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Partizan
08-27-2014, 10:07 AM
Is it the Kavkaz(Turkish-Armenian-Georgian) subclade?

Like writes in wikipedia:

I-M438 (L68 {rs35547782}, M438/P215/S31 {rs17307294}) Low frequency in Armenia, Georgia and Turkey.[7]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_I-M438#Subclades

How can I learn more about my hg? Because 23andme gives too poor info.

sparkey
08-27-2014, 06:18 PM
I don't use 23andMe, but I believe that they call I2-P37.2 "I2a" and I2-L35 "I2b." So I suppose that just getting "I2" means that you are P37.2- L35-. All known I2 P37.2- L35- currently falls into either I2-L415 or I2-L596. The "Kavkaz subclade" as you put it is a STR cluster within I2-L596. Obviously 23andMe doesn't do STRs, so you can't know for sure that you are in that cluster, but it would be a good guess for someone who is I2 P37.2- L35- and from Turkey.

pyromatic
08-28-2014, 08:52 AM
I don't use 23andMe, but I believe that they call I2-P37.2 "I2a" and I2-L35 "I2b." So I suppose that just getting "I2" means that you are P37.2- L35-. All known I2 P37.2- L35- currently falls into either I2-L415 or I2-L596. The "Kavkaz subclade" as you put it is a STR cluster within I2-L596. Obviously 23andMe doesn't do STRs, so you can't know for sure that you are in that cluster, but it would be a good guess for someone who is I2 P37.2- L35- and from Turkey.

23andme lists the following,

I2 - M438, L68
I2a - P37.2
I2a1 - M26
I2a1a - M161
I2a2 - M423
I2a2a - M359, P41.2
I2a2b - L69.2
I2b - M436, P216, P217, P218
I2b1 = M223, P219-23
I2b1a - M284
I2b1b - exists, no defining SNPs reported
I2b1c - P78
I2b1d - P95

So, as sparkey stated, I2* at 23andme is really I2(xI2a1, xI2a2) in the present ISOGG nomenclature which is also most assuredly outdated, but I'm not current with the most recent I2 phylogeny.

sparkey
08-28-2014, 05:47 PM
23andme lists the following,

I2 - M438, L68
I2a - P37.2
I2a1 - M26
I2a1a - M161
I2a2 - M423
I2a2a - M359, P41.2
I2a2b - L69.2
I2b - M436, P216, P217, P218
I2b1 = M223, P219-23
I2b1a - M284
I2b1b - exists, no defining SNPs reported
I2b1c - P78
I2b1d - P95

So, as sparkey stated, I2* at 23andme is really I2(xI2a1, xI2a2) in the present ISOGG nomenclature which is also most assuredly outdated, but I'm not current with the most recent I2 phylogeny.

You're correct. Looks like they don't test L35 directly, but it's phyloequivalent to M436/P216/P217/P218, so my point stands.

abcd1234
11-30-2017, 11:24 AM
What? Is there a I2 turkish subclade? Very interesting.