyone whose raw data I have is okay with me sending it to Vadim, let me know.

Also all Harappa project participants should mention their Harappa IDs.

You can send mine, I am the only North African you have if I'm not wrong.

Information for Vadim: I'm Berber from Tunisia.

bol_nat
09-02-2014, 04:47 PM
K17 beta 1d-7 results for HRP0353 Punjabi Gujjar Muslim (from northwest Punjab, Pahari area)

14.50% Caucasian-Basal
0.00% Melano-Austronesian
1.48% Uralic
0.56% Ancestral_East_Siber
0.14% Ancestral_West_Siber
35.66% Ancestral_North_Indi
36.05% Ancestral_South_Indi
0.07% West_European_HG
0.01% Ancestral_Sami-Finni
0.49% South_East_Asian
0.00% Archaic_African
4.60% Ancestral_Mediterran
0.00% Circumpolar
0.00% Near-East-Basal
6.44% Ancestral_East_Europ
0.00% African_Sub_Saharian
0.01% Amerindian

[1,] "Sindhi" "6.3127"
[2,] "Pakistani" "8.4356"
[3,] "Pathan" "8.6842"
[4,] "Burusho" "9.6217"
[5,] "Tiwari" "10.8534"
[6,] "Kalash" "18.3201"
[7,] "Mumbai_Jew" "19.4349"
[8,] "AP_Brahmin" "20.1021"
[9,] "Kshatriya" "20.6491"
[10,] "Vaish" "20.9925"

[1,] "26.9% Brahmin_Tamil + 73.1% Pathan" "3.1975"
[2,] "20.7% Gujarati + 79.3% Pathan" "3.2035"
[3,] "81.5% Pathan + 18.5% Velama" "3.3155"
[4,] "21.3% Marwadi-Middle-caste + 78.7% Pathan" "3.3191"
[5,] "24.5% Meghawal + 75.5% Pathan" "3.5197"
[6,] "50.9% Pakistani + 49.1% Pathan" "3.6415"
[7,] "28.5% AP_Brahmin + 71.5% Pathan" "3.6433"
[8,] "73.3% Pathan + 26.7% TN_Brahmin" "3.7061"
[9,] "16.6% Naidu + 83.4% Pathan" "3.7461"
[10,] "83.7% Pathan + 16.3% Piramalai_Kallar" "3.7821"

He is from Gujrat. Pahari areas is Azad Kashmir. Thanks for results :biggrin1:

Dr_McNinja
09-02-2014, 04:50 PM
Only send one. People who are related, even more distantly, tend to create their own component. We don't want a shazou component!



You can send mine, I am the only North African you have if I'm not wrong.

Information for Vadim: I'm Berber from Tunisia.K, forwarded

Dr_McNinja
09-02-2014, 04:53 PM
He is from Gujrat. Pahari areas is Azad Kashmir.Genetically the Punjabis from Gujrat/Jhelum etc have a similar admixture profile to Pahari-area folks (who speak Western Punjabi dialects) so I'm counting Northwestern Punjab with the Pahari area. They are bordering regions after all. HRP0283 (also Jatt Muslim) is from Jammu/Potohar areas for example and he, you, HRP0353, and my brother-in-law from Gujrat (HRP0402) all have a similar pattern, distinct from Hindu Jatts from Haryana or Sikh Jatts.

Dr_McNinja
09-02-2014, 05:01 PM
Some more assorted South Asian K17 beta 1d-7 results:

HRP0402 Punjabi Jatt Muslim (Gujrat, northwest of Punjab, compare with HRP0350/HRP0353):

14.41% Caucasian-Basal
0.01% Melano-Austronesian
1.03% Uralic
0.94% Ancestral_East_Siber
1.69% Ancestral_West_Siber
30.52% Ancestral_North_Indi
36.68% Ancestral_South_Indi
0.87% West_European_HG
0.00% Ancestral_Sami-Finni
0.00% South_East_Asian
0.00% Archaic_African
5.10% Ancestral_Mediterran
0.03% Circumpolar
0.00% Near-East-Basal
7.92% Ancestral_East_Europ
0.18% African_Sub_Saharian
0.62% Amerindian

[1,] "Pakistani" "7.8742"
[2,] "Tiwari" "9.0893"
[3,] "Pathan" "9.448"
[4,] "Burusho" "9.6636"
[5,] "Sindhi" "11.272"
[6,] "Mumbai_Jew" "16.9102"
[7,] "Vaish" "19.2294"
[8,] "Kshatriya" "19.2989"
[9,] "AP_Brahmin" "20.5239"
[10,] "Kalash" "20.568"

[1,] "12.1% Irula + 87.9% Pathan" "1.8381"
[2,] "88.5% Pathan + 11.5% Pulliyar" "1.8555"
[3,] "14.6% Chenchu + 85.4% Pathan" "1.8663"
[4,] "13.1% Azeri_Dagestan + 86.9% Pakistani" "1.883"
[5,] "14.8% Kurumba + 85.2% Pathan" "1.9543"
[6,] "14.1% Mala + 85.9% Pathan" "1.9611"
[7,] "14.2% Hallaki + 85.8% Pathan" "1.9721"
[8,] "14.6% Madiga + 85.4% Pathan" "1.992"
[9,] "12% Kumyk + 88% Pakistani" "2.0174"
[10,] "12.4% Malayan + 87.6% Pathan" "2.0433"

HRP0374 (my mother, compare with my results on Page 35)

12.05% Caucasian-Basal
0.00% Melano-Austronesian
0.18% Uralic
1.59% Ancestral_East_Siber
0.08% Ancestral_West_Siber
28.24% Ancestral_North_Indi
40.63% Ancestral_South_Indi
0.00% West_European_HG
0.00% Ancestral_Sami-Finni
0.02% South_East_Asian
0.00% Archaic_African
3.80% Ancestral_Mediterran
0.00% Circumpolar
0.00% Near-East-Basal
11.19% Ancestral_East_Europ
0.00% African_Sub_Saharian
2.21% Amerindian

[1,] "Tiwari" "6.8223"
[2,] "Pakistani" "7.3077"
[3,] "Burusho" "13.0937"
[4,] "Pathan" "14.309"
[5,] "Sindhi" "15.1096"
[6,] "Kshatriya" "15.1515"
[7,] "Vaish" "15.1857"
[8,] "Mumbai_Jew" "17.5836"
[9,] "TN_Brahmin" "17.6703"
[10,] "AP_Brahmin" "17.8255"

[1,] "8.6% Russian_South + 91.4% Tiwari" "3.1268"
[2,] "70% Kshatriya + 30% Tajik" "3.1431"
[3,] "8.1% Serb_BH + 91.9% Tiwari" "3.203"
[4,] "8.4% Serb_Serbia + 91.6% Tiwari" "3.2035"
[5,] "8.2% Bosnian + 91.8% Tiwari" "3.2194"
[6,] "8.6% Bulgarian + 91.4% Tiwari" "3.2388"
[7,] "8.5% Montenegrian + 91.5% Tiwari" "3.2609"
[8,] "8.5% Macedonian + 91.5% Tiwari" "3.2613"
[9,] "9.5% Romanian + 90.5% Tiwari" "3.2655"
[10,] "8.1% Croat_BH + 91.9% Tiwari" "3.2669"

My father:

11.52% Caucasian-Basal
0.02% Melano-Austronesian
0.00% Uralic
1.19% Ancestral_East_Siber
3.25% Ancestral_West_Siber
25.79% Ancestral_North_Indi
42.84% Ancestral_South_Indi
0.27% West_European_HG
0.56% Ancestral_Sami-Finni
0.06% South_East_Asian
0.00% Archaic_African
3.56% Ancestral_Mediterran
0.00% Circumpolar
0.00% Near-East-Basal
9.86% Ancestral_East_Europ
0.00% African_Sub_Saharian
1.09% Amerindian

[1,] "Tiwari" "7.1328"
[2,] "Pakistani" "8.1126"
[3,] "Vaish" "13.0331"
[4,] "Kshatriya" "13.4296"
[5,] "Burusho" "15.5048"
[6,] "TN_Brahmin" "15.8275"
[7,] "Brahmin_UP" "16.0684"
[8,] "Mumbai_Jew" "16.8669"
[9,] "AP_Brahmin" "17.194"
[10,] "Brahmin_Tamil" "17.4825"

[1,] "21.9% Azeri_Dagestan + 78.1% Brahmin_UP" "2.7465"
[2,] "78.6% Brahmin_UP + 21.4% Lezgin" "2.8989"
[3,] "78.6% Brahmin_UP + 21.4% Tabassaran" "3.3199"
[4,] "20.8% Avar + 79.2% Brahmin_UP" "3.3735"
[5,] "79.3% Brahmin_UP + 20.7% Kumyk" "3.404"
[6,] "78.8% Brahmin_UP + 21.2% Stalskoe" "3.4397"
[7,] "79.5% Brahmin_UP + 20.5% Lak" "3.5087"
[8,] "19.6% Mixed_East_European + 80.4% TN_Brahmin" "3.8461"
[9,] "80% Brahmin_UP + 20% Cirkassian" "3.8638"
[10,] "78.8% Pathan + 21.2% Pulliyar" "3.892"

My grandmother (mother's mother):

13.32% Caucasian-Basal
0.00% Melano-Austronesian
1.47% Uralic
0.63% Ancestral_East_Siber
0.42% Ancestral_West_Siber
28.01% Ancestral_North_Indi
39.17% Ancestral_South_Indi
0.01% West_European_HG
0.00% Ancestral_Sami-Finni
1.33% South_East_Asian
0.17% Archaic_African
3.94% Ancestral_Mediterran
0.00% Circumpolar
0.17% Near-East-Basal
10.13% Ancestral_East_Europ
0.02% African_Sub_Saharian
1.20% Amerindian

[1,] "Tiwari" "7.2864"
[2,] "Pakistani" "7.5812"
[3,] "Burusho" "11.3397"
[4,] "Pathan" "12.8255"
[5,] "Sindhi" "14.457"
[6,] "Vaish" "16.6006"
[7,] "Kshatriya" "16.7027"
[8,] "Mumbai_Jew" "17.1583"
[9,] "Nepalese" "18.7738"
[10,] "TN_Brahmin" "19.0409"

[1,] "16.8% Paniya + 83.2% Pathan" "2.3292"
[2,] "17% Malayan + 83% Pathan" "2.4076"
[3,] "19.9% Chenchu + 80.1% Pathan" "2.5566"
[4,] "11.1% Crimean_Tatar + 88.9% Tiwari" "2.5935"
[5,] "46.1% Dharkars + 53.9% Pashtun" "2.6428"
[6,] "84.4% Pathan + 15.6% Pulliyar" "2.6697"
[7,] "49.9% Pashtun + 50.1% Srivastava" "2.7349"
[8,] "10% Mixed_East_European + 90% Tiwari" "2.7648"
[9,] "16.4% Irula + 83.6% Pathan" "2.7803"
[10,] "66.7% Kshatriya + 33.3% Tajik" "2.8767"

HRP0282 - Sein (Pashtun Pakistan)

19.54% Caucasian-Basal
0.07% Melano-Austronesian
2.43% Uralic
1.76% Ancestral_East_Siber
1.60% Ancestral_West_Siber
28.21% Ancestral_North_Indi
26.61% Ancestral_South_Indi
0.00% West_European_HG
0.04% Ancestral_Sami-Finni
1.50% South_East_Asian
0.00% Archaic_African
7.97% Ancestral_Mediterran
0.00% Circumpolar
0.00% Near-East-Basal
8.16% Ancestral_East_Europ
0.00% African_Sub_Saharian
2.11% Amerindian

[1,] "Pathan" "8.7316"
[2,] "Pashtun" "11.4035"
[3,] "Burusho" "11.7756"
[4,] "Kalash" "16.5568"
[5,] "Sindhi" "18.012"
[6,] "Tadik" "19.4047"
[7,] "Pakistani" "19.7698"
[8,] "Tajik" "19.9757"
[9,] "Tiwari" "20.5091"
[10,] "Mumbai_Jew" "22.0536"

[1,] "33.1% Mumbai_Jew + 66.9% Pashtun" "3.7384"
[2,] "86.1% Pathan + 13.9% Turkish_Adana" "3.7541"
[3,] "26.9% Cirkassian + 73.1% Sindhi" "4.2165"
[4,] "88.6% Pathan + 11.4% Turkish_Trabzon" "4.2305"
[5,] "32.9% Azeri_Dagestan + 67.1% Pakistani" "4.3923"
[6,] "15.5% Bhil + 84.5% Pashtun" "4.4842"
[7,] "86% Pashtun + 14% TN_Dalit" "4.511"
[8,] "14.4% AP_Mala + 85.6% Pashtun" "4.5206"
[9,] "15.2% Chamar + 84.8% Pashtun" "4.5252"
[10,] "13.7% Hallaki + 86.3% Pashtun" "4.5258"

1/2 Afghan Panjsheri Tajik, 1/2 Afghan Wardak Pashtun (only 89% genotyping rate)

24.65% Caucasian-Basal
0.01% Melano-Austronesian
1.18% Uralic
2.52% Ancestral_East_Siber
0.20% Ancestral_West_Siber
26.27% Ancestral_North_Indi
17.99% Ancestral_South_Indi
0.00% West_European_HG
0.20% Ancestral_Sami-Finni
1.50% South_East_Asian
0.00% Archaic_African
9.02% Ancestral_Mediterran
0.00% Circumpolar
0.00% Near-East-Basal
13.84% Ancestral_East_Europ
0.13% African_Sub_Saharian
2.48% Amerindian

[1,] "Pashtun" "6.5772"
[2,] "Tajik" "10.6741"
[3,] "Tadik" "10.8128"
[4,] "Pathan" "17.0166"
[5,] "Kalash" "18.802"
[6,] "Burusho" "21.1778"
[7,] "Uzbek" "21.8423"
[8,] "Turkmen" "23.8179"
[9,] "Sindhi" "27.8359"
[10,] "Azeri_Dagestan" "29.8735"

[1,] "86.1% Pashtun + 13.9% Roma_Slovenian" "3.8331"
[2,] "86.2% Pashtun + 13.8% Roma" "3.9231"
[3,] "86.9% Pashtun + 13.1% Roma_BH" "4.0422"
[4,] "86.4% Pashtun + 13.6% Roma_Bulgarian" "4.1402"
[5,] "87% Pashtun + 13% Roma_Macedonian" "4.2183"
[6,] "11.3% Azov_Greek + 88.7% Pashtun" "4.3209"
[7,] "12.1% Crimean_Tatar + 87.9% Pashtun" "4.3405"
[8,] "31.9% Kumyk + 68.1% Pathan" "4.3831"
[9,] "11% Cirkassian + 89% Pashtun" "4.5283"
[10,] "91.9% Pashtun + 8.1% Turkish_Trabzon" "4.5448"

HRP0315 (Nepal Brahmin) Everest

10.45% Caucasian-Basal
0.16% Melano-Austronesian
1.06% Uralic
1.51% Ancestral_East_Siber
1.78% Ancestral_West_Siber
26.81% Ancestral_North_Indi
37.95% Ancestral_South_Indi
0.31% West_European_HG
0.18% Ancestral_Sami-Finni
5.07% South_East_Asian
0.00% Archaic_African
1.83% Ancestral_Mediterran
0.00% Circumpolar
0.00% Near-East-Basal
11.52% Ancestral_East_Europ
0.00% African_Sub_Saharian
1.38% Amerindian

[1,] "Tiwari" "10.0427"
[2,] "Pakistani" "10.1747"
[3,] "Burusho" "10.8426"
[4,] "Nepalese" "14.1953"
[5,] "Pathan" "14.6764"
[6,] "Sindhi" "16.6178"
[7,] "Vaish" "17.3941"
[8,] "Kshatriya" "17.8248"
[9,] "AP_Brahmin" "19.7766"
[10,] "Mumbai_Jew" "19.9651"

[1,] "14.7% Tatar_Lithuanian + 85.3% Tiwari" "3.7158"
[2,] "56.2% Srivastava + 43.8% Tadik" "4.2231"
[3,] "61.3% Brahmin_UP + 38.7% Tadik" "4.3648"
[4,] "52.1% Dharkars + 47.9% Tadik" "4.3952"
[5,] "62.4% Brahmin_UP + 37.6% Tajik" "4.5117"
[6,] "49.6% Kanjar + 50.4% Tadik" "4.726"
[7,] "85.8% Pakistani + 14.2% Tatar_Lithuanian" "4.7789"
[8,] "83.8% Tiwari + 16.2% Uygur" "4.899"
[9,] "57.3% Srivastava + 42.7% Tajik" "4.9059"
[10,] "35% Tadik + 65% Vaish" "4.9492"

(I've added the South Asian K17 beta 1d-7 results to here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuXBmvmgdkfVdFMtRHVlZDBuQ3lMcjhxMDE4V3JoY lE&usp=drive_web#gid=17 )

Dimanto
09-02-2014, 05:29 PM
I can provide you with at least 2 native North-Dutch if you like, one of them being my mum.


Ok, i'll start new project from scratch.
I'll need more participants with 23andme data, especially from Asia, West-Europe and Middle East

Vadim Verenich
09-02-2014, 05:33 PM
I can provide you with at least 2 native North-Dutch if you like, one of them being my mum.

Yes, please send them to me. We need as many Dutchmen as possible

bol_nat
09-02-2014, 05:40 PM
Genetically the Punjabis from Gujrat/Jhelum etc have a similar admixture profile to Pahari-area folks (who speak Western Punjabi dialects) so I'm counting Northwestern Punjab with the Pahari area. They are bordering regions after all. HRP0283 (also Jatt Muslim) is from Jammu/Potohar areas for example and he, you, HRP0353, and my brother-in-law from Gujrat (HRP0402) all have a similar pattern, distinct from Hindu Jatts from Haryana or Sikh Jatts.

But people will confuse it with pahari dialect of punjabi spoken in Azad Kashmir area. We are speakers of majha dialect, simply called just punjabi.

Hok
09-02-2014, 05:50 PM
Yes, please send them to me. We need as many Dutchmen as possible


I as a Dutchman can send my data too if you want. How can i send it to you?

Dr_McNinja
09-02-2014, 06:04 PM
But people will confuse it with pahari dialect of punjabi spoken in Azad Kashmir area. We are speakers of majha dialect, simply called just punjabi.I don't think confusion is an issue here, we're looking into genetic history, not linguistic history. The languages aren't as relevant here. The Majhi dialect was spread far to the west in recent times (especially by the Sikh Empire). So language has changed in the region recently. Ancestrally, Western Punjabi dialects are probably older and more related to ancestral languages spoken by Jatts (the hypothetical "Jatki" language). Plus many people from the mountainous areas have moved southeast and adopted Majhi Punjabi or other tongues like Urdu, but their genetic ancestry hasn't changed that quickly yet. Right now it looks like there's a common recent genetic history between many of the Jatts in northwestern Punjab and the Jatts of the mountainous areas. It's more likely that the origin is from the mountainous areas for such people (less likely for people to have moved from east to west, unlike language).

Of course among other Punjabis, Pakistanis, etc we will identify ourselves by our city, tribe, language, etc but that's not the case here where we're looking into origins from more than several centuries back.

For example, going by my family's results, it seems to indicate an origin near Eastern or Southeastern Punjab and Haryana or Western Uttar Pradesh within the past few centuries (although it's uncertain because it might be the software confusing us, won't know until we find more people like us). But we've been living in Punjab no far east than Hoshiarpur for centuries speaking Majhi Punjabi, same as everyone else. Genetically though, there's a very noticeable difference between you and me, for example (within the subset of Punjabis that is, relative to people from far away regions we're still pretty similar).

bol_nat
09-02-2014, 06:11 PM
I don't think confusion is an issue here, we're looking into genetic history, not linguistic history. The languages aren't as relevant here. The Majhi dialect was spread far to the west in recent times (especially by the Sikh Empire). So language has changed in the region recently. Ancestrally, Western Punjabi dialects are probably older and more related to ancestral languages spoken by Jatts (the hypothetical "Jatki" language). Plus many people from the mountainous areas have moved southeast and adopted Majhi Punjabi or other tongues like Urdu, but their genetic ancestry hasn't changed that quickly yet. Right now it looks like there's a common recent genetic history between many of the Jatts in northwestern Punjab and the Jatts of the mountainous areas. It's more likely that the origin is from the mountainous areas for such people (less likely for people to have moved from east to west, unlike language).

Of course among other Punjabis, Pakistanis, etc we will identify ourselves by our city, tribe, language, etc but that's not the case here where we're looking into origins from more than several centuries back.

For example, going by my family's results, it seems to indicate an origin near Eastern or Southeastern Punjab and Haryana or Western Uttar Pradesh within the past few centuries (although it's uncertain because it might be the software confusing us, won't know until we find more people like us). But we've been living in Punjab no far east than Hoshiarpur for centuries speaking Majhi Punjabi, same as everyone else. Genetically though, there's a very noticeable difference between you and me, for example (within the subset of Punjabis that is, relative to people from far away regions we're still pretty similar).

Punjabi gujjar sample also seem little different then ours, what is the reason? Any theory on origin of punjabi gujjars?

Dr_McNinja
09-02-2014, 06:16 PM
Punjabi gujjar sample also seem little different then ours, what is the reason? Any theory on origin of punjabi gujjars?He's close enough in Harappa. The MDLP K17 is just a beta and sometimes people get freak results. My father's Gedrosian randomly dropped several points in Eurogenes K36 for example. There seems to specifically be an issue with Gedrosian (called "North Indian") in the K17, everyone's is low. And the South Indian is higher than the other calculators. HRP0353's is probably closer to what it should be.

The Gujjar origin is so long ago that we probably won't see too much of a significant difference from Jatts in their results. Our autosomal admixture is mostly defined by where we live and who we live next to over the course of thousands of years. Gujjars follow similar customs to Jatts plus they've intermarried enough to not be too distinguishable. The Y-DNA haplogroups might tell a better story. Jatts happen to be famously endogamous so their genetic profiles are a little more homogenous compared to other Punjabi groups. That's how we've been able to distinguish three clusters of Jatts at least, Haryanvi Hindu, Punjabi Sikh, and Punjabi/Pahari-origin Muslim. My family represents mixed ancestry from different types of Jatts or perhaps a general Central/Eastern Punjabi Jatt Muslim group from whom we haven't had samples yet.

Vadim Verenich
09-02-2014, 06:37 PM
I as a Dutchman can send my data too if you want. How can i send it to you?

Send it to my e-mail vadimverenich at gmail com. Dank u

Dr_McNinja
09-02-2014, 06:49 PM
Punjabi gujjar sample also seem little different then ours, what is the reason? Any theory on origin of punjabi gujjars?
I added you two to my DIYHarappa spreadsheet (different from Zack's run):

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuXBmvmgdkfVdFMtRHVlZDBuQ3lMcjhxMDE4V3JoY lE&usp=drive_web#gid=6

It's kind of freaky how close all the Pakistani/WesternPunjabi/Pahari Jatts are. His Gedrosian is 4% higher there too, but his Mediterranean/SW-Asian is equivalently lower and we know Gedrosian sometimes bleeds off into these categories, so I think it's still too close to say there's a difference except perhaps his Gedrosian-type admixture resembles Balochis/Pakistanis a bit better (which are used in the reference populations).

I sort the list by geography, using S-Indian and NE-Euro for Eastward pull and Gedrosian/Caucasus/Med/SW-Asian plus Arctic as Westward pull. You two wind up in the same spot almost exactly.

Vadim Verenich
09-02-2014, 07:27 PM
This is how the new compiled dataset is supposed to look in PCA space of genetic diversity

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6n7iMc2P-yQcVY2MVFOVGZ5Q1k/edit?usp=sharing

Dimanto
09-02-2014, 10:05 PM
Fixed............


Yes, please send them to me. We need as many Dutchmen as possible

Dimanto
09-02-2014, 10:06 PM
Waar uit Nederland kom jij vandaan als ik vragen mag :) ?


I as a Dutchman can send my data too if you want. How can i send it to you?

Sein
09-02-2014, 10:06 PM
This is how the new compiled dataset is supposed to look in PCA space of genetic diversity

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6n7iMc2P-yQcVY2MVFOVGZ5Q1k/edit?usp=sharing

Vadim,

On the PCA, I see "Tajik_Pomiri" samples. If possible, could you post calculator results for this population (whatever calculator you prefer, although the previous K17 was best)? I would greatly appreciate this. Thanks in advance.

Edit: I also see PJL ("Punjabi from Lahore"). Calculator results for this population would be great as well. Some are clustering with South Indians, which I think was expected (Lahori Punjabis are probably genetically more like North-Central Indians, rather than like northwestern Indians or South Central Asians).

bol_nat
09-02-2014, 11:40 PM
Vadim,

On the PCA, I see "Tajik_Pomiri" samples. If possible, could you post calculator results for this population (whatever calculator you prefer, although the previous K17 was best)? I would greatly appreciate this. Thanks in advance.

Edit: I also see PJL ("Punjabi from Lahore"). Calculator results for this population would be great as well. Some are clustering with South Indians, which I think was expected (Lahori Punjabis are probably genetically more like North-Central Indians, rather than like northwestern Indians or South Central Asians).

Lahori jatts, gujjars, butts, arain, syed, qureshi, sheikh, rajas etc are not different then other punjabis few KM away from them. So this was not expected at all, seem like all samples were taken from one comunity.

Sein
09-02-2014, 11:45 PM
Lahori jatts, gujjars, butts, arain, syed, qureshi, sheikh, rajas etc are not different then other punjabis few KM away from them. So this was not expected at all, seem like all samples were taken from one comunity.

They collected samples from across Lahore (the 1000 Genomes Project). This was expected, because Lazaridis et al. show results for these Punjabi samples, and they resemble North-Central Indians (they are much more genetically peninsular South Asian in comparison to the HGDP Sindhis). Someone who knows more about the demographics of Lahore might be able to explain why this is the case. Personally, I don't know why some Pakistani Punjabis are more similar to North Indians, rather than to Sindhis or Punjabi Sikhs.

Dr_McNinja
09-03-2014, 03:12 AM
They collected samples from across Lahore (the 1000 Genomes Project). This was expected, because Lazaridis et al. show results for these Punjabi samples, and they resemble North-Central Indians (they are much more genetically peninsular South Asian in comparison to the HGDP Sindhis). Someone who knows more about the demographics of Lahore might be able to explain why this is the case. Personally, I don't know why some Pakistani Punjabis are more similar to North Indians, rather than to Sindhis or Punjabi Sikhs.There seems to be more diversity in Punjab. I fit that bill too. Jatt Sikhs are a somewhat isolated community so they're not genetically representative of all Punjabis, especially Punjabi Muslims, which includes probably hundreds of millions of people from varying origins whereas Sindhis, Balochis, Pathans, etc share more common origins among them. And historically there's been lots of movement west and east across Punjab, moreso than Sindh which has had some episodes of "sharing" with Punjab, Balochistan, and historically with Gujarat, but Punjab was almost like a highway for people moving across the northern region. Until somewhat recently, populations didn't generally "stop" there. I think Jatts were one of the first to manage to do so but Jatts spread throughout north central India, and even pretty far east.

bored
09-03-2014, 03:24 AM
There seems to be more diversity in Punjab. I fit that bill too. Jatt Sikhs are a somewhat isolated community so they're not genetically representative of all Punjabis, especially Punjabi Muslims, which includes probably hundreds of millions of people from varying origins. And historically there's been lots of movement west and east across Punjab, moreso than Sindh which has had some episodes of "sharing" with Punjab, Balochistan, and historically with Gujarat, but Punjab was almost like a highway for people moving across the northern region. Until somewhat recently, populations didn't generally "stop" there. I think Jatts were one of the first to manage to do so but Jatts spread throughout north central India, and even pretty far east.

Sikh Jatts have also been more endogamous than Punjabi Muslims historically, in all likelihood. In fact, Haryana and Rajasthan Jatts have been even more endogamous than Sikh Jatts it seems like to me.

Dr_McNinja
09-03-2014, 04:52 AM
Sikh Jatts have also been more endogamous than Punjabi Muslims historically, in all likelihood. In fact, Haryana and Rajasthan Jatts have been even more endogamous than Sikh Jatts it seems like to me.I have heard the same actually. Hindu Jatts have historically traveled less and stayed within narrower geographic confines closer to their ancestral villages. Sikh Jatts have moved around a lot in the past 2 or 3 centuries (during the rise and fall of the Sikh Empire), and even more after partition.

bored
09-03-2014, 05:44 AM
I have heard the same actually. Hindu Jatts have historically traveled less and stayed within narrower geographic confines closer to their ancestral villages. Sikh Jatts have moved around a lot in the past 2 or 3 centuries (during the rise and fall of the Sikh Empire), and even more after partition.

It's also important to keep in mind some differences between each religion. Hinduism traditionally places greater stress on endogamy and marriage within one's caste. Hindu Jatts being more of a tribe than a caste, were able to stay hyper endogamous even when compared to other hindus, because their community is so small and not found in distant lands. Compare Jatts to Brahmins for instance. By hindu rules, nothing bars a Bengali Brahmin from marrying a Kashmiri Pandit since they are both of the same caste, but Jatts are only found in Haryana, Rajasthan, and Western UP (mostly). Since they share common origin, they were able to best preserve their autosomal makeup through hyper endogamy.
In contrast, Sikhism is less caste oriented. Despite this, most Sikhs (like >60%) happen to be Jatts. If a Sikh Jatt wanted to marry in his religion (which Sikhism encourages), odds are that he would easily be able to find a Sikh Jatt female. Of course, Jatts tend to stress endogamy for other non religious reasons anyway so we can see why Sikh Jatts stayed relatively endogamous but not more than Hindu Jats of Haryana, Rajasthan, etc.
Islam again does not care about caste. It is true that most Pakistani muslims still marry within their own biraderi due to other cultural reasons but the pressure is not as strong. Like you said, there are so many other tribes and peoples were migrating all over this area in antiquity so it seems likely that Punjabi muslims would have married out of their biraderi more often than both the Hindu Jatts and the Sikh Jatts.

bol_nat
09-03-2014, 12:52 PM
There seems to be more diversity in Punjab. I fit that bill too. Jatt Sikhs are a somewhat isolated community so they're not genetically representative of all Punjabis, especially Punjabi Muslims, which includes probably hundreds of millions of people from varying origins whereas Sindhis, Balochis, Pathans, etc share more common origins among them. And historically there's been lots of movement west and east across Punjab, moreso than Sindh which has had some episodes of "sharing" with Punjab, Balochistan, and historically with Gujarat, but Punjab was almost like a highway for people moving across the northern region. Until somewhat recently, populations didn't generally "stop" there. I think Jatts were one of the first to manage to do so but Jatts spread throughout north central India, and even pretty far east.

Lahore have big punjabi dalits and muhajir comunity. But enough punjabi jats, gujjars, butts, arain, syed, qureshi, khatris, abbasis, rajputs etc who should be similar to other pakistani punjabis on harappadna. We are not talking about 2-4% difference but seem like all of samples are closer to Indian tribals then any other punjabi people. 150 samples were collected from 50 families and all of them cluster with likes of Lodhi, Kamsali, Kurumba, vysya groups who have between 60-70% South Indain component on harappadna.

Edit: Maybe not all 150 of them because i only see 4-5 times Punjabi lahori on pdf. So can't say anything till we get raw data to use in admixture calculators.

StarDS9
09-03-2014, 02:55 PM
My K17 results

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FINAL ADMIXTURE PROPORTIONS:
----------------------------

30.35% Caucasian-Basal
24.97% Ancestral_North_Indi
20.83% Ancestral_Mediterran
7.06% Near-East-Basal
3.07% Ancestral_East_Europ
2.63% West_European_HG
2.32% Ancestral_South_Indi
2.01% Uralic
1.27% Ancestral_East_Siber
1.22% Ancestral_West_Siber
1.11% African_Sub_Saharian
1.01% Circumpolar
0.88% Amerindian
0.71% Ancestral_Sami-Finni
0.56% South_East_Asian

Dr_McNinja
09-03-2014, 03:51 PM
Lahore have big punjabi dalits and muhajir comunity. But enough punjabi jats, gujjars, butts, arain, syed, qureshi, khatris, abbasis, rajputs etc who should be similar to other pakistani punjabis on harappadna. We are not talking about 2-4% difference but seem like all of samples are closer to Indian tribals then any other punjabi people. 150 samples were collected from 50 families and all of them cluster with likes of Lodhi, Kamsali, Kurumba, vysya groups who have between 60-70% South Indain component on harappadna.

Edit: Maybe not all 150 of them because i only see 4-5 times Punjabi lahori on pdf. So can't say anything till we get raw data to use in admixture calculators.I'd expect the same thing if they took random samples from Amritsar or Chandigarh. All castes and people of immigrant origins would be represented.

BrindleScala1
09-03-2014, 04:03 PM
My mother is Jewish (Austria/UK/Russia and probably Spain somewhere along the way due to her maiden name but not necessarily.) My father's side of the family is not Jewish and our roots in America go back to the early and middle 1600s with some Native American history as well. The Europeans came from England, Scotland and the Netherlands. Later on this side of the family, French, Swiss, Bavarian ancestors came over also (1700s into mid 1800s) .. It's a real mix on Dad's side and probably even on Mom's although consistently Jewish. I am curious about the results of this test (MDLP K=7) in particular as it shows specific places in Great Britain in the Oracle results. We have some stories an definite names of people who came from these specific places (Wales, Argyll Scotland, Kent, England and London) and that is the part of the tree I am working on right now. Is this test saying that I am most 'like' others in the database who have the same makeup? Just curious (very!) :-) I am sort of new to this and using my Ancestry.com DNA raw data, I ran the MDLP K=7 test with Oracle 4 and got this:

Kit Num: A684132
Threshold of components set to 1.000
Threshold of method set to 0.25%
Personal data has been read. 20 approximations mode.
Gedmatch.Com
MDLP K=7 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: [email protected]
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Paleo_Mediterranean 36.83
2 Caucasian 28.64
3 West_Eurasian 26.78
4 Paleo_Scandinavian 3.28
5 Volga_Uralic 2.27
6 South_Central_Asian 1.55


Finished reading population data. 73 populations found.
7 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 KSV @ 7.348862
2 BLG @ 11.848345
3 RMN @ 12.350284
4 GGZ @ 13.566866
5 MCD @ 14.044633
6 MNT @ 15.137173
7 NITAL @ 15.545897
8 FRN @ 18.575806
9 GRK @ 20.143524
10 CITAL @ 20.148045
11 SRB @ 20.649899
12 CRS @ 21.643490
13 PRT @ 22.748749
14 SPN @ 24.033098
15 IBR @ 24.591774
16 ASHK @ 25.419790
17 SIC @ 26.607800
18 BSN @ 27.705879
19 GBRKN @ 27.763468
20 GBRCORN @ 27.904358

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% ASHK +50% CEU @ 2.118939


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% CITAL +25% RMN +25% NRW @ 1.125065


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 CPR + GBRARG + GBRORK + GRK @ 0.550891
2 ABH + BASQ + SLK + SPN @ 0.564720
3 ABH + BASQ + IBR + SLK @ 0.583322
4 ABH + BASQ + PRT + SLK @ 0.620805
5 CPR + GBRARG + GBRARG + GRK @ 0.748309
6 ADG + BASQ + GBRWAL + KSV @ 0.860464
7 ADG + BASQ + FRN + MCD @ 0.870876
8 CPR + GBRORK + GBRORK + GRK @ 0.902966
9 ARM + FRN + GER + IBR @ 0.944625
10 CPR + GBRARG + GBRKN + GRK @ 0.952285
11 ARM + FRN + GER + SPN @ 0.964200
12 GBRWAL + LZG + SRB + SRD @ 0.998508
13 ARM + CRS + GBRARG + GBRWAL @ 1.019115
14 ADG + FRN + SLK + SRD @ 1.021293
15 CPR + GBRARG + GBRWAL + GRK @ 1.049684
16 ARM + CEU + CRS + GBRARG @ 1.051951
17 ADG + CRT + GBRCORN + SRD @ 1.075712
18 GBRKN + LZG + SRB + SRD @ 1.085559
19 ADG + BASQ + CEU + KSV @ 1.101758
20 ARM + CEU + CRS + GBRORK @ 1.102143

OH! by the way, ancestry.com results are:

Europe 100%

European Jewish 48%
Great Britain 28%
Europe West 13%
Trace Regions @11%are:
Italy/Greece 3%
Scandinavia 3%
Ireland 2%
Finland/Northwest Russia 2%
Europe East 1%

Alanson
09-03-2014, 04:28 PM
Mine

Single Population Sharing:


# Population (source) Distance
1 Uzbekistani_Jews 7.64
2 Iraki 8.03
3 Jew_Tat 8.25
4 Kurd_Jew 8.28
5 Syrians 8.36
6 Iran_Jew 9.55
7 Uzbekistan_Jew 10.18
8 Azeri 10.63
9 Iraqi_Jews 10.75
10 Iranians 10.95
11 Turks 11.35
12 Kurds 11.66
13 Kurd 13.4
14 Jordanians 13.58
15 Syrian_Jew 15.08
16 Armenian_Yerevan 15.99
17 Palestinian 16.02
18 Cypriots 16.09
19 Turkish_Aydin 16.48
20 Druze 16.91

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 59.6% Iraki + 40.4% Turks @ 3.08
2 75.6% Syrians + 24.4% Azeri_Dagestan @ 3.36
3 58.8% Syrians + 41.2% Turks @ 3.57
4 69.8% Turks + 30.2% Yemenese @ 3.59
5 57.1% Syrians + 42.9% Azeri @ 3.72
6 60.3% Palestinian + 39.7% Azeri_Dagestan @ 3.94
7 61.1% Azeri + 38.9% Palestinian @ 3.95
8 81% Syrians + 19% Lezgins @ 3.95
9 78.4% Syrians + 21.6% Kumyks @ 4.01
10 80.5% Syrians + 19.5% Lezgin @ 4.03
11 83.6% Syrians + 16.4% Urkarah @ 4.06
12 82.6% Syrians + 17.4% Lak @ 4.08
13 71.1% Syrians + 28.9% Turkish_Kayseri @ 4.09
14 82.7% Syrians + 17.3% Avar @ 4.1
15 82.1% Syrians + 17.9% Tabassaran @ 4.16
16 72.3% Iraki + 27.7% Turkish_Kayseri @ 4.2
17 72% Iraki + 28% Azov_Greek @ 4.26
18 81.3% Iraki + 18.7% Cirkassian @ 4.33
19 83.7% Iraki + 16.3% Balkars @ 4.38
20 81.4% Iraki + 18.6% Turkish_Trabzon @ 4.45

NK19191
09-03-2014, 04:35 PM
My K17 results

----------------------------
FINAL ADMIXTURE PROPORTIONS:
----------------------------

32.65% Caucasian-Basal
0.21% Melano-Austronesian
3.79% Uralic
1.05% Ancestral_East_Siber
0.32% Ancestral_West_Siber
20.04% Ancestral_North_Indi
4.53% Ancestral_South_Indi
1.32% West_European_HG
0.47% Ancestral_Sami-Finni
1.57% South_East_Asian
0.00% Archaic_African
16.21% Ancestral_Mediterran
0.72% Circumpolar
10.42% Near-East-Basal
5.44% Ancestral_East_Europ
1.15% African_Sub_Saharian
0.10% Amerindian

[,1] [,2]
[1,] "Iranian" "7.8311"
[2,] "Kurds_North" "8.7787"
[3,] "Azeri" "9.6232"
[4,] "Kurds_East" "10.2196"
[5,] "Kurds_South" "11.3678"
[6,] "Kurd" "12.6319"
[7,] "Turk" "12.7926"
[8,] "Iranian Assyrian" "14.1201"
[9,] "Azeri_Dagestan" "14.2077"
[10,] "Uzbekistani_Jew" "14.5792"
[11,] "Assiryan" "14.7317"
[12,] "Turk_Kayseri" "16.2162"
[13,] "Iraqi_Mandean" "16.2183"
[14,] "Non-Iranian Assyrian" "16.3259"
[15,] "Jew_Tat" "16.984"
[16,] "Armenian_Yerevan" "18.8038"
[17,] "Kurd_Jew" "19.0018"
[18,] "Turkmens" "19.1582"
[19,] "Iran_Jew" "19.4309"
[20,] "Iraki" "19.4659"

DMXX
09-03-2014, 05:08 PM
My new K17 results.

----------------------------
FINAL ADMIXTURE PROPORTIONS:
----------------------------

29.42% Caucasian-Basal
0.63% Melano-Austronesian
0.00% Uralic
0.74% Ancestral_East_Siber
0.25% Ancestral_West_Siber
18.04% Ancestral_North_Indi
6.84% Ancestral_South_Indi
0.52% West_European_HG
0.00% Ancestral_Sami-Finni
1.83% South_East_Asian
0.04% Archaic_African
30.45% Ancestral_Mediterran
1.21% Circumpolar
0.04% Near-East-Basal
8.92% Ancestral_East_Europ
0.78% African_Sub_Saharian
0.28% Amerindian

[Edit]: Wait a minute; why do I have so little Near-East-Basal, especially compared to NK19191, who I'm usually very similar to?

MfA
09-03-2014, 05:22 PM
My new K17 results.

[Edit]: Wait a minute; why do I have so little Near-East-Basal, especially compared to NK19191, who I'm usually very similar to?

It's from different calculator, yours is the latest k17 beta while NK and StarDS9 tested using with old version.

NK19191
09-03-2014, 05:26 PM
It's from different calculator, yours is the latest k17 beta while NK and StarDS9 tested using with old version.

where do I get the latest version?

thanks

MfA
09-03-2014, 05:34 PM
where do I get the latest version?

thanks
here (http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?3026-MDLP-ancient-roots-!-!&p=50322&viewfull=1#post50322) :thumb:


These are mine noisy and robust versions if you guys want to compare

That's certainly quite low Near-East-Basal and sky high Ancestral_Mediterranean. Oracle looks off. I'm still not sure if it should be calculated so quickly?



32.98% Caucasian-Basal
0.41% Melano-Austronesian
1.14% Uralic
0.50% Ancestral_East_Siberian
0.52% Ancestral_West_Siberian
16.82% Ancestral_North_Indian
2.65% Ancestral_South_Indian
2.96% West_European_HG
0.55% Ancestral_Sami-Finnic
0.36% South_East_Asian
0.17% Archaic_African
32.90% Ancestral_Mediterranean
0.27% Circumpolar
0.17% Near-East-Basal
6.56% Ancestral_East_European
0.57% African_Sub_Saharian
0.46% Amerindian

[1,] "Azeri" "8.7166"
[2,] "Turk" "10.8912"
[3,] "Kurd" "11.6085"
[4,] "Turkish_Kayseri" "12.1054"
[5,] "Uzbekistan_Jew" "14.8096"
[6,] "Iranian" "15.0189"
[7,] "Jew_Tat" "15.4831"
[8,] "Armenian_Yerevan" "16.5555"
[9,] "Kurd_Jew" "17.7652"
[10,] "Turkish_Adana" "18.5898"
[11,] "Azeri_Dagestan" "18.6724"
[12,] "Iran_Jew" "18.8118"
[13,] "Azov_Greek" "20.0193"
[14,] "Iraki" "21.0601"
[15,] "Iraqi_Jew" "21.5143"
[16,] "Turkish_Aydin" "22.8495"
[17,] "Greek-Islands" "23.5384"
[18,] "Syrian_Jew" "23.8148"
[19,] "Crimean_Tatar" "23.9022"
[20,] "Cretan" "23.9456"

[1,] "20.2% Parsi + 79.8% Turkish_Kayseri" "6.2097"
[2,] "15.9% Balochi + 84.1% Turkish_Kayseri" "6.8566"
[3,] "16.3% Makrani + 83.7% Turkish_Kayseri" "6.9147"
[4,] "15% Brahui + 85% Turkish_Kayseri" "6.9656"
[5,] "68.3% Armenian_Yerevan + 31.7% Tadik" "7.1138"
[6,] "66.4% Armenian_Yerevan + 33.6% Tajik" "7.2674"
[7,] "13.6% Makrani + 86.4% Turk" "7.3346"
[8,] "13.2% Balochi + 86.8% Turk" "7.3646"
[9,] "16.2% Parsi + 83.8% Turk" "7.4737"
[10,] "12.3% Brahui + 87.7% Turk" "7.4932"
[11,] "32.3% Azov_Greek + 67.7% Kurd" "7.5292"
[12,] "80.9% Azeri + 19.1% Azov_Greek" "7.5368"
[13,] "47.1% Kurd + 52.9% Turk" "7.5608"
[14,] "68.6% Azeri + 31.4% Turkish_Kayseri" "7.573"
[15,] "66.4% Azeri_Dagestan + 33.6% French_Jew" "7.6078"
[16,] "51.8% Kurd + 48.2% Turkish_Kayseri" "7.745"
[17,] "11.7% Albanian + 88.3% Azeri" "7.7743"
[18,] "88.2% Azeri + 11.8% Central-Greek" "7.8506"
[19,] "89.8% Azeri + 10.2% Toscani" "7.8528"
[20,] "88.9% Azeri + 11.1% Georgian_Laz" "7.8975"


More or less same results, It's less noisy that's for sure.

1d-7 results


34.36% Caucasian-Basal
0.01% Melano-Austronesian
0.15% Uralic
1.69% Ancestral_East_Siberian
0.04% Ancestral_West_Siberian
17.46% Ancestral_North_Indian
3.51% Ancestral_South_Indian
1.63% West_European_HG
0.00% Ancestral_Sami-Finnic
0.00% South_East_Asian
0.01% Archaic_African
33.87% Ancestral_Mediterranean
0.01% Circumpolar
0.01% Near-East-Basal
6.39% Ancestral_East_European
0.26% African_Sub_Saharian
0.62% Amerindian

[1,] "Azeri" "9.0145"
[2,] "Turk" "11.4314"
[3,] "Kurd" "11.8822"
[4,] "Turkish_Kayseri" "12.1288"
[5,] "Uzbekistan_Jew" "15.1374"
[6,] "Jew_Tat" "15.3951"
[7,] "Iranian" "15.6707"
[8,] "Armenian_Yerevan" "15.7409"
[9,] "Kurd_Jew" "18.0569"
[10,] "Azeri_Dagestan" "18.759"
[11,] "Iran_Jew" "18.986"
[12,] "Turkish_Adana" "19.4226"
[13,] "Azov_Greek" "21.1565"
[14,] "Iraqi_Jew" "21.697"
[15,] "Iraki" "21.7697"
[16,] "Turkish_Aydin" "23.6901"
[17,] "Syrian_Jew" "24.3176"
[18,] "Greek-Islands" "24.3285"
[19,] "Kumyk" "24.7163"
[20,] "Cypriot" "24.7718"

[1,] "19.7% Parsi + 80.3% Turkish_Kayseri" "6.6165"
[2,] "70.3% Armenian_Yerevan + 29.7% Tadik" "7.2188"
[3,] "15.5% Balochi + 84.5% Turkish_Kayseri" "7.2304"
[4,] "68.4% Armenian_Yerevan + 31.6% Tajik" "7.268"
[5,] "15.8% Makrani + 84.2% Turkish_Kayseri" "7.3202"
[6,] "14.6% Brahui + 85.4% Turkish_Kayseri" "7.3529"
[7,] "72.1% Armenian_Yerevan + 27.9% Pashtun" "7.5397"
[8,] "86.1% Azeri + 13.9% Georgian_Laz" "7.749"
[9,] "84.8% Azeri + 15.2% Turkish_Trabzon" "7.8107"
[10,] "67.4% Azeri + 32.6% Turkish_Kayseri" "7.8182"
[11,] "32.2% Balochi + 67.8% Turkish_Trabzon" "7.8662"
[12,] "59% Georgian_Laz + 41% Parsi" "7.9611"
[13,] "50.9% Kurd + 49.1% Turkish_Kayseri" "7.9727"
[14,] "23.1% Armenian_Yerevan + 76.9% Azeri" "8.045"
[15,] "77.5% Armenian_Yerevan + 22.5% Kalash" "8.0515"
[16,] "32.9% Makrani + 67.1% Turkish_Trabzon" "8.1087"
[17,] "79.7% Armenian_Yerevan + 20.3% Balochi" "8.1374"
[18,] "90.8% Azeri + 9.2% Georgian_Imereti" "8.1521"
[19,] "77% Armenian_Yerevan + 23% Pathan" "8.1526"
[20,] "48.1% Kurd + 51.9% Turk" "8.1575"

NK19191
09-03-2014, 05:40 PM
@MFA Thanks again.


My results with the latest version of k17 beta
----------------------------
FINAL ADMIXTURE PROPORTIONS:
----------------------------

34.54% Caucasian-Basal
0.42% Melano-Austronesian
1.46% Uralic
0.65% Ancestral_East_Siber
0.54% Ancestral_West_Siber
16.28% Ancestral_North_Indi
5.24% Ancestral_South_Indi
2.78% West_European_HG
0.82% Ancestral_Sami-Finni
0.83% South_East_Asian
0.13% Archaic_African
26.73% Ancestral_Mediterran
0.27% Circumpolar
0.13% Near-East-Basal
7.63% Ancestral_East_Europ
1.19% African_Sub_Saharian
0.38% Amerindian


My Mom's results

----------------------------
FINAL ADMIXTURE PROPORTIONS:
----------------------------

30.88% Caucasian-Basal
0.60% Melano-Austronesian
1.09% Uralic
0.82% Ancestral_East_Siber
0.57% Ancestral_West_Siber
17.74% Ancestral_North_Indi
5.24% Ancestral_South_Indi
3.36% West_European_HG
0.45% Ancestral_Sami-Finni
0.73% South_East_Asian
0.11% Archaic_African
29.41% Ancestral_Mediterran
0.30% Circumpolar
0.11% Near-East-Basal
7.07% Ancestral_East_Europ
1.11% African_Sub_Saharian
0.42% Amerindian

Alanson
09-03-2014, 05:41 PM
Can someone do it for me i want to see my results?

StarDS9
09-03-2014, 05:46 PM
----------------------------
FINAL ADMIXTURE PROPORTIONS:
----------------------------

30.94% Caucasian-Basal
0.19% Melano-Austronesian
1.17% Uralic
0.75% Ancestral_East_Siber
0.71% Ancestral_West_Siber
18.16% Ancestral_North_Indi
3.88% Ancestral_South_Indi
3.33% West_European_HG
0.73% Ancestral_Sami-Finni
0.61% South_East_Asian
0.19% Archaic_African
30.84% Ancestral_Mediterran
0.57% Circumpolar
0.19% Near-East-Basal
6.33% Ancestral_East_Europ
0.86% African_Sub_Saharian
0.58% Amerindian

Dimanto
09-03-2014, 05:52 PM
Now it's this:

12.46% Caucasian-Basal
0.46% Melano-Austronesian
1.04% Uralic
0.18% Ancestral_East_Siber
0.58% Ancestral_West_Siber
3.67% Ancestral_North_Indi
0.57% Ancestral_South_Indi
21.79% West_European_HG
1.28% Ancestral_Sami-Finni
0.15% South_East_Asian
0.14% Archaic_African
28.97% Ancestral_Mediterran
0.57% Circumpolar
0.14% Near-East-Basal
27.53% Ancestral_East_Europ
0.21% African_Sub_Saharian
0.27% Amerindian

CPU time = 29.23 sec


[1,] "Occitan" "10.2205"
[2,] "Italian_Piedmont" "10.8657"
[3,] "North_Italian" "11.7522"
[4,] "Toscani" "12.8507"
[5,] "Albanian" "13.9108"
[6,] "Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha" "14.2155"
[7,] "Kosovar" "14.3542"
[8,] "Spanish_Extremadura" "14.8613"
[9,] "Corsican" "14.9244"
[10,] "Portugese" "14.9656"
[11,] "Greek" "15.4036"
[12,] "South_Greek" "16.5485"
[13,] "Spanish_Valencia" "16.5654"
[14,] "Spaniards" "16.7527"
[15,] "French" "17.5926"
[16,] "Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon" "18.0511"
[17,] "Central-Greek" "18.1085"
[18,] "French_South" "18.1955"
[19,] "Romanian" "18.2808"
[20,] "Italian_Abruzzo" "18.4217"
[21,] "Gagauz" "19.0551"
[22,] "North_Greek" "19.2799"
[23,] "Macedonian" "19.4289"
[24,] "Spanish_Cataluna" "19.7321"
[25,] "Bulgarian" "20.2152"
[26,] "Montenegrian" "20.588"
[27,] "Spain_BASC" "22.1981"
[28,] "N._European" "22.6262"
[29,] "Sicilian" "22.711"
[30,] "Serb_Serbia" "23.1504"



[1,] "28.9% Crimean_Tatar + 71.1% Occitan" "3.286"
[2,] "71.1% Albanian + 28.9% Norwegian" "3.2973"
[3,] "17.7% Kumyk + 82.3% Occitan" "3.4258"
[4,] "16.7% Kabardin + 83.3% Occitan" "3.6782"
[5,] "17% Lezgin + 83% Occitan" "3.6791"
[6,] "17.8% Azeri_Dagestan + 82.2% Occitan" "3.6869"
[7,] "34.7% Icelandic + 65.3% Toscani" "3.6955"
[8,] "18.1% Cirkassian + 81.9% Occitan" "3.701"
[9,] "27.7% Azov_Greek + 72.3% Occitan" "3.7321"
[10,] "15.3% Adygei + 84.7% Occitan" "3.7334"
[11,] "43% British + 57% Romanian_Jew" "3.7338"
[12,] "43.8% Icelandic + 56.2% Italian_Abruzzo" "3.7371"
[13,] "54.2% Ashkenazy_Jew + 45.8% British" "3.7822"
[14,] "16% Lak + 84% Occitan" "3.8069"
[15,] "15.9% Balkars + 84.1% Occitan" "3.8073"
[16,] "15.6% Chechens + 84.4% Occitan" "3.8548"
[17,] "56.2% Albanian + 43.8% French" "3.893"
[18,] "55.3% Italian_Abruzzo + 44.7% N._European" "3.8952"
[19,] "14.8% North-Ossetian + 85.2% Occitan" "3.9445"
[20,] "41% Greek-Islands + 59% N._European" "3.952"
[21,] "42.9% Belgian + 57.1% Italian_Abruzzo" "4.0132"
[22,] "83.4% Occitan + 16.6% Tabassaran" "4.0737"
[23,] "16% Avar + 84% Occitan" "4.0903"
[24,] "71.8% Albanian + 28.2% British" "4.1534"
[25,] "24.7% Swede + 75.3% Toscani" "4.1709"
[26,] "48.4% Cornish + 51.6% Romanian_Jew" "4.2264"
[27,] "44.7% Orcadian + 55.3% Romanian_Jew" "4.2402"
[28,] "85.9% Occitan + 14.1% Ossetian" "4.2573"
[29,] "36.6% Cretan + 63.4% French" "4.2723"
[30,] "67.4% Italian_Abruzzo + 32.6% Swede" "4.2821"




1,] "Italian" "10.4178"
[2,] "Occitan" "12.3739"
[3,] "Italian_Piedmont" "13.2098"
[4,] "Spanish-Aragon-Valencia" "13.6588"
[5,] "Italian-Toscani" "14.2413"
[6,] "Mixed German-British" "14.5008"
[7,] "German-Volga" "15.3073"
[8,] "Italian-North" "15.4371"
[9,] "Spaniard_Extremadura" "16.5014"
[10,] "Albanian" "16.5234"
[11,] "Sicilian-West" "17.2265"
[12,] "Italian_Abruzzo" "17.3756"
[13,] "German-South" "17.4453"
[14,] "Corsican" "17.664"
[15,] "French" "17.7182"
[16,] "Spaniard_Castilla_La_Mancha" "17.7602"
[17,] "English" "17.93"
[18,] "Portugese" "17.9482"
[19,] "Scottish" "18.2652"
[20,] "West-German" "19.0551"


Mixed Mode

[1,] "35.4% Cypriot + 64.6% Welsh" "3.9429"
[2,] "42.7% Cypriot-Turk + 57.3% Welsh" "4.0605"
[3,] "55.1% Cornish + 44.9% Cretan" "4.2566"
[4,] "48.9% Sicilian-East + 51.1% Welsh" "4.3047"
[5,] "34.3% Syrian_Jew + 65.7% Welsh" "4.4642"
[6,] "55.4% Belgian + 44.6% Cypriot-Turk" "4.5379"
[7,] "48.2% Cretan + 51.8% Orcadian" "4.5529"
[8,] "38.3% Greek-Island + 61.7% Welsh" "4.5553"
[9,] "53.8% Sicilian-West + 46.2% Welsh" "4.5782"
[10,] "46% British + 54% Sicilian-East" "4.7701"
[11,] "31.6% Icelandic + 68.4% Italian" "4.8047"
[12,] "63% Belgian + 37% Cypriot" "4.8081"
[13,] "44.3% Cornish + 55.7% Sicilian-East" "4.8408"
[14,] "60% British + 40% Cypriot" "4.8757"
[15,] "31.6% Druze + 68.4% Welsh" "4.8868"
[16,] "55.2% British_Kent + 44.8% Cretan" "4.9441"
[17,] "61.5% Albanian + 38.5% British_Kent" "4.9648"
[18,] "44.1% Greek-Island + 55.9% Mixed_German" "5.0141"
[19,] "50.7% Cornish + 49.3% Cypriot-Turk" "5.0209"
[20,] "59.9% Belgian + 40.1% Greek-Island" "5.0293"

The first one was better in Mixed mode, because now there are several Turkic populations instead of Cypriots and Greek-Islanders as a top population. From 11 it makes sense for me, but before that it makes no sense at all.

Rukha
09-03-2014, 05:55 PM
Dr_McNinja posted mine earlier:

24.65% Caucasian-Basal
0.01% Melano-Austronesian
1.18% Uralic
2.52% Ancestral_East_Siber
0.20% Ancestral_West_Siber
26.27% Ancestral_North_Indi
17.99% Ancestral_South_Indi
0.00% West_European_HG
0.20% Ancestral_Sami-Finni
1.50% South_East_Asian
0.00% Archaic_African
9.02% Ancestral_Mediterran
0.00% Circumpolar
0.00% Near-East-Basal
13.84% Ancestral_East_Europ
0.13% African_Sub_Saharian
2.48% Amerindian

[1,] "Pashtun" "6.5772"
[2,] "Tajik" "10.6741"
[3,] "Tadik" "10.8128"
[4,] "Pathan" "17.0166"
[5,] "Kalash" "18.802"
[6,] "Burusho" "21.1778"
[7,] "Uzbek" "21.8423"
[8,] "Turkmen" "23.8179"
[9,] "Sindhi" "27.8359"
[10,] "Azeri_Dagestan" "29.8735"

[1,] "86.1% Pashtun + 13.9% Roma_Slovenian" "3.8331"
[2,] "86.2% Pashtun + 13.8% Roma" "3.9231"
[3,] "86.9% Pashtun + 13.1% Roma_BH" "4.0422"
[4,] "86.4% Pashtun + 13.6% Roma_Bulgarian" "4.1402"
[5,] "87% Pashtun + 13% Roma_Macedonian" "4.2183"
[6,] "11.3% Azov_Greek + 88.7% Pashtun" "4.3209"
[7,] "12.1% Crimean_Tatar + 87.9% Pashtun" "4.3405"
[8,] "31.9% Kumyk + 68.1% Pathan" "4.3831"
[9,] "11% Cirkassian + 89% Pashtun" "4.5283"
[10,] "91.9% Pashtun + 8.1% Turkish_Trabzon" "4.5448"

Alanson
09-03-2014, 07:41 PM
Thanks to NK19191

These are my results

FINAL ADMIXTURE PROPORTIONS:
31.14% Caucasian-Basal
0.81% Melano-Austronesian
1.10% Uralic
0.48% Ancestral_East_Siber
0.58% Ancestral_West_Siber
12.00% Ancestral_North_Indi
2.98% Ancestral_South_Indi
3.32% West_European_HG
0.29% South_East_Asian
0.26% Archaic_African
37.03% Ancestral_Mediterran
0.15% Circumpolar
0.26% Near-East-Basal
4.55% Ancestral_East_Europ
3.94% African_Sub_Saharian
0.35% Amerindian

Singe population

[,1] [,2]

[1,] "Greek-Island" "14.7112"
[2,] "Armenian_Yerevan" "15.7761"
[3,] "Cypriot" "15.9219"
[4,] "Turk" "16.031"
[5,] "Cretan" "16.1113"
[6,] "Syrian_Jew" "16.7788"
[7,] "Azov_Greek" "17.8554"
[8,] "Turk_Kayseri" "18.0323"
[9,] "Cypriot-Turk" "18.2732"
[10,] "Non-Iranian Assyrian" "18.6245"
[11,] "Turk_Adana" "18.7189"
[12,] "Assiryan" "19.0015"
[13,] "Jew_Tat" "19.0472"
[14,] "Kurds_North" "20.0844"
[15,] "Azeri" "20.6494"
[16,] "Iranian Assyrian" "20.8869"
[17,] "Romanian_Jew" "21.3911"
[18,] "Kurd" "21.4874"
[19,] "Ashkenazi" "21.7244"
[20,] "Sephardic_Jew" "21.7289"

This looks weird can anyone explain this to me?, it seems iam more similar to a Greek island, but still have a long genetic distance from it.

vettor
09-03-2014, 07:48 PM
my latest admixture

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Ancestral_East_European_ANE 33.45
2 Ancestral_Mediterranean_EEF 31.22
3 West_European_HG 19.88
4 Caucasian-Basal 12.13
5 Ancestral_South_Indian 1.65
6 Uralic 0.74
7 Melano-Austronesian 0.41
8 African_Sub_Saharian 0.4
9 Ancestral_North_Indian 0.12

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 69.7% Toscani + 30.3% German @ 2.95
2 68.7% Toscani + 31.3% Czech @ 2.99
3 62.8% Toscani + 37.2% Hungarian @ 3.14
4 71.8% Toscani + 28.2% Mixed_CEU @ 3.15

#1 is same as Natgeno2 except with natogeno it is 51% german and 49% tuscan
............................................

my wife's results.............we are both ancestral veneti....myself closer to south tyrol, my wife closer to Friuli

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Ancestral_East_European_ANE 35.34
2 Ancestral_Mediterranean_EEF 28.55
3 West_European_HG 21.27
4 Caucasian-Basal 9.95
5 Ancestral_North_Indian 1.46
6 Uralic 1.17
7 Circumpolar 0.62
8 South_East_Asian 0.46
9 Melano-Austronesian 0.45
10 Ancestral_South_Indian 0.3
11 African_Sub_Saharian 0.15
12 Ancestral_Sami-Finnic 0.12
13 Archaic_African 0.07
14 Near-East-Basal 0.07
15 Ancestral_West_Siberian 0.01

also, my numbers stop at 9 and hers go to 15

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 63% Kosovar + 37% Cornish @ 1.94
2 60.8% Kosovar + 39.2% Welsh @ 1.99
3 68.7% Kosovar + 31.3% Norwegian @ 2.29
4 67.2% Kosovar + 32.8% Orcadian @ 2.29

unsure what Kosovar represents in this admixture

another confusing breakup for her if comparing with above
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Austrian +50% Toscani @ 2.658846

David Mc
09-03-2014, 08:09 PM
What program are you all using to open the new test? I get a RAR file that my computer can't seem to open...

vettor
09-03-2014, 08:20 PM
What program are you all using to open the new test? I get a RAR file that my computer can't seem to open...

if you are talking to me.....then the download is broken.....but Gedmatch has the new k17

David Mc
09-03-2014, 08:44 PM
It was a general question, but thank you for responding, Vettor.

Alanson
09-03-2014, 08:45 PM
I just want to know why I am getting a Greek Island as my best fit for single population? I hope someone would explain this.

escalation
09-03-2014, 09:01 PM
Here's mine:
I don't know if this will be helpful at all, but I'm "Nestorian" and my family was originally from Iran, Turkey, and Russia.
Maternal grandmother: Half Iranian-Assyrian, Half Iranian-Armenian(half of family born in Russia/USSR)
Maternal grandfather: Iranian-Assyrian, but family might have originally been from present-day Turkey or Iraq.
Paternal grandmother: 75% Iranian-Assyrian, 25% Iranian-Armenian(born in Russia/USSR)
Paternal grandfather: Turkish-Assyrian(born in Russia/USSR)

# Population Percent
1 Ancestral_Mediterranean_EEF 39.88
2 Caucasian-Basal 37.89
3 Ancestral_North_Indian 15.2
4 Ancestral_East_European_ANE 3.66
5 African_Sub_Saharian 1.31
6 West_European_HG 1.25
7 Ancestral_South_Indian 0.46
8 Melano-Austronesian 0.19
9 Archaic_African 0.08
10 Near-East-Basal 0.08

# Population (source) Distance
1 Armenian_Yerevan 10.85
2 Turkish_Kayseri 11.98
3 Jew_Tat 14.1
4 Turk 14.62
5 Kurd 15.39
6 Azeri 15.76
7 Uzbekistan_Jew 16.11
8 Kurd 18.96
9 Turkish_Adana 19.72
10 Kurd_Jew 19.87
11 Iran_Jew 19.9
12 Uzbekistan_Jew 20.49
13 Iraqi_Jew 21.61
14 Iranian 22.28
15 Turkish_Trabzon 23.36
16 Azov_Greek 23.57
17 Cypriot 24.16
18 Syrian_Jew 24.34
19 Greek-Islands 24.57
20 Iraki 25.14

Wulf Warrior
09-03-2014, 09:05 PM
My K17...

MDLP World 'Ancient_Roots' Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Ancestral_East_European_ANE 47.94
2 West_European_HG 26.00
3 Ancestral_Mediterranean_EEF 12.42
4 Caucasian-Basal 6.57
5 Ancestral_North_Indian 2.74
6 Ancestral_Sami-Finnic 1.62
7 Ancestral_West_Siberian 1.33

Population approximations in spoiler.

Finished reading population data. 474 populations found.
17 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 South-German @ 5.838992
2 Mixed_European @ 6.032585
3 North_German @ 6.975052
4 Belgian @ 8.291994
5 Mixed_German @ 8.712910
6 CEU @ 8.994400
7 Austrian @ 9.088985
8 Icelandic @ 9.232355
9 N._European @ 9.388240
10 Swede @ 9.886868
11 Welsh @ 10.121553
12 British_Kent @ 10.604056
13 Cornish @ 11.284284
14 Swede @ 11.383084
15 Icelandic @ 11.829530
16 Scottish_Argyll @ 13.106835
17 Orcadian @ 13.505713
18 Hungarian @ 15.329506
19 German @ 16.856815
20 British @ 16.915970

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% British +50% Hungarian @ 2.126270


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Austrian +25% Cornish +25% Swede @ 1.951222


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 British + Macedonian + Swede + Swede @ 1.803886
2 British + Macedonian + North_German + Swede @ 1.812764
3 Austrian + Croatian + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 1.877738
4 British + Hungarian + Hungarian + Orcadian @ 1.886082
5 Macedonian + Orcadian + Swede + Swede @ 1.927391
6 British + Bulgarian + North_German + Swede @ 1.941235
7 Austrian + Austrian + Cornish + Swede @ 1.951222
8 Austrian + British + Cornish + Croatian @ 1.955710
9 British + Macedonian + Swede + Swede @ 1.958925
10 British + Hungarian + Icelandic + North_German @ 2.005366
11 British + Hungarian + Hungarian + Scottish_Argyll @ 2.016440
12 Bulgarian + Orcadian + Swede + Swede @ 2.044532
13 British + Croatian + Icelandic + North_German @ 2.046105
14 Austrian + CEU + South-German + Swede @ 2.048974
15 Austrian + British + CEU + Croatian @ 2.049473
16 Cornish + Gagauz + Loshbour + Orcadian @ 2.049508
17 British + Bulgarian + Swede + Swede @ 2.052197
18 British + Icelandic + North_German + Slovenian @ 2.059841
19 British + Montenegrian + North_German + Swede @ 2.060396
20 Austrian + British_Kent + South-German + Swede @ 2.066835

bol_nat
09-03-2014, 09:07 PM
I'd expect the same thing if they took random samples from Amritsar or Chandigarh. All castes and people of immigrant origins would be represented.

I also see ''Pakistani'' samples and they seem to cluster with pathan and sindhis of HGDP on that pdf. Any idea about background of these samples?

David Mc
09-03-2014, 09:09 PM
So here are my newest results, courtesy of the updated K17 Ancient Roots test. Keep in mind that I am of entirely British Isles background.. mostly English with a smattering of Isle of Man, Irish and a good dose of Lowland Scots. Given this is my background, how should I interpret these results. They still seem to want to project me quite far away from my place of origin...

Oracle Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Ancestral_East_European_ANE 45.38
2 West_European_HG 26.09
3 Ancestral_Mediterranean_EEF 15.8
4 Caucasian-Basal 3.65
5 Ancestral_Sami-Finnic 2.8
6 Ancestral_North_Indian 2.51
7 Ancestral_South_Indian 1.63
8 Circumpolar 1.14
9 Amerindian 0.57
10 Archaic_African 0.14
11 Near-East-Basal 0.14
12 African_Sub_Saharian 0.14


Please see the spoilers for the population approximations.

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South-German 4.7
2 Belgian 5.15
3 N._European 5.55
4 Mixed_European 7.91
5 Icelandic 8.29
6 Welsh 8.59
7 Austrian 8.64
8 CEU 8.92
9 Icelandic 9.21
10 Mixed_German 9.53
11 North_German 9.85
12 Cornish 10.42
13 British_Kent 10.83
14 French 12.79
15 Swede 13.64
16 Hungarian 14.13
17 Orcadian 14.15
18 Scottish_Argyll 14.25
19 Swede 15.39
20 Slovenian 16.35

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 75.2% Belgian + 24.8% Hungarian @ 2.29
2 77.9% Belgian + 22.1% Slovenian @ 2.35
3 79.8% Belgian + 20.2% Czech @ 2.44
4 81.4% Belgian + 18.6% Slovak @ 2.44
5 79.7% Belgian + 20.3% Croatian @ 2.46
6 62.6% Swede + 37.4% Occitan @ 2.52
7 80.7% Belgian + 19.3% Croat @ 2.58
8 81% Belgian + 19% Serb_BH @ 2.64
9 65.1% Belgian + 34.9% Austrian @ 2.65
10 81% Belgian + 19% Croat_BH @ 2.66
11 81.2% Belgian + 18.8% Bosnian @ 2.68
12 87% Belgian + 13% Ukranian @ 2.69
13 78.7% N._European + 21.3% Czech @ 2.71
14 87.8% Belgian + 12.2% Mixed_East_Slav @ 2.71
15 67.2% South-German + 32.8% Icelandic @ 2.76
16 67% Swede + 33% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.78
17 72.3% Swede + 27.7% Corsican @ 2.78
18 80.4% N._European + 19.6% Slovak @ 2.78
19 79.2% N._European + 20.8% Mixed_CEU @ 2.81
20 86.9% N._European + 13.1% Mixed_East_Slav @ 2.81

Next, the 4-Ancerstors Oracle Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Ancestral_East_European_ANE 45.38
2 West_European_HG 26.09
3 Ancestral_Mediterranean_EEF 15.80
4 Caucasian-Basal 3.65
5 Ancestral_Sami-Finnic 2.80
6 Ancestral_North_Indian 2.51
7 Ancestral_South_Indian 1.63
8 Circumpolar 1.14

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 South-German @ 4.703308
2 Belgian @ 5.825274
3 N._European @ 6.105789
4 Icelandic @ 8.168420
5 Mixed_European @ 8.551090
6 Austrian @ 9.242019
7 CEU @ 9.362807
8 Mixed_German @ 9.395003
9 Welsh @ 9.460596
10 Icelandic @ 9.671064
11 North_German @ 10.283542
12 British_Kent @ 11.196369
13 Cornish @ 11.264031
14 Swede @ 13.481915
15 French @ 13.601760
16 Scottish_Argyll @ 14.368043
17 Orcadian @ 14.602897
18 Swede @ 14.664372
19 Hungarian @ 15.815061
20 Norwegian @ 17.704411

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Belgian +50% South-German @ 3.116265


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Mixed_European +25% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha +25% Swede @ 2.255426

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Icelandic + Slovak + Spanish_Pais_Vasco + Swede @ 1.771422
2 Belarusian + Icelandic + Norwegian + Spanish_Cataluna @ 1.873449
3 Icelandic + Slovak + Spain_BASC + Swede @ 1.939010
4 French_Basque + Icelandic + Mixed_East_Slav + Swede @ 1.947065
5 French_Basque + Icelandic + Swede + Ukranian @ 1.955241
6 Center-Russian + Icelandic + Norwegian + Spanish_Cataluna @ 1.960893
7 Icelandic + Norwegian + Pole + Spanish_Cataluna @ 1.982694
8 Czech + Icelandic + Spain_BASC + Swede @ 1.991808
9 Icelandic + Slovak + Spanish_Cataluna + Swede @ 1.993167
10 Czech + Icelandic + Spanish_Pais_Vasco + Swede @ 2.007046
11 Hungarian + Spanish_Valencia + Swede + Swede @ 2.042224
12 Icelandic + Mixed_CEU + Spain_BASC + Swede @ 2.046499
13 Mixed_CEU + N._European + Occitan + Swede @ 2.065866
14 Icelandic + Mixed_CEU + Spanish_Cataluna + Swede @ 2.067484
15 Icelandic + Loshbour + Mixed_European + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.071337
16 Center-Russian + Icelandic + Norwegian + Spain_BASC @ 2.071354
17 Czech + Icelandic + Spanish_Valencia + Swede @ 2.089038
18 Icelandic + Lithuanian + Norwegian + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.090806
19 Icelandic + Mixed_CEU + Spanish_Valencia + Swede @ 2.095634
20 French_Basque + Icelandic + Swede + Ukranian @ 2.098493

So what gives? Am I misunderstanding the way in which this tool is supposed to be used? Should I not expect to find a stronger British signature in these results? What kinds of results are other British Isles people getting?

vettor
09-03-2014, 09:10 PM
I just want to know why I am getting a Greek Island as my best fit for single population? I hope someone would explain this.

its because most of T ydna in the Mediterranean was brought around by Phoenicians via the levant and alexandria areas,...... to places like Crete, Cyprus, ionion islands, west sicily , spanish islands and southern Spain......the only islands which have T and seem to not be brought by Phoenicians are chios and Samos and other northern aegean islands......these seems to be linked with ancient Lycians or pre hittite-lycian people.......
Problem for the T in the levant and egypt is that its far younger than the anatolian/caucasus T as per scholar papers

David Mc
09-03-2014, 09:12 PM
I note my ANE has spiked quite a bit, as well, compared to earlier results:

Before:

EEF 48.32406263
WHG 36.62993574
ANE 15.04600163

Now:

Ancestral_East_European_ANE 45.38
West_European_HG 26.09
Ancestral_Mediterranean_EEF 15.80

vettor
09-03-2014, 09:13 PM
So here are my newest results, courtesy of the updated K17 Ancient Roots test. Keep in mind that I am of entirely British Isles background.. mostly English with a smattering of Isle of Man, Irish and a good dose of Lowland Scots. Given this is my background, how should I interpret these results. They still seem to want to project me quite far away from my place of origin...

Oracle Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Ancestral_East_European_ANE 45.38
2 West_European_HG 26.09
3 Ancestral_Mediterranean_EEF 15.8
4 Caucasian-Basal 3.65
5 Ancestral_Sami-Finnic 2.8
6 Ancestral_North_Indian 2.51
7 Ancestral_South_Indian 1.63
8 Circumpolar 1.14
9 Amerindian 0.57
10 Archaic_African 0.14
11 Near-East-Basal 0.14
12 African_Sub_Saharian 0.14


Please see the spoilers for the population approximations.

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South-German 4.7
2 Belgian 5.15
3 N._European 5.55
4 Mixed_European 7.91
5 Icelandic 8.29
6 Welsh 8.59
7 Austrian 8.64
8 CEU 8.92
9 Icelandic 9.21
10 Mixed_German 9.53
11 North_German 9.85
12 Cornish 10.42
13 British_Kent 10.83
14 French 12.79
15 Swede 13.64
16 Hungarian 14.13
17 Orcadian 14.15
18 Scottish_Argyll 14.25
19 Swede 15.39
20 Slovenian 16.35

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 75.2% Belgian + 24.8% Hungarian @ 2.29
2 77.9% Belgian + 22.1% Slovenian @ 2.35
3 79.8% Belgian + 20.2% Czech @ 2.44
4 81.4% Belgian + 18.6% Slovak @ 2.44
5 79.7% Belgian + 20.3% Croatian @ 2.46
6 62.6% Swede + 37.4% Occitan @ 2.52
7 80.7% Belgian + 19.3% Croat @ 2.58
8 81% Belgian + 19% Serb_BH @ 2.64
9 65.1% Belgian + 34.9% Austrian @ 2.65
10 81% Belgian + 19% Croat_BH @ 2.66
11 81.2% Belgian + 18.8% Bosnian @ 2.68
12 87% Belgian + 13% Ukranian @ 2.69
13 78.7% N._European + 21.3% Czech @ 2.71
14 87.8% Belgian + 12.2% Mixed_East_Slav @ 2.71
15 67.2% South-German + 32.8% Icelandic @ 2.76
16 67% Swede + 33% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.78
17 72.3% Swede + 27.7% Corsican @ 2.78
18 80.4% N._European + 19.6% Slovak @ 2.78
19 79.2% N._European + 20.8% Mixed_CEU @ 2.81
20 86.9% N._European + 13.1% Mixed_East_Slav @ 2.81

Next, the 4-Ancerstors Oracle Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Ancestral_East_European_ANE 45.38
2 West_European_HG 26.09
3 Ancestral_Mediterranean_EEF 15.80
4 Caucasian-Basal 3.65
5 Ancestral_Sami-Finnic 2.80
6 Ancestral_North_Indian 2.51
7 Ancestral_South_Indian 1.63
8 Circumpolar 1.14

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 South-German @ 4.703308
2 Belgian @ 5.825274
3 N._European @ 6.105789
4 Icelandic @ 8.168420
5 Mixed_European @ 8.551090
6 Austrian @ 9.242019
7 CEU @ 9.362807
8 Mixed_German @ 9.395003
9 Welsh @ 9.460596
10 Icelandic @ 9.671064
11 North_German @ 10.283542
12 British_Kent @ 11.196369
13 Cornish @ 11.264031
14 Swede @ 13.481915
15 French @ 13.601760
16 Scottish_Argyll @ 14.368043
17 Orcadian @ 14.602897
18 Swede @ 14.664372
19 Hungarian @ 15.815061
20 Norwegian @ 17.704411

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Belgian +50% South-German @ 3.116265


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Mixed_European +25% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha +25% Swede @ 2.255426

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Icelandic + Slovak + Spanish_Pais_Vasco + Swede @ 1.771422
2 Belarusian + Icelandic + Norwegian + Spanish_Cataluna @ 1.873449
3 Icelandic + Slovak + Spain_BASC + Swede @ 1.939010
4 French_Basque + Icelandic + Mixed_East_Slav + Swede @ 1.947065
5 French_Basque + Icelandic + Swede + Ukranian @ 1.955241
6 Center-Russian + Icelandic + Norwegian + Spanish_Cataluna @ 1.960893
7 Icelandic + Norwegian + Pole + Spanish_Cataluna @ 1.982694
8 Czech + Icelandic + Spain_BASC + Swede @ 1.991808
9 Icelandic + Slovak + Spanish_Cataluna + Swede @ 1.993167
10 Czech + Icelandic + Spanish_Pais_Vasco + Swede @ 2.007046
11 Hungarian + Spanish_Valencia + Swede + Swede @ 2.042224
12 Icelandic + Mixed_CEU + Spain_BASC + Swede @ 2.046499
13 Mixed_CEU + N._European + Occitan + Swede @ 2.065866
14 Icelandic + Mixed_CEU + Spanish_Cataluna + Swede @ 2.067484
15 Icelandic + Loshbour + Mixed_European + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.071337
16 Center-Russian + Icelandic + Norwegian + Spain_BASC @ 2.071354
17 Czech + Icelandic + Spanish_Valencia + Swede @ 2.089038
18 Icelandic + Lithuanian + Norwegian + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.090806
19 Icelandic + Mixed_CEU + Spanish_Valencia + Swede @ 2.095634
20 French_Basque + Icelandic + Swede + Ukranian @ 2.098493

So what gives? Am I misunderstanding the way in which this tool is supposed to be used? Should I not expect to find a stronger British signature in these results? What kinds of results are other British Isles people getting?

i see no issue......check ancient celtic belgae who went to southern England

Wulf Warrior
09-03-2014, 09:15 PM
I think mine are pretty spot on, almost...

Not sure where the Sami-Finnic and West Siberian is coming from, unless that's from my Scandinavian ancestry. Most likely....

Dimanto
09-03-2014, 09:16 PM
My mum's results k17's 1st version:

FINAL ADMIXTURE PROPORTIONS:
----------------------------


9.70% Caucasian-Basal
0.48% Melano-Austronesian
3.32% Uralic
0.01% Ancestral_East_Siber
2.03% Ancestral_West_Siber
5.88% Ancestral_North_Indi
0.00% Ancestral_South_Indi
37.38% West_European_HG
2.45% Ancestral_Sami-Finni
0.00% South_East_Asian
0.09% Archaic_African
5.69% Ancestral_Mediterran
1.14% Circumpolar
0.85% Near-East-Basal
30.57% Ancestral_East_Europ
0.00% African_Sub_Saharian
0.40% Amerindian



[1,] "CEU" "5.7985"
[2,] "Irish" "6.3069"
[3,] "West-German" "6.3541"
[4,] "German-North" "6.4905"
[5,] "Swede" "6.732"
[6,] "Norwegian" "7.2365"
[7,] "English" "7.2375"
[8,] "Welsh" "7.9527"
[9,] "Scottish" "7.989"
[10,] "German-South" "8.4635"
[11,] "Mixed_CEU" "9.8112"
[12,] "Mixed_German" "10.6924"
[13,] "North_European" "10.8768"
[14,] "Icelandic" "10.9433"
[15,] "British" "11.0043"
[16,] "Belgian" "11.0775"
[17,] "Mixed_European" "11.1568"
[18,] "Mixed German-British" "11.2544"
[19,] "German-Volga" "12.8862"
[20,] "Austrian" "13.9962"


[1,] "75.3% Cornish + 24.7% Ukrainian" "2.9555"
[2,] "72.6% Cornish + 27.4% Russian-West" "3.0029"
[3,] "71.1% Cornish + 28.9% Russian-Meshtchyora" "3.0048"
[4,] "36.1% Croatian + 63.9% Orcadian" "3.0171"
[5,] "73.4% Cornish + 26.6% Russian-South" "3.0492"
[6,] "74.8% Cornish + 25.2% Mordovian" "3.0981"
[7,] "70% Cornish + 30% Erzya" "3.1327"
[8,] "71.7% Cornish + 28.3% Mixed_East_Slav" "3.1538"
[9,] "66% British_Kent + 34% Silesian" "3.1607"
[10,] "71.9% British_Kent + 28.1% Mixed_East_Slav" "3.2004"
[11,] "70.9% Cornish + 29.1% Moksha" "3.2101"
[12,] "67.8% British_Kent + 32.2% Ukrainian-West" "3.2119"
[13,] "73.7% British_Kent + 26.3% Russian-South" "3.2138"
[14,] "71.4% British_Kent + 28.6% Russian-Meshtchyora" "3.2261"
[15,] "71.6% Cornish + 28.4% Ukrainian-East" "3.231"
[16,] "70.5% British_Kent + 29.5% Ukrainian-Center" "3.2353"
[17,] "72.8% British_Kent + 27.2% Russian-West" "3.2411"
[18,] "23.4% Belarusian-East + 76.6% British_Kent" "3.2889"
[19,] "74.6% Cornish + 25.4% Don_cossack" "3.3138"
[20,] "88.9% CEU + 11.1% Mixed_East_European" "3.3149"


K17' Beta version:


5.77% Caucasian-Basal
0.44% Melano-Austronesian
1.54% Uralic
0.12% Ancestral_East_Siber
0.89% Ancestral_West_Siber
2.15% Ancestral_North_Indi
0.31% Ancestral_South_Indi
26.02% West_European_HG
1.74% Ancestral_Sami-Finni
0.05% South_East_Asian
0.10% Archaic_African
10.92% Ancestral_Mediterran
0.31% Circumpolar
0.10% Near-East-Basal
49.22% Ancestral_East_Europ
0.05% African_Sub_Saharian
0.26% Amerindian


[1,] "Mixed_European" "5.1033"
[2,] "North_German" "5.2406"
[3,] "South-German" "7.4764"
[4,] "Mixed_German" "8.3108"
[5,] "Swede" "8.4218"
[6,] "Belgian" "9.4783"
[7,] "CEU" "9.5395"
[8,] "Icelandic" "9.5401"
[9,] "Austrian" "10.0282"
[10,] "N._European" "10.5359"
[11,] "Welsh" "11.0964"
[12,] "British_Kent" "11.2736"
[13,] "Cornish" "11.9566"
[14,] "Scottish_Argyll" "12.9589"
[15,] "Orcadian" "13.4889"
[16,] "German" "15.6565"
[17,] "Mixed_CEU" "16.7921"
[18,] "British" "16.8177"
[19,] "Slovenian" "17.6621"
[20,] "Norwegian" "18.0272"



[1,] "72.5% Mixed_European + 27.5% Scottish_Argyll" "1.4491"
[2,] "56.8% Cornish + 43.2% German" "1.484"
[3,] "58.3% British_Kent + 41.7% German" "1.6037"
[4,] "41.1% Czech + 58.9% Scottish_Argyll" "1.6136"
[5,] "41.9% Croatian + 58.1% Orcadian" "1.6774"
[6,] "62.4% CEU + 37.6% German" "1.7312"
[7,] "61.5% Scottish_Argyll + 38.5% Slovak" "1.8459"
[8,] "22.2% British + 77.8% Mixed_European" "1.8459"
[9,] "72.4% Cornish + 27.6% Don_cossack" "1.8881"
[10,] "73.6% Cornish + 26.4% Mixed_East_Slav" "1.9285"
[11,] "73.9% Mixed_European + 26.1% Orcadian" "1.9535"
[12,] "73.3% Cornish + 26.7% Mordovian" "1.9561"
[13,] "74.3% Cornish + 25.7% South-Russian" "1.971"
[14,] "77.9% CEU + 22.1% Mixed_East_Slav" "1.9788"
[15,] "76.9% CEU + 23.1% Don_cossack" "1.9817"
[16,] "78.5% CEU + 21.5% South-Russian" "2.0421"
[17,] "77.5% CEU + 22.5% Ukrainian" "2.0488"
[18,] "25.2% Mordovian + 74.8% Welsh" "2.0519"
[19,] "72% Cornish + 28% Ukranian" "2.0657"
[20,] "73.2% Cornish + 26.8% Ukrainian" "2.0714"

David Mc
09-03-2014, 09:36 PM
Hi Vettor. I suppose South German could be interpreted as Celtic/Germanic mix? And Belgium as Belgae/Germanic mix? I don't know how this works in application. Northern European I get. Still a bit surprised that the first British admixtures are #5 and #9 respectively, and that these are Welsh, given I have no Welsh in me, but I suppose these can point to Brythonic stock.

In population approximations why does it try to make me a quarter Spanish and a quarter Slavic, though?

As I say, the application is a bit tricky, but I am a fair bit behind the learning curve when it comes to autosomal DNA, I think. I'm still most comfortable with handling Y-DNA results.

Vadim Verenich
09-03-2014, 09:39 PM
I would like to express my gratitude to all contributors of 23andme/FTDNA data.
The Dutch and Kurd category is almost filled up, i still need only a couple of samples to close these categories.

I am still waiting for the following people
5 Danes (from Denmark and Faroese Islands)
5 Frisons
5 Germans from central Germany (preferably Saxons)
10 Englishmen (from regions others than Kent, Orkney Isles, Scotland and Cornwall)
10 Irishmen (from all regions)
10 French samples (from northern France only)
3 Belgians
2-3 Swedes
2-3 Norwegians
3-4 Finns

Vadim Verenich
09-03-2014, 09:40 PM
Assyrian and Iraqi-Mandean samples will be also most appreciated

Vadim Verenich
09-03-2014, 09:43 PM
I also see ''Pakistani'' samples and they seem to cluster with pathan and sindhis of HGDP on that pdf. Any idea about background of these samples?

Pakistani samples from Xing dataset

bol_nat
09-03-2014, 09:48 PM
It's also important to keep in mind some differences between each religion. Hinduism traditionally places greater stress on endogamy and marriage within one's caste. Hindu Jatts being more of a tribe than a caste, were able to stay hyper endogamous even when compared to other hindus, because their community is so small and not found in distant lands. Compare Jatts to Brahmins for instance. By hindu rules, nothing bars a Bengali Brahmin from marrying a Kashmiri Pandit since they are both of the same caste, but Jatts are only found in Haryana, Rajasthan, and Western UP (mostly). Since they share common origin, they were able to best preserve their autosomal makeup through hyper endogamy.
In contrast, Sikhism is less caste oriented. Despite this, most Sikhs (like >60%) happen to be Jatts. If a Sikh Jatt wanted to marry in his religion (which Sikhism encourages), odds are that he would easily be able to find a Sikh Jatt female. Of course, Jatts tend to stress endogamy for other non religious reasons anyway so we can see why Sikh Jatts stayed relatively endogamous but not more than Hindu Jats of Haryana, Rajasthan, etc.
Islam again does not care about caste. It is true that most Pakistani muslims still marry within their own biraderi due to other cultural reasons but the pressure is not as strong. Like you said, there are so many other tribes and peoples were migrating all over this area in antiquity so it seems likely that Punjabi muslims would have married out of their biraderi more often than both the Hindu Jatts and the Sikh Jatts.

I agree with you on that. Even if rare mixing still happen in rural areas between different biraderis, its inevitable. Recently i learned one of our relative is married to Hindko malik woman from KPK. Funny thing is these Hindko Malik claim to be pathans. They speak hindko which is very similar to punjabi spoken in Gujrat, so no language problem even if one does not take urdu in to account. I think they are Malik Awan, they do not look like pashtuns either. Though they say look we have light eye in our family to explain why they are pathans.

I also doubt any pashtun have Malik surname? Not sure.

Vadim Verenich
09-03-2014, 09:55 PM
Vadim,

On the PCA, I see "Tajik_Pomiri" samples. If possible, could you post calculator results for this population (whatever calculator you prefer, although the previous K17 was best)? I would greatly appreciate this. Thanks in advance.

Edit: I also see PJL ("Punjabi from Lahore"). Calculator results for this population would be great as well. Some are clustering with South Indians, which I think was expected (Lahori Punjabis are probably genetically more like North-Central Indians, rather than like northwestern Indians or South Central Asians).

Sein,

I cannot post any calculator's results yet because the PCA represents the working dataset i'm planning to use for uplcoming Admixture runs

Erik
09-03-2014, 09:56 PM
I would like to express my gratitude to all contributors of 23andme/FTDNA data.
The Dutch and Kurd category is almost filled up, i still need only a couple of samples to close these categories.

I am still waiting for the following people
5 Danes (from Denmark and Faroese Islands)
5 Frisons
5 Germans from central Germany (preferably Saxons)
10 Englishmen (from regions others than Kent, Orkney Isles, Scotland and Cornwall)
10 Irishmen (from all regions)
10 French samples (from northern France only)
3 Belgians
2-3 Swedes
2-3 Norwegians
3-4 Finns
I can provide you with a "pure" Swedish sample and an Ashkenazi Jewish one if you need.

vettor
09-03-2014, 10:03 PM
Hi Vettor. I suppose South German could be interpreted as Celtic/Germanic mix? And Belgium as Belgae/Germanic mix? I don't know how this works in application. Northern European I get. Still a bit surprised that the first British admixtures are #5 and #9 respectively, and that these are Welsh, given I have no Welsh in me, but I suppose these can point to Brythonic stock.

In population approximations why does it try to make me a quarter Spanish and a quarter Slavic, though?

As I say, the application is a bit tricky, but I am a fair bit behind the learning curve when it comes to autosomal DNA, I think. I'm still most comfortable with handling Y-DNA results.

Hi

I was always taught that the pop for only one, is neither here nor there in accuracy but as a guide ..............and pops with 2, 3 or 4 mix is to use any that fit your known ancestry.

note: I do note that for 2 and 3 pop mix there is no choice anymore


you can choose this from your list if it fits
19 79.2% N._European + 20.8% Mixed_CEU @ 2.81

the 2.81 is not much difference to the number in #1

Vadim Verenich
09-03-2014, 10:38 PM
I can provide you with a "pure" Swedish sample and an Ashkenazi Jewish one if you need.

You are welcome

Dr_McNinja
09-03-2014, 10:46 PM
As others have noted Vadim, and as you probably figured out (but just making sure), I wouldn't use the PJL (Punjabi from Lahore) dataset to represent any single ethnic group since it contains many different ethnic groups from across the region in one city.

Dimanto
09-03-2014, 10:49 PM
I don't think Frisians are all that different from many North-Dutch or people from Groningen or West-Frisia what is also in North(west)-Holland. Nice though to have a different grouping for Frisians :p I hope it makes a positive difference in the outcome.


I would like to express my gratitude to all contributors of 23andme/FTDNA data.
The Dutch and Kurd category is almost filled up, i still need only a couple of samples to close these categories.

I am still waiting for the following people
5 Danes (from Denmark and Faroese Islands)
5 Frisons
5 Germans from central Germany (preferably Saxons)
10 Englishmen (from regions others than Kent, Orkney Isles, Scotland and Cornwall)
10 Irishmen (from all regions)
10 French samples (from northern France only)
3 Belgians
2-3 Swedes
2-3 Norwegians
3-4 Finns

Erik
09-03-2014, 10:58 PM
You are welcome
They're both in AncestryDNA format, is that alright? How do you want me to send them to you?

Dr_McNinja
09-03-2014, 10:59 PM
I agree with you on that. Even if rare mixing still happen in rural areas between different biraderis, its inevitable. Recently i learned one of our relative is married to Hindko malik woman from KPK. Funny thing is these Hindko Malik claim to be pathans. They speak hindko which is very similar to punjabi spoken in Gujrat, so no language problem even if one does not take urdu in to account. I think they are Malik Awan, they do not look like pashtuns either. Though they say look we have light eye in our family to explain why they are pathans.

I also doubt any pashtun have Malik surname? Not sure.Malik is a common Punjabi surname but according to Wikipedia is used by some Pashtun too.


Malik is a common surname among the Kakazai Pashtuns. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malik)
Consequently, the Kakazai Pashtuns not residing in Pashto-speaking areas, despite practicing Pashtunwali, do not exclusively speak Pashto but may speak other languages indigenous to Pakistan such as Urdu, Punjabi, Siraiki, Hindko and Balochi.[24][9][10]

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kakazai)Not sure whether these Wikipedia edits are exactly trustworthy though. The sources are in Urdu.

From my experience most Pakistani Pashtun and Punjabis (including other Western Punjabi-speaking Pahari peoples) view such people as not actually Pashtun or Pathan if they do not speak Pashto. They tend to have a derogatory view of such claims. I've known quite a few Hindkowans who claim to follow Pashtunwali or have Pashtun surnames or claim Pashtun descent and probably some of these claims are true but the majority are just local Hindkowans. Phenotypically some clearly look Pathan/Pashtun though, more than the average Punjabi or Pahari people. They'd probably come out as somewhere inbetween Pahari people and Pathans on genetic tests I'd bet, but probably closer to the Pahari peoples.

Sein mentioned a while back that there was a lot of mixing between Hindkowans and Pathans in places like Peshawar.

(I call those speaking Western Punjabi dialects "Pahari", they usually reside in Northwestern Punjab, Azad Kashmir, parts of KPK, Islamabad/Rawalpindi, etc, and many are Jatts)

David Mc
09-03-2014, 11:09 PM
Thanks Vettor. As I say, I'm involved in a learning process here.

bol_nat
09-04-2014, 12:44 AM
Malik is a common Punjabi surname but according to Wikipedia is used by some Pashtun too.

Not sure whether these Wikipedia edits are exactly trustworthy though. The sources are in Urdu.

From my experience most Pakistani Pashtun and Punjabis (including other Western Punjabi-speaking Pahari peoples) view such people as not actually Pashtun or Pathan if they do not speak Pashto. They tend to have a derogatory view of such claims. I've known quite a few Hindkowans who claim to follow Pashtunwali or have Pashtun surnames or claim Pashtun descent and probably some of these claims are true but the majority are just local Hindkowans. Phenotypically some clearly look Pathan/Pashtun though, more than the average Punjabi or Pahari people. They'd probably come out as somewhere inbetween Pahari people and Pathans on genetic tests I'd bet, but probably closer to the Pahari peoples.

Sein mentioned a while back that there was a lot of mixing between Hindkowans and Pathans in places like Peshawar.

(I call those speaking Western Punjabi dialects "Pahari", they usually reside in Northwestern Punjab, Azad Kashmir, parts of KPK, Islamabad/Rawalpindi, etc, and many are Jatts)

Some of Hindkowans having pashtun look is result of recent mixing with pakhtuns but on average they do not look like them. For exemple Niazis of Punjab are pure pashtun tribe, despite mixing here and there they still look like pashtuns. While i have not seen Kakezai of Punjab so can't say for sure.

Pashtun is blood identity, i doubt language matter. Imran Khan is pure Niazi pashtun despite native language being punjabi. They just say malik and pathan, i believe they are malik awans.

Sein
09-04-2014, 01:15 AM
Sein,

I cannot post any calculator's results yet because the PCA represents the working dataset i'm planning to use for uplcoming Admixture runs

Vadim,

Ah, that makes sense.

I'm really looking forward to seeing how these populations breakdown in terms of ADMIXTURE affinities. The Pamiri Tajiks are an exceedingly interesting population (their languages are the closest living languages to Pashto), and the PJL are a very important addition to understanding genetic variation in Pakistani Punjab.

MitchellSince1893
09-04-2014, 01:53 AM
As usual, my results aren't in between my parents.
Me: Ancestral_East_European_ANE 49.28. Father: Ancestral_East_European_ANE 43.82, Mother: Ancestral_East_European_ANE 48.51.

On most admixtures, I'm more central European than either parent. The exception being 23andme where I'm more Irish than either of my English centric parents.

Can anyone explain why that is the case? Shouldn't I have results in between my parent's results? e.g. between 43.82 and 48.51 for Ancestral_East_European?

I've asked this before but I wonder if it's due to my "fair skin/red hair" gene that neither of my parents have. Are the admixture tools looking at this result and pulling me further North or East/West (depending on admixture tool)?

My MC1R gene:
rs1805007 CT
rs1805008 CT

Mother
rs1805007 CT
rs1805008 CC

Father
rs1805007 CC
rs1805008 CT



My MDLP K17 Results
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Ancestral_East_European_ANE 49.28
2 West_European_HG 22.38
3 Ancestral_Mediterranean_EEF 14.32
4 Ancestral_North_Indian 4.19
5 Caucasian-Basal 3.76
6 Ancestral_Sami-Finnic 3.5
7 Uralic 1.52
8 Amerindian 0.86
9 Circumpolar 0.12
10 Ancestral_South_Indian 0.08

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Mixed_European 5
2 South-German 6.64
3 Austrian 7.42
4 North_German 7.47
5 Belgian 9.95
6 Icelandic 10.08
7 N._European 10.16
8 Hungarian 11.13
9 Swede 11.29
10 Icelandic 11.34
11 Mixed_German 11.61
12 CEU 12.22
13 German 12.46
14 Welsh 12.61
15 Slovenian 13.11
16 Swede 13.8
17 Czech 13.95
18 Cornish 14.02
19 Mixed_CEU 14.08
20 Croatian 14.12

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 72.5% N._European + 27.5% Don_cossack @ 3.3
2 94.8% Mixed_European + 5.2% Parsi @ 3.31
3 73.6% N._European + 26.4% Mixed_East_Slav @ 3.32
4 85.2% Swede + 14.8% French_Jew @ 3.43
5 76.2% N._European + 23.8% Center-Russian @ 3.43
6 74.7% N._European + 25.3% South-Russian @ 3.46
7 71.9% N._European + 28.1% Ukranian @ 3.48
8 95.5% Mixed_European + 4.5% Makrani @ 3.48
9 75.4% N._European + 24.6% Pole @ 3.48
10 74.2% N._European + 25.8% Mordovian @ 3.49
11 73.5% N._European + 26.5% Ukrainian @ 3.5
12 55.6% N._European + 44.4% German @ 3.51
13 95.6% Mixed_European + 4.4% Balochi @ 3.52
14 95.7% Mixed_European + 4.3% Brahui @ 3.54
15 83.2% Swede + 16.8% Ashkenazy_Jew @ 3.55
16 78.2% N._European + 21.8% Estonian @ 3.6
17 76.6% N._European + 23.4% Belarusian @ 3.6
18 75.9% Mixed_European + 24.1% Icelandic @ 3.65
19 74.3% Belgian + 25.7% Mixed_East_Slav @ 3.69
20 72.5% Belgian + 27.5% Ukranian @ 3.7


Father's

MDLP World 'Ancient_Roots' Oracle

Kit F249822

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Ancestral_East_European_ANE 43.82
2 West_European_HG 25.52
3 Ancestral_Mediterranean_EEF 15.53
4 Caucasian-Basal 6.37
5 Ancestral_North_Indian 4.64
6 Ancestral_Sami-Finnic 1.85
7 Ancestral_West_Siberian 1.06
8 Amerindian 0.8
9 Uralic 0.25
10 Melano-Austronesian 0.15
11 Ancestral_South_Indian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South-German 4.89
2 Belgian 6.57
3 N._European 6.68
4 Icelandic 7.05
5 Welsh 8.49
6 Austrian 8.52
7 CEU 9.18
8 Mixed_European 9.3
9 Cornish 10.39
10 Icelandic 10.4
11 British_Kent 10.53
12 Mixed_German 11.29
13 North_German 11.35
14 French 12.78
15 Scottish_Argyll 13.92
16 Orcadian 14.2
17 Hungarian 14.55
18 Swede 14.96
19 Swede 16.55
20 Slovenian 17.33

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 64.1% South-German + 35.9% Icelandic @ 3.5
2 95.9% South-German + 4.1% Brahui @ 3.6
3 95.7% South-German + 4.3% Balochi @ 3.61
4 95.8% South-German + 4.2% Makrani @ 3.67
5 95.1% South-German + 4.9% Kalash @ 3.68
6 50.1% Welsh + 49.9% Austrian @ 3.7
7 60.1% Orcadian + 39.9% Serb_Serbia @ 3.78
8 71.1% Welsh + 28.9% Serb_BH @ 3.8
9 71.3% Welsh + 28.7% Bosnian @ 3.86
10 75.4% Welsh + 24.6% Russian_South @ 3.89
11 72% South-German + 28% Welsh @ 3.92
12 94% South-German + 6% Tadik @ 3.92
13 70.6% Cornish + 29.4% Russian_South @ 3.92
14 70.9% Swede + 29.1% Toscani @ 3.94
15 95.8% South-German + 4.2% Sindhi @ 3.94
16 75.5% Swede + 24.5% Ashkenazy_Jew @ 3.95
17 95.3% South-German + 4.7% Pathan @ 3.97
18 94.9% South-German + 5.1% Pashtun @ 3.97
19 71.4% Welsh + 28.6% Croat @ 3.98
20 56% Austrian + 44% Cornish @ 3.98


Father's maternal half brother
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Ancestral_East_European_ANE 43.81
2 West_European_HG 26.93
3 Ancestral_Mediterranean_EEF 16.42
4 Caucasian-Basal 7.58
5 Ancestral_Sami-Finnic 2.58
6 Ancestral_North_Indian 1.2
7 Ancestral_West_Siberian 0.58
8 Amerindian 0.29
9 Uralic 0.27
10 Melano-Austronesian 0.25
11 Circumpolar 0.1

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South-German 4.51
2 Belgian 5.86
3 N._European 6.39
4 Icelandic 7.79
5 Welsh 8.08
6 CEU 8.72
7 Austrian 8.72
8 British_Kent 9.28
9 Cornish 9.88
10 Mixed_European 9.9
11 Icelandic 10.37
12 Mixed_German 11.14
13 French 11.4
14 North_German 12.11
15 Scottish_Argyll 13.54
16 Orcadian 14.07
17 Hungarian 15.11
18 Swede 15.69
19 Swede 17.19
20 British 17.49

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 69.2% British_Kent + 30.8% Serb_Serbia @ 1.78
2 85.9% Belgian + 14.1% Mixed_East_European @ 1.94
3 59.9% Orcadian + 40.1% Montenegrian @ 2.1
4 68.6% Swede + 31.4% Toscani @ 2.2
5 68% Cornish + 32% Serb_Serbia @ 2.22
6 71.2% CEU + 28.8% Montenegrian @ 2.24
7 63% Orcadian + 37% Macedonian @ 2.29
8 68.4% Cornish + 31.6% Montenegrian @ 2.3
9 73.6% CEU + 26.4% Bulgarian @ 2.32
10 73.8% CEU + 26.2% Macedonian @ 2.32
11 69.8% British_Kent + 30.2% Montenegrian @ 2.32
12 59.6% Orcadian + 40.4% Serb_Serbia @ 2.45
13 71% Cornish + 29% Bulgarian @ 2.57
14 62.9% Orcadian + 37.1% Bulgarian @ 2.57
15 64.6% Swede + 35.4% Italian_Piedmont @ 2.58
16 72.6% British_Kent + 27.4% Macedonian @ 2.58
17 71% CEU + 29% Serb_Serbia @ 2.59
18 54.1% British + 45.9% Serb_Serbia @ 2.64
19 76.6% CEU + 23.4% Gagauz @ 2.68
20 72.5% British_Kent + 27.5% Bulgarian @ 2.78


Mother
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Ancestral_East_European_ANE 48.51
2 West_European_HG 24.46
3 Ancestral_Mediterranean_EEF 13.93
4 Ancestral_Sami-Finnic 4
5 Caucasian-Basal 3.53
6 Ancestral_South_Indian 2.32
7 Ancestral_North_Indian 1.88
8 Uralic 0.85
9 Amerindian 0.38
10 African_Sub_Saharian 0.16

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Mixed_European 5.06
2 South-German 6.33
3 North_German 7.04
4 Icelandic 7.88
5 Belgian 8.02
6 Austrian 8.41
7 N._European 8.93
8 Mixed_German 9.63
9 CEU 10.3
10 Swede 10.61
11 Welsh 10.9
12 Icelandic 11.31
13 Cornish 12.18
14 British_Kent 12.23
15 Swede 12.69
16 Hungarian 12.79
17 German 13.65
18 Slovenian 14.59
19 Mixed_CEU 14.7
20 Scottish_Argyll 14.74

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 63.8% Belgian + 36.2% German @ 2.51
2 80.8% Belgian + 19.2% Center-Russian @ 2.59
3 78.9% Belgian + 21.1% Mixed_East_Slav @ 2.64
4 78% Belgian + 22% Don_cossack @ 2.67
5 79.7% Belgian + 20.3% South-Russian @ 2.67
6 79.6% Belgian + 20.4% Russian @ 2.68
7 65.7% Belgian + 34.3% Mixed_CEU @ 2.69
8 62.9% N._European + 37.1% Mixed_CEU @ 2.7
9 77.6% Belgian + 22.4% Ukranian @ 2.74
10 80.3% Belgian + 19.7% Pole @ 2.79
11 81.9% Belgian + 18.1% Vepsa @ 2.8
12 79.4% Belgian + 20.6% Mordovian @ 2.81
13 80.9% Belgian + 19.1% North-Russian @ 2.82
14 81.3% Belgian + 18.7% Belarusian @ 2.83
15 78.9% Belgian + 21.1% Ukrainian @ 2.84
16 62.9% Icelandic + 37.1% Hungarian @ 2.85
17 80.4% Belgian + 19.6% West-Belarusian @ 2.88
18 66.1% Icelandic + 33.9% Slovenian @ 2.89
19 83% Belgian + 17% Mixed_Slav @ 2.96
20 81.2% Belgian + 18.8% East-Belarusian @ 2.96

One thing I noted of interest was how this admixture delineates the North and South Indian in my parents. The stronger North Indian for my dad makes sense as he had maternal Indian ancestors during the British colonial period. I believe they would have been from Northern India. The stronger South Indian for my mom might be indicating Romany ancestry.

Dr_McNinja
09-04-2014, 02:52 AM
As usual, my results aren't in between my parents.
Me: Ancestral_East_European_ANE 49.28. Father: Ancestral_East_European_ANE 43.82, Mother: Ancestral_East_European_ANE 48.51.

On most admixtures, I'm more central European than either parent. The exception being 23andme where I more Irish than either of my English centric parents.

Can anyone explain why that is the case? Shouldn't I have results in between my parent's results? e.g. between 43.82 and 48.51 for Ancestral_East_European?

I've asked this before but I wonder if it's due to my "fair skin/red hair" gene that neither of my parents have. Are the admixture tools looking at this result and pulling me further North or East/West (depending on admixture tool)?

My MC1R gene:
rs1805007 CT
rs1805008 CT

Mother
rs1805007 CT
rs1805008 CC

Father
rs1805007 CC
rs1805008 CT



My MDLP K17 Results
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Ancestral_East_European_ANE 49.28
2 West_European_HG 22.38
3 Ancestral_Mediterranean_EEF 14.32
4 Ancestral_North_Indian 4.19
5 Caucasian-Basal 3.76
6 Ancestral_Sami-Finnic 3.5
7 Uralic 1.52
8 Amerindian 0.86
9 Circumpolar 0.12
10 Ancestral_South_Indian 0.08

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Mixed_European 5
2 South-German 6.64
3 Austrian 7.42
4 North_German 7.47
5 Belgian 9.95
6 Icelandic 10.08
7 N._European 10.16
8 Hungarian 11.13
9 Swede 11.29
10 Icelandic 11.34
11 Mixed_German 11.61
12 CEU 12.22
13 German 12.46
14 Welsh 12.61
15 Slovenian 13.11
16 Swede 13.8
17 Czech 13.95
18 Cornish 14.02
19 Mixed_CEU 14.08
20 Croatian 14.12

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 72.5% N._European + 27.5% Don_cossack @ 3.3
2 94.8% Mixed_European + 5.2% Parsi @ 3.31
3 73.6% N._European + 26.4% Mixed_East_Slav @ 3.32
4 85.2% Swede + 14.8% French_Jew @ 3.43
5 76.2% N._European + 23.8% Center-Russian @ 3.43
6 74.7% N._European + 25.3% South-Russian @ 3.46
7 71.9% N._European + 28.1% Ukranian @ 3.48
8 95.5% Mixed_European + 4.5% Makrani @ 3.48
9 75.4% N._European + 24.6% Pole @ 3.48
10 74.2% N._European + 25.8% Mordovian @ 3.49
11 73.5% N._European + 26.5% Ukrainian @ 3.5
12 55.6% N._European + 44.4% German @ 3.51
13 95.6% Mixed_European + 4.4% Balochi @ 3.52
14 95.7% Mixed_European + 4.3% Brahui @ 3.54
15 83.2% Swede + 16.8% Ashkenazy_Jew @ 3.55
16 78.2% N._European + 21.8% Estonian @ 3.6
17 76.6% N._European + 23.4% Belarusian @ 3.6
18 75.9% Mixed_European + 24.1% Icelandic @ 3.65
19 74.3% Belgian + 25.7% Mixed_East_Slav @ 3.69
20 72.5% Belgian + 27.5% Ukranian @ 3.7


Father's

MDLP World 'Ancient_Roots' Oracle

Kit F249822

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Ancestral_East_European_ANE 43.82
2 West_European_HG 25.52
3 Ancestral_Mediterranean_EEF 15.53
4 Caucasian-Basal 6.37
5 Ancestral_North_Indian 4.64
6 Ancestral_Sami-Finnic 1.85
7 Ancestral_West_Siberian 1.06
8 Amerindian 0.8
9 Uralic 0.25
10 Melano-Austronesian 0.15
11 Ancestral_South_Indian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South-German 4.89
2 Belgian 6.57
3 N._European 6.68
4 Icelandic 7.05
5 Welsh 8.49
6 Austrian 8.52
7 CEU 9.18
8 Mixed_European 9.3
9 Cornish 10.39
10 Icelandic 10.4
11 British_Kent 10.53
12 Mixed_German 11.29
13 North_German 11.35
14 French 12.78
15 Scottish_Argyll 13.92
16 Orcadian 14.2
17 Hungarian 14.55
18 Swede 14.96
19 Swede 16.55
20 Slovenian 17.33

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 64.1% South-German + 35.9% Icelandic @ 3.5
2 95.9% South-German + 4.1% Brahui @ 3.6
3 95.7% South-German + 4.3% Balochi @ 3.61
4 95.8% South-German + 4.2% Makrani @ 3.67
5 95.1% South-German + 4.9% Kalash @ 3.68
6 50.1% Welsh + 49.9% Austrian @ 3.7
7 60.1% Orcadian + 39.9% Serb_Serbia @ 3.78
8 71.1% Welsh + 28.9% Serb_BH @ 3.8
9 71.3% Welsh + 28.7% Bosnian @ 3.86
10 75.4% Welsh + 24.6% Russian_South @ 3.89
11 72% South-German + 28% Welsh @ 3.92
12 94% South-German + 6% Tadik @ 3.92
13 70.6% Cornish + 29.4% Russian_South @ 3.92
14 70.9% Swede + 29.1% Toscani @ 3.94
15 95.8% South-German + 4.2% Sindhi @ 3.94
16 75.5% Swede + 24.5% Ashkenazy_Jew @ 3.95
17 95.3% South-German + 4.7% Pathan @ 3.97
18 94.9% South-German + 5.1% Pashtun @ 3.97
19 71.4% Welsh + 28.6% Croat @ 3.98
20 56% Austrian + 44% Cornish @ 3.98


Father's maternal half brother
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Ancestral_East_European_ANE 43.81
2 West_European_HG 26.93
3 Ancestral_Mediterranean_EEF 16.42
4 Caucasian-Basal 7.58
5 Ancestral_Sami-Finnic 2.58
6 Ancestral_North_Indian 1.2
7 Ancestral_West_Siberian 0.58
8 Amerindian 0.29
9 Uralic 0.27
10 Melano-Austronesian 0.25
11 Circumpolar 0.1

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South-German 4.51
2 Belgian 5.86
3 N._European 6.39
4 Icelandic 7.79
5 Welsh 8.08
6 CEU 8.72
7 Austrian 8.72
8 British_Kent 9.28
9 Cornish 9.88
10 Mixed_European 9.9
11 Icelandic 10.37
12 Mixed_German 11.14
13 French 11.4
14 North_German 12.11
15 Scottish_Argyll 13.54
16 Orcadian 14.07
17 Hungarian 15.11
18 Swede 15.69
19 Swede 17.19
20 British 17.49

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 69.2% British_Kent + 30.8% Serb_Serbia @ 1.78
2 85.9% Belgian + 14.1% Mixed_East_European @ 1.94
3 59.9% Orcadian + 40.1% Montenegrian @ 2.1
4 68.6% Swede + 31.4% Toscani @ 2.2
5 68% Cornish + 32% Serb_Serbia @ 2.22
6 71.2% CEU + 28.8% Montenegrian @ 2.24
7 63% Orcadian + 37% Macedonian @ 2.29
8 68.4% Cornish + 31.6% Montenegrian @ 2.3
9 73.6% CEU + 26.4% Bulgarian @ 2.32
10 73.8% CEU + 26.2% Macedonian @ 2.32
11 69.8% British_Kent + 30.2% Montenegrian @ 2.32
12 59.6% Orcadian + 40.4% Serb_Serbia @ 2.45
13 71% Cornish + 29% Bulgarian @ 2.57
14 62.9% Orcadian + 37.1% Bulgarian @ 2.57
15 64.6% Swede + 35.4% Italian_Piedmont @ 2.58
16 72.6% British_Kent + 27.4% Macedonian @ 2.58
17 71% CEU + 29% Serb_Serbia @ 2.59
18 54.1% British + 45.9% Serb_Serbia @ 2.64
19 76.6% CEU + 23.4% Gagauz @ 2.68
20 72.5% British_Kent + 27.5% Bulgarian @ 2.78


Mother
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Ancestral_East_European_ANE 48.51
2 West_European_HG 24.46
3 Ancestral_Mediterranean_EEF 13.93
4 Ancestral_Sami-Finnic 4
5 Caucasian-Basal 3.53
6 Ancestral_South_Indian 2.32
7 Ancestral_North_Indian 1.88
8 Uralic 0.85
9 Amerindian 0.38
10 African_Sub_Saharian 0.16

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Mixed_European 5.06
2 South-German 6.33
3 North_German 7.04
4 Icelandic 7.88
5 Belgian 8.02
6 Austrian 8.41
7 N._European 8.93
8 Mixed_German 9.63
9 CEU 10.3
10 Swede 10.61
11 Welsh 10.9
12 Icelandic 11.31
13 Cornish 12.18
14 British_Kent 12.23
15 Swede 12.69
16 Hungarian 12.79
17 German 13.65
18 Slovenian 14.59
19 Mixed_CEU 14.7
20 Scottish_Argyll 14.74

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 63.8% Belgian + 36.2% German @ 2.51
2 80.8% Belgian + 19.2% Center-Russian @ 2.59
3 78.9% Belgian + 21.1% Mixed_East_Slav @ 2.64
4 78% Belgian + 22% Don_cossack @ 2.67
5 79.7% Belgian + 20.3% South-Russian @ 2.67
6 79.6% Belgian + 20.4% Russian @ 2.68
7 65.7% Belgian + 34.3% Mixed_CEU @ 2.69
8 62.9% N._European + 37.1% Mixed_CEU @ 2.7
9 77.6% Belgian + 22.4% Ukranian @ 2.74
10 80.3% Belgian + 19.7% Pole @ 2.79
11 81.9% Belgian + 18.1% Vepsa @ 2.8
12 79.4% Belgian + 20.6% Mordovian @ 2.81
13 80.9% Belgian + 19.1% North-Russian @ 2.82
14 81.3% Belgian + 18.7% Belarusian @ 2.83
15 78.9% Belgian + 21.1% Ukrainian @ 2.84
16 62.9% Icelandic + 37.1% Hungarian @ 2.85
17 80.4% Belgian + 19.6% West-Belarusian @ 2.88
18 66.1% Icelandic + 33.9% Slovenian @ 2.89
19 83% Belgian + 17% Mixed_Slav @ 2.96
20 81.2% Belgian + 18.8% East-Belarusian @ 2.96

One thing I noted of interest was how this admixture delineates the North and South Indian in my parents. The stronger North Indian for my dad makes sense as he had maternal Indian ancestors during the British colonial period. I believe they would have been from Northern India. The stronger South Indian for my mom might be indicating Romany ancestry.I've had similar results, pulling greater or lesser than both my parents in a certain component. Some of these components basically overlap and Admixture is trying to average out the entire mix, so it might be arriving at a similar result to your parents through a different combination. And since these populations are neighboring, I suppose its common for some average allele frequencies of certain parts of the genome to resemble one or the other bordering area during genetic recombination through random chance.

MitchellSince1893
09-04-2014, 03:20 AM
...I suppose its common for some average allele frequencies of certain parts of the genome to resemble one or the other bordering area during genetic recombination through random chance.

I've wondered that as well. Using the analogy of mixing paint are you saying something like...

Father - Primarily British = Red
Mother - British/Irish/German/Scandinavian = Blue

Typical Central European (Austria/Hungary) = Purple

Although I don't have any Austrian or Hungarian ancestry, the mixture of Red and Blue makes me look more Purple/Central European than either parent?

Dr_McNinja
09-04-2014, 03:38 AM
I've wondered that as well. Using the analogy of mixing paint are you saying something like...

Father - Primarily British = Red
Mother - British/Irish/German.Scandinavian = Blue

Typical Central European (Austria/Hungary) = Purple

Although I don't have any Austrian or Hungarian ancestry, the mixture of Red and Blue makes me look Purple?Yeah the concept is right though not sure about how you split the idea for your specific ancestry. With Brits you can look at two directions which pull on your admixture. West (Atlantic-Mediterranean, pre-Germanic history... Cornwall, Southwestern Scotland, Ireland, etc) and East (Germanic, most of the rest of England culminating in Kent and the North Sea area). So the latter can very easily appear as "Central European" which basically means Germanic. The difference is how much of that pre-Germanic admixture is being mixed with it (let's say, pulling numbers out of air right now, Irish are 20% Germanic and Brits are 80% Germanic). The more it "mixes" (or the more it approaches 80%, the number for the average of the reference population in England), the more British you appear. The less it mixes the more you appear as a combination of Central European and, say, Ireland for example if it approaches 20% which matches the hypothetical Irish reference population. If it doesn't mix at either 20% or 80% (which correspond to actual reference populations), it will start combining other components. You'll get Central European to explain the chunk of disconnected Germanic admixture (at 100% Germanic, hypothetically) and then something else to explain the admixed Germanic/Atl-Med part (maybe French, maybe Spanish, maybe Norwegian, who knows).

I can use the little bit of European FTDNA detected for my family:

Mother's Mother: 5% British Isles, 5% Eastern Europe, 45% Central Asia (formerly known as "Eurasian Heartland" which was coming in at low frequencies in Northwest European populations)
Mother: 5% Finland, 5% Eastern Europe, 51% Central Asia
Father: 10% Scandinavian, 45% Central Asia
Me: 6% Finland, 3% Eastern Europe, 49% Central Asia

So my father's 10% Scandinavian is basically the same thing as my grandmother's 5% British Isles + 5% Eastern Europe (also my family are all distant cousins to one another). Slight variation in the allele frequencies caused the software to split it up. Notice they both have 45% Eurasian Heartland. My mother and I, however, have our European admixture all in the East, in Finland and Eastern Europe. But our Eurasian Heartland has gone up by 4-5% over them. If we pull that admixture out of Central Asia and combine it with the European components, we'd have Scandinavian or British Isles or something like that instead of all Northeastern Europe.

You can see that mathematically as well, averaging these all together also tends to give close results (in my family's case because my father and grandmother had higher Indian).

Dimanto
09-05-2014, 09:40 PM
Another North-Dutch person with one side from Frisia and the other from Groningen and North-Holland:

K17 first model:


6.64% Caucasian-Basal
0.63% Melano-Austronesian
3.46% Uralic
0.00% Ancestral_East_Siber
1.60% Ancestral_West_Siber
5.80% Ancestral_North_Indi
0.02% Ancestral_South_Indi
37.80% West_European_HG
3.77% Ancestral_Sami-Finni
0.20% South_East_Asian
0.38% Archaic_African
7.78% Ancestral_Mediterran
1.28% Circumpolar
1.69% Near-East-Basal
28.84% Ancestral_East_Europ
0.09% African_Sub_Saharian
0.00% Amerindian




[1,] "CEU" "4.0769"
[2,] "West-German" "4.4007"
[3,] "English" "5.4252"
[4,] "Scottish" "5.5727"
[5,] "Welsh" "5.6861"
[6,] "Irish" "5.8418"
[7,] "Norwegian" "6.2356"
[8,] "Swede" "6.9847"
[9,] "German-South" "7.5229"
[10,] "German-North" "7.5547"
[11,] "Icelandic" "7.8249"
[12,] "Belgian" "8.4728"
[13,] "Mixed_German" "9.103"
[14,] "Mixed_CEU" "9.4066"
[15,] "British" "9.6691"
[16,] "Mixed German-British" "9.7003"
[17,] "North_European" "10.0795"
[18,] "Mixed_European" "10.7632"
[19,] "German-Volga" "11.3603"
[20,] "Cornish" "13.2222"


[1,] "47% Norwegian + 53% Scottish" "1.5201"
[2,] "59% CEU + 41% Scottish" "1.7587"
[3,] "90.9% CEU + 9.1% Russian_South" "1.7903"
[4,] "74.4% CEU + 25.6% Mixed_European" "1.8143"
[5,] "13.1% Motala + 86.9% Welsh" "1.8334"
[6,] "53.9% English + 46.1% Norwegian" "1.8423"
[7,] "34.7% German-Volga + 65.3% Norwegian" "1.8656"
[8,] "75.6% CEU + 24.4% German-Volga" "1.8729"
[9,] "90.2% CEU + 9.8% Romanians" "1.8843"
[10,] "71.8% CEU + 28.2% Mixed_CEU" "1.8856"
[11,] "10.4% Estonian + 89.6% Welsh" "1.9099"
[12,] "15.2% LaBrana-1 + 84.8% Welsh" "1.9158"
[13,] "20.6% Finn-Swede + 79.4% Welsh" "1.9333"
[14,] "24.1% Dane + 75.9% Welsh" "1.937"
[15,] "90% CEU + 10% Serb_Serbia" "1.9815"
[16,] "89.6% CEU + 10.4% Croat" "2.0162"
[17,] "17% Ajv58 + 83% Welsh" "2.0745"
[18,] "91.1% CEU + 8.9% Gagauz" "2.0802"
[19,] "16.2% Finn-West + 83.8% Welsh" "2.0812"
[20,] "9.6% Bulgarian + 90.4% CEU" "2.0833"

Almost identical to the results from my mum B)

MasterRoshi
09-06-2014, 01:38 AM
My Results
1 Ancestral_Mediterranean_EEF 33.60
2 Caucasian-Basal 33.31
3 Ancestral_North_Indian 18.35
4 Ancestral_East_European_ANE 4.85
5 Ancestral_South_Indian 3.59
6 West_European_HG 2.69
7 African_Sub_Saharian 1.46
8 Amerindian 1.34
9 Uralic 0.82

I doubt that Ancestral East European is ANE, because usually I get 18% ANE and ANE played a role in forming Caucasus_Gedrosia, North European, Amerindian and even ASI/Southeast Asian, so unlikely it is entirely East European like. Or is this "ANE" something different and shouldn't be confused with Ancestral North Eurasian?



1 Azeri @ 9.159522
2 Kurd @ 10.294534
3 Kurd @ 11.931414
4 Turk @ 12.972288
5 Turkish_Kayseri @ 13.308593
6 Iranian @ 14.294284
7 Uzbekistan_Jew @ 14.860691
8 Jew_Tat @ 15.246605
9 Uzbekistan_Jew @ 16.400345
10 Armenian_Yerevan @ 16.575817
11 Kurd_Jew @ 17.601233
12 Iran_Jew @ 18.510380
13 Turkish_Adana @ 19.837440
14 Azeri_Dagestan @ 19.875620
15 Iraki @ 21.078020
16 Iraqi_Jew @ 21.383121
17 Azov_Greek @ 22.496868
18 Syrian_Jew @ 24.366161
19 Syrian @ 24.738523
20 Greek-Islands @ 24.876678


Azeri as first score, is probably cause of low Kurdish participation.

My results in comparison to the other two Kurds here.
StardDS
http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?3026-MDLP-ancient-roots-!-!&p=50552&viewfull=1#post50552

MfA
http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?3026-MDLP-ancient-roots-!-!&p=50547&viewfull=1#post50547

Táltos
09-06-2014, 03:32 AM
My K17 results from Gedmatch.

FTDNA
1 Ancestral_East_European_ANE 49.91
2 Ancestral_Mediterranean_EEF 20.26
3 West_European_HG 14
4 Caucasian-Basal 7.74
5 Ancestral_North_Indian 2.19
6 Uralic 1.95
7 Ancestral_Sami-Finnic 1.55
8 African_Sub_Saharian 1.09
9 Melano-Austronesian 0.62
10 Ancestral_South_Indian 0.27
11 Amerindian 0.24
12 Circumpolar 0.18

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarian 5.11
2 Austrian 6.09
3 Croat 6.64
4 Bosnian 6.69
5 Serb_BH 6.81
6 Croat_BH 7.04
7 Slovenian 7.83
8 Croatian 8.09
9 South-German 10.42
10 Serb_Serbia 10.65
11 Czech 11.84
12 Russian_South 12.26
13 Mixed_European 12.29
14 Montenegrian 12.69
15 German 13.64
16 Slovak 13.71
17 Icelandic 15.29
18 Bulgarian 15.7
19 North_German 16.08
20 Macedonian 16.17

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 70.7% Croat + 29.3% Icelandic @ 2.15
2 70.4% Serb_BH + 29.6% Icelandic @ 2.51
3 66.3% German + 33.7% Kosovar @ 2.54
4 71% Bosnian + 29% Icelandic @ 2.61
5 69.8% Croat_BH + 30.2% Icelandic @ 2.64
6 66.4% Serb_Serbia + 33.6% Swede @ 2.77
7 73.5% Bosnian + 26.5% N._European @ 2.84
8 93.3% Hungarian + 6.7% Turkish_Adana @ 2.93
9 68% German + 32% Greek @ 2.98
10 72.1% German + 27.9% Central-Greek @ 3
11 90.6% Hungarian + 9.4% Azov_Greek @ 3.04
12 52.8% Austrian + 47.2% Croat @ 3.04
13 53.9% Serb_Serbia + 46.1% Mixed_European @ 3.04
14 93.5% Hungarian + 6.5% Turkish_Kayseri @ 3.05
15 62.6% Bosnian + 37.4% South-German @ 3.05
16 66.7% Macedonian + 33.3% Loshbour @ 3.08
17 77.3% Croatian + 22.7% Occitan @ 3.08
18 80.5% Serb_BH + 19.5% Scottish_Argyll @ 3.09
19 94.1% Hungarian + 5.9% Armenian_Yerevan @ 3.09
20 74.6% Bosnian + 25.4% Belgian @ 3.09


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Croatian + Croatian + Icelandic + Serb_Serbia @ 1.898778
2 Croatian + Icelandic + Serb_Serbia + Slovenian @ 1.946716
3 Croatian + Czech + Icelandic + Macedonian @ 1.984452
4 Croatian + Icelandic + Kosovar + Sorbs @ 2.042530
5 Croatian + Croatian + Icelandic + Montenegrian @ 2.070406
6 Croatian + Icelandic + Macedonian + Slovak @ 2.077537
7 Croat + Icelandic + Lithuanian + Toscani @ 2.080647
8 Croatian + Kosovar + N._European + Ukrainian @ 2.100596
9 Central-Greek + German + N._European + Ukrainian @ 2.122639
10 Croatian + Macedonian + Serb_Serbia + Swede @ 2.125751
11 Croat + Czech + Icelandic + Serb_Serbia @ 2.125857
12 Central-Greek + Croatian + N._European + Pole @ 2.126003
13 Croatian + Icelandic + Mixed_Slav + Toscani @ 2.131342
14 Croat + Croat + Gagauz + Swede @ 2.137657
15 Croatian + Greek + N._European + Ukrainian @ 2.145185
16 Croat + Croatian + Icelandic + Serb_Serbia @ 2.148561
17 Croatian + Icelandic + Montenegrian + Slovenian @ 2.148726
18 Croat + Croat + Hungarian + Icelandic @ 2.153312
19 Bosnian + Croat + Hungarian + Icelandic @ 2.154650
20 Croat_BH + Icelandic + Lithuanian + Toscani @ 2.161841



23andme
1 Ancestral_East_European_ANE 50.58
2 Ancestral_Mediterranean_EEF 20.26
3 West_European_HG 13.75
4 Caucasian-Basal 8.06
5 Ancestral_North_Indian 1.98
6 Uralic 1.92
7 Ancestral_Sami-Finnic 1.46
8 African_Sub_Saharian 0.91
9 Melano-Austronesian 0.54
10 Amerindian 0.21
11 Ancestral_South_Indian 0.18
12 Circumpolar 0.15

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarian 4.86
2 Bosnian 6.19
3 Croat 6.24
4 Austrian 6.37
5 Serb_BH 6.41
6 Croat_BH 6.67
7 Slovenian 7.44
8 Croatian 7.58
9 Serb_Serbia 10.65
10 South-German 10.85
11 Czech 11.48
12 Russian_South 12.2
13 Mixed_European 12.44
14 Montenegrian 12.72
15 Slovak 13.35
16 German 13.4
17 Bulgarian 15.72
18 Icelandic 15.86
19 North_German 16.19
20 Macedonian 16.25

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 73.2% Croat + 26.8% Icelandic @ 2.43
2 66.9% German + 33.1% Kosovar @ 2.54
3 73.7% Bosnian + 26.3% Icelandic @ 2.67
4 73% Serb_BH + 27% Icelandic @ 2.76
5 93.6% Hungarian + 6.4% Turkish_Adana @ 2.8
6 66.4% Macedonian + 33.6% Loshbour @ 2.8
7 75.8% Bosnian + 24.2% N._European @ 2.81
8 91% Hungarian + 9% Azov_Greek @ 2.81
9 55% German + 45% Macedonian @ 2.84
10 93.7% Hungarian + 6.3% Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.86
11 94.8% Hungarian + 5.2% Turkish_Trabzon @ 2.86
12 95.1% Hungarian + 4.9% Georgian_Laz @ 2.86
13 82.3% Bosnian + 17.7% Scottish_Argyll @ 2.88
14 83.4% Croatian + 16.6% Toscani @ 2.88
15 94.3% Hungarian + 5.7% Armenian_Yerevan @ 2.89
16 79.2% Bosnian + 20.8% Welsh @ 2.9
17 65.6% Bosnian + 34.4% South-German @ 2.9
18 80.6% Bosnian + 19.4% Cornish @ 2.91
19 50.7% Croat + 49.3% Austrian @ 2.91
20 81.7% Serb_BH + 18.3% Scottish_Argyll @ 2.91

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Croatian + Kosovar + N._European + Ukrainian @ 1.945258
2 Kosovar + Serb_Serbia + Swede + Ukrainian @ 1.980183
3 Center-Russian + Macedonian + Macedonian + Scottish_Argyll @ 2.033435
4 Central-Greek + Croatian + Lithuanian + N._European @ 2.038606
5 Kosovar + Montenegrian + Swede + Ukrainian @ 2.046906
6 Belgian + Croatian + Kosovar + Ukrainian @ 2.047318
7 Croat + Croatian + Gagauz + Swede @ 2.054364
8 Croatian + Croatian + Icelandic + Serb_Serbia @ 2.056923
9 Belgian + Croatian + Greek + Ukrainian @ 2.061204
10 Belarusian + Macedonian + Macedonian + Scottish_Argyll @ 2.072596
11 Cornish + Macedonian + Serb_Serbia + South-Russian @ 2.080444
12 Center-Russian + Cornish + Macedonian + Macedonian @ 2.082492
13 Croatian + Greek + N._European + Ukrainian @ 2.082697
14 Croat + Croat + Gagauz + Swede @ 2.089025
15 Croatian + Macedonian + Serb_Serbia + Swede @ 2.091693
16 Cornish + Gagauz + Pole + Serb_Serbia @ 2.093283
17 Croatian + French + Gagauz + Ukrainian @ 2.095298
18 Belgian + Central-Greek + Croatian + Pole @ 2.098758
19 Croat + Croatian + Gagauz + Swede @ 2.100982
20 Cornish + Macedonian + Serb_Serbia + Ukrainian @ 2.103615



Well if anything, Hungarian still shows up as my top population in single sharing.

Táltos
09-06-2014, 03:36 AM
Here is my Mom's.
1 Ancestral_East_European_ANE 30.4
2 Ancestral_Mediterranean_EEF 30.07
3 West_European_HG 19.13
4 Caucasian-Basal 13.85
5 Ancestral_North_Indian 4.16
6 Ancestral_Sami-Finnic 1.12
7 Circumpolar 0.46
8 African_Sub_Saharian 0.46
9 Ancestral_South_Indian 0.37

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kosovar 11.58
2 Italian_Piedmont 12.53
3 Greek 12.68
4 Occitan 13.16
5 Romanian 13.44
6 Gagauz 13.66
7 Macedonian 14.05
8 Toscani 14.06
9 North_Italian 14.17
10 South_Greek 14.56
11 Bulgarian 14.81
12 Montenegrian 15.43
13 Central-Greek 16.45
14 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 17.09
15 North_Greek 17.14
16 Corsican 17.57
17 Serb_Serbia 17.96
18 Spanish_Extremadura 18.29
19 Portugese 18.36
20 Italian_Abruzzo 18.85

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 64.4% Central-Greek + 35.6% Cornish @ 3.73
2 62.7% Central-Greek + 37.3% Welsh @ 3.75
3 67.8% Central-Greek + 32.2% Orcadian @ 4.01
4 69.2% Central-Greek + 30.8% Norwegian @ 4.04
5 61.3% Central-Greek + 38.7% Belgian @ 4.05
6 59.9% Central-Greek + 40.1% N._European @ 4.13
7 64.5% Central-Greek + 35.5% CEU @ 4.18
8 64.3% Central-Greek + 35.7% British_Kent @ 4.27
9 53% Belgian + 47% Cretan @ 4.4
10 69.5% Central-Greek + 30.5% British @ 4.43
11 67.4% Central-Greek + 32.6% Scottish_Argyll @ 4.44
12 63.6% North_Greek + 36.4% Cornish @ 4.44
13 55.8% Central-Greek + 44.2% Icelandic @ 4.48
14 61.9% North_Greek + 38.1% Welsh @ 4.55
15 54.5% N._European + 45.5% Cretan @ 4.6
16 57% N._European + 43% Greek-Islands @ 4.62
17 55.5% Belgian + 44.5% Greek-Islands @ 4.63
18 67.1% North_Greek + 32.9% Orcadian @ 4.8
19 54.5% Central-Greek + 45.5% French @ 4.82
20 51.4% Welsh + 48.6% Cretan @ 4.85


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Lezgin + Mixed_East_Slav + Sardinian + Spain_BASC @ 1.713503
2 Lezgin + Sardinian + Sorbs + Spanish_Valencia @ 1.727457
3 Lezgin + Sardinian + Spain_BASC + Ukrainian @ 1.727638
4 Lezgin + Pole + Sardinian + Spanish_Valencia @ 1.767673
5 Lezgin + Sardinian + Spain_BASC + Ukranian @ 1.807060
6 Lezgin + Sardinian + Sorbs + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.845301
7 Lezgin + Pole + Sardinian + Spain_BASC @ 1.854307
8 Don_cossack + Lezgin + Sardinian + Spain_BASC @ 1.897510
9 Lezgin + Sardinian + Sorbs + Spaniards @ 1.949736
10 Lak + Sardinian + Sorbs + Spanish_Valencia @ 1.968697
11 Lezgin + Pole + Sardinian + Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.024771
12 Lezgin + Sardinian + Sorbs + Spain_BASC @ 2.033987
13 Lezgin + Sardinian + Spanish_Cataluna + Ukranian @ 2.043669
14 Sardinian + Sorbs + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Tabassaran @ 2.051753
15 Lezgin + Sardinian + Sorbs + Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.052598
16 Lak + Sardinian + Spain_BASC + Ukranian @ 2.052866
17 Lezgin + Sardinian + Sorbs + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.055027
18 Lezgin + Pole + Sardinian + Spaniards @ 2.063721
19 Lezgin + Mixed_East_Slav + Sardinian + Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.093187
20 Sardinian + Sorbs + Spanish_Valencia + Tabassaran @ 2.096546


I think her 4 oracle results look odd.

Invisible Sun
09-06-2014, 09:57 PM
My results.
I think that both ANE and SSA are too high (the latter is more than 3x compared to 23andme and other Gedmatch calculators results), and I would expect more Near East Basal. Overall a bit too Northern, I mean, nearer to Piedmontese than Sicilian people?


# Population Percent
1 Ancestral_Mediterranean_EEF 38.85
2 Ancestral_East_European_ANE 21.49
3 Caucasian-Basal 18.21
4 West_European_HG 15.54
5 African_Sub_Saharian 3.1
6 Ancestral_North_Indian 2.33
7 Circumpolar 0.24
8 Ancestral_Sami-Finnic 0.11
9 Archaic_African 0.06
10 Near-East-Basal 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Central-Greek 7.43
2 Toscani 7.79
3 Italian_Abruzzo 8.05
4 North_Greek 9.45
5 Greek 10.6
6 South_Greek 10.68
7 Italian_Piedmont 11.25
8 Sicilian 11.73
9 Kosovar 11.84
10 Romanian_Jew 13.76
11 North_Italian 15.24
12 Cretan 16.54
13 Corsican 16.68
14 Azov_Greek 17.02
15 Ashkenazy_Jew 17.84
16 Greek-Islands 18.84
17 Gagauz 18.95
18 Crimean_Tatar 20.11
19 Sephardic_Jew 20.48
20 Romanian 20.74

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 72.2% Toscani + 27.8% Azov_Greek @ 4.54
2 83.5% Italian_Piedmont + 16.5% Georgian_Laz @ 4.58
3 53% North_Italian + 47% Azov_Greek @ 4.77
4 51.9% Central-Greek + 48.1% Toscani @ 4.78
5 81.5% Italian_Piedmont + 18.5% Turkish_Trabzon @ 4.86
6 50.5% Corsican + 49.5% Azov_Greek @ 4.88
7 61.7% Italian_Piedmont + 38.3% Azov_Greek @ 4.91
8 55% Mixed_East_European + 45% Sardinian @ 5.03
9 77.5% Italian_Piedmont + 22.5% Turkish_Kayseri @ 5.1
10 86.4% Italian_Piedmont + 13.6% Georgian_Imereti @ 5.15
11 72.2% North_Italian + 27.8% Armenian_Yerevan @ 5.19
12 78.9% Italian_Piedmont + 21.1% Armenian_Yerevan @ 5.19
13 70.7% North_Italian + 29.3% Turkish_Kayseri @ 5.26
14 86.2% Italian_Piedmont + 13.8% Georgian @ 5.3
15 88.1% Central-Greek + 11.9% French_Basque @ 5.37
16 58% Toscani + 42% North_Greek @ 5.39
17 86% Italian_Piedmont + 14% Abhkasian @ 5.43
18 86.1% Toscani + 13.9% Turkish_Kayseri @ 5.48
19 77.8% Toscani + 22.2% Crimean_Tatar @ 5.5
20 75.9% North_Italian + 24.1% Turkish_Trabzon @ 5.56


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Ancestral_Mediterranean_EEF 38.85
2 Ancestral_East_European_ANE 21.49
3 Caucasian-Basal 18.21
4 West_European_HG 15.54
5 African_Sub_Saharian 3.10
6 Ancestral_North_Indian 2.33


Finished reading population data. 474 populations found.
17 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Toscani @ 8.062324
2 Central-Greek @ 8.112111
3 Italian_Abruzzo @ 8.435340
4 North_Greek @ 10.283579
5 Italian_Piedmont @ 10.770168
6 South_Greek @ 11.202245
7 Greek @ 11.381063
8 Sicilian @ 11.852932
9 Kosovar @ 12.626106
10 Romanian_Jew @ 13.851317
11 North_Italian @ 14.991168
12 Azov_Greek @ 16.395021
13 Corsican @ 16.504618
14 Cretan @ 17.061001
15 Ashkenazy_Jew @ 17.398787
16 Greek-Islands @ 19.067375
17 Crimean_Tatar @ 19.568258
18 Gagauz @ 20.609264
19 Sephardic_Jew @ 20.813280
20 Occitan @ 21.602585

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Central-Greek +50% Toscani @ 4.779519


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Kosovar +25% Kumyk +25% Sardinian @ 3.997745


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 French_Jew + Georgian_Laz + Loshbour + Sardinian @ 3.513031
2 Croatian + Georgian_Laz + Italian_Piedmont + Sardinian @ 3.555486
3 Azov_Greek + Mixed_East_European + Sardinian + Toscani @ 3.725535
4 Georgian_Laz + Hungarian + Italian_Piedmont + Sardinian @ 3.729994
5 Georgian_Laz + Italian_Piedmont + Sardinian + Slovenian @ 3.730047
6 Austrian + Georgian_Laz + Kosovar + Sardinian @ 3.769419
7 Croat + Georgian_Laz + Italian_Piedmont + Sardinian @ 3.771825
8 Croatian + Georgian_Laz + North_Italian + Sardinian @ 3.799709
9 Georgian_Laz + Kosovar + Sardinian + South-German @ 3.805203
10 Georgian_Laz + Italian_Piedmont + Sardinian + Serb_BH @ 3.829556
11 Azov_Greek + Italian_Piedmont + Mixed_East_European + Sardinian @ 3.831411
12 Georgian_Laz + Sardinian + Slovak + Toscani @ 3.833952
13 Georgian_Laz + North_Italian + Sardinian + Serb_BH @ 3.834104
14 Croat + Georgian_Laz + North_Italian + Sardinian @ 3.854653
15 Croatian + Georgian_Laz + Sardinian + Toscani @ 3.882069
16 Georgian_Laz + Occitan + Russian_South + Sardinian @ 3.885336
17 Czech + Georgian_Laz + Sardinian + Toscani @ 3.909963
18 Adygei + French_Jew + North_German + Sardinian @ 3.922199
19 Bosnian + Georgian_Laz + North_Italian + Sardinian @ 3.927118
20 Croat_BH + Georgian_Laz + Italian_Piedmont + Sardinian @ 3.929072

ZephyrousMandaru
09-06-2014, 11:38 PM
Vadim, I believe there is something wrong with this version of your Ancient Roots K=17 test. For some odd reason, no Middle Eastern population I have ran the calculator with, be they Assyrian, Iranian, Kurdish, Iraqi Mandaean or Palestinian scores any membership in your "Near-East-Basal" cluster whatsoever. Are there any populations in your datasheet that register any percentage of this component? I think the main reason why the genetic distances between our top population listings are so great, is because this portion of our genetic ancestry isn't being accounted for.

Is there any way to resolve this issue?

MasterRoshi
09-07-2014, 12:29 AM
I somehow assume "Basal Near Eastern" will show up in Arabians.

ZephyrousMandaru
09-07-2014, 01:13 AM
I somehow assume "Basal Near Eastern" will show up in Arabians.

If that is the case, why hasn't it appeared in Palestinians? Palestinians cluster quite closely to Bedouins.

Dr_McNinja
09-07-2014, 01:44 AM
You can use the Oracle to check by giving Basal Near Eastern 100% and everything else 0%.

ZephyrousMandaru
09-07-2014, 02:03 AM
You can use the Oracle to check by giving Basal Near Eastern 100% and everything else 0%.

How do I do this?

StarDS9
09-08-2014, 12:12 AM
I have seen results of 2 Ezidi Kurds of K17 and both of them have 22% North Indian Component, nearly 4 percent higher the rest of the Kurdish results I have seen. Both also had 4-5% East Euro_ANE as well. Out of all the Kurds the Ezidi seem to be most South Central Asian shifted, could this be connection with the Mittani or another explanation?

MasterRoshi
09-08-2014, 12:49 AM
I have seen results of 2 Ezidi Kurds of K17 and both of them have 22% North Indian Component, nearly 4 percent higher the rest of the Kurdish results I have seen. Both also had 4-5% East Euro_ANE as well. Out of all the Kurds the Ezidi seem to be most South Central Asian shifted, could this be connection with the Mittani or another explanation?

Just coincidence. Other Yezidi score generally in line with their other Kurdish neighbors.

StarDS9
09-08-2014, 12:58 AM
Just coincidence. Other Yezidi score generally in line with their other Kurdish neighbors.

I have only seen 2 Ezidi results. One I know of Gedmatch and the other from another forum. Did not know there was more who have Automosal DNA tested.

MasterRoshi
09-08-2014, 04:23 PM
I have only seen 2 Ezidi results. One I know of Gedmatch and the other from another forum. Did not know there was more who have Automosal DNA tested.

Allot of Yezidis tend to cluster with Eastern Kurds but most of them would probably cluster just among the Kurdish population they live in. I knew of one Yezidi Kurd who clustered in Duhok on Global Maps.

StarDS9
09-08-2014, 04:39 PM
Allot of Yezidis tend to cluster with Eastern Kurds but most of them would probably cluster just among the Kurdish population they live in. I knew of one Yezidi Kurd who clustered in Duhok on Global Maps.

Found out there are 3 Ezidis who have done DNA test. 2 seem more like Eastern Kurds and the 3rd more like Southern Kurds.

Humanist
09-08-2014, 04:58 PM
I knew of one Yezidi Kurd who clustered in Duhok on Global Maps.

Can you refer me to the particular "global maps" in question?

MfA
09-08-2014, 05:00 PM
Found out there are 3 Ezidis who have done DNA test. 2 seem more like Eastern Kurds and the 3rd more like Southern Kurds.

I have only 2 samples, I guess it is same for Palisto as well. Who is the other one?

StarDS9
09-08-2014, 05:23 PM
I have only 2 samples, I guess it is same for Palisto as well. Who is the other one?

I'll PM you.

StarDS9
09-08-2014, 05:32 PM
PM with MfA has revealed there are only 2, not 3 as I thought.

MasterRoshi
09-08-2014, 06:49 PM
Can you refer me to the particular "global maps" in question?

It's the maps of Palisto where he uses Kurds as refference population too, while on McDonald Maps they lack.

MasterRoshi
09-08-2014, 06:50 PM
PM with MfA has revealed there are only 2, not 3 as I thought.


I think 2 individuals are far too small to take any conclusion out of them, but than these two samples turn out very (South)eastern Kurdish

Barellalee
09-08-2014, 07:49 PM
I was wondering about this. My mother is Italian American, and obviously my X Chromosome is from her since I'm male. She's 50% Tuscan (West-Central), 25% Abruzzese (Southeast), and 25% Campanian (Southwest). My gedmatch no is m213249. On 23and me my X is mostly Nonspecific Southern European, largely Italian, and a tiny piece Nonspecific European in Conservative. On both Speculative and Standard, the X is mostly Italian and a portion Nonspecific Southern European. Yet in Speculative only that tiny Nonspecific European fragment is Nonspecific Northern European. In the last 500 years, my mother nearly certainly had no Northern European ancestry. I've traced her lines back to roughly early 15th Centuries. At that point, ALL the lines were still situated in the same Regions, save one Campanian line was Provincially further southwest and one Tuscan line was Provincially further southeast. Any ideas on a possible explanation for this? I will state that while all sides are mostly dark/Mediterranean in appearance, there is random scattered blond hair, red hair, green eyes and blue eyes in the Tuscan side. My mother is 50% Tuscan, and 25% of that side came from the Apuan Alps region, near the Ligure border.

Alpine Hominin
09-09-2014, 12:15 AM
I ran my results again and the results are different.

Oracle:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Ancestral_East_European_ANE 44.96
2 West_European_HG 27.21
3 Ancestral_Mediterranean_EEF 15.41
4 Caucasian-Basal 4.7
5 Ancestral_Sami-Finnic 1.69
6 Uralic 1.61
7 Ancestral_West_Siberian 0.83
8 Ancestral_North_Indian 0.8
9 African_Sub_Saharian 0.7
10 Ancestral_South_Indian 0.52
11 Archaic_African 0.49
12 Near-East-Basal 0.49
13 Amerindian 0.27
14 Ancestral_East_Siberian 0.25
15 Circumpolar 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South-German 4.47
2 Belgian 4.66
3 N._European 4.94
4 Welsh 7.33
5 CEU 7.44
6 Icelandic 8.08
7 Mixed_European 8.12
8 Mixed_German 8.71
9 Austrian 9.04
10 Cornish 9.2
11 British_Kent 9.29
12 Icelandic 9.36
13 North_German 9.95
14 French 12.16
15 Scottish_Argyll 12.41
16 Orcadian 12.95
17 Swede 13.64
18 Hungarian 14.89
19 Swede 15.44
20 Norwegian 16.06

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 72% Swede + 28% Corsican @ 1.99
2 60.5% Mixed_European + 39.5% French @ 2.24
3 66.8% South-German + 33.2% Icelandic @ 2.25
4 81.5% Mixed_European + 18.5% French_Basque @ 2.29
5 64.1% N._European + 35.9% Mixed_European @ 2.32
6 70.2% Swede + 29.8% North_Italian @ 2.33
7 81.9% Belgian + 18.1% Croatian @ 2.35
8 62.5% Swede + 37.5% Occitan @ 2.37
9 76.3% South-German + 23.7% Scottish_Argyll @ 2.4
10 51.4% South-German + 48.6% Belgian @ 2.4
11 73.7% Welsh + 26.3% Croat_BH @ 2.41
12 65.2% South-German + 34.8% CEU @ 2.43
13 73.4% CEU + 26.6% Croat_BH @ 2.47
14 73.6% Welsh + 26.4% Croat @ 2.48
15 68.8% Belgian + 31.2% Austrian @ 2.48
16 68.6% Cornish + 31.4% Croat_BH @ 2.5
17 80.2% N._European + 19.8% German @ 2.5
18 66.9% Swede + 33.1% Portugese @ 2.5
19 81.2% South-German + 18.8% Norwegian @ 2.53
20 79% Belgian + 21% Hungarian @ 2.56


Oracle 4:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Ancestral_East_European_ANE 44.96
2 West_European_HG 27.21
3 Ancestral_Mediterranean_EEF 15.41
4 Caucasian-Basal 4.70
5 Ancestral_Sami-Finnic 1.69
6 Uralic 1.61


Finished reading population data. 474 populations found.
17 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 South-German @ 4.605853
2 Belgian @ 5.008649
3 N._European @ 5.157285
4 CEU @ 7.766913
5 Welsh @ 8.015844
6 Icelandic @ 8.039440
7 Mixed_German @ 8.386913
8 Mixed_European @ 8.961120
9 British_Kent @ 9.584046
10 Cornish @ 9.886362
11 Austrian @ 9.888048
12 Icelandic @ 9.988547
13 North_German @ 10.468635
14 Scottish_Argyll @ 12.515326
15 French @ 12.708501
16 Orcadian @ 13.250425
17 Swede @ 13.596915
18 Swede @ 14.794936
19 Hungarian @ 16.752821
20 Norwegian @ 16.866571

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Belgian +50% South-German @ 2.178390


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Scottish_Argyll +25% Spanish_Valencia +25% Ukranian @ 1.344113


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Croatian + Scottish_Argyll + Spaniards + Swede @ 1.022064
2 Czech + Portugese + Scottish_Argyll + Swede @ 1.068763
3 Croatian + Portugese + Scottish_Argyll + Swede @ 1.091363
4 German + Portugese + Scottish_Argyll + Swede @ 1.143070
5 British_Kent + German + Portugese + Swede @ 1.215584
6 Croatian + Scottish_Argyll + Spanish_Extremadura + Swede @ 1.219449
7 German + North_German + Scottish_Argyll + Spaniards @ 1.223698
8 Mixed_CEU + Mixed_European + Scottish_Argyll + Spaniards @ 1.225917
9 British_Kent + German + Spaniards + Swede @ 1.231675
10 German + North_German + Portugese + Scottish_Argyll @ 1.237327
11 British_Kent + German + Portugese + Swede @ 1.239362
12 Corsican + Mixed_CEU + Scottish_Argyll + Swede @ 1.239544
13 Portugese + Scottish_Argyll + Slovenian + Swede @ 1.241891
14 British_Kent + Don_cossack + Scottish_Argyll + Spaniards @ 1.244607
15 German + Mixed_European + Scottish_Argyll + Spanish_Cataluna @ 1.250042
16 German + Scottish_Argyll + Spanish_Valencia + Swede @ 1.251629
17 British + German + Mixed_European + Portugese @ 1.252506
18 Croatian + Scottish_Argyll + Spanish_Valencia + Swede @ 1.256922
19 Croatian + Scottish_Argyll + Spaniards + Swede @ 1.282825
20 German + Mixed_European + Scottish_Argyll + Spaniards @ 1.284625

Done.

Dimanto
09-09-2014, 04:19 PM
Thank you for sharing your kitnumber !


I was wondering about this. My mother is Italian American, and obviously my X Chromosome is from her since I'm male. She's 50% Tuscan (West-Central), 25% Abruzzese (Southeast), and 25% Campanian (Southwest). My gedmatch no is m213249. On 23and me my X is mostly Nonspecific Southern European, largely Italian, and a tiny piece Nonspecific European in Conservative. On both Speculative and Standard, the X is mostly Italian and a portion Nonspecific Southern European. Yet in Speculative only that tiny Nonspecific European fragment is Nonspecific Northern European. In the last 500 years, my mother nearly certainly had no Northern European ancestry. I've traced her lines back to roughly early 15th Centuries. At that point, ALL the lines were still situated in the same Regions, save one Campanian line was Provincially further southwest and one Tuscan line was Provincially further southeast. Any ideas on a possible explanation for this? I will state that while all sides are mostly dark/Mediterranean in appearance, there is random scattered blond hair, red hair, green eyes and blue eyes in the Tuscan side. My mother is 50% Tuscan, and 25% of that side came from the Apuan Alps region, near the Ligure border.

Agamemnon
09-09-2014, 04:52 PM
My results on Gedmatch:

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 11.89
2 Kosovar 12.27
3 Macedonian 12.37
4 Occitan 12.67
5 Gagauz 12.85
6 Bulgarian 13
7 Montenegrian 13.24
8 Greek 13.71
9 Italian_Piedmont 14.13
10 North_Italian 15.24
11 Serb_Serbia 15.49
12 South_Greek 15.69
13 Toscani 16.41
14 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 17.15
15 French 17.71
16 Spanish_Extremadura 17.94
17 Portugese 18.2
18 Icelandic 18.21
19 Central-Greek 18.38
20 North_Greek 18.84

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 54.3% Central-Greek + 45.7% N._European @ 2.96
2 56.1% Central-Greek + 43.9% Belgian @ 3.27
3 58% Central-Greek + 42% Welsh @ 3.45
4 53.7% North_Greek + 46.3% N._European @ 3.49
5 74.6% Kosovar + 25.4% British @ 3.59
6 59.7% Central-Greek + 40.3% CEU @ 3.63
7 67.1% Greek + 32.9% Cornish @ 3.68
8 55.5% North_Greek + 44.5% Belgian @ 3.68
9 57.4% North_Greek + 42.6% Welsh @ 3.71
10 60.4% Kosovar + 39.6% Icelandic @ 3.74
11 70% Greek + 30% Scottish_Argyll @ 3.74
12 65.3% Greek + 34.7% Welsh @ 3.75
13 60% Central-Greek + 40% Cornish @ 3.75
14 50.2% Icelandic + 49.8% Central-Greek @ 3.77
15 72.5% Kosovar + 27.5% Scottish_Argyll @ 3.77
16 70.6% Greek + 29.4% Orcadian @ 3.78
17 72.3% Greek + 27.7% British @ 3.81
18 59.4% North_Greek + 40.6% Cornish @ 3.87
19 73.1% Kosovar + 26.9% Orcadian @ 3.94
20 57.5% Greek + 42.5% Icelandic @ 3.95

Dimanto
09-09-2014, 04:57 PM
http://postimg.org/image/aa9f720ax/ This is mine

http://postimg.org/image/u3gxm0oax/ This is yours in k=13


I was wondering about this. My mother is Italian American, and obviously my X Chromosome is from her since I'm male. She's 50% Tuscan (West-Central), 25% Abruzzese (Southeast), and 25% Campanian (Southwest). My gedmatch no is m213249. On 23and me my X is mostly Nonspecific Southern European, largely Italian, and a tiny piece Nonspecific European in Conservative. On both Speculative and Standard, the X is mostly Italian and a portion Nonspecific Southern European. Yet in Speculative only that tiny Nonspecific European fragment is Nonspecific Northern European. In the last 500 years, my mother nearly certainly had no Northern European ancestry. I've traced her lines back to roughly early 15th Centuries. At that point, ALL the lines were still situated in the same Regions, save one Campanian line was Provincially further southwest and one Tuscan line was Provincially further southeast. Any ideas on a possible explanation for this? I will state that while all sides are mostly dark/Mediterranean in appearance, there is random scattered blond hair, red hair, green eyes and blue eyes in the Tuscan side. My mother is 50% Tuscan, and 25% of that side came from the Apuan Alps region, near the Ligure border.

Agamemnon
09-09-2014, 05:07 PM
http://postimg.org/image/aa9f720ax/ This is mine

http://postimg.org/image/u3gxm0oax/ This is yours in k=13

Here's what I get with K13 (the Danish & SW English fits are spot on, the SE English & German ones are unrealistic and should be replaced by SW English in a perfect world):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 33.82
2 East_Med 18.32
3 West_Med 16.89
4 Baltic 16.08
5 West_Asian 8.39
6 Red_Sea 3.46
7 South_Asian 2.53
8 Northeast_African 0.32
9 East_Asian 0.15
10 Oceanian 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Italian 9.36
2 French 11.08
3 Romanian 11.61
4 Tuscan 11.62
5 Portuguese 11.82
6 Serbian 12.06
7 Spanish_Galicia 12.83
8 Spanish_Cataluna 12.95
9 Spanish_Extremadura 13.01
10 Bulgarian 13.39
11 Spanish_Murcia 13.5
12 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 13.68
13 Spanish_Valencia 14.16
14 Spanish_Andalucia 15.03
15 Austrian 15.06
16 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 15.49
17 Hungarian 16.27
18 Spanish_Cantabria 16.62
19 German 17.77
20 Southwest_French 17.93

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 50.5% Southwest_English + 49.5% Ashkenazi @ 1.89
2 56.1% Dutch + 43.9% Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.25
3 51.5% Ashkenazi + 48.5% West_Scottish @ 2.29
4 51.2% Ashkenazi + 48.8% Irish @ 2.34
5 50.1% Danish + 49.9% South_Italian @ 2.36
6 60.2% German + 39.8% Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.36
7 52.4% Southeast_English + 47.6% Ashkenazi @ 2.43
8 51.7% Dutch + 48.3% South_Italian @ 2.52
9 63.7% Southeast_English + 36.3% Cyprian @ 2.52
10 79% French + 21% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.56
11 52.6% South_Italian + 47.4% Norwegian @ 2.67
12 50.3% Ashkenazi + 49.7% Orcadian @ 2.7
13 55.8% German + 44.2% South_Italian @ 2.72
14 52.5% Southeast_English + 47.5% South_Italian @ 2.75
15 67.2% Southeast_English + 32.8% Samaritan @ 2.86
16 50.1% South_Italian + 49.9% Orcadian @ 2.87
17 51.9% Norwegian + 48.1% Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.87
18 50.1% Ashkenazi + 49.9% Danish @ 2.89
19 54.6% Danish + 45.4% Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.93
20 57.1% Southeast_English + 42.9% Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.99

BalkanKiwi
09-10-2014, 11:44 AM
These are my updated results. It's probably more accurate as it captures my Croatian as the other one didn't. My known ancestry is Croatian, Polish, Maori, English, Scottish and Irish.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Ancestral_East_European_ANE 46.29
2 West_European_HG 21.28
3 Ancestral_Mediterranean_EEF 18.79
4 Caucasian-Basal 7.95
5 Melano-Austronesian 1.59
6 Ancestral_Sami-Finnic 1.35
7 Ancestral_South_Indian 1.30

Using 1 population approximation:
1 South-German @ 4.621818
2 Austrian @ 4.746455
3 Mixed_European @ 9.407570
4 Icelandic @ 11.252510
5 Hungarian @ 11.332793
6 N._European @ 11.518003
7 Belgian @ 11.864468
8 North_German @ 12.826190
9 Slovenian @ 14.293104
10 Icelandic @ 14.490691
11 Mixed_German @ 14.780521
12 Bosnian @ 14.820604
13 Croat_BH @ 14.928084
14 CEU @ 14.937269
15 Croat @ 14.960279
16 Serb_BH @ 14.991775
17 Welsh @ 15.013764
18 Serb_Serbia @ 15.288681
19 Montenegrian @ 15.638267
20 Croatian @ 15.672069

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% CEU +50% Serb_Serbia @ 2.893802


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% British_Kent +25% Croat_BH +25% Serb_Serbia @ 2.279990


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 French_Basque + Mixed_East_European + Mixed_Slav + N._European @ 2.179781
2 Belgian + French_Basque + Mixed_East_European + Mixed_Slav @ 2.227421
3 British + Kosovar + Loshbour + Macedonian @ 2.230156
4 Belgian + Bosnian + British_Kent + Serb_Serbia @ 2.237964
5 Belgian + Bosnian + British_Kent + Montenegrian @ 2.250784
6 Bosnian + British_Kent + British_Kent + Serb_Serbia @ 2.250860
7 British_Kent + British_Kent + Croat_BH + Serb_Serbia @ 2.279990
8 Bosnian + British_Kent + CEU + Serb_Serbia @ 2.287796
9 British_Kent + British_Kent + Croat + Serb_Serbia @ 2.296759
10 Belgian + British_Kent + Bulgarian + Slovenian @ 2.306877
11 British_Kent + Czech + Mixed_CEU + Toscani @ 2.307270
12 Belgian + British_Kent + Croat + Montenegrian @ 2.323850
13 Cornish + Montenegrian + Montenegrian + Swede @ 2.337897
14 Bosnian + British_Kent + CEU + Montenegrian @ 2.339087
15 Cornish + Montenegrian + Montenegrian + Swede @ 2.341339
16 British + Mixed_European + Montenegrian + Serb_Serbia @ 2.353173
17 CEU + Montenegrian + Montenegrian + Swede @ 2.355816
18 Bosnian + British_Kent + Serb_Serbia + Welsh @ 2.359289
19 Belgian + British_Kent + Czech + Gagauz @ 2.359644
20 British_Kent + Montenegrian + Montenegrian + Swede @ 2.364851

Wolfie
09-10-2014, 01:43 PM
Here are my results. I ran it the first time the other day, and I swear I saw Roma somewhere on the list then. Has the calculator been updated in the past few days?

Population
Caucasian-Basal 6.16%
Melano-Austronesian 0.17%
Uralic 0.89%
Ancestral_East_Siberian -
Ancestral_West_Siberian 0.96%
Ancestral_North_Indian 1.43%
Ancestral_South_Indian 1.43%
West_European_HG 26.83%
Ancestral_Sami-Finnic 0.66%
South_East_Asian -
Archaic_African -
Ancestral_Mediterranean_EEF 18.77%
Circumpolar 0.06%
Near-East-Basal -
Ancestral_East_European_ANE 41.53%
African_Sub_Saharian -
Amerindian 1.11%

MDLP World 'Ancient_Roots' Oracle


Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Ancestral_East_European_ANE 41.53
2 West_European_HG 26.83
3 Ancestral_Mediterranean_EEF 18.77
4 Caucasian-Basal 6.16
5 Ancestral_North_Indian 1.43
6 Ancestral_South_Indian 1.43
7 Amerindian 1.11
8 Ancestral_West_Siberian 0.96
9 Uralic 0.89
10 Ancestral_Sami-Finnic 0.66
11 Melano-Austronesian 0.17
12 Circumpolar 0.06
13 African_Sub_Saharian 0.02

Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 N._European 5.55
2 South-German 5.58
3 Belgian 6.6
4 Icelandic 8.31
5 French 8.46
6 Welsh 9.07
7 Austrian 9.73
8 CEU 10.43
9 Cornish 11.32
10 British_Kent 11.47
11 Icelandic 12.29
12 Mixed_European 12.29
13 Mixed_German 12.94
14 North_German 14.68
15 Scottish_Argyll 15.38
16 Hungarian 15.84
17 Orcadian 15.96
18 Occitan 17.68
19 Slovenian 18.57
20 Norwegian 18.59

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 61.4% South-German + 38.6% French @ 2.17
2 71.6% Welsh + 28.4% Macedonian @ 2.24
3 78.9% Belgian + 21.1% Romanian @ 2.34
4 53.7% French + 46.3% Austrian @ 2.37
5 81.4% South-German + 18.6% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.44
6 69.1% Welsh + 30.9% Montenegrian @ 2.46
7 80.7% Belgian + 19.3% Gagauz @ 2.46
8 86.2% South-German + 13.8% French_Basque @ 2.48
9 73.4% CEU + 26.6% Kosovar @ 2.5
10 82.3% N._European + 17.7% Romanian @ 2.51
11 81.8% French + 18.2% Mordovian @ 2.53
12 72.5% Welsh + 27.5% Romanian @ 2.57
13 82.5% South-German + 17.5% Spanish_Pais_Vasco @ 2.57
14 54.5% Norwegian + 45.5% Macedonian @ 2.58
15 78.5% Belgian + 21.5% Bulgarian @ 2.61
16 66.7% Cornish + 33.3% Macedonian @ 2.61
17 72% French + 28% German @ 2.61
18 83.1% Belgian + 16.9% Greek @ 2.61
19 71.8% Welsh + 28.2% Bulgarian @ 2.64
20 82.2% Belgian + 17.8% Kosovar @ 2.65

MDLP World 'Ancient_Roots' Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Ancestral_East_European_ANE 41.53
2 West_European_HG 26.83
3 Ancestral_Mediterranean_EEF 18.77
4 Caucasian-Basal 6.16
5 Ancestral_North_Indian 1.43
6 Ancestral_South_Indian 1.43
7 Amerindian 1.11

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 N._European @ 5.419938
2 South-German @ 6.102119
3 Belgian @ 6.623275
4 Icelandic @ 8.572152
5 French @ 9.159401
6 Welsh @ 9.200912
7 CEU @ 10.199681
8 Austrian @ 11.013560
9 British_Kent @ 11.305935
10 Cornish @ 11.443021
11 Icelandic @ 11.842431
12 Mixed_German @ 12.321157
13 Mixed_European @ 13.035993
14 Scottish_Argyll @ 14.891695
15 North_German @ 15.106635
16 Orcadian @ 15.691471
17 Occitan @ 17.606409
18 Hungarian @ 18.110725
19 Swede @ 18.568932
20 Norwegian @ 18.690554

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Austrian +50% French @ 2.444990


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Austrian +25% Scottish_Argyll +25% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.670244


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Bosnian + CEU + Scottish_Argyll + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.571778
2 Bosnian + British + N._European + Occitan @ 1.603872
3 British + Croat_BH + N._European + Occitan @ 1.612796
4 CEU + Hungarian + North_Italian + Scottish_Argyll @ 1.626376
5 Croat_BH + Occitan + Scottish_Argyll + Welsh @ 1.658372
6 Bosnian + Occitan + Scottish_Argyll + Welsh @ 1.666917
7 Austrian + Austrian + Scottish_Argyll + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.670244
8 Cornish + German + North_Italian + Welsh @ 1.687224
9 Montenegrian + Scottish_Argyll + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Swede @ 1.695627
10 Austrian + Austrian + British + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.698013
11 French + N._European + Scottish_Argyll + Serb_Serbia @ 1.705599
12 Mixed_European + North_Italian + Scottish_Argyll + South-German @ 1.717538
13 Belgian + Bosnian + Occitan + Scottish_Argyll @ 1.732228
14 British + Mixed_European + Serb_Serbia + Spanish_Cataluna @ 1.739751
15 Cornish + Cornish + German + Italian_Piedmont @ 1.739845
16 Cornish + Croat_BH + Occitan + Scottish_Argyll @ 1.746498
17 British + Macedonian + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Swede @ 1.746762
18 British_Kent + Cornish + Croat_BH + Occitan @ 1.748749
19 German + North_Italian + Welsh + Welsh @ 1.749553
20 Czech + North_Italian + Scottish_Argyll + Welsh @ 1.750684

dp
09-10-2014, 04:45 PM
it looks like a K=17 run.
dp :-)

ViktorL1
09-11-2014, 06:33 AM
I'm looking forward to seeing the Pomiri_Tajik autosomal results as well. I haven't seen much autosomal data for Pamiris. Will be interesting to see how they turn out.

Vadim Verenich
09-11-2014, 09:15 AM
To whom it may concern

I'd like to inform you that i have released a beta version of the fine-scale K27 calculato (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6n7iMc2P-yQd0hWR3YwSWRlMnM/edit?usp=sharing)r for public use.
At this moment, i don't have enough time to explain new methodology used in the design of K27 model - so now it will only suffice to say that i followed the guidelines for reducing the impact of the calculator effect (as described per Generalissimo Polako).

Dr_McNinja
09-11-2014, 11:03 AM
To whom it may concern

I'd like to inform you that i have released a beta version of the fine-scale K27 calculato (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6n7iMc2P-yQd0hWR3YwSWRlMnM/edit?usp=sharing)r for public use.
At this moment, i don't have enough time to explain new methodology used in the design of K27 model - so now it will only suffice to say that i followed the guidelines for reducing the impact of the calculator effect (as described per Generalissimo Polako).Can you elaborate on some of these components? Austroloid vs. Austronesian? Ancestral North Eurasian is based on MA-1?

Dr_McNinja
09-11-2014, 11:10 AM
Btw, there's a very low genotyping rate with FTDNA Family Finder raw data (~60-70%) but around 94% with 23andMe V3 and 80% with 23andMe V4.

Vadim Verenich
09-11-2014, 11:15 AM
Can you elaborate on some of these components? Austroloid vs. Austronesian? Ancestral North Eurasian is based on MA-1?

Sure, i'll elaborate more in all these components, when i'll have enough time, but meanwhile you can study the following graphs

2564
2565

Dr_McNinja
09-11-2014, 11:35 AM
Anyone remember the command to exclude populations from Oracle?

MfA
09-11-2014, 11:48 AM
.....

parasar
09-11-2014, 12:22 PM
Sure, i'll elaborate more in all these components, when i'll have enough time, but meanwhile you can study the following graphs

2564
2565

ANE is almost midway between ANI and ASI on the PCA consistent with the tree.
That could explain why ANE is virtually constant all across South Asia (with Tibeto-Burman, Austric, and some other very isolated exceptions).

icebreaker
09-11-2014, 12:43 PM
Here's mine:
----------------------------
FINAL ADMIXTURE PROPORTIONS:
----------------------------

0.32% Amerindian
3.04% Ancestral-North-Eurasian
17.04% Ancestral-North-Indian
0.38% Arctic
1.51% Ancestral-South-Indian
0.06% Austroloid
0.30% Austronesian
40.20% Caucasian
0.15% Archaic-Human
0.22% East-African
2.09% East-Siberian
9.36% European_Early_Farmers
0.11% Khoisan
0.48% Melano-Polinesian
0.18% Archaic-African
11.16% Near-East
1.74% North-African
0.42% Paleo-Siberian
0.20% African-Pygmy
3.06% South-East-Asian
0.15% Subsaharian
3.22% Altaic
4.61% European_Hunters_Gatherers

Oracle
1,] "Turkish_Adana" "4.3606"
[2,] "Turkish_Kayseri" "4.3619"
[3,] "Turks" "4.5725"
[4,] "Turk" "4.9413"
[5,] "Turkish_Istanbul" "6.867"
[6,] "Georgian_Jew" "7.5478"
[7,] "Turkish_Aydin" "7.5862"
[8,] "Turkish" "8.2505"
[9,] "Azeri" "8.3889"
[10,] "Uzbek_WGA" "9.1274"


[1,] "37.5% Kurds + 62.5% Turkish_Aydin" "2.6084"
[2,] "4.6% Kusunda + 95.4% Turkish_Kayseri" "2.7413"
[3,] "47.2% Azeri + 52.8% Turkish_Aydin" "2.7423"
[4,] "6% Nepalese + 94% Turkish_Kayseri" "2.7758"
[5,] "92% Turkish_Kayseri + 8% Uygur" "2.7993"
[6,] "90% Turkish_Kayseri + 10% Uzbek" "2.8048"
[7,] "3.8% Nysha + 96.2% Turkish_Kayseri" "2.8624"
[8,] "59.4% Turkish_Aydin + 40.6% Uzbekistan_Jew" "2.8688"
[9,] "4% Madou_Tibetian + 96% Turkish_Kayseri" "2.8747"
[10,] "4% TTR_Tibetian + 96% Turkish_Kayseri" "2.875"

NK19191
09-11-2014, 01:05 PM
Here is mine:


0.24% Amerindian
3.45% Ancestral-North-Eura
25.34% Ancestral-North-Indi
0.63% Arctic
5.71% Ancestral-South-Indi
0.40% Austroloid
0.25% Austronesian
35.18% Caucasian
0.21% Archaic-Human
0.30% East-African
0.45% East-Siberian
6.21% European_Early_Farme
0.05% Khoisan
0.55% Melano-Polinesian
0.05% Archaic-African
12.13% Near-East
1.72% North-African
0.26% Paleo-Siberian
0.26% African-Pygmy
1.08% South-East-Asian
0.06% Subsaharian
0.33% Altaiс
5.14% European_Hunters_Gat

Sangarius
09-11-2014, 02:18 PM
My and my grandparents admixture proportions:
http://abload.de/img/mdlpk23betacomparisonh6ka2.png


Our Oracle results:


My results:

[1,] "Turks" "3.4259"
[2,] "Turkish_Kayseri" "3.4664"
[3,] "Turk" "3.9715"
[4,] "Turkish_Istanbul" "4.9444"
[5,] "Azov_Greek" "6.4489"
[6,] "Georgian_Jew" "7.1046"
[7,] "Turkish_Adana" "7.3772"
[8,] "Turkish_Aydin" "8.6912"
[9,] "Turkish" "8.8945"
[10,] "Armenian" "8.9696"

[1,] "34.7% Armenian + 65.3% Turkish_Istanbul" "1.5601"
[2,] "31.9% Armenian_WGA + 68.1% Turkish_Istanbul" "1.7574"
[3,] "30.4% Assyrian_WGA + 69.6% Turkish_Istanbul" "1.9346"
[4,] "49.8% Armenian + 50.2% Turkish" "2.1883"
[5,] "7.3% 1_Gokhem5 + 92.7% Turkish_Kayseri" "2.2155"
[6,] "85.1% Turkish_Kayseri + 14.9% Turkish_Trabzon" "2.2405"
[7,] "53.2% Armenian + 46.8% Turkish_Balikesir" "2.325"
[8,] "32.1% Jew_Tat + 67.9% Turkish_Istanbul" "2.3895"
[9,] "50.3% Armenian_WGA + 49.7% Turkish_Balikesir" "2.4299"
[10,] "9.3% Georgian_Laz + 90.7% Turkish_Kayseri" "2.445"

Grandpa's results:

[1,] "Armenian" "4.6356"
[2,] "Armenian_WGA" "5.2951"
[3,] "Turkish_Trabzon" "6.2992"
[4,] "Assyrian_WGA" "7.5069"
[5,] "Kakheti" "8.4668"
[6,] "Jew_Tat" "10.8725"
[7,] "Uzbekistani_Jews" "11.0508"
[8,] "Georgian" "12.16"
[9,] "Turk" "12.3386"
[10,] "Adjara" "12.3705"


[1,] "24.5% Kurds + 75.5% Turkish_Trabzon" "1.7298"
[2,] "58.7% Armenian + 41.3% Turkish_Trabzon" "1.9033"
[3,] "78% Armenian + 22% Laz" "2.0281"
[4,] "77.7% Armenian + 22.3% Georgian_Laz" "2.1496"
[5,] "76.9% Turkish_Trabzon + 23.1% Uzbekistan_Jew" "2.2813"
[6,] "55.2% Armenian_WGA + 44.8% Turkish_Trabzon" "2.3978"
[7,] "23% Kurd + 77% Turkish_Trabzon" "2.4249"
[8,] "12.5% 1_Gokhem5 + 87.5% Armenian" "2.4476"
[9,] "18.6% Iranian + 81.4% Turkish_Trabzon" "2.5447"
[10,] "78.8% Armenian + 21.2% Georgian_Imereti" "2.5802"


Grandma's results:
[1,] "Armenian" "2.3514"
[2,] "Assyrian_WGA" "2.3572"
[3,] "Armenian_WGA" "2.6466"
[4,] "Jew_Tat" "5.936"
[5,] "Uzbekistani_Jews" "6.0526"
[6,] "Georgian_Jew" "8.5425"
[7,] "Turkish_Trabzon" "10.2459"
[8,] "Iraqi_Jew" "10.3106"
[9,] "Iranian_Jew" "10.5764"
[10,] "Turks" "10.7352"

[1,] "87.8% Armenian_WGA + 12.2% Christian-Arabs-Israel" "1.2375"
[2,] "84.2% Assyrian_WGA + 15.8% Turkish_Trabzon" "1.3896"
[3,] "50.1% Armenian + 49.9% Assyrian_WGA" "1.3916"
[4,] "49.2% Iranian_Jew + 50.8% Turkish_Trabzon" "1.4542"
[5,] "5.1% 1_Gokhem5 + 94.9% Assyrian_WGA" "1.6501"
[6,] "91% Armenian + 9% Christian-Arabs-Israel" "1.6654"
[7,] "87.7% Armenian_WGA + 12.3% Lebanese_Christian" "1.6747"
[8,] "47.5% Kurd_Jew + 52.5% Turkish_Trabzon" "1.6778"
[9,] "88.3% Armenian + 11.7% Druze" "1.7193"
[10,] "85.9% Armenian_WGA + 14.1% Druze" "1.7609"

Humanist
09-11-2014, 02:33 PM
My results:


42.77 Caucasian
19.4 Ancestral-North-Indian
18.85 Near-East
7.88 European_Early_Farmers
4.31 North-African
1.52 Ancestral-South-Indian
1.46 European_Hunters_Gatherers
1.33 Ancestral-North-Eurasian

0.43 Melano-Polinesian
0.39 Amerindian
0.28 Paleo-Siberian
0.27 AltaiÑ
0.25 East-African
0.17 Austroloid
0.13 Austronesian
0.13 African-Pygmy
0.1 Archaic-Human
0.1 East-Siberian
0.09 South-East-Asian
0.08 Arctic
0.04 Subsaharian
0.03 Khoisan
0.02 Archaic-African

jesus
09-11-2014, 02:45 PM
Thanks NK19191.


----------------------------
FINAL ADMIXTURE PROPORTIONS:
----------------------------

1.65% Amerindian
2.29% Ancestral-North-Eura
26.70% Ancestral-North-Indi
0.12% Arctic
8.43% Ancestral-South-Indi
0.55% Austroloid
0.28% Austronesian
27.71% Caucasian
0.22% Archaic-Human
2.27% East-African
0.08% East-Siberian
5.25% European_Early_Farme
0.77% Khoisan
0.47% Melano-Polinesian
0.99% Archaic-African
14.28% Near-East
4.17% North-African
0.24% Paleo-Siberian
0.13% African-Pygmy
0.05% South-East-Asian
1.52% Subsaharian
0.13% AltaiÑ
1.71% European_Hunters_Gat

MfA
09-11-2014, 03:01 PM
What's the "North African" component that we are all getting inflated amount? Is that the "Red Sea" like component or Maghreb related, I believe it is the former?


My and my grandparents admixture proportions:
http://abload.de/img/mdlpk23betacomparisonh6ka2.png

dat 0.02% Archaic Human

envy much:P

Dr_McNinja
09-11-2014, 03:04 PM
ANE is almost midway between ANI and ASI on the PCA consistent with the tree.
That could explain why ANE is virtually constant all across South Asia (with Tibeto-Burman, Austric, and some other very isolated exceptions).

ANI here is not quite Gedrosian, it peaks in Kalash.

MfA
09-11-2014, 03:09 PM
This is the oracle result of 100% North African



[1,] "Mozabite" "26.6009"
[2,] "Saharawi" "48.3178"
[3,] "Burbur_WGA" "49.3078"
[4,] "TUNISIA" "50.5505"
[5,] "Morocco_S" "58.4838"
[6,] "Kurd_WGA" "63.2142"
[7,] "Moroccans" "65.065"
[8,] "Algerian" "65.505"
[9,] "Shaigi_WGA" "66.1709"
[10,] "Tunisian" "71.15"
[11,] "Egyptian_Comas" "93.1594"
[12,] "1_Ajvide59" "93.5006"
[13,] "Egyptian_Metspalu" "94.404"
[14,] "Amhara" "94.706"
[15,] "Libyan_Jew" "95.0036"
[16,] "Tunisian_Jew" "95.3732"
[17,] "Spanish_Canarias_IBS" "95.3849"
[18,] "Moroccan_Jew" "97.6287"
[19,] "Tygray" "99.05"
[20,] "BedouinA" "99.1975"

evon
09-11-2014, 03:14 PM
Does anyone know how to get Oracle working in Linux?

Jusarius
09-11-2014, 03:39 PM
Mine:

0.60% Amerindian
7.66% Ancestral-North-Eura
1.55% Ancestral-North-Indi
0.15% Arctic
1.55% Ancestral-South-Indi
0.16% Austroloid
0.58% Austronesian
19.05% Caucasian
0.00% Archaic-Human
0.01% East-African
6.15% East-Siberian
8.43% European_Early_Farme
0.00% Khoisan
0.18% Melano-Polinesian
0.00% Archaic-African
0.21% Near-East
0.81% North-African
0.83% Paleo-Siberian
0.01% African-Pygmy
0.16% South-East-Asian
0.00% Subsaharian
0.58% Altaiс
51.32% European_Hunters_Gat

[1,] "Finn-East" "0"
[2,] "Finnish_FIN" "2.1301"
[3,] "Finn" "2.4485"
[4,] "Karelian" "5.3065"
[5,] "Vepsa" "6.8242"
[6,] "Finn-West" "7.0356"
[7,] "North-Russian" "7.6479"
[8,] "Russian" "8.1229"
[9,] "Tatar" "8.8929"
[10,] "Kryashen" "8.9958"

[1,] "Finn-East" "0"
[2,] "95.8% Finnish_FIN + 4.2% Udmurd" "1.6848"
[3,] "97.5% Finnish_FIN + 2.5% Mansi" "1.6884"
[4,] "97.9% Finnish_FIN + 2.1% Hant" "1.6971"
[5,] "5.4% Bashkir + 94.6% Finnish_FIN" "1.7182"
[6,] "97.8% Finnish_FIN + 2.2% Ket" "1.7215"
[7,] "97.8% Finnish_FIN + 2.2% Kets" "1.7351"
[8,] "94.7% Finnish_FIN + 5.3% Maris" "1.7385"
[9,] "97.9% Finnish_FIN + 2.1% Selkup" "1.7512"
[10,] "93.5% Finnish_FIN + 6.5% Saami" "1.7712"

Sangarius
09-11-2014, 03:49 PM
What's the "North African" component that we are all getting inflated amount? Is that the "Red Sea" like component or Maghreb related, I believe it is the former?

I also think it's rather "Red Sea" like admixture, "North African" doesn't make much sense.


dat 0.02% Archaic Human

envy much:P


I don't even know what that is. TheNihilist/Übermensch admixture? :p

Dr_McNinja
09-11-2014, 04:10 PM
I think there are too many ancient, modern, and hybrid populations/components together in the same test. ASI here is actually just modern South Indian which is a hybrid component halfway between the Caucasian and East Asian clusters. ANI is a modern South Central Asian component peaking in Kalash, a genetically drifted population that doesn't necessarily represent ANI. ANE is minimized because the other components have it within them.

I think rooting out ANE like David did in the new Eurogenes K7 makes sense since splitting up ANE into its constituent components is difficult without more ancient DNA sources. I'm not sure we can accurately gauge any of the ancient genomes other than ANE at this point and even ANE in these results is probably off from its absolute value but we can see which parts of the world it peaks in. The "ASE" component which was a side effect of his isolating ANE was interesting. I wonder how it would fare if one used zombies of that component in a test like this.

evon
09-11-2014, 04:19 PM
Our family:
http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af228/njal2010/Screenshotfrom2014-09-11181051.png

The Near East and North African numbers cant be right, i mean ive detected some minor North African % before, but nothing above 2%. Also the South East Asian is deflated as with the K17 ect, which makes me wonder what populations have been used contra Eurogenes and Dodecad in this regard? I think for most European populations, the huge number of clusters in non-European regions only lead to noise, which is evident here..Will run Oracle via my work laptop since it has windows..

MfA
09-11-2014, 04:53 PM
I also think it's rather "Red Sea" like admixture, "North African" doesn't make much sense.



I don't even know what that is. TheNihilist/Übermensch admixture? :p

See the oracle I posted at previous page, looks Maghrebi admixture.

I have Übermensch's genome, I should run that with this lol.
Edit:
0.19% Archaic-Human
wooot, he wasn't kidding afterall :p

evon
09-11-2014, 04:53 PM
Oracle:

Maternal Grandmother:

[1,] "Swede" "1.9446"
[2,] "Dutch" "3.5517"
[3,] "North_German" "3.6762"
[4,] "Swedish" "3.7524"
[5,] "Mixed_European" "3.9598"
[6,] "English" "4.8455"
[7,] "N._European" "5.3035"
[8,] "Icelandic" "5.4221"
[9,] "Belgian" "5.5409"
[10,] "Norwegian" "5.5625"


[1,] "27% Kuban_cossack + 73% Orcadian" "1.2103"
[2,] "3.3% Kurd_WGA + 96.7% Swede" "1.2404"
[3,] "97.4% Swede + 2.6% TUNISIA" "1.288"
[4,] "6.4% Spanish_Canarias_IBS + 93.6% Swede" "1.3062"
[5,] "3.3% Shaigi_WGA + 96.7% Swede" "1.313"
[6,] "2.4% Burbur_WGA + 97.6% Swede" "1.3455"
[7,] "2.7% Morocco_S + 97.3% Swede" "1.3561"
[8,] "1.7% Mozabite + 98.3% Swede" "1.3629"
[9,] "3.2% Algerian + 96.8% Swede" "1.3651"
[10,] "33% Finn-West + 67% N._European" "1.3998"

Shaigi (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/74/Shaigi_Girl_%281906%29_-_TIMEA.jpg) and Burbur?

Maternal Uncle:

[1,] "Swede" "3.0215"
[2,] "N._European" "3.4433"
[3,] "English" "3.7344"
[4,] "Norwegian" "3.8747"
[5,] "Icelandic" "3.9006"
[6,] "Belgian" "4.445"
[7,] "Dutch" "4.4658"
[8,] "North_German" "4.83"
[9,] "Mixed_German" "4.9919"
[10,] "Mixed_European" "5.2003"


[1,] "12.9% Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS + 87.1% Swede" "0.8559"
[2,] "11.2% Spanish_Valencia_IBS + 88.8% Swede" "0.9541"
[3,] "13.5% Spanish_Galicia_IBS + 86.5% Swede" "0.9575"
[4,] "10.5% Spanish_Cantabria_IBS + 89.5% Swede" "0.9615"
[5,] "10.4% Spanish_Aragon_IBS + 89.6% Swede" "0.9711"
[6,] "11.6% Spanish_Andalucia_IBS + 88.4% Swede" "0.988"
[7,] "10.7% Spanish_Castilla_la_Mancha_IBS + 89.3% Swede" "0.9988"
[8,] "12.5% Spanish_Murcia_IBS + 87.5% Swede" "1.0072"
[9,] "13.5% Spanish_Extremadura_IBS + 86.5% Swede" "1.0153"
[10,] "12.8% Spanish_Cataluna_IBS + 87.2% Swede" "1.0234"

First time ever my uncle goes west in Oracle me thinks..

Mother:

[1,] "Norwegian" "2.4413"
[2,] "Icelandic" "2.6936"
[3,] "N._European" "2.8771"
[4,] "English" "3.8734"
[5,] "Mixed_German" "3.9746"
[6,] "CEU" "4.0067"
[7,] "Belgian" "4.7158"
[8,] "Swede" "4.7256"
[9,] "Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR" "4.8228"
[10,] "English_Kent_GBR" "4.958"

Get more and more Norwegian ;)


[1,] "12.7% 1_Ajvide52 + 87.3% English_Kent_GBR" "0.6688"
[2,] "12.9% 1_Motala_merge + 87.1% English_Kent_GBR" "0.8844"
[3,] "12.9% 1_Motala12 + 87.1% English_Kent_GBR" "0.8916"
[4,] "9.1% Basque_French + 90.9% Swede" "0.8936"
[5,] "9.3% Basque_Spanish + 90.7% Swede" "0.9033"
[6,] "12.7% 1_Ajvide70 + 87.3% English_Kent_GBR" "0.9205"
[7,] "11.3% Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS + 88.7% Swede" "0.9801"
[8,] "14.1% 1_LaBrana + 85.9% English_Kent_GBR" "0.9907"
[9,] "12.8% 1_Ire8 + 87.2% English_Kent_GBR" "0.9972"
[10,] "8% 1_Skoglund_farmer + 92% Swede" "1.0027"

Me:

[1,] "Norwegian" "2.096"
[2,] "Icelandic" "2.3227"
[3,] "N._European" "2.764"
[4,] "CEU" "3.4805"
[5,] "Mixed_German" "3.7215"
[6,] "English" "4.036"
[7,] "Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR" "4.1218"
[8,] "Welsh" "4.5303"
[9,] "Orcadian" "4.5481"
[10,] "English_Kent_GBR" "4.7881"

Most Norwegian so far..


[1,] "9% 1_Skoglund_HG + 91% CEU" "0.8978"
[2,] "9.2% 1_Motala_merge + 90.8% CEU" "0.9344"
[3,] "9.2% 1_Motala12 + 90.8% CEU" "0.9363"
[4,] "10.1% 1_LaBrana + 89.9% CEU" "0.969"
[5,] "9.1% 1_Ire8 + 90.9% CEU" "1.0042"
[6,] "11.1% 1_Loschbour + 88.9% CEU" "1.0099"
[7,] "10.7% Basque_French + 89.3% Swede" "1.0143"
[8,] "11% Basque_Spanish + 89% Swede" "1.0317"
[9,] "8.9% 1_Ajvide70 + 91.1% CEU" "1.067"
[10,] "14.9% 1_Loschbour + 85.1% English_Kent_GBR" "1.0677"

Paternal Aunt:

[1,] "Norwegian" "3.1028"
[2,] "Icelandic" "3.5589"
[3,] "N._European" "3.9154"
[4,] "Mixed_German" "4.3918"
[5,] "CEU" "4.5388"
[6,] "English" "5.0748"
[7,] "English_Kent_GBR" "5.1518"
[8,] "Belgian" "5.2349"
[9,] "English_Cornwall_GBR" "5.3383"
[10,] "Orcadian" "5.433"


[1,] "12% 1_Skoglund_farmer + 88% Swedish" "1.3556"
[2,] "9.8% 1_Gokhem7 + 90.2% Swedish" "1.3741"
[3,] "9.9% 1_Otzi + 90.1% Swedish" "1.3753"
[4,] "13.7% Basque_Spanish + 86.3% Swedish" "1.586"
[5,] "16.5% Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS + 83.5% Swedish" "1.6271"
[6,] "17.3% French_South + 82.7% Swedish" "1.6315"
[7,] "13.3% Basque_French + 86.7% Swedish" "1.6396"
[8,] "23.7% Spanish_Aragon_IBS + 76.3% Swedish" "1.8965"
[9,] "23.8% Spanish_Cantabria_IBS + 76.2% Swedish" "1.9094"
[10,] "15% 1_Loschbour + 85% English_Kent_GBR" "2.0849"

Its hard to judge regarding the ancient samples, but my grandmothers was hilarious :D

MfA
09-11-2014, 05:03 PM
Oracle:

Maternal Grandmother:


[1,] "27% Kuban_cossack + 73% Orcadian" "1.2103"
[2,] "3.3% Kurd_WGA + 96.7% Swede" "1.2404"
[3,] "97.4% Swede + 2.6% TUNISIA" "1.288"
[4,] "6.4% Spanish_Canarias_IBS + 93.6% Swede" "1.3062"
[5,] "3.3% Shaigi_WGA + 96.7% Swede" "1.313"
[6,] "2.4% Burbur_WGA + 97.6% Swede" "1.3455"
[7,] "2.7% Morocco_S + 97.3% Swede" "1.3561"
[8,] "1.7% Mozabite + 98.3% Swede" "1.3629"
[9,] "3.2% Algerian + 96.8% Swede" "1.3651"
[10,] "33% Finn-West + 67% N._European" "1.3998"



Shaigi (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/74/Shaigi_Girl_%281906%29_-_TIMEA.jpg) and Burbur?

Its hard to judge regarding the ancient samples, but my grandmothers was hilarious :D

I have no idea where is the Kurd_WGA from. He certainly doesn't look like your everyday Kurds, judging by Oracle result he is a North African. Is that a misnamed sample?



[1,] "Kurd_WGA" "0"
[2,] "Shaigi_WGA" "4.9296"
[3,] "Algerian" "6.2217"
[4,] "Morocco_S" "8.8538"
[5,] "Tunisian" "12.4587"
[6,] "TUNISIA" "13.3661"
[7,] "Moroccans" "15.706"
[8,] "Burbur_WGA" "15.8658"
[9,] "Saharawi" "19.9494"
[10,] "Libyan_Jew" "35.8051"

[1,] "Kurd_WGA" "0"
[2,] "75.1% Burbur_WGA + 24.9% Italian_Piedmont" "2.3323"
[3,] "75.1% Burbur_WGA + 24.9% Italian_Tuscan" "2.4022"
[4,] "75.2% Burbur_WGA + 24.8% Italian_Abruzzo" "2.5315"
[5,] "73.9% Burbur_WGA + 26.1% Italian_WestSicilian" "2.6405"
[6,] "75.4% Burbur_WGA + 24.6% Italian_Bergamo" "2.9708"
[7,] "74.4% Burbur_WGA + 25.6% Sicilian" "3.277"
[8,] "72.6% Burbur_WGA + 27.4% Maltese" "3.297"
[9,] "81.9% Morocco_S + 18.1% Tunisian_Jew" "3.433"
[10,] "18.6% Libyan_Jew + 81.4% Morocco_S" "3.4919"
[11,] "74.5% Burbur_WGA + 25.5% Italian_EastSicilian" "3.4985"
[12,] "76.1% Burbur_WGA + 23.9% Kosovar" "3.5942"
[13,] "16% Italian_Jew + 84% Morocco_S" "3.624"
[14,] "17.5% Moroccan_Jew + 82.5% Morocco_S" "3.645"
[15,] "15.8% French_Jew + 84.2% Morocco_S" "3.6874"
[16,] "14.1% Italian_South + 85.9% Morocco_S" "3.7454"
[17,] "13.5% Greek-Islands + 86.5% Morocco_S" "3.7481"
[18,] "84.1% Morocco_S + 15.9% Turkish_Jew" "3.7703"
[19,] "84.9% Morocco_S + 15.1% Sicilian" "3.7772"
[20,] "84.1% Morocco_S + 15.9% Sephardic_Jews" "3.7867"

Salkin
09-11-2014, 05:16 PM
Mine:

0.46% Amerindian
5.91% Ancestral-North-Eura
3.17% Ancestral-North-Indi
0.42% Arctic
0.55% Ancestral-South-Indi
0.10% Austroloid
0.12% Austronesian
19.55% Caucasian
0.03% Archaic-Human
0.03% East-African
0.16% East-Siberian
24.27% European_Early_Farme
0.00% Khoisan
0.39% Melano-Polinesian
0.00% Archaic-African
0.64% Near-East
1.30% North-African
0.15% Paleo-Siberian
0.05% African-Pygmy
0.04% South-East-Asian
0.02% Subsaharian
0.03% AltaiÐü
42.63% European_Hunters_Gat

Oracle is making more sense than it has in any other run so far:

[1,] "Swede" "2.4516"
[2,] "Swedish" "3.7816"
[3,] "Dutch" "4.207"
[4,] "Mixed_European" "4.5355"
[5,] "North_German" "4.6824"
[6,] "Belgian" "4.9563"
[7,] "English" "5.1571"
[8,] "N._European" "5.354"
[9,] "Norwegian" "5.4574"
[10,] "Icelandic" "5.568"
[11,] "South-German" "6.3476"
[12,] "Mixed_German" "6.4167"
[13,] "CEU" "7.2725"
[14,] "English_Kent_GBR" "7.4517"
[15,] "Germans" "7.5896"
[16,] "English_Cornwall_GBR" "7.8804"
[17,] "Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR" "8.2668"
[18,] "Welsh" "8.4491"
[19,] "United-Kingdom" "8.5175"
[20,] "Austrian" "8.6722"
[21,] "Orcadian" "8.8523"
[22,] "Mixed_CEU" "9.218"
[23,] "German" "10.7302"

Though mixed-mode does look slightly odd in places:

[1,] "70.3% Swedish + 29.7% United-Kingdom" "1.2857"
[2,] "16.3% Spanish_Baleares_IBS + 83.7% Swedish" "1.501"
[3,] "42.3% Belgian + 57.7% Swedish" "1.55"
[4,] "7.3% Sardinian + 92.7% Swedish" "1.5645"
[5,] "8.7% 1_LBK380 + 91.3% Swedish" "1.5774"
[6,] "21.7% French + 78.3% Swedish" "1.5786"
[7,] "59.4% English_Kent_GBR + 40.6% Finn-West" "1.608"
[8,] "31.9% English_Kent_GBR + 68.1% Swedish" "1.6631"
[9,] "14.8% Spaniards + 85.2% Swedish" "1.6773"
[10,] "13.9% Spanish_Cataluna_IBS + 86.1% Swedish" "1.6866"
[11,] "82.4% Swede + 17.6% United-Kingdom" "1.6867"
[12,] "12.2% Spanish_Valencia_IBS + 87.8% Swedish" "1.717"
[13,] "35.2% Mixed_German + 64.8% Swedish" "1.7647"
[14,] "18.4% Occitan + 81.6% Swedish" "1.7817"
[15,] "12.4% Spanish_Andalucia_IBS + 87.6% Swedish" "1.7935"
[16,] "13.3% Spanish_Murcia_IBS + 86.7% Swedish" "1.7998"
[17,] "43.9% Finn-West + 56.1% United-Kingdom" "1.8042"
[18,] "14.2% Spanish_Galicia_IBS + 85.8% Swedish" "1.805"
[19,] "14.3% Spanish_Extremadura_IBS + 85.7% Swedish" "1.8075"
[20,] "13.5% Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS + 86.5% Swedish" "1.8177"
[21,] "11.5% Spanish_Castilla_la_Mancha_IBS + 88.5% Swedish" "1.8366"
[22,] "11.1% Spanish_Aragon_IBS + 88.9% Swedish" "1.8533"
[23,] "11.2% Spanish_Cantabria_IBS + 88.8% Swedish" "1.8769"

evon
09-11-2014, 05:28 PM
I have no idea where is the Kurd_WGA from. He certainly doesn't look like your everyday Kurds, judging by Oracle result he is a North African. Is that a misnamed sample?



[1,] "Kurd_WGA" "0"
[2,] "Shaigi_WGA" "4.9296"
[3,] "Algerian" "6.2217"
[4,] "Morocco_S" "8.8538"
[5,] "Tunisian" "12.4587"
[6,] "TUNISIA" "13.3661"
[7,] "Moroccans" "15.706"
[8,] "Burbur_WGA" "15.8658"
[9,] "Saharawi" "19.9494"
[10,] "Libyan_Jew" "35.8051"

[1,] "Kurd_WGA" "0"
[2,] "75.1% Burbur_WGA + 24.9% Italian_Piedmont" "2.3323"
[3,] "75.1% Burbur_WGA + 24.9% Italian_Tuscan" "2.4022"
[4,] "75.2% Burbur_WGA + 24.8% Italian_Abruzzo" "2.5315"
[5,] "73.9% Burbur_WGA + 26.1% Italian_WestSicilian" "2.6405"
[6,] "75.4% Burbur_WGA + 24.6% Italian_Bergamo" "2.9708"
[7,] "74.4% Burbur_WGA + 25.6% Sicilian" "3.277"
[8,] "72.6% Burbur_WGA + 27.4% Maltese" "3.297"
[9,] "81.9% Morocco_S + 18.1% Tunisian_Jew" "3.433"
[10,] "18.6% Libyan_Jew + 81.4% Morocco_S" "3.4919"
[11,] "74.5% Burbur_WGA + 25.5% Italian_EastSicilian" "3.4985"
[12,] "76.1% Burbur_WGA + 23.9% Kosovar" "3.5942"
[13,] "16% Italian_Jew + 84% Morocco_S" "3.624"
[14,] "17.5% Moroccan_Jew + 82.5% Morocco_S" "3.645"
[15,] "15.8% French_Jew + 84.2% Morocco_S" "3.6874"
[16,] "14.1% Italian_South + 85.9% Morocco_S" "3.7454"
[17,] "13.5% Greek-Islands + 86.5% Morocco_S" "3.7481"
[18,] "84.1% Morocco_S + 15.9% Turkish_Jew" "3.7703"
[19,] "84.9% Morocco_S + 15.1% Sicilian" "3.7772"
[20,] "84.1% Morocco_S + 15.9% Sephardic_Jews" "3.7867"



I take it Burbur is Berber, and yes judging by the Oracle results he looks like a North African.. Any idea where the Shaigi are from? The girl in the picture looks remind me of Central African peoples..

Shaikorth
09-11-2014, 05:38 PM
I think there are too many ancient, modern, and hybrid populations/components together in the same test. ASI here is actually just modern South Indian which is a hybrid component halfway between the Caucasian and East Asian clusters. ANI is a modern South Central Asian component peaking in Kalash, a genetically drifted population that doesn't necessarily represent ANI. ANE is minimized because the other components have it within them.


Yes, the ANE component in this test does reach almost 100% in MA-1 and AG-1, but for modern populations various South Asian and Siberian-specific components absorb them.

For Kalash, the ANI component absorbs most of the ANE, and for Nganassans and Karitiana the East Siberian and Amerindian respectively absorb all their ANE.

Vadim Verenich
09-11-2014, 05:39 PM
I have no idea where is the Kurd_WGA from. He certainly doesn't look like your everyday Kurds, judging by Oracle result he is a North African. Is that a misnamed sample?



[1,] "Kurd_WGA" "0"
[2,] "Shaigi_WGA" "4.9296"
[3,] "Algerian" "6.2217"
[4,] "Morocco_S" "8.8538"
[5,] "Tunisian" "12.4587"
[6,] "TUNISIA" "13.3661"
[7,] "Moroccans" "15.706"
[8,] "Burbur_WGA" "15.8658"
[9,] "Saharawi" "19.9494"
[10,] "Libyan_Jew" "35.8051"

[1,] "Kurd_WGA" "0"
[2,] "75.1% Burbur_WGA + 24.9% Italian_Piedmont" "2.3323"
[3,] "75.1% Burbur_WGA + 24.9% Italian_Tuscan" "2.4022"
[4,] "75.2% Burbur_WGA + 24.8% Italian_Abruzzo" "2.5315"
[5,] "73.9% Burbur_WGA + 26.1% Italian_WestSicilian" "2.6405"
[6,] "75.4% Burbur_WGA + 24.6% Italian_Bergamo" "2.9708"
[7,] "74.4% Burbur_WGA + 25.6% Sicilian" "3.277"
[8,] "72.6% Burbur_WGA + 27.4% Maltese" "3.297"
[9,] "81.9% Morocco_S + 18.1% Tunisian_Jew" "3.433"
[10,] "18.6% Libyan_Jew + 81.4% Morocco_S" "3.4919"
[11,] "74.5% Burbur_WGA + 25.5% Italian_EastSicilian" "3.4985"
[12,] "76.1% Burbur_WGA + 23.9% Kosovar" "3.5942"
[13,] "16% Italian_Jew + 84% Morocco_S" "3.624"
[14,] "17.5% Moroccan_Jew + 82.5% Morocco_S" "3.645"
[15,] "15.8% French_Jew + 84.2% Morocco_S" "3.6874"
[16,] "14.1% Italian_South + 85.9% Morocco_S" "3.7454"
[17,] "13.5% Greek-Islands + 86.5% Morocco_S" "3.7481"
[18,] "84.1% Morocco_S + 15.9% Turkish_Jew" "3.7703"
[19,] "84.9% Morocco_S + 15.1% Sicilian" "3.7772"
[20,] "84.1% Morocco_S + 15.9% Sephardic_Jews" "3.7867"



Yes, it looks like a mislabeled sample. I'll remove it for good

Dimanto
09-11-2014, 05:40 PM
I'm running it now can't wait !

Dimanto
09-11-2014, 05:48 PM
Is this a joke ?

----------------------------
FINAL ADMIXTURE PROPORTIONS:
----------------------------

6.37% East_European
37.76% West_European
31.96% Mediterranean
0.00% Neo_African
17.58% West_Asian
0.16% South_Asian
0.15% Northeast_Asian
0.00% Southeast_Asian
0.25% East_African
5.75% Southwest_Asian
0.01% Northwest_African
0.00% Palaeo_African


[1,] "Burusho" "61.9872"
[2,] "Tajik_Pomiri" "62.8388"
[3,] "Jatt-Haryana" "64.2187"
[4,] "Pashtun" "64.4999"
[5,] "Pathan" "64.6515"
[6,] "Pakistani_Pushtun" "64.6794"
[7,] "Tadjik" "65.1483"
[8,] "Afghan_Pushtun" "65.726"
[9,] "GujaratiA_GIH" "65.7866"
[10,] "Jatt-Pahari" "66.0127"
[11,] "Punjabi-Gujjar" "66.1084"
[12,] "Sindhi" "66.1475"
[13,] "Udmurd" "66.7251"
[14,] "Jatt-Muslim" "66.8027"
[15,] "Pakistani" "67.224"
[16,] "Bashkir" "67.6917"
[17,] "Tiwari" "67.845"
[18,] "Uzbek" "67.9144"
[19,] "Turkmen" "68.6275"
[20,] "Makrani" "68.6652"
[21,] "Nepalese" "69.1117"
[22,] "GujaratiB_GIH" "69.1992"
[23,] "Cochin_Jew" "69.2164"
[24,] "Uyghur" "69.366"
[25,] "Brahmin-Tamil" "69.614"
[26,] "Kshatriya" "69.6985"
[27,] "Mumbai_Jews" "69.7491"
> TOracle(c(6.37, 37.76, 31.96, 0.00, 17.58, 0.16, 0.15, 0.00, 0.25, 5.75, 0.01, 0.00 ), k=27, mixedmode=T)
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "32.8% Bougainville + 67.2% Burusho" "50.355"
[2,] "34.5% Bougainville + 65.5% Pathan" "52.1025"
[3,] "35.5% Bougainville + 64.5% GujaratiA_GIH" "52.2239"
[4,] "32.4% Bougainville + 67.6% Tajik_Pomiri" "52.2461"
[5,] "33.9% Bougainville + 66.1% Jatt-Haryana" "52.2517"
[6,] "35.8% Bougainville + 64.2% Sindhi" "52.278"
[7,] "35.7% Bougainville + 64.3% Punjabi-Gujjar" "52.2924"
[8,] "33.7% Bougainville + 66.3% Pashtun" "53.0269"
[9,] "40% Bougainville + 60% Kalash" "53.0775"
[10,] "36.4% Bougainville + 63.6% Pakistani" "53.1408"
[11,] "33.8% Bougainville + 66.2% Pakistani_Pushtun" "53.1439"
[12,] "35.2% Bougainville + 64.8% Jatt-Pahari" "53.1642"
[13,] "35.8% Bougainville + 64.2% Jatt-Muslim" "53.462"
[14,] "35% 1_Malta-1 + 65% Sindhi" "53.5159"
[15,] "34.9% 1_AG-2 + 65.1% Sindhi" "53.5187"
[16,] "68.5% Burusho + 31.5% Pygmy" "53.5917"
[17,] "68.1% Burusho + 31.9% MbutiPygmy" "53.6718"
[18,] "36.6% Bougainville + 63.4% Tiwari" "53.8497"
[19,] "37.3% Bougainville + 62.7% Makrani" "53.8891"
[20,] "61.7% Balochi + 38.3% Bougainville" "53.9933"
[21,] "37.1% 1_Malta-1 + 62.9% Makrani" "54.0483"
[22,] "29.7% 1_Malta-1 + 70.3% Burusho" "54.0487"
[23,] "29.7% 1_AG-2 + 70.3% Burusho" "54.0508"
[24,] "37% 1_AG-2 + 63% Makrani" "54.0513"
[25,] "37.7% Bougainville + 62.3% GujaratiB_GIH" "54.0708"
[26,] "65.7% Afghan_Pushtun + 34.3% Bougainville" "54.0946"
[27,] "38% 1_Malta-1 + 62% Balochi" "54.2144"

Shaikorth
09-11-2014, 05:52 PM
Is this a joke ?

----------------------------
FINAL ADMIXTURE PROPORTIONS:
----------------------------

6.37% East_European
37.76% West_European
31.96% Mediterranean
0.00% Neo_African
17.58% West_Asian
0.16% South_Asian
0.15% Northeast_Asian
0.00% Southeast_Asian
0.25% East_African
5.75% Southwest_Asian
0.01% Northwest_African
0.00% Palaeo_African


You've run the wrong calculator, that looks like Dodecad v3.

Dimanto
09-11-2014, 05:57 PM
no the k27 one. Dodecad V3, are you ..? Dodecad never gave me these strange results. I have used this one though : DIYDodecad2.1, but I need that to run it right ?


You've run the wrong calculator, that looks like Dodecad v3.

Shaikorth
09-11-2014, 06:01 PM
no the k27 one. Dodecad V3, are you ..? Dodecad never gave me these strange results. I have used this one though : DIYDodecad2.1

You have k27 (really k23) oracle, but the calculator results you posted are very much Dodecad v3. This calculator does not have components called "East European" or "West European"

Dimanto
09-11-2014, 06:05 PM
Okay what is happening here..

TOracle(c(12.76, 56.17, 22.70, 0.00, 7.12, 1.18, 0.05, 0.00, 0.00, 0.01, 0.00, 0.00), k=23) or k27, I tried them both..?

I downloaded this: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B6n7iMc2P-yQd0hWR3YwSWRlMnM/edit extracted it with the rawdata and the DIYDodecad2.1 and did everything like is written in the readme file..

Shaikorth
09-11-2014, 06:08 PM
I did something wrong with the command for the oracle here...

TOracle(c(12.76, 56.17, 22.70, 0.00, 7.12, 1.18, 0.05, 0.00, 0.00, 0.01, 0.00, 0.00), k=23) or k27, I tried them both..?

I downloaded this: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B6n7iMc2P-yQd0hWR3YwSWRlMnM/edit extracted it with the rawdata and the DIYDodecad2.1 and did everything like is written in the readme file..

There needs to be one small change to the readme file's instructions to run this. Change dv3.par to test.par when launching the calculator.

Vadim Verenich
09-11-2014, 06:08 PM
I did something wrong with the command for the oracle here...

TOracle(c(12.76, 56.17, 22.70, 0.00, 7.12, 1.18, 0.05, 0.00, 0.00, 0.01, 0.00, 0.00), k=23) or k27, I tried them both..?

I downloaded this: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B6n7iMc2P-yQd0hWR3YwSWRlMnM/edit extracted it with the rawdata and the DIYDodecad2.1 and did everything like is written in the readme file..

You need to replace test.par file

Dimanto
09-11-2014, 06:10 PM
Replace the command or the file itself ?


You need to replace test.par file

Shaikorth
09-11-2014, 06:11 PM
Just the command.

Dimanto
09-11-2014, 06:16 PM
Running it now, let's hope it'll work :angel:


Just the command.