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bonair
09-06-2014, 01:18 PM
Just received my results from 23andMe. I am a beginner to this, and would therefore need help to interpret my first results.
Mother: Swedish
Father: Unknown (very grateful if anyone can identify his exact origin!)

MATERNAL LINE: T2B
PATERNAL LINE: E1B1B1B2A

Standard:
http://forumbilder.se/DE0BN/23andme.jpg (http://forumbilder.se/DE0BN/23andme)

Speculative:
http://forumbilder.se/DE0BN/speculative.jpg (http://forumbilder.se/DE0BN/speculative)

Thanks!

NK19191
09-06-2014, 01:28 PM
I think Your Dad seems to be a North African ( Algerian may be).


edit. But you really should upload your raw data at Gedmatch.com; in addition, you should send your raw data to Dr. McDonald. You should also check your DNA relatives and your "countries of ancestry tools" for more clues.

zulkif
09-06-2014, 01:41 PM
He must be from North Africa / Middle East with a smaller portion of European blood.

bonair
09-06-2014, 01:42 PM
But 0,3% Middle Eastern doesn't indicate for that? And only maximim 35% is North African. Where is the rest?

bonair
09-06-2014, 01:44 PM
I think Your Dad seems to be a North African ( Algerian may be).


edit. But you really should upload your raw data at Gedmatch.com; in addition, you should send your raw data to Dr. McDonald. You should also check your DNA relatives and your "countries of ancestry tools" for more clues.

Okej, but what is the rest %? Only maximum 35% is North African.

Countries of ancestral tools is:
Sweden, Norway, England, Switzerland, Italy, Moldavia, Belarus

NK19191
09-06-2014, 02:01 PM
Okej, but what is the rest %? Only maximum 35% is North African.

Countries of ancestral tools is:
Sweden, Norway, England, Switzerland, Italy, Moldavia, Belarus


I don't think your Ancestry composition is unusual for Algerians ( Kabyle) and Europeans mixes. But please check with others who know more than I do.

zulkif
09-06-2014, 02:12 PM
Okej, but what is the rest %? Only maximum 35% is North African.

35% is yours and if your mother supposedly has 0% North African it means your father has 70% North African and nearly 30% European blood. So it is likely that he has some grandparent(s) from South European who intermarried with North African. That grandparent could have come for example during French occupation or Ottoman rule. This came to my mind but there are many other possibilities.

I am not sure if your paternal line E1B1B1B2A is from the Berber branch which is typical for Morocco, Algeria and Tunis. If I am not wrong E1B1B1B2A means M123 which has its strongest presence in Ethiopia and around Palestine. On the other hand, there is no solid indication that he might come from the Levant. I would say he may pass for Moroccan, Algerian, Tunisian and less likely Libyan or Egyptian.

Farroukh
09-06-2014, 02:42 PM
Father: Unknown (very grateful if anyone can identify his exact origin!)
Order Y-DNA67 at FTDNA. That is the only way to find out the ancestral lineage of your father.
What is E1b1b1b2a? E-M34 or E-M81?

Based on your autosomal results it seems he was E-M81. Without Y-STR haplotype I can not answer you who was him.
He seems to be:
- Berber or
- Morisco or
- Guanchee-ancestral Spaniard or
- Moroccan Jew
???

Y-DNA67 is needed.

bonair
09-06-2014, 02:43 PM
35% is yours and if your mother supposedly has 0% North African it means your father has 70% North African and nearly 30% European blood. So it is likely that he has some grandparent(s) from South European who intermarried with North African. That grandparent could have come for example during French occupation or Ottoman rule. This came to my mind but there are many other possibilities.

I am not sure if your paternal line E1B1B1B2A is from the Berber branch which is typical for Morocco, Algeria and Tunis. If I am not wrong E1B1B1B2A means M123 which has its strongest presence in Ethiopia and around Palestine. On the other hand, there is no solid indication that he might be from the Levant. I would say he may pass for any North European or Levantine like Moroccan, Algerian, Tunisian, Libyan, Egyptian, Palestinian, Jordanian, Syrian, Lebanese. More accent I would put on Tunis, Algeria, Morocco and probably also Libya and Egypt.

My Haplogroup E1b1b1b2a is M165, subgroup of M81, which is a berber marker. So my grandfather is probably of Berber origin. Middle east i scored only 0,3%. And sour european only 2%. So can my fathers grandparent be another european land`? I had nothing on France, which had many lived in Algeria Before. But its a mysterious..

I Pass as a pigmented central european, or very well in south europe. France/Spain. I Have no SSA or arabid mixture visible.

bonair
09-06-2014, 02:47 PM
Order Y-DNA67 at FTDNA. That is the only way to find out the ancestral lineage of your father.
What is E1b1b1b2a? E-M34 or E-M81?

Based on your autosomal results it seems he was E-M81. Without Y-STR haplotype I can not answer you who was him.
He seems to be:
- Berber or
- Morisco or
- Guanchee-ancestral Spaniard or
- Moroccan Jew
???

Y-DNA67 is needed.
Yes, E1b1b1b2a is a subgroup of the bigger M81 Group.
Whats the exactly different of the 67 test you recommended? Do you have a print screen on what they well? How long take it for getting an answer?
Thanks!

Farroukh
09-06-2014, 02:57 PM
67 Y-STR markers will help you to find close male line relatives. You will see the matchlist in your profile.

Erik
09-06-2014, 03:16 PM
He's probably Moroccan, Algerian or Tunisian.

zulkif
09-06-2014, 03:31 PM
Yes, E1b1b1b2a is a subgroup of the bigger M81 Group.
Whats the exactly different of the 67 test you recommended? Do you have a print screen on what they well? How long take it for getting an answer?

As it is a subgroup of the bigger M81 then we can safely predict that your paternal grandfather was most likely of Berber origin. Some of them have married European women during past generations. Not only during French occupation but since Roman times and even before that. As a matter of fact a number of Moroccan, Algerian and Tunisian women look quite South European and genetically many belong to European mtDNA haplogroups... So that your father has about 25-30% European blood.

As for finding your paternal relatives - sure FamilyTreeDNA is the best solution. If money is not an issue go straight to Y DNA 67 markers, otherwise you may first order 37 markers. If you join a project you get a $20 discount, so 37 markers for $149 is a good start. Later on you can upgrade very easily. Obviously you should join a project and I would recommend the maghreb (https://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=maghreb). It takes one week to receive the kit and another week to send it back, then usually for 3-4 weeks you get your results on their website.