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IrishNorse
09-05-2014, 05:37 PM
Does anyone know broad a scope YP609 covers under YP355?

PeterSj
09-16-2014, 08:52 AM
As of now the R1a Project has only identified three members of the YP618 branch. You may have seen the R1a-Z284 tree at http://eng.molgen.org/download/file.php?id=926&mode=view.

One of those three is my grandmother's father's Y lineage, traced back to the 16th century at the east coast of Mid-Sweden. The other two are traced back to the 17th century at the west coast of southern Sweden and to the 18th century in Mid-Norway. The distribution indicates a spread during, or short before, the Viking age.

From the BigY matches we now see a fourth member of the YP618 group. And I think that might be you, is that so? In that case - Welcome to our small "YP618 family"! :-)

Where do your Y-line originate? In Scandinavia or in the Brittish Isles?

IrishNorse
09-16-2014, 03:20 PM
Well my paper trail leads to Ireland, but the DNA seems to be either NW England or western Wales. I'm YP355. I just noticed that YP 609 was linked with YP618 and was wondering if the latter had some overlap with YP355 or only with YP609.

PeterSj
09-18-2014, 06:32 PM
Both YP609 and YP618 are downstream YP355. And they are both present in the three members i mentioned above. There are still too few tested people to know if YP609 is upstream of YP618 or the other way around. Are you the Orr that have tested the BigY? In that case this indicates that all Orr's in the Orr family project are R1a-YP618.

IrishNorse
09-19-2014, 04:48 AM
Hi Peter,

No I am a Smith= 309012 classified as 8.YP355 B2A in the R1a1a family tree group.

No one has tested for the Big Y yet in my group. YP609 while close doesn't seem to cover my subcluster, but I'm unsure of the YP619 SNP

OPrytz
12-17-2014, 10:57 PM
Hello!

I´m new here. I have tested positive for YP355 and YP618. My earliest known ancestor came from Germany to Norway before 1620. Since then all my forefathers have lived here in Norway. I have checked the haplogroup of a distant cousin and it seems to be correct. We share the son of this ancestor as a common ancestor (we descend from 2 brothers who were grandchildren of the earliest known).

I was a bit surprised that I´m of Nordic descend, not German or East European. Most of my FTDNA and Genebase matches (I tested 67 STR by both) are of Norwegian, Swedish or English (British Isles) descend, but none close (a lot with 25 markers with GD 0, but no one at 37 or 67). So maybe my forefathers came to the Isles with the Vikings and later emigrated to Germany and then back to Norway? My earliest known was a skilled miner.

I thought you might be interested :)

IrishNorse
12-21-2014, 11:10 PM
I would suggest joining the R1a group at Family Tree DNA. There are several individuals who have the YP618 SNP

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/R1a/

PretzelBoy
10-09-2015, 12:55 PM
I am kit number 219398 in the Orr yDNA project. I have done individual SNPs and tested positive to YP355. I am debating having the Big Y test done while it is on sale but it is still very expensive. I am trying to understand what it will really provide me. By the way myself and kit # 170779 in the Orr yDNA project have a most recent Orr common ancestor at nine generations. It looks like he has done a SNP pack of Big Y. Can anyone give me a convincing reason to upgrade to Big Y.

ocleirigh
10-11-2015, 03:22 PM
Both YP609 and YP618 are downstream YP355. And they are both present in the three members i mentioned above. There are still too few tested people to know if YP609 is upstream of YP618 or the other way around. Are you the Orr that have tested the BigY? In that case this indicates that all Orr's in the Orr family project are R1a-YP618.


Actually we have advanced knowledge of YP355 far more than this, and it is very clear that YP618 is downstream of YP609. There are now 17 Big Y test results in YP618+, all also YP609+, and a further 8 which are YP609+ but YP618-. A detailed tree of YP355 showing all branches so far revealed through Big Y testing can be seen in this thread in this list : http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?3922-New-developments-in-L448-gt-YP355/page4, with the most recent posted tree in post #31.

There are also 5 Big Y results for YP1120, which is a sibling to YP609, plus just one so far that is YP355* (negative for all known subclades.) So the extent of YP609 below YP355 is 25/31 Big Y results, or about 80% so far.

ocleirigh
10-11-2015, 03:35 PM
I am kit number 219398 in the Orr yDNA project. I have done individual SNPs and tested positive to YP355. I am debating having the Big Y test done while it is on sale but it is still very expensive. I am trying to understand what it will really provide me. By the way myself and kit # 170779 in the Orr yDNA project have a most recent Orr common ancestor at nine generations. It looks like he has done a SNP pack of Big Y. Can anyone give me a convincing reason to upgrade to Big Y.


We have now advanced knowledge of YP355 far more than in the above thread: There are now 17 Big Y test results in YP618+, all also YP609+, and a further 8 which are YP609+ but YP618-. A detailed tree of YP355 showing all branches so far revealed through Big Y testing can be seen in this thread in this list : http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?3922-New-developments-in-L448-gt-YP355/page4 , with the most recent posted tree in post #31.

There are also 5 Big Y results for YP1120, which is a sibling to YP609, plus just one so far that is YP355* (negative for all known subclades.) So the extent of YP609 below YP355 is 25/31 Big Y results, or about 80% so far.

Kit 170779 has actually done the Big Y test, which can be seen on my tree as a singleton branch of YP609. If you are related to him 9 generations back, then I would think the Big Y test will be very informative to both of you, and all Orrs.

Rhayes
11-20-2015, 03:52 AM
I am YP609+ and YP1100+, further testing through YSEQ for YP4458 still in processing.
Most distant confirmed ancestor Terence Hayes, 1824 Lattin, Tipperary, Ireland, reporting father also born Ireland per census. Hoping this forum will help me learn how my line landed in Ireland.

ocleirigh
11-20-2015, 12:38 PM
I am YP609+ and YP1100+, further testing through YSEQ for YP4458 still in processing.
Most distant confirmed ancestor Terence Hayes, 1824 Lattin, Tipperary, Ireland, reporting father also born Ireland per census. Hoping this forum will help me learn how my line landed in Ireland.

Hi Rhayes
This is very interesting - you are the first YP1100 with Isles ancestry. All others so far are Swedes and Finns, so this had looked like a branch that had travelled westwards. We're looking forward to your YSEQ result. Have you seen the YP355 blog site https://yp355.wordpress.com/ ?

Rhayes
11-20-2015, 05:32 PM
Yes, I found this website and the new YP355 blog site last night. Very happy to be here and anxious for terminal results from YSEQ. Will post as soon as results come in.
I had theory as to why my R1a1 Z284 ancestors showed up in Ireland but now not so sure.
Robert

Rhayes
11-27-2015, 04:59 PM
Confirmed terminal SNP YP1100* by YSEQ.

ÁNLEIFR
07-21-2016, 02:11 PM
Hi all, my group has received our BIG Y results and we are YP4252, down from YP609. I'm not sure what all that means yet but if anyone has any knowledge that'd be great.

IrishNorse
07-22-2016, 02:44 AM
https://yp355.wordpress.com/yp355-tree-shared-snps/ I suggest you join the YP355 group

ocleirigh
09-29-2016, 08:38 AM
Hi Anleifr
There's still some work to dig into your results, and especially YFull analysis of your raw results BAM file is a must, and also seeing you added to the YFull tree at https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-YP4252/ . You will be in the new clade at YP5598 that you can see on the YFull tree here. YP4252 is a large clade just under YP355>YP609 that was discovered only this year, and includes people of Norwegian and Isles origins so far. Among the Isles family groups in this subclade can be found Cooley, Cochrane and, of course, Tucker.

10-23-2017, 07:29 AM
Hi all,
So, the story is this, with my Ftdna 67 Markers, I have 10 matches to "Eustace" family all earliest ancestor from Ireland, I am awaiting Big Y results btw, but in the meantime trying to look into my R-Z283 to try to understand it better.
I joined the irelandydna project on ftdna, to see if there were any matches, none on 67, none on 37, none on 25, but on 12, there is a McDonald with a terminal haplogroup of "YP355",
The strange thing livingDNA, has already got me negative for R-Z284, and so does ftdna SNP "Backbone pack for R1a, so how is it possible to have a match as 12 to "YP355" ?

Sorry if this is a basic question, but im fairly new to this SNP, and STR stuff.

MacUalraig
10-23-2017, 08:24 AM
Hi all,
So, the story is this, with my Ftdna 67 Markers, I have 10 matches to "Eustace" family all earliest ancestor from Ireland, I am awaiting Big Y results btw, but in the meantime trying to look into my R-Z283 to try to understand it better.
I joined the irelandydna project on ftdna, to see if there were any matches, none on 67, none on 37, none on 25, but on 12, there is a McDonald with a terminal haplogroup of "YP355",
The strange thing livingDNA, has already got me negative for R-Z284, and so does ftdna SNP "Backbone pack for R1a, so how is it possible to have a match as 12 to "YP355" ?

Sorry if this is a basic question, but im fairly new to this SNP, and STR stuff.

The same STR haplotype can occur across different (SNP) haplogroups. That is why SNPs are the accurate guide to relatedness and STRs aren't. The phenomenon is called 'convergence'.

https://isogg.org/wiki/Convergence

MacUalraig
10-23-2017, 09:06 AM
The same STR haplotype can occur across different (SNP) haplogroups. That is why SNPs are the accurate guide to relatedness and STRs aren't. The phenomenon is called 'convergence'.

https://isogg.org/wiki/Convergence

The wiki article understates the problem. To take just one M222 example I analysed the other day, this person had a false positive (convergence) score of 98% at 67 STR markers. They aren't always that bad even in M222 though, it seems to vary (wildly).