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Dimanto
09-11-2014, 06:19 PM
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FINAL ADMIXTURE PROPORTIONS:
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0.06% Amerindian
2.61% Ancestral-North-Eura
7.10% Ancestral-North-Indi
0.17% Arctic
0.17% Ancestral-South-Indi
0.04% Austroloid
0.10% Austronesian
30.36% Caucasian
0.00% Archaic-Human
0.16% East-African
0.07% East-Siberian
27.75% European_Early_Farme
0.01% Khoisan
0.05% Melano-Polinesian
0.00% Archaic-African
4.60% Near-East
2.90% North-African
0.13% Paleo-Siberian
0.03% African-Pygmy
0.05% South-East-Asian
0.01% Subsaharian
0.07% Altaiс
23.59% European_Hunters_Gat

[1,] "Italian_Tuscan" "6.76"
[2,] "South-German" "7.6938"
[3,] "Italian_Abruzzo" "7.8611"
[4,] "Italian_Piedmont" "7.9454"
[5,] "Italian_WestSicilian" "7.9504"
[6,] "Kosovar" "7.9636"
[7,] "Austrian" "9.2101"
[8,] "Mixed_European" "9.9378"
[9,] "Belgian" "10.1756"
[10,] "Dutch" "10.2441"
[11,] "Bulgarian" "10.4172"
[12,] "Montenegrian" "10.4242"
[13,] "North_German" "10.4351"
[14,] "English" "10.6967"
[15,] "Maltese" "10.7529"
[16,] "Italian_Bergamo" "10.8315"
[17,] "Germans" "10.8718"
[18,] "Italian_EastSicilian" "11.1055"
[19,] "Greek_Comas" "11.1896"
[20,] "Ashkenazi_Jew" "11.3483"

[1,] "40.4% Azov_Greek + 59.6% Occitan" "1.418"
[2,] "41.2% Azov_Greek + 58.8% French" "1.5509"
[3,] "43.1% British + 56.9% Greek_WGA" "1.6935"
[4,] "44.4% British + 55.6% Italian_South" "1.8798"
[5,] "47.9% Greek_WGA + 52.1% Welsh" "1.9827"
[6,] "43.6% Greek-Islands + 56.4% Welsh" "1.9891"
[7,] "46.5% Italian_South + 53.5% Welsh" "2.0493"
[8,] "72.3% French + 27.7% Turkish_Trabzon" "2.0761"
[9,] "43.9% Greek_Coriell + 56.1% Welsh" "2.1066"
[10,] "51.3% Azov_Greek + 48.7% Spanish_Cataluna_IBS" "2.1526"
[11,] "39.6% Mixed_East_European + 60.4% Spanish_Baleares_IBS" "2.1623"
[12,] "38.5% British + 61.5% Central-Greek" "2.173"
[13,] "49.6% Mixed_East_European + 50.4% Spanish_Andalucia_IBS" "2.1856"
[14,] "29.3% Assyrian_WGA + 70.7% French" "2.1922"
[15,] "57.7% Spanish_Baleares_IBS + 42.3% Turkish_Istanbul" "2.2124"
[16,] "57.2% English_Cornwall_GBR + 42.8% Greek-Islands" "2.2133"
[17,] "51.1% Azov_Greek + 48.9% Spanish_Galicia_IBS" "2.2156"
[18,] "43% Dutch + 57% Italian_Abruzzo" "2.2172"
[19,] "48.9% Azov_Greek + 51.1% Spaniards" "2.2231"
[20,] "30.1% Armenian + 69.9% French" "2.2388"
[21,] "44.8% Mixed_East_European + 55.2% Spaniards" "2.2498"
[22,] "54.3% English_Cornwall_GBR + 45.7% Italian_South" "2.2773"
[23,] "49.5% Italian_South + 50.5% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR" "2.3006"


Oracle is still off.


Fixed !

Vadim Verenich
09-11-2014, 06:20 PM
A couple of words regarding the ancestral populations of the K27beta

Amerindian component is probable the sharpest cluster inferred by Admixture run, since it is modal in almost all Native American populations of New World.



Aymara 0.99978
Aymara 0.99978
Aymara 0.99978
Bolivian_LaPaz 0.99978
Bolivian_LaPaz 0.99978
Cabecar 0.99978
Chane 0.99978
Guarani 0.99978
Guarani 0.99978
Guarani 0.99978
Kaqchikel 0.99978
Kaqchikel 0.99978
Kaqchikel 0.99978
Kaqchikel 0.99978
Kaqchikel 0.99978
Karitiana 0.99978
Mayan 0.99978
Mayan 0.99978
Mixe 0.99978
Mixe 0.99978
Mixe 0.99978
Mixe 0.99978
Mixe 0.99978
Mixtec 0.99978
Piapoco 0.99978
Piapoco 0.99978
Pima 0.99978
Quechua_Coriell 0.99978
Surui 0.99978
Ticuna 0.99978
Wayuu 0.99978
Wichi 0.99978
Wichi 0.99978
Wichi 0.99978
Wichi 0.99978
Karitiana 0.999778
Surui 0.999777
Karitiana 0.999776
Piapoco 0.999775
Quechua_RuizLinares 0.999774
Guarani 0.999773
Bolivian 0.999772
Mixtec 0.995716
Huichol 0.995683
Mixtec 0.992546
Mayan 0.991499
Pima 0.991154
Inga 0.990037
Quechua_RuizLinares 0.989121
Mixtec 0.987938
Bolivian 0.98681
Zapotec 0.986162
Zapotec 0.984308


Ancestral-North-Eurasian is a conventional name for the component that peaks in Malta-1 and AG-2 samples. Among the modern populations it reaches the highest levels in Siberian populations (Hants, Tubalars, Selkups and Mansis). I believe that ANE is somehow misleading label for this cluster, since it causes unnecessary allusions to Lazaridis's ANE component - the component that has completely different geographic distributions. I think that the proper name for this component would be something like Ancestral_East_Siberian or something like that.



1_AG-2 0.99978
1_Malta-1 0.99978
Hant 0.516746
Hant 0.501817
Tubalar 0.493824
Hant 0.489033
Tubalar 0.480062
Hant 0.47659
Hant 0.472344
Tubalar 0.45725
Tubalar 0.455266
Tubalar 0.448404
Selkup 0.441695
Tubalar 0.439697
Hant 0.439208
Mansi 0.435
Tubalar 0.433453
Hant 0.428234
Tubalar 0.427716
Tubalar 0.425965
Mansi 0.421726
Mansi 0.419951
Tubalar 0.417531
Mansi 0.416992
Mansi 0.41347
Selkup 0.410374
Mansi 0.409136
Tubalar 0.408924
Tubalar 0.40217
Tubalar 0.401081
Tubalar 0.396141
Ket 0.391282
Mansi 0.3894
Tubalar 0.375803
Selkup 0.371647
Kets 0.371579
Udmurd 0.371051
Udmurd 0.366248
Udmurd 0.363201
Udmurd 0.363101
Nenets 0.362751
Udmurd 0.360644
Udmurd 0.360254
Udmurd 0.359594
Ket 0.357108
Selkup 0.355492
Selkup 0.355188
Udmurd 0.352629
Udmurd 0.348078
Udmurd 0.340914
Kets 0.338942
Udmurd 0.337905
Mansi 0.335718


Ancestral-North-Indian is another example of potentially wrong denomination. The component is very well defined in Kalash, Burusho, Brahui and Pathan populations, so we can assume that it includes Gedrosian or South-Central-Asian components


Kalash 0.726669
Kalash 0.72661
Kalash 0.716406
Balochi 0.712255
Brahui 0.703997
Kalash 0.697741
Brahui 0.693359
Brahui 0.692029
Kalash 0.687873
Brahui 0.686792
Sindhi 0.685478
Kalash 0.68479
Kalash 0.683886
Balochi 0.683843
Kalash 0.683335
Kalash 0.681653
Kalash 0.68004
Makrani 0.677371
Balochi 0.677011
Brahui 0.676224
Brahui 0.674293
Balochi 0.672427
Brahui 0.672256
Brahui 0.671869
Kalash 0.671463
Brahui 0.671442
Brahui 0.670689
Makrani 0.670503
Brahui 0.666693
Brahui 0.664372
Kalash 0.664347
Balochi 0.643626
Brahui 0.640167
Balochi 0.63587
Kalash 0.635839
Makrani 0.626363
Brahui 0.622536
Makrani 0.621963
Brahui 0.620567
Balochi 0.616356
Brahui 0.616129
Makrani 0.615166
Brahui 0.614892
Balochi 0.61348
Balochi 0.61081
Makrani 0.609554
Makrani 0.605502
Brahui 0.603887
Balochi 0.590112
Balochi 0.585262
Makrani 0.584556
Balochi 0.583597
Makrani 0.583346
Balochi 0.580054
Makrani 0.578561
Makrani 0.575018
Brahui 0.571821
Makrani 0.570492
Balochi 0.568905
Makrani 0.568535
Balochi 0.564761
Kalash 0.564152
Balochi 0.561651
Balochi 0.560444
Makrani 0.560063
Makrani 0.557403
Balochi 0.555877
Brahui 0.552928
Makrani 0.54977
Balochi 0.540708
Sindhi 0.536679
Brahui 0.528131
Brahui 0.524837
Balochi 0.514349
Makrani 0.510307
Makrani 0.504814
Makrani 0.495628
Balochi 0.49519
Sindhi 0.492198
Sindhi 0.479898
Balochi 0.476877
Sindhi 0.469059
Sindhi 0.464661
Brahui 0.463441
Sindhi 0.454648
Sindhi 0.451271
Sindhi 0.451267
Makrani 0.446966
Makrani 0.44676
Sindhi 0.445707
Sindhi 0.444939
Pathan 0.441471
Sindhi 0.438129
Sindhi 0.433147
Pathan 0.431027
Makrani 0.430764
Sindhi 0.427974
Pathan 0.427592
Sindhi 0.427452
Pathan 0.427325
Pathan 0.426965
Sindhi 0.4257


The genographic properties Arctic (Chukchi-Eskimo) component are self-evident, the component is modal in Chukchi and Eskimo populations


Eskimo_Chaplin 0.99978
Eskimo_Naukan 0.99978
Eskimo_Naukan 0.99978
Eskimo_Naukan 0.99978
Eskimo_Naukan 0.99978
Eskimo_Naukan 0.999777
Eskimo_Sireniki 0.993859
Eskimo_Naukan 0.99295
Eskimo_Chaplin 0.972536
Eskimo_Chaplin 0.961956
Eskimo_Naukan 0.943208
West_Greenland 0.897308
Eskimo_Sireniki 0.874598
Eskimo_Sireniki 0.859227
Eskimo_Chaplin 0.816668
Chukchi 0.751185
Chukchi 0.714628
Eskimo_Sireniki 0.676408
Chukchi 0.621493
Chukchi 0.619475
Saqqaq 0.615636
Chukchi 0.61482
Chukchi 0.596323
Chukchi 0.592432
Chukchi 0.583411
Chukchi 0.570464
Chukchi_Sir 0.566927
Chukchi 0.562152
Chukchi 0.560763
Chukchi 0.520624
West_Greenland 0.518046
Chukchi 0.504431
Chukchi 0.498392
Chukchi 0.49371
Tlingit 0.491715
Chukchi 0.453168
Aleut 0.444281
Yukagir_Tundra 0.432572
West_Greenland 0.41475
Aleut 0.409607
Tlingit 0.407054
Chukchi 0.40701
Athabask 0.356265
Athabask 0.35444
Athabask 0.350986


Ancestral-South-Indian component, as suggested by its name, peaks in South-India. However, i have no answer to question as to whether this component is something similar to Reich's ASI component. Perhaps, i must change its name to plain South-Indian component?


Pulliyar 0.900025
Pulliyar 0.892493
Paniya 0.89001
Pulliyar 0.881518
Pulliyar 0.878389
Paniya 0.869765
Paniya 0.853524
Malayan 0.841278
Kurumba 0.837027
Kurumba 0.826781
Mala 0.820876
Nihali 0.820783
Kurumba 0.815444
Hallaki 0.813269
Hallaki 0.812209
Mala 0.810832
Mala 0.810225
TN_Dalit 0.807538
Malayan 0.80463
Kurumba 0.804217
Mala 0.804034
Chamar 0.80293
Mala 0.797183
Kurumba 0.796785
Madiga 0.794891
Mala 0.793955
Mala 0.79148
Kharia 0.790392
Mala 0.789844
Mala 0.788526
Santhal 0.785447
Hakkipikki 0.783408
Hakkipikki 0.777062
Mala 0.777037
Kurumba 0.772547
Chenchu 0.772079
TN_Dalit 0.770378
TN_Dalit 0.766506
Chenchu 0.765569
Hallaki 0.764587
Vishwabrahmin 0.760205
Chamar 0.757949
Mala 0.753107
Sakilli 0.752161
Kol 0.751731
Kol 0.750813
Mala 0.749947
Dhurwa 0.748263
Bhunjia 0.748127
Mala 0.747948


Austroloid (Australoid) component correlates with the area populated by 'Australoid' peoples ranged throughout Indonesia, Malaysia, Australia, New Guinea, Melanesia, the Andaman Islands


Koinanbe 0.99978
Koinanbe 0.99978
Koinanbe 0.99978
Kosipe 0.99978
Kosipe 0.99978
Kosipe 0.99978
Papuan 0.99978
Papuan 0.99978
Papuan 0.99978
Papuan 0.99978
Papuan 0.99978
Papuan 0.99978
Papuan 0.99978
Papuan 0.99978
Papuan 0.99978
Papuan 0.99978
Papuan 0.99978
Papuan 0.99978
Papuan 0.99978
Papuan 0.99978
Papuan 0.999771
Papuan 0.76179
Australian 0.559136
Australian_ECCAC 0.554022
Australian 0.548088
Australian_ECCAC 0.530471
1_AusAboriginal 0.490001
Australian_ECCAC 0.425204
Australian 0.389888
Bajo 0.297873
Australian_ECCAC 0.257585
Australian_ECCAC 0.243526
Australian_ECCAC 0.23831
Australian_ECCAC 0.206587
Bajo 0.184387
Onge 0.147676
Onge 0.142201

Shaikorth
09-11-2014, 06:22 PM
----------------------------
FINAL ADMIXTURE PROPORTIONS:
----------------------------

0.06% Amerindian
2.61% Ancestral-North-Eura
7.10% Ancestral-North-Indi
0.17% Arctic
0.17% Ancestral-South-Indi
0.04% Austroloid
0.10% Austronesian
30.36% Caucasian
0.00% Archaic-Human
0.16% East-African
0.07% East-Siberian
27.75% European_Early_Farme
0.01% Khoisan
0.05% Melano-Polinesian
0.00% Archaic-African
4.60% Near-East
2.90% North-African
0.13% Paleo-Siberian
0.03% African-Pygmy
0.05% South-East-Asian
0.01% Subsaharian
0.07% Altaiс
23.59% European_Hunters_Gat


What am I doing wrong now ..?

You need to type all those components in exactly that order into the oracle, I see you started with 7.10 when it should have been 0.06.

Vadim Verenich
09-11-2014, 06:26 PM
TOracle(c(0.06,2.61,7.1,0.17,0.17,0.04,0.1,30.36,0 ,0.16,0.07,27.75,0.01,0.05,0,4.6,2.9,0.13,0.03,0.0 5,0.01,0.07,23.59))
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "Italian_Tuscan" "6.76"
[2,] "South-German" "7.6938"
[3,] "Italian_Abruzzo" "7.8611"
[4,] "Italian_Piedmont" "7.9454"
[5,] "Italian_WestSicilian" "7.9504"
[6,] "Kosovar" "7.9636"
[7,] "Austrian" "9.2101"
[8,] "Mixed_European" "9.9378"
[9,] "Belgian" "10.1756"
[10,] "Dutch" "10.2441"

Vadim Verenich
09-11-2014, 06:28 PM
----------------------------
FINAL ADMIXTURE PROPORTIONS:
----------------------------

0.06% Amerindian
2.61% Ancestral-North-Eura
7.10% Ancestral-North-Indi
0.17% Arctic
0.17% Ancestral-South-Indi
0.04% Austroloid
0.10% Austronesian
30.36% Caucasian
0.00% Archaic-Human
0.16% East-African
0.07% East-Siberian
27.75% European_Early_Farme
0.01% Khoisan
0.05% Melano-Polinesian
0.00% Archaic-African
4.60% Near-East
2.90% North-African
0.13% Paleo-Siberian
0.03% African-Pygmy
0.05% South-East-Asian
0.01% Subsaharian
0.07% Altaiс
23.59% European_Hunters_Gat

[1,] "Italian_Tuscan" "6.76"
[2,] "South-German" "7.6938"
[3,] "Italian_Abruzzo" "7.8611"
[4,] "Italian_Piedmont" "7.9454"
[5,] "Italian_WestSicilian" "7.9504"
[6,] "Kosovar" "7.9636"
[7,] "Austrian" "9.2101"
[8,] "Mixed_European" "9.9378"
[9,] "Belgian" "10.1756"
[10,] "Dutch" "10.2441"
[11,] "Bulgarian" "10.4172"
[12,] "Montenegrian" "10.4242"
[13,] "North_German" "10.4351"
[14,] "English" "10.6967"
[15,] "Maltese" "10.7529"
[16,] "Italian_Bergamo" "10.8315"
[17,] "Germans" "10.8718"
[18,] "Italian_EastSicilian" "11.1055"
[19,] "Greek_Comas" "11.1896"
[20,] "Ashkenazi_Jew" "11.3483"

[1,] "40.4% Azov_Greek + 59.6% Occitan" "1.418"
[2,] "41.2% Azov_Greek + 58.8% French" "1.5509"
[3,] "43.1% British + 56.9% Greek_WGA" "1.6935"
[4,] "44.4% British + 55.6% Italian_South" "1.8798"
[5,] "47.9% Greek_WGA + 52.1% Welsh" "1.9827"
[6,] "43.6% Greek-Islands + 56.4% Welsh" "1.9891"
[7,] "46.5% Italian_South + 53.5% Welsh" "2.0493"
[8,] "72.3% French + 27.7% Turkish_Trabzon" "2.0761"
[9,] "43.9% Greek_Coriell + 56.1% Welsh" "2.1066"
[10,] "51.3% Azov_Greek + 48.7% Spanish_Cataluna_IBS" "2.1526"
[11,] "39.6% Mixed_East_European + 60.4% Spanish_Baleares_IBS" "2.1623"
[12,] "38.5% British + 61.5% Central-Greek" "2.173"
[13,] "49.6% Mixed_East_European + 50.4% Spanish_Andalucia_IBS" "2.1856"
[14,] "29.3% Assyrian_WGA + 70.7% French" "2.1922"
[15,] "57.7% Spanish_Baleares_IBS + 42.3% Turkish_Istanbul" "2.2124"
[16,] "57.2% English_Cornwall_GBR + 42.8% Greek-Islands" "2.2133"
[17,] "51.1% Azov_Greek + 48.9% Spanish_Galicia_IBS" "2.2156"
[18,] "43% Dutch + 57% Italian_Abruzzo" "2.2172"
[19,] "48.9% Azov_Greek + 51.1% Spaniards" "2.2231"
[20,] "30.1% Armenian + 69.9% French" "2.2388"
[21,] "44.8% Mixed_East_European + 55.2% Spaniards" "2.2498"
[22,] "54.3% English_Cornwall_GBR + 45.7% Italian_South" "2.2773"
[23,] "49.5% Italian_South + 50.5% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR" "2.3006"


Oracle is still off.


Fixed !

It is?
[4,] "44.4% British + 55.6% Italian_South" "1.8798"
[18,] "43% Dutch + 57% Italian_Abruzzo" "2.2172"

Dimanto
09-11-2014, 06:28 PM
Yeah already fixed it, I was to hasty. Mixed-mode Oracle is still far of, even with my mum's sample.
Did you use that sample by the way for Dutch ? I'd expect it to yield perfectly.


You need to type all those components in exactly that order into the oracle, I see you started with 7.10 when it should have been 0.06.

Dimanto
09-11-2014, 06:29 PM
It is?
[4,] "44.4% British + 55.6% Italian_South" "1.8798"
[18,] "43% Dutch + 57% Italian_Abruzzo" "2.2172"

My mum is Dutch as you know and my father is Neapolitan Italian, but I think leaning more to the South than to South-Central Italy.

Vadim Verenich
09-11-2014, 06:32 PM
My mum is Dutch as you know and my father is Neapolitan Italian, but I think leaning more to the South than to South-Central Italy.

Do you really expect the world-scale Oracle to predict the home address of your ancestors? If this is the case, then you completely misunderstand the science behind Admixture algorithm

Dimanto
09-11-2014, 06:34 PM
----------------------------
FINAL ADMIXTURE PROPORTIONS:
----------------------------

0.28% Amerindian
5.25% Ancestral-North-Eura
7.25% Ancestral-North-Indi
0.23% Arctic
0.08% Ancestral-South-Indi
0.07% Austroloid
0.01% Austronesian
21.10% Caucasian
0.00% Archaic-Human
0.02% East-African
0.06% East-Siberian
25.15% European_Early_Farme
0.00% Khoisan
0.05% Melano-Polinesian
0.00% Archaic-African
0.34% Near-East
0.63% North-African
0.10% Paleo-Siberian
0.00% African-Pygmy
0.02% South-East-Asian
0.00% Subsaharian
0.01% Altaiс
39.34% European_Hunters_Gat

CPU time = 57.39 sec
> TOracle(c(0.28, 5.25, 7.25, 0.23, 0.08, 0.07, 0.01, 21.10, 0.00, 0.02, 0.06, 25.15, 0.00, 0.05, 0.00, 0.34, 0.63, 0.10, 0.00, 0.02, 0.00, 0.01, 39.34), k=23)
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "Dutch" "1.5498"
[2,] "English" "3.4662"
[3,] "Swede" "4.1154"
[4,] "North_German" "4.3149"
[5,] "Belgian" "4.4263"
[6,] "Mixed_European" "4.5138"
[7,] "N._European" "4.6827"
[8,] "Icelandic" "5.2775"
[9,] "Norwegian" "5.2792"
[10,] "South-German" "5.4244"
[11,] "Swedish" "5.9983"
[12,] "CEU" "6.33"
[13,] "Mixed_German" "6.5878"
[14,] "English_Cornwall_GBR" "6.7667"
[15,] "English_Kent_GBR" "6.773"
[16,] "Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR" "6.873"
[17,] "Welsh" "7.278"
[18,] "Orcadian" "8.061"
[19,] "Germans" "8.4703"
[20,] "Austrian" "8.9061"
[21,] "United-Kingdom" "9.4716"
[22,] "Mixed_CEU" "9.7308"
[23,] "German" "11.4971"

[1,] "9.2% Georgian_Imereti + 90.8% Norwegian" "0.7665"
[2,] "9.3% Georgian_WGA + 90.7% Norwegian" "0.7746"
[3,] "9.4% Georgian_Megrels + 90.6% Norwegian" "0.7841"
[4,] "90.6% Norwegian + 9.4% Svan" "0.8234"
[5,] "9.6% Megrel + 90.4% Norwegian" "0.8248"
[6,] "9.2% Georgian_Laz + 90.8% Icelandic" "0.8268"
[7,] "91% Icelandic + 9% Laz" "0.8303"
[8,] "9.2% Georgian_WGA + 90.8% Icelandic" "0.8407"
[9,] "9.7% Abkhasian + 90.3% Norwegian" "0.8709"
[10,] "84.3% Dutch + 15.7% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR" "0.8898"
[11,] "9.1% Georgian_Imereti + 90.9% Icelandic" "0.9047"
[12,] "9.7% Georgian + 90.3% Norwegian" "0.9095"
[13,] "9.6% British + 90.4% Dutch" "0.9215"
[14,] "9.5% Adjara + 90.5% Norwegian" "0.9365"
[15,] "9.4% Georgian_Megrels + 90.6% Icelandic" "0.9602"
[16,] "9% Laz + 91% Norwegian" "0.9616"
[17,] "90.6% Icelandic + 9.4% Svan" "0.9727"
[18,] "9.1% Georgian_Laz + 90.9% Norwegian" "0.9874"
[19,] "87.3% Dutch + 12.7% Orcadian" "1.0215"
[20,] "81.7% Dutch + 18.3% Icelandic" "1.0286"
[21,] "90.5% Icelandic + 9.5% Megrel" "1.0384"
[22,] "82.3% Dutch + 17.7% Norwegian" "1.0783"
[23,] "11.5% Balkar + 88.5% Norwegian" "1.0927"



My mum's results are correct now, but not used as a reference sample or else it should be a distance of 0.00 right ?

Dimanto
09-11-2014, 06:36 PM
Do you really expect the world-scale Oracle to predict the home address of your ancestors? If this is the case, then you completely misunderstand the science behind Admixture algorithm

haha no, but I thought maybe it would be better with a reference population used that looks similar to me and in this case it would be 50% of my own genome. I don't now the exact science behind it and I'm learning piece by piece.

Maybe the few % ''Northern Euro'' or less that my paternal side has is changing the results.

Anyway, it's better than the k17 model :amen:

Vadim Verenich
09-11-2014, 06:37 PM
Austronesian component reflects the specific cluster realted to the Austronesian people (The Austronesian-speaking peoples are various populations in Southeast Asia and Oceania that speak languages of the Austronesian family)


Ami_Coriell 0.99978
Ami_Coriell 0.99978
Ami_Coriell 0.99978
Ami_Coriell 0.99978
Ami_Coriell 0.99978
Ami_Coriell 0.99978
Ami_Coriell 0.99978
Ami_Coriell 0.99978
Ami_Taiwan 0.99978
Ami_Taiwan 0.99978
Ami_Taiwan 0.99978
Ami_Taiwan 0.99978
Ami_Taiwan 0.99978
Atayal_Coriell 0.99978
Atayal_Coriell 0.99978
Atayal_Coriell 0.99978
Igorot 0.99978
Igorot 0.99978
Igorot 0.989726
Igorot 0.976678
Ami_Coriell 0.953599
Atayal_Coriell 0.92804
Ami_Coriell 0.925877
Igorot 0.917749
Murut 0.753891
Lebbo 0.741841
Murut 0.730329
Dusun 0.724554
Dusun 0.71361
Lebbo 0.708418
Atayal_Coriell 0.706922
Lebbo 0.677133
Samoan 0.666647
Samoan 0.663657
Samoan 0.661234
Samoan 0.654855
Samoan 0.648264
Samoan 0.648054
Samoan 0.644161
Samoan 0.636115
Iban 0.626759
Samoan 0.624617
Tongan 0.605633
Bajo 0.605632
Bajo 0.603241
Tongan 0.59868
Tongan 0.597686
Samoan 0.59475

vettor
09-11-2014, 06:44 PM
Do you really expect the world-scale Oracle to predict the home address of your ancestors? If this is the case, then you completely misunderstand the science behind Admixture algorithm

lol

maybe some want a GPS indicator on a map for their marker.

I ask a question about your naming, what name is used to indicate eastern alps and southern Germany..........is it Austria?

i presume your Italian-piedmont means all north Italy, is that correct.

Dimanto
09-11-2014, 06:45 PM
By the way, it's hard work and I appreciate what you guys do ! :beerchug: I just hoped to see Dutch on the first place. Maybe with oracle-4 it will change when sorted out..
I still think that if my mum's rawdata was used the results would have been better :p I could be wrong though :\

Shaikorth
09-11-2014, 07:00 PM
Oracle results for European hunter-gatherers:

Loschbour and La Brana-1

Loschbour

[,1] [,2]
[1,] "1_Loschbour" "0"
[2,] "1_LaBrana" "4.4628"
[3,] "1_Motala12" "8.1537"
[4,] "1_Motala_merge" "8.1542"
[5,] "1_Ire8" "8.9605"
[6,] "1_Ajvide70" "10.6484"
[7,] "1_Ajvide53" "11.4786"
[8,] "1_Ajvide52" "11.8582"
[9,] "1_Skoglund_HG" "11.9667"
[10,] "1_Ajvide59" "16.915"
[11,] "1_StoraForvar11" "18.7729"
[12,] "Finn" "20.5992"
[13,] "Karelian" "21.2725"
[14,] "Finnish_FIN" "21.4464"
[15,] "Finn-East" "21.5908"

LaBrana

[,1] [,2]
[1,] "1_LaBrana" "0"
[2,] "1_Loschbour" "4.4628"
[3,] "1_Motala12" "4.6728"
[4,] "1_Motala_merge" "4.6772"
[5,] "1_Ire8" "5.8175"
[6,] "1_Ajvide70" "7.923"
[7,] "1_Ajvide53" "9.228"
[8,] "1_Ajvide52" "9.6897"
[9,] "1_Skoglund_HG" "9.9139"
[10,] "1_Ajvide59" "15.5308"
[11,] "1_StoraForvar11" "17.456"
[12,] "Karelian" "20.8505"
[13,] "Finn" "20.8679"
[14,] "Finnish_FIN" "21.9027"
[15,] "Finn-East" "22.0782"



Scandinavian hunter-gatherers:


Motala12

[,1] [,2]
[1,] "1_Motala12" "0"
[2,] "1_Motala_merge" "0.1217"
[3,] "1_Ire8" "3.7562"
[4,] "1_LaBrana" "4.6728"
[5,] "1_Ajvide70" "6.8565"
[6,] "1_Ajvide53" "8.103"
[7,] "1_Loschbour" "8.1537"
[8,] "1_Ajvide52" "8.6531"
[9,] "1_Skoglund_HG" "8.7553"
[10,] "1_Ajvide59" "14.8452"
[11,] "1_StoraForvar11" "16.8991"
[12,] "Karelian" "21.0296"
[13,] "Finn" "21.7258"
[14,] "Vepsa" "22.178"
[15,] "Finnish_FIN" "22.9362"

Motala_merge

[,1] [,2]
[1,] "1_Motala_merge" "0"
[2,] "1_Motala12" "0.1217"
[3,] "1_Ire8" "3.7568"
[4,] "1_LaBrana" "4.6772"
[5,] "1_Ajvide70" "6.8075"
[6,] "1_Ajvide53" "8.1076"
[7,] "1_Loschbour" "8.1542"
[8,] "1_Ajvide52" "8.6005"
[9,] "1_Skoglund_HG" "8.7189"
[10,] "1_Ajvide59" "14.8451"
[11,] "1_StoraForvar11" "16.8485"
[12,] "Karelian" "21.048"
[13,] "Finn" "21.7463"
[14,] "Vepsa" "22.1937"
[15,] "Finnish_FIN" "22.954"

Ire8

[,1] [,2]
[1,] "1_Ire8" "0"
[2,] "1_Motala12" "3.7562"
[3,] "1_Motala_merge" "3.7568"
[4,] "1_LaBrana" "5.8175"
[5,] "1_Ajvide70" "6.3795"
[6,] "1_Ajvide53" "6.8509"
[7,] "1_Ajvide52" "7.9484"
[8,] "1_Loschbour" "8.9605"
[9,] "1_Skoglund_HG" "9.5378"
[10,] "1_Ajvide59" "15.2808"
[11,] "1_StoraForvar11" "16.7255"
[12,] "Karelian" "21.2915"
[13,] "Finn" "21.9948"
[14,] "Vepsa" "22.423"
[15,] "Finnish_FIN" "23.2053"

Skoglund_HG

[,1] [,2]
[1,] "1_Skoglund_HG" "0"
[2,] "1_Motala_merge" "8.7189"
[3,] "1_Motala12" "8.7553"
[4,] "1_Ajvide70" "9.1418"
[5,] "1_Ire8" "9.5378"
[6,] "1_LaBrana" "9.9139"
[7,] "1_Ajvide52" "10.327"
[8,] "1_Ajvide53" "11.9458"
[9,] "1_Loschbour" "11.9667"
[10,] "1_Ajvide59" "17.0414"
[11,] "1_StoraForvar11" "17.0496"
[12,] "Karelian" "22.3437"
[13,] "Finn" "22.958"
[14,] "Vepsa" "23.4031"
[15,] "Finnish_FIN" "24.0738"


StoraForvar11

[,1] [,2]
[1,] "1_StoraForvar11" "0"
[2,] "Karelian" "14.9744"
[3,] "1_Ajvide59" "14.9756"
[4,] "1_Ajvide70" "14.982"
[5,] "Vepsa" "15.4558"
[6,] "Estonian" "15.6884"
[7,] "1_Ajvide52" "15.7102"
[8,] "Latvian" "16.0012"
[9,] "Finn" "16.2754"
[10,] "North-Russian" "16.3936"
[11,] "1_Ire8" "16.7255"
[12,] "1_Motala_merge" "16.8485"
[13,] "1_Motala12" "16.8991"
[14,] "Finnish_FIN" "17.0233"
[15,] "1_Skoglund_HG" "17.0496"

Ajvide52

[,1] [,2]
[1,] "1_Ajvide52" "0"
[2,] "1_Ajvide53" "7.2487"
[3,] "1_Ire8" "7.9484"
[4,] "1_Ajvide70" "8.0519"
[5,] "1_Motala_merge" "8.6005"
[6,] "1_Motala12" "8.6531"
[7,] "1_LaBrana" "9.6897"
[8,] "1_Skoglund_HG" "10.327"
[9,] "1_Loschbour" "11.8582"
[10,] "1_StoraForvar11" "15.7102"
[11,] "1_Ajvide59" "17.1252"
[12,] "Karelian" "22.4202"
[13,] "Finn" "23.2241"
[14,] "Vepsa" "23.5327"
[15,] "Finn-East" "24.2582"

Ajvide53

[,1] [,2]
[1,] "1_Ajvide53" "0"
[2,] "1_Ire8" "6.8509"
[3,] "1_Ajvide52" "7.2487"
[4,] "1_Motala12" "8.103"
[5,] "1_Motala_merge" "8.1076"
[6,] "1_LaBrana" "9.228"
[7,] "1_Ajvide70" "9.7026"
[8,] "1_Loschbour" "11.4786"
[9,] "1_Skoglund_HG" "11.9458"
[10,] "1_Ajvide59" "16.8856"
[11,] "1_StoraForvar11" "18.1891"
[12,] "Karelian" "22.3953"
[13,] "Finn" "23.0768"
[14,] "Vepsa" "23.5105"
[15,] "Finnish_FIN" "24.2226"

Ajvide70

[,1] [,2]
[1,] "1_Ajvide70" "0"
[2,] "1_Ire8" "6.3795"
[3,] "1_Motala_merge" "6.8075"
[4,] "1_Motala12" "6.8565"
[5,] "1_LaBrana" "7.923"
[6,] "1_Ajvide52" "8.0519"
[7,] "1_Skoglund_HG" "9.1418"
[8,] "1_Ajvide53" "9.7026"
[9,] "1_Loschbour" "10.6484"
[10,] "1_StoraForvar11" "14.982"
[11,] "1_Ajvide59" "16.312"
[12,] "Karelian" "21.8905"
[13,] "Finn" "22.5793"
[14,] "Vepsa" "22.9644"
[15,] "Finnish_FIN" "23.7761"

Ajvide59

[,1] [,2]
[1,] "1_Ajvide59" "0"
[2,] "1_Motala_merge" "14.8451"
[3,] "1_Motala12" "14.8452"
[4,] "1_StoraForvar11" "14.9756"
[5,] "1_Ire8" "15.2808"
[6,] "1_LaBrana" "15.5308"
[7,] "Karelian" "15.7041"
[8,] "Vepsa" "16.2123"
[9,] "1_Ajvide70" "16.312"
[10,] "Finn" "16.822"
[11,] "1_Ajvide53" "16.8856"
[12,] "1_Loschbour" "16.915"
[13,] "1_Skoglund_HG" "17.0414"
[14,] "Estonian" "17.0688"
[15,] "1_Ajvide52" "17.1252"

Vadim Verenich
09-11-2014, 07:00 PM
The next component is Caucasian with the highest peak in western Caucasian populations. The component is defined by very clear gradient of allele frequencies from Georgia to Anatolia.


Georgian_Laz 0.821492
Laz 0.818464
1_Gokhem5 0.711694
Laz 0.70541
Georgian_WGA 0.691113
Georgian_Imereti 0.684741
Georgian 0.684474
Georgian_Megrels 0.681446
Georgian_Laz 0.680681
Georgian_Megrels 0.675271
Georgian_Imereti 0.675205
Svan 0.671911
Georgian_Imereti 0.662551
Georgian 0.659048
Georgian_Megrels 0.657474
Georgian_Megrels 0.654783
Georgian_Megrels 0.65335
Georgian 0.650784
Georgian_Imereti 0.647825
Georgian 0.645237
Laz 0.645115
Abkhasian 0.641327
Megrel 0.639837
Georgian_Megrels 0.639204
Georgian 0.639149
Abkhasian 0.638269
Turkish_Trabzon 0.636678
Turkish_Trabzon 0.636651
Georgian_Laz 0.63585
Georgian 0.634575
Megrel 0.633793
Georgian_Megrels 0.632371
Georgian_Laz 0.631531
Georgian_Megrels 0.630736
Georgian_Imereti 0.62914
Abkhasian 0.628619
Georgian 0.62664
Adjara 0.626422
Svan 0.625896
Georgian_WGA 0.62515
Abkhasian 0.623876
Laz 0.622487
Laz 0.62213
Georgian 0.621882
Turkish_Trabzon 0.621602
Svan 0.621425
Abkhasian 0.619614
Turkish_Trabzon 0.615894
Georgian_Laz 0.613303
Greek_Coriell 0.612396
Megrel 0.612109
Georgian_Megrels 0.608528
Abkhasian 0.60762
Druze 0.606867
Abkhasian 0.60662

Vadim Verenich
09-11-2014, 07:14 PM
The Archaic-Human component could be one of the most puzzling components in K23beta.
In my opinion, we can interpret this component as an indication of the average similarity between particular human genome and the common ancestor of primates (including hominid apes) and some extinct human species, like Denisovans


0_Chimp 0.99978
0_Denisova 0.99978
0_Denisova_light 0.99978
0_Gorilla 0.99978
0_Macaque 0.99978
0_Marmoset 0.99978
Orang 0.99978
0_Altai 0.671691
1_Gokhem4 0.083018
1_Ajvide53 0.047873
1_Gokhem5 0.044451
1_Ajvide52 0.038573
1_Ire8 0.032029
1_AusAboriginal 0.025221
1_Anzik 0.023298
1_StoraForvar11 0.021811
1_Ajvide70 0.019354


The East-African (African_Horn?)component appears to be prevalent in different populations of East Africa, including Hazda, Ari, Gumuz, Ethiopians and Somalis, hence its name


Hadza 0.648731
Hadza 0.644991
Hadza_Henn_WGA 0.643891
Hadza_Henn 0.638477
Hadza 0.636183
Gumuz 0.624079
Hadza 0.618663
Ari 0.616049
Hadza 0.614572
Hadza 0.606882
Gumuz 0.606746
Ari 0.602108
Gumuz 0.598505
Ari 0.596277
Hadza 0.588801
Ari 0.575349
Ari 0.574241
Somali 0.565494
Somali 0.565146
Datog 0.549271
Somali 0.547016
Somali 0.54689
Somali 0.540673
Somali 0.535585
Oromo 0.532818
Somali 0.52497
Datog 0.524179
Ethiopians 0.524117
Oromo 0.521472

The East-Siberian component derives from the plenty of Siberian populations, and there is a good reason to call it just the Siberian component. The component seems to be modal in Nganasans.


Nganasan 0.99978
Nganasan 0.99978
Nganasan 0.99978
Nganasan 0.99978
Nganasan 0.99978
Nganasan 0.99978
Nganasan 0.999777
Nganasan 0.906804
Nenets 0.7187
Evenk 0.71274
Nenets 0.71191
Nenets 0.711469
Nenets 0.709517
Nganasan 0.691253
Nenets 0.68766
Nenets 0.687499
Nenets 0.684507
Nenets 0.671016
Evenk 0.669719
Selkup 0.638297
Evenkis 0.630386
Evenkis 0.630125
Nenets 0.612409
Dolgan 0.604732
Itelmen 0.603162
Selkup 0.594106
Evenkis 0.590635
Yukagir_Tundra 0.582079
Even 0.580899
Selkup 0.576542
Yukagir_Tundra 0.571972
Selkup 0.569674
Yukagir_Tundra 0.568984
Evenkis 0.568106
Yakut 0.564682
Yukagir_Tundra 0.553092
Yakut 0.548119
Yakut 0.546633
Ulchi 0.545878
Selkup 0.543782
Yukagir_Tundra 0.54108
Kets 0.531686

Dr_McNinja
09-11-2014, 07:18 PM
Do you really expect the world-scale Oracle to predict the home address of your ancestors? If this is the case, then you completely misunderstand the science behind Admixture algorithm
It's funny, whenever you split up the components into latitude/longitude coordinates, I usually get near my parents' village in Pakistan (near Faisalabad, Punjab). It's a coincidence because that's not their ancestral village except in the last 100-200 years. Same thing with this calculator. Although here Sein gets an area in Afghanistan south of Kabul between Ghazni and Khost. I used Odisha, India for ASI, Georgia for Caucasus, Lithuania for WHG+EEF, Haryana India for ANI, south Siberia for ANE+Arctic-type, Vietnam for other East Eurasian (minimal in South Asians in this calculator). I think HRP0370 would also get near northwestern Afghanistan (where their ancestors are from) if I didn't subsume Near East/North African into the Caucasus component or took into account EEF separately from WHG. The other Punjabis are generally landing somewhere within Punjab too. South Indian Brahmins would land somewhere between Jaipur and New Delhi (just south of Haryana, India which I used for ANI here, which makes some sense).

Vadim Verenich
09-11-2014, 07:22 PM
The European-Early-Farmers component appears to be only partially related to Lazaridis's EEF component. Therefore, i would like to warn against interpreting your results as the percentage of 'Neolithic genes'. What it shows in reality is how your genome is similar to Oetzi-like and Scandinavian Neolithic-like ancestry


0.914913
0.905785
0.785619
0.761157
0.75555
0.748504
0.747943
0.745458
0.744594
0.744266
0.740091
0.734037
0.732182
0.732102
0.73124
0.730097
0.729357
0.728706
0.727265
0.724459
0.724201
0.721321
0.720213
0.71998
0.716369
0.714745
0.714714
0.710375
0.709887
0.704486
0.703485
0.703046
0.699277
0.699259
0.69885
0.698472
0.690795
0.689665
0.686698
0.685596
0.684323
0.683126
0.680533
0.678665
0.677391

Vadim Verenich
09-11-2014, 07:24 PM
It's funny, whenever you split up the components into latitude/longitude coordinates, I usually get near my parents' village in Pakistan (near Faisalabad, Punjab). It's a coincidence because that's not their ancestral village except in the last 100-200 years. Same thing with this calculator. Although here Sein gets an area in Afghanistan south of Kabul between Ghazni and Khost. I used Odisha, India for ASI, Georgia for Caucasus, Lithuania for WHG+EEF, Haryana India for ANI, south Siberia for ANE+Arctic-type, Vietnam for other East Eurasian (minimal in South Asians in this calculator). I think HRP0370 would also get near northwestern Afghanistan (where their ancestors are from) if I didn't subsume Near East/North African into the Caucasus component or took into account EEF separately from WHG. The other Punjabis are generally landing somewhere within Punjab too. South Indian Brahmins would land somewhere between Jaipur and New Delhi (just south of Haryana, India which I used for ANI here, which makes some sense).

What kind of algorithm are you using? SPA or GPS?

Vadim Verenich
09-11-2014, 07:44 PM
The Khoisan component represents Khoisan related ancestry


Taa_West 0.911714
Taa_West 0.908519
Taa_West 0.902637
Taa_West 0.894621
Taa_West 0.888892
Taa_North 0.882755
Taa_West 0.882707
Taa_West 0.879927
Taa_North 0.879618
Ju_hoan_North 0.873433
Naro 0.872554
Taa_North 0.870455
Ju_hoan_North 0.870393
Ju_hoan_North 0.869631
Ju_hoan_South 0.869026
Ju_hoan_South 0.867802
Ju_hoan_South 0.866782
Ju_hoan_North 0.866169
Ju_hoan_North 0.865355
Taa_North 0.864685
Ju_hoan_North 0.864333
Ju_hoan_North 0.864314
Ju_hoan_North 0.864263
Ju_hoan_South 0.86216
Ju_hoan_North 0.86187
Ju_hoan_North 0.861532
Taa_North 0.858696
Naro 0.858385
Taa_North 0.858056
Naro 0.857915
Ju_hoan_North 0.857654
Ju_hoan_South 0.857535
Ju_hoan_South 0.856029
Naro 0.853902
Ju_hoan_South 0.853213
Gui 0.853156
Xuun 0.851174
Ju_hoan_North 0.850144
Gui 0.849162
Taa_North 0.848113
Naro 0.847814
Gui 0.84664
Naro 0.845733


TheMelano-Polinesian (Melano-Polynesian) component represents ancestry related to the people of Melano-Polynesian stock.


Bougainville 0.99978
Bougainville 0.99978
Bougainville 0.99978
Bougainville 0.99978
Bougainville 0.99978
Bougainville 0.99978
Bougainville 0.99978
Bougainville 0.952632
Australian_ECCAC 0.454957
Australian 0.451702
Australian 0.440654
Australian_ECCAC 0.437328
Tongan 0.420571
Tongan 0.417505
Tongan 0.41415
Tongan 0.412015
Tongan 0.409904
Tongan 0.407336
Tongan 0.402104
Tongan 0.40111
Tongan 0.394157
Samoan 0.375173
Samoan 0.373192

Ebizur
09-11-2014, 08:08 PM
Austroloid (Australoid) component correlates with the area populated by 'Australoid' peoples ranged throughout Indonesia, Malaysia, Australia, New Guinea, Melanesia, the Andaman Islands
Papuan 0.999771
Papuan 0.76179
Australian 0.559136
Australian_ECCAC 0.554022
Australian 0.548088
Australian_ECCAC 0.530471
1_AusAboriginal 0.490001
Australian_ECCAC 0.425204
Australian 0.389888
Bajo 0.297873
Australian_ECCAC 0.257585
Australian_ECCAC 0.243526
Australian_ECCAC 0.23831
Australian_ECCAC 0.206587
Bajo 0.184387
Onge 0.147676
Onge 0.142201Are the "Bajo" here the Bajaw/Bajau "Sea Gypsies" (an Austronesian-speaking Muslim population) of the Malay Archipelago?

Vadim Verenich
09-11-2014, 08:44 PM
Are the "Bajo" here the Bajaw/Bajau "Sea Gypsies" (an Austronesian-speaking Muslim population) of the Malay Archipelago?

Yes, they are sea gypsies

Dimanto
09-11-2014, 09:02 PM
A woman with all 4 grandparents from Groningen (The Netherlands):

----------------------------
FINAL ADMIXTURE PROPORTIONS:
----------------------------

0.31% Amerindian
4.93% Ancestral-North-Eura
4.84% Ancestral-North-Indi
0.09% Arctic
0.26% Ancestral-South-Indi
0.14% Austroloid
0.05% Austronesian
20.42% Caucasian
0.01% Archaic-Human
0.06% East-African
0.07% East-Siberian
24.61% European_Early_Farme
0.00% Khoisan
0.03% Melano-Polinesian
0.00% Archaic-African
0.29% Near-East
1.77% North-African
0.03% Paleo-Siberian
0.14% African-Pygmy
0.08% South-East-Asian
0.01% Subsaharian
0.07% Altaiс
41.79% European_Hunters_Gat

[1,] "Swede" "2.4216"
[2,] "Dutch" "2.4229"
[3,] "North_German" "3.4546"
[4,] "Mixed_European" "3.5361"
[5,] "English" "3.8113"
[6,] "Belgian" "4.1694"
[7,] "N._European" "4.4743"
[8,] "Swedish" "4.5383"
[9,] "South-German" "5.0423"
[10,] "Norwegian" "5.2352"
[11,] "Icelandic" "5.2674"
[12,] "Mixed_German" "6.1499"
[13,] "CEU" "6.6419"
[14,] "English_Kent_GBR" "6.8965"
[15,] "Germans" "7.1219"
[16,] "English_Cornwall_GBR" "7.2545"
[17,] "Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR" "7.623"
[18,] "Welsh" "7.733"
[19,] "Austrian" "8.1151"
[20,] "Orcadian" "8.4977"
[21,] "United-Kingdom" "8.849"
[22,] "Mixed_CEU" "8.9458"
[23,] "German" "10.5858"

[1,] "74.3% English_Cornwall_GBR + 25.7% Estonian" "1.172"
[2,] "75.7% English + 24.3% Finn-West" "1.1767"
[3,] "15.7% Mordovian + 84.3% N._European" "1.1797"
[4,] "74.9% English_Cornwall_GBR + 25.1% Latvian" "1.1954"
[5,] "77.7% English_Cornwall_GBR + 22.3% Kuban_cossack" "1.2586"
[6,] "16.4% Mordovians + 83.6% N._European" "1.2771"
[7,] "16.7% Latvian + 83.3% N._European" "1.2836"
[8,] "79.2% CEU + 20.8% Kuban_cossack" "1.2965"
[9,] "84% N._European + 16% Russian" "1.3084"
[10,] "17.1% Estonian + 82.9% N._European" "1.3122"
[11,] "33.9% Belgian + 66.1% Swede" "1.3264"
[12,] "36.1% English + 63.9% Swede" "1.3385"
[13,] "54.9% English + 45.1% Swedish" "1.3394"
[14,] "76.2% English_Cornwall_GBR + 23.8% Lithuanian" "1.3721"
[15,] "79.5% Norwegian + 20.5% Russian_South" "1.3741"
[16,] "31.4% Hungarian_Coriell + 68.6% Norwegian" "1.3933"
[17,] "84.9% N._European + 15.1% Russian-South" "1.3944"
[18,] "39% Icelandic + 61% Mixed_European" "1.4009"
[19,] "60.9% Mixed_European + 39.1% Norwegian" "1.4091"
[20,] "84.5% N._European + 15.5% Russian-Center" "1.4183"
[21,] "85.4% English + 14.6% Estonian" "1.4192"
[22,] "50% Dutch + 50% Swede" "1.4221"

Dimanto
09-11-2014, 10:02 PM
Frisian:

----------------------------
FINAL ADMIXTURE PROPORTIONS:
----------------------------

0.07% Amerindian
6.92% Ancestral-North-Eura
7.87% Ancestral-North-Indi
0.05% Arctic
0.31% Ancestral-South-Indi
0.01% Austroloid
0.03% Austronesian
19.99% Caucasian
0.00% Archaic-Human
0.01% East-African
0.11% East-Siberian
24.89% European_Early_Farme
0.00% Khoisan
0.06% Melano-Polinesian
0.00% Archaic-African
0.84% Near-East
0.53% North-African
0.03% Paleo-Siberian
0.00% African-Pygmy
0.04% South-East-Asian
0.01% Subsaharian
0.05% Altaiс
38.17% European_Hunters_Gat

[1,] "Dutch" "3.1598"
[2,] "English" "4.4481"
[3,] "Swede" "4.6727"
[4,] "Icelandic" "4.7767"
[5,] "Norwegian" "4.8579"
[6,] "N._European" "5.3847"
[7,] "Belgian" "5.5866"
[8,] "North_German" "5.9357"
[9,] "Swedish" "6.029"
[10,] "Mixed_European" "6.0491"
[11,] "Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR" "6.4995"
[12,] "CEU" "6.5913"
[13,] "English_Cornwall_GBR" "6.9943"
[14,] "Mixed_German" "7.2488"
[15,] "South-German" "7.2841"
[16,] "English_Kent_GBR" "7.388"
[17,] "Welsh" "7.5862"
[18,] "Orcadian" "7.62"
[19,] "United-Kingdom" "9.9122"
[20,] "Germans" "10.007"
[21,] "Austrian" "10.261"
[22,] "Mixed_CEU" "10.6238"
[23,] "British" "11.2503"

[1,] "86.8% Norwegian + 13.2% Stalskoe" "1.0279"
[2,] "10.8% Chechen + 89.2% Norwegian" "1.0358"
[3,] "88.9% Norwegian + 11.1% Urkarah" "1.0372"
[4,] "11.1% Lezgin + 88.9% Norwegian" "1.0687"
[5,] "11.2% Lak + 88.8% Norwegian" "1.1208"
[6,] "10.9% Avar + 89.1% Norwegian" "1.1239"
[7,] "10.9% Lezgins + 89.1% Norwegian" "1.1389"
[8,] "11.3% Kumyk + 88.7% Norwegian" "1.2438"
[9,] "11.1% Azeri_Dagestan + 88.9% Norwegian" "1.2808"
[10,] "10.5% Chechen + 89.5% Icelandic" "1.3052"
[11,] "10.5% Adygei + 89.5% Norwegian" "1.3164"
[12,] "89% Norwegian + 11% Tabassaran" "1.3557"
[13,] "10.3% North_Ossetian + 89.7% Norwegian" "1.3735"
[14,] "87.2% Icelandic + 12.8% Stalskoe" "1.3888"
[15,] "10.3% Adygei + 89.7% Icelandic" "1.3941"
[16,] "89.9% Icelandic + 10.1% North_Ossetian" "1.4139"
[17,] "90.2% Norwegian + 9.8% Ossetian" "1.4215"
[18,] "10.3% Balkar + 89.7% Norwegian" "1.4333"
[19,] "8.5% Abkhasian + 91.5% Icelandic" "1.4547"
[20,] "10.2% Balkar + 89.8% Icelandic" "1.4566"
[21,] "89% Icelandic + 11% Kumyk" "1.4633"
[22,] "91.8% Icelandic + 8.2% Svan" "1.4706"
[23,] "90.4% Icelandic + 9.6% Ossetian" "1.504"

ZephyrousMandaru
09-11-2014, 10:09 PM
Anyone remember the command to exclude populations from Oracle?

X <- X[setdiff(1:227,which(X[,1]=="IBS" | X[,1]=="Insert Population")),]

Sein
09-11-2014, 10:20 PM
To whom it may concern

I'd like to inform you that i have released a beta version of the fine-scale K27 calculato (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6n7iMc2P-yQd0hWR3YwSWRlMnM/edit?usp=sharing)r for public use.
At this moment, i don't have enough time to explain new methodology used in the design of K27 model - so now it will only suffice to say that i followed the guidelines for reducing the impact of the calculator effect (as described per Generalissimo Polako).

Vadim,

If possible, could you post results for MA1, Loschbour, La Brana-1, Tajik_Pomiri, Tadjik, and Punjabi_Lahore_PJL? This would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Ebizur
09-11-2014, 10:26 PM
Yes, they are sea gypsiesThank you, Vadim. It is interesting that the Bajaw exhibit greater membership in that component than the Onge of the Andaman Islands.

What are the other components besides Australoid that comprise the Bajaw and the Onge? Can you give us a complete breakdown?

Dr_McNinja
09-11-2014, 10:44 PM
X <- X[setdiff(1:227,which(X[,1]=="IBS" | X[,1]=="Insert Population")),]
My Oracle before:

[1,] "Jatt-Muslim" "2.1359"
[2,] "Tiwari" "5.9754"
[3,] "Pakistani" "6.2983"
[4,] "GujaratiA_GIH" "6.4555"
[5,] "Brahmin-Tamil" "7.6969"
[6,] "GujaratiB_GIH" "7.7683"
[7,] "Jatt-Pahari" "8.2105"
[8,] "Jatt-Haryana" "8.3791"
[9,] "Kshatriya" "10.452"
[10,] "Vaish" "10.7356"

Then I ran that command and got this:

[1,] "GujaratiA_GIH" "6.4555"
[2,] "Brahmin-Tamil" "7.6969"
[3,] "GujaratiB_GIH" "7.7683"
[4,] "Brahmins_UP" "12.6861"
[5,] "Brahmins_Tamil" "13.2342"
[6,] "Cochin_Jew" "13.2412"
[7,] "GujaratiC_GIH" "15.6206"
[8,] "Burusho" "16.4075"
[9,] "Dharkars" "20.2249"
[10,] "GujaratiD_GIH" "20.6277"


[1,] "21.5% Afghan_Pushtun + 78.5% Brahmin-Tamil" "2.5382"
[2,] "12% Dutch + 88% GujaratiB_GIH" "2.8274"
[3,] "11.6% Austrian + 88.4% GujaratiB_GIH" "2.8431"
[4,] "88.2% GujaratiB_GIH + 11.8% Hungarian_Metspalu" "2.8467"
[5,] "11.2% Bulgarian + 88.8% GujaratiB_GIH" "2.8969"
[6,] "12.1% German + 87.9% GujaratiB_GIH" "2.9034"
[7,] "88.4% GujaratiB_GIH + 11.6% Hungarian_Coriell" "2.906"
[8,] "10.8% Ashkenazi_Jew + 89.2% GujaratiB_GIH" "2.9666"
[9,] "11.7% English + 88.3% GujaratiB_GIH" "2.9772"
[10,] "11.9% Czech + 88.1% GujaratiB_GIH" "2.9928"

Not sure why the other Jatt groups disappeared? Interesting that in this one I'm getting some Western/Central European groups. Maybe because I got 3.3% EEF.

Here's the breakdown for just "Jatt-Muslim":


[1,] "Jatt-Muslim" "0"
[2,] "30.7% Afghan_Pushtun + 69.3% Kshatriya" "1.5992"
[3,] "51.5% Jatt-Pahari + 48.5% Tiwari" "1.6123"
[4,] "68.3% Brahmins_Tamil + 31.7% Tajik_Pomiri" "1.6326"
[5,] "24.2% Afghan_Pushtun + 75.8% GujaratiB_GIH" "1.6465"
[6,] "37.4% Afghan_Pushtun + 62.6% Meghawal" "1.651"
[7,] "74.9% Brahmin-Tamil + 25.1% Pashtun" "1.7107"
[8,] "31.9% Pathan + 68.1% Tiwari" "1.7584"
[9,] "60.6% Pathan + 39.4% Srivastava" "1.848"
[10,] "50.8% Brahmins_UP + 49.2% Pathan" "1.8631"
[11,] "42.3% Brahmin-Tamil + 57.7% Jatt-Pahari" "1.8704"
[12,] "25.3% Cochin_Jew + 74.7% GujaratiA_GIH" "1.8785"
[13,] "58.4% GujaratiD_GIH + 41.6% Tajik_Pomiri" "1.8812"
[14,] "66.6% Meghawal + 33.4% Tajik_Pomiri" "1.8829"
[15,] "45.1% Pathan + 54.9% Vaish" "1.8833"
[16,] "64.3% Jatt-Pahari + 35.7% Kshatriya" "1.8957"
[17,] "65.5% GujaratiB_GIH + 34.5% Pakistani_Pushtun" "1.9028"
[18,] "62.7% Brahmin-Tamil + 37.3% Pathan" "1.9343"
[19,] "31.1% Brahmins_UP + 68.9% Jatt-Pahari" "1.9396"
[20,] "62.7% Meghawal + 37.3% Pashtun" "1.947"


For Jatt-Pahari:


[1,] "Jatt-Pahari" "0"
[2,] "87.3% Pakistani + 12.7% Stalskoe" "1.5201"
[3,] "10.5% Georgian_Imereti + 89.5% GujaratiA_GIH" "1.5822"
[4,] "13.5% Hallaki + 86.5% Pathan" "1.612"
[5,] "89% Pathan + 11% Pulliyar" "1.6618"
[6,] "10.7% Georgian_Megrels + 89.3% GujaratiA_GIH" "1.6764"
[7,] "89.1% GujaratiA_GIH + 10.9% Megrel" "1.6807"
[8,] "14% Kurumba + 86% Pathan" "1.682"
[9,] "60.1% Pakistani + 39.9% Pakistani_Pushtun" "1.683"
[10,] "13.4% Madiga + 86.6% Pathan" "1.6837"
[11,] "12.2% Malayan + 87.8% Pathan" "1.6924"
[12,] "12.4% Azeri_Dagestan + 87.6% Pakistani" "1.696"
[13,] "10.9% Georgian + 89.1% GujaratiA_GIH" "1.7033"
[14,] "90% GujaratiA_GIH + 10% Laz" "1.7042"
[15,] "86% Pathan + 14% TN_Dalit" "1.7066"
[16,] "21.2% Marwadi-Middle-caste + 78.8% Pathan" "1.708"
[17,] "12.2% Lezgin + 87.8% Pakistani" "1.7164"
[18,] "12.7% Lak + 87.3% Pakistani" "1.7176"
[19,] "11.2% Paniya + 88.8% Pathan" "1.7177"
[20,] "87.3% Pakistani + 12.7% Urkarah" "1.7391"


For Jatt-Haryana:


[1,] "Jatt-Haryana" "0"
[2,] "56.8% Brahmins_UP + 43.2% Tajik_Pomiri" "1.9687"
[3,] "47.8% Srivastava + 52.2% Tajik_Pomiri" "2.0809"
[4,] "40.8% Lodhi + 59.2% Tajik_Pomiri" "2.2046"
[5,] "39.4% Dusadh + 60.6% Tajik_Pomiri" "2.2715"
[6,] "45.8% Muslim + 54.2% Tajik_Pomiri" "2.2823"
[7,] "48% Dharkars + 52% Tajik_Pomiri" "2.3426"
[8,] "37.4% Kol + 62.6% Tajik_Pomiri" "2.4066"
[9,] "45.8% Kanjars + 54.2% Tajik_Pomiri" "2.4177"
[10,] "32.2% Tajik_Pomiri + 67.8% Tiwari" "2.4669"
[11,] "39.3% Scheduled_Caste_Tamil_Nadu + 60.7% Tajik_Pomiri" "2.4712"
[12,] "61.7% Tajik_Pomiri + 38.3% Vysya" "2.4817"
[13,] "36.8% Kamsali + 63.2% Tajik_Pomiri" "2.4941"
[14,] "39.6% Scheduled_Caste_UP + 60.4% Tajik_Pomiri" "2.5367"
[15,] "35.2% Sakilli + 64.8% Tajik_Pomiri" "2.7744"
[16,] "49.8% Punjabi_Lahore_PJL + 50.2% Tajik_Pomiri" "2.8576"
[17,] "40.7% Naidu + 59.3% Tajik_Pomiri" "2.8593"
[18,] "62.9% Tajik_Pomiri + 37.1% Vishwabrahmin" "2.8594"
[19,] "44.8% Tajik_Pomiri + 55.2% TN_Brahmin" "3.0314"
[20,] "41.4% Piramalai_Kallars + 58.6% Tajik_Pomiri" "3.0333"

Dr_McNinja
09-11-2014, 10:51 PM
What kind of algorithm are you using? SPA or GPS?I think it's more similar to GPS? I just use latitude/longitude coordinates for the components and average them in proportion.

ZephyrousMandaru
09-11-2014, 10:53 PM
My K=27 Beta ADMIXTURE Proportions



0.08% Amerindian
1.85% Ancestral-North-Eura
17.76% Ancestral-North-Indi
0.16% Arctic
0.76% Ancestral-South-Indi
0.68% Austroloid
0.14% Austronesian
44.11% Caucasian
0.07% Archaic-Human
0.34% East-African
0.08% East-Siberian
10.94% European_Early_Farme
0.36% Khoisan
0.34% Melano-Polinesian
0.20% Archaic-African
17.17% Near-East
3.75% North-African
0.21% Paleo-Siberian
0.20% African-Pygmy
0.06% South-East-Asian
0.03% Subsaharian
0.05% Altaiс
0.69% European_Hunters_Gat


Oracle

Population Sharing

[,1] [,2]
[1,] "Georgian_Jew" "3.6766"
[2,] "Jew_Tat" "5.3014"
[3,] "Iraqi_Jew" "5.898"
[4,] "Iranian_Jew" "6.1151"
[5,] "Kurd_Jew" "6.4896"
[6,] "Uzbekistani_Jews" "6.6407"
[7,] "Turkish_Adana" "6.741"
[8,] "Turkish_Kayseri" "7.835"
[9,] "Turks" "8.2465"
[10,] "Assyrian_WGA" "8.7938"
[11,] "Lebanese_Muslim" "8.9221"
[12,] "Turk" "9.0932"
[13,] "Lebanese_Druze" "9.24"
[14,] "Armenian" "9.4974"
[15,] "Armenian_WGA" "10.0887"
[16,] "Uzbekistan_Jew" "10.1327"
[17,] "Lebanese" "10.4051"
[18,] "Syrian_Jew" "11.2119"
[19,] "Uzbek_WGA" "11.7288"
[20,] "Azeri" "11.9036"

Mixed Mode

[,1] [,2]
[1,] "6.2% Basque_French + 93.8% Jew_Tat" "1.8167"
[2,] "6.3% Basque_Spanish + 93.7% Jew_Tat" "1.839"
[3,] "93% Jew_Tat + 7% Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS" "1.9066"
[4,] "42.9% Kurds + 57.1% Lebanese_Druze" "1.9815"
[5,] "4.9% 1_Gokhem7 + 95.1% Jew_Tat" "1.9972"
[6,] "5.6% 1_Skoglund_farmer + 94.4% Jew_Tat" "2.0061"
[7,] "7.1% French_South + 92.9% Jew_Tat" "2.009"
[8,] "6.3% 1_Gokhem7 + 93.7% Uzbekistani_Jews" "2.0845"
[9,] "7.8% Basque_Spanish + 92.2% Uzbekistani_Jews" "2.1568"
[10,] "6.4% 1_Otzi + 93.6% Uzbekistani_Jews" "2.1622"
[11,] "5% 1_Otzi + 95% Jew_Tat" "2.1632"
[12,] "7% 1_Skoglund_farmer + 93% Uzbekistani_Jews" "2.1638"
[13,] "7.6% Basque_French + 92.4% Uzbekistani_Jews" "2.1674"
[14,] "91.6% Jew_Tat + 8.4% Spanish_Aragon_IBS" "2.1677"
[15,] "91.3% Jew_Tat + 8.7% Spanish_Castilla_la_Mancha_IBS" "2.1682"
[16,] "91.5% Jew_Tat + 8.5% Spanish_Cantabria_IBS" "2.1754"
[17,] "91% Jew_Tat + 9% Spanish_Andalucia_IBS" "2.2126"
[18,] "49.8% Kurds + 50.2% Lebanese_Christian" "2.2512"
[19,] "90.7% Jew_Tat + 9.3% Spanish_Murcia_IBS" "2.2682"
[20,] "26.3% Greek-Islands + 73.7% Kurd_Jew" "2.2699"

StarDS9
09-11-2014, 10:57 PM
Heres mine

0.80% Amerindian
3.41% Ancestral-North-Eura
25.82% Ancestral-North-Indi
1.04% Arctic
3.23% Ancestral-South-Indi
0.06% Austroloid
0.18% Austronesian
39.42% Caucasian
0.14% Archaic-Human
0.48% East-African
0.90% East-Siberian
5.56% European_Early_Farme
0.10% Khoisan
0.05% Melano-Polinesian
0.22% Archaic-African
9.63% Near-East
2.81% North-African
0.19% Paleo-Siberian
0.14% African-Pygmy
0.78% South-East-Asian
0.04% Subsaharian
0.50% Altaiс
4.52% European_Hunters_Gat

Dr_McNinja
09-11-2014, 11:03 PM
I put a few people's results here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuXBmvmgdkfVdFMtRHVlZDBuQ3lMcjhxMDE4V3JoY lE&usp=drive_web#gid=17 Didn't get around to doing everyone, just did them from the major groups.

Just noticed Soulblighter got 0.11% Archaic Human!

jesus
09-11-2014, 11:15 PM
I put a few people's results here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuXBmvmgdkfVdFMtRHVlZDBuQ3lMcjhxMDE4V3JoY lE&usp=drive_web#gid=17 Didn't get around to doing everyone, just did them from the major groups.

Just noticed Soulblighter got 0.11% Archaic Human!

I'm the most archaic member :P 0.22%

Dr_McNinja
09-11-2014, 11:17 PM
Punjabi_Lahore_PJL


[1,] "Punjabi_Lahore_PJL" "0"
[2,] "40.3% Naidu + 59.7% Vaish" "0.7072"
[3,] "66.7% Vaish + 33.3% Vysya" "0.768"
[4,] "42.6% Piramalai_Kallars + 57.4% Vaish" "0.774"
[5,] "30.2% Brahmin-Tamil + 69.8% Kanjars" "0.7751"
[6,] "87.8% Kanjars + 12.2% Pathan" "0.8108"
[7,] "81.4% Kanjars + 18.6% Pakistani" "0.8189"
[8,] "15.4% Jatt-Pahari + 84.6% Kanjars" "0.8742"
[9,] "58.5% Brahmin-Tamil + 41.5% Vysya" "0.8842"
[10,] "54.1% Naidu + 45.9% Tiwari" "0.9085"
[11,] "85.7% Kanjars + 14.3% Punjabi-Gujjar" "0.9215"
[12,] "61.9% Kanjars + 38.1% Vaish" "0.9218"
[13,] "19.3% Jatt-Muslim + 80.7% Kanjars" "0.9226"
[14,] "59.9% GujaratiB_GIH + 40.1% Vishwabrahmin" "0.9995"
[15,] "48.6% Brahmin-Tamil + 51.4% Piramalai_Kallars" "1.0174"
[16,] "56.5% Piramalai_Kallars + 43.5% Tiwari" "1.0223"
[17,] "27.7% GujaratiB_GIH + 72.3% Kanjars" "1.0307"
[18,] "63.4% Lodhi + 36.6% Pakistani" "1.0488"
[19,] "81.6% Naidu + 18.4% Tajik_Pomiri" "1.0553"
[20,] "90.7% Kanjars + 9.3% Pashtun" "1.0648"
If these are emigrants from India, that might explain why some have similar Y-DNA lineages to Gujaratis or South/East Indians (see J2b2-M241 chart in my sig). But there's also probably low caste-origin Punjabis there too who should have the same Y-DNA lineages as other Punjabis. Though I suppose ancient migrants could've become low caste, they could've just as easily become high caste if it was on the wave of some ancient conquest or large-scale migration.

Dr_McNinja
09-11-2014, 11:18 PM
I'm the most archaic member :P 0.22%Still homo sapien technically so your Ethnicity on the left is accurate. :)

MfA
09-11-2014, 11:35 PM
Heres mine

0.80% Amerindian
3.41% Ancestral-North-Eura
25.82% Ancestral-North-Indi
1.04% Arctic
3.23% Ancestral-South-Indi
0.06% Austroloid
0.18% Austronesian
39.42% Caucasian
0.14% Archaic-Human
0.48% East-African
0.90% East-Siberian
5.56% European_Early_Farme
0.10% Khoisan
0.05% Melano-Polinesian
0.22% Archaic-African
9.63% Near-East
2.81% North-African
0.19% Paleo-Siberian
0.14% African-Pygmy
0.78% South-East-Asian
0.04% Subsaharian
0.50% Altaiс
4.52% European_Hunters_Gat



[1,] "Azeri" "3.299"
[2,] "Kurd" "3.7119"
[3,] "Baku_WGA" "5.1361"
[4,] "Uzbek_WGA" "5.5765"
[5,] "Kurds" "5.6165"
[6,] "Uzbekistan_Jew" "7.3803"
[7,] "Iranian" "7.6141"
[8,] "Azeri_Dagestan" "9.5866"
[9,] "Turkish_Adana" "11.1237"
[10,] "Turk" "11.1452"
[11,] "Turks" "11.7501"
[12,] "Georgian_Jew" "11.9751"
[13,] "Turkish_Kayseri" "12.0861"
[14,] "Stalskoe" "12.1755"
[15,] "Kurd_Jew" "12.1857"
[16,] "Lezgin" "12.1971"
[17,] "Tabassaran" "12.2066"
[18,] "Kumyk" "12.4962"
[19,] "Lezgins" "12.6994"
[20,] "Lak" "13.1348"

[1,] "90.1% Kurd + 9.9% Roma_Slovenian" "2.016"
[2,] "91.8% Kurd + 8.2% Roma_BH" "2.1853"
[3,] "91.1% Kurd + 8.9% Roma" "2.1936"
[4,] "91.2% Kurd + 8.8% Roma_Bulgarian" "2.2393"
[5,] "89.9% Kurd + 10.1% Romanians" "2.3146"
[6,] "86.3% Kurd + 13.7% Mixed_East_European" "2.3584"
[7,] "91.4% Kurd + 8.6% Roma_Macedonian" "2.3994"
[8,] "16% Cirkassian + 84% Kurd" "2.4274"
[9,] "32.8% Cirkassian + 67.2% Iranian" "2.4446"
[10,] "7.8% Afghan_Pushtun + 92.2% Azeri" "2.4826"
[11,] "95.5% Azeri + 4.5% Punjabi-Gujjar" "2.5129"
[12,] "84.4% Kurd + 15.6% Turkish_Istanbul" "2.5141"
[13,] "90.4% Kurd + 9.6% Russian_South" "2.519"
[14,] "12% Crimean_Tatar + 88% Kurd" "2.5244"
[15,] "94.8% Azeri + 5.2% Pathan" "2.5317"
[16,] "95.7% Azeri + 4.3% Sindhi" "2.5363"
[17,] "95.7% Azeri + 4.3% Balochi" "2.5541"
[18,] "8.9% Don_cossack + 91.1% Kurd" "2.5593"
[19,] "56.4% Azeri + 43.6% Kurd" "2.5607"
[20,] "96.6% Azeri + 3.4% Kalash" "2.568"

wow this one is quite accurate

ViktorL1
09-11-2014, 11:40 PM
Here are my results from k=17/GEDmatch. Where do we download the k23 beta?
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 South_East_Asian 18.58
2 Ancestral_East_Siberian 16.15
3 Caucasian-Basal 15.5
4 Ancestral_East_European_ANE 14.86
5 Ancestral_North_Indian 14.38
6 Ancestral_South_Indian 5.59
7 Ancestral_Mediterranean_EEF 4.87
8 Amerindian 2.68
9 Uralic 2.67
10 Ancestral_West_Siberian 2.37
11 West_European_HG 1.98
12 Ancestral_Sami-Finnic 0.37

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Uzbek 5.72
2 Uyghur 9.65
3 Turkmen 11.65
4 Hazara 12.21
5 Uygur 13.07
6 Karakalpak 14.77
7 Uzbek 20.85
8 Turkmen 20.96
9 Kazakh 23.2
10 Tajik 23.59
11 Tadik 24.12
12 Bashkir 28.19
13 Kyrgyzian 28.35
14 Shor 28.93
15 Tatar_Lithuanian 29.39
16 Nogais 29.78
17 Hakas 30.07
18 Pashtun 31.04
19 Altaian 31.61
20 Burusho 35.73

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 62.7% Karakalpak + 37.3% Tadik @ 4.28
2 73.2% Uzbek + 26.8% Uyghur @ 4.84
3 74.8% Karakalpak + 25.2% Kalash @ 4.85
4 62.4% Karakalpak + 37.6% Tajik @ 4.89
5 84.4% Uyghur + 15.6% Tabassaran @ 5.02
6 84.1% Uyghur + 15.9% Lezgin @ 5.07
7 85.3% Uyghur + 14.7% Avar @ 5.1
8 68.8% Karakalpak + 31.2% Pashtun @ 5.11
9 85.1% Uyghur + 14.9% Lezgin @ 5.17
10 83.8% Uzbek + 16.2% Uygur @ 5.23
11 74% Uyghur + 26% Tajik @ 5.27
12 85.7% Uyghur + 14.3% Lak @ 5.31
13 84.1% Uyghur + 15.9% Mixed_East_European @ 5.32
14 95.4% Uzbek + 4.6% Kalash @ 5.37
15 84.7% Uzbek + 15.3% Hazara @ 5.37
16 97.6% Uzbek + 2.4% Anzick @ 5.37
17 94.8% Uzbek + 5.2% Nepalese @ 5.37
18 97% Uzbek + 3% Ojibwa @ 5.38
19 97.8% Uzbek + 2.2% Inga @ 5.38
20 98.1% Uzbek + 1.9% Zapotec @ 5.41

Sein
09-11-2014, 11:58 PM
The oracle results for the Pamiri population are quite interesting:

[1,] "Tajik_Pomiri" "0"
[2,] "Pashtun" "7.357"
[3,] "Afghan_Pushtun" "9.2613"
[4,] "Tadjik" "9.688"
[5,] "Pakistani_Pushtun" "16.6862"
[6,] "Pathan" "18.4692"
[7,] "Parsi" "19.037"
[8,] "Burusho" "19.132"
[9,] "Iranian" "23.3765"
[10,] "Uzbek" "24.3134"
[11,] "Jatt-Haryana" "24.596"
[12,] "Jatt-Pahari" "24.9582"
[13,] "Turkmen" "25.0472"
[14,] "Makrani" "25.1914"
[15,] "Punjabi-Gujjar" "25.8254"
[16,] "Urkarah" "26.593"
[17,] "Lak" "26.7623"
[18,] "Sindhi" "26.8825"
[19,] "Tabassaran" "27.5427"
[20,] "Balochi" "27.6667"
[21,] "Stalskoe" "27.9131"
[22,] "Avar" "27.9344"
[23,] "Kurd" "27.9772"
[24,] "Lezgins" "28.0579"
[25,] "Azeri" "28.8006"
[26,] "Azeri_Dagestan" "28.8726"
[27,] "Baku_WGA" "29.3521"
[28,] "Lezgin" "29.5922"
[29,] "Kurds" "29.7181"
[30,] "Jatt-Muslim" "30.2173"
[31,] "GujaratiA_GIH" "30.4158"
[32,] "Uzbekistan_Jew" "30.4507"
[33,] "Mumbai_Jews" "30.8112"
[34,] "Ain_Touta_WGA" "30.8126"
[35,] "Pakistani" "30.9563"
[36,] "Uzbek_WGA" "31.0916"
[37,] "Mishar" "31.5589"
[38,] "Uyghur" "31.7127"
[39,] "Cochin_Jew" "32.1056"
[40,] "Nogai" "32.2401"

[1,] "Tajik_Pomiri" "0"
[2,] "88.2% Pashtun + 11.8% Udmurd" "4.5359"
[3,] "5.3% 1_Malta-1 + 94.7% Pashtun" "4.8962"
[4,] "5.3% 1_AG-2 + 94.7% Pashtun" "4.897"
[5,] "12.6% Komi + 87.4% Pashtun" "5.1148"
[6,] "12.4% Chuvash + 87.6% Pashtun" "5.2004"
[7,] "12.5% Bashkir + 87.5% Pashtun" "5.2677"
[8,] "12.7% Kryashen + 87.3% Pashtun" "5.2738"
[9,] "86.5% Pashtun + 13.5% Tatar" "5.3267"
[10,] "10.9% Maris + 89.1% Pashtun" "5.3597"
[11,] "92.3% Pashtun + 7.7% Tubalar" "5.4035"
[12,] "88.9% Pashtun + 11.1% Saami" "5.417"
[13,] "61.9% Pashtun + 38.1% Tadjik" "5.4653"
[14,] "89.2% Pashtun + 10.8% Saami_WGA" "5.5393"
[15,] "13.2% Mishar + 86.8% Pashtun" "5.6453"
[16,] "11.7% Finn + 88.3% Pashtun" "5.6506"
[17,] "7% Mansi + 93% Pashtun" "5.6525"
[18,] "11.7% Finn-East + 88.3% Pashtun" "5.6687"
[19,] "11.7% Karelian + 88.3% Pashtun" "5.7212"
[20,] "11.4% Finnish_FIN + 88.6% Pashtun" "5.7259"
[21,] "6.1% Hant + 93.9% Pashtun" "5.7637"
[22,] "11.4% Finn-West + 88.6% Pashtun" "5.7663"
[23,] "11.2% Mordovians + 88.8% Pashtun" "5.8158"
[24,] "88.9% Pashtun + 11.1% Vepsa" "5.8197"
[25,] "11.1% North-Russian + 88.9% Pashtun" "5.8335"
[26,] "88.9% Pashtun + 11.1% Russian" "5.8562"
[27,] "89.6% Pashtun + 10.4% Swedish" "5.8963"
[28,] "11.1% Mordovian + 88.9% Pashtun" "5.899"
[29,] "86.3% Pashtun + 13.7% Stalskoe" "5.95"
[30,] "85.7% Pashtun + 14.3% Urkarah" "5.96"
[31,] "5.9% Ket + 94.1% Pashtun" "5.9895"
[32,] "85.1% Pashtun + 14.9% Turkmen" "6.0014"
[33,] "10% Dutch + 90% Pashtun" "6.0121"
[34,] "10.5% Estonian + 89.5% Pashtun" "6.0146"
[35,] "90.1% Pashtun + 9.9% Swede" "6.0148"
[36,] "10.5% Latvian + 89.5% Pashtun" "6.0358"
[37,] "7.6% Hakas + 92.4% Pashtun" "6.0535"
[38,] "11.6% Nogai + 88.4% Pashtun" "6.0597"
[39,] "17.2% Kalash + 82.8% Tadjik" "6.0635"
[40,] "9.6% Icelandic + 90.4% Pashtun" "6.0685"

Awesome stuff, the linguistic relationship is also mirrored by a robust genetic relationship. The Pamiri languages are the closest living languages to Pashto. I guess these people might also be the genetically closest living population to ourselves.

Edit: Based on Fst distances (actual Fst distances based on raw autosomal SNP data), Tajikistani Tajiks are very genetically close to the HGDP Pashtuns (in Metspalu et al's. study, a meager Fst of 0.004). So, these Pamiri speakers must be even closer.

ZephyrousMandaru
09-11-2014, 11:59 PM
Removed Georgian Jews and Jew Tats, here's my Mixed Mode combinations.



[,1] [,2]
[1,] "47.5% Baku_WGA + 52.5% Cypriot" "3.741"
[2,] "84.9% Assyrian_WGA + 15.1% British" "4.4412"
[3,] "90.9% Assyrian_WGA + 9.1% Basque_French" "4.4854"
[4,] "90.8% Assyrian_WGA + 9.2% Basque_Spanish" "4.5124"
[5,] "52.2% Azeri + 47.8% Cypriot" "4.559"
[6,] "58.3% Azeri + 41.7% Christian-Arabs-Israel" "4.6535"
[7,] "89.5% Assyrian_WGA + 10.5% French_South" "4.6673"
[8,] "8.2% 1_Skoglund_farmer + 91.8% Assyrian_WGA" "4.7444"
[9,] "16.2% Brahui + 83.8% Druze" "4.8703"
[10,] "83.8% Assyrian_WGA + 16.2% Icelandic" "4.9107"
[11,] "83.9% Assyrian_WGA + 16.1% CEU" "4.9122"
[12,] "53.6% Baku_WGA + 46.4% Christian-Arabs-Israel" "4.9616"
[13,] "13.5% 1_Gokhem4 + 86.5% Assyrian_WGA" "4.9856"
[14,] "84.8% Assyrian_WGA + 15.2% French" "4.989"
[15,] "84% Assyrian_WGA + 16% English_Cornwall_GBR" "4.9931"
[16,] "7.1% 1_Gokhem7 + 92.9% Assyrian_WGA" "5.0048"
[17,] "83% Assyrian_WGA + 17% English" "5.0819"
[18,] "84% Assyrian_WGA + 16% English_Kent_GBR" "5.0919"
[19,] "52.2% Azeri + 47.8% Druze" "5.1078"
[20,] "74.9% Armenian + 25.1% BedouinA" "5.1349"


I wonder who the "Baku_WGA" are.

StarDS9
09-12-2014, 12:13 AM
Yes that is pretty close. In some calculators it does come close to my ancestry. I remember one of Palisto's spreadsheet oracles came very close as well.




[1,] "Azeri" "3.299"
[2,] "Kurd" "3.7119"
[3,] "Baku_WGA" "5.1361"
[4,] "Uzbek_WGA" "5.5765"
[5,] "Kurds" "5.6165"
[6,] "Uzbekistan_Jew" "7.3803"
[7,] "Iranian" "7.6141"
[8,] "Azeri_Dagestan" "9.5866"
[9,] "Turkish_Adana" "11.1237"
[10,] "Turk" "11.1452"
[11,] "Turks" "11.7501"
[12,] "Georgian_Jew" "11.9751"
[13,] "Turkish_Kayseri" "12.0861"
[14,] "Stalskoe" "12.1755"
[15,] "Kurd_Jew" "12.1857"
[16,] "Lezgin" "12.1971"
[17,] "Tabassaran" "12.2066"
[18,] "Kumyk" "12.4962"
[19,] "Lezgins" "12.6994"
[20,] "Lak" "13.1348"

[1,] "90.1% Kurd + 9.9% Roma_Slovenian" "2.016"
[2,] "91.8% Kurd + 8.2% Roma_BH" "2.1853"
[3,] "91.1% Kurd + 8.9% Roma" "2.1936"
[4,] "91.2% Kurd + 8.8% Roma_Bulgarian" "2.2393"
[5,] "89.9% Kurd + 10.1% Romanians" "2.3146"
[6,] "86.3% Kurd + 13.7% Mixed_East_European" "2.3584"
[7,] "91.4% Kurd + 8.6% Roma_Macedonian" "2.3994"
[8,] "16% Cirkassian + 84% Kurd" "2.4274"
[9,] "32.8% Cirkassian + 67.2% Iranian" "2.4446"
[10,] "7.8% Afghan_Pushtun + 92.2% Azeri" "2.4826"
[11,] "95.5% Azeri + 4.5% Punjabi-Gujjar" "2.5129"
[12,] "84.4% Kurd + 15.6% Turkish_Istanbul" "2.5141"
[13,] "90.4% Kurd + 9.6% Russian_South" "2.519"
[14,] "12% Crimean_Tatar + 88% Kurd" "2.5244"
[15,] "94.8% Azeri + 5.2% Pathan" "2.5317"
[16,] "95.7% Azeri + 4.3% Sindhi" "2.5363"
[17,] "95.7% Azeri + 4.3% Balochi" "2.5541"
[18,] "8.9% Don_cossack + 91.1% Kurd" "2.5593"
[19,] "56.4% Azeri + 43.6% Kurd" "2.5607"
[20,] "96.6% Azeri + 3.4% Kalash" "2.568"

wow this one is quite accurate

Humanist
09-12-2014, 12:47 AM
I wonder who the "Baku_WGA" are.

Perhaps Azerbaijani? Baku is the capital of Azerbaijan.

Sapporo
09-12-2014, 12:55 AM
Punjabi_Lahore_PJL

If these are emigrants from India, that might explain why some have similar Y-DNA lineages to Gujaratis or South/East Indians (see J2b2-M241 chart in my sig). But there's also probably low caste-origin Punjabis there too who should have the same Y-DNA lineages as other Punjabis. Though I suppose ancient migrants could've become low caste, they could've just as easily become high caste if it was on the wave of some ancient conquest or large-scale migration.

How representative do you think they are of Lahoris? They are quite different to the 1-2 Lahoris on HAP and most of the Punjabis on HAP whether the Arains from Xing or individual participants. I'm very curious about their biraderi or tribe. I suspect they are of chura origin or Muhajirs unless some Punjabi biraderis are somehow closer to South Indians than other Punjabis.

Also, do you mind running my oracle? Also, are Jatt Muslim and Pakistani Pashtun you and Sein?

Sein
09-12-2014, 01:02 AM
These Lahori Punjabis are getting more and more enigmatic. They must be Punjabi, as I'm sure they checked family backgrounds. They explicitly label these samples as "Punjabi". I guess the people of Pakistani Punjab are extremely diverse.

The Chura explanation could also work.

Humanist
09-12-2014, 01:13 AM
The thing that looks right about the below Oracle result is that the East Mizrahim Jews are my nearest populations.

However, the distance to Assyrians (myself + Zeph ?) seems off. Vadim, I would just deep-six the "Assyrian_WGA" for the time being.


[1,] "Kurd_Jew" "2.5821"
[2,] "Iranian_Jew" "2.7033"
[3,] "Georgian_Jew" "4.7797"
[4,] "Jew_Tat" "5.5015"
[5,] "Iraqi_Jew" "5.9223"
[6,] "Uzbekistani_Jews" "6.2161"
[7,] "Uzbekistan_Jew" "7.7356"

[8,] "Turkish_Adana" "7.766"
[9,] "Assyrian_WGA" "9.6142"
[10,] "Lebanese_Muslim" "9.7605"
[11,] "Turkish_Kayseri" "10.2147"
[12,] "Turks" "10.2175"
[13,] "Uzbek_WGA" "10.4157"
[14,] "Lebanese" "10.6489"
[15,] "Kurds" "10.7799"
[16,] "Azeri" "10.8032"
[17,] "Turk" "10.8855"
[18,] "Lebanese_Druze" "10.9011"
[19,] "Armenian" "11.2695"
[20,] "Armenian_WGA" "11.3041"

Sapporo
09-12-2014, 01:33 AM
The oracle results for the Pamiri population are quite interesting:

[1,] "Tajik_Pomiri" "0"
[2,] "Pashtun" "7.357"
[3,] "Afghan_Pushtun" "9.2613"
[4,] "Tadjik" "9.688"
[5,] "Pakistani_Pushtun" "16.6862"
[6,] "Pathan" "18.4692"
[7,] "Parsi" "19.037"
[8,] "Burusho" "19.132"
[9,] "Iranian" "23.3765"
[10,] "Uzbek" "24.3134"
[11,] "Jatt-Haryana" "24.596"
[12,] "Jatt-Pahari" "24.9582"
[13,] "Turkmen" "25.0472"
[14,] "Makrani" "25.1914"
[15,] "Punjabi-Gujjar" "25.8254"
[16,] "Urkarah" "26.593"
[17,] "Lak" "26.7623"
[18,] "Sindhi" "26.8825"
[19,] "Tabassaran" "27.5427"
[20,] "Balochi" "27.6667"
[21,] "Stalskoe" "27.9131"
[22,] "Avar" "27.9344"
[23,] "Kurd" "27.9772"
[24,] "Lezgins" "28.0579"
[25,] "Azeri" "28.8006"
[26,] "Azeri_Dagestan" "28.8726"
[27,] "Baku_WGA" "29.3521"
[28,] "Lezgin" "29.5922"
[29,] "Kurds" "29.7181"
[30,] "Jatt-Muslim" "30.2173"
[31,] "GujaratiA_GIH" "30.4158"
[32,] "Uzbekistan_Jew" "30.4507"
[33,] "Mumbai_Jews" "30.8112"
[34,] "Ain_Touta_WGA" "30.8126"
[35,] "Pakistani" "30.9563"
[36,] "Uzbek_WGA" "31.0916"
[37,] "Mishar" "31.5589"
[38,] "Uyghur" "31.7127"
[39,] "Cochin_Jew" "32.1056"
[40,] "Nogai" "32.2401"

[1,] "Tajik_Pomiri" "0"
[2,] "88.2% Pashtun + 11.8% Udmurd" "4.5359"
[3,] "5.3% 1_Malta-1 + 94.7% Pashtun" "4.8962"
[4,] "5.3% 1_AG-2 + 94.7% Pashtun" "4.897"
[5,] "12.6% Komi + 87.4% Pashtun" "5.1148"
[6,] "12.4% Chuvash + 87.6% Pashtun" "5.2004"
[7,] "12.5% Bashkir + 87.5% Pashtun" "5.2677"
[8,] "12.7% Kryashen + 87.3% Pashtun" "5.2738"
[9,] "86.5% Pashtun + 13.5% Tatar" "5.3267"
[10,] "10.9% Maris + 89.1% Pashtun" "5.3597"
[11,] "92.3% Pashtun + 7.7% Tubalar" "5.4035"
[12,] "88.9% Pashtun + 11.1% Saami" "5.417"
[13,] "61.9% Pashtun + 38.1% Tadjik" "5.4653"
[14,] "89.2% Pashtun + 10.8% Saami_WGA" "5.5393"
[15,] "13.2% Mishar + 86.8% Pashtun" "5.6453"
[16,] "11.7% Finn + 88.3% Pashtun" "5.6506"
[17,] "7% Mansi + 93% Pashtun" "5.6525"
[18,] "11.7% Finn-East + 88.3% Pashtun" "5.6687"
[19,] "11.7% Karelian + 88.3% Pashtun" "5.7212"
[20,] "11.4% Finnish_FIN + 88.6% Pashtun" "5.7259"
[21,] "6.1% Hant + 93.9% Pashtun" "5.7637"
[22,] "11.4% Finn-West + 88.6% Pashtun" "5.7663"
[23,] "11.2% Mordovians + 88.8% Pashtun" "5.8158"
[24,] "88.9% Pashtun + 11.1% Vepsa" "5.8197"
[25,] "11.1% North-Russian + 88.9% Pashtun" "5.8335"
[26,] "88.9% Pashtun + 11.1% Russian" "5.8562"
[27,] "89.6% Pashtun + 10.4% Swedish" "5.8963"
[28,] "11.1% Mordovian + 88.9% Pashtun" "5.899"
[29,] "86.3% Pashtun + 13.7% Stalskoe" "5.95"
[30,] "85.7% Pashtun + 14.3% Urkarah" "5.96"
[31,] "5.9% Ket + 94.1% Pashtun" "5.9895"
[32,] "85.1% Pashtun + 14.9% Turkmen" "6.0014"
[33,] "10% Dutch + 90% Pashtun" "6.0121"
[34,] "10.5% Estonian + 89.5% Pashtun" "6.0146"
[35,] "90.1% Pashtun + 9.9% Swede" "6.0148"
[36,] "10.5% Latvian + 89.5% Pashtun" "6.0358"
[37,] "7.6% Hakas + 92.4% Pashtun" "6.0535"
[38,] "11.6% Nogai + 88.4% Pashtun" "6.0597"
[39,] "17.2% Kalash + 82.8% Tadjik" "6.0635"
[40,] "9.6% Icelandic + 90.4% Pashtun" "6.0685"

Awesome stuff, the linguistic relationship is also mirrored by a robust genetic relationship. The Pamiri languages are the closest living languages to Pashto. I guess these people might also be the genetically closest living population to ourselves.

Edit: Based on Fst distances (actual Fst distances based on raw autosomal SNP data), Tajikistani Tajiks are very genetically close to the HGDP Pashtuns (in Metspalu et al's. study, a meager Fst of 0.004). So, these Pamiri speakers must be even closer.

Interesting. They should be representative of most Pamiris imo considering how isolated the Pamirs are. The oracle suggests their autosomal DNA results represent Pashtun with a slight Uralic pull. At least the top 3. Who are the Pashtun and Afghan Pashtuns though? Are the Tadjiks the Yunusaybev samples from Tajikistan? Finally, I presume Pakistani Pashtun is yourself?

Sein
09-12-2014, 02:17 AM
Interesting. They should be representative of most Pamiris imo considering how isolated the Pamirs are. The oracle suggests their autosomal DNA results represent Pashtun with a slight Uralic pull. At least the top 3. Who are the Pashtun and Afghan Pashtuns though? Are the Tadjiks the Yunusaybev samples from Tajikistan? Finally, I presume Pakistani Pashtun is yourself?

I wonder how these people stack up in terms of Y-DNA? We already knew that Pashto and the Pamiri languages together constitute a tightly knit linguistic clade (or at the very least are members of an areal Sprachbund) among the East Iranian languages. Now, it seems Pashtuns and Pamiri people are very similar in terms of autosomal DNA. So, the final point of interest would be their Y-DNA. I wonder, are they rich in R1a (Z2124), like Pashtuns?

Also, assuming most ancient Central Asians (especially southern Central Asians in what is now Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, and parts of Uzbekistan) resembled Pamiri speakers, this would mean that Pashtuns are fairly good proxies for ancient Central Asians. Also, it would mean that there is a deep, intense genetic link between Central Asia and South Asia. In a sense, we are really dealing with a single autosomally-defined region (defined by ANE, "ENF", and ASI), but the Turko-Mongolic expansions partially erased the ancient pattern of genetic affinity. I say only "partially", because even ethnic Tajiks from Tajikistan have much higher "Baloch" and "South Indian" percentages for HarappaWorld in comparison to Iranians ("Baloch" being ENF+ANE, "South Indian" being ANE+ASI+ENF).

The Tadjiks are definitely the Yunusbayev samples. I have no clue about the Pashtuns though.

ViktorL1
09-12-2014, 02:56 AM
I wonder how these people stack up in terms of Y-DNA? We already knew that Pashto and the Pamiri languages together constitute a tightly knit linguistic clade (or at the very least are members of an areal Sprachbund) among the East Iranian languages. Now, it seems Pashtuns and Pamiri people are very similar in terms of autosomal DNA. So, the final point of interest would be their Y-DNA. I wonder, are they rich in R1a (Z2124), like Pashtuns?

Also, assuming most ancient Central Asians (especially southern Central Asians in what is now Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, and parts of Uzbekistan) resembled Pamiri speakers, this would mean that Pashtuns are fairly good proxies for ancient Central Asians. Also, it would mean that there is a deep, intense genetic link between Central Asia and South Asia. In a sense, we are really dealing with a single autosomally-defined region (defined by ANE, "ENF", and ASI), but the Turko-Mongolic expansions partially erased the ancient pattern of genetic affinity. I say only "partially", because even ethnic Tajiks from Tajikistan have much higher "Baloch" and "South Indian" percentages for HarappaWorld in comparison to Iranians ("Baloch" being ENF+ANE, "South Indian" being ANE+ASI+ENF).

The Tadjiks are definitely the Yunusbayev samples. I have no clue about the Pashtuns though.

Good points Sein. I would add that parts of Uzbekistan and Tajikistan have a much stronger "eastward" pull, compared to anywhere else in South Asia (perhaps with the exception of the Hazara). I want to see more autosomal data on Tajikistan and Uzbekistan, and on the "Sughd" region of Tajikistan in particular. I have very elevated East Eurasian affinities compared to most Tajiks. I don't think this is an individual anomaly, and based on phenotype, I would assume that "Khujandi" Tajiks are a seperate cluster from southern Tajiks. The Zarafshan mountains in Tajikistan and Uzbekistan probably seperate the more "East Eurasian" inhabitants of the Ferghana region from the "lowland" Tajiks.

Dr_McNinja
09-12-2014, 03:47 AM
How representative do you think they are of Lahoris? They are quite different to the 1-2 Lahoris on HAP and most of the Punjabis on HAP whether the Arains from Xing or individual participants. I'm very curious about their biraderi or tribe. I suspect they are of chura origin or Muhajirs unless some Punjabi biraderis are somehow closer to South Indians than other Punjabis.

Also, do you mind running my oracle? Also, are Jatt Muslim and Pakistani Pashtun you and Sein?There are nearly (over by some estimates) 100 million people in Pakistani Punjab (contrasted with 27 million in Indian Punjab according to Wikipedia), lots of them are just Punjabi by their ancestors having converted to Islam (many low caste Indians probably converted to Islam in an attempt to circumvent the caste system) and migrated there from India generations ago (and then there was the mess with partition). Within 1-2 generations people generally completely adopt the language/culture and mix into new local "clans"/biraderis, usually of a similar social class to their original caste background so the poor tend to stay poor for generations with the occasional exceptions. Partition probably helped with people severing ties to their old tribal networks on the Indian side of the border so the networks on the Pakistani side probably underwent a lot of change and absorbed a lot of new people. It's no secret though that many of the millions of poor people in cities like Lahore are of low caste or even tribal-type backgrounds from India (as another user here mentioned, I think bol nat, also Pakistani Punjabi). You spend 10 minutes in Lahore and you will see tons of people who look like they're South Indian.

Dr_McNinja
09-12-2014, 03:49 AM
[3,] "5.3% 1_Malta-1 + 94.7% Pashtun" "4.8962"
[4,] "5.3% 1_AG-2 + 94.7% Pashtun" "4.897" Surprising that these are the #3 and #4 fits! They must be really old/isolated. No wonder Genographic Project used them too or they keep showing up in other people's Oracle results here.

ZephyrousMandaru
09-12-2014, 03:51 AM
Vadim, something odd happened when I removed the Jew_Tat and Georgian_Jews references.

Before the removal.



[,1] [,2]
[1,] "Georgian_Jew" "3.6766"
[2,] "Jew_Tat" "5.3014"
[3,] "Iraqi_Jew" "5.898"
[4,] "Iranian_Jew" "6.1151"
[5,] "Kurd_Jew" "6.4896"
[6,] "Uzbekistani_Jews" "6.6407"
[7,] "Turkish_Adana" "6.741"
[8,] "Turkish_Kayseri" "7.835"
[9,] "Turks" "8.2465"
[10,] "Assyrian_WGA" "8.7938"
[11,] "Lebanese_Muslim" "8.9221"
[12,] "Turk" "9.0932"
[13,] "Lebanese_Druze" "9.24"
[14,] "Armenian" "9.4974"
[15,] "Armenian_WGA" "10.0887"
[16,] "Uzbekistan_Jew" "10.1327"
[17,] "Lebanese" "10.4051"
[18,] "Syrian_Jew" "11.2119"
[19,] "Uzbek_WGA" "11.7288"
[20,] "Azeri" "11.9036"


After.




[,1] [,2]
[1,] "Assyrian_WGA" "8.7938"
[2,] "Armenian" "9.4974"
[3,] "Armenian_WGA" "10.0887"
[4,] "Azeri" "11.9036"
[5,] "Azov_Greek" "12.5282"
[6,] "Druze" "12.8188"
[7,] "Cypriot" "12.8236"
[8,] "Baku_WGA" "14.0841"
[9,] "Cretan" "15.1724"
[10,] "Christian-Arabs-Israel" "15.9889"
[11,] "Greek_Coriell" "16.58"
[12,] "Crimean_Tatar" "16.9317"
[13,] "Greek-Islands" "17.186"
[14,] "Cirkassian" "18.3699"
[15,] "Greek_WGA" "19.0033"
[16,] "Azeri_Dagestan" "19.193"
[17,] "Ain_Touta_WGA" "19.6783"
[18,] "Gagauz" "19.8054"
[19,] "Ashkenazi_Jew" "20.1644"
[20,] "French_Jew" "20.3107"


When I exclude the Jew_Tat and Georgian_Jew references, the Iranian, Kurdish and Iraqi Jews also disappear. My top populations also change radically.

Dr_McNinja
09-12-2014, 03:59 AM
How representative do you think they are of Lahoris? They are quite different to the 1-2 Lahoris on HAP and most of the Punjabis on HAP whether the Arains from Xing or individual participants. I'm very curious about their biraderi or tribe. I suspect they are of chura origin or Muhajirs unless some Punjabi biraderis are somehow closer to South Indians than other Punjabis.

Also, do you mind running my oracle? Also, are Jatt Muslim and Pakistani Pashtun you and Sein?Here's your Oracle:

[1,] "Jatt-Pahari" "3.612"
[2,] "Punjabi-Gujjar" "5.0612"
[3,] "GujaratiA_GIH" "6.8959"
[4,] "Pakistani" "7.0567"
[5,] "Pathan" "7.2736"
[6,] "Jatt-Haryana" "7.4783"
[7,] "Jatt-Muslim" "7.668"
[8,] "Sindhi" "8.7579"
[9,] "Burusho" "9.2837"
[10,] "Pakistani_Pushtun" "10.8052"
[11,] "Tiwari" "13.8695"
[12,] "GujaratiB_GIH" "14.6139"
[13,] "Brahmin-Tamil" "15.7462"
[14,] "Mumbai_Jews" "17.0099"
[15,] "Cochin_Jew" "17.8082"
[16,] "Kshatriya" "18.0042"
[17,] "Vaish" "18.9372"
[18,] "Pashtun" "19.1281"
[19,] "Afghan_Pushtun" "19.7378"
[20,] "Brahmins_Tamil" "20.7097"


[1,] "28.4% Kshatriya + 71.6% Pathan" "1.5673"
[2,] "66% Pathan + 34% Tiwari" "1.6051"
[3,] "25.3% Brahmins_UP + 74.7% Pathan" "1.7277"
[4,] "77.9% Pakistani + 22.1% Tajik_Pomiri" "1.7316"
[5,] "19.8% Dharkars + 80.2% Pathan" "1.7831"
[6,] "32.7% GujaratiB_GIH + 67.3% Pathan" "1.8007"
[7,] "72.8% Pathan + 27.2% Vaish" "1.8229"
[8,] "80.5% Pathan + 19.5% Srivastava" "1.8421"
[9,] "18.6% Kanjars + 81.4% Pathan" "1.8584"
[10,] "31% Brahmin-Tamil + 69% Pathan" "1.8811"
[11,] "25.2% Afghan_Pushtun + 74.8% GujaratiA_GIH" "1.8992"
[12,] "79.5% Pathan + 20.5% Tharus" "1.9167"
[13,] "78.9% Pathan + 21.1% Punjabi_Lahore_PJL" "1.9259"
[14,] "74.2% GujaratiA_GIH + 25.8% Pashtun" "1.937"
[15,] "23.2% GujaratiC_GIH + 76.8% Pathan" "1.9409"
[16,] "85% Pathan + 15% Scheduled_Caste_UP" "1.9571"
[17,] "14.9% Dusadh + 85.1% Pathan" "1.9613"
[18,] "15.7% Lodhi + 84.3% Pathan" "1.9807"
[19,] "24.3% Meghawal + 75.7% Pathan" "1.9855"
[20,] "75% Pathan + 25% TN_Brahmin" "1.9941"


And yeah I think my family is Jatt Muslim since I get like 95+% that with a little South Indian which sounds like my mom or grandmother.

Dr_McNinja
09-12-2014, 04:03 AM
I wonder how these people stack up in terms of Y-DNA? We already knew that Pashto and the Pamiri languages together constitute a tightly knit linguistic clade (or at the very least are members of an areal Sprachbund) among the East Iranian languages. Now, it seems Pashtuns and Pamiri people are very similar in terms of autosomal DNA. So, the final point of interest would be their Y-DNA. I wonder, are they rich in R1a (Z2124), like Pashtuns?

Also, assuming most ancient Central Asians (especially southern Central Asians in what is now Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, and parts of Uzbekistan) resembled Pamiri speakers, this would mean that Pashtuns are fairly good proxies for ancient Central Asians. Also, it would mean that there is a deep, intense genetic link between Central Asia and South Asia. In a sense, we are really dealing with a single autosomally-defined region (defined by ANE, "ENF", and ASI), but the Turko-Mongolic expansions partially erased the ancient pattern of genetic affinity. I say only "partially", because even ethnic Tajiks from Tajikistan have much higher "Baloch" and "South Indian" percentages for HarappaWorld in comparison to Iranians ("Baloch" being ENF+ANE, "South Indian" being ANE+ASI+ENF).

The Tadjiks are definitely the Yunusbayev samples. I have no clue about the Pashtuns though.Yeah, using Pashtun for Central Asia was the best thing FTDNA did on myOrigins. I'd love to see a calculator like that because I'm curious what other Punjabis' results would be. My mom hit 51% Central Asia on it, above some Pashtun.

Dr_McNinja
09-12-2014, 04:06 AM
Results for Rukha (23andMe V4, 79.77% genotyping rate):

2.43% Amerindian
8.45% Ancestral-North-Eura
34.27% Ancestral-North-Indi
0.29% Arctic
16.78% Ancestral-South-Indi
0.60% Austroloid
0.43% Austronesian
20.74% Caucasian
0.00% Archaic-Human
0.04% East-African
0.26% East-Siberian
0.96% European_Early_Farme
0.03% Khoisan
0.03% Melano-Polinesian
0.03% Archaic-African
2.01% Near-East
0.74% North-African
0.17% Paleo-Siberian
0.07% African-Pygmy
0.78% South-East-Asian
0.19% Subsaharian
0.98% Altaiс
9.71% European_Hunters_Gat

Oracle:

[1,] "Afghan_Pushtun" "5.048"
[2,] "Pashtun" "5.8553"
[3,] "Tajik_Pomiri" "8.0498"
[4,] "Pakistani_Pushtun" "10.1022"
[5,] "Tadjik" "12.2702"
[6,] "Pathan" "13.8047"
[7,] "Parsi" "13.9396"
[8,] "Burusho" "16.4052"
[9,] "Jatt-Haryana" "19.1294"
[10,] "Jatt-Pahari" "19.2143"
[11,] "Punjabi-Gujjar" "20.9857"
[12,] "Iranian" "22.9917"
[13,] "Sindhi" "23.0606"
[14,] "Mumbai_Jews" "23.9324"
[15,] "Jatt-Muslim" "24.7448"
[16,] "Pakistani" "25.5678"
[17,] "GujaratiA_GIH" "25.6513"
[18,] "Cochin_Jew" "25.7599"
[19,] "Makrani" "26.0926"
[20,] "Uzbek" "26.4162"

[1,] "63.4% Burusho + 36.6% Tabassaran" "3.3103"
[2,] "32.7% Lak + 67.3% Pathan" "3.3909"
[3,] "68.2% Pathan + 31.8% Stalskoe" "3.4399"
[4,] "67.3% Pathan + 32.7% Urkarah" "3.4408"
[5,] "64.1% Burusho + 35.9% Lezgins" "3.531"
[6,] "43.3% Pakistani_Pushtun + 56.7% Tajik_Pomiri" "3.5459"
[7,] "36% Avar + 64% Burusho" "3.5769"
[8,] "65.1% Burusho + 34.9% Lezgin" "3.5887"
[9,] "35.5% Azeri_Dagestan + 64.5% Burusho" "3.6119"
[10,] "87.9% Pashtun + 12.1% Roma_Macedonian" "3.6146"
[11,] "88.3% Pashtun + 11.7% Roma" "3.6339"
[12,] "3.3% 1_Malta-1 + 96.7% Afghan_Pushtun" "3.6524"
[13,] "3.3% 1_AG-2 + 96.7% Afghan_Pushtun" "3.6533"
[14,] "63.3% Burusho + 36.7% Lak" "3.6653"
[15,] "23.2% Mumbai_Jews + 76.8% Tajik_Pomiri" "3.674"
[16,] "31.9% Avar + 68.1% Pathan" "3.796"
[17,] "30.8% Lezgin + 69.2% Pathan" "3.8004"
[18,] "88.4% Pashtun + 11.6% Roma_Bulgarian" "3.8151"
[19,] "89.2% Pashtun + 10.8% Roma_BH" "3.8167"
[20,] "68.1% Burusho + 31.9% Chechen" "3.8717"

Dr_McNinja
09-12-2014, 04:15 AM
Seeing these trace SE-Asian signatures in people who are supposed to have low ASI makes me wonder if it's related to ANE in a way. Was LaBrana1's 5% SE-Asian legit or could it have been somehow from ANE?

Dr_McNinja
09-12-2014, 04:21 AM
When I saw 3.3% ANE + Afghan Pashtun for Rukha I figured I should try HRP0370 since that looked like the difference between their results:

[1,] "Afghan_Pushtun" "0"
[2,] "Pashtun" "5.0441"
[3,] "Tajik_Pomiri" "9.2613"
[4,] "Pakistani_Pushtun" "11.2673"
[5,] "Parsi" "12.0786"
[6,] "Tadjik" "12.6188"
[7,] "Pathan" "13.8867"
[8,] "Burusho" "17.5384"
[9,] "Jatt-Pahari" "19.7223"
[10,] "Jatt-Haryana" "20.6652"
[11,] "Punjabi-Gujjar" "21.0746"
[12,] "Iranian" "21.3065"
[13,] "Sindhi" "22.5347"
[14,] "Makrani" "23.6138"
[15,] "Mumbai_Jews" "24.0006"
[16,] "Jatt-Muslim" "25.37"
[17,] "Cochin_Jew" "25.9038"
[18,] "Balochi" "25.911"
[19,] "Pakistani" "26.0192"
[20,] "GujaratiA_GIH" "26.2754"

[1,] "Afghan_Pushtun" "0"
[2,] "89.8% Pashtun + 10.2% Roma_BH" "2.8467"
[3,] "89.2% Pashtun + 10.8% Roma_Bulgarian" "2.8873"
[4,] "89.1% Pashtun + 10.9% Roma_Slovenian" "2.946"
[5,] "89.6% Pashtun + 10.4% Roma" "2.9637"
[6,] "89.3% Pashtun + 10.7% Roma_Macedonian" "2.9937"
[7,] "7.6% Italian_South + 92.4% Pashtun" "3.2848"
[8,] "92.4% Pashtun + 7.6% Tunisian_Jew" "3.291"
[9,] "91.1% Pashtun + 8.9% Romanians" "3.294"
[10,] "7.9% French_Jew + 92.1% Pashtun" "3.3151"
[11,] "24.6% Parsi + 75.4% Pashtun" "3.3234"
[12,] "7.6% Libyan_Jew + 92.4% Pashtun" "3.3289"
[13,] "7.7% Italian_Jew + 92.3% Pashtun" "3.3296"
[14,] "7.1% Christian-Arabs-Israel + 92.9% Pashtun" "3.335"
[15,] "7.8% Moroccan_Jew + 92.2% Pashtun" "3.3484"
[16,] "92.3% Pashtun + 7.7% Romanian_Jews" "3.3582"
[17,] "7.5% Greek-Islands + 92.5% Pashtun" "3.3607"
[18,] "7.7% Cretan + 92.3% Pashtun" "3.361"
[19,] "7.7% Greek_WGA + 92.3% Pashtun" "3.3665"
[20,] "92.1% Pashtun + 7.9% Sephardic_Jews" "3.3718"

Dr_McNinja
09-12-2014, 04:28 AM
Viktor's results (Tajik):

1.05% Amerindian
6.38% Ancestral-North-Eura
18.02% Ancestral-North-Indi
1.55% Arctic
6.97% Ancestral-South-Indi
0.02% Austroloid
0.81% Austronesian
16.89% Caucasian
0.40% Archaic-Human
0.02% East-African
6.65% East-Siberian
1.25% European_Early_Farme
0.05% Khoisan
0.03% Melano-Polinesian
0.10% Archaic-African
0.90% Near-East
0.64% North-African
1.43% Paleo-Siberian
0.01% African-Pygmy
8.43% South-East-Asian
0.04% Subsaharian
17.38% Altaiс
11.01% European_Hunters_Gat

[1,] "Uzbek" "2.8811"
[2,] "Turkmen" "7.6541"
[3,] "Uyghur" "9.2616"
[4,] "Hazara" "10.4815"
[5,] "Uygur" "10.8684"
[6,] "Karakalpak" "13.1605"
[7,] "Tatar_Lithuanian" "16.4473"
[8,] "Tadjik" "17.3859"
[9,] "Nogai" "21.4015"
[10,] "Tatar" "21.481"
[11,] "Bashkir" "21.6461"
[12,] "Kazakhs" "21.8158"
[13,] "Mishar" "21.8569"
[14,] "Kryashen" "24.4198"
[15,] "Kyrgyz" "24.5813"
[16,] "Tajik_Pomiri" "25.4609"
[17,] "Karelian" "25.6864"
[18,] "Chuvash" "25.8274"
[19,] "North-Russian" "26.307"
[20,] "Vepsa" "26.6279"

[1,] "3% Kusunda + 97% Uzbek" "2.4243"
[2,] "3.8% QH_Mongolian + 96.2% Uzbek" "2.4264"
[3,] "2.4% Madou_Tibetian + 97.6% Uzbek" "2.4756"
[4,] "2.3% TTR_Tibetian + 97.7% Uzbek" "2.4863"
[5,] "3.3% Mongola + 96.7% Uzbek" "2.4869"
[6,] "96.9% Uzbek + 3.1% Xibo" "2.4908"
[7,] "11.8% Uygur + 88.2% Uzbek" "2.5064"
[8,] "13.7% Uyghur + 86.3% Uzbek" "2.5102"
[9,] "2.9% Hezhen + 97.1% Uzbek" "2.5169"
[10,] "2.7% Tu + 97.3% Uzbek" "2.519"
[11,] "2.9% Daur + 97.1% Uzbek" "2.5209"
[12,] "2% Naga + 98% Uzbek" "2.521"
[13,] "2% Nysha + 98% Uzbek" "2.5232"
[14,] "3.2% Mongol_Halha + 96.8% Uzbek" "2.5439"
[15,] "1.9% Aonaga + 98.1% Uzbek" "2.5456"
[16,] "11.6% Hazara + 88.4% Uzbek" "2.5528"
[17,] "3.2% Buryat + 96.8% Uzbek" "2.5551"
[18,] "2.5% Korean + 97.5% Uzbek" "2.5563"
[19,] "5.1% Kyrgyz + 94.9% Uzbek" "2.5617"
[20,] "2% Naxi + 98% Uzbek" "2.5748"

ViktorL1
09-12-2014, 04:47 AM
What exactly is Altaiс? What does this represent?

Dr_McNinja
09-12-2014, 04:52 AM
What exactly is Altaiс? What does this represent?Altaic, probably Tungusic peoples.

Shaikorth
09-12-2014, 06:08 AM
These are the oracle distances of a 100% Altaian manikin, should give an idea about the distribution.

[1,] "Ulchi" "43.5248"
[2,] "Daur" "55.9213"
[3,] "Hezhen" "56.278"
[4,] "Mongol_Halha" "57.7923"
[5,] "Mongolians" "58.1184"
[6,] "Buryats" "58.7042"
[7,] "Kalmyk" "58.8939"
[8,] "Buryat" "60.035"
[9,] "Oroqen" "61.8323"
[10,] "Japanese" "63.1655"
[11,] "Kyrgyzians" "64.1889"
[12,] "QH_Mongolian" "65.2757"
[13,] "Xibo" "66.0421"
[14,] "Altaian" "66.7673"
[15,] "Mongola" "67.0669"
[16,] "Tuvinian" "67.9189"
[17,] "Kyrgyz" "68.1525"
[18,] "Kazakhs" "70.61"
[19,] "Yakut_Metspalu" "73.2688"
[20,] "Korean" "73.4181"
[21,] "Hakas" "74.1719"
[22,] "Tubalar" "74.5547"
[23,] "Yakut" "77.946"
[24,] "Karakalpak" "77.9734"
[25,] "Hazara" "79.761"
[26,] "Uyghur" "82.7268"
[27,] "Uygur" "82.8322"
[28,] "Even" "84.4699"
[29,] "Dolgan" "85.6142"
[30,] "Tu" "86.3807"
[31,] "Evenkis" "87.172"
[32,] "Uzbek" "88.3761"
[33,] "Han_NChina" "88.6982"
[34,] "Turkmen" "89.0192"

evon
09-12-2014, 09:04 AM
I removed the Kurd_WGA and my grandmothers Oracle makes much more sense:


[1,] "14.5% 1_Ajvide59 + 85.5% English" "1.4505"
[2,] "69.4% English + 30.6% Finn-West" "1.5845"
[3,] "28.9% Czech + 71.1% Icelandic" "1.6174"
[4,] "34% German + 66% Icelandic" "1.7552"
[5,] "80% English + 20% Finn" "1.7689"
[6,] "73.2% CEU + 26.8% Estonian" "1.7906"
[7,] "31.8% Hungarian_Coriell + 68.2% Icelandic" "1.7961"
[8,] "79% English + 21% Finnish_FIN" "1.8456"
[9,] "29.5% Hungarian_Metspalu + 70.5% Icelandic" "1.8638"
[10,] "10.4% 1_Loschbour + 89.6% Dutch" "1.9219"
[11,] "16% 1_Ajvide59 + 84% Belgian" "1.9257"
[12,] "79.3% English + 20.7% Finn-East" "1.9356"
[13,] "58.8% CEU + 41.2% Finn-West" "1.9448"
[14,] "44.3% British + 55.7% German" "1.9485"
[15,] "22.9% Croat_BH + 77.1% Icelandic" "1.9951"
[16,] "23.7% Bosnian + 76.3% Icelandic" "2.0194"
[17,] "19.9% Don_cossack + 80.1% Icelandic" "2.0285"
[18,] "18.9% Belarusian + 81.1% Icelandic" "2.0553"
[19,] "81.9% English + 18.1% Estonian" "2.0573"
[20,] "71.2% English_Cornwall_GBR + 28.8% Estonian" "2.0611"
[21,] "9.2% 1_LaBrana + 90.8% Dutch" "2.0765"
[22,] "38.6% Austrian + 61.4% Icelandic" "2.1032"
[23,] "13.9% 1_StoraForvar11 + 86.1% English" "2.1402"
[24,] "56.2% English_Cornwall_GBR + 43.8% Finn-West" "2.1695"
[25,] "23.8% Croatian + 76.2% Icelandic" "2.1777"
[26,] "8% 1_Skoglund_HG + 92% Dutch" "2.1953"
[27,] "7.9% 1_Ajvide52 + 92.1% Dutch" "2.2082"
[28,] "8.1% 1_Ire8 + 91.9% Dutch" "2.2149"
[29,] "57.1% English_Kent_GBR + 42.9% Finn-West" "2.2201"
[30,] "8.1% 1_Motala_merge + 91.9% Dutch" "2.2253"


The Balkan affinity is real, so this is much better..

aarnisotka
09-12-2014, 09:41 AM
Oracle results for European hunter-gatherers:

Loschbour and La Brana-1

Loschbour

[,1] [,2]
[1,] "1_Loschbour" "0"
[2,] "1_LaBrana" "4.4628"
[3,] "1_Motala12" "8.1537"
[4,] "1_Motala_merge" "8.1542"
[5,] "1_Ire8" "8.9605"
[6,] "1_Ajvide70" "10.6484"
[7,] "1_Ajvide53" "11.4786"
[8,] "1_Ajvide52" "11.8582"
[9,] "1_Skoglund_HG" "11.9667"
[10,] "1_Ajvide59" "16.915"
[11,] "1_StoraForvar11" "18.7729"
[12,] "Finn" "20.5992"
[13,] "Karelian" "21.2725"
[14,] "Finnish_FIN" "21.4464"
[15,] "Finn-East" "21.5908"

LaBrana

[,1] [,2]
[1,] "1_LaBrana" "0"
[2,] "1_Loschbour" "4.4628"
[3,] "1_Motala12" "4.6728"
[4,] "1_Motala_merge" "4.6772"
[5,] "1_Ire8" "5.8175"
[6,] "1_Ajvide70" "7.923"
[7,] "1_Ajvide53" "9.228"
[8,] "1_Ajvide52" "9.6897"
[9,] "1_Skoglund_HG" "9.9139"
[10,] "1_Ajvide59" "15.5308"
[11,] "1_StoraForvar11" "17.456"
[12,] "Karelian" "20.8505"
[13,] "Finn" "20.8679"
[14,] "Finnish_FIN" "21.9027"
[15,] "Finn-East" "22.0782"



Scandinavian hunter-gatherers:


Motala12

[,1] [,2]
[1,] "1_Motala12" "0"
[2,] "1_Motala_merge" "0.1217"
[3,] "1_Ire8" "3.7562"
[4,] "1_LaBrana" "4.6728"
[5,] "1_Ajvide70" "6.8565"
[6,] "1_Ajvide53" "8.103"
[7,] "1_Loschbour" "8.1537"
[8,] "1_Ajvide52" "8.6531"
[9,] "1_Skoglund_HG" "8.7553"
[10,] "1_Ajvide59" "14.8452"
[11,] "1_StoraForvar11" "16.8991"
[12,] "Karelian" "21.0296"
[13,] "Finn" "21.7258"
[14,] "Vepsa" "22.178"
[15,] "Finnish_FIN" "22.9362"

Motala_merge

[,1] [,2]
[1,] "1_Motala_merge" "0"
[2,] "1_Motala12" "0.1217"
[3,] "1_Ire8" "3.7568"
[4,] "1_LaBrana" "4.6772"
[5,] "1_Ajvide70" "6.8075"
[6,] "1_Ajvide53" "8.1076"
[7,] "1_Loschbour" "8.1542"
[8,] "1_Ajvide52" "8.6005"
[9,] "1_Skoglund_HG" "8.7189"
[10,] "1_Ajvide59" "14.8451"
[11,] "1_StoraForvar11" "16.8485"
[12,] "Karelian" "21.048"
[13,] "Finn" "21.7463"
[14,] "Vepsa" "22.1937"
[15,] "Finnish_FIN" "22.954"

Ire8

[,1] [,2]
[1,] "1_Ire8" "0"
[2,] "1_Motala12" "3.7562"
[3,] "1_Motala_merge" "3.7568"
[4,] "1_LaBrana" "5.8175"
[5,] "1_Ajvide70" "6.3795"
[6,] "1_Ajvide53" "6.8509"
[7,] "1_Ajvide52" "7.9484"
[8,] "1_Loschbour" "8.9605"
[9,] "1_Skoglund_HG" "9.5378"
[10,] "1_Ajvide59" "15.2808"
[11,] "1_StoraForvar11" "16.7255"
[12,] "Karelian" "21.2915"
[13,] "Finn" "21.9948"
[14,] "Vepsa" "22.423"
[15,] "Finnish_FIN" "23.2053"

Skoglund_HG

[,1] [,2]
[1,] "1_Skoglund_HG" "0"
[2,] "1_Motala_merge" "8.7189"
[3,] "1_Motala12" "8.7553"
[4,] "1_Ajvide70" "9.1418"
[5,] "1_Ire8" "9.5378"
[6,] "1_LaBrana" "9.9139"
[7,] "1_Ajvide52" "10.327"
[8,] "1_Ajvide53" "11.9458"
[9,] "1_Loschbour" "11.9667"
[10,] "1_Ajvide59" "17.0414"
[11,] "1_StoraForvar11" "17.0496"
[12,] "Karelian" "22.3437"
[13,] "Finn" "22.958"
[14,] "Vepsa" "23.4031"
[15,] "Finnish_FIN" "24.0738"


StoraForvar11

[,1] [,2]
[1,] "1_StoraForvar11" "0"
[2,] "Karelian" "14.9744"
[3,] "1_Ajvide59" "14.9756"
[4,] "1_Ajvide70" "14.982"
[5,] "Vepsa" "15.4558"
[6,] "Estonian" "15.6884"
[7,] "1_Ajvide52" "15.7102"
[8,] "Latvian" "16.0012"
[9,] "Finn" "16.2754"
[10,] "North-Russian" "16.3936"
[11,] "1_Ire8" "16.7255"
[12,] "1_Motala_merge" "16.8485"
[13,] "1_Motala12" "16.8991"
[14,] "Finnish_FIN" "17.0233"
[15,] "1_Skoglund_HG" "17.0496"

Ajvide52

[,1] [,2]
[1,] "1_Ajvide52" "0"
[2,] "1_Ajvide53" "7.2487"
[3,] "1_Ire8" "7.9484"
[4,] "1_Ajvide70" "8.0519"
[5,] "1_Motala_merge" "8.6005"
[6,] "1_Motala12" "8.6531"
[7,] "1_LaBrana" "9.6897"
[8,] "1_Skoglund_HG" "10.327"
[9,] "1_Loschbour" "11.8582"
[10,] "1_StoraForvar11" "15.7102"
[11,] "1_Ajvide59" "17.1252"
[12,] "Karelian" "22.4202"
[13,] "Finn" "23.2241"
[14,] "Vepsa" "23.5327"
[15,] "Finn-East" "24.2582"

Ajvide53

[,1] [,2]
[1,] "1_Ajvide53" "0"
[2,] "1_Ire8" "6.8509"
[3,] "1_Ajvide52" "7.2487"
[4,] "1_Motala12" "8.103"
[5,] "1_Motala_merge" "8.1076"
[6,] "1_LaBrana" "9.228"
[7,] "1_Ajvide70" "9.7026"
[8,] "1_Loschbour" "11.4786"
[9,] "1_Skoglund_HG" "11.9458"
[10,] "1_Ajvide59" "16.8856"
[11,] "1_StoraForvar11" "18.1891"
[12,] "Karelian" "22.3953"
[13,] "Finn" "23.0768"
[14,] "Vepsa" "23.5105"
[15,] "Finnish_FIN" "24.2226"

Ajvide70

[,1] [,2]
[1,] "1_Ajvide70" "0"
[2,] "1_Ire8" "6.3795"
[3,] "1_Motala_merge" "6.8075"
[4,] "1_Motala12" "6.8565"
[5,] "1_LaBrana" "7.923"
[6,] "1_Ajvide52" "8.0519"
[7,] "1_Skoglund_HG" "9.1418"
[8,] "1_Ajvide53" "9.7026"
[9,] "1_Loschbour" "10.6484"
[10,] "1_StoraForvar11" "14.982"
[11,] "1_Ajvide59" "16.312"
[12,] "Karelian" "21.8905"
[13,] "Finn" "22.5793"
[14,] "Vepsa" "22.9644"
[15,] "Finnish_FIN" "23.7761"

Ajvide59

[,1] [,2]
[1,] "1_Ajvide59" "0"
[2,] "1_Motala_merge" "14.8451"
[3,] "1_Motala12" "14.8452"
[4,] "1_StoraForvar11" "14.9756"
[5,] "1_Ire8" "15.2808"
[6,] "1_LaBrana" "15.5308"
[7,] "Karelian" "15.7041"
[8,] "Vepsa" "16.2123"
[9,] "1_Ajvide70" "16.312"
[10,] "Finn" "16.822"
[11,] "1_Ajvide53" "16.8856"
[12,] "1_Loschbour" "16.915"
[13,] "1_Skoglund_HG" "17.0414"
[14,] "Estonian" "17.0688"
[15,] "1_Ajvide52" "17.1252"



Karelian has high similarity especially to SF11. SF11 looks to be rather eastern HG specimen. In relation to Karelians Finns look to have higher similarity to Loschbour.

Hanna
09-12-2014, 10:12 AM
MDLP K=27

Me---vs---My aunt
45.80%---47.44% Caucasian
17.88%---21.56% Ancestral-North-Indi
11.00%---9.20% European_Early_Farme
9.35%---10.42% Near-East
3.32%---2.35% European_Hunters_Gat
2.56%---1.90% Ancestral-North-Eura
1.80%---0.60% East-Siberian
1.75%---0.28% Altai
1.48%---3.03% North-African
0.85%---0.82% Ancestral-South-Indi
0.68%---0.26% South-East-Asian
0.62%---0.20% Arctic
0.52%---0.45% Amerindian
0.48%---0.95% Melano-Polinesian
0.43%---0.15% Austronesian
0.37%---0.10% Paleo-Siberian
0.33%---0.06% Austroloid
0.26%---0.07% East-African
0.14%---0.01% Subsaharian
0.13%---0.09% African-Pygmy
0.12%---0.02% Khoisan
0.10%---0.01% Archaic-African
0.03%---0.00% Archaic-Human


My oracle:


[1,] "Turk" "3.6263"
[2,] "Turkish_Kayseri" "3.7892"
[3,] "Turks" "4.0232"
[4,] "Turkish_Istanbul" "6.8992"
[5,] "Georgian_Jew" "7.5067"
[6,] "Turkish_Adana" "7.8286"
[7,] "Armenian" "8.1238"
[8,] "Azov_Greek" "8.5797"
[9,] "Armenian_WGA" "9.0939"
[10,] "Jew_Tat" "9.4984"


[1,] "14.5% Georgian + 85.5% Turkish_Kayseri" "1.9003"
[2,] "13.4% Georgian_Megrels + 86.6% Turkish_Kayseri" "1.9378"
[3,] "12.5% Georgian_Imereti + 87.5% Turkish_Kayseri" "1.9455"
[4,] "18% Kakheti + 82% Turkish_Kayseri" "2.0004"
[5,] "13.9% Abkhasian + 86.1% Turkish_Kayseri" "2.0042"
[6,] "13.8% Megrel + 86.2% Turkish_Kayseri" "2.0406"
[7,] "12.8% Svan + 87.2% Turkish_Kayseri" "2.0604"
[8,] "12% Georgian_WGA + 88% Turkish_Kayseri" "2.1393"
[9,] "13.5% Adjara + 86.5% Turkish_Kayseri" "2.1639"
[10,] "11.3% Laz + 88.7% Turkish_Kayseri" "2.2374"



My aunt's oracle:

[1,] "Armenian" "6.4541"
[2,] "Turk" "6.8734"
[3,] "Armenian_WGA" "6.9187"
[4,] "Georgian_Jew" "7.4374"
[5,] "Turks" "7.5002"
[6,] "Turkish_Kayseri" "7.7166"
[7,] "Uzbekistani_Jews" "7.9669"
[8,] "Assyrian_WGA" "8.1312"
[9,] "Jew_Tat" "8.1313"
[10,] "Uzbek_WGA" "8.879"

[1,] "21.9% 1_Gokhem5 + 78.1% Kurds" "2.3091"
[2,] "59.9% Kurds + 40.1% Turkish_Trabzon" "2.6596"
[3,] "92.1% Armenian + 7.9% Kalash" "2.9045"
[4,] "91.4% Armenian + 8.6% Brahui" "3.1581"
[5,] "90.4% Armenian + 9.6% Makrani" "3.2505"
[6,] "90.9% Armenian + 9.1% Balochi" "3.2515"
[7,] "65.7% Armenian + 34.3% Kurd" "3.2819"
[8,] "61% Armenian + 39% Azeri" "3.3011"
[9,] "57.9% Kurd + 42.1% Turkish_Trabzon" "3.3291"
[10,] "86.9% Armenian + 13.1% Tajik_Pomiri" "3.339"

Hanna
09-12-2014, 06:31 PM
Vadim Verenich,

Is there a population average spreadsheet for k23?

Vadim Verenich
09-12-2014, 06:55 PM
Vadim Verenich,

Is there a population average spreadsheet for k23?

Yes, it is actually included within Oracle

Hanna
09-12-2014, 07:14 PM
Yes, it is actually included within Oracle

I can't seem to find it.

Vadim Verenich
09-12-2014, 07:17 PM
Type write.table(X, "average.txt") in R console

Vadim Verenich
09-13-2014, 12:48 AM
All populations which start with "1_" prefix are ancient genomes; Skoglund_farmer and Gokhem7 represent Swedish Neolithic farmers, in particular.

Vadim Verenich
09-13-2014, 03:00 AM
...............

everest59
09-13-2014, 03:55 AM
Edit..............

Sapporo
09-13-2014, 03:57 AM
Edit...............

everest59
09-13-2014, 03:59 AM
Edit.
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Sapporo
09-13-2014, 04:08 AM
Edit..............

Scarlet Ibis
09-14-2014, 08:11 PM
Admin/Moderator Note: MDLP K23b results posts were moved to this thread: http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?3159-Post-your-MDLP-K23b-calculator-Oracle-ancestry-here

ZephyrousMandaru
09-14-2014, 11:09 PM
Admin/Moderator Note: MDLP K23b results posts were moved to this thread: http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?3159-Post-your-MDLP-K23b-calculator-Oracle-ancestry-here

Oops, sorry Scarlet, would you mind moving my post below into the thread?

Scarlet Ibis
09-15-2014, 12:37 AM
Oops, sorry Scarlet, would you mind moving my post below into the thread?

Yeah, all the K23b discussion posts have been moved into Vadim's K23b thread to keep the flow of conversation going in 1 thread.

Barellalee
10-01-2014, 08:05 PM
You mean those are my results listed below? And for what my X or my entire genome

Barellalee
10-01-2014, 08:25 PM
Thanks! Just wondering are these my x results or entire genome results?

Orobicus
11-24-2014, 10:28 AM
lol

maybe some want a GPS indicator on a map for their marker.

I ask a question about your naming, what name is used to indicate eastern alps and southern Germany..........is it Austria?

i presume your Italian-piedmont means all north Italy, is that correct.

In fact: where are these samples from? Bergamo is Bergamo, Piedmont (Val Borbera?) and North_Italian (that seems more Northern than the other 2)?

kenji.aryan
12-25-2014, 12:08 PM
My K17 ( DIY)

[,1] [,2]
[1,] "Punjabi_Jatt_Muslim" "5.3577"
[2,] "Tiwari" "7.8272"
[3,] "Punjabi_Jatt_Sikh" "8.646"
[4,] "Pakistani" "9.868"
[5,] "Burusho" "11.2633"
[6,] "Brahmin_Karnataka" "13.8232"
[7,] "Pathan" "14.4204"
[8,] "Kshatriya" "15.3244"
[9,] "Vaish" "15.8772"
[10,] "Mumbai_Jew" "16.8928"


[,1] [,2]
[1,] "4.3% Ossetian + 95.7% Punjabi_Jatt_Muslim" "4.5427"
[2,] "75.1% Kalash + 24.9% Paniya" "4.5499"
[3,] "3.9% Abhkasian + 96.1% Punjabi_Jatt_Muslim" "4.5694"
[4,] "4.3% North-Ossetian + 95.7% Punjabi_Jatt_Muslim" "4.5801"
[5,] "3.8% Georgians + 96.2% Punjabi_Jatt_Muslim" "4.6003"
[6,] "3.7% Georgian_Imereti + 96.3% Punjabi_Jatt_Muslim" "4.6118"
[7,] "4.5% Chechen + 95.5% Punjabi_Jatt_Muslim" "4.6166"
[8,] "4.2% Adygei + 95.8% Punjabi_Jatt_Muslim" "4.6721"
[9,] "46.6% Muslim + 53.4% Tajik-panjshiri " "4.6987"
[10,] "4.2% Balkar + 95.8% Punjabi_Jatt_Muslim" "4.7016"

Kurd
12-25-2014, 02:48 PM
My K17 ( DIY)

[,1] [,2]
[1,] "Punjabi_Jatt_Muslim" "5.3577"
[2,] "Tiwari" "7.8272"
[3,] "Punjabi_Jatt_Sikh" "8.646"
[4,] "Pakistani" "9.868"
[5,] "Burusho" "11.2633"
[6,] "Brahmin_Karnataka" "13.8232"
[7,] "Pathan" "14.4204"
[8,] "Kshatriya" "15.3244"
[9,] "Vaish" "15.8772"
[10,] "Mumbai_Jew" "16.8928"


[,1] [,2]
[1,] "4.3% Ossetian + 95.7% Punjabi_Jatt_Muslim" "4.5427"
[2,] "75.1% Kalash + 24.9% Paniya" "4.5499"
[3,] "3.9% Abhkasian + 96.1% Punjabi_Jatt_Muslim" "4.5694"
[4,] "4.3% North-Ossetian + 95.7% Punjabi_Jatt_Muslim" "4.5801"
[5,] "3.8% Georgians + 96.2% Punjabi_Jatt_Muslim" "4.6003"
[6,] "3.7% Georgian_Imereti + 96.3% Punjabi_Jatt_Muslim" "4.6118"
[7,] "4.5% Chechen + 95.5% Punjabi_Jatt_Muslim" "4.6166"
[8,] "4.2% Adygei + 95.8% Punjabi_Jatt_Muslim" "4.6721"
[9,] "46.6% Muslim + 53.4% Tajik-panjshiri " "4.6987"
[10,] "4.2% Balkar + 95.8% Punjabi_Jatt_Muslim" "4.7016"

I will try to run my numbers today, but I suspect that mine will be way off since my data is AncestryDNA. Which version of Oracle did you use?

kenji.aryan
12-25-2014, 02:54 PM
I will try to run my numbers today, but I suspect that mine will be way off since my data is AncestryDNA. Which version of Oracle did you use?

i don't know bro which version of oracle was it, I think it was from K17 calculator that i have send you a link of.
If you have any new oracle then i can use it and see if my matches change on k17 .

Kurd
12-25-2014, 03:47 PM
I just ran the numbers, and they are off. I know this because I got a genotype rate of 0.88, with 14554 SNPs missing. I guess the DIY MDLP k17 is not compatible with the latest 23andme chip. Did you get the same genotype rate and missing SNPs?

My daughter's results, for what it is worth:

17 ancestral populations
130344 total SNPs
10 flipped SNPs
40051 heterozygous SNPs
254 no-calls
14300 absent SNPs
0.888342 genotype rate
mode genomewide

14554 SNPs missing (no-call or absent)

FINAL ADMIXTURE PROPORTIONS:
----------------------------

23.90% Caucasian-Basal
0.35% Melano-Austronesian
5.35% Uralic
0.02% Ancestral_East_Siber
0.40% Ancestral_West_Siber
26.22% Ancestral_North_Indi
16.62% Ancestral_South_Indi
1.42% West_European_HG
0.00% Ancestral_Sami-Finni
0.12% South_East_Asian
0.71% Archaic_African
11.51% Ancestral_Mediterran
1.28% Circumpolar
5.67% Near-East-Basal
3.17% Ancestral_East_Europ
0.86% African_Sub_Saharian
2.41% Amerindian

[1,] "Tajik-panjshiri " "12.254"
[2,] "Central_Asian" "12.2862"
[3,] "Pashtun" "14.8083"
[4,] "Tajik" "16.984"
[5,] "Iranian" "17.3389"
[6,] "Kurds_South" "18.2591"
[7,] "Kurds_East" "18.3366"
[8,] "Turkmens" "18.7119"
[9,] "Uzbek" "19.4051"
[10,] "Pathan" "20.4478"
[11,] "Kurds_North" "20.5406"
[12,] "Azeri" "21.0796"
[13,] "Burusho" "21.877"
[14,] "Punjabi_Jatt_Sikh" "22.2547"
[15,] "Kalash" "23.5885"
[16,] "Kurd" "23.8462"
[17,] "Mumbai_Jew" "24.1241"
[18,] "Punjabi_Jatt_Muslim" "24.5071"
[19,] "Uzbekistani_Jew" "25.2608"
[20,] "Iranian Assyrian" "25.5763"
> TOracle(c(23.90,0.35,5.35,0.02,0.40,26.22,16.62,1. 42,0.00,0.12,0.71,11.51,1.28,5.67,3.17,0.86,2.41), k=20, mixedmode=T)
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "40% Armenian_Yerevan + 60% Punjabi_Jatt_Sikh" "4.355"
[2,] "58.2% Kurds_North + 41.8% Tiwari" "4.7738"
[3,] "62.5% Iranian + 37.5% Tiwari" "4.8291"
[4,] "57.6% Azeri + 42.4% Tiwari" "5.1565"
[5,] "54.7% Kurds_North + 45.3% Punjabi_Jatt_Muslim" "5.2158"
[6,] "61.2% Kurds_East + 38.8% Tiwari" "5.3007"
[7,] "58.2% Punjabi_Jatt_Sikh + 41.8% Turk_Kayseri" "5.4003"
[8,] "69.7% Pathan + 30.3% Turk_Trabzon" "5.4285"
[9,] "57.7% Kurds_East + 42.3% Punjabi_Jatt_Muslim" "5.4862"
[10,] "59.2% Iranian + 40.8% Punjabi_Jatt_Muslim" "5.4986"
[11,] "52.1% Kurds_North + 47.9% Punjabi_Jatt_Sikh" "5.5488"
[12,] "37.7% Armenian_Yerevan + 62.3% Pathan" "5.5523"
[13,] "56.8% Iranian + 43.2% Punjabi_Jatt_Sikh" "5.7171"
[14,] "54% Azeri + 46% Punjabi_Jatt_Muslim" "5.8588"
[15,] "54.4% Kurd + 45.6% Tiwari" "5.9064"
[16,] "42.5% Non-Iranian Assyrian + 57.5% Punjabi_Jatt_Sikh" "5.9704"
[17,] "50.7% Kurd + 49.3% Punjabi_Jatt_Muslim" "6.023"
[18,] "39.3% Armenian_Yerevan + 60.7% Burusho" "6.068"
[19,] "42.3% Armenian_Yerevan + 57.7% Punjabi_Jatt_Muslim" "6.1022"
[20,] "35.3% Kshatriya + 64.7% Kurds_North"


My results, which are AncestryDNA, and are even more off than my daughter's. :

17 ancestral populations
130344 total SNPs
0 flipped SNPs
127229 heterozygous SNPs
0 no-calls
3115 absent SNPs
0.976102 genotype rate
mode genomewide

3115 SNPs missing (no-call or absent)

Admixture MDLP K17 %
African Sub-Saharan 18.11
Archaic African 13.29
West European HG 12.49
Ancestral East European 10.07
Caucasian Basal 7.13
South-East Asian 6.93
Ancestral North Indian 6.18
Ancestral South Indian 5.1
Ancestral Mediteranean 5.96
Near East Basal 3.84
Amerindian 3.5
Uralic 2.91
Melano Austronesian 1.78
Ancestral East Siberian 1.05
Ancestral West Siberian 0.59
Ancestral Sami Finnish 0.85
Circumpolar 0.2


[1,] "70.6% Mixed African European + 29.4% Uzbeks" "6.6743"
[2,] "73.3% Mixed African European + 26.7% Uzbek" "6.7551"
[3,] "77% Mixed African European + 23% Nepalese" "6.8151"
[4,] "72.1% Mixed African European + 27.9% Uyghur" "6.8906"
[5,] "71.7% Mixed African European + 28.3% Turkmens" "6.9274"
[6,] "25.9% Hazara + 74.1% Mixed African European" "7.0745"
[7,] "71% Mixed African European + 29% Turkmen" "7.1533"
[8,] "73.6% Mixed African European + 26.4% Uygur" "7.2189"
[9,] "22.4% Burusho + 77.6% Mixed African European" "7.3806"
[10,] "75% Mixed African European + 25% Tajik-panjshiri " "7.5924"
[11,] "24.8% Central Asian + 75.2% Mixed African European" "7.6297"
[12,] "73.5% Mixed African European + 26.5% Tajik" "7.8826"
[13,] "76.2% Mixed African European + 23.8% Pashtun" "7.9026"
[14,] "79% Mixed African European + 21% Punjabi_Jatt_Muslim" "8.2011"
[15,] "80.6% Mixed African European + 19.4% Pakistani" "8.2567"
[16,] "78.7% Mixed African European + 21.3% Pathan" "8.2764"
[17,] "78.9% Mixed African European + 21.1% Punjabi_Jatt_Sikh" "8.2875"
[18,] "79.2% Mixed African European + 20.8% Mumbai_Jew" "8.3693"
[19,] "25.1% Karakalpak + 74.9% Mixed African European" "8.6388"
[20,] "80.7% Mixed African European + 19.3% Tiwari" "8.7794"
[21,] "19.4% Kalash + 80.6% Mixed African European" "8.8099"
[22,] "18.8% Brahmin_Karnataka + 81.2% Mixed African European" "8.827"
[23,] "81.5% Mixed African European + 18.5% Sindhi" "8.8882"
[24,] "23.2% Iranian + 76.8% Mixed African European" "9.1243"
[25,] "17.2% Kshatriya + 82.8% Mixed African European" "9.2456"
[26,] "16.5% Brahmin Tamil + 83.5% Mixed African European" "9.2489"
[27,] "83.3% Mixed African European + 16.7% TN Brahmin" "9.2636"
[28,] "16.5% AP Brahmin + 83.5% Mixed African European" "9.2658"
[29,] "82.6% Mixed African European + 17.4% Vaish" "9.3501"
[30,] "21.8% Azeri + 78.2% Mixed African European" "9.5025"

kenji.aryan
12-25-2014, 03:48 PM
I just ran the numbers, and they are off. I know this because I got a genotype rate of 0.88, with 14554 SNPs missing. I guess the DIY MDLP k17 is not compatible with the latest 23andme chip. Did you get the same genotype rate and missing SNPs?

yes its same for me too and your daughter have interesting results, does it match with real etnicity?
And which oracle you are using?


Here's mine

130344 total SNPs
9 flipped SNPs
38927 heterozygous SNPs
390 no-calls
14300 absent SNPs
0.887298 genotype rate
mode genomewide

14690 SNPs missing (no-call or absent)

Kurd
12-25-2014, 04:09 PM
even i have 14690 snp missing.

The calculators on Gedmatch are more accurate. My results with the DIY (see above) have to be way off as I definitely do not have that much African ancestry.

Kurd
12-25-2014, 04:42 PM
yes its same for me too and your daughter have interesting results, does it match with real etnicity?
And which oracle you are using?


Here's mine

130344 total SNPs
9 flipped SNPs
38927 heterozygous SNPs
390 no-calls
14300 absent SNPs
0.887298 genotype rate
mode genomewide

14690 SNPs missing (no-call or absent)

I used TOraclerelease. As far as known ancestry, I am 100% kurd, and my daughter is 75% kurd, and 25% Punjabi. My wife's mom's line is from Kasur (near Lahore), Pakistan.

My closest matches on Gedmatch are Kurd South/ Kurd East/ Iranian/ Azeri, not necessarily in that order. My daughter's are Pakistani Pashtun, Baloch, and Brahui.

With regards to DIY MDLP k17, even though my daughter's 23andMe data have a lower genotype rate, than my AncestryDNA data, they appear to be more accurate than mine, as my African is too high, ANI too low, and SE Asian a bit high.

kenji.aryan
12-25-2014, 05:04 PM
I used TOraclerelease. As far as known ancestry, I am 100% kurd, and my daughter is 75% kurd, and 25% Punjabi. My wife's mom's line is from Kasur (near Lahore), Pakistan.

My closest matches on Gedmatch are Kurd South/ Kurd East/ Iranian/ Azeri, not necessarily in that order. My daughter's are Pakistani Pashtun, Baloch, and Brahui.

With regards to DIY MDLP k17, even though my daughter's 23andMe data have a lower genotype rate, than my AncestryDNA data, they appear to be more accurate than mine, as my African is too high, ANI too low, and SE Asian a bit high.

But why your results showing African when you are 100% kurd, that's odd imo.
maybe DIY is not accurate for you, Do you get african in other Gedmatch calculators?

Kurd
12-25-2014, 05:36 PM
But why your results showing African when you are 100% kurd, that's odd imo.
maybe DIY is not accurate for you, Do you get african in other Gedmatch calculators?

I get less than 3% African. I am not sure if MDLP k17 is based more on ancient DNA or current reference samples. Nonetheless, it should not matter too much.

With regards to my wife's mom's line being from Kasur, there is a beautiful classical song by Pathana Khan sung in Seraiki, which was my favorite when I was young ( I am fluent in Urdu, Punjabi, and Seraiki). Unfortunately, I lost the cassette. If you understand Punjabi, you will be able to get much of it. I remember some of the verses:

Tusi uchhe, tuhadi zaat vi uchhi, tusaan vich uch de rahnde;
Asin Kasuri, saadi zaat Kasuri, asan vich Kasur de rahde;
............
Meda ranjhan hun kai hor, meda ranjhan hun kai hor;
Meda ranjhan hun kai hor, ni sayoon

I would like to say that the song inspired me to marry my wife, but that was not the case. I have checked youtube for the song with no success.

Anyway, if you find it, I would appreciate sending me a link :)

Thank you

kenji.aryan
12-25-2014, 08:15 PM
...............

Kurd
12-25-2014, 09:15 PM
My grandparents maternal and paternal both were fluent in Urdu too and i think it looks western punjabi dialect too very similar to mine and i can understand it fully :).

Here is the song you were talking about

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itnlnmixo0s


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sq5uSm_VXtI
Beautiful song

Thanks Bro, I really appreciate it. Pathana Khan used to sing kalams from all the famous shairs, Khwaja Ghulam Farid, Baba Bulleh Shah, Sachal Sarmast, etc.

Another beautiful song I used to listen to in the 1980s was Ek phul motiye da maar ke jaga sohniye by Mansoor Malangi. I think you may like it.

Old is gold :)

ashwinb
04-27-2015, 11:50 PM
How do you get this calculator done? I couldnt see it on gedmatch.

BalkanKiwi
04-28-2015, 12:35 AM
It doesn't exist anymore. On Gedmatch anyway.

anglesqueville
05-06-2015, 03:27 PM
Ashwinb: the files for DIY and a (big!) averages spreadsheet for the oracles are on another forum. I don't know whether I'm allowed to post a link to another forum, and furthermore I don't wish to promote that one, so .... google helps!

Kurd
05-07-2015, 07:02 PM
I got this working now. My ANI & ASI are very consistent with Eurogenes K7 ANE, ASE. The marker overlap is 88% which is way better than ~25% with MDLP k14

http://i.imgur.com/DD9D4fY.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/s7aI3mO.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/CQdgByw.jpg

jesus
05-07-2015, 07:16 PM
Is there a full tajik panshiri sample ? can you run their oracle ? ^

Kurd
05-07-2015, 07:27 PM
Is there a full tajik panshiri sample ? can you run their oracle ? ^

I don't have the spreadsheet for this calculator. If you can provide me a link to the spreadsheet, and there is a sample, I can run it.

EDIT: I ran this oracle in R, against a K17 F file

Anabasis
05-07-2015, 08:36 PM
Are there files for K17? I would like to run it for myself.

Dr_McNinja
05-07-2015, 08:42 PM
What were your old K17/K23 results like compared to these?

Could you e-mail me a copy of the calculator? [email protected] I'd be interested to see how ANE/ANI work out for South Asians now. What did you do to fix it?

Caspian
05-07-2015, 09:00 PM
Are there files for K17? I would like to run it for myself.

I would like it too.

Anabasis
05-07-2015, 09:02 PM
What were your old K17/K23 results like compared to these?

Could you e-mail me a copy of the calculator? [email protected] I'd be interested to see how ANE/ANI work out for South Asians now. What did you do to fix it?

add me CC please [email protected]

anglesqueville
05-07-2015, 09:09 PM
Call me stupid, since the beginning I believed that the topic was Mdlp K18. Sorry.

Kurd
05-07-2015, 09:34 PM
I just had a corrupted file. I will email a zipped copy to Dr McNinja, and maybe he can upload it to google drive.

randwulf
05-08-2015, 03:10 AM
I found the calculator with Google given anglequesville's hint from above.

Me:

West_European_HG 32.38
Ancestral_East_European_ANE 26.75
Ancestral_Mediterranean_EEF 16.90
Caucasian-Basal 7.09
Ancestral_Sami-Finnic 4.31
Ancestral_North_Indian 3.91
Near-East-Basal 2.79
Ancestral_East_Siberian 1.62
Archaic_African 0.97
Ancestral_West_Siberian 0.86
Circumpolar 0.86
South_East_Asian 0.71
Uralic 0.57
Ancestral_South_Indian 0.18
African_Sub_Saharian 0.05
Melano-Austronesian 0.02
Amerindian 0.01

Dad (German American with small East Asian mix):

West_European_HG 32.02
Ancestral_East_European_ANE 25.47
Ancestral_Mediterranean_EEF 15.78
Ancestral_North_Indian 6.66
Caucasian-Basal 6.50
Ancestral_Sami-Finnic 3.50
Ancestral_East_Siberian 2.72
Ancestral_West_Siberian 2.32
Near-East-Basal 2.04
Uralic 1.23
Archaic_African 1.01
Melano-Austronesian 0.54
Amerindian 0.16
African_Sub_Saharian 0.03
South_East_Asian 0.02
Circumpolar 0.01
Ancestral_South_Indian 0.00

Mom (Colonial USA mostly English and German some Scottish/French/Irish):

West_European_HG 32.78
Ancestral_East_European_ANE 29.71
Ancestral_Mediterranean_EEF 14.88
Caucasian-Basal 9.22
Ancestral_North_Indian 3.43
Ancestral_Sami-Finnic 2.80
Ancestral_South_Indian 2.01
Uralic 1.48
Circumpolar 1.48
Near-East-Basal 0.64
Archaic_African 0.53
Amerindian 0.36
South_East_Asian 0.24
African_Sub_Saharian 0.16
Ancestral_West_Siberian 0.14
Melano-Austronesian 0.13
Ancestral_East_Siberian 0.00

Tolan
05-08-2015, 03:46 AM
I have the files of K17 since August 2014, but I do not remember where I had found them..

FINAL ADMIXTURE PROPORTIONS:
----------------------------

7.53% Caucasian-Basal
0.51% Melano-Austronesian
3.47% Uralic
0.05% Ancestral_East_Siber
0.00% Ancestral_West_Siber
5.69% Ancestral_North_Indi
1.65% Ancestral_South_Indi
33.43% West_European_HG
3.67% Ancestral_Sami-Finni
0.01% South_East_Asian
0.42% Archaic_African
16.48% Ancestral_Mediterran
0.09% Circumpolar
1.88% Near-East-Basal
24.30% Ancestral_East_Europ
0.45% African_Sub_Saharian
0.35% Amerindian

> TOracle(c(7.53,0.51,3.47,0.05,0,5.69,1.65,33.43,3. 67,0.01,0.42,16.48,0.09,1.88,24.3,0.45,0.35))

[1,] "Mixed German-British" "5.0261"
[2,] "German-Volga" "6.1865"
[3,] "English" "7.0826"
[4,] "Scottish" "7.3123"
[5,] "German-South" "7.8315"
[6,] "West-German" "9.4751"
[7,] "Mixed_European" "10.8205"
[8,] "Welsh" "11.0422"
[9,] "Spanish-Aragon-Valencia" "11.1615"
[10,] "Irish" "11.298"

> TOracle(c(7.53,0.51,3.47,0.05,0,5.69,1.65,33.43,3. 67,0.01,0.42,16.48,0.09,1.88,24.3,0.45,0.35),mixed mode=T)
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "80.5% German-Volga + 19.5% Spaniard_Cataluna" "1.927"
[2,] "13% French_Basque + 87% German-Volga" "2.004"
[3,] "82.5% German-Volga + 17.5% Spaniard_Pais_Vasco" "2.0465"
[4,] "32.5% French + 67.5% German-Volga" "2.3672"
[5,] "83% German-Volga + 17% Spain_BASC" "2.3868"
[6,] "78.4% CEU + 21.6% French_Jew" "2.4394"
[7,] "77.3% German-Volga + 22.7% Spaniard" "2.4803"
[8,] "78.4% German-Volga + 21.6% Spaniard_Valencia" "2.503"
[9,] "53.6% Mixed_CEU + 46.4% Occitan" "2.5086"
[10,] "54.8% Mixed_European + 45.2% Occitan" "2.5376"

ZephyrousMandaru
05-08-2015, 04:27 AM
Today is your lucky day, because I linked them in an old thread back in August 2014.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6n7iMc2P-yQaWhVWTZkczJtLUk/edit

Anabasis
05-08-2015, 06:27 AM
Here is my scores.

45.07% Caucasian-Basal
0.23% Melano-Austronesian
0.00% Uralic
0.94% Ancestral_East_Siber
0.00% Ancestral_West_Siber
12.72% Ancestral_North_Indi
0.02% Ancestral_South_Indi
4.27% West_European_HG
0.23% Ancestral_Sami-Finni
0.00% South_East_Asian
0.02% Archaic_African
27.04% Ancestral_Mediterran
0.00% Circumpolar
9.01% Near-East-Basal
0.04% Ancestral_East_Europ
0.41% African_Sub_Saharian
0.00% Amerindian

Anabasis
05-08-2015, 06:50 AM
Yes ANI scores are are almost same with K14 but not with K7 ANE which is %15

BalkanKiwi
05-08-2015, 07:27 AM
10.19% Caucasian-Basal
1.54% Melano-Austronesian
3.71% Uralic
0.00% Ancestral_East_Siber
0.36% Ancestral_West_Siber
2.99% Ancestral_North_Indi
2.61% Ancestral_South_Indi
30.03% West_European_HG
2.75% Ancestral_Sami-Finni
0.20% South_East_Asian
0.24% Archaic_African
13.15% Ancestral_Mediterran
0.02% Circumpolar
2.38% Near-East-Basal
29.52% Ancestral_East_Europ
0.00% African_Sub_Saharian
0.30% Amerindian

anglesqueville
05-08-2015, 08:19 AM
Thanks ZephyrousMandaru, one calculator more, that's every time Christmas. This K17 does'nt seem deeply different from the K18, at least at first glance.
8.01% Caucasian-Basal
0.45% Melano-Austronesian
3.01% Uralic
0.22% Ancestral_East_Siber
1.21% Ancestral_West_Siber
6.81% Ancestral_North_Indi
0.56% Ancestral_South_Indi
34.19% West_European_HG
2.73% Ancestral_Sami-Finni
0.00% South_East_Asian
0.40% Archaic_African
17.90% Ancestral_Mediterran
0.46% Circumpolar
0.36% Near-East-Basal
23.04% Ancestral_East_Europ
0.00% African_Sub_Saharian
0.64% Amerindian

[,1] [,2]
[1,] "Mixed German-British" "7.1034"
[2,] "German-Volga" "8.0379"
[3,] "English" "8.8908"
[4,] "Scottish" "9.1931"


[1,] "71.3% German-Volga + 28.7% Spaniard_Valencia" "2.8164"
[2,] "70.6% Mixed German-British + 29.4% Spaniard_Castilla_La_Mancha" "2.8658


For info, my oracles (Burn.) with K18
4 Ancestors Oracle
Version 0.97 by Alexandr Burnashev

Data file is C:\Users\utilisateur\Desktop\MDLP K18 Ancient Roots\average18.txt
18 components mode.
Population data has been read. 497 populations found.
Personal data has been read. 20 approximations mode.
Person: Test1
Threshold of components set to 0,36%


Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 N._European @ 4,899815
2 Belgian @ 7,397167
3 Welsh @ 9,036674
4 French @ 9,418426
5 CEU @ 10,047006
6 South-German @ 10,190152
7 Cornish @ 11,846107
8 Mixed_German @ 11,966469
9 British_Kent @ 12,580552
10 German-Volga @ 12,657431
11 North_German @ 14,060217
12 Mixed_European @ 14,725641
13 Scottish_Argyll @ 15,140688
14 Swede @ 15,157151
15 Orcadian @ 15,169377
16 Swedish @ 15,791379
17 Occitan @ 16,280163
18 Austrian @ 17,307654
19 Norwegian @ 18,497246
20 Spanish_Extremadura @ 19,184363
497 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 N._European+N._European @ 4,899815
2 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha+Swede @ 4,921526
3 Cornish+German-Volga @ 5,152516
4 German-Volga+Welsh @ 5,212675
5 N._European+South-German @ 5,272041
6 French+North_German @ 5,493162
7 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha+Swedish @ 5,522807
8 French+South-German @ 5,532925
9 South-German+Welsh @ 5,575234
10 British_Kent+German-Volga @ 5,643552
11 Belgian+N._European @ 5,657056
12 CEU+German-Volga @ 5,661605
13 Spaniards+Swede @ 5,672512
14 German-Volga+Orcadian @ 5,690036
15 German-Volga+Norwegian @ 5,690952
16 French+Mixed_European @ 5,753226
17 Occitan+Swede @ 5,777578
18 French+Swede @ 5,962742
19 Cornish+South-German @ 6,020708
20 Belgian+South-German @ 6,097754
123753 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% N._European +25% British +25% Romanians @ 3,059856
2 50% Cornish +25% N._European +25% Romanians @ 3,085006
3 50% Orcadian +25% N._European +25% Romanians @ 3,195477
4 50% Swede +25% French_Basque +25% Romanians @ 3,226166
5 50% Cornish +25% Belgian +25% Romanians @ 3,267157
6 50% Swedish +25% French_Basque +25% Romanians @ 3,326363
7 50% Scottish_Argyll +25% Czech +25% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3,331867
8 50% Cornish +25% Cornish +25% Romanians @ 3,342916
9 50% Cornish +25% Romanians +25% Welsh @ 3,352444
10 50% Cornish +25% CEU +25% Romanians @ 3,402734
11 50% Cornish +25% German +25% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3,414062
12 50% Orcadian +25% French +25% Romanians @ 3,422708
13 50% Orcadian +25% Hungarians +25% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3,427718
14 50% Belgian +25% British +25% Romanians @ 3,479331
15 50% Orcadian +25% Czech +25% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3,516037
16 50% Welsh +25% Cornish +25% Romanians @ 3,545345
17 50% Orcadian +25% Slovenian +25% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3,55196
18 50% Orcadian +25% German +25% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3,552841
19 50% Orcadian +25% Croatian +25% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3,592689
20 50% Orcadian +25% Serb_Serbia +25% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3,617479
18229709 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 British+Romanians+Spanish_Pais_Vasco+Swede @ 2,249544
2 Orcadian+Romanians+Spanish_Pais_Vasco+Swede @ 2,650715
3 British+Romanians+Spanish_Cataluna+Swede @ 2,774285
4 Orcadian+Romanians+Spanish_Pais_Vasco+Swedish @ 2,799049
5 Croatian+Norwegian+Scottish_Argyll+Spanish_Castill a_La_Mancha @ 2,824066
6 French_Basque+Romanians+Swede+Swedish @ 2,843694
7 Norwegian+Scottish_Argyll+Spanish_Castilla_La_Manc ha+Ukrainian-Carpathy @ 2,901015
8 British+Romanians+Spanish_Pais_Vasco+Swedish @ 2,906851
9 Romanians+Scottish_Argyll+Spain_BASC+Swede @ 2,911422
10 British+Romanians+Spain_BASC+Swede @ 2,922984
11 British+Cornish+N._European+Romanians @ 2,94144
12 Cornish+N._European+Orcadian+Romanians @ 2,945104
13 Czech+Norwegian+Scottish_Argyll+Spanish_Castilla_L a_Mancha @ 2,978876
14 Belgian+British+N._European+Romanians @ 2,982284
15 Romanians+Scottish_Argyll+Spanish_Pais_Vasco+Swede @ 2,98342
16 British+N._European+Romanians+Welsh @ 2,988395
17 Norwegian+Scottish_Argyll+Slovenian+Spanish_Castil la_La_Mancha @ 3,001935
18 Bosnian+Norwegian+Scottish_Argyll+Spanish_Castilla _La_Mancha @ 3,004236
19 Hungarians+Norwegian+Scottish_Argyll+Spanish_Casti lla_La_Mancha @ 3,037225
20 Romanians+Scottish_Argyll+Spanish_Pais_Vasco+Swedi sh @ 3,039664
21 Romanians+Scottish_Argyll+Spain_BASC+Swedish @ 3,042635
22 Cornish+Romanians+Spanish_Pais_Vasco+Swedish @ 3,044536
23 British+North_German+Romanians+Spanish_Pais_Vasco @ 3,047647
24 British+CEU+N._European+Romanians @ 3,048649
25 British+N._European+N._European+Romanians @ 3,059856
26 Croat+Norwegian+Scottish_Argyll+Spanish_Castilla_L a_Mancha @ 3,0796
27 British+Romanians+Spanish_Cataluna+Swedish @ 3,083015
28 Cornish+Cornish+N._European+Romanians @ 3,085006
29 Orcadian+Romanians+Spain_BASC+Swede @ 3,085922
30 CEU+Romanians+Spanish_Pais_Vasco+Swedish @ 3,096354
31 British_Kent+Romanians+Spanish_Pais_Vasco+Swedish @ 3,125063
32 British_Kent+German+Norwegian+Spanish_Castilla_La_ Mancha @ 3,127808
33 Czech+Orcadian+Scottish_Argyll+Spanish_Castilla_La _Mancha @ 3,148734
34 Cornish+N._European+Norwegian+Romanians @ 3,156143
35 N._European+Norwegian+Romanians+Scottish_Argyll @ 3,160434
36 Norwegian+Romanians+Spanish_Pais_Vasco+Swede @ 3,167753
37 German+Norwegian+Scottish_Argyll+Spanish_Castilla_ La_Mancha @ 3,168094
38 Croat_BH+Norwegian+Scottish_Argyll+Spanish_Castill a_La_Mancha @ 3,174988
39 British+German+N._European+Spanish_Castilla_La_Man cha @ 3,188679
40 N._European+Orcadian+Orcadian+Romanians @ 3,195477

firemonkey
05-08-2015, 09:38 AM
MDLP ancient roots K17

# Population Percent
1 Ancestral_East_European_ANE 46.01
2 West_European_HG 27.6
3 Ancestral_Mediterranean_EEF 12.79
4 Caucasian-Basal 4.87
5 Uralic 2.46
6 Ancestral_North_Indian 2.06
7 Ancestral_Sami-Finnic 1.94
8 Amerindian 0.74
9 African_Sub_Saharian 0.65
10 Circumpolar 0.39
11 Ancestral_South_Indian 0.35
12 Ancestral_West_Siberian 0.13

MonkeyDLuffy
05-08-2015, 02:37 PM
Thanks kenji for running my data

11.13% Caucasian
0.70% Melano-Austronesian
7.90% Volga-Uralic
1.42% East_Siberian
2.03% West_Siberian
30.34% South_Central_Asian
32.55% South_Indian
1.37% North_West_European
0.57% Sami-Finnic
0.74% South_East_Asian
0.00% Archaic_African
1.66% Mediterranean
0.20% Arctic
0.83% Afroasiatic
5.91% East_European
2.34% Roma
0.00% East_African
0.33% Amerindian


The volga Uralic and east euro are still high in my results


Can someone run my oracle? thanks

Kurd
05-08-2015, 04:08 PM
Thanks kenji for running my data

11.13% Caucasian
0.70% Melano-Austronesian
7.90% Volga-Uralic
1.42% East_Siberian
2.03% West_Siberian
30.34% South_Central_Asian
32.55% South_Indian
1.37% North_West_European
0.57% Sami-Finnic
0.74% South_East_Asian
0.00% Archaic_African
1.66% Mediterranean
0.20% Arctic
0.83% Afroasiatic
5.91% East_European
2.34% Roma
0.00% East_African
0.33% Amerindian


The volga Uralic and east euro are still high in my results


Can someone run my oracle? thanks

FYI, this is not the k17 calculator :)

Sapporo
05-08-2015, 05:07 PM
Posted them very early on in the thread but reposting for comparison purposes:

My K18 and K17:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 South_Central_Asian 32.82
2 South_Indian 28.75
3 Caucasian 11.22
4 Volga-Uralic 5.83
5 East_European 4.9
6 Roma 3.29
7 North_West_European 2.67
8 Sami-Finnic 2.59
9 Mediterranean 1.98
10 Amerindian 1.7
11 West_Siberian 1.26
12 Afroasiatic 1.07
13 Arctic 0.96
14 East_Siberian 0.87
15 East_African 0.09

Single Population Sharing:


# Population (source) Distance
1 Pathan 7.24
2 Burusho 7.88
3 Tiwari 9.01
4 Pakistani 9.14
5 Sindhi 10.62
6 Mumbai_Jews 15.67
7 Kshatriya 16.01
8 Kalash 16.41
9 Pashtun 16.62
10 Vaish 16.71
11 Brahmins_Tamil 18.04
12 AP_Brahmin 18.09
13 TN_Brahmin 18.22
14 Brahmins_UP 18.4
15 Nepalese 18.82
16 Meghawal 20.01
17 Tadjik 22.16
18 Uzbek 22.48
19 Srivastava 22.62
20 Tharus 22.88

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 70.7% Pathan + 29.3% Kshatriya @ 3.2
2 56.5% Pathan + 43.5% Tiwari @ 3.23
3 51% Kshatriya + 49% Pashtun @ 3.37
4 87.9% Pathan + 12.1% Chenchu @ 3.4
5 52.6% Pashtun + 47.4% Brahmins_UP @ 3.46
6 81% Pathan + 19% Muslim @ 3.47
7 74% Pathan + 26% Brahmins_UP @ 3.49
8 91.5% Pathan + 8.5% Pulliyar @ 3.55
9 90.1% Pathan + 9.9% Malayan @ 3.55
10 78% Pathan + 22% Srivastava @ 3.57
11 88% Pathan + 12% Kurumba @ 3.58
12 90.7% Pathan + 9.3% Irula @ 3.58
13 91% Pathan + 9% Paniya @ 3.6
14 85.3% Pathan + 14.7% Tharu @ 3.6
15 88.7% Pathan + 11.3% Mala @ 3.63
16 88.7% Pathan + 11.3% Nihali @ 3.64
17 88.5% Pathan + 11.5% Hallaki @ 3.64
18 52.4% Pashtun + 47.6% TN_Brahmin @ 3.66
19 87.4% Pathan + 12.6% Hakkipikki @ 3.69
20 88% Pathan + 12% TN_Dalit @ 3.71

# Population Percent
1 33.82% Ancestral_South_Indian
2 30.01% Ancestral_North_Indian
3 12.59% Caucasian-Basal
4 7.70% Ancestral_East_European
5 4.92% Ancestral_Mediterranean
6 2.24% Uralic
7 1.89% West_European_HG
8 1.32% Amerindian
9 1.26% Ancestral_East_Siber
10 1.25% Ancestral_Sami-Finni
11 1.09% Ancestral_West_Siber
12 0.61% South_East_Asian
13 0.46% Melano-Austronesian
14 0.35% Circumpolar
15 0.28% African_Sub_Saharian
16 0.11% Archaic_African & 0.11% Near-East-Basal

Could someone run my oracle on the K17?

Dr_McNinja
05-10-2015, 09:25 PM
Did I ever run K17 results? I only see my old posts for K18 here. The K17 is very different from the K18, a lot better. The ANI does seem to correlate to ANE (but I'm not sure how, since that must contain ENF and the other components must contain some ANE) and the WHG seems to be similar to West Eurasia K8.

Does anyone have a link to a population averages spreadsheet for K17?

Dr_McNinja
05-10-2015, 09:28 PM
# Population Percent
1 33.82% Ancestral_South_Indian
2 30.01% Ancestral_North_Indian
3 12.59% Caucasian-Basal
4 7.70% Ancestral_East_European
5 4.92% Ancestral_Mediterranean
6 2.24% Uralic
7 1.89% West_European_HG
8 1.32% Amerindian
9 1.26% Ancestral_East_Siber
10 1.25% Ancestral_Sami-Finni
11 1.09% Ancestral_West_Siber
12 0.61% South_East_Asian
13 0.46% Melano-Austronesian
14 0.35% Circumpolar
15 0.28% African_Sub_Saharian
16 0.11% Archaic_African & 0.11% Near-East-Basal

Could someone run my oracle on the K17?When I run you through the K17 linked to by Zeph I get the following:


15.06% Caucasian-Basal
0.00% Melano-Austronesian
6.63% Uralic
0.45% Ancestral_East_Siber
1.73% Ancestral_West_Siber
36.18% Ancestral_North_Indi
27.28% Ancestral_South_Indi
1.35% West_European_HG
2.53% Ancestral_Sami-Finni
0.00% South_East_Asian
0.00% Archaic_African
0.02% Ancestral_Mediterran
0.75% Circumpolar
0.54% Near-East-Basal
5.18% Ancestral_East_Europ
0.33% African_Sub_Saharian
1.97% Amerindian

Dr_McNinja
05-10-2015, 09:29 PM
Kurd, can you post the modifications you made to the K17 calculator? I can then upload a copy to Google Drive for download.

Kurd
05-10-2015, 11:58 PM
Sapporo's k17 oracle:

1,] "Punjabi_Jatt_Muslim" "4.5151"
[2,] "Tiwari" "8.6179"
[3,] "Punjabi_Jatt_Sikh" "8.663"
[4,] "Pakistani" "8.8626"
[5,] "Brahmin_Karnataka" "12.656"
[6,] "Burusho" "13.0954"
[7,] "Mumbai_Jew" "13.2518"
[8,] "Pathan" "14.5058"
[9,] "Kshatriya" "14.9097"
[10,] "Vaish" "14.9666"
[11,] "TN_Brahmin" "16.5971"
[12,] "Brahmin_Tamil" "17.2287"
[13,] "Sindhi" "17.4685"
[14,] "Brahmin_UP" "17.6906"
[15,] "Nepalese" "18.6033"
[16,] "AP_Brahmin" "19.1149"
[17,] "Meghawal" "19.8818"
[18,] "Srivastava" "20.8639"
[19,] "Central_Asian" "22.8898"
[20,] "Tajik-panjshiri " "22.8971"
> TOracle(c(12.59,0.46,2.24,1.26,1.09,30.01,33.82,1. 89,1.25,0.61,0.11,4.92,0.35,0.11,7.70,0.28,1.32),k =20,mixedmode=T)
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "54.7% Central_Asian + 45.3% Kanjar" "3.0008"
[2,] "45.3% Kanjar + 54.7% Tajik-panjshiri " "3.011"
[3,] "57.6% Central_Asian + 42.4% Lodi" "3.0307"
[4,] "42.4% Lodi + 57.6% Tajik-panjshiri " "3.0358"
[5,] "47.7% Dharkar + 52.3% Tajik-panjshiri " "3.1322"
[6,] "52.3% Central_Asian + 47.7% Dharkar" "3.138"
[7,] "41.8% Naidu + 58.2% Tajik-panjshiri " "3.338"
[8,] "58.2% Central_Asian + 41.8% Naidu" "3.3391"
[9,] "62.1% Central_Asian + 37.9% Kamsali" "3.3857"
[10,] "37.9% Kamsali + 62.1% Tajik-panjshiri " "3.3873"
[11,] "40.9% Scheduled_Caste_Tamil_Nadu + 59.1% Tajik-panjshiri " "3.4296"
[12,] "59.2% Central_Asian + 40.8% Scheduled_Caste_Tamil_Nadu" "3.4303"
[13,] "61.2% Central_Asian + 38.8% Vysya" "3.5078"
[14,] "61.2% Tajik-panjshiri + 38.8% Vysya" "3.5086"
[15,] "40.3% Dusadh + 59.7% Tajik-panjshiri " "3.5573"
[16,] "59.7% Central_Asian + 40.3% Dusadh" "3.5579"
[17,] "3.8% LBK_Stuttgart + 96.2% Punjabi_Jatt_Muslim" "3.5633"
[18,] "4.9% Cretan + 95.1% Punjabi_Jatt_Muslim" "3.5805"
[19,] "96.6% Punjabi_Jatt_Muslim + 3.4% Sardinian" "3.5856"
[20,] "4.7% Greek-Island + 95.3% Punjabi_Jatt_Muslim" "3.5972"
>

The Barnacle
05-11-2015, 12:02 AM
Kurd could you post the Tajik panjshiris results and oracle please?

Kurd
05-11-2015, 12:16 AM
Kurd could you post the Tajik panjshiris results and oracle please?

I was looking for him myself since he popped up as my next closest proxy after Iranians and Kurds, but I have not been able to find his data. Maybe someone else may have an old k17 spreadsheet. I will be happy to run him if someone can get me his admixture

I am not using spreadsheets for oracle runs. They are run in R

Kurd
05-11-2015, 12:19 AM
Kurd, can you post the modifications you made to the K17 calculator? I can then upload a copy to Google Drive for download.

I sent you a PM

The Barnacle
05-11-2015, 12:27 AM
I was looking for him myself since he popped up as my next closest proxy after Iranians and Kurds, but I have not been able to find his data. Maybe someone else may have an old k17 spreadsheet. I will be happy to run him if someone can get me his admixture

I am not using spreadsheets for oracle runs. They are run in R

It would be very interesting to see an actual panjshiri Tajiks result. Are they more pamiri like or general pashtun like? Interesting to see IMO.

Kurd
05-11-2015, 01:11 AM
Kurd, can you post the modifications you made to the K17 calculator? I can then upload a copy to Google Drive for download.

Here is the link to the zipped file https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-ObXiVfL-RzU0JpXzVEbWFZRVE/view?usp=sharing

Dr_McNinja
05-11-2015, 02:30 AM
Here is the link to the zipped file https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-ObXiVfL-RzU0JpXzVEbWFZRVE/view?usp=sharing

This looks to be the same as Zeph's version. ANI is high (36) on Sapporo's result so it seems like it's just a Gedrosian component.

Sapporo
05-11-2015, 02:36 AM
When I run you through the K17 linked to by Zeph I get the following:

I took those results from earlier in the thread. I think the ones you posted. Maybe I got them mixed up? Can someone run my oracle with these results instead?

Edit: Corrected results posted below. :)

Sapporo
05-11-2015, 02:39 AM
Sapporo's k17 oracle:

1,] "Punjabi_Jatt_Muslim" "4.5151"
[2,] "Tiwari" "8.6179"
[3,] "Punjabi_Jatt_Sikh" "8.663"
[4,] "Pakistani" "8.8626"
[5,] "Brahmin_Karnataka" "12.656"
[6,] "Burusho" "13.0954"
[7,] "Mumbai_Jew" "13.2518"
[8,] "Pathan" "14.5058"
[9,] "Kshatriya" "14.9097"
[10,] "Vaish" "14.9666"
[11,] "TN_Brahmin" "16.5971"
[12,] "Brahmin_Tamil" "17.2287"
[13,] "Sindhi" "17.4685"
[14,] "Brahmin_UP" "17.6906"
[15,] "Nepalese" "18.6033"
[16,] "AP_Brahmin" "19.1149"
[17,] "Meghawal" "19.8818"
[18,] "Srivastava" "20.8639"
[19,] "Central_Asian" "22.8898"
[20,] "Tajik-panjshiri " "22.8971"
> TOracle(c(12.59,0.46,2.24,1.26,1.09,30.01,33.82,1. 89,1.25,0.61,0.11,4.92,0.35,0.11,7.70,0.28,1.32),k =20,mixedmode=T)
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "54.7% Central_Asian + 45.3% Kanjar" "3.0008"
[2,] "45.3% Kanjar + 54.7% Tajik-panjshiri " "3.011"
[3,] "57.6% Central_Asian + 42.4% Lodi" "3.0307"
[4,] "42.4% Lodi + 57.6% Tajik-panjshiri " "3.0358"
[5,] "47.7% Dharkar + 52.3% Tajik-panjshiri " "3.1322"
[6,] "52.3% Central_Asian + 47.7% Dharkar" "3.138"
[7,] "41.8% Naidu + 58.2% Tajik-panjshiri " "3.338"
[8,] "58.2% Central_Asian + 41.8% Naidu" "3.3391"
[9,] "62.1% Central_Asian + 37.9% Kamsali" "3.3857"
[10,] "37.9% Kamsali + 62.1% Tajik-panjshiri " "3.3873"
[11,] "40.9% Scheduled_Caste_Tamil_Nadu + 59.1% Tajik-panjshiri " "3.4296"
[12,] "59.2% Central_Asian + 40.8% Scheduled_Caste_Tamil_Nadu" "3.4303"
[13,] "61.2% Central_Asian + 38.8% Vysya" "3.5078"
[14,] "61.2% Tajik-panjshiri + 38.8% Vysya" "3.5086"
[15,] "40.3% Dusadh + 59.7% Tajik-panjshiri " "3.5573"
[16,] "59.7% Central_Asian + 40.3% Dusadh" "3.5579"
[17,] "3.8% LBK_Stuttgart + 96.2% Punjabi_Jatt_Muslim" "3.5633"
[18,] "4.9% Cretan + 95.1% Punjabi_Jatt_Muslim" "3.5805"
[19,] "96.6% Punjabi_Jatt_Muslim + 3.4% Sardinian" "3.5856"
[20,] "4.7% Greek-Island + 95.3% Punjabi_Jatt_Muslim" "3.5972"
>

Those are not my results apparently. I copied and pasted the wrong K17 results from earlier in the thread.

Edit: Dr_McNinja ran my results quite some time back.

Results for Sapporo, HRP0341 (Punjabi Jatt Sikh)

15.06% Caucasian-Basal
0.00% Melano-Austronesian
6.63% Uralic
0.45% Ancestral_East_Siber
1.73% Ancestral_West_Siber
36.18% Ancestral_North_Indi
27.28% Ancestral_South_Indi
1.35% West_European_HG
2.53% Ancestral_Sami-Finni
0.00% South_East_Asian
0.00% Archaic_African
0.02% Ancestral_Mediterran
0.75% Circumpolar
0.54% Near-East-Basal
5.18% Ancestral_East_Europ
0.33% African_Sub_Saharian
1.97% Amerindian

Oracle

[1,] "Punjabi_Jatt_Sikh" "5.2953"
[2,] "Pathan" "7.1383"
[3,] "Burusho" "8.209"
[4,] "Punjabi_Jatt_Muslim" "9.2197"
[5,] "Pakistani" "11.6049"
[6,] "Sindhi" "12.03"
[7,] "Tiwari" "12.1765"
[8,] "Kalash" "13.7526"
[9,] "Pashtun" "16.3335"
[10,] "Central_Asian" "18.1983"


[1,] "46.8% Kalash + 53.2% Tiwari" "3.2345"
[2,] "19.6% Chenchu + 80.4% Kalash" "3.2562"
[3,] "15.7% Irula + 84.3% Kalash" "3.3061"
[4,] "85.6% Kalash + 14.4% Pulliyar" "3.4553"
[5,] "84.9% Kalash + 15.1% Paniya" "3.4674"
[6,] "39% Kalash + 61% Punjabi_Jatt_Muslim" "3.5925"
[7,] "22.6% Kalash + 77.4% Punjabi_Jatt_Sikh" "3.6184"
[8,] "81.5% Kalash + 18.5% Nihali" "3.8193"
[9,] "71.9% Kalash + 28.1% Lambadi" "3.872"
[10,] "80.6% Kalash + 19.4% Kurumba" "3.9426"


http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?3026-MDLP-ancient-roots-!-!&p=49852&viewfull=1#post49852

Who is this Punjabi Jatt Sikh? I thought it was me at first.

Kurd
05-11-2015, 03:20 AM
Those are not my results apparently. I copied and pasted the wrong K17 results from earlier in the thread.

Edit: Dr_McNinja ran my results quite some time back.

Results for Sapporo, HRP0341 (Punjabi Jatt Sikh)

15.06% Caucasian-Basal
0.00% Melano-Austronesian
6.63% Uralic
0.45% Ancestral_East_Siber
1.73% Ancestral_West_Siber
36.18% Ancestral_North_Indi
27.28% Ancestral_South_Indi
1.35% West_European_HG
2.53% Ancestral_Sami-Finni
0.00% South_East_Asian
0.00% Archaic_African
0.02% Ancestral_Mediterran
0.75% Circumpolar
0.54% Near-East-Basal
5.18% Ancestral_East_Europ
0.33% African_Sub_Saharian
1.97% Amerindian

Oracle

[1,] "Punjabi_Jatt_Sikh" "5.2953"
[2,] "Pathan" "7.1383"
[3,] "Burusho" "8.209"
[4,] "Punjabi_Jatt_Muslim" "9.2197"
[5,] "Pakistani" "11.6049"
[6,] "Sindhi" "12.03"
[7,] "Tiwari" "12.1765"
[8,] "Kalash" "13.7526"
[9,] "Pashtun" "16.3335"
[10,] "Central_Asian" "18.1983"


[1,] "46.8% Kalash + 53.2% Tiwari" "3.2345"
[2,] "19.6% Chenchu + 80.4% Kalash" "3.2562"
[3,] "15.7% Irula + 84.3% Kalash" "3.3061"
[4,] "85.6% Kalash + 14.4% Pulliyar" "3.4553"
[5,] "84.9% Kalash + 15.1% Paniya" "3.4674"
[6,] "39% Kalash + 61% Punjabi_Jatt_Muslim" "3.5925"
[7,] "22.6% Kalash + 77.4% Punjabi_Jatt_Sikh" "3.6184"
[8,] "81.5% Kalash + 18.5% Nihali" "3.8193"
[9,] "71.9% Kalash + 28.1% Lambadi" "3.872"
[10,] "80.6% Kalash + 19.4% Kurumba" "3.9426"


http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?3026-MDLP-ancient-roots-!-!&p=49852&viewfull=1#post49852

Who is this Punjabi Jatt Sikh? I thought it was me at first.

I didnt run your genome through the calculator. I just took the admixture you had posted (apparently the wrong one) and ran it through oracle. It looks like Dr McNinja ran your genome and got these results, and then ran the oracle. So it looks like you are squared away.

No idea about the punjabi Jatt Sikh

psaglav
02-20-2016, 02:27 PM
Could someone run my data and perhaps my grandmother's data on this &oracles? Some of you have my autosomal data and I think at least one person (Kurd?) has my grandmother's too.

Thanks in advance!

pity it's not on gedmatch anymore, apparently.

crossover
02-20-2016, 09:14 PM
yeah this calculator and k17 aren't on gedmatch. interesting that when k17 was available, my mom got 35% amerindian

jortita
04-15-2016, 12:44 AM
My results -K17

35.13% Ancestral_South_Indi
23.21% Ancestral_North_Indi
15.47% South_East_Asian
9.39% Caucasian-Basal
3.46% Ancestral_East_Europ
3.19% Uralic
2.14% Ancestral_East_Siber
1.93% Melano-Austronesian
1.73% Ancestral_West_Siber
1.46% Circumpolar
0.98% Amerindian
0.90% West_European_HG
0.63% African_Sub_Saharian
0.37% Ancestral_Sami-Finni

Single mode Oracle

[1,] "Nepalese" "8.2171"
[2,] "Punjabi_Jatt_Muslim" "18.2795"
[3,] "Burusho" "18.4288"
[4,] "Brahmin_Karnataka" "18.5718"
[5,] "Tiwari" "19.0146"
[6,] "Pakistani" "20.6307"
[7,] "Punjabi_Jatt_Sikh" "21.1202"
[8,] "Vaish" "21.2039"
[9,] "Kshatriya" "21.3521"
[10,] "Mumbai_Jew" "22.4404"
[11,] "Brahmin_UP" "22.5793"
[12,] "TN_Brahmin" "22.9583"
[13,] "Brahmin_Tamil" "23.5555"
[14,] "Srivastava" "23.8384"
[15,] "AP_Brahmin" "24.5284"
[16,] "Meghawal" "24.6048"
[17,] "Pathan" "25.4919"
[18,] "Marwadi-Middle-caste" "26.0831"
[19,] "Lambadi" "26.0923"
[20,] "Tharu" "26.9746"

Mixedmode Oracle

[1,] "66% Burusho + 34% Onge" "4.7137"
[2,] "24.6% Batak + 75.4% Tiwari" "4.9548"
[3,] "22% Thai + 78% Tiwari" "5.3943"
[4,] "20.3% Proto-Malay + 79.7% Tiwari" "5.5811"
[5,] "21.3% Mon + 78.7% Tiwari" "5.7504"
[6,] "19.3% Burmese + 80.7% Tiwari" "5.7972"
[7,] "18.7% Paluang + 81.3% Tiwari" "6.0295"
[8,] "51.2% Kalash + 48.8% Onge" "6.0405"
[9,] "20.4% Batak-Toba + 79.6% Tiwari" "6.0623"
[10,] "18.7% Sunda + 81.3% Tiwari" "6.0793"
[11,] "19.1% Khmer_Cambodian + 80.9% Tiwari" "6.097"
[12,] "20.4% Malay + 79.6% Tiwari" "6.1344"
[13,] "21.9% Tu + 78.1% Vaish" "6.1997"
[14,] "72.4% Burusho + 27.6% Ho" "6.2725"
[15,] "78.1% Kshatriya + 21.9% Tu" "6.3749"
[16,] "21.8% Madou_Tibetian + 78.2% Vaish" "6.4768"
[17,] "41.8% Onge + 58.2% Pathan" "6.477"
[18,] "17.5% Lawa + 82.5% Tiwari" "6.4993"
[19,] "21.1% Iraya + 78.9% Kshatriya" "6.5121"
[20,] "19% Nysha + 81% Tiwari" "6.5367"

firemonkey
04-15-2016, 07:17 AM
Could someone do my k17 with oracle please ? TIA.

Deftextra
04-19-2016, 09:28 PM
k17:

17 ancestral populations
130344 total SNPs
1 flipped SNPs
43733 heterozygous SNPs
2246 no-calls
3115 absent SNPs
0.958870 genotype rate

28.63% African_Sub_Saharian
19.09% Near-East-Basal
14.88% Ancestral_North_Indi
10.43% Ancestral_Mediterran
8.13% Archaic_African
7.51% Ancestral_South_Indi
4.40% Caucasian-Basal
2.24% South_East_Asian
1.49% Ancestral_Sami-Finni
1.20% Melano-Austronesian
0.60% Ancestral_West_Siber
0.48% Amerindian
0.37% Circumpolar
0.27% West_European_HG
0.27% Ancestral_East_Europ
0.01% Uralic
0.01% Ancestral_East_Siber

k18:

18 ancestral populations
130344 total SNPs
1 flipped SNPs
43733 heterozygous SNPs
2246 no-calls
3115 absent SNPs
0.958870 genotype rate
mode genomewide


28.53% East_African
19.22% Afroasiatic
12.52% South_Central_Asian
11.43% Mediterranean
8.09% Archaic_African
8.04% South_Indian
3.00% Caucasian
2.33% South_East_Asian
2.25% Roma
1.49% Sami-Finnic
1.20% Melano-Austronesian
0.53% North_West_European
0.35% Amerindian
0.44% West_Siberian
0.45% Arctic
0.15% East_European
0.01% East_Siberian
0.00% Volga-Uralic

drobbah
04-21-2016, 04:19 AM
K17
----------------------------
FINAL ADMIXTURE PROPORTIONS:
----------------------------

0.01% Caucasian-Basal
0.37% Melano-Austronesian
0.00% Uralic
0.87% Ancestral_East_Siber
0.00% Ancestral_West_Siber
0.32% Ancestral_North_Indi
0.13% Ancestral_South_Indi
0.03% West_European_HG
0.04% Ancestral_Sami-Finni
1.28% South_East_Asian
8.19% Archaic_African
12.03% Ancestral_Mediterran
0.00% Circumpolar
28.53% Near-East-Basal
0.00% Ancestral_East_Europ
48.20% African_Sub_Saharian
0.00% Amerindian

crossover
04-21-2016, 05:43 AM
Today is your lucky day, because I linked them in an old thread back in August 2014.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6n7iMc2P-yQaWhVWTZkczJtLUk/edit

where's the old k18 ones?

jortita
04-24-2016, 12:39 AM
My K 18 results:

36.17% South_Indian
22.01% South_Central_Asian
15.64% South_East_Asian
7.18% Caucasian
3.44% East_European
2.57% East_Siberian
2.35% Volga-Uralic
2.33% North_West_European
1.96% Melano-Austronesian
1.52% Arctic
1.34% West_Siberian
1.33% Roma
0.66% Amerindian
0.59% Mediterranean
0.48% East_African
0.42% Sami-Finnic
0.00% Archaic_African
0.00% Afroasiatic

Lupus82
03-11-2018, 12:48 AM
My K17 results. High Uralic score is surprising.


17 ancestral populations
130344 total SNPs
10 flipped SNPs
39621 heterozygous SNPs
0 no-calls
9120 absent SNPs
0.930031 genotype rate
mode genomewide

9120 SNPs missing (no-call or absent)


FINAL ADMIXTURE PROPORTIONS:
----------------------------

32.04% Caucasian-Basal
0.29% Melano-Austronesian
4.05% Uralic
0.17% Ancestral_East_Siberian
1.22% Ancestral_West_Siberian
20.53% Ancestral_North_Indian
0.07% Ancestral_South_Indian
3.69% West_European_HG
0.69% Ancestral_Sami-Finnic
0.11% South_East_Asian
0.35% Archaic_African
21.96% Ancestral_Mediterranean_EEF
1.38% Circumpolar
9.74% Near-East-Basal
2.38% Ancestral_East_European_ANE
0.83% African_Sub_Saharian
0.51% Amerindian

therrien.joel
03-11-2018, 03:31 AM
Was trying to find the k18 version. But I don't think I found the same one as this was from the MDLP DIY files and was labelled k18c. The a abd b versions didn't have the same populations as what's posted above either. Suppose that's lost to the ages.

But for kicks, here is my k18c:

10.10% Caucasian
2.75% Polinesian
6.38% NEA
1.72% Siberian
0.00% WestSiberian
0.19% Austroasiatic
0.00% Amerindian
1.61% SouthWestasian
0.00% African
43.43% Westeuropean
0.41% ANI
1.05% Dravidian
6.33% Volga_Ural
0.00% Eastafrican
0.00% Northsiberian
25.02% Easteuropean
0.82% Eastasian
0.20% Papuan

OK, that's an interesting result. Don't think I ever scored any Polynesian before.

And even though I posted it on another thread, here os what I got for the k17

8.93% Caucasian-Basal
0.80% Melano-Austronesian
3.68% Uralic
0.11% Ancestral_East_Siber
0.03% Ancestral_West_Siber
6.89% Ancestral_North_Indi
0.00% Ancestral_South_Indi
34.06% West_European_HG
4.01% Ancestral_Sami-Finni
1.00% South_East_Asian
0.71% Archaic_African
10.51% Ancestral_Mediterran
0.67% Circumpolar
0.64% Near-East-Basal
27.38% Ancestral_East_Europ
0.00% African_Sub_Saharian
0.58% Amerindian

Not all that bad really.

kitbluee
03-16-2018, 08:36 AM
K17

9.00% Caucasian-Basal
0.33% Melano-Austronesian
3.07% Uralic
0.01% Ancestral_East_Siber
2.45% Ancestral_West_Siber
4.57% Ancestral_North_Indi
0.76% Ancestral_South_Indi
38.28% West_European_HG
5.34% Ancestral_Sami-Finni
0.00% South_East_Asian
0.02% Archaic_African
7.05% Ancestral_Mediterran
0.01% Circumpolar
1.52% Near-East-Basal
26.04% Ancestral_East_Europ
0.13% African_Sub_Saharian
1.42% Amerindian

kitbluee
03-16-2018, 08:48 AM
K18c
9.96% Caucasian
0.00% Polinesian
0.83% NEA
1.35% Siberian
0.83% WestSiberian
0.00% Austroasiatic
0.18% Amerindian
5.70% SouthWestasian
0.00% African
47.22% Westeuropean
1.89% ANI
0.10% Dravidian
5.03% Volga_Ural
0.00% Eastafrican
0.58% Northsiberian
25.87% Easteuropean
0.00% Eastasian
0.45% Papuan

Magnetic
03-22-2018, 05:50 AM
Was trying to find the k18 version. But I don't think I found the same one as this was from the MDLP DIY files and was labelled k18c. The a abd b versions didn't have the same populations as what's posted above either. Suppose that's lost to the ages.

But for kicks, here is my k18c:


can you share the download link please

therrien.joel
03-22-2018, 10:57 AM
Its in the sticky post that Balkankiwi put up.

https://1drv.ms/f/s!Al0_H1OD8OmfgSph6PwVI0vFWrDY

Nino90
03-22-2018, 01:17 PM
Hi! Where do i find this, It's not on gedmatch?

StarDS9
03-22-2018, 01:34 PM
k18c

33.73% Caucasian
0.00% Polinesian
20.89% NEA
1.33% Siberian
1.73% WestSiberian
0.00% Austroasiatic
0.00% Amerindian
17.62% SouthWestasian
0.00% African
8.77% Westeuropean
8.96% ANI
1.20% Dravidian
0.66% Volga_Ural
0.69% Eastafrican
0.00% Northsiberian
4.38% Easteuropean
0.05% Eastasian
0.00% Papuan

StarDS9
03-22-2018, 01:41 PM
My K17 results. High Uralic score is surprising.


17 ancestral populations
130344 total SNPs
10 flipped SNPs
39621 heterozygous SNPs
0 no-calls
9120 absent SNPs
0.930031 genotype rate
mode genomewide

9120 SNPs missing (no-call or absent)


FINAL ADMIXTURE PROPORTIONS:
----------------------------

32.04% Caucasian-Basal
0.29% Melano-Austronesian
4.05% Uralic
0.17% Ancestral_East_Siberian
1.22% Ancestral_West_Siberian
20.53% Ancestral_North_Indian
0.07% Ancestral_South_Indian
3.69% West_European_HG
0.69% Ancestral_Sami-Finnic
0.11% South_East_Asian
0.35% Archaic_African
21.96% Ancestral_Mediterranean_EEF
1.38% Circumpolar
9.74% Near-East-Basal
2.38% Ancestral_East_European_ANE
0.83% African_Sub_Saharian
0.51% Amerindian

If I remember correctly there were two k17 calculators. This was the last one, https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6n7iMc2P-yQZUxGdXBpWEVvN0U/edit .

I think you used the old k17 files.

therrien.joel
03-23-2018, 12:23 AM
Hi! Where do i find this, It's not on gedmatch?

It's a DIY calculator.

Magnetic
03-23-2018, 04:29 AM
my k18c

"NEA" = ANE ?

33.14% Caucasian
0.00% Polinesian
27.04% NEA
3.19% Siberian
0.00% WestSiberian
0.00% Austroasiatic
0.00% Amerindian
18.10% SouthWestasian
0.00% African
3.69% Westeuropean
6.53% ANI
1.37% Dravidian
0.39% Volga_Ural
1.31% Eastafrican
0.00% Northsiberian
5.20% Easteuropean
0.04% Eastasian
0.00% Papuan

Magnetic
03-23-2018, 05:02 AM
are there any mdlp calc (outside of the ones one can find on gedmatch) files with oracle files in it ?

kush
03-23-2018, 05:29 AM
K17
4.37% Caucasian-Basal
0.62% Melano-Austronesian
0.54% Uralic
0.58% Ancestral_East_Siber
0.19% Ancestral_West_Siber
28.54% Ancestral_North_Indi
59.66% Ancestral_South_Indi
0.38% West_European_HG
0.17% Ancestral_Sami-Finni
1.83% South_East_Asian
0.04% Archaic_African
1.50% Ancestral_Mediterran
0.07% Circumpolar
0.04% Near-East-Basal
0.81% Ancestral_East_Europ
0.23% African_Sub_Saharian
0.44% Amerindian

K18c
5.09% Caucasian
0.66% Polinesian
3.33% NEA
0.00% Siberian
0.00% WestSiberian
17.13% Austroasiatic
0.41% Amerindian
16.76% SouthWestasian
0.46% African
0.73% Westeuropean
24.30% ANI
30.96% Dravidian
0.00% Volga_Ural
0.00% Eastafrican
0.00% Northsiberian
0.04% Easteuropean
0.00% Eastasian
0.10% Papuan

jortita
03-23-2018, 07:09 AM
Living DNA

K17

17 ancestral populations
130344 total SNPs
4 flipped SNPs
14021 heterozygous SNPs
136 no-calls
91750 absent SNPs
0.295050 genotype rate
mode genomewide

91886 SNPs missing (no-call or absent)


9683 total iterations
9.997E-08 final dQ

----------------------------
FINAL ADMIXTURE PROPORTIONS:
----------------------------

8.81% Caucasian-Basal
1.87% Melano-Austronesian
4.83% Uralic
0.95% Ancestral_East_Siber
1.39% Ancestral_West_Siber
21.44% Ancestral_North_Indi
37.55% Ancestral_South_Indi
2.31% West_European_HG
0.01% Ancestral_Sami-Finni
16.98% South_East_Asian
0.71% Archaic_African
0.00% Ancestral_Mediterran
0.76% Circumpolar
0.00% Near-East-Basal
0.03% Ancestral_East_Europ
0.87% African_Sub_Saharian
1.47% Amerindian

CPU time = 119.22 sec

jortita
03-23-2018, 07:11 AM
K18c

18 ancestral populations
109564 total SNPs
0 flipped SNPs
11934 heterozygous SNPs
130 no-calls
76449 absent SNPs
0.301057 genotype rate
mode genomewide

76579 SNPs missing (no-call or absent)


9249 total iterations
9.998E-08 final dQ

----------------------------
FINAL ADMIXTURE PROPORTIONS:
----------------------------

7.24% Caucasian
8.11% Polinesian
0.00% NEA
6.83% Siberian
1.30% WestSiberian
13.01% Austroasiatic
0.00% Amerindian
7.40% SouthWestasian
1.49% African
6.51% Westeuropean
13.65% ANI
26.96% Dravidian
3.95% Volga_Ural
0.00% Eastafrican
0.00% Northsiberian
0.00% Easteuropean
3.21% Eastasian
0.33% Papuan

CPU time = 88.14 sec

therrien.joel
03-23-2018, 11:50 AM
are there any mdlp calc (outside of the ones one can find on gedmatch) files with oracle files in it ?

Yes, check out the sticky post in this forum. A number of the DIY calcs have oracle files too.

mershechu
03-23-2018, 02:58 PM
Mine (Moroccan) :

K18c

43.79% NEA
15.54% Westeuropean
11.97% Eastafrican
10.25% Easteuropean
6.37% African
5.63% Caucasian


----------------------------
FINAL ADMIXTURE PROPORTIONS:
----------------------------

5.63% Caucasian
0.70% Polinesian
43.79% NEA
0.00% Siberian
0.41% WestSiberian
1.38% Austroasiatic
0.00% Amerindian
0.00% SouthWestasian
6.37% African
15.54% Westeuropean
0.00% ANI
1.66% Dravidian
0.41% Volga_Ural
11.97% Eastafrican
0.69% Northsiberian
10.25% Easteuropean
0.56% Eastasian
0.65% Papuan


K17

45.38% Ancestral_Mediterran
21.27% African_Sub_Saharian
11.93% West_European_HG
8.35% Ancestral_East_Europ
6.61% Caucasian-Basal



----------------------------
FINAL ADMIXTURE PROPORTIONS:
----------------------------

6.61% Caucasian-Basal
0.51% Melano-Austronesian
1.11% Uralic
0.19% Ancestral_East_Siber
0.28% Ancestral_West_Siber
1.79% Ancestral_North_Indi
0.87% Ancestral_South_Indi
11.93% West_European_HG
0.73% Ancestral_Sami-Finni
0.17% South_East_Asian
0.21% Archaic_African
45.38% Ancestral_Mediterran
0.15% Circumpolar
0.21% Near-East-Basal
8.35% Ancestral_East_Europ
21.27% African_Sub_Saharian
0.22% Amerindian


K20c

29.53% EEF
26.82% North-African
12.50% Natufian
6.32% African
6.13% WHG
5.68% Anatolian-Neolithic
5.58% CHG


----------------------------
FINAL ADMIXTURE PROPORTIONS:
----------------------------

6.13% WHG
0.00% Arctic
1.00% Papuan-Melanesian
6.32% African
0.00% EHG
5.58% CHG
0.14% Siberian
5.68% Anatolian-Neolithic
26.82% North-African
29.53% EEF
0.14% Denisova-Neandertal
1.27% Kalash
2.46% SHG
1.42% Paleoafrican
0.00% Eskimo
12.50% Natufian
1.00% Amerindian
0.00% EA
0.00% SEA
0.00% ASI


K33

39.30% Northafrican
20.73% Neareast
20.58% Southeuropean
7.95% Westeuropean
7.17% Sunsaharian
4.18% Westafrican


----------------------------
FINAL ADMIXTURE PROPORTIONS:
----------------------------

0.00% African_archaic
0.00% Altaic
0.00% Amerindian
0.00% Australian
0.00% Austroasiatic
0.00% Austronesian
0.00% Balkan
0.00% Baltic
0.00% British
0.00% Caucasian
0.00% Centralasian
0.00% Centraleuropean
0.00% Dravidian
0.00% Eastasian
0.07% Easteuropean
0.00% Finnougric
0.00% Indian
20.73% Neareast
39.30% Northafrican
0.00% Paleosiberian
0.00% Papuan
0.00% Polinesian
0.00% Samoedic
0.00% Scandinavian
0.00% Siberian
0.00% Sinotibetan
0.00% Southeastasian
20.58% Southeuropean
7.17% Sunsaharian
0.00% Turkic
4.18% Westafrican
0.00% Westasian
7.95% Westeuropean

Magnetic
03-24-2018, 12:09 AM
Yes, check out the sticky post in this forum. A number of the DIY calcs have oracle files too.

can you tell me which ones ? would be easier instead of me checking every file xD

therrien.joel
03-24-2018, 02:27 AM
can you tell me which ones ? would be easier instead of me checking every file xD

Sorry but I can't. That's exactly what I'd have to do... I don't recall which have them! I just know that there are some that do.