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Dimanto
09-12-2014, 05:30 PM
I think there's a lack of Italian samples.
The other one was way better for me though.


MDLP K23b Oracle results:

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Italian_Tuscan ( ) 8.55
2 Italian_Piedmont ( ) 9.3
3 Italian_Abruzzo ( ) 10.55
4 Sicilian_Trapani ( ) 10.74
5 Austrian ( ) 11.07
6 South_German ( ) 11.33
7 Italian_Bergamo ( ) 12.31
8 Slovenian ( ) 12.53
9 Montenegrian ( ) 12.65
10 Kosovar ( ) 12.72
11 Hungarian ( ) 12.72
12 Sicilian_Agrigento ( ) 12.73
13 Maltese ( ) 12.98
14 Hungarian_Budapest ( ) 13.22
15 Sicilian_West ( ) 13.28
16 Bulgarian ( ) 13.74
17 Serb_BH ( ) 14.3
18 Croat ( ) 14.46
19 Macedonian ( ) 14.62
20 Serb_Serbia ( ) 14.68

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 53.3% Welsh ( ) + 46.7% Greek_Smyrna ( ) @ 1.13
2 51.9% Greek_Smyrna ( ) + 48.1% British ( ) @ 1.46
3 54.8% English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) + 45.2% Greek_Smyrna ( ) @ 1.49
4 69.1% French ( ) + 30.9% Armenian ( ) @ 1.54
5 69.4% French ( ) + 30.6% Assyrian_Arzni ( ) @ 1.59
6 53.4% CEU ( ) + 46.6% Greek_Smyrna ( ) @ 1.62
7 56.4% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 43.6% Greek_Smyrna ( ) @ 1.62
8 69.7% French ( ) + 30.3% Armenian_Yerevan ( ) @ 1.63
9 51.4% Greek_Smyrna ( ) + 48.6% Orcadian ( ) @ 1.99
10 56% Welsh ( ) + 44% Greek_Islands ( ) @ 2.1
11 58.8% French ( ) + 41.2% Azov_Greek ( ) @ 2.15
12 50% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) + 50% Greek_Smyrna ( ) @ 2.26
13 52.6% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) + 47.4% Greek_Islands ( ) @ 2.32
14 51.3% Orcadian ( ) + 48.7% Greek_Islands ( ) @ 2.4
15 56.1% CEU ( ) + 43.9% Greek_Islands ( ) @ 2.46
16 57.4% English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) + 42.6% Greek_Islands ( ) @ 2.5
17 55.8% Welsh ( ) + 44.2% Cretan ( ) @ 2.5
18 50.8% British ( ) + 49.2% Greek_Islands ( ) @ 2.51
19 55.4% North_European ( ) + 44.6% Greek_Smyrna ( ) @ 2.55
20 52.1% Spaniard ( ) + 47.9% Turk_Istanbul ( ) @ 2.56


Me: MDLP K23b 4-ancestors oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 30.00
2 European_Early_Farmers 27.69
3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 23.28
4 South_Central_Asian 7.90
5 Near_East 5.82
6 Ancestral_Altaic 2.31
7 North_African 1.57


Using 1 population approximation:
1 Kosovar @ 8.474075
2 Italian_Tuscan @ 9.915180
3 Italian_Piedmont @ 10.179107
4 Greek_Thessaly @ 11.085876
5 Greek_Thessaloniki @ 11.739927
6 Italian_Bergamo @ 12.032122
7 Albanian_Tirana @ 12.149292
8 Bulgarian @ 12.777699
9 Italian_Abruzzo @ 13.496569
10 Central_Greek @ 13.594749
11 Greek_Peloponnesos @ 14.111105
12 Macedonian @ 14.489508
13 Montenegrian @ 15.177865
14 Romanian @ 15.236477
15 Sicilian_Trapani @ 15.273957
16 French @ 15.774516
17 Ashkenazi_Jew @ 15.871394
18 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain @ 16.019028
19 Sicilian_Siracusa @ 16.056976
20 Gagauz @ 16.139877

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% British +50% Greek_Smyrna @ 1.988042 Smyrna ??? That place doesn't even exist anymore after the Turks burned down the place forcing the Greeks to flee to other parts of Greece.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Azov_Greek +25% Basque_Spanish +25% Slovak @ 1.733847


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Armenian + Austrian + Macedonian + Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS @ 0.819579
2 Armenian_Yerevan + Italian_Piedmont + Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS + Ukrainian @ 0.850157
3 Assyrian_Arzni + Basque_French + Kosovar + Ukrainian @ 0.930776
4 Armenian_Yerevan + Austrian + Macedonian + Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS @ 0.950583
5 Armenian_Yerevan + Basque_French + Greek_Thessaloniki + Sorb @ 0.954268
6 Armenian + Italian_Tuscan + Pole_Mazowia + Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS @ 0.957892
7 Armenian_Yerevan + Basque_French + Greek_Thessaly + Pole_Mazowia @ 0.958551
8 Armenian + Austrian + Montenegrian + Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS @ 0.968405
9 Armenian_Yerevan + Basque_French + Greek_Thessaloniki + Pole_South_East @ 0.973539
10 Armenian_Yerevan + Italian_Tuscan + Pole_South_East + Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS @ 0.979377
11 Armenian + Italian_Piedmont + Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS + Ukrainian @ 0.994797
12 Armenian_Yerevan + Basque_French + Kosovar + Ukrainian @ 1.003930
13 Assyrian_Arzni + Basque_French + Greek_Thessaloniki + Pole_South_East @ 1.004084
14 Armenian_Yerevan + German + Kosovar + Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS @ 1.008064
15 Assyrian_Arzni + English_Kent_GBR + French_South + Serb_Serbia @ 1.009994
16 Armenian_Yerevan + Basque_Spanish + Greek_Thessaloniki + Sorb @ 1.034311
17 Armenian_Yerevan + Basque_Spanish + Greek_Thessaloniki + Pole_South_East @ 1.037897
18 Armenian + Basque_Spanish + Gagauz + German @ 1.044561
19 Armenian_Yerevan + Basque_Spanish + Gagauz + German @ 1.057966
20 Armenian_Yerevan + Italian_Piedmont + Pole_Mazowia + Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS @ 1.061719

Dimanto
09-12-2014, 05:53 PM
Palermitan/German-Dutch

MDLP K23b Oracle results:


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 27.7
2 European_Early_Farmers 25.23
3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 24.81
4 South_Central_Asian 7.25
5 Near_East 5.32
6 North_African 4.32
7 Ancestral_Altaic 3.03
8 Amerindian 0.73
9 Australoid 0.65
10 South_East_Asian 0.58
11 Archaic_African 0.28
12 Tungus-Altaic 0.1
13 Archaic_Human 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Austrian ( ) 7.55
2 South_German ( ) 7.98
3 Hungarian ( ) 10.1
4 Slovenian ( ) 10.18
5 Hungarian_Budapest ( ) 10.94
6 North_German ( ) 11.06
7 Dutch ( ) 11.1
8 Belgian ( ) 12.16
9 German_East ( ) 12.37
10 Czech ( ) 12.64
11 Italian_Tuscan ( ) 12.8
12 Italian_Piedmont ( ) 13.01
13 German ( ) 13.25
14 English ( ) 13.46
15 Montenegrian ( ) 13.61
16 Sicilian_Trapani ( ) 13.82
17 Slovak ( ) 14.14
18 Serb_BH ( ) 14.42
19 Italian_Bergamo ( ) 14.43
20 Croat ( ) 14.47

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 55.2% Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) + 44.8% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) @ 1.84
2 63% Dutch ( ) + 37% French_Jew ( ) @ 1.85
3 61.6% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 38.4% Syrian_Jew ( ) @ 1.89
4 75.7% English ( ) + 24.3% Christian_Arabs_Israel ( ) @ 1.99
5 71.4% English ( ) + 28.6% Cypriot ( ) @ 2.04
6 52% French_Jew ( ) + 48% Icelandic ( ) @ 2.07
7 58.3% English ( ) + 41.7% French_Jew ( ) @ 2.07
8 67.8% North_European ( ) + 32.2% Cypriot ( ) @ 2.09
9 63.1% Dutch ( ) + 36.9% Sephardic_Jew ( ) @ 2.1
10 66.7% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) + 33.3% Christian_Arabs_Israel ( ) @ 2.1
11 67.9% Belgian ( ) + 32.1% Syrian_Jew ( ) @ 2.11
12 55.8% English ( ) + 44.2% Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) @ 2.13
13 51.5% French_Jew ( ) + 48.5% Norwegian_Bergen ( ) @ 2.15
14 70% CEU ( ) + 30% Christian_Arabs_Israel ( ) @ 2.16
15 56.8% Dutch ( ) + 43.2% Maltese ( ) @ 2.18
16 59.6% Dutch ( ) + 40.4% Sicilian_West ( ) @ 2.21
17 59.9% English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) + 40.1% Syrian_Jew ( ) @ 2.22
18 58.4% English ( ) + 41.6% Sephardic_Jew ( ) @ 2.25
19 56.8% Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) + 43.2% Orcadian ( ) @ 2.26
20 72.5% North_European ( ) + 27.5% Christian_Arabs_Israel ( ) @ 2.29

Dimanto
09-12-2014, 06:29 PM
Sicilian (Valledolmo)


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 34.14
2 European_Early_Farmers 23.98
3 Near_East 11.55
4 European_Hunters_Gatherers 11.05
5 South_Central_Asian 8.02
6 North_African 6.08
7 Ancestral_Altaic 2.33
8 Archaic_African 0.89
9 Australoid 0.76
10 Tungus-Altaic 0.7
11 Subsaharian 0.24
12 Amerindian 0.22
13 Archaic_Human 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Maltese ( ) 5.57
2 Sicilian_West ( ) 5.77
3 Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) 6.29
4 Sephardic_Jew ( ) 7.03
5 Sicilian_Trapani ( ) 7.13
6 Sicilian_Siracusa ( ) 7.18
7 French_Jew ( ) 7.3
8 Sicilian_Agrigento ( ) 8.16
9 Turk_Jew ( ) 8.2
10 Moroccan_Jew ( ) 8.42
11 Italian_Abruzzo ( ) 8.56
12 Italian_Jew ( ) 8.8
13 Sicilian_East ( ) 9.35
14 Kosovar ( ) 9.56
15 Bulgarian ( ) 9.95
16 Montenegrian ( ) 10.68
17 Macedonian ( ) 10.71
18 Greek_Thessaloniki ( ) 10.81
19 Greek_Thessaly ( ) 11.17
20 Italian_Tuscan ( ) 11.27

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 66.3% Syrian_Jew ( ) + 33.7% Spanish_Baleares_IBS ( ) @ 1.97
2 51.1% Italian_Bergamo ( ) + 48.9% Lebanese ( ) @ 2.29
3 77.7% Sicilian_Trapani ( ) + 22.3% Iraki ( ) @ 2.33
4 57.5% Lebanese_Druze ( ) + 42.5% Spanish_Galicia_IBS ( ) @ 2.41
5 56.9% Lebanese_Druze ( ) + 43.1% Spanish_Extremadura_IBS ( ) @ 2.44
6 67.6% Syrian_Jew ( ) + 32.4% French ( ) @ 2.46
7 70.7% Syrian_Jew ( ) + 29.3% Spaniard ( ) @ 2.46
8 92.8% Sicilian_West ( ) + 7.2% Makrani ( ) @ 2.47
9 93.6% Sicilian_West ( ) + 6.4% Brahui ( ) @ 2.47
10 72.2% Syrian_Jew ( ) + 27.8% Spanish_Cataluna_IBS ( ) @ 2.48
11 58.4% Syrian_Jew ( ) + 41.6% Italian_Bergamo ( ) @ 2.5
12 94.2% Sicilian_West ( ) + 5.8% Kalash ( ) @ 2.52
13 58.1% Lebanese_Druze ( ) + 41.9% Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS ( ) @ 2.54
14 55.3% Lebanese_Druze ( ) + 44.7% Spaniard ( ) @ 2.55
15 57.1% Lebanese_Druze ( ) + 42.9% Spanish_Cataluna_IBS ( ) @ 2.57
16 93.2% Sicilian_West ( ) + 6.8% Balochi ( ) @ 2.6
17 53.3% Lebanese_Druze ( ) + 46.7% Portugese ( ) @ 2.6
18 52% Italian_Bergamo ( ) + 48% Lebanese_Muslim ( ) @ 2.62
19 56.5% Lebanese_Muslim ( ) + 43.5% Spanish_Baleares_IBS ( ) @ 2.64
20 89.6% Sicilian_West ( ) + 10.4% Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) @ 2.7

Dimanto
09-12-2014, 06:54 PM
Maltese/Scottish

k23b:


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 29.9
2 European_Early_Farmers 24.73
3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 24.34
4 Near_East 5.9
5 South_Central_Asian 5.33
6 North_African 4.4
7 Ancestral_Altaic 2.85
8 East_Siberian 1.19
9 Paleo_Siberian 0.67
10 African_Pygmy 0.25
11 Khoisan 0.18
12 South_Indian 0.15
13 Archaic_Human 0.11

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Austrian ( ) 8.64
2 Slovenian ( ) 9.51
3 Hungarian ( ) 9.6
4 Hungarian_Budapest ( ) 10.05
5 Montenegrian ( ) 10.1
6 Sicilian_Trapani ( ) 10.33
7 Italian_Tuscan ( ) 10.44
8 Maltese ( ) 10.91
9 South_German ( ) 11.1
10 Italian_Piedmont ( ) 11.25
11 Serb_BH ( ) 11.42
12 Croat ( ) 11.47
13 Italian_Abruzzo ( ) 11.64
14 Bulgarian ( ) 11.64
15 Czech ( ) 12.11
16 Bosnian ( ) 12.15
17 Serb_Serbia ( ) 12.16
18 Macedonian ( ) 12.41
19 Sicilian_West ( ) 12.48
20 Sicilian_Agrigento ( ) 12.53

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 56.9% Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) + 43.1% English ( ) @ 1.38
2 60.1% Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) + 39.9% North_European ( ) @ 1.48
3 51.3% Sicilian_Siracusa ( ) + 48.7% Dutch ( ) @ 1.5
4 54% Sicilian_West ( ) + 46% Dutch ( ) @ 1.63
5 53.4% Sicilian_West ( ) + 46.6% North_German ( ) @ 1.65
6 54.3% Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) + 45.7% Belgian ( ) @ 1.66
7 56.6% Romanian_Jew ( ) + 43.4% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) @ 1.66
8 60.9% Sicilian_West ( ) + 39.1% Swede ( ) @ 1.67
9 62.5% Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) + 37.5% CEU ( ) @ 1.7
10 65.5% Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) + 34.5% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) @ 1.71
11 50.8% Dutch ( ) + 49.2% French_Jew ( ) @ 1.72
12 52.5% English ( ) + 47.5% Romanian_Jew ( ) @ 1.75
13 50.8% Romanian_Jew ( ) + 49.2% North_European ( ) @ 1.77
14 64.6% Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) + 35.4% Norwegian_Bergen ( ) @ 1.78
15 57.9% South_German ( ) + 42.1% French_Jew ( ) @ 1.81
16 54.1% South_German ( ) + 45.9% Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) @ 1.81
17 57.9% Romanian_Jew ( ) + 42.1% Orcadian ( ) @ 1.83
18 66.7% Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) + 33.3% Orcadian ( ) @ 1.83
19 51.3% Italian_South ( ) + 48.7% Icelandic ( ) @ 1.87
20 65.1% Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) + 34.9% Icelandic ( ) @ 1.9

Hanna
09-12-2014, 07:05 PM
MDLP K23

Me

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 45.98
2 South_Central_Asian 18.16
3 European_Early_Farmers 11.37
4 Near_East 9.52
5 European_Hunters_Gatherers 3.14
6 Ancestral_Altaic 2.82
7 Tungus-Altaic 2.81
8 East_Siberian 2.2
9 North_African 0.77
10 Melano_Polynesian 0.6
11 South_East_Asian 0.58
12 Subsaharian 0.51
13 Arctic 0.41
14 Amerindian 0.32
15 Archaic_African 0.3
16 Australoid 0.29
17 South_Indian 0.13
18 Khoisan 0.1

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turk_Kayseri ( ) 5.81
2 Turk ( ) 7.41
3 Georgian_Jew ( ) 8.2
4 Azov_Greek ( ) 9.24
5 Turk_Istanbul ( ) 9.28
6 Cirkassian ( ) 9.5
7 Jew_Tat ( ) 9.58
8 Crimean_Tatar_Coast ( ) 10.57
9 Uzbekistani_Jew ( ) 11
10 Turk_Adana ( ) 11.62
11 Kumyk ( ) 11.62
12 Armenian ( ) 11.69
13 Iraqi_Jew ( ) 12.13
14 Uzbek_Tashkent ( ) 12.46
15 Iranian_Jew ( ) 12.49
16 Armenian_Yerevan ( ) 12.64
17 Kurd_Jew ( ) 12.7
18 Assyrian_Arzni ( ) 12.72
19 Ossetian_Russian ( ) 12.84
20 Kabardin ( ) 13.07

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 85.1% Turk_Kayseri ( ) + 14.9% Georgian ( ) @ 2.74
2 87.3% Turk_Kayseri ( ) + 12.7% Georgian_Imereti ( ) @ 2.75
3 81% Turk_Kayseri ( ) + 19% Kakheti ( ) @ 2.78
4 86.2% Turk_Kayseri ( ) + 13.8% Georgian_Megrelia ( ) @ 2.79
5 85% Turk_Kayseri ( ) + 15% Abkhasian ( ) @ 2.86
6 86.5% Turk_Kayseri ( ) + 13.5% Georgian_Svan ( ) @ 2.86
7 88.4% Turk_Kayseri ( ) + 11.6% Georgian_Laz ( ) @ 2.95
8 87.5% Turk_Kayseri ( ) + 12.5% Georgian_Tbilisi ( ) @ 2.95
9 85.8% Turk_Kayseri ( ) + 14.2% Adjara ( ) @ 3.03
10 83.2% Turk_Kayseri ( ) + 16.8% Turk_Trabzon ( ) @ 3.15
11 69.8% Turk_Kayseri ( ) + 30.2% Armenian ( ) @ 3.19
12 72% Turk_Kayseri ( ) + 28% Armenian_Yerevan ( ) @ 3.37
13 91.9% Turk_Kayseri ( ) + 8.1% 1_Gokhem5 ( ) @ 3.72
14 80% Turk_Kayseri ( ) + 20% Ossetian ( ) @ 3.75
15 63.4% Turk ( ) + 36.6% Armenian ( ) @ 3.77
16 82.2% Armenian_Yerevan ( ) + 17.8% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) @ 3.86
17 83.5% Armenian ( ) + 16.5% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) @ 3.9
18 82.7% Armenian_Yerevan ( ) + 17.3% Orcadian ( ) @ 3.9
19 77.5% Turk_Kayseri ( ) + 22.5% Adygei ( ) @ 3.91
20 81.7% Armenian_Yerevan ( ) + 18.3% Welsh ( ) @ 3.94


My aunt

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 47.43
2 South_Central_Asian 21.87
3 Near_East 10.59
4 European_Early_Farmers 9.56
5 North_African 3.03
6 Ancestral_Altaic 2.06
7 European_Hunters_Gatherers 1.61
8 Melano_Polynesian 1.52
9 East_Siberian 1.33
10 Amerindian 0.64
11 Tungus-Altaic 0.21
12 South_East_Asian 0.15

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Jew_Tat ( ) 7.87
2 Georgian_Jew ( ) 8.79
3 Armenian ( ) 9.14
4 Armenian_Yerevan ( ) 9.75
5 Assyrian_Arzni ( ) 9.81
6 Turk_Kayseri ( ) 9.86
7 Uzbekistani_Jew ( ) 9.96
8 Kumyk ( ) 10.87
9 Cirkassian ( ) 11.16
10 Iranian_Jew ( ) 11.22
11 Turk ( ) 11.45
12 Kurd_Jew ( ) 11.68
13 Iraqi_Jew ( ) 12.05
14 Kabardin ( ) 12.29
15 Uzbek_Tashkent ( ) 12.34
16 Baku_WGA ( ) 13.28
17 Chechen ( ) 13.35
18 Azeri_Dagestan ( ) 13.36
19 Azov_Greek ( ) 13.77
20 Turk_Istanbul ( ) 13.77

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 91.7% Armenian ( ) + 8.3% Kalash ( ) @ 3.82
2 64.2% Armenian ( ) + 35.8% Kurd ( ) @ 3.95
3 91% Armenian ( ) + 9% Brahui ( ) @ 3.98
4 83.3% Armenian ( ) + 16.7% Tajik_Yagnobi ( ) @ 4.09
5 90% Armenian ( ) + 10% Makrani ( ) @ 4.1
6 62.3% Armenian ( ) + 37.7% Azeri ( ) @ 4.13
7 86.1% Armenian ( ) + 13.9% Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) @ 4.14
8 90.5% Armenian ( ) + 9.5% Balochi ( ) @ 4.17
9 86.8% Armenian ( ) + 13.2% Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) @ 4.28
10 60.3% Kurd ( ) + 39.7% Turk_Trabzon ( ) @ 4.3
11 75.6% Armenian ( ) + 24.4% Iranian ( ) @ 4.38
12 77.1% Kurd ( ) + 22.9% 1_Gokhem5 ( ) @ 4.44
13 87.7% Armenian ( ) + 12.3% Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim ( ) @ 4.49
14 57.4% Turk_Adana ( ) + 42.6% Kakheti ( ) @ 4.53
15 87.6% Armenian ( ) + 12.4% Pashtun_Afghani ( ) @ 4.63
16 65.9% Turk_Adana ( ) + 34.1% Georgian ( ) @ 4.67
17 86.7% Armenian ( ) + 13.3% Afghan_Pushtun ( ) @ 4.68
18 87.2% Armenian ( ) + 12.8% Uzbek_Afghan ( ) @ 4.69
19 86.8% Armenian ( ) + 13.2% Tajik_Afghan ( ) @ 4.8
20 61% Armenian_Yerevan ( ) + 39% Azeri ( ) @ 4.84

An Armenian:


# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 44.96
2 South_Central_Asian 16.97
3 European_Early_Farmers 15.62
4 Near_East 14.17
5 North_African 4.49
6 Tungus-Altaic 1.39
7 Ancestral_Altaic 1.38
8 Australoid 0.99
9 Amerindian 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turk_Kayseri ( ) 7.58
2 Georgian_Jew ( ) 8.69
3 Azov_Greek ( ) 9.15
4 Turk ( ) 9.55
5 Cypriot ( ) 10.04
6 Iraqi_Jew ( ) 10.32
7 Turk_Istanbul ( ) 10.8
8 Turk_Adana ( ) 10.87
9 Jew_Tat ( ) 11
10 Lebanese_Druze ( ) 11.01
11 Greek_Smyrna ( ) 11.19
12 Cretan ( ) 11.59
13 Lebanese_Muslim ( ) 11.79
14 Syrian_Jew ( ) 11.85
15 Iranian_Jew ( ) 12.06
16 Uzbekistani_Jew ( ) 12.18
17 Crimean_Tatar_Coast ( ) 12.38
18 Kurd_Jew ( ) 12.68
19 Lebanese_Christian ( ) 13.09
20 Greek_Islands ( ) 13.17

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 86.6% Assyrian_Arzni ( ) + 13.4% Basque_French ( ) @ 2.19
2 86.3% Assyrian_Arzni ( ) + 13.7% Basque_Spanish ( ) @ 2.21
3 88.5% Assyrian_Arzni ( ) + 11.5% 1_Gokhem7 ( ) @ 2.41
4 84.9% Assyrian_Arzni ( ) + 15.1% Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS ( ) @ 2.43
5 87.5% Assyrian_Arzni ( ) + 12.5% 1_Skoglund_farmer ( ) @ 2.46
6 82.5% Assyrian_Arzni ( ) + 17.5% French_South ( ) @ 2.7
7 81.1% Assyrian_Arzni ( ) + 18.9% Spanish_Castilla_la_Mancha_IBS ( ) @ 2.93
8 81.6% Assyrian_Arzni ( ) + 18.4% Spanish_Aragon_IBS ( ) @ 2.94
9 81.5% Assyrian_Arzni ( ) + 18.5% Spanish_Cantabria_IBS ( ) @ 2.96
10 80.2% Assyrian_Arzni ( ) + 19.8% Spanish_Andalucia_IBS ( ) @ 3
11 88% Assyrian_Arzni ( ) + 12% 1_Otzi ( ) @ 3
12 80.6% Assyrian_Arzni ( ) + 19.4% Spanish_Valencia_IBS ( ) @ 3.03
13 79.8% Assyrian_Arzni ( ) + 20.2% Spanish_Murcia_IBS ( ) @ 3.27
14 79.6% Assyrian_Arzni ( ) + 20.4% Spanish_Cataluna_IBS ( ) @ 3.27
15 83.3% Assyrian_Arzni ( ) + 16.7% Sardinian ( ) @ 3.37
16 79% Assyrian_Arzni ( ) + 21% Spaniard ( ) @ 3.39
17 80.2% Assyrian_Arzni ( ) + 19.8% Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS ( ) @ 3.44
18 84.3% Jew_Tat ( ) + 15.7% 1_LBK380 ( ) @ 3.46
19 79.7% Assyrian_Arzni ( ) + 20.3% Spanish_Extremadura_IBS ( ) @ 3.47
20 77% Assyrian_Arzni ( ) + 23% Spanish_Baleares_IBS ( ) @ 3.53

ZephyrousMandaru
09-12-2014, 08:28 PM
Peradam created an MDS Plot based on MDLP K23b, not bad for a first try.

http://i.imgur.com/HMnXx97.png

ZephyrousMandaru
09-12-2014, 09:47 PM
MDLP K23b results for the two Iraqi Mandaeans


IQ Mandaean 1

Population
Amerindian 0.94%
Ancestral_Altaic -
South_Central_Asian 19.71%
Arctic -
South_Indian 2.51%
Australoid -
Austronesian -
Caucasian 42.50%
Archaic_Human -
East_African -
East_Siberian -
European_Early_Farmers 8.82%
Khoisan -
Melano_Polynesian 0.57%
Archaic_African -
Near_East 17.38%
North_African 5.96%
Paleo_Siberian 0.82%
African_Pygmy -
South_East_Asian -
Subsaharian -
Tungus-Altaic -
European_Hunters_Gatherers 0.73%

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kurd_Jew ( ) 4.46
2 Iranian_Jew ( ) 4.97
3 Georgian_Jew ( ) 5.29
4 Uzbekistani_Jew ( ) 5.31
5 Turk_Adana ( ) 7.67
6 Iraqi_Jew ( ) 8.3
7 Turk_Kayseri ( ) 9.02
8 Jew_Tat ( ) 9.46
9 Lebanese_Muslim ( ) 9.59
10 Turk ( ) 10.04
11 Uzbek_Tashkent ( ) 10.16
12 Azeri ( ) 10.47
13 Lebanese ( ) 10.88
14 Kurd ( ) 11.62
15 Samaritian ( ) 12.36
16 Baku_WGA ( ) 12.38
17 Lebanese_Druze ( ) 12.42
18 Turk_Istanbul ( ) 12.55
19 Syrian_Jew ( ) 13.42
20 Syrian ( ) 13.6

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 94.4% Kurd_Jew ( ) + 5.6% 1_LBK380 ( ) @ 2.51
2 86.5% Kurd_Jew ( ) + 13.5% French_Jew ( ) @ 2.53
3 89.2% Kurd_Jew ( ) + 10.8% Sicilian_Agrigento ( ) @ 2.54
4 95.5% Kurd_Jew ( ) + 4.5% Sardinian ( ) @ 2.55
5 89.3% Kurd_Jew ( ) + 10.7% Sicilian_Trapani ( ) @ 2.58
6 94.5% Iranian_Jew ( ) + 5.5% French_South ( ) @ 2.59
7 95.3% Iranian_Jew ( ) + 4.7% Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS ( ) @ 2.6
8 95.9% Iranian_Jew ( ) + 4.1% Basque_French ( ) @ 2.61
9 95.8% Iranian_Jew ( ) + 4.2% Basque_Spanish ( ) @ 2.61
10 93.8% Iranian_Jew ( ) + 6.2% Spanish_Valencia_IBS ( ) @ 2.62
11 88.3% Kurd_Jew ( ) + 11.7% Maltese ( ) @ 2.63
12 93.7% Iranian_Jew ( ) + 6.3% Spanish_Andalucia_IBS ( ) @ 2.63
13 93.5% Iranian_Jew ( ) + 6.5% Spanish_Cataluna_IBS ( ) @ 2.63
14 94.2% Iranian_Jew ( ) + 5.8% Spanish_Cantabria_IBS ( ) @ 2.64
15 88% Kurd_Jew ( ) + 12% Sicilian_West ( ) @ 2.64
16 93.6% Iranian_Jew ( ) + 6.4% Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS ( ) @ 2.65
17 94.2% Iranian_Jew ( ) + 5.8% Spanish_Aragon_IBS ( ) @ 2.65
18 86.1% Kurd_Jew ( ) + 13.9% Sephardic_Jew ( ) @ 2.65
19 94% Iranian_Jew ( ) + 6% Spanish_Castilla_la_Mancha_IBS ( ) @ 2.66
20 96.2% Iranian_Jew ( ) + 3.8% 1_Skoglund_farmer ( ) @ 2.66

Oracle-4

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Kurd_Jew @ 4.294159
2 Iranian_Jew @ 4.431421
3 Uzbekistani_Jew @ 5.555202
4 Jew_Tat @ 6.589244
5 Iraqi_Jew @ 7.479480
6 Georgian_Jew @ 7.629839
7 Turk_Adana @ 8.026882
8 Lebanese_Muslim @ 10.091461
9 Assyrian_Arzni @ 10.197256
10 Turk_Kayseri @ 10.356559
11 Azeri @ 10.894123
12 Uzbek_Tashkent @ 11.002881
13 Lebanese @ 11.025858
14 Lebanese_Druze @ 11.447227
15 Armenian @ 11.668814
16 Kurd @ 11.782372
17 Armenian_Yerevan @ 11.940972
18 Iraki @ 12.134874
19 Syrian @ 12.589422
20 Turk @ 12.888583

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Kurd +50% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.561251


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Iranian_Jew +25% Kurd +25% Syrian_Jew @ 2.915480


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Cypriot + Iranian + Iranian_Jew + Iranian_Jew @ 2.516530
2 Christian_Arabs_Israel + Iranian + Kurd_Jew + Kurd_Jew @ 2.561604
3 Christian_Arabs_Israel + Iranian + Iranian_Jew + Kurd_Jew @ 2.594348
4 Cypriot + Iranian + Iranian_Jew + Kurd_Jew @ 2.656774
5 Christian_Arabs_Israel + Iranian + Iranian_Jew + Iranian_Jew @ 2.745231
6 Christian_Arabs_Israel + Iranian + Iranian_Jew + Uzbekistani_Jew @ 2.768848
7 Christian_Arabs_Israel + Iranian + Kurd_Jew + Uzbekistani_Jew @ 2.777121
8 Christian_Arabs_Israel + Iranian + Iraqi_Jew + Kurd @ 2.801816
9 Cypriot + Iranian + Kurd_Jew + Kurd_Jew @ 2.862656
10 Iranian_Jew + Iranian_Jew + Kurd + Syrian_Jew @ 2.915480
11 Iranian_Jew + Kurd + Kurd_Jew + Syrian_Jew @ 2.980937
12 Cypriot + Iranian_Jew + Kurd + Kurd_Jew @ 2.983574
13 Christian_Arabs_Israel + Iranian + Jew_Tat + Kurd_Jew @ 2.985264
14 Cypriot + Kurd + Kurd_Jew + Kurd_Jew @ 3.015451
15 Armenian + Iranian + Iranian_Jew + Samaritian @ 3.024202
16 Assyrian_Arzni + Iranian + Iranian_Jew + Syrian_Jew @ 3.030493
17 Cypriot + Iranian_Jew + Iranian_Jew + Kurd @ 3.052264
18 Cypriot + Iranian + Iranian_Jew + Jew_Tat @ 3.059290
19 Iranian + Iranian_Jew + Jew_Tat + Syrian_Jew @ 3.066228
20 Iranian + Iranian_Jew + Iraqi_Jew + Syrian_Jew @ 3.118741



IQ Mandaean 2

Population
Amerindian 0.65%
Ancestral_Altaic 1.42%
South_Central_Asian 20.91%
Arctic 0.39%
South_Indian 1.84%
Australoid -
Austronesian 0.19%
Caucasian 40.73%
Archaic_Human 0.20%
East_African 0.22%
East_Siberian 0.07%
European_Early_Farmers 4.53%
Khoisan -
Melano_Polynesian -
Archaic_African -
Near_East 20.56%
North_African 8.27%
Paleo_Siberian -
African_Pygmy -
South_East_Asian -
Subsaharian -
Tungus-Altaic -
European_Hunters_Gatherers -

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kurd_Jew ( ) 5.83
2 Iranian_Jew ( ) 6.91
3 Uzbekistani_Jew ( ) 7.4
4 Georgian_Jew ( ) 10.16
5 Turk_Adana ( ) 10.97
6 Uzbek_Tashkent ( ) 11.14
7 Azeri ( ) 11.21
8 Kurd ( ) 11.3
9 Syrian ( ) 11.42
10 Lebanese ( ) 11.82
11 Iraqi_Jew ( ) 11.83
12 Lebanese_Muslim ( ) 11.97
13 Baku_WGA ( ) 12.51
14 Samaritian ( ) 12.92
15 Jew_Tat ( ) 13.4
16 Iraki ( ) 13.82
17 Turk_Kayseri ( ) 14.32
18 Muslim_Arabs_Israel ( ) 14.55
19 Turk ( ) 14.69
20 Lebanese_Druze ( ) 16.24

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 95.1% Kurd_Jew ( ) + 4.9% Mozabite ( ) @ 3.15
2 94.5% Kurd_Jew ( ) + 5.5% Saharawi ( ) @ 3.15
3 92.9% Kurd_Jew ( ) + 7.1% Moroccan ( ) @ 3.19
4 94.4% Kurd_Jew ( ) + 5.6% Berber_WGA ( ) @ 3.32
5 92.8% Kurd_Jew ( ) + 7.2% Tunisian ( ) @ 3.6
6 94.3% Kurd_Jew ( ) + 5.7% Morocco_South ( ) @ 3.62
7 93.6% Kurd_Jew ( ) + 6.4% Algerian ( ) @ 3.75
8 93.3% Kurd_Jew ( ) + 6.7% Shaigi_Sudan ( ) @ 3.76
9 93.6% Iranian_Jew ( ) + 6.4% Saharawi ( ) @ 3.84
10 91.8% Iranian_Jew ( ) + 8.2% Moroccan ( ) @ 3.95
11 94.5% Iranian_Jew ( ) + 5.5% Mozabite ( ) @ 4.05
12 93.5% Iranian_Jew ( ) + 6.5% Berber_WGA ( ) @ 4.07
13 92.1% Iranian_Jew ( ) + 7.9% Makrani ( ) @ 4.09
14 93.1% Iranian_Jew ( ) + 6.9% Brahui ( ) @ 4.14
15 92.5% Iranian_Jew ( ) + 7.5% Balochi ( ) @ 4.17
16 88.6% Kurd_Jew ( ) + 11.4% Yemen ( ) @ 4.24
17 93.3% Iranian_Jew ( ) + 6.7% Morocco_South ( ) @ 4.27
18 91.6% Iranian_Jew ( ) + 8.4% Tunisian ( ) @ 4.29
19 89.1% Kurd_Jew ( ) + 10.9% Egyptian_Kuwait ( ) @ 4.29
20 93.9% Iranian_Jew ( ) + 6.1% Kalash ( ) @ 4.31

Oracle-4

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Kurd_Jew @ 5.050384
2 Iranian_Jew @ 5.175822
3 Uzbekistani_Jew @ 7.397023
4 Iraqi_Jew @ 9.777085
5 Jew_Tat @ 9.908409
6 Iraki @ 10.530643
7 Syrian @ 11.256265
8 Georgian_Jew @ 11.456589
9 Turk_Adana @ 12.112550
10 Lebanese @ 12.141488
11 Muslim_Arabs_Israel @ 12.149682
12 Lebanese_Muslim @ 12.151756
13 Kurd @ 12.595763
14 Azeri @ 12.757149
15 Uzbek_Tashkent @ 12.759401
16 Assyrian_Arzni @ 13.273393
17 Samaritian @ 13.299207
18 Lebanese_Druze @ 14.169737
19 Baku_WGA @ 14.209103
20 Iranian @ 15.036366

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Iranian_Jew +50% Kurd_Jew @ 5.018843


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Kurd +25% Kurd_Jew +25% Yemenite_Jew @ 4.295383


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Iranian + Iranian_Jew + Iranian_Jew + Samaritian @ 4.182731
2 Iranian_Jew + Kurd + Kurd + Yemenite_Jew @ 4.194520
3 Brahui + Christian_Arabs_Israel + Georgian_Laz + Yemenite_Jew @ 4.283340
4 Kurd + Kurd + Kurd_Jew + Yemenite_Jew @ 4.295383
5 Iranian_Jew + Iranian_Jew + Kurd + Muslim_Arabs_Israel @ 4.301312
6 Iranian + Iranian_Jew + Kurd_Jew + Samaritian @ 4.304094
7 Adjara + Christian_Arabs_Israel + Makrani + Yemenite_Jew @ 4.310634
8 Assyrian_Arzni + Iranian + Kurd + Yemenite_Jew @ 4.377951
9 Iranian + Iranian_Jew + Iranian_Jew + Syrian @ 4.386776
10 Iranian + Iranian_Jew + Iranian_Jew + Muslim_Arabs_Israel @ 4.399221
11 Christian_Arabs_Israel + Georgian_Imereti + Makrani + Yemenite_Jew @ 4.438466
12 BedouinA + Iranian_Jew + Iranian_Jew + Kurd @ 4.438612
13 Christian_Arabs_Israel + Georgian_Megrelia + Makrani + Yemenite_Jew @ 4.439368
14 Iranian_Jew + Kurd + Kurd_Jew + Muslim_Arabs_Israel @ 4.443838
15 Iraki + Iranian_Jew + Iranian_Jew + Iranian_Jew @ 4.444798
16 Christian_Arabs_Israel + Georgian + Makrani + Yemenite_Jew @ 4.448886
17 BedouinA + Iranian_Jew + Kurd + Kurd_Jew @ 4.450585
18 Iraki + Iranian_Jew + Iranian_Jew + Kurd_Jew @ 4.459074
19 Iranian_Jew + Iranian_Jew + Kurd + Syrian @ 4.464377
20 Christian_Arabs_Israel + Georgian_Laz + Makrani + Yemenite_Jew @ 4.467281

Dimanto
09-12-2014, 10:28 PM
Central Italian(Alvito)/Northern European


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 29.53
2 European_Hunters_Gatherers 26.60
3 European_Early_Farmers 24.80
4 South_Central_Asian 5.59
5 Near_East 4.11
6 Ancestral_Altaic 3.49
7 North_African 2.49
8 Australoid 1.01



--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Bulgarian @ 9.193904
2 Kosovar @ 9.280927
3 Macedonian @ 10.781154
4 Montenegrian @ 10.850155
5 Greek_Thessaloniki @ 11.815818
6 Albanian_Tirana @ 12.061470
7 Greek_Thessaly @ 12.204963
8 South_German @ 12.821881
9 Romanian @ 12.938859
10 Serb_Serbia @ 12.979410
11 Italian_Piedmont @ 13.677050
12 Gagauz @ 13.782639
13 Italian_Tuscan @ 13.838168
14 Greek_Peloponnesos @ 14.058963
15 Belgian @ 14.244097
16 English @ 14.465387
17 German_East @ 14.640076
18 Central_Greek @ 14.837448
19 Dutch @ 15.053296
20 Austrian @ 15.167722


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Athens +50% Norwegian_Bergen @ 1.817228


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Athens +25% Norwegian_Bergen +25% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 1.526725
Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Crimean_Tatar_Coast + North_European + Norwegian_Bergen + Sicilian_Trapani @ 1.320463
2 French + North_European + Ossetian_Russian + Sicilian_Siracusa @ 1.323958
3 British + Crimean_Tatar_Coast + North_German + Sicilian_Trapani @ 1.325085
4 Greek + Ossetian_Russian + Spanish_Castilla_la_Mancha_IBS + Swede @ 1.351054
5 CEU + French + Ossetian_Russian + Sicilian_East @ 1.354517
6 Crimean_Tatar_Coast + Icelandic + North_European + Sicilian_Trapani @ 1.375029
7 Greek + Norwegian_Bergen + Ossetian_Russian + Spanish_Galicia_IBS @ 1.375686
8 CEU + French + Ossetian_Russian + Sicilian_Siracusa @ 1.376337
9 Crimean_Tatar_Coast + English_Kent_GBR + Icelandic + Sicilian_Trapani @ 1.377701
10 French + North_European + Ossetian_Russian + Sicilian_East @ 1.380205
11 Greek_Peloponnesos + North_European + Ossetian_Russian + Spanish_Extremadura_IBS @ 1.384590
12 Central_Greek + Dutch + Dutch + Sicilian_Trapani @ 1.389787
13 French + Orcadian + Ossetian_Russian + Sicilian_Center @ 1.390036
14 Crimean_Tatar_Coast + Gagauz + Icelandic + Spanish_Galicia_IBS @ 1.395146
15 British + Crimean_Tatar_Coast + Sicilian_Agrigento + Swede @ 1.395661
16 Greek + Icelandic + Ossetian_Russian + Spanish_Galicia_IBS @ 1.400302
17 Ossetian_Russian + Sicilian_Siracusa + Spanish_Cataluna_IBS + Swede @ 1.401543
18 Ashkenazi_Jew + Central_Greek + CEU + Dutch @ 1.408112
19 English_Kent_GBR + French + Ossetian_Russian + Sicilian_Siracusa @ 1.410900
20 Ossetian_Russian + Sicilian_Siracusa + Spaniard + Swede @ 1.411987

Rukha
09-12-2014, 10:47 PM
mine:

# Population Percent
1 South_Central_Asian 34.15
2 Caucasian 21.5
3 South_Indian 16.72
4 European_Hunters_Gatherers 10.3
5 Ancestral_Altaic 8.47
6 Amerindian 2.58
7 Near_East 2.13
8 Tungus-Altaic 1.84
9 South_East_Asian 0.87
10 Subsaharian 0.62
11 Australoid 0.61
12 North_African 0.21

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Afghan_Pushtun ( ) 5.87
2 Pashtun_Afghani ( ) 7.85
3 Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim ( ) 9.73
4 Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) 10.78
5 Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) 11.24
6 Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) 12.51
7 Tajik_Afghan ( ) 13.08
8 Uzbek_Afghan ( ) 13.44
9 Parsi ( ) 14.99
10 Tajik_Yagnobi ( ) 16.91
11 Pathan ( ) 18.5
12 Jatt_Pahari ( ) 23.97
13 Jatt_Haryana ( ) 24.4
14 Burusho ( ) 24.61
15 Turkmen_Uzbekistan ( ) 24.79
16 Mumbai_Jew ( ) 25.14
17 Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) 26.56
18 Cochin_Jew ( ) 28.11
19 Iranian ( ) 28.13
20 Uzbek ( ) 28.68

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 62% Burusho ( ) + 38% Tabassaran ( ) @ 3.27
2 62.7% Burusho ( ) + 37.3% Avar ( ) @ 3.4
3 63% Burusho ( ) + 37% Lezgin ( ) @ 3.43
4 61.5% Burusho ( ) + 38.5% Lak ( ) @ 3.59
5 67.2% Burusho ( ) + 32.8% Chechen ( ) @ 3.69
6 58% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 42% Tajik_Yagnobi ( ) @ 3.76
7 63.4% Burusho ( ) + 36.6% Azeri_Dagestan ( ) @ 3.82
8 61.4% Burusho ( ) + 38.6% Dargin_Urkarah ( ) @ 3.84
9 68.2% Pathan ( ) + 31.8% Lak ( ) @ 3.86
10 68.1% Pathan ( ) + 31.9% Dargin_Urkarah ( ) @ 3.9
11 62.2% Burusho ( ) + 37.8% Baku_WGA ( ) @ 4.1
12 85.2% Pashtun_Afghani ( ) + 14.8% Roma_Macedonian ( ) @ 4.15
13 66.5% Burusho ( ) + 33.5% Kumyk ( ) @ 4.16
14 69.4% Pathan ( ) + 30.6% Avar ( ) @ 4.22
15 68.8% Pathan ( ) + 31.2% Tabassaran ( ) @ 4.27
16 85.7% Pashtun_Afghani ( ) + 14.3% Roma ( ) @ 4.32
17 69.7% Pathan ( ) + 30.3% Lezgin ( ) @ 4.34
18 67.9% Burusho ( ) + 32.1% Kabardin ( ) @ 4.37
19 69.3% Burusho ( ) + 30.7% Adygei ( ) @ 4.37
20 70.4% Burusho ( ) + 29.6% Ossetian ( ) @ 4.45

Oracle-4

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Afghan_Pushtun @ 6.022763
2 Pashtun_Afghani @ 6.597636
3 Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 7.880489
4 Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan @ 10.920326
5 Pakistani_Pushtun @ 11.274079
6 Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan @ 11.794449
7 Uzbek_Afghan @ 13.622798
8 Tajik_Afghan @ 14.288071
9 Pathan @ 15.139155
10 Tajik_Yagnobi @ 15.698829
11 Parsi @ 16.076712
12 Burusho @ 18.394464
13 Jatt_Haryana @ 19.676146
14 Jatt_Pahari @ 20.603771
15 Punjabi_Gujjar @ 22.696201
16 Iranian @ 23.935591
17 Sindhi @ 24.814564
18 Jatt_Muslim @ 25.678589
19 Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 25.870728
20 Mumbai_Jew @ 26.002169

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Pakistani_Pushtun +50% Tajik_Yagnobi @ 4.388344

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Pathan +25% Tabassaran +25% Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 3.337692

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Lak + Pakistani_Pushtun + Pathan + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 2.641795
2 Lak + Pakistani + Pashtun_Afghani + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 2.656922
3 Avar + Pakistani + Pashtun_Afghani + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 2.666639
4 Lezgin + Pakistani + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 2.681308
5 Avar + Pakistani + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 2.687618
6 Dargin_Urkarah + Pakistani + Pashtun_Afghani + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 2.697005
7 Burusho + Pakistani_Pushtun + Tabassaran + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 2.722847
8 Jatt_Muslim + Lak + Pashtun_Afghani + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 2.723739
9 Dargin_Urkarah + Pakistani_Pushtun + Pathan + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 2.727680
10 Avar + Jatt_Muslim + Pashtun_Afghani + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 2.734241
11 Pakistani + Tabassaran + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 2.742520
12 Dargin_Urkarah + Jatt_Muslim + Pashtun_Afghani + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 2.742790
13 Lak + Pakistani + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 2.760154
14 Avar + Pakistani_Pushtun + Pathan + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 2.778961
15 Avar + Burusho + Pakistani_Pushtun + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 2.788620
16 Avar + GujaratiA_GIH + Pashtun_Afghani + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 2.814987
17 Pakistani_Pushtun + Pathan + Tabassaran + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 2.820838
18 Pakistani + Pashtun_Afghani + Tabassaran + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 2.827773
19 Jatt_Muslim + Lezgin + Pashtun_Afghani + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 2.828450
20 Lezgin + Pakistani + Pashtun_Afghani + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 2.848002

vettor
09-12-2014, 11:41 PM
mine............looks accurate........1, 2 and 3 are very close

MDLP K23b Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_Early_Farmers 29.03
2 Caucasian 27.88
3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 25.56
4 South_Central_Asian 5.03
5 Near_East 4.22
6 North_African 4.16
7 Ancestral_Altaic 3.18
8 Melano_Polynesian 0.75
9 South_Indian 0.2

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_German ( ) 8.16
2 Italian_Piedmont ( ) 9.49
3 Italian_Bergamo ( ) 9.89
4 Austrian ( ) 9.98
5 Italian_Tuscan ( ) 10.27
6 Belgian ( ) 11.29
7 Dutch ( ) 12.02
8 North_German ( ) 12.38
9 Hungarian ( ) 12.9
10 Sicilian_Trapani ( ) 12.94
11 Slovenian ( ) 12.94
12 English ( ) 13.16
13 Italian_Abruzzo ( ) 13.6
14 Hungarian_Budapest ( ) 14.05
15 German_East ( ) 14.51
16 English_Kent_GBR ( ) 14.55
17 Sicilian_Agrigento ( ) 14.85
18 Maltese ( ) 15
19 Montenegrian ( ) 15.36
20 North_European ( ) 15.38


my wife's numbers below....looks similar to mine

MDLP K23b Oracle


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_Early_Farmers 30.35
2 Caucasian 27.2
3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 25.33
4 South_Central_Asian 5.45
5 North_African 4.39
6 Near_East 3.48
7 Ancestral_Altaic 2.32
8 Archaic_Human 0.61
9 South_Indian 0.48
10 Australoid 0.34
11 Subsaharian 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_German ( ) 7.98
2 Italian_Bergamo ( ) 8.76
3 Italian_Piedmont ( ) 9.9
4 Belgian ( ) 10.56
5 Italian_Tuscan ( ) 11.04
6 Austrian ( ) 11.17
7 Dutch ( ) 11.79
8 English ( ) 12.27
9 North_German ( ) 12.33
10 English_Kent_GBR ( ) 13.32
11 Spanish_Baleares_IBS ( ) 13.88
12 French ( ) 14.17
13 Sicilian_Trapani ( ) 14.26
14 North_European ( ) 14.36
15 Hungarian ( ) 14.36
16 Slovenian ( ) 14.4
17 English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) 14.65
18 Italian_Abruzzo ( ) 14.78
19 German_East ( ) 15.26
20 Hungarian_Budapest ( ) 15.58


where is south-central asia, altaic and archaic_human ?

bol_nat
09-12-2014, 11:58 PM
Pakistan Punjabi jatt HRP0350

MDLP K23b Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):


# Population Percent
1 South_Central_Asian 35.98
2 South_Indian 33.22
3 Caucasian 13.87
4 Ancestral_Altaic 5.03
5 European_Hunters_Gatherers 4.89
6 Australoid 1.39
7 Paleo_Siberian 1.31
8 Near_East 1.2
9 Arctic 1.12
10 East_Siberian 0.85
11 Melano_Polynesian 0.74
12 South_East_Asian 0.26
13 Archaic_Human 0.11
14 European_Early_Farmers 0.04

Single Population Sharing:


# Population (source) Distance
1 Jatt_Pahari ( ) 3.19
2 Jatt_Haryana ( ) 7.11
3 Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) 8.51
4 Pathan ( ) 9.05
5 Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) 10.59
6 Jatt_Muslim ( ) 10.68
7 Pakistani ( ) 10.92
8 Burusho ( ) 13.87
9 GujaratiA_GIH ( ) 14.13
10 Mumbai_Jew ( ) 14.4
11 Cochin_Jew ( ) 14.89
12 Sindhi ( ) 15.04
13 Tiwari ( ) 17.4
14 GujaratiB_GIH ( ) 19.11
15 Pashtun_Afghani ( ) 21.14
16 Brahmin_Tamil ( ) 21.67
17 Afghan_Pushtun ( ) 22.27
18 Vaish ( ) 22.54
19 Kshatriya ( ) 23.29
20 Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim ( ) 23.53

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 97.5% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 2.5% Georgian_Tbilisi ( ) @ 2.11
2 97.5% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 2.5% Georgian_Svan ( ) @ 2.12
3 97.6% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 2.4% Georgian_Imereti ( ) @ 2.13
4 97.4% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 2.6% Adjara ( ) @ 2.13
5 97.4% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 2.6% Abkhasian ( ) @ 2.15
6 97.5% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 2.5% Georgian_Megrelia ( ) @ 2.15
7 97.7% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 2.3% Georgian_Laz ( ) @ 2.16
8 97.5% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 2.5% Georgian ( ) @ 2.17
9 97.1% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 2.9% Ossetian ( ) @ 2.21
10 97% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 3% North_Ossetian ( ) @ 2.23
11 97.1% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 2.9% Balkar ( ) @ 2.24
12 97.3% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 2.7% Kakheti ( ) @ 2.24
13 97% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 3% Adygei ( ) @ 2.25
14 96.8% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 3.2% Chechen ( ) @ 2.26
15 96.9% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 3.1% Kabardin ( ) @ 2.27
16 98.1% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 1.9% 1_Gokhem5 ( ) @ 2.29
17 96.5% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 3.5% Avar ( ) @ 2.32
18 97.2% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 2.8% Circassian ( ) @ 2.32
19 97.6% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 2.4% Turk_Trabzon ( ) @ 2.33
20 96.6% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 3.4% Lezgin ( ) @ 2.33

Didn't expect Jatt haryana to be 2nd instead of punjabi gujjar.

David Mc
09-13-2014, 12:24 AM
For me, the K23b Oracle has given the most accurate results of any test so far (MDLP or otherwise):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 36.76
2 European_Early_Farmers 28.79
3 Caucasian 19.98
4 South_Central_Asian 5.69
5 Ancestral_Altaic 5.03
6 North_African 1.56
7 Near_East 1.1
8 Paleo_Siberian 0.91
9 East_Siberian 0.18

Oracle Results:

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 English ( ) 1.69
2 North_European ( ) 1.7
3 English_Kent_GBR ( ) 3.21
4 English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) 3.58
5 Belgian ( ) 3.63
6 CEU ( ) 3.73
7 Welsh ( ) 4.47
8 Norwegian_Bergen ( ) 5.92
9 Dutch ( ) 5.97
10 Icelandic ( ) 6.61
11 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) 6.74
12 Swede ( ) 6.93
13 North_German ( ) 7.74
14 Orcadian ( ) 7.94
15 South_German ( ) 8.14
16 French ( ) 8.6
17 British ( ) 8.76
18 Portugese ( ) 13.52
19 Austrian ( ) 14.46
20 Spanish_Baleares_IBS ( ) 15.1

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 90.7% English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) + 9.3% Kuban_cossack ( ) @ 1.05
2 96% North_European ( ) + 4% Greek_Thessaly ( ) @ 1.05
3 96.9% North_European ( ) + 3.1% Greek_Smyrna ( ) @ 1.06
4 50.4% English ( ) + 49.6% North_European ( ) @ 1.07
5 97.1% North_European ( ) + 2.9% Greek_Islands ( ) @ 1.07
6 95.4% North_European ( ) + 4.6% Italian_Abruzzo ( ) @ 1.07
7 72.4% North_European ( ) + 27.6% Belgian ( ) @ 1.07
8 96.5% North_European ( ) + 3.5% Central_Greek ( ) @ 1.07
9 95.7% North_European ( ) + 4.3% Kosovar ( ) @ 1.07
10 87% English ( ) + 13% British ( ) @ 1.08
11 96.8% North_European ( ) + 3.2% Greek_Athens ( ) @ 1.08
12 94.7% North_European ( ) + 5.3% Italian_Tuscan ( ) @ 1.08
13 95.3% North_European ( ) + 4.7% Sicilian_Trapani ( ) @ 1.08
14 73.4% English ( ) + 26.6% CEU ( ) @ 1.08
15 96.9% North_European ( ) + 3.1% Italian_South ( ) @ 1.09
16 96.8% North_European ( ) + 3.2% Greek_Phokaia ( ) @ 1.09
17 98.6% North_European ( ) + 1.4% 1_Gokhem5 ( ) @ 1.09
18 96.8% North_European ( ) + 3.2% Greek ( ) @ 1.09
19 96.4% North_European ( ) + 3.6% Albanian_Tirana ( ) @ 1.1
20 98.5% North_European ( ) + 1.5% Georgian_Laz ( ) @ 1.1

Oracle 4 Results:

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 English @ 1.458210
2 North_European @ 1.771061
3 Belgian @ 2.634375
4 CEU @ 2.777531
5 English_Kent_GBR @ 3.037564
6 English_Cornwall_GBR @ 3.652070
7 Welsh @ 3.861706
8 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 4.719982
9 Dutch @ 5.304448
10 Orcadian @ 5.367535
11 Norwegian_Bergen @ 5.556241
12 South_German @ 6.024904
13 British @ 6.185722
14 Icelandic @ 6.697094
15 North_German @ 9.110962
16 French @ 10.457448
17 Swede @ 11.084743
18 Austrian @ 11.637583
19 German_East @ 13.373690
20 Hungarian @ 15.694191

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% English +50% North_European @ 1.221788


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% English +25% English_Cornwall_GBR +25% North_European @ 0.910333


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 English + English + English_Cornwall_GBR + North_European @ 0.910333
2 English + English + English_Kent_GBR + North_European @ 0.917835
3 Belgian + English + English_Cornwall_GBR + North_European @ 0.946804
4 Dutch + English + French + Icelandic @ 0.966337
5 Dutch + English + French + Norwegian_Bergen @ 1.009073
6 Belgian + English + North_European + Welsh @ 1.009941
7 English + English_Cornwall_GBR + North_European + North_European @ 1.011471
8 Dutch + English_Kent_GBR + North_European + Welsh @ 1.024171
9 Belgian + CEU + English + English @ 1.035723
10 Belgian + Dutch + French + Icelandic @ 1.046970
11 Belgian + CEU + English + North_European @ 1.053425
12 English + English + English + English_Kent_GBR @ 1.058408
13 CEU + English + English + English @ 1.061778
14 Belgian + Dutch + Welsh + Welsh @ 1.062362
15 Belgian + English + English + Welsh @ 1.062689
16 Austrian + English_Cornwall_GBR + English_Cornwall_GBR + Orcadian @ 1.065638
17 English + English + English + English_Cornwall_GBR @ 1.067120
18 Dutch + English + English_Kent_GBR + Welsh @ 1.069302
19 Belgian + English_Cornwall_GBR + North_European + North_European @ 1.079202
20 Belgian + CEU + Dutch + Welsh @ 1.084590

bol_nat
09-13-2014, 12:30 AM
Pakistan punjabi gujjar HRP0353

MDLP K23b Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):


# Population Percent
1 South_Central_Asian 42.4
2 South_Indian 32.85
3 Caucasian 11.63
4 Ancestral_Altaic 5.05
5 European_Hunters_Gatherers 3.78
6 Austronesian 0.97
7 European_Early_Farmers 0.87
8 Arctic 0.67
9 Archaic_African 0.61
10 Paleo_Siberian 0.49
11 Melano_Polynesian 0.32
12 Near_East 0.18
13 Archaic_Human 0.11
14 East_Siberian 0.06
15 East_African 0.02

Single Population Sharing:


# Population (source) Distance
1 Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) 1.96
2 Jatt_Pahari ( ) 6.24
3 Pathan ( ) 8.19
4 Pakistani ( ) 8.84
5 Sindhi ( ) 9.09
6 Jatt_Muslim ( ) 11.1
7 Jatt_Haryana ( ) 11.15
8 GujaratiA_GIH ( ) 11.42
9 Burusho ( ) 11.84
10 Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) 15.36
11 Tiwari ( ) 17.88
12 GujaratiB_GIH ( ) 18.22
13 Cochin_Jew ( ) 20.74
14 Mumbai_Jew ( ) 20.83
15 Brahmin_Tamil ( ) 21.5
16 Pashtun_Afghani ( ) 22.68
17 Kshatriya ( ) 22.69
18 Vaish ( ) 22.85
19 TN_Brahmin ( ) 24.45
20 Afghan_Pushtun ( ) 24.94

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 98.6% Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) + 1.4% Georgian_Imereti ( ) @ 1.38
2 98.6% Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) + 1.4% Georgian_Tbilisi ( ) @ 1.38
3 98.6% Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) + 1.4% Georgian_Svan ( ) @ 1.39
4 98.6% Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) + 1.4% Georgian_Megrelia ( ) @ 1.4
5 98.5% Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) + 1.5% Abkhasian ( ) @ 1.4
6 98.7% Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) + 1.3% Georgian_Laz ( ) @ 1.41
7 98.6% Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) + 1.4% Adjara ( ) @ 1.41
8 98.6% Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) + 1.4% Georgian ( ) @ 1.41
9 98.4% Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) + 1.6% Ossetian ( ) @ 1.46
10 98.5% Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) + 1.5% Kakheti ( ) @ 1.47
11 98.9% Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) + 1.1% 1_Gokhem5 ( ) @ 1.47
12 98.4% Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) + 1.6% North_Ossetian ( ) @ 1.48
13 98.4% Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) + 1.6% Balkar ( ) @ 1.48
14 98.4% Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) + 1.6% Adygei ( ) @ 1.48
15 98.3% Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) + 1.7% Chechen ( ) @ 1.49
16 98.4% Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) + 1.6% Kabardin ( ) @ 1.51
17 98.7% Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) + 1.3% Turk_Trabzon ( ) @ 1.51
18 98.1% Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) + 1.9% Avar ( ) @ 1.52
19 98.2% Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) + 1.8% Lezgin ( ) @ 1.52
20 98.1% Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) + 1.9% Tabassaran ( ) @ 1.53

Oracle 4

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Punjabi_Gujjar @ 1.533341
2 Jatt_Pahari @ 6.502042
3 Sindhi @ 6.783963
4 Pakistani @ 7.780654
5 Pathan @ 7.930525
6 GujaratiA_GIH @ 9.171355
7 Jatt_Muslim @ 10.788908
8 Burusho @ 11.351063
9 Jatt_Haryana @ 13.498055
10 Pakistani_Pushtun @ 13.889539
11 GujaratiB_GIH @ 15.949771
12 Tiwari @ 16.909451
13 Brahmin_Tamil @ 19.474405
14 Kshatriya @ 19.702700
15 Mumbai_Jew @ 20.139936
16 Pashtun_Afghani @ 20.771175
17 Vaish @ 20.920757
18 Cochin_Jew @ 21.379280
19 Afghan_Pushtun @ 21.728224
20 TN_Brahmin @ 22.262146

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Punjabi_Gujjar +50% Punjabi_Gujjar @ 1.533341


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Punjabi_Gujjar +25% Punjabi_Gujjar +25% Punjabi_Gujjar @ 1.533341

Sapporo
09-13-2014, 12:33 AM
Pakistan Punjabi jatt HRP0350

MDLP K23b Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):


# Population Percent
1 South_Central_Asian 35.98
2 South_Indian 33.22
3 Caucasian 13.87
4 Ancestral_Altaic 5.03
5 European_Hunters_Gatherers 4.89
6 Australoid 1.39
7 Paleo_Siberian 1.31
8 Near_East 1.2
9 Arctic 1.12
10 East_Siberian 0.85
11 Melano_Polynesian 0.74
12 South_East_Asian 0.26
13 Archaic_Human 0.11
14 European_Early_Farmers 0.04

Single Population Sharing:


# Population (source) Distance
1 Jatt_Pahari ( ) 3.19
2 Jatt_Haryana ( ) 7.11
3 Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) 8.51
4 Pathan ( ) 9.05
5 Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) 10.59
6 Jatt_Muslim ( ) 10.68
7 Pakistani ( ) 10.92
8 Burusho ( ) 13.87
9 GujaratiA_GIH ( ) 14.13
10 Mumbai_Jew ( ) 14.4
11 Cochin_Jew ( ) 14.89
12 Sindhi ( ) 15.04
13 Tiwari ( ) 17.4
14 GujaratiB_GIH ( ) 19.11
15 Pashtun_Afghani ( ) 21.14
16 Brahmin_Tamil ( ) 21.67
17 Afghan_Pushtun ( ) 22.27
18 Vaish ( ) 22.54
19 Kshatriya ( ) 23.29
20 Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim ( ) 23.53

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 97.5% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 2.5% Georgian_Tbilisi ( ) @ 2.11
2 97.5% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 2.5% Georgian_Svan ( ) @ 2.12
3 97.6% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 2.4% Georgian_Imereti ( ) @ 2.13
4 97.4% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 2.6% Adjara ( ) @ 2.13
5 97.4% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 2.6% Abkhasian ( ) @ 2.15
6 97.5% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 2.5% Georgian_Megrelia ( ) @ 2.15
7 97.7% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 2.3% Georgian_Laz ( ) @ 2.16
8 97.5% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 2.5% Georgian ( ) @ 2.17
9 97.1% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 2.9% Ossetian ( ) @ 2.21
10 97% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 3% North_Ossetian ( ) @ 2.23
11 97.1% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 2.9% Balkar ( ) @ 2.24
12 97.3% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 2.7% Kakheti ( ) @ 2.24
13 97% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 3% Adygei ( ) @ 2.25
14 96.8% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 3.2% Chechen ( ) @ 2.26
15 96.9% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 3.1% Kabardin ( ) @ 2.27
16 98.1% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 1.9% 1_Gokhem5 ( ) @ 2.29
17 96.5% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 3.5% Avar ( ) @ 2.32
18 97.2% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 2.8% Circassian ( ) @ 2.32
19 97.6% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 2.4% Turk_Trabzon ( ) @ 2.33
20 96.6% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 3.4% Lezgin ( ) @ 2.33

Didn't expect Jatt haryana to be 2nd instead of punjabi gujjar.

Awesome results. I think the beta sucked. Gujarati A were too close and are usually fairly distant. These results make more sense. I expect mine to be very similar to yours. I keep getting kicked on Gedmatch on my phone though.

I'm still curious about the Pashtun results. Where are they from? The Afghan Pashtun is HRP0370 who is Durrani/Popalzai originally from Northwest Afghanistan according to Dr_McNinja. It's awesome that the Pamiris were separated into three groups from different districts/regions of the Pamir region. It seems one groups is from Afghanistan's Badakhshan province. One is from the border city of Ishkashim/Ishkoshim and one from from Tajikistan's Gorno-Badakhshan. There are even isolated Yaghnobis from Sughd, Tajikstan.

Dr_McNinja
09-13-2014, 12:41 AM
The GEDmatch one is giving a little different results but mostly the same as the DIY:


Population
Amerindian 0.70%
Ancestral_Altaic 4.21%
South_Central_Asian 33.13%
Arctic -
South_Indian 38.30%
Australoid 0.22%
Austronesian -
Caucasian 7.32%
Archaic_Human -
East_African -
East_Siberian 0.83%
European_Early_Farmers 3.55%
Khoisan -
Melano_Polynesian -
Archaic_African 0.09%
Near_East 1.54%
North_African -
Paleo_Siberian 2.45%
African_Pygmy -
South_East_Asian -
Subsaharian 0.43%
Tungus-Altaic 0.91%
European_Hunters_Gatherers 6.31%My Caucasian dropped even further in the GEDmatch and bol_nat's went up which was interesting.
Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Jatt_Muslim ( ) 3.37
2 GujaratiA_GIH ( ) 6.13
3 Pakistani ( ) 6.56
4 Tiwari ( ) 6.99
5 GujaratiB_GIH ( ) 8.86
6 Jatt_Haryana ( ) 10.6
7 Jatt_Pahari ( ) 11.03
8 Brahmin_Tamil ( ) 11.68
9 Vaish ( ) 12.19
10 Kshatriya ( ) 12.28
11 Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) 12.54
12 Sindhi ( ) 14.14
13 Brahmins_UP ( ) 14.24
14 TN_Brahmin ( ) 14.88
15 Burusho ( ) 16.37
16 Meghawal ( ) 16.6
17 Cochin_Jew ( ) 17.03
18 GujaratiC_GIH ( ) 17.52
19 Pathan ( ) 18.15
20 Punjabi_Lahore_PJL ( ) 20.14

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 98.4% Jatt_Muslim ( ) + 1.6% Itelmen ( ) @ 2.94
2 90.8% Jatt_Muslim ( ) + 9.2% Meghawal ( ) @ 2.94
3 88.1% Jatt_Muslim ( ) + 11.9% Kshatriya ( ) @ 2.96
4 98.4% Jatt_Muslim ( ) + 1.6% Koryak ( ) @ 2.97
5 98.4% Jatt_Muslim ( ) + 1.6% 1_Skoglund_farmer ( ) @ 3
6 98.6% Jatt_Muslim ( ) + 1.4% 1_Gokhem7 ( ) @ 3.01
7 93.6% Jatt_Muslim ( ) + 6.4% Dharkar ( ) @ 3.01
8 94.7% Jatt_Muslim ( ) + 5.3% Bengali_Bangladesh_BEB ( ) @ 3.02
9 90.3% Jatt_Muslim ( ) + 9.7% Brahmins_UP ( ) @ 3.03
10 94.4% Jatt_Muslim ( ) + 5.6% Kanjar ( ) @ 3.03
11 93.9% Jatt_Muslim ( ) + 6.1% Srivastava ( ) @ 3.04
12 93.2% Jatt_Muslim ( ) + 6.8% Punjabi_Lahore_PJL ( ) @ 3.05
13 96.3% Jatt_Muslim ( ) + 3.7% Gond ( ) @ 3.05
14 95.6% Jatt_Muslim ( ) + 4.4% Piramalai_Kallar ( ) @ 3.05
15 81.5% Jatt_Muslim ( ) + 18.5% Tiwari ( ) @ 3.06
16 96% Jatt_Muslim ( ) + 4% Scheduled_Caste_UP ( ) @ 3.06
17 98.4% Jatt_Muslim ( ) + 1.6% Basque_French ( ) @ 3.06
18 89.3% Jatt_Muslim ( ) + 10.7% Vaish ( ) @ 3.07
19 94.5% Jatt_Muslim ( ) + 5.5% Dhaka_mixed_popul ( ) @ 3.07
20 95.8% Jatt_Muslim ( ) + 4.2% Lodhi ( ) @ 3.07This is very interesting. It seems to indicate I'm east shifted compared to my mom or grandmom (whoever was the basis for Jatt Muslim), or even north shifted. It even uses some Siberians or what I think are ancient genomes (Skoglund_farmer and Gokhem7... where were these from?). There's one with French Basque there. I'm confused since it seems to indicate I'm either a little Southeast (Indian), Northeast (Siberian) or Northwest (European/Ancient)... and they're all similar genetic distance.

Why is ANE now called Ancestral Altaic though?

For comparison here were some DIY runs I did: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuXBmvmgdkfVdFMtRHVlZDBuQ3lMcjhxMDE4V3JoY lE&usp=drive_web#gid=17

Guess I should make a new page with this calculator

EDIT: My Oracle results with the DIY calculator:


[1,] "Jatt-Muslim" "2.1359"
[2,] "Tiwari" "5.9754"
[3,] "Pakistani" "6.2983"
[4,] "GujaratiA_GIH" "6.4555"
[5,] "Brahmin-Tamil" "7.6969"
[6,] "GujaratiB_GIH" "7.7683"
[7,] "Jatt-Pahari" "8.2105"
[8,] "Jatt-Haryana" "8.3791"
[9,] "Kshatriya" "10.452"
[10,] "Vaish" "10.7356"

Then I ran that command and got this:

[1,] "GujaratiA_GIH" "6.4555"
[2,] "Brahmin-Tamil" "7.6969"
[3,] "GujaratiB_GIH" "7.7683"
[4,] "Brahmins_UP" "12.6861"
[5,] "Brahmins_Tamil" "13.2342"
[6,] "Cochin_Jew" "13.2412"
[7,] "GujaratiC_GIH" "15.6206"
[8,] "Burusho" "16.4075"
[9,] "Dharkars" "20.2249"
[10,] "GujaratiD_GIH" "20.6277"


[1,] "21.5% Afghan_Pushtun + 78.5% Brahmin-Tamil" "2.5382"
[2,] "12% Dutch + 88% GujaratiB_GIH" "2.8274"
[3,] "11.6% Austrian + 88.4% GujaratiB_GIH" "2.8431"
[4,] "88.2% GujaratiB_GIH + 11.8% Hungarian_Metspalu" "2.8467"
[5,] "11.2% Bulgarian + 88.8% GujaratiB_GIH" "2.8969"
[6,] "12.1% German + 87.9% GujaratiB_GIH" "2.9034"
[7,] "88.4% GujaratiB_GIH + 11.6% Hungarian_Coriell" "2.906"
[8,] "10.8% Ashkenazi_Jew + 89.2% GujaratiB_GIH" "2.9666"
[9,] "11.7% English + 88.3% GujaratiB_GIH" "2.9772"
[10,] "11.9% Czech + 88.1% GujaratiB_GIH" "2.9928"

Dimanto
09-13-2014, 12:44 AM
Well if I have to compare the two for myself and others with similar ancestry I'll have to discard your argument. However I've seen results from full Sicilians that are very accurate though, I don't understand why the oracle results are less than the Beta version for people of mixed Northern-Euro and Central/Southern-Italian/Sicilian descent ?
Only the older MDLP versions worked quite well for me personally and those newer ones all gave me Greek instead of S_Italian in Oracle.

I've never seen any better calculator for North-Dutch people though !! :beerchug: And I think many people will actually be content with it.

Vadim Verenich
09-13-2014, 12:54 AM
Well if I have to compare the two for myself and others with similar ancestry I'll have to discard your argument. However I've seen results from full Sicilians that are very accurate though, I don't understand why the oracle results are less than the Beta version for people of mixed Northern Euro and Central/Southern-Italian/Sicilian ?

I've never seen any better calculator for North-Dutch people though !! :beerchug:

Yes, this seems to be a loophole in K23b. For some reasons, it fails to give more or less acceptable predictions for "mixed" individuals of complex Northern/Western/Southern European admixtures.
Behold the results of an individiual with 50% English, 25% Italian and 25% Finnish ancestry

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_German ( ) 4.47
2 Dutch ( ) 4.62
3 South_German ( ) 4.66
4 Belgian ( ) 7.38
5 Austrian ( ) 7.42
6 English ( ) 8.04
7 Swede ( ) 8.89
8 German_East ( ) 9.84
9 German ( ) 9.86
10 North_European ( ) 10.29
11 Hungarian ( ) 11.21
12 English_Kent_GBR ( ) 11.37
13 Slovenian ( ) 11.52
14 English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) 12.21
15 Hungarian_Budapest ( ) 12.5
16 CEU ( ) 12.52
17 Welsh ( ) 13.15
18 Czech ( ) 13.22
19 Norwegian_Bergen ( ) 13.39
20 Icelandic ( ) 13.71

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 89.8% South_German ( ) + 10.2% Tajik_Yagnobi ( ) @ 2.56
2 90.3% South_German ( ) + 9.7% Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) @ 2.65
3 90.8% South_German ( ) + 9.2% Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) @ 2.68
4 73.1% Icelandic ( ) + 26.9% Azov_Greek ( ) @ 2.75
5 82.7% Icelandic ( ) + 17.3% Turk_Trabzon ( ) @ 2.77
6 73.6% Norwegian_Bergen ( ) + 26.4% Azov_Greek ( ) @ 2.83
7 91.8% South_German ( ) + 8.2% Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim ( ) @ 2.88
8 75.3% Icelandic ( ) + 24.7% Crimean_Tatar_Coast ( ) @ 2.88
9 85.4% Icelandic ( ) + 14.6% Georgian_Laz ( ) @ 2.91
10 83.1% Norwegian_Bergen ( ) + 16.9% Turk_Trabzon ( ) @ 2.94
11 83.4% North_European ( ) + 16.6% Kabardin ( ) @ 2.96
12 92.2% South_German ( ) + 7.8% Pashtun_Afghani ( ) @ 2.98
13 72.5% Norwegian_Bergen ( ) + 27.5% Turk_Istanbul ( ) @ 2.99
14 91.4% Dutch ( ) + 8.6% Turk_Kayseri ( ) @ 3
15 92.1% Dutch ( ) + 7.9% Uzbek_Tashkent ( ) @ 3.01
16 92.7% Dutch ( ) + 7.3% Iraqi_Jew ( ) @ 3.02
17 92.5% Dutch ( ) + 7.5% Kurd_Jew ( ) @ 3.03
18 92.2% Dutch ( ) + 7.8% Georgian_Jew ( ) @ 3.03
19 93.1% Dutch ( ) + 6.9% Jew_Tat ( ) @ 3.03
20 90.7% Dutch ( ) + 9.3% Turk_Adana ( ) @ 3.04

Oracle-4:

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 South_German @ 5.273524
2 Dutch @ 5.625817
3 English @ 6.671926
4 Belgian @ 7.039325
5 North_European @ 8.340024
6 Austrian @ 8.450972
7 North_German @ 8.739245
8 English_Kent_GBR @ 9.582507
9 CEU @ 9.677242
10 English_Cornwall_GBR @ 9.933514
11 German_East @ 9.938031
12 Welsh @ 10.232244
13 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 10.651714
14 Norwegian_Bergen @ 10.709296
15 Icelandic @ 11.312730
16 Orcadian @ 11.866689
17 Hungarian @ 12.150408
18 Hungarian_Budapest @ 12.183206
19 Swede @ 12.485815
20 Slovenian @ 12.538241

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Montenegrian +50% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 3.640328


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Orcadian +25% Ossetian_Russian +25% South_German @ 3.056089


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 1_LaBrana + 1_Skoglund_farmer + Chechen + Crimean_Tatar_Coast @ 1.989448
2 1_LaBrana + Chechen + Greek_Thessaly + Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS @ 2.194523
3 1_LaBrana + Abkhasian + Basque_French + Montenegrian @ 2.212000
4 1_LaBrana + Abkhasian + Basque_French + Macedonian @ 2.220616
5 1_LaBrana + Basque_French + Georgian_Svan + Montenegrian @ 2.244833
6 1_LaBrana + Basque_Spanish + Chechen + Greek_Peloponnesos @ 2.248581
7 1_LaBrana + Adygei + Greek_Thessaly + Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS @ 2.253814
8 1_Loschbour + Central_Greek + Chechen + Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS @ 2.268405
9 1_Motala_merge + Balkar + Basque_French + Central_Greek @ 2.295806
10 1_LaBrana + Adygei + Kosovar + Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS @ 2.299990
11 1_Skoglund_farmer + Azeri_Dagestan + Estonian + Ukrainian_West @ 2.305297
12 1_LaBrana + French + French_South + Georgian_Svan @ 2.305854
13 1_Motala12 + Balkar + Basque_French + Central_Greek @ 2.306162
14 1_LaBrana + Basque_French + Gagauz + Ossetian @ 2.308188
15 1_LaBrana + Chechen + French_South + Italian_Piedmont @ 2.327904
16 1_Loschbour + Central_Greek + Kumyk + Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS @ 2.328134
17 1_Motala_merge + Basque_French + Central_Greek + Ossetian @ 2.334326
18 1_Skoglund_farmer + Azeri_Dagestan + Latvian + Slovak @ 2.337797
19 1_Motala_merge + Adygei + Basque_French + Central_Greek @ 2.340183
20 1_Motala12 + Basque_French + Central_Greek + Ossetian @ 2.342071

Vadim Verenich
09-13-2014, 12:55 AM
This weirdness must be fixed

Sapporo
09-13-2014, 01:02 AM
Dr_McNinja, can you run my Gedmatch if you get a chance?

Dr_McNinja
09-13-2014, 01:02 AM
Dr_Mcninja, can you run my Gedmatch if you get a chance?Sure, PM me your kit #

Dimanto
09-13-2014, 01:21 AM
Typical Frisian results: (In the Beta version ''Dutch'' was on nr 2. ''Mixed Germanic'' nr 1. and now ''Belgian'' is on nr 1. which is unlikely for a Frisian but could be cause by very North-Dutch looking Belgian samples I think)


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 37.36
2 European_Early_Farmers 28.4
3 Caucasian 22.1
4 South_Central_Asian 6.05
5 Ancestral_Altaic 5.31
6 East_African 0.53
7 Austronesian 0.2
8 Archaic_African 0.04


Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Belgian ( ) 2.21
2 English ( ) 3.37
3 Dutch ( ) 4.36
4 English_Kent_GBR ( ) 5.16
5 North_European ( ) 5.47
6 South_German ( ) 5.71
7 English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) 6.13
8 North_German ( ) 6.55
9 CEU ( ) 7.06
10 Welsh ( ) 7.51
11 Swede ( ) 8.13
12 Norwegian_Bergen ( ) 9.34
13 French ( ) 9.89
14 Icelandic ( ) 9.98
15 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) 10.07
16 Orcadian ( ) 11.35
17 Austrian ( ) 12.02
18 British ( ) 12.08
19 German_East ( ) 13.57
20 German ( ) 14.85


Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 91.8% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 8.2% Chechen ( ) @ 1.38
2 87.4% English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) + 12.6% Ossetian_Russian ( ) @ 1.41
3 89.5% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 10.5% Stalskoe_Kumyk ( ) @ 1.41
4 91.1% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 8.9% Avar ( ) @ 1.43
5 91% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 9% Tabassaran ( ) @ 1.47
6 91.2% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 8.8% Lezgin ( ) @ 1.47
7 91.8% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 8.2% Kabardin ( ) @ 1.47
8 91.3% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 8.7% Kumyk ( ) @ 1.47
9 90.9% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 9.1% Dargin_Urkarah ( ) @ 1.48
10 90.9% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 9.1% Lak ( ) @ 1.49
11 92.3% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 7.7% North_Ossetian ( ) @ 1.5
12 92.2% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 7.8% Adygei ( ) @ 1.5
13 92.3% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 7.7% Balkar ( ) @ 1.51
14 88.9% Orcadian ( ) + 11.1% 1_Gokhem5 ( ) @ 1.52
15 89.3% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 10.7% Ossetian_Russian ( ) @ 1.54
16 92.6% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 7.4% Ossetian ( ) @ 1.54
17 90.9% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 9.1% Cirkassian ( ) @ 1.61
18 91.1% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 8.9% Azeri_Dagestan ( ) @ 1.64
19 92.1% CEU ( ) + 7.9% Georgian_Tbilisi ( ) @ 1.69
20 80.8% English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) + 19.2% Croat_BH ( ) @ 1.7



Using 1 population approximation:
1 Belgian @ 2.273598
2 English @ 2.759794
3 North_European @ 3.789591
4 English_Kent_GBR @ 4.200855
5 Dutch @ 4.300701
6 CEU @ 4.655750
7 English_Cornwall_GBR @ 5.022460
8 South_German @ 5.284872
9 Welsh @ 5.627813
10 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 6.334631
11 Norwegian_Bergen @ 6.594704
12 Orcadian @ 7.128027
13 Icelandic @ 7.562899
14 British @ 8.020226
15 North_German @ 8.377464
16 Austrian @ 10.635745
17 Swede @ 10.801608
18 French @ 11.596663
19 German_East @ 12.696554
20 Hungarian @ 14.515703


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Dutch +50% English_Kent_GBR @ 1.746349


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Dutch +25% English_Kent_GBR +25% English_Kent_GBR @ 1.746349


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Dutch + Dutch + English_Kent_GBR + English_Kent_GBR @ 1.746349
2 Belgian + Belgian + Dutch + English_Cornwall_GBR @ 1.789280
3 Dutch + Dutch + English_Cornwall_GBR + English_Kent_GBR @ 1.796757
4 Belgian + Belgian + Dutch + English_Kent_GBR @ 1.843542
5 Belgian + Dutch + Dutch + English_Cornwall_GBR @ 1.903960
6 Belgian + Belgian + Dutch + Welsh @ 1.909742
7 English_Cornwall_GBR + English_Cornwall_GBR + English_Cornwall_GBR + Slovenian @ 1.954491
8 Belgian + Dutch + English + English_Kent_GBR @ 1.954508
9 Belgian + Belgian + CEU + Dutch @ 1.967524
10 Dutch + Dutch + English_Cornwall_GBR + English_Cornwall_GBR @ 1.969422
11 Belgian + Dutch + English + English_Cornwall_GBR @ 1.980046
12 Belgian + Dutch + Dutch + English_Kent_GBR @ 1.989339
13 Dutch + English_Cornwall_GBR + English_Kent_GBR + South_German @ 1.990810
14 Dutch + Dutch + English_Kent_GBR + Welsh @ 2.002630
15 English_Cornwall_GBR + English_Cornwall_GBR + English_Cornwall_GBR + Hungarian @ 2.004150
16 Dutch + Dutch + Dutch + French @ 2.007110
17 Dutch + English_Cornwall_GBR + English_Cornwall_GBR + South_German @ 2.017059
18 Belgian + Dutch + English_Kent_GBR + English_Kent_GBR @ 2.028491
19 Belgian + Dutch + Dutch + Welsh @ 2.029931
20 Belgian + Dutch + English_Cornwall_GBR + South_German @ 2.064398

Sein
09-13-2014, 01:28 AM
My results:

1 South_Central_Asian 32.97
2 South_Indian 25.66
3 Caucasian 17.64
4 European_Hunters_Gatherers 7
5 Ancestral_Altaic 6.43
6 Near_East 3.81
7 Paleo_Siberian 1.51
8 Amerindian 1.13
9 East_Siberian 0.95
10 Austronesian 0.76
11 Tungus-Altaic 0.68
12 Melano_Polynesian 0.53
13 South_East_Asian 0.53
14 East_African 0.35
15 Archaic_African 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) 1.57
2 Pathan ( ) 10.63
3 Afghan_Pushtun ( ) 12.73
4 Pashtun_Afghani ( ) 12.78
5 Jatt_Pahari ( ) 12.94
6 Jatt_Haryana ( ) 13.55
7 Mumbai_Jew ( ) 15.35
8 Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim ( ) 15.38
9 Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) 16.98
10 Burusho ( ) 17.28
11 Cochin_Jew ( ) 17.63
12 Uzbek_Afghan ( ) 18.98
13 Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) 19.28
14 Tajik_Afghan ( ) 19.39
15 Jatt_Muslim ( ) 20.31
16 Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) 20.55
17 Parsi ( ) 20.58
18 Pakistani ( ) 21.27
19 Sindhi ( ) 22.39
20 GujaratiA_GIH ( ) 23.75

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 99% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 1% Georgian_Tbilisi ( ) @ 1.31
2 99% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 1% Georgian_Svan ( ) @ 1.31
3 98.9% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 1.1% Adjara ( ) @ 1.31
4 99% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 1% Georgian_Imereti ( ) @ 1.31
5 99.1% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 0.9% Georgian_Laz ( ) @ 1.32
6 99% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 1% Georgian_Megrelia ( ) @ 1.32
7 98.9% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 1.1% Abkhasian ( ) @ 1.32
8 99% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 1% Georgian ( ) @ 1.33
9 98.8% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 1.2% Ossetian ( ) @ 1.34
10 98.9% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 1.1% Kakheti ( ) @ 1.34
11 98.8% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 1.2% North_Ossetian ( ) @ 1.35
12 98.8% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 1.2% Balkar ( ) @ 1.35
13 98.8% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 1.2% Adygei ( ) @ 1.36
14 98.7% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 1.3% Chechen ( ) @ 1.36
15 98.7% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 1.3% Kabardin ( ) @ 1.36
16 99% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 1% Turk_Trabzon ( ) @ 1.37
17 98.5% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 1.5% Baku_WGA ( ) @ 1.37
18 99.3% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 0.7% 1_Gokhem5 ( ) @ 1.37
19 98.9% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 1.1% Armenian_Yerevan ( ) @ 1.38
20 98.5% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 1.5% Avar ( ) @ 1.38

It's pretty cool to see these Pamiri populations in the oracle.

I really like this calculator. The only anomalous result is my "South Indian" score. Usually, I range between 18%-22%. It never gets lower than 18%, and it never gets higher than 22%. If this was a systematic phenomenon, I wouldn't be surprised. Yet, most of the other participants have "South Indian" scores comparable to their HarappaWorld percentages, myself being the only exception. Also, the Mumbai Jews have never been this close (I lack their Mediterranean and Southwest Asian shift).

bol_nat
09-13-2014, 01:31 AM
My results:

1 South_Central_Asian 32.97
2 South_Indian 25.66
3 Caucasian 17.64
4 European_Hunters_Gatherers 7
5 Ancestral_Altaic 6.43
6 Near_East 3.81
7 Paleo_Siberian 1.51
8 Amerindian 1.13
9 East_Siberian 0.95
10 Austronesian 0.76
11 Tungus-Altaic 0.68
12 Melano_Polynesian 0.53
13 South_East_Asian 0.53
14 East_African 0.35
15 Archaic_African 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) 1.57
2 Pathan ( ) 10.63
3 Afghan_Pushtun ( ) 12.73
4 Pashtun_Afghani ( ) 12.78
5 Jatt_Pahari ( ) 12.94
6 Jatt_Haryana ( ) 13.55
7 Mumbai_Jew ( ) 15.35
8 Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim ( ) 15.38
9 Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) 16.98
10 Burusho ( ) 17.28
11 Cochin_Jew ( ) 17.63
12 Uzbek_Afghan ( ) 18.98
13 Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) 19.28
14 Tajik_Afghan ( ) 19.39
15 Jatt_Muslim ( ) 20.31
16 Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) 20.55
17 Parsi ( ) 20.58
18 Pakistani ( ) 21.27
19 Sindhi ( ) 22.39
20 GujaratiA_GIH ( ) 23.75

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 99% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 1% Georgian_Tbilisi ( ) @ 1.31
2 99% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 1% Georgian_Svan ( ) @ 1.31
3 98.9% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 1.1% Adjara ( ) @ 1.31
4 99% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 1% Georgian_Imereti ( ) @ 1.31
5 99.1% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 0.9% Georgian_Laz ( ) @ 1.32
6 99% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 1% Georgian_Megrelia ( ) @ 1.32
7 98.9% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 1.1% Abkhasian ( ) @ 1.32
8 99% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 1% Georgian ( ) @ 1.33
9 98.8% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 1.2% Ossetian ( ) @ 1.34
10 98.9% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 1.1% Kakheti ( ) @ 1.34
11 98.8% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 1.2% North_Ossetian ( ) @ 1.35
12 98.8% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 1.2% Balkar ( ) @ 1.35
13 98.8% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 1.2% Adygei ( ) @ 1.36
14 98.7% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 1.3% Chechen ( ) @ 1.36
15 98.7% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 1.3% Kabardin ( ) @ 1.36
16 99% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 1% Turk_Trabzon ( ) @ 1.37
17 98.5% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 1.5% Baku_WGA ( ) @ 1.37
18 99.3% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 0.7% 1_Gokhem5 ( ) @ 1.37
19 98.9% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 1.1% Armenian_Yerevan ( ) @ 1.38
20 98.5% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 1.5% Avar ( ) @ 1.38

It's pretty cool to see these Pamiri populations in the oracle.

I really like this calculator. The only anomalous result is my "South Indian" score. Usually, I range between 18%-22%. It never gets lower than 18%, and it never gets higher than 22%. If this was a systematic phenomenon, I wouldn't be surprised. Yet, most of the other participants have "South Indian" scores comparable to their HarappaWorld percentages, myself being the only exception. Also, the Mumbai Jews have never been this close (I lack their Mediterranean and Southwest Asian shift).

My s indian is about 3% higher in this calc then harappadna.

Dr_McNinja
09-13-2014, 01:31 AM
My results:

1 South_Central_Asian 32.97
2 South_Indian 25.66
3 Caucasian 17.64
4 European_Hunters_Gatherers 7
5 Ancestral_Altaic 6.43
6 Near_East 3.81
7 Paleo_Siberian 1.51
8 Amerindian 1.13
9 East_Siberian 0.95
10 Austronesian 0.76
11 Tungus-Altaic 0.68
12 Melano_Polynesian 0.53
13 South_East_Asian 0.53
14 East_African 0.35
15 Archaic_African 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) 1.57
2 Pathan ( ) 10.63
3 Afghan_Pushtun ( ) 12.73
4 Pashtun_Afghani ( ) 12.78
5 Jatt_Pahari ( ) 12.94
6 Jatt_Haryana ( ) 13.55
7 Mumbai_Jew ( ) 15.35
8 Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim ( ) 15.38
9 Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) 16.98
10 Burusho ( ) 17.28
11 Cochin_Jew ( ) 17.63
12 Uzbek_Afghan ( ) 18.98
13 Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) 19.28
14 Tajik_Afghan ( ) 19.39
15 Jatt_Muslim ( ) 20.31
16 Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) 20.55
17 Parsi ( ) 20.58
18 Pakistani ( ) 21.27
19 Sindhi ( ) 22.39
20 GujaratiA_GIH ( ) 23.75

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 99% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 1% Georgian_Tbilisi ( ) @ 1.31
2 99% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 1% Georgian_Svan ( ) @ 1.31
3 98.9% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 1.1% Adjara ( ) @ 1.31
4 99% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 1% Georgian_Imereti ( ) @ 1.31
5 99.1% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 0.9% Georgian_Laz ( ) @ 1.32
6 99% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 1% Georgian_Megrelia ( ) @ 1.32
7 98.9% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 1.1% Abkhasian ( ) @ 1.32
8 99% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 1% Georgian ( ) @ 1.33
9 98.8% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 1.2% Ossetian ( ) @ 1.34
10 98.9% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 1.1% Kakheti ( ) @ 1.34
11 98.8% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 1.2% North_Ossetian ( ) @ 1.35
12 98.8% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 1.2% Balkar ( ) @ 1.35
13 98.8% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 1.2% Adygei ( ) @ 1.36
14 98.7% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 1.3% Chechen ( ) @ 1.36
15 98.7% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 1.3% Kabardin ( ) @ 1.36
16 99% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 1% Turk_Trabzon ( ) @ 1.37
17 98.5% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 1.5% Baku_WGA ( ) @ 1.37
18 99.3% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 0.7% 1_Gokhem5 ( ) @ 1.37
19 98.9% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 1.1% Armenian_Yerevan ( ) @ 1.38
20 98.5% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 1.5% Avar ( ) @ 1.38

It's pretty cool to see these Pamiri populations in the oracle.

I really like this calculator. The only anomalous result is my "South Indian" score. Usually, I range between 18%-22%. It never gets lower than 18%, and it never gets higher than 22%. If this was a systematic phenomenon, I wouldn't be surprised. Yet, most of the other participants have "South Indian" scores comparable to their HarappaWorld percentages, myself being the only exception. Also, the Mumbai Jews have never been this close (I lack their Mediterranean and Southwest Asian shift).25% matches the "predicted" S-Indian from the K7 ANE calculator:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuXBmvmgdkfVdFMtRHVlZDBuQ3lMcjhxMDE4V3JoY lE&usp=drive_web#gid=22

S-Indian's a volatile component because it's a hybrid, I wouldn't worry too much about fluctuations in it, although it can throw the Oracles off because they aren't consistent.

It boosted mine to 38%, well off from my predicted, but 1-2% higher than DIYHarappa.

Scarlet Ibis
09-13-2014, 02:01 AM
I'd say the Oracle 4 results from gedmatch, using my AncestryDNA data, look pretty good. I get a rather similar 3 & 4 population result from the EUTest.

# Population Percent
1 Tungus-Altaic 19.90
2 South_East_Asian 19.44
3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 18.67
4 European_Early_Farmers 14.55
5 Caucasian 10.20
6 Austronesian 9.16
7 East_Siberian 2.12
8 Ancestral_Altaic 2.05
9 South_Central_Asian 1.71
10 Amerindian 1.64


Using 1 population approximation:
1 Karakalpak @ 24.918869

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Belgian +50% Korean @ 3.273059

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Korean +25% Russian_Vologda +25% Spanish_Cantabria_IBS @ 3.218111

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 French_South + Korean + Korean + Russian_Vologda @ 2.774458

Dr_McNinja
09-13-2014, 02:02 AM
Sapporo's GEDmatch:

Population
Amerindian 0.39%
Ancestral_Altaic 5.84%
South_Central_Asian 37.65%
Arctic 0.80%
South_Indian 32.08%
Australoid -
Austronesian -
Caucasian 10.84%
Archaic_Human -
East_African -
East_Siberian 1.43%
European_Early_Farmers -
Khoisan -
Melano_Polynesian 0.48%
Archaic_African -
Near_East 0.55%
North_African 0.71%
Paleo_Siberian 0.73%
African_Pygmy -
South_East_Asian -
Subsaharian -
Tungus-Altaic -
European_Hunters_Gatherers 8.48%

ingle Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Jatt_Pahari ( ) 4.13
2 Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) 5.04
3 Jatt_Haryana ( ) 7.22
4 Pakistani ( ) 8.05
5 Pathan ( ) 8.3
6 Jatt_Muslim ( ) 8.56
7 GujaratiA_GIH ( ) 9.88
8 Burusho ( ) 10.03
9 Sindhi ( ) 10.28
10 Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) 13.72
11 Tiwari ( ) 15.55
12 GujaratiB_GIH ( ) 16.91
13 Cochin_Jew ( ) 18
14 Mumbai_Jew ( ) 18.84
15 Brahmin_Tamil ( ) 20.18
16 Vaish ( ) 21.08
17 Kshatriya ( ) 21.09
18 Pashtun_Afghani ( ) 22.33
19 TN_Brahmin ( ) 23.24
20 Brahmins_UP ( ) 23.29

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 65.8% Pathan ( ) + 34.2% Tiwari ( ) @ 2.13
2 72.4% Pathan ( ) + 27.6% Kshatriya ( ) @ 2.2
3 74.4% Pathan ( ) + 25.6% Brahmins_UP ( ) @ 2.23
4 79.9% Pathan ( ) + 20.1% Dharkar ( ) @ 2.24
5 72.4% Pathan ( ) + 27.6% Vaish ( ) @ 2.27
6 79% Pakistani ( ) + 21% Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) @ 2.27
7 81.1% Pathan ( ) + 18.9% Kanjar ( ) @ 2.27
8 75.6% Pakistani ( ) + 24.4% Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim ( ) @ 2.28
9 80% Pathan ( ) + 20% Srivastava ( ) @ 2.29
10 67.7% Pathan ( ) + 32.3% GujaratiB_GIH ( ) @ 2.3
11 78.5% Pathan ( ) + 21.5% Punjabi_Lahore_PJL ( ) @ 2.34
12 76.5% Pathan ( ) + 23.5% GujaratiC_GIH ( ) @ 2.34
13 84.5% Pathan ( ) + 15.5% Scheduled_Caste_UP ( ) @ 2.38
14 74.4% Pathan ( ) + 25.6% TN_Brahmin ( ) @ 2.38
15 84.6% Pathan ( ) + 15.4% Dusadh ( ) @ 2.38
16 83.9% Pathan ( ) + 16.1% Lodhi ( ) @ 2.39
17 84.6% Pathan ( ) + 15.4% Scheduled_Caste_Tamil_Nadu ( ) @ 2.4
18 80.1% Pakistani ( ) + 19.9% Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) @ 2.42
19 83.5% Pathan ( ) + 16.5% Piramalai_Kallar ( ) @ 2.42
20 71.6% Pathan ( ) + 28.4% Brahmin_Tamil ( ) @ 2.44

Tįltos
09-13-2014, 02:15 AM
My K23b results.
FTDNA:
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 39.03
2 Caucasian 26.98
3 European_Early_Farmers 18.56
4 South_Central_Asian 4.7
5 Ancestral_Altaic 3.3
6 Near_East 3.11
7 North_African 2.72
8 Melano_Polynesian 0.75
9 Arctic 0.46
10 African_Pygmy 0.29
11 Archaic_Human 0.09

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Austrian ( ) 3.56
2 Hungarian ( ) 3.74
3 Slovenian ( ) 4.21
4 Hungarian_Budapest ( ) 4.66
5 Czech ( ) 5.48
6 German ( ) 6.14
7 Slovak ( ) 6.46
8 German_East ( ) 7.38
9 Sorb ( ) 8.93
10 Pole_South_East ( ) 9.49
11 South_German ( ) 9.75
12 North_German ( ) 9.84
13 Croat ( ) 11.11
14 Bosnian ( ) 11.23
15 Serb_BH ( ) 11.25
16 Dutch ( ) 11.26
17 Ukrainian_West ( ) 11.96
18 Croat_BH ( ) 12.06
19 Montenegrian ( ) 12.17
20 Pole_Mazowia ( ) 12.98

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 92.9% Austrian ( ) + 7.1% Lak ( ) @ 2.01
2 93% Austrian ( ) + 7% Dargin_Urkarah ( ) @ 2.02
3 76.2% German ( ) + 23.8% Sicilian_Trapani ( ) @ 2.03
4 77.3% German ( ) + 22.7% Sicilian_West ( ) @ 2.04
5 91.7% Austrian ( ) + 8.3% Iranian ( ) @ 2.07
6 75.6% German ( ) + 24.4% Maltese ( ) @ 2.1
7 93.2% Austrian ( ) + 6.8% Tabassaran ( ) @ 2.11
8 93.4% Austrian ( ) + 6.6% Avar ( ) @ 2.12
9 93.4% Austrian ( ) + 6.6% Lezgin ( ) @ 2.12
10 78.3% German ( ) + 21.7% Sicilian_Agrigento ( ) @ 2.14
11 92.5% Austrian ( ) + 7.5% Kurd ( ) @ 2.15
12 90.4% Austrian ( ) + 9.6% Iraki ( ) @ 2.18
13 92.1% Austrian ( ) + 7.9% Azeri ( ) @ 2.19
14 93.1% Austrian ( ) + 6.9% Baku_WGA ( ) @ 2.19
15 79% German ( ) + 21% French_Jew ( ) @ 2.2
16 93.4% Austrian ( ) + 6.6% Azeri_Dagestan ( ) @ 2.22
17 73% Hungarian_Budapest ( ) + 27% Dutch ( ) @ 2.23
18 92% Austrian ( ) + 8% Stalskoe_Kumyk ( ) @ 2.23
19 92.8% Austrian ( ) + 7.2% Uzbek_Tashkent ( ) @ 2.27
20 92.3% Austrian ( ) + 7.7% Tajik_Yagnobi ( ) @ 2.29

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Ashkenazi_Jew + Dutch + Dutch + Lithuanian @ 0.927510
2 Ashkenazi_Jew + Belarusian + Dutch + Swede @ 0.968030
3 Dutch + Greek + Icelandic + Kuban_cossack @ 1.082171
4 Ashkenazi_Jew + Belarusian_East + Dutch + Swede @ 1.105568
5 Ashkenazi_Jew + Dutch + Pole + Swede @ 1.118167
6 English + Greek_Macedonia + Icelandic + Kuban_cossack @ 1.146037
7 Dutch + Greek + Kuban_cossack + Norwegian_Bergen @ 1.169276
8 Belarusian_East + Dutch + Sicilian_Siracusa + Swede @ 1.180048
9 Ashkenazi_Jew + Belarusian_South + Dutch + Swede @ 1.184080
10 Dutch + French_Jew + Lithuanian + Swede @ 1.200901
11 Ashkenazi_Jew + Dutch + Russian_Center + Swede @ 1.202936
12 Dutch + Greek_Athens + Icelandic + Kuban_cossack @ 1.207998
13 Dutch + Greek_Macedonia + Kuban_cossack + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 1.223012
14 Ashkenazi_Jew + Dutch + Swede + Ukrainian_East @ 1.227629
15 Ashkenazi_Jew + Dutch + Dutch + Latvian @ 1.227915
16 Ashkenazi_Jew + Dutch + Russian_South + Swede @ 1.238501
17 Ashkenazi_Jew + Dutch + Latvian + North_German @ 1.265222
18 Ashkenazi_Jew + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + Sorb + Sorb @ 1.282618
19 English + Greek_Macedonia + Kuban_cossack + Norwegian_Bergen @ 1.286267
20 Dutch + Russian_Center + Sicilian_Siracusa + Swede @ 1.289606


23andme:

1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 38.55
2 Caucasian 28.32
3 European_Early_Farmers 18.97
4 South_Central_Asian 5.27
5 Near_East 3.19
6 North_African 2.07
7 Ancestral_Altaic 2.06
8 Melano_Polynesian 1
9 Arctic 0.33
10 Archaic_Human 0.15
11 African_Pygmy 0.1

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Slovenian ( ) 3.36
2 Hungarian ( ) 3.37
3 Hungarian_Budapest ( ) 3.61
4 Austrian ( ) 4.65
5 Czech ( ) 5.33
6 Slovak ( ) 6.66
7 German ( ) 8.15
8 German_East ( ) 9.03
9 Croat ( ) 9.15
10 Serb_BH ( ) 9.24
11 Bosnian ( ) 9.34
12 Sorb ( ) 9.49
13 Montenegrian ( ) 9.94
14 Croat_BH ( ) 10.25
15 Pole_South_East ( ) 10.34
16 South_German ( ) 10.72
17 Ukrainian_West ( ) 11.56
18 North_German ( ) 11.57
19 Serb_Serbia ( ) 11.73
20 Bulgarian ( ) 12.38

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 88.6% Austrian ( ) + 11.4% Uzbek_Tashkent ( ) @ 1.6
2 89.9% Austrian ( ) + 10.1% Kumyk ( ) @ 1.61
3 89.7% Austrian ( ) + 10.3% Azeri_Dagestan ( ) @ 1.67
4 87.9% Austrian ( ) + 12.1% Azeri ( ) @ 1.69
5 90.5% Austrian ( ) + 9.5% Kabardin ( ) @ 1.7
6 88.9% Austrian ( ) + 11.1% Uzbekistani_Jew ( ) @ 1.72
7 90.7% Austrian ( ) + 9.3% Chechen ( ) @ 1.73
8 86.7% Austrian ( ) + 13.3% Turk ( ) @ 1.73
9 89.4% Austrian ( ) + 10.6% Baku_WGA ( ) @ 1.74
10 88.7% Austrian ( ) + 11.3% Kurd ( ) @ 1.78
11 88.5% Austrian ( ) + 11.5% Georgian_Jew ( ) @ 1.79
12 90% Austrian ( ) + 10% Lezgin ( ) @ 1.79
13 86% Austrian ( ) + 14% Turk_Adana ( ) @ 1.79
14 87.3% Austrian ( ) + 12.7% Turk_Kayseri ( ) @ 1.8
15 89.8% Austrian ( ) + 10.2% Tabassaran ( ) @ 1.81
16 91.9% Austrian ( ) + 8.1% Ossetian ( ) @ 1.82
17 91.3% Austrian ( ) + 8.7% Adygei ( ) @ 1.83
18 90.1% Austrian ( ) + 9.9% Avar ( ) @ 1.87
19 89.2% Austrian ( ) + 10.8% Kurd_Jew ( ) @ 1.87
20 89.5% Austrian ( ) + 10.5% Cirkassian ( ) @ 1.87


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 1_Loschbour + Austrian + Georgian_Laz + Spanish_Extremadura_IBS @ 1.088448
2 1_Loschbour + Austrian + Georgian_Laz + Spaniard @ 1.109259
3 1_Loschbour + Austrian + Georgian_Laz + Spanish_Galicia_IBS @ 1.123040
4 1_LaBrana + Georgian_Laz + Hungarian + Spanish_Castilla_la_Mancha_IBS @ 1.180413
5 1_LaBrana + Adjara + Russian_South + Sardinian @ 1.198601
6 1_Loschbour + Georgian_Laz + Hungarian + Spanish_Andalucia_IBS @ 1.202693
7 Azov_Greek + Latvian + Pole_Mazowia + Spanish_Aragon_IBS @ 1.229099
8 1_LBK380 + 1_Motala12 + Adygei + Croat_BH @ 1.230438
9 1_LBK380 + 1_Motala_merge + Adygei + Croat_BH @ 1.232147
10 Azov_Greek + Latvian + Pole_Mazowia + Spanish_Cantabria_IBS @ 1.238196
11 1_LaBrana + Austrian + Georgian_Laz + Spanish_Valencia_IBS @ 1.251171
12 1_Motala12 + Adjara + Sardinian + Ukrainian_West @ 1.255493
13 1_LaBrana + Croat + Georgian_Laz + Spanish_Aragon_IBS @ 1.257372
14 1_Motala_merge + Adjara + Sardinian + Ukrainian_West @ 1.264141
15 1_Loschbour + Georgian_Laz + Hungarian + Spanish_Murcia_IBS @ 1.267760
16 1_LaBrana + Austrian + Georgian_Laz + Spanish_Andalucia_IBS @ 1.284465
17 1_Loschbour + Greek_Athens + Italian_Bergamo + Ossetian_Russian @ 1.298597
18 Belarusian_East + English + Greek_Athens + North_German @ 1.311678
19 1_LaBrana + Adjara + Sardinian + Ukrainian_East @ 1.320320
20 1_LaBrana + Georgian_Laz + Hungarian_Budapest + Spanish_Castilla_la_Mancha_IBS @ 1.320404

Salkin
09-13-2014, 02:40 AM
MDLP K23b Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 42.72
2 European_Early_Farmers 24.55
3 Caucasian 20.06
4 Ancestral_Altaic 5.91
5 South_Central_Asian 3.02
6 North_African 0.98
7 Arctic 0.89
8 Melano_Polynesian 0.74
9 South_Indian 0.51
10 Amerindian 0.47
11 Archaic_Human 0.13

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Swede ( ) 3.26
2 Dutch ( ) 4.91
3 English ( ) 5.32
4 North_German ( ) 5.34
5 Belgian ( ) 5.5
6 North_European ( ) 5.77
7 Norwegian_Bergen ( ) 7.48
8 Icelandic ( ) 7.86
9 English_Kent_GBR ( ) 7.89
10 South_German ( ) 8.03
11 CEU ( ) 8.1
12 English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) 8.44
13 Welsh ( ) 9.26
14 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) 10
15 Orcadian ( ) 11.12
16 German_East ( ) 11.98
17 Finn_West ( ) 12.05
18 Austrian ( ) 12.18
19 British ( ) 12.28
20 German ( ) 12.49

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 60.8% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 39.2% Finn_West ( ) @ 1.86
2 60.9% British ( ) + 39.1% Pole_South_East ( ) @ 2.02
3 52.7% Finn_West ( ) + 47.3% French ( ) @ 2.11
4 67.2% Swede ( ) + 32.8% Belgian ( ) @ 2.11
5 69% British ( ) + 31% Ukrainian_Russian ( ) @ 2.19
6 71.1% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 28.9% Finnish_FIN ( ) @ 2.21
7 77% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 23% Vepsa ( ) @ 2.27
8 89.8% Belgian ( ) + 10.2% 1_Motala12 ( ) @ 2.31
9 89.8% Belgian ( ) + 10.2% 1_Motala_merge ( ) @ 2.31
10 89.8% Belgian ( ) + 10.2% 1_Ire8 ( ) @ 2.34
11 89.9% Belgian ( ) + 10.1% 1_Ajvide52 ( ) @ 2.35
12 89.9% Belgian ( ) + 10.1% 1_Ajvide70 ( ) @ 2.35
13 86.9% Belgian ( ) + 13.1% 1_Ajvide59 ( ) @ 2.37
14 90.3% Swede ( ) + 9.7% Italian_Bergamo ( ) @ 2.37
15 71.3% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 28.7% Finn_East ( ) @ 2.37
16 59.3% English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) + 40.7% Finn_West ( ) @ 2.38
17 73.8% English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) + 26.2% Estonian ( ) @ 2.38
18 94.8% Swede ( ) + 5.2% 1_LBK380 ( ) @ 2.4
19 70.8% British ( ) + 29.2% Russian_South ( ) @ 2.41
20 70.3% British ( ) + 29.7% Belarusian_Russian ( ) @ 2.42

Vadim Verenich
09-13-2014, 02:44 AM
My K23b results.


Do your k23 results differ from the rest of calculators?

Tįltos
09-13-2014, 02:48 AM
Here are my Mom's.
1 Caucasian 31.6
2 European_Hunters_Gatherers 24.32
3 European_Early_Farmers 23.26
4 South_Central_Asian 7.27
5 Near_East 7.17
6 North_African 3.19
7 Ancestral_Altaic 2.68
8 Archaic_African 0.24
9 Melano_Polynesian 0.24
10 Archaic_Human 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Montenegrian ( ) 8.05
2 Bulgarian ( ) 8.95
3 Sicilian_Trapani ( ) 9.58
4 Maltese ( ) 9.64
5 Macedonian ( ) 9.84
6 Serb_BH ( ) 9.87
7 Croat ( ) 10.03
8 Serb_Serbia ( ) 10.07
9 Slovenian ( ) 10.3
10 Hungarian_Budapest ( ) 10.33
11 Sicilian_West ( ) 10.33
12 Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) 10.42
13 Kosovar ( ) 10.44
14 Italian_Abruzzo ( ) 10.49
15 Hungarian ( ) 10.58
16 Bosnian ( ) 10.61
17 Italian_Tuscan ( ) 10.89
18 Austrian ( ) 10.89
19 Sicilian_Siracusa ( ) 11.6
20 Croat_BH ( ) 11.64

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 56.3% English ( ) + 43.7% Cypriot ( ) @ 1.23
2 55.2% Cretan ( ) + 44.8% Icelandic ( ) @ 1.31
3 54.8% Cretan ( ) + 45.2% Norwegian_Bergen ( ) @ 1.48
4 55.7% Cretan ( ) + 44.3% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) @ 1.59
5 53.4% North_European ( ) + 46.6% Cypriot ( ) @ 1.59
6 52% English ( ) + 48% Cretan ( ) @ 1.64
7 60% Dutch ( ) + 40% Cypriot ( ) @ 1.76
8 50.5% Cypriot ( ) + 49.5% Norwegian_Bergen ( ) @ 1.87
9 51.4% Cypriot ( ) + 48.6% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) @ 1.88
10 52.4% Greek_Smyrna ( ) + 47.6% Swede ( ) @ 1.88
11 57.4% Greek_Smyrna ( ) + 42.6% Icelandic ( ) @ 1.89
12 50.9% Cretan ( ) + 49.1% North_European ( ) @ 1.9
13 53.6% Dutch ( ) + 46.4% Greek_Smyrna ( ) @ 1.9
14 55.8% Dutch ( ) + 44.2% Cretan ( ) @ 1.91
15 50.9% Cypriot ( ) + 49.1% Icelandic ( ) @ 1.97
16 58.3% Belgian ( ) + 41.7% Cypriot ( ) @ 1.98
17 57% Cretan ( ) + 43% Orcadian ( ) @ 2
18 51.3% CEU ( ) + 48.7% Cypriot ( ) @ 2.03
19 64.9% South_German ( ) + 35.1% Cypriot ( ) @ 2.04
20 54.2% North_German ( ) + 45.8% Greek_Smyrna ( ) @ 2.06

1 Kosovar @ 7.661864
2 Greek_Thessaloniki @ 8.922091
3 Bulgarian @ 9.108191
4 Albanian_Tirana @ 9.992571
5 Greek_Thessaly @ 10.152732
6 Macedonian @ 10.885560
7 Greek_Peloponnesos @ 11.311514
8 Central_Greek @ 11.586866
9 Romanian @ 11.756851
10 Gagauz @ 12.016569
11 Montenegrian @ 12.090311
12 Italian_Tuscan @ 12.644706
13 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain @ 13.282515
14 Italian_Piedmont @ 13.421211
15 Greek @ 14.004519
16 Ashkenazi_Jew @ 14.148755
17 Serb_Serbia @ 14.172029
18 Greek_Macedonia @ 14.221641
19 Italian_Abruzzo @ 14.864946
20 Sicilian_Siracusa @ 15.104621

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Cretan +50% Norwegian_Bergen @ 2.113297


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% English +25% Kosovar +25% Lebanese_Druze @ 1.127208


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Croat + English_Kent_GBR + Iranian_Jew + Italian_Bergamo @ 1.018074
2 1_LBK380 + Dutch + Ukrainian_Center + Uzbekistani_Jew @ 1.022033
3 Assyrian_Arzni + Italian_Abruzzo + Latvian + Spanish_Aragon_IBS @ 1.076329
4 1_LBK380 + Dutch + Russian_South + Uzbekistani_Jew @ 1.079630
5 Bosnian + English_Kent_GBR + Iranian_Jew + Italian_Bergamo @ 1.107667
6 Greek_Thessaly + Sorb + Spanish_Valencia_IBS + Uzbekistani_Jew @ 1.115366
7 English + English + Kosovar + Lebanese_Druze @ 1.127208
8 Greek_Thessaly + Sorb + Spanish_Castilla_la_Mancha_IBS + Uzbekistani_Jew @ 1.135812
9 1_LBK380 + Dutch + Ukrainian_East + Uzbekistani_Jew @ 1.143767
10 English_Kent_GBR + Iranian_Jew + Italian_Bergamo + Serb_BH @ 1.155644
11 Croat + English_Cornwall_GBR + Iranian_Jew + Italian_Bergamo @ 1.176606
12 Greek_Thessaly + Pole_South_East + Spanish_Castilla_la_Mancha_IBS + Uzbekistani_Jew @ 1.181372
13 1_LBK380 + Dutch + Iranian_Jew + Russian_South @ 1.202870
14 Greek_Thessaly + Pole_South_East + Spanish_Valencia_IBS + Uzbekistani_Jew @ 1.205195
15 Albanian_Tirana + English + English_Kent_GBR + Iraqi_Jew @ 1.205548
16 English + Greek_Thessaloniki + Lebanese_Druze + Welsh @ 1.209173
17 Dutch + Dutch + Italian_Tuscan + Lebanese_Druze @ 1.209235
18 Greek_Thessaly + Sorb + Spanish_Aragon_IBS + Uzbekistani_Jew @ 1.209559
19 Greek_Thessaly + Sorb + Spanish_Cantabria_IBS + Uzbekistani_Jew @ 1.210197
20 1_LBK380 + Dutch + Ukrainian_Russian + Uzbekistani_Jew @ 1.214827

Tįltos
09-13-2014, 02:50 AM
Vadim,
Who is this 1_LBK380?

Humanist
09-13-2014, 03:04 AM
[I]t's hard work and I appreciate what you guys do !

Yes. Certainly is. Thank you, Vadim.

Sein
09-13-2014, 03:05 AM
Vadim,

You have an exceedingly impressive data-set, filled with many highly sought after populations and ancient samples. Have you ever looked into attempting other analyses, besides ADMIXTURE? Perhaps formal methods (D-statistics, f3 statistics, shared drift, etc), or ChromoPainter/fineSTRUCTURE, or even just regional PCA plots?

David Mc
09-13-2014, 03:06 AM
Hi Vadim. Sorry, you may have answered this earlier on, but what exactly does North_European (under population sharing) signify? I'm assuming it's from a modern reference population, but I'm just not sure of the area covered. Thank you.

Tįltos
09-13-2014, 03:09 AM
Do your k23 results differ from the rest of calculators?
I think with the FTDNA data, it looks pretty similar. The 23andme the main components compared to the FTDNA looks similar, but the pops that show up compared to the FTDNA seem much different. But overall I do seem to get some of these groups in other Oracles on Gedmatch with both FTDNA and 23andme. Such as Kumyk, Georgian Jew, Uzbekistan Jew,Tabassaran, Dargin. But not on a consistent basis.

The Kurd is new for me, Tajik, as is just Iranian. Usually my oracles show Iranian Jew, or Iraqi Jew. In the single population sharing you now have me looking like an Austrian and not a Hungarian. :) But your MDLP World 22 was also the only one that had my top single sharing pop different from Hungarian. In that one I was a Bosnian, and it has the lowest distance out of any of the other calculators that I have seen. It was only 2. something. Gedmatch is acting up right now so I can't double check. That one was with my FTDNA data.

Vadim Verenich
09-13-2014, 03:10 AM
Hi Vadim. Sorry, you may have answered this earlier on, but what exactly does North_European (under population sharing) signify? I'm assuming it's from a modern reference population, but I'm just not sure of the area covered. Thank you.

North_European is just a designation of North_European samples from Xing et al. (2009)

ZephyrousMandaru
09-13-2014, 03:23 AM
Vadim, would it be possible for you to add Iraqi Mandaeans to K23b?

Vadim Verenich
09-13-2014, 03:24 AM
I'll add them all

Humanist
09-13-2014, 04:13 AM
Vadim, would it be possible for you to add Iraqi Mandaeans to K23b?

Also, it would be great to have actual Assyrian samples included in the admix runs, no?

Vadim, Assyrians have never been included in any studies. But, I am sure Zephyrous would send you his data. And, I would be willing to do the same. I can also send you the genomes for the two Iraqi Mandaeans if you would like. The same thing applies to them. There are no published autosomal samples available for them.

Dr_McNinja
09-13-2014, 04:22 AM
I made a sheet just for the South Asian GEDmatch K23b: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuXBmvmgdkfVdFMtRHVlZDBuQ3lMcjhxMDE4V3JoY lE&usp=drive_web#gid=23

There are latitude/longitude coordinates for those interested.

GEDmatch has constantly been busy tonight so tomorrow morning I'll try updating some of the other folks (as many as I have in the ANE K7 gedmatch).

Sein
09-13-2014, 04:35 AM
This is the fun part:

Mom, 75% Afghan Pashtun+25% Pakistani Pashtun

1 South_Central_Asian 36.35
2 South_Indian 29.48
3 Caucasian 15.82
4 European_Hunters_Gatherers 6.9
5 Ancestral_Altaic 6
6 Near_East 2.83
7 Tungus-Altaic 1.09
8 East_Siberian 0.96
9 Amerindian 0.41
10 Australoid 0.16

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) 5.98
2 Pathan ( ) 7.1
3 Jatt_Pahari ( ) 7.72
4 Jatt_Haryana ( ) 10.02
5 Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) 11.34
6 Burusho ( ) 14.4
7 Mumbai_Jew ( ) 14.92
8 Jatt_Muslim ( ) 15.55
9 Pakistani ( ) 15.73
10 Pashtun_Afghani ( ) 16.24
11 Cochin_Jew ( ) 16.56
12 Afghan_Pushtun ( ) 17.21
13 Sindhi ( ) 17.47
14 GujaratiA_GIH ( ) 18.6
15 Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim ( ) 18.97
16 Tiwari ( ) 22.43
17 Uzbek_Afghan ( ) 23.32
18 Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) 23.57
19 Tajik_Afghan ( ) 24.24
20 GujaratiB_GIH ( ) 24.26

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 77.8% Pakistani ( ) + 22.2% Lak ( ) @ 2.35
2 77.7% Pakistani ( ) + 22.3% Dargin_Urkarah ( ) @ 2.4
3 78.5% Pakistani ( ) + 21.5% Lezgin ( ) @ 2.45
4 78.4% Pakistani ( ) + 21.6% Avar ( ) @ 2.48
5 78.1% Pakistani ( ) + 21.9% Tabassaran ( ) @ 2.66
6 78.7% Pakistani ( ) + 21.3% Azeri_Dagestan ( ) @ 2.71
7 77.9% Pakistani ( ) + 22.1% Baku_WGA ( ) @ 2.79
8 67.7% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 32.3% Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) @ 2.92
9 88.5% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 11.5% Lak ( ) @ 3
10 88.9% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 11.1% Lezgin ( ) @ 3.01
11 88.4% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 11.6% Dargin_Urkarah ( ) @ 3.02
12 88.8% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 11.2% Avar ( ) @ 3.02
13 88.5% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 11.5% Baku_WGA ( ) @ 3.04
14 75.1% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 24.9% Pakistani ( ) @ 3.08
15 88.6% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 11.4% Tabassaran ( ) @ 3.11
16 81.1% GujaratiA_GIH ( ) + 18.9% Kakheti ( ) @ 3.13
17 58.1% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 41.9% Jatt_Pahari ( ) @ 3.13
18 89% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 11% Azeri_Dagestan ( ) @ 3.15
19 74.8% GujaratiA_GIH ( ) + 25.2% Baku_WGA ( ) @ 3.2
20 80.7% Pakistani ( ) + 19.3% Chechen ( ) @ 3.24

Dad, 100% Pakistani Pashtun

1 South_Central_Asian 27.49
2 South_Indian 21.91
3 Caucasian 19.65
4 European_Hunters_Gatherers 7.55
5 Ancestral_Altaic 5.66
6 Near_East 4.13
7 Amerindian 2.02
8 Austronesian 2
9 Archaic_African 1.87
10 South_East_Asian 1.85
11 Tungus-Altaic 1.26
12 Paleo_Siberian 1.26
13 East_African 1.12
14 Subsaharian 0.96
15 Archaic_Human 0.62
16 East_Siberian 0.53
17 Melano_Polynesian 0.14

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) 8.54
2 Afghan_Pushtun ( ) 11.55
3 Pashtun_Afghani ( ) 13.44
4 Tajik_Afghan ( ) 15.05
5 Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim ( ) 15.1
6 Uzbek_Afghan ( ) 15.83
7 Parsi ( ) 17.09
8 Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) 17.36
9 Pathan ( ) 17.51
10 Mumbai_Jew ( ) 17.7
11 Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) 17.8
12 Jatt_Haryana ( ) 19.15
13 Jatt_Pahari ( ) 19.81
14 Cochin_Jew ( ) 20.2
15 Burusho ( ) 22.68
16 Tajik_Yagnobi ( ) 24.04
17 Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) 24.21
18 Turkmen_Uzbekistan ( ) 25.7
19 Jatt_Muslim ( ) 26.31
20 Uzbek ( ) 27.67

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 83.3% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 16.7% Russian_South ( ) @ 3.61
2 83.1% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 16.9% Mixed_East_Slav ( ) @ 3.63
3 83.1% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 16.9% Belarusian_Russian ( ) @ 3.63
4 83.9% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 16.1% Ukrainian_Center ( ) @ 3.7
5 83.3% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 16.7% Kuban_cossack ( ) @ 3.72
6 82.6% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 17.4% Belarusian_East ( ) @ 3.75
7 83.2% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 16.8% Ukrainian_East ( ) @ 3.75
8 82.7% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 17.3% Russian_Center ( ) @ 3.77
9 83.1% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 16.9% Belarusian ( ) @ 3.78
10 83.7% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 16.3% Ukrainian_Russian ( ) @ 3.81
11 82.3% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 17.7% Mordovian ( ) @ 3.86
12 83.3% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 16.7% Ukrainian ( ) @ 3.88
13 83.2% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 16.8% Don_cossack ( ) @ 3.89
14 83.1% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 16.9% Pole ( ) @ 3.89
15 82.8% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 17.2% Belarusian_South ( ) @ 3.9
16 82.8% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 17.2% Lithuanian ( ) @ 3.93
17 83.4% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 16.6% Belarusian_West ( ) @ 4.11
18 83.3% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 16.7% Pole_Mazowia ( ) @ 4.12
19 84% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 16% Ukrainian_West ( ) @ 4.14
20 84.8% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 15.2% Pole_South ( ) @ 4.16

So, my mother is either 75%-80% Punjabi+25%-20% Caucasian (usually Northern Caucasian), or 70%-75% Me+30%-25% Punjabi. :biggrin1:

By contrast, my father is basically 80%-85% Me+20%-15% Eastern European. :biggrin1:

I guess the lesson here is to never take ADMIXTURE based oracles too seriously, although they do offer considerable insight.

Dr_McNinja
09-13-2014, 04:43 AM
I made a sheet just for the South Asian GEDmatch K23b: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuXBmvmgdkfVdFMtRHVlZDBuQ3lMcjhxMDE4V3JoY lE&usp=drive_web#gid=23

There are latitude/longitude coordinates for those interested.

GEDmatch has constantly been busy tonight so tomorrow morning I'll try updating some of the other folks (as many as I have in the ANE K7 gedmatch).Also for South Asians, a pattern seems to emerge in column AE (Near East, North African, Caucasian, and half of South Indian).

The volatility is in Gedrosian/ANI. That's because of the ANE present within it. But the Caucasian half of S-Indian is mostly from our ENF-type admixture, which is why it's rather consistent across individuals in spite of the different S-Indian amounts. My S-Indian being high limits my Caucasian to way below everyone else. So it's almost like the South Indian takes priority for the software over Gedrosian as a South Asian component. The problem is that South Indian is dictated by an imprecise/ambiguous ASI element so it too varies, which forces Gedrosian to vary.

I think the Pashtun affinity to Caucasian is what makes them a more stable and superior proxy for ANI than Baloch or Kalash. The Pashtun component swallows up the nearby Caucasian stuff and kind of ups its own priority as far as the software is concerned. But the main thing is that we know there is ANI ancestry for most people here (even the South Indians here are Brahmins). South Indian is just a bad choice because of its Caucasian component. It's extremely unlikely our Caucasian is from Southeast India rather than Southwest Asia.

My result could also swap from 28% equivalent to HRP0341/HRP0353 to 31% equivalent to HRP0350/Kenji depending on if I treated EEF like Caucasian or European. On the PCA, EEF is next to Caucasian at the extreme end.

Sapporo
09-13-2014, 04:59 AM
I used your coordinates from MDLP K23b and this is where I plotted.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Piplan+-+Harnoli+Mor+-+Qaidabad+Rd,+Pakistan/@32.2888175,71.7388029,6z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x3926daeaef29bcb7:0x385624c345433 2e6

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Piplan+-+Harnoli+Mor+-+Qaidabad+Rd,+Pakistan/@32.2888175,71.7388029,7z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x3926daeaef29bcb7:0x385624c345433 2e6

The MDLP K23b DIY was roughly the exact same position in Quaidabad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quaidabad

It's a bit too Northwest but it's in the general region of Punjab so fine with me.

Sein
09-13-2014, 05:06 AM
I land right near Gardez, which is quite accurate.

Sapporo
09-13-2014, 05:11 AM
Here is the plot for HRP0353, Punjabi Gujjar Muslim.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Gaimbar+Noor+Shah+Rd,+Ok%C4%81ra,+Pakistan/@30.8061442,73.2194334,7z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x3922bc65b9dd7127:0x87dcd489e399e fa

Close to Sahiwal in Okāra.

HRP0350 Pakistani Punjabi Jatt Muslim (Pahari)

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Qaziabad+-+Nawankot+Rd,+Pakistan/@31.0831572,71.2619628,8z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x392453065fc05ee9:0x3363e921233bd b1

Near Fatehpur.

bored
09-13-2014, 05:15 AM
Here is the plot for HRP0353, Punjabi Gujjar Muslim.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Gaimbar+Noor+Shah+Rd,+Ok%C4%81ra,+Pakistan/@30.8061442,73.2194334,7z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x3922bc65b9dd7127:0x87dcd489e399e fa

Close to Sahiwal in Okāra.

I think this is where kenji plots - on the India-Pakistan border in South Punjab.

https://www.google.ca/maps/place/30%C2%B025'24.8%22N+74%C2%B001'16.4%22E/@34.097202,73.0130539,6z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x0

Sapporo
09-13-2014, 05:17 AM
I think this is where kenji plots - on the India-Pakistan border in South Punjab.

https://www.google.ca/maps/place/30%C2%B025'24.8%22N+74%C2%B001'16.4%22E/@34.097202,73.0130539,6z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x0

Interesting. His is the most off by far. I should be closer to Lahore but he's quite a ways from Himachal Pradesh.

ZephyrousMandaru
09-13-2014, 05:18 AM
MDLP K23b for a Chaldean




Population
Amerindian 0.08%
Ancestral_Altaic 1.64%
South_Central_Asian 18.72%
Arctic 0.38%
South_Indian 0.06%
Australoid -
Austronesian -
Caucasian 42.42%
Archaic_Human -
East_African 0.47%
East_Siberian -
European_Early_Farmers 11.22%
Khoisan -
Melano_Polynesian 0.48%
Archaic_African -
Near_East 18.54%
North_African 4.20%
Paleo_Siberian -
African_Pygmy -
South_East_Asian 0.71%
Subsaharian -
Tungus-Altaic 0.22%
European_Hunters_Gatherers 0.85%

Oracle

# Population (source) Distance
1 Georgian_Jew ( ) 5.67
2 Kurd_Jew ( ) 6.61
3 Iranian_Jew ( ) 6.78
4 Uzbekistani_Jew ( ) 6.85
5 Turk_Adana ( ) 7.25
6 Iraqi_Jew ( ) 7.63
7 Turk_Kayseri ( ) 8.15
8 Lebanese_Muslim ( ) 8.62
9 Turk ( ) 9.58
10 Lebanese ( ) 10.07
11 Jew_Tat ( ) 10.1
12 Samaritian ( ) 11.23
13 Lebanese_Druze ( ) 11.54
14 Syrian_Jew ( ) 11.61
15 Uzbek_Tashkent ( ) 11.78
16 Azeri ( ) 11.91
17 Turk_Istanbul ( ) 11.98
18 Azov_Greek ( ) 13.13
19 Kurd ( ) 13.24
20 Syrian ( ) 13.54

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 94.5% Iranian_Jew ( ) + 5.5% 1_Otzi ( ) @ 2.06
2 92.2% Iranian_Jew ( ) + 7.8% Sardinian ( ) @ 2.19
3 90.5% Kurd_Jew ( ) + 9.5% 1_LBK380 ( ) @ 2.25
4 90.3% Iranian_Jew ( ) + 9.7% 1_LBK380 ( ) @ 2.28
5 94.8% Iranian_Jew ( ) + 5.2% 1_Gokhem7 ( ) @ 2.33
6 94.4% Iranian_Jew ( ) + 5.6% 1_Skoglund_farmer ( ) @ 2.62
7 93.8% Iranian_Jew ( ) + 6.2% Basque_Spanish ( ) @ 2.63
8 87.1% Iranian_Jew ( ) + 12.9% Italian_Bergamo ( ) @ 2.63
9 93.9% Iranian_Jew ( ) + 6.1% Basque_French ( ) @ 2.64
10 84% Iranian_Jew ( ) + 16% Italian_Tuscan ( ) @ 2.7
11 91.9% Iranian_Jew ( ) + 8.1% French_South ( ) @ 2.72
12 93.1% Iranian_Jew ( ) + 6.9% Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS ( ) @ 2.72
13 82.1% Iranian_Jew ( ) + 17.9% Italian_Abruzzo ( ) @ 2.74
14 85.2% Iranian_Jew ( ) + 14.8% Italian_Piedmont ( ) @ 2.75
15 89% Iranian_Jew ( ) + 11% Spanish_Baleares_IBS ( ) @ 2.78
16 82.6% Kurd_Jew ( ) + 17.4% Italian_Abruzzo ( ) @ 2.78
17 92.7% Kurd_Jew ( ) + 7.3% Sardinian ( ) @ 2.79
18 91.3% Iranian_Jew ( ) + 8.7% Spanish_Castilla_la_Mancha_IBS ( ) @ 2.86
19 91% Iranian_Jew ( ) + 9% Spanish_Valencia_IBS ( ) @ 2.86
20 91.5% Iranian_Jew ( ) + 8.5% Spanish_Aragon_IBS ( ) @ 2.88

Oracle-4

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Iranian_Jew @ 5.931778
2 Kurd_Jew @ 6.083920
3 Iraqi_Jew @ 6.340756
4 Uzbekistani_Jew @ 6.678780
5 Jew_Tat @ 7.094519
6 Georgian_Jew @ 7.691539
7 Turk_Adana @ 7.691680
8 Lebanese_Muslim @ 9.041378
9 Turk_Kayseri @ 9.709407
10 Lebanese @ 10.086519
11 Lebanese_Druze @ 10.294284
12 Assyrian_Arzni @ 10.762668
13 Syrian_Jew @ 11.338944
14 Armenian @ 11.790196
15 Samaritian @ 11.965749
16 Azeri @ 12.176633
17 Iraki @ 12.188725
18 Syrian @ 12.190560
19 Armenian_Yerevan @ 12.310790
20 Uzbek_Tashkent @ 12.349904

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Kurd +50% Lebanese_Christian @ 4.073483


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Iraqi_Jew +25% Kurd +25% Syrian_Jew @ 2.834388


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Iraqi_Jew + Iraqi_Jew + Kurd + Syrian_Jew @ 2.834388
2 Cypriot + Kurd + Samaritian + Uzbekistani_Jew @ 3.074783
3 Cypriot + Iraqi_Jew + Kurd + Kurd_Jew @ 3.076334
4 Cypriot + Iranian_Jew + Iraqi_Jew + Kurd @ 3.146503
5 Iranian_Jew + Iraqi_Jew + Kurd + Syrian_Jew @ 3.157556
6 Cypriot + Iranian + Iraqi_Jew + Iraqi_Jew @ 3.207245
7 Cypriot + Kurd + Kurd + Samaritian @ 3.208741
8 Iraqi_Jew + Kurd + Kurd_Jew + Syrian_Jew @ 3.226285
9 Cypriot + Kurd + Kurd_Jew + Samaritian @ 3.242278
10 Cypriot + Iranian + Iranian_Jew + Iraqi_Jew @ 3.242486
11 Iranian_Jew + Iraqi_Jew + Kurd + Sephardic_Jew @ 3.293259
12 Iranian + Iraqi_Jew + Iraqi_Jew + Syrian_Jew @ 3.319392
13 Iraqi_Jew + Syrian_Jew + Uzbekistani_Jew + Uzbekistani_Jew @ 3.319789
14 Cypriot + Iranian + Iraqi_Jew + Kurd_Jew @ 3.324131
15 Cypriot + Iraqi_Jew + Kurd + Uzbekistani_Jew @ 3.330637
16 Iraqi_Jew + Kurd_Jew + Syrian_Jew + Uzbekistani_Jew @ 3.340876
17 Iraqi_Jew + Kurd + Kurd_Jew + Sephardic_Jew @ 3.349554
18 Iraqi_Jew + Kurd + Samaritian + Turk_Kayseri @ 3.370224
19 Greek_Smyrna + Iranian_Jew + Kurd_Jew + Kurd_Jew @ 3.371406
20 Greek_Smyrna + Kurd_Jew + Kurd_Jew + Kurd_Jew @ 3.381825

bored
09-13-2014, 05:33 AM
Interesting. His is the most off by far. I should be closer to Lahore but he's quite a ways from Himachal Pradesh.

I wonder where other Brahmins like Kashmiri Pandits and Punjabi Brahmins plot.

ZephyrousMandaru
09-13-2014, 06:24 AM
Results for another (possible) Chaldean.


Population
Amerindian -
Ancestral_Altaic 2.94%
South_Central_Asian 17.68%
Arctic -
South_Indian 1.98%
Australoid -
Austronesian -
Caucasian 41.70%
Archaic_Human 0.17%
East_African -
East_Siberian 0.06%
European_Early_Farmers 8.65%
Khoisan -
Melano_Polynesian -
Archaic_African -
Near_East 19.75%
North_African 5.07%
Paleo_Siberian 0.25%
African_Pygmy -
South_East_Asian -
Subsaharian -
Tungus-Altaic -
European_Hunters_Gatherers 1.71%

Oracle

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kurd_Jew ( ) 5.31
2 Iranian_Jew ( ) 5.6
3 Georgian_Jew ( ) 6.14
4 Uzbekistani_Jew ( ) 6.27
5 Turk_Adana ( ) 7.54
6 Lebanese_Muslim ( ) 7.67
7 Iraqi_Jew ( ) 7.81
8 Lebanese ( ) 8.59
9 Turk_Kayseri ( ) 9.81
10 Samaritian ( ) 10.01
11 Jew_Tat ( ) 10.46
12 Turk ( ) 10.59
13 Syrian ( ) 10.91
14 Azeri ( ) 11.47
15 Uzbek_Tashkent ( ) 11.52
16 Lebanese_Druze ( ) 11.8
17 Syrian_Jew ( ) 12.27
18 Turk_Istanbul ( ) 12.87
19 Kurd ( ) 12.88
20 Baku_WGA ( ) 13.42

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 91.5% Iranian_Jew ( ) + 8.5% British ( ) @ 2.24
2 92% Iranian_Jew ( ) + 8% Spanish_Extremadura_IBS ( ) @ 2.26
3 92.1% Iranian_Jew ( ) + 7.9% Spanish_Galicia_IBS ( ) @ 2.28
4 91.4% Iranian_Jew ( ) + 8.6% Orcadian ( ) @ 2.29
5 90.8% Iranian_Jew ( ) + 9.2% English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) @ 2.29
6 93% Iranian_Jew ( ) + 7% Spanish_Aragon_IBS ( ) @ 2.3
7 91% Iranian_Jew ( ) + 9% French ( ) @ 2.31
8 90.6% Iranian_Jew ( ) + 9.4% English_Kent_GBR ( ) @ 2.31
9 90.9% Iranian_Jew ( ) + 9.1% CEU ( ) @ 2.32
10 90.9% Iranian_Jew ( ) + 9.1% Welsh ( ) @ 2.32
11 92.3% Iranian_Jew ( ) + 7.7% Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS ( ) @ 2.32
12 93% Iranian_Jew ( ) + 7% Spanish_Cantabria_IBS ( ) @ 2.33
13 92.2% Iranian_Jew ( ) + 7.8% Spanish_Murcia_IBS ( ) @ 2.33
14 92.8% Iranian_Jew ( ) + 7.2% Spanish_Castilla_la_Mancha_IBS ( ) @ 2.34
15 92.1% Iranian_Jew ( ) + 7.9% 1_Gokhem4 ( ) @ 2.35
16 91.2% Iranian_Jew ( ) + 8.8% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) @ 2.35
17 91% Iranian_Jew ( ) + 9% Norwegian_Bergen ( ) @ 2.35
18 91.8% Iranian_Jew ( ) + 8.2% Spaniard ( ) @ 2.37
19 90.1% Iranian_Jew ( ) + 9.9% English ( ) @ 2.38
20 90.6% Iranian_Jew ( ) + 9.4% North_European ( ) @ 2.38

4-Ancestors Oracle


Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Iranian_Jew @ 4.527814
2 Kurd_Jew @ 5.007141
3 Iraqi_Jew @ 5.877182
4 Uzbekistani_Jew @ 6.206256
5 Jew_Tat @ 6.987136
6 Georgian_Jew @ 7.460210
7 Lebanese_Muslim @ 8.012782
8 Turk_Adana @ 8.302036
9 Lebanese @ 8.723280
10 Syrian @ 9.813838
11 Lebanese_Druze @ 9.870214
12 Iraki @ 10.289399
13 Samaritian @ 10.809170
14 Turk_Kayseri @ 11.011253
15 Assyrian_Arzni @ 11.170801
16 Muslim_Arabs_Israel @ 11.267244
17 Syrian_Jew @ 11.885768
18 Lebanese_Christian @ 12.143916
19 Azeri @ 12.334065
20 Uzbek_Tashkent @ 12.540614

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Lebanese_Muslim +50% Uzbekistani_Jew @ 3.026743


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Iraqi_Jew +25% Kurd +25% Lebanese @ 2.649867


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Baku_WGA + Samaritian + Samaritian + Uzbekistani_Jew @ 2.323285
2 Iranian + Lebanese_Christian + Samaritian + Uzbekistani_Jew @ 2.324133
3 Kurd + Lebanese_Muslim + Samaritian + Uzbekistani_Jew @ 2.376946
4 Kurd + Lebanese_Christian + Samaritian + Uzbekistani_Jew @ 2.423220
5 Kurd + Samaritian + Samaritian + Uzbekistani_Jew @ 2.423850
6 Kurd + Lebanese_Druze + Samaritian + Uzbekistani_Jew @ 2.426751
7 Iranian + Lebanese_Druze + Samaritian + Uzbekistani_Jew @ 2.440743
8 Iranian_Jew + Kurd + Lebanese_Muslim + Samaritian @ 2.471068
9 Kurd + Lebanese + Samaritian + Uzbekistani_Jew @ 2.518132
10 Kurd + Kurd_Jew + Lebanese_Muslim + Samaritian @ 2.551438
11 Kurd + Lebanese_Christian + Syrian + Uzbekistani_Jew @ 2.559173
12 Iranian + Iranian_Jew + Lebanese_Druze + Samaritian @ 2.584316
13 Iranian_Jew + Samaritian + Turk_Adana + Uzbekistani_Jew @ 2.593683
14 Armenian + Iranian + Samaritian + Samaritian @ 2.596847
15 Baku_WGA + Iranian_Jew + Lebanese_Muslim + Samaritian @ 2.602695
16 Baku_WGA + Iranian_Jew + Samaritian + Syrian_Jew @ 2.604890
17 Armenian_Yerevan + Iranian + Samaritian + Samaritian @ 2.615009
18 Jew_Tat + Kurd + Lebanese + Samaritian @ 2.615581
19 Baku_WGA + Kurd_Jew + Lebanese_Muslim + Samaritian @ 2.620898
20 Baku_WGA + Lebanese + Samaritian + Uzbekistani_Jew @ 2.626479

jesus
09-13-2014, 06:49 AM
Those results are very similar to the Harappa ones, nearly the exact south indian & near east ( southwest asian in Harappa ) but the oracle is pretty interesting.
http://i.imgur.com/b9GGIwL.png?1

http://i.imgur.com/5BFtaqp.png

http://i.imgur.com/jrVMesi.png?1

Sapporo
09-13-2014, 08:47 AM
Tried the 4 ancestors Oracle and results changed a bit.

MDLP K23b Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 South_Central_Asian 37.65
2 South_Indian 32.08
3 Caucasian 10.84
4 European_Hunters_Gatherers 8.48
5 Ancestral_Altaic 5.84
6 East_Siberian 1.43


Finished reading population data. 554 populations found.
23 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Jatt_Pahari @ 5.254238
2 Punjabi_Gujjar @ 7.379783
3 GujaratiA_GIH @ 7.469893
4 Jatt_Haryana @ 7.675001
5 Pathan @ 7.832792
6 Jatt_Muslim @ 8.261903
7 Pakistani @ 8.818862
8 Sindhi @ 10.784899
9 Pakistani_Pushtun @ 10.856050
10 Burusho @ 11.021817
11 Tiwari @ 13.976882
12 GujaratiB_GIH @ 15.156300
13 Kshatriya @ 18.442993
14 Mumbai_Jew @ 18.511923
15 Brahmin_Tamil @ 19.021544
16 Vaish @ 19.150105
17 Pashtun_Afghani @ 19.158480
18 Cochin_Jew @ 19.178587
19 Afghan_Pushtun @ 19.713928
20 Brahmins_UP @ 21.285975

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Jatt_Haryana +50% Punjabi_Gujjar @ 3.123477


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% GujaratiB_GIH +25% Pathan +25% Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 2.907339


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 GujaratiA_GIH + Punjabi_Gujjar + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim + Tiwari @ 2.749496
2 GujaratiA_GIH + GujaratiB_GIH + Punjabi_Gujjar + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 2.826188
3 Pakistani + Punjabi_Gujjar + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim + Tiwari @ 2.836507
4 GujaratiA_GIH + Pashtun_Afghani + Punjabi_Gujjar + Tiwari @ 2.845951
5 GujaratiA_GIH + Pathan + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim + TN_Brahmin @ 2.849210
6 Afghan_Pushtun + GujaratiA_GIH + GujaratiA_GIH + GujaratiA_GIH @ 2.865405
7 Dharkar + Kalash + Kanjar + Lak @ 2.869193
8 GujaratiA_GIH + GujaratiD_GIH + Pathan + Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan @ 2.886087
9 Kalash + Kshatriya + Lak + Scheduled_Caste_UP @ 2.892038
10 GujaratiA_GIH + Jatt_Haryana + Pathan + Punjabi_Gujjar @ 2.898720
11 GujaratiA_GIH + Punjabi_Gujjar + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim + Vaish @ 2.905100
12 Dargin_Urkarah + Dharkar + Kalash + Kanjar @ 2.905841
13 GujaratiB_GIH + GujaratiB_GIH + Pathan + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 2.907339
14 Kalash + Kanjar + Lak + Srivastava @ 2.910808
15 GujaratiA_GIH + GujaratiD_GIH + Pathan + Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan @ 2.914370
16 Dharkar + Dharkar + Kalash + Lak @ 2.935455
17 GujaratiA_GIH + Punjabi_Gujjar + Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan + Vaish @ 2.939897
18 Dargin_Urkarah + Kalash + Kshatriya + Scheduled_Caste_UP @ 2.940256
19 GujaratiA_GIH + GujaratiB_GIH + Jatt_Pahari + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 2.941125
20 GujaratiA_GIH + Jatt_Haryana + Pathan + Pathan @ 2.941793

evon
09-13-2014, 10:20 AM
I ran my grandmother (23andme V3 file) in K23b:


# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 42.37
2 European_Early_Farmers 23.85
3 Caucasian 19.75
4 South_Central_Asian 5.11
5 Ancestral_Altaic 4.79
6 North_African 2.5
7 Austronesian 0.69
8 Archaic_Human 0.4
9 South_Indian 0.39
10 Amerindian 0.13
11 Melano_Polynesian 0.01

Dont think my grandmother ever got that much "Siberian" % before, she usually get South Asian and not North Asian, wile my paternal Aunt usually get North Asian and not South Asian.


# Population (source) Distance
1 Swede ( ) 2.61
2 Dutch ( ) 4.59
3 North_German ( ) 5.03
4 English ( ) 5.14
5 North_European ( ) 5.67
6 Belgian ( ) 6.4
7 Norwegian_Bergen ( ) 7.14
8 Icelandic ( ) 7.29
9 CEU ( ) 8.17
10 South_German ( ) 8.3
11 English_Kent_GBR ( ) 8.53
12 English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) 8.77
13 Welsh ( ) 9.31
14 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) 9.57
15 Orcadian ( ) 10.91
16 Finn_West ( ) 11.64
17 German_East ( ) 12.03
18 German ( ) 12.25
19 British ( ) 12.4
20 Austrian ( ) 12.42

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 68.1% North_European ( ) + 31.9% Finn_West ( ) @ 1.8
2 78.8% Icelandic ( ) + 21.2% Pole_South ( ) @ 1.84
3 80.8% North_European ( ) + 19.2% Estonian ( ) @ 1.84
4 72.9% Orcadian ( ) + 27.1% Kuban_cossack ( ) @ 1.85
5 70.2% British ( ) + 29.8% Kuban_cossack ( ) @ 1.87
6 86.9% English ( ) + 13.1% 1_Ajvide59 ( ) @ 1.87
7 64.3% Orcadian ( ) + 35.7% Sorb ( ) @ 1.9
8 73% Orcadian ( ) + 27% Russian_South ( ) @ 1.92
9 81.6% North_European ( ) + 18.4% Latvian ( ) @ 1.93
10 79.2% Norwegian_Bergen ( ) + 20.8% Pole_South ( ) @ 1.93
11 82.3% North_European ( ) + 17.7% Russian_Vologda ( ) @ 1.93
12 73.4% Swede ( ) + 26.6% English ( ) @ 1.96
13 71.6% Icelandic ( ) + 28.4% Czech ( ) @ 1.97
14 63.7% Orcadian ( ) + 36.3% Pole_South_East ( ) @ 1.99
15 82.7% North_European ( ) + 17.3% North_Russian ( ) @ 1.99
16 69.2% British ( ) + 30.8% Belarusian_East ( ) @ 2
17 70.8% English ( ) + 29.2% Finn_West ( ) @ 2
18 73.8% Norwegian_Bergen ( ) + 26.2% Sorb ( ) @ 2.03
19 91.5% Swede ( ) + 8.5% Portugese ( ) @ 2.04
20 80.7% English ( ) + 19.3% Finn ( ) @ 2.04

The Bergen sample, is that one individual? as its my city :P My Paternal ancestry is mostly from around Bergen.

Maternal Uncle(23andme V2 file):

# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 43.38
2 European_Early_Farmers 25.77
3 Caucasian 18.99
4 South_Central_Asian 4.31
5 Ancestral_Altaic 4.1
6 North_African 1.41
7 Austronesian 1.22
8 African_Pygmy 0.41
9 Australoid 0.4

Seems Austronesia and Australoid has replaced his and my mothers usual South East Asian.



# Population (source) Distance
1 Swede ( ) 3.6
2 North_European ( ) 3.77
3 English ( ) 4.37
4 Norwegian_Bergen ( ) 5.24
5 Icelandic ( ) 5.56
6 Belgian ( ) 5.86
7 Dutch ( ) 6
8 CEU ( ) 6.01
9 North_German ( ) 6.57
10 English_Kent_GBR ( ) 6.62
11 English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) 6.86
12 Welsh ( ) 7.19
13 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) 7.62
14 Orcadian ( ) 8.8
15 South_German ( ) 9.01
16 British ( ) 10.07
17 French ( ) 12.04
18 Finn_West ( ) 13.71
19 German_East ( ) 13.75
20 Austrian ( ) 14.09

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 88.4% Swede ( ) + 11.6% Spanish_Valencia_IBS ( ) @ 1.47
2 86.6% Swede ( ) + 13.4% Spanish_Cataluna_IBS ( ) @ 1.48
3 87.9% Swede ( ) + 12.1% Spanish_Andalucia_IBS ( ) @ 1.52
4 89.4% Swede ( ) + 10.6% Spanish_Cantabria_IBS ( ) @ 1.56
5 89% Swede ( ) + 11% Spanish_Castilla_la_Mancha_IBS ( ) @ 1.56
6 86.9% Swede ( ) + 13.1% Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS ( ) @ 1.56
7 93.4% Swede ( ) + 6.6% Sardinian ( ) @ 1.56
8 89.5% Swede ( ) + 10.5% Spanish_Aragon_IBS ( ) @ 1.58
9 86.2% Swede ( ) + 13.8% Spanish_Galicia_IBS ( ) @ 1.58
10 85.7% Swede ( ) + 14.3% Spaniard ( ) @ 1.58
11 51.4% Swede ( ) + 48.6% North_European ( ) @ 1.59
12 87% Swede ( ) + 13% Spanish_Murcia_IBS ( ) @ 1.59
13 87.1% Belgian ( ) + 12.9% 1_Loschbour ( ) @ 1.63
14 86.1% Swede ( ) + 13.9% Spanish_Extremadura_IBS ( ) @ 1.64
15 91% Swede ( ) + 9% French_South ( ) @ 1.65
16 95.9% Swede ( ) + 4.1% 1_Otzi ( ) @ 1.66
17 78.9% Swede ( ) + 21.1% French ( ) @ 1.68
18 75.9% British ( ) + 24.1% Kuban_cossack ( ) @ 1.69
19 68.8% Swede ( ) + 31.2% Welsh ( ) @ 1.72
20 74.6% British ( ) + 25.4% Belarusian ( ) @ 1.73

I think the EEF Cluster gives erroneous Oracle correlations with Iberia, that seems to be what is going on when my uncle get matches in Spain ect, while he should get more Balkan like matches..

Mother (FTDNA Build 37 file):


# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 42.59
2 European_Early_Farmers 27.64
3 Caucasian 17.95
4 South_Central_Asian 4.62
5 Ancestral_Altaic 4.18
6 Austronesian 0.91
7 South_Indian 0.82
8 Amerindian 0.74
9 Australoid 0.33
10 African_Pygmy 0.18
11 South_East_Asian 0.02
12 Archaic_Human 0.01


# Population (source) Distance
1 Norwegian_Bergen ( ) 3.25
2 North_European ( ) 3.33
3 Icelandic ( ) 3.82
4 CEU ( ) 4.06
5 English ( ) 5.16
6 Welsh ( ) 5.26
7 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) 5.28
8 English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) 5.36
9 English_Kent_GBR ( ) 5.57
10 Swede ( ) 5.89
11 Orcadian ( ) 6.27
12 Belgian ( ) 6.91
13 British ( ) 7.45
14 Dutch ( ) 8.19
15 North_German ( ) 9.09
16 French ( ) 10.66
17 South_German ( ) 10.95
18 Portugese ( ) 15.37
19 Finn_West ( ) 16.03
20 German_East ( ) 16.36

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 89% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 11% 1_Ajvide52 ( ) @ 1.21
2 89.1% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 10.9% 1_Ajvide53 ( ) @ 1.51
3 89% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 11% 1_Motala_merge ( ) @ 1.56
4 89% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 11% 1_Motala12 ( ) @ 1.56
5 93% Swede ( ) + 7% 1_Gokhem7 ( ) @ 1.57
6 89.1% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 10.9% 1_Ajvide70 ( ) @ 1.59
7 88.1% Swede ( ) + 11.9% Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS ( ) @ 1.6
8 89.1% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 10.9% 1_Ire8 ( ) @ 1.61
9 90.3% Swede ( ) + 9.7% Basque_Spanish ( ) @ 1.61
10 90.6% Swede ( ) + 9.4% Basque_French ( ) @ 1.63
11 84.1% Swede ( ) + 15.9% French_South ( ) @ 1.68
12 92.8% Swede ( ) + 7.2% 1_Otzi ( ) @ 1.68
13 91.7% Swede ( ) + 8.3% 1_Skoglund_farmer ( ) @ 1.69
14 88.4% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 11.6% 1_LaBrana ( ) @ 1.73
15 80.7% British ( ) + 19.3% Belarusian_South ( ) @ 1.76
16 82.2% British ( ) + 17.8% Belarusian_Russian ( ) @ 1.78
17 82.2% British ( ) + 17.8% Mixed_East_Slav ( ) @ 1.78
18 79.4% British ( ) + 20.6% Belarusian_West ( ) @ 1.8
19 76.7% British ( ) + 23.3% Pole_South_East ( ) @ 1.82
20 81% British ( ) + 19% Lithuanian ( ) @ 1.83

Me (23andme V3 file):

# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 42.88
2 European_Early_Farmers 28.34
3 Caucasian 17.18
4 South_Central_Asian 5.15
5 Ancestral_Altaic 4.32
6 Near_East 0.84
7 South_East_Asian 0.78
8 North_African 0.28
9 Subsaharian 0.14
10 African_Pygmy 0.08
11 Australoid 0.02

Weird, i got South East Asian, while my uncle and mother did not? its the same ancestral linage via my maternal grandfather, so we should get the same results..


# Population (source) Distance
1 Norwegian_Bergen ( ) 2.09
2 Icelandic ( ) 2.66
3 CEU ( ) 3.49
4 North_European ( ) 3.78
5 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) 3.82
6 Welsh ( ) 4.62
7 Orcadian ( ) 4.7
8 English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) 5.22
9 English_Kent_GBR ( ) 5.87
10 British ( ) 5.95
11 English ( ) 6.03
12 Swede ( ) 7.05
13 Belgian ( ) 8.06
14 Dutch ( ) 9.49
15 French ( ) 10.42
16 North_German ( ) 10.51
17 South_German ( ) 12.26
18 Portugese ( ) 14.8
19 Puerto_Rican ( ) 16.56
20 Finn_West ( ) 17.13

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 88.4% Swede ( ) + 11.6% Basque_French ( ) @ 0.99
2 88.1% Swede ( ) + 11.9% Basque_Spanish ( ) @ 1.04
3 92.9% CEU ( ) + 7.1% 1_Ajvide70 ( ) @ 1.06
4 85.4% Swede ( ) + 14.6% Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS ( ) @ 1.1
5 92.9% CEU ( ) + 7.1% 1_Motala12 ( ) @ 1.13
6 92.9% CEU ( ) + 7.1% 1_Motala_merge ( ) @ 1.13
7 92.9% CEU ( ) + 7.1% 1_Ire8 ( ) @ 1.14
8 89.5% English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) + 10.5% 1_Ajvide70 ( ) @ 1.16
9 84.6% British ( ) + 15.4% Lithuanian ( ) @ 1.18
10 83.6% British ( ) + 16.4% Latvian ( ) @ 1.2
11 89.5% English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) + 10.5% 1_Motala_merge ( ) @ 1.22
12 92.5% CEU ( ) + 7.5% 1_LaBrana ( ) @ 1.22
13 89.5% English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) + 10.5% 1_Motala12 ( ) @ 1.22
14 86.6% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 13.4% 1_Loschbour ( ) @ 1.23
15 89.5% English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) + 10.5% 1_Ire8 ( ) @ 1.23
16 54.4% British ( ) + 45.6% Swede ( ) @ 1.24
17 88.8% English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) + 11.2% 1_LaBrana ( ) @ 1.24
18 93.1% CEU ( ) + 6.9% 1_Ajvide53 ( ) @ 1.27
19 83.1% British ( ) + 16.9% Estonian ( ) @ 1.29
20 88% English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) + 12% 1_Loschbour ( ) @ 1.31

My paternal aunt (23andme V2 file):


# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 43.63
2 European_Early_Farmers 28.09
3 Caucasian 17.57
4 Ancestral_Altaic 5.89
5 South_Central_Asian 3.06
6 Paleo_Siberian 0.65
7 Archaic_Human 0.33
8 Subsaharian 0.32
9 Arctic 0.23
10 Melano_Polynesian 0.14
11 East_Siberian 0.07
12 Tungus-Altaic 0.01



# Population (source) Distance
1 Norwegian_Bergen ( ) 3.55
2 Icelandic ( ) 4.22
3 North_European ( ) 4.3
4 CEU ( ) 4.54
5 English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) 5.65
6 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) 5.68
7 Welsh ( ) 5.69
8 English_Kent_GBR ( ) 5.9
9 Orcadian ( ) 6.14
10 English ( ) 6.31
11 Swede ( ) 6.72
12 British ( ) 6.97
13 Belgian ( ) 7.56
14 Dutch ( ) 9.28
15 North_German ( ) 10.29
16 French ( ) 10.67
17 South_German ( ) 12.02
18 Portugese ( ) 15.34
19 Finn_West ( ) 16.51
20 Puerto_Rican ( ) 17.08

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 90.6% Swede ( ) + 9.4% 1_Skoglund_farmer ( ) @ 2.06
2 92.2% Swede ( ) + 7.8% 1_Gokhem7 ( ) @ 2.12
3 88.9% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 11.1% 1_Ajvide53 ( ) @ 2.19
4 88% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 12% 1_LaBrana ( ) @ 2.19
5 88.8% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 11.2% 1_Motala12 ( ) @ 2.2
6 88.8% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 11.2% 1_Motala_merge ( ) @ 2.2
7 88.8% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 11.2% 1_Ire8 ( ) @ 2.2
8 87.3% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 12.7% 1_Loschbour ( ) @ 2.21
9 89.2% Swede ( ) + 10.8% Basque_Spanish ( ) @ 2.29
10 92% Swede ( ) + 8% 1_Otzi ( ) @ 2.31
11 89.6% Swede ( ) + 10.4% Basque_French ( ) @ 2.31
12 89% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 11% 1_Ajvide70 ( ) @ 2.33
13 86.8% Swede ( ) + 13.2% Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS ( ) @ 2.36
14 89.1% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 10.9% 1_Ajvide52 ( ) @ 2.41
15 79% British ( ) + 21% Pole_South_East ( ) @ 2.47
16 51% Swede ( ) + 49% British ( ) @ 2.48
17 81.1% British ( ) + 18.9% Estonian ( ) @ 2.55
18 82.9% British ( ) + 17.1% Lithuanian ( ) @ 2.57
19 84% British ( ) + 16% Belarusian_Russian ( ) @ 2.59
20 89.2% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 10.8% 1_Skoglund_HG ( ) @ 2.59

Dr_McNinja
09-13-2014, 10:47 AM
My father's results are remarkably similar to Kenji's

Population
Amerindian 0.98%
Ancestral_Altaic 4.51%
South_Central_Asian 31.87%
Arctic 0.80%
South_Indian 38.02%
Australoid -
Austronesian -
Caucasian 10.96%
Archaic_Human -
East_African 0.06%
East_Siberian -
European_Early_Farmers 1.06%
Khoisan -
Melano_Polynesian -
Archaic_African 0.45%
Near_East 1.00%
North_African -
Paleo_Siberian 0.30%
African_Pygmy -
South_East_Asian 2.39%
Subsaharian -
Tungus-Altaic -
European_Hunters_Gatherers 7.53%

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Jatt_Muslim ( ) 5.04
2 Jatt_Haryana ( ) 6.74
3 Jatt_Pahari ( ) 7.47
4 Pakistani ( ) 7.63
5 Tiwari ( ) 9.87
6 GujaratiA_GIH ( ) 10.28
7 Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) 11.73
8 GujaratiB_GIH ( ) 12.31
9 Cochin_Jew ( ) 12.75
10 Brahmin_Tamil ( ) 14.41
11 Vaish ( ) 14.92
12 Mumbai_Jew ( ) 15.03
13 Pathan ( ) 15.72
14 Kshatriya ( ) 16.03
15 Burusho ( ) 16.08
16 Sindhi ( ) 16.28
17 Brahmins_UP ( ) 16.96
18 Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) 17.18
19 TN_Brahmin ( ) 17.3
20 GujaratiC_GIH ( ) 20.33

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 88.4% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 11.6% Dhurwa ( ) @ 2.21
2 56% Velama ( ) + 44% Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) @ 2.22
3 87.9% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 12.1% Kharia ( ) @ 2.27
4 88.3% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 11.7% Bhunjia ( ) @ 2.27
5 88.7% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 11.3% Santhal ( ) @ 2.29
6 53.6% Vaish ( ) + 46.4% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) @ 2.3
7 78% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 22% Dhaka_mixed_popul ( ) @ 2.37
8 76% Brahmin_Tamil ( ) + 24% Tajik_Yagnobi ( ) @ 2.37
9 80.2% Pathan ( ) + 19.8% Paniya ( ) @ 2.39
10 61.1% Velamas ( ) + 38.9% Tajik_Yagnobi ( ) @ 2.44
11 55.1% Pashtun_Afghani ( ) + 44.9% Lodhi ( ) @ 2.44
12 54.5% Brahmin_Tamil ( ) + 45.5% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) @ 2.46
13 59.4% Pashtun_Afghani ( ) + 40.6% Kamsali ( ) @ 2.47
14 58.8% Pashtun_Afghani ( ) + 41.2% Kol ( ) @ 2.48
15 56.6% Pashtun_Afghani ( ) + 43.4% Dusadh ( ) @ 2.48
16 85.6% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 14.4% Satnami ( ) @ 2.49
17 78.3% Pathan ( ) + 21.7% Santhal ( ) @ 2.5
18 57.2% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 42.8% Punjabi_Lahore_PJL ( ) @ 2.51
19 84.3% GujaratiB_GIH ( ) + 15.7% Stalskoe_Kumyk ( ) @ 2.51
20 76.8% Pathan ( ) + 23.2% Nihali ( ) @ 2.54

Dr_McNinja
09-13-2014, 10:51 AM
I used your coordinates from MDLP K23b and this is where I plotted.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Piplan+-+Harnoli+Mor+-+Qaidabad+Rd,+Pakistan/@32.2888175,71.7388029,6z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x3926daeaef29bcb7:0x385624c345433 2e6

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Piplan+-+Harnoli+Mor+-+Qaidabad+Rd,+Pakistan/@32.2888175,71.7388029,7z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x3926daeaef29bcb7:0x385624c345433 2e6

The MDLP K23b DIY was roughly the exact same position in Quaidabad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quaidabad

It's a bit too Northwest but it's in the general region of Punjab so fine with me.Yeah, we're probably all a little west of where we should be (and I reduced the components used so we're all on a slight NW-SE axis), but if we overlaid it a little to the east and adjusted for all that, the HP Brahmin would be somewhat equivalent to Uttarakhand I think

Dr_McNinja
09-13-2014, 10:59 AM
I'm pretty different from both parents, here's my mom

Population
Amerindian 0.91%
Ancestral_Altaic 4.97%
South_Central_Asian 35.12%
Arctic 1.52%
South_Indian 37.21%
Australoid 0.18%
Austronesian -
Caucasian 10.29%
Archaic_Human -
East_African 0.29%
East_Siberian 0.18%
European_Early_Farmers 0.30%
Khoisan -
Melano_Polynesian 0.06%
Archaic_African 0.14%
Near_East 1.06%
North_African -
Paleo_Siberian -
African_Pygmy -
South_East_Asian -
Subsaharian 0.29%
Tungus-Altaic 0.53%
European_Hunters_Gatherers 6.95%

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Jatt_Muslim ( ) 4
2 Pakistani ( ) 4.61
3 Jatt_Pahari ( ) 6.04
4 Jatt_Haryana ( ) 7.17
5 GujaratiA_GIH ( ) 7.71
6 Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) 8.61
7 Tiwari ( ) 10.16
8 GujaratiB_GIH ( ) 11.73
9 Sindhi ( ) 13.07
10 Pathan ( ) 13.88
11 Burusho ( ) 14.49
12 Brahmin_Tamil ( ) 14.61
13 Vaish ( ) 15.44
14 Cochin_Jew ( ) 15.52
15 Kshatriya ( ) 15.89
16 Mumbai_Jew ( ) 17.27
17 Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) 17.27
18 TN_Brahmin ( ) 17.57
19 Brahmins_UP ( ) 17.68
20 Meghawal ( ) 20.3

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 77.2% Pathan ( ) + 22.8% Chamar ( ) @ 1.72
2 75% Pathan ( ) + 25% Kol ( ) @ 1.72
3 73.3% Pathan ( ) + 26.7% Dusadh ( ) @ 1.72
4 78.2% Pathan ( ) + 21.8% Mala ( ) @ 1.72
5 75.4% Pathan ( ) + 24.6% Kamsali ( ) @ 1.73
6 67% Pathan ( ) + 33% Muslim_India ( ) @ 1.74
7 76.6% Pathan ( ) + 23.4% Sakilli ( ) @ 1.76
8 75.6% Pathan ( ) + 24.4% Bhil ( ) @ 1.77
9 78.4% Pathan ( ) + 21.6% TN_Dalit ( ) @ 1.83
10 73.1% Pathan ( ) + 26.9% Scheduled_Caste_UP ( ) @ 1.83
11 57.3% GujaratiC_GIH ( ) + 42.7% Pashtun_Afghani ( ) @ 1.85
12 75.2% Pathan ( ) + 24.8% Vishwabrahmin ( ) @ 1.88
13 61.1% TN_Brahmin ( ) + 38.9% Pashtun_Afghani ( ) @ 1.88
14 77.6% Pathan ( ) + 22.4% Hakkipikki ( ) @ 1.92
15 79.4% Pathan ( ) + 20.6% Madiga ( ) @ 1.93
16 72.1% Pathan ( ) + 27.9% Lodhi ( ) @ 1.96
17 65.6% Pathan ( ) + 34.4% Srivastava ( ) @ 2
18 78.4% Pathan ( ) + 21.6% Kurumba ( ) @ 2.01
19 59.8% GujaratiB_GIH ( ) + 40.2% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) @ 2.02
20 73.5% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 26.5% Kshatriya ( ) @ 2.0

It looks like my dad's SE-Asian became my Paleo-Sib. And my Caucasian (and probably some WHG) did indeed become EEF. My ANE dropping below both of theirs might've had something to do with that. They're both west or south of me.

Dr_McNinja
09-13-2014, 11:07 AM
Grandmother's similar to mother, higher ANE than both parents though:


Population
Amerindian -
Ancestral_Altaic 5.86%
South_Central_Asian 34.09%
Arctic 1.35%
South_Indian 37.78%
Australoid -
Austronesian -
Caucasian 9.84%
Archaic_Human -
East_African -
East_Siberian -
European_Early_Farmers -
Khoisan -
Melano_Polynesian 1.11%
Archaic_African -
Near_East 0.99%
North_African -
Paleo_Siberian -
African_Pygmy -
South_East_Asian 0.17%
Subsaharian 1.01%
Tungus-Altaic 1.10%
European_Hunters_Gatherers 6.67%

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Jatt_Muslim ( ) 4.06
2 Pakistani ( ) 5.22
3 Jatt_Pahari ( ) 7.37
4 Jatt_Haryana ( ) 7.47
5 GujaratiA_GIH ( ) 7.63
6 Tiwari ( ) 9.12
7 Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) 9.97
8 GujaratiB_GIH ( ) 11.01
9 Brahmin_Tamil ( ) 13.83
10 Sindhi ( ) 13.94
11 Vaish ( ) 14.49
12 Burusho ( ) 14.93
13 Kshatriya ( ) 14.93
14 Pathan ( ) 15.12
15 Cochin_Jew ( ) 15.6
16 Brahmins_UP ( ) 16.6
17 TN_Brahmin ( ) 16.73
18 Mumbai_Jew ( ) 17.69
19 Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) 18.17
20 Meghawal ( ) 19.46

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 59.3% GujaratiC_GIH ( ) + 40.7% Pashtun_Afghani ( ) @ 2.42
2 77.7% Pathan ( ) + 22.3% Madiga ( ) @ 2.47
3 62.7% GujaratiB_GIH ( ) + 37.3% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) @ 2.52
4 64.5% TN_Brahmin ( ) + 35.5% Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim ( ) @ 2.53
5 51.6% Velama ( ) + 48.4% Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim ( ) @ 2.57
6 63.2% TN_Brahmin ( ) + 36.8% Pashtun_Afghani ( ) @ 2.58
7 64.3% Pathan ( ) + 35.7% Muslim_India ( ) @ 2.59
8 73.6% Pathan ( ) + 26.4% Bhil ( ) @ 2.6
9 75.3% Pathan ( ) + 24.7% Chamar ( ) @ 2.6
10 55.9% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 44.1% Tiwari ( ) @ 2.64
11 71.2% Pathan ( ) + 28.8% Dusadh ( ) @ 2.67
12 57.9% GujaratiD_GIH ( ) + 42.1% Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) @ 2.68
13 76.4% Pathan ( ) + 23.6% Mala ( ) @ 2.68
14 76.6% Pathan ( ) + 23.4% Kurumba ( ) @ 2.68
15 75.8% Pathan ( ) + 24.2% Hakkipikki ( ) @ 2.68
16 81.1% GujaratiB_GIH ( ) + 18.9% Tajik_Yagnobi ( ) @ 2.69
17 55.2% Velamas ( ) + 44.8% Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) @ 2.69
18 51.5% Velamas ( ) + 48.5% Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim ( ) @ 2.71
19 60.7% GujaratiC_GIH ( ) + 39.3% Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim ( ) @ 2.75
20 70.7% Pathan ( ) + 29.3% Tharu ( ) @ 2.7

Dr_McNinja
09-13-2014, 11:16 AM
HRP0402 (jatt muslim pakistani/pahari)

Population
Amerindian -
Ancestral_Altaic 4.55%
South_Central_Asian 36.91%
Arctic 1.75%
South_Indian 34.10%
Australoid -
Austronesian -
Caucasian 12.01%
Archaic_Human 0.18%
East_African -
East_Siberian -
European_Early_Farmers 1.70%
Khoisan -
Melano_Polynesian -
Archaic_African 0.33%
Near_East 1.57%
North_African -
Paleo_Siberian 1.28%
African_Pygmy -
South_East_Asian -
Subsaharian -
Tungus-Altaic -
European_Hunters_Gatherers 5.63%

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Jatt_Pahari ( ) 1.97
2 Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) 6.13
3 Jatt_Haryana ( ) 6.79
4 Jatt_Muslim ( ) 7.61
5 Pakistani ( ) 7.71
6 Pathan ( ) 9.61
7 GujaratiA_GIH ( ) 10.72
8 Sindhi ( ) 12.2
9 Burusho ( ) 12.83
10 Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) 13.39
11 Tiwari ( ) 14.89
12 Cochin_Jew ( ) 15.46
13 Mumbai_Jew ( ) 16.14
14 GujaratiB_GIH ( ) 16.28
15 Brahmin_Tamil ( ) 19.13
16 Vaish ( ) 20.12
17 Kshatriya ( ) 20.57
18 TN_Brahmin ( ) 22.13
19 Brahmins_UP ( ) 22.37
20 Pashtun_Afghani ( ) 23.17

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 87% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 13% Pakistani ( ) @ 1.61
2 96.7% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 3.3% GujaratiD_GIH ( ) @ 1.67
3 94.1% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 5.9% GujaratiB_GIH ( ) @ 1.68
4 96.1% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 3.9% Meghawal ( ) @ 1.69
5 91.4% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 8.6% GujaratiA_GIH ( ) @ 1.7
6 97.2% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 2.8% Velamas ( ) @ 1.7
7 96.3% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 3.7% GujaratiC_GIH ( ) @ 1.71
8 95.1% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 4.9% Brahmin_Tamil ( ) @ 1.71
9 95.8% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 4.2% TN_Brahmin ( ) @ 1.72
10 95.6% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 4.4% Kshatriya ( ) @ 1.72
11 97.2% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 2.8% Velama ( ) @ 1.72
12 97.7% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 2.3% Naidu ( ) @ 1.72
13 88.9% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 11.1% Jatt_Muslim ( ) @ 1.73
14 97.9% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 2.1% Vysya ( ) @ 1.73
15 96.8% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 3.2% Punjabi_Lahore_PJL ( ) @ 1.74
16 97.7% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 2.3% Piramalai_Kallar ( ) @ 1.74
17 97.3% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 2.7% Kanjar ( ) @ 1.74
18 97.2% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 2.8% Lambadi ( ) @ 1.75
19 95.8% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 4.2% Vaish ( ) @ 1.75
20 97.2% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 2.8% Dharkar ( ) @ 1.76

Dr_McNinja
09-13-2014, 11:25 AM
HRP0370 Afghan Pashtun

Population
Amerindian 1.10%
Ancestral_Altaic 5.13%
South_Central_Asian 35.61%
Arctic 0.13%
South_Indian 15.88%
Australoid -
Austronesian -
Caucasian 20.99%
Archaic_Human 0.06%
East_African 0.72%
East_Siberian 0.43%
European_Early_Farmers 2.30%
Khoisan 0.10%
Melano_Polynesian -
Archaic_African -
Near_East 3.13%
North_African 2.29%
Paleo_Siberian 0.65%
African_Pygmy -
South_East_Asian -
Subsaharian -
Tungus-Altaic 1.67%
European_Hunters_Gatherers 9.82%

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Afghan_Pushtun ( ) 1.47
2 Pashtun_Afghani ( ) 6.33
3 Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim ( ) 9.58
4 Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) 10.81
5 Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan ( ) 11.07
6 Uzbek_Afghan ( ) 12.39
7 Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) 12.82
8 Tajik_Afghan ( ) 12.93
9 Parsi ( ) 14.22
10 Tajik_Yagnobi ( ) 17.33
11 Pathan ( ) 17.82
12 Jatt_Pahari ( ) 23.77
13 Burusho ( ) 24.5
14 Turkmen_Uzbekistan ( ) 24.65
15 Jatt_Haryana ( ) 24.84
16 Mumbai_Jew ( ) 24.99
17 Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) 25.98
18 Iranian ( ) 27.55
19 Cochin_Jew ( ) 27.85
20 Makrani ( ) 28.22

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 99.1% Afghan_Pushtun ( ) + 0.9% Ossetian ( ) @ 1.36
2 99.1% Afghan_Pushtun ( ) + 0.9% North_Ossetian ( ) @ 1.36
3 99.3% Afghan_Pushtun ( ) + 0.7% Adjara ( ) @ 1.36
4 99.3% Afghan_Pushtun ( ) + 0.7% Georgian_Tbilisi ( ) @ 1.37
5 99.3% Afghan_Pushtun ( ) + 0.7% Georgian_Svan ( ) @ 1.37
6 99.3% Afghan_Pushtun ( ) + 0.7% Abkhasian ( ) @ 1.37
7 99.3% Afghan_Pushtun ( ) + 0.7% Georgian_Imereti ( ) @ 1.37
8 96.5% Afghan_Pushtun ( ) + 3.5% Parsi ( ) @ 1.37
9 99.3% Afghan_Pushtun ( ) + 0.7% Georgian_Megrelia ( ) @ 1.37
10 99.1% Afghan_Pushtun ( ) + 0.9% Balkar ( ) @ 1.37
11 99.3% Afghan_Pushtun ( ) + 0.7% Georgian ( ) @ 1.37
12 99.1% Afghan_Pushtun ( ) + 0.9% Adygei ( ) @ 1.38
13 99% Afghan_Pushtun ( ) + 1% Chechen ( ) @ 1.38
14 98.8% Afghan_Pushtun ( ) + 1.2% Avar ( ) @ 1.38
15 99.4% Afghan_Pushtun ( ) + 0.6% Georgian_Laz ( ) @ 1.38
16 99.1% Afghan_Pushtun ( ) + 0.9% Circassian ( ) @ 1.38
17 98.7% Afghan_Pushtun ( ) + 1.3% Nogai ( ) @ 1.38
18 99% Afghan_Pushtun ( ) + 1% Kabardin ( ) @ 1.38
19 99.3% Afghan_Pushtun ( ) + 0.7% Kakheti ( ) @ 1.38
20 98.8% Afghan_Pushtun ( ) + 1.2% Lezgin ( ) @ 1.38

Dr_McNinja
09-13-2014, 11:31 AM
HRP0393 Haryana Jatt (only 87-88k SNPs used, I'll post the other two Haryanvi Jatts later)

Population
Amerindian 1.42%
Ancestral_Altaic 8.36%
South_Central_Asian 31.20%
Arctic -
South_Indian 33.44%
Australoid -
Austronesian -
Caucasian 12.58%
Archaic_Human -
East_African -
East_Siberian 0.87%
European_Early_Farmers 0.98%
Khoisan -
Melano_Polynesian -
Archaic_African -
Near_East -
North_African -
Paleo_Siberian -
African_Pygmy -
South_East_Asian -
Subsaharian 0.10%
Tungus-Altaic 0.23%
European_Hunters_Gatherers 10.81%

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Jatt_Haryana ( ) 1.8
2 Jatt_Pahari ( ) 6.3
3 Jatt_Muslim ( ) 9.39
4 Pakistani ( ) 11.55
5 Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) 11.63
6 Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) 12.06
7 Pathan ( ) 12.12
8 Cochin_Jew ( ) 13.39
9 GujaratiA_GIH ( ) 13.42
10 Burusho ( ) 13.84
11 Mumbai_Jew ( ) 14.52
12 Tiwari ( ) 15.06
13 Sindhi ( ) 17.13
14 GujaratiB_GIH ( ) 17.86
15 Brahmin_Tamil ( ) 20.46
16 Vaish ( ) 20.73
17 Kshatriya ( ) 21.45
18 Brahmins_UP ( ) 22.36
19 Pashtun_Afghani ( ) 23.06
20 TN_Brahmin ( ) 23.08

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 98.8% Jatt_Haryana ( ) + 1.2% Georgian_Tbilisi ( ) @ 1.36
2 98.8% Jatt_Haryana ( ) + 1.2% Georgian_Svan ( ) @ 1.37
3 98.8% Jatt_Haryana ( ) + 1.2% Georgian_Imereti ( ) @ 1.37
4 98.7% Jatt_Haryana ( ) + 1.3% Adjara ( ) @ 1.38
5 98.8% Jatt_Haryana ( ) + 1.2% Georgian_Megrelia ( ) @ 1.38
6 98.7% Jatt_Haryana ( ) + 1.3% Abkhasian ( ) @ 1.38
7 98.9% Jatt_Haryana ( ) + 1.1% Georgian_Laz ( ) @ 1.38
8 98.8% Jatt_Haryana ( ) + 1.2% Georgian ( ) @ 1.39
9 99% Jatt_Haryana ( ) + 1% 1_Gokhem5 ( ) @ 1.42
10 98.6% Jatt_Haryana ( ) + 1.4% Ossetian ( ) @ 1.43
11 98.6% Jatt_Haryana ( ) + 1.4% North_Ossetian ( ) @ 1.43
12 98.7% Jatt_Haryana ( ) + 1.3% Kakheti ( ) @ 1.43
13 98.6% Jatt_Haryana ( ) + 1.4% Balkar ( ) @ 1.44
14 98.6% Jatt_Haryana ( ) + 1.4% Adygei ( ) @ 1.44
15 97.8% Jatt_Haryana ( ) + 2.2% Roma_Macedonian ( ) @ 1.45
16 98.5% Jatt_Haryana ( ) + 1.5% Chechen ( ) @ 1.45
17 98.5% Jatt_Haryana ( ) + 1.5% Kabardin ( ) @ 1.46
18 98.8% Jatt_Haryana ( ) + 1.2% Turk_Trabzon ( ) @ 1.47
19 98.7% Jatt_Haryana ( ) + 1.3% Circassian ( ) @ 1.48
20 98.4% Jatt_Haryana ( ) + 1.6% Avar ( ) @ 1.49

soulblighter
09-13-2014, 11:36 AM
Breakdown:


Population
Amerindian -
Ancestral_Altaic 3.63%
South_Central_Asian 28.86%
Arctic 0.42%
South_Indian 50.84%
Australoid -
Austronesian 2.20%
Caucasian 5.97%
Archaic_Human 0.27%
East_African -
East_Siberian 0.61%
European_Early_Farmers -
Khoisan 0.15%
Melano_Polynesian -
Archaic_African -
Near_East 1.40%
North_African 1.38%
Paleo_Siberian -
African_Pygmy -
South_East_Asian 0.38%
Subsaharian -
Tungus-Altaic -
European_Hunters_Gatherers 3.87%



Oracle:


# Population (source) Distance
1 Brahmins_UP ( ) 3.77
2 Vaish ( ) 4.17
3 TN_Brahmin ( ) 4.27
4 Brahmin_Tamil ( ) 5.34
5 GujaratiC_GIH ( ) 6
6 Kshatriya ( ) 6.32
7 Punjabi_Lahore_PJL ( ) 7.21
8 Meghawal ( ) 7.68
9 GujaratiB_GIH ( ) 8.48
10 Tiwari ( ) 8.77
11 Srivastava ( ) 9.3
12 Dharkar ( ) 9.47
13 Lambadi ( ) 9.63
14 GujaratiD_GIH ( ) 11.31
15 Muslim_India ( ) 11.4
16 Kanjar ( ) 11.81
17 Marwadi_Middle_caste ( ) 12.03
18 Velama ( ) 12.89
19 Velamas ( ) 13.25
20 Dhaka_mixed_popul ( ) 13.7


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 74% Kanjar ( ) + 26% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) @ 2.23
2 63.9% Pakistani ( ) + 36.1% Chenchu ( ) @ 2.24
3 54.6% Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) + 45.4% Chenchu ( ) @ 2.35
4 55.1% Tharu ( ) + 44.9% Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) @ 2.37
5 60.1% Dusadh ( ) + 39.9% Pathan ( ) @ 2.37
6 77.6% Piramalai_Kallar ( ) + 22.4% Tajik_Yagnobi ( ) @ 2.41
7 54.6% Pakistani ( ) + 45.4% Tharu ( ) @ 2.43
8 68.8% Pakistani ( ) + 31.2% Nihali ( ) @ 2.48
9 55.9% Vishwabrahmin ( ) + 44.1% Pathan ( ) @ 2.48
10 76.7% Naidu ( ) + 23.3% Tajik_Yagnobi ( ) @ 2.49
11 81.4% Muslim_India ( ) + 18.6% Makrani ( ) @ 2.52
12 70% Lambadi ( ) + 30% Jatt_Haryana ( ) @ 2.52
13 84.1% Kanjar ( ) + 15.9% Tajik_Yagnobi ( ) @ 2.52
14 66.5% Pakistani ( ) + 33.5% Kurumba ( ) @ 2.52
15 60.5% Scheduled_Caste_UP ( ) + 39.5% Pathan ( ) @ 2.53
16 56.3% Kol ( ) + 43.7% Pathan ( ) @ 2.54
17 78.1% Lambadi ( ) + 21.9% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) @ 2.54
18 79.7% Kanjar ( ) + 20.3% Afghan_Pushtun ( ) @ 2.55
19 71.7% Pakistani ( ) + 28.3% Malayan ( ) @ 2.55

Dr_McNinja
09-13-2014, 11:44 AM
Also for South Asians, a pattern seems to emerge in column AE (Near East, North African, Caucasian, and half of South Indian).

The volatility is in Gedrosian/ANI. That's because of the ANE present within it. But the Caucasian half of S-Indian is mostly from our ENF-type admixture, which is why it's rather consistent across individuals in spite of the different S-Indian amounts. My S-Indian being high limits my Caucasian to way below everyone else. So it's almost like the South Indian takes priority for the software over Gedrosian as a South Asian component. The problem is that South Indian is dictated by an imprecise/ambiguous ASI element so it too varies, which forces Gedrosian to vary.

I think the Pashtun affinity to Caucasian is what makes them a more stable and superior proxy for ANI than Baloch or Kalash. The Pashtun component swallows up the nearby Caucasian stuff and kind of ups its own priority as far as the software is concerned. But the main thing is that we know there is ANI ancestry for most people here (even the South Indians here are Brahmins). South Indian is just a bad choice because of its Caucasian component. It's extremely unlikely our Caucasian is from Southeast India rather than Southwest Asia.

My result could also swap from 28% equivalent to HRP0341/HRP0353 to 31% equivalent to HRP0350/Kenji depending on if I treated EEF like Caucasian or European. On the PCA, EEF is next to Caucasian at the extreme end.To elaborate on this, the Caucasian half of S-Indian mostly resembles our generic ENF-type admixture the best, so it takes priority and as much of it as it can before it goes into other components. The problem comes from thinking a component signifies an "origin". It's why the same effect is achieved whether we use South Indians or Gujaratis or another Indian group, we should call it just "Indian" to mean our admixture resembles it and to symbolize the whole subcontinent/country. That makes sense. NW Indians should resemble South Indians almost as much as Gedrosian/Baloch/whatever, but both (NW Indians and S-Indians) got their admixture from ancestral SW-Asia/Near East. That's where it originated.

Since we don't have a good ASI stand-in in any calculator aside from Eurogenes ANE K7, any kind of ambiguous East Eurasian is lumped in with ASI and attracts even more of our basal ENF admixture for a larger "Indian" resemblance. That wouldn't be a bad "strategy" for the software except we're labeling the component South Indian which seems to imply that our admixture is coming from there, when it just resembles it, the only Indian population in the group.

Gedrosian is kind of a middle or leftover Caucasian signal which is next in resemblance/priority, but depending on ANE admixture, will take more or less priority. ANE however is fractured differently in different individuals, thus the many outliers in Gedrosian and excess Caucasian left over as West/North Caucasus (depending on how much ANE is used). (So in my case where some ANE seems to turn into ENA means less Gedrosian, more excess East Eurasian, more basal Caucasian, hence higher S-Indian priority, and still some East Eurasian left over in Arctic components and ENF-type left over in Atlantic-Mediterranean/West Europe/Near East)

FTDNA using Pashtun avoided all that because they had a strong pull towards ANE and Gedrosian/Caucasus, even some Near East-type admixture so it pulls in excess ENF-type. We're left with two big scores, Indian, and whatever Pashtun represents. As Sein said, they are a great group to use to represent Central Asia but because they inherit the Indo-European affinities, "Eurasian Heartland" was pretty literally correct. They had plenty of attraction to Europe too. Their original idea to label South Asian (using Gujarati reference population) "Indian subcontinent" also was pretty good.

S-Indian is fundamentally an incorrect component to use though because of these issues. Our ENF type admixture as I said above didn't come from SE-India, it came from SW-Asia/Near East. If we could isolate ASI we'd see even the South Indians getting pulled sharply to the Northwest with very low ASI scores relative to their current ENF (as is seen in ANE K7). That's also because modern South Indians likely have many autosomal genetic links to "ANI". Ideally we'd use South Indians as a stand-in for North India or India in general if we had to use it as a component at all. That's what the software's representing with it. Gujarati does the same in FTDNA but it winds up fighting whatever ANI component is used (whether Baloch, Kalash, or Pashtun).

NK19191
09-13-2014, 12:01 PM
Admix Results (sorted):


# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 35.5
2 South_Central_Asian 25.24
3 Near_East 12.41
4 South_Indian 6
5 European_Early_Farmers 5.92
6 European_Hunters_Gatherers 5.46
7 Ancestral_Altaic 3.45
8 South_East_Asian 2.06
9 North_African 1.23
10 Arctic 1.11
11 Melano_Polynesian 0.58
12 Archaic_Human 0.39
13 African_Pygmy 0.32
14 Australoid 0.16
15 East_African 0.11
16 East_Siberian 0.07


Single Population Sharing:


# Population (source) Distance
1 Iranian ( ) 6.24
2 Azeri ( ) 9.38
3 Kurd ( ) 9.4
4 Uzbek_Tashkent ( ) 12.43
5 Baku_WGA ( ) 12.82
6 Iraki ( ) 12.99
7 Turk_Adana ( ) 13.51
8 Uzbekistani_Jew ( ) 15.21
9 Stalskoe_Kumyk ( ) 15.63
10 Kurd_Jew ( ) 16.33
11 Turk ( ) 17.32
12 Ain_Touta_WGA ( ) 17.45
13 Turk_Kayseri ( ) 17.6
14 Azeri_Dagestan ( ) 17.67
15 Lak ( ) 17.83
16 Georgian_Jew ( ) 17.89
17 Tabassaran ( ) 18.02
18 Turk_Aydin ( ) 18.05
19 Iranian_Jew ( ) 18.33
20 Dargin_Urkarah ( ) 18.45


Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 78.1% Uzbekistani_Jew ( ) + 21.9% Burusho ( ) @ 2.75
2 66.3% Georgian_Jew ( ) + 33.7% Pashtun_Afghani ( ) @ 2.87
3 60.6% Jew_Tat ( ) + 39.4% Pashtun_Afghani ( ) @ 2.94
4 67% Uzbekistani_Jew ( ) + 33% Afghan_Pushtun ( ) @ 3.19
5 61.5% Jew_Tat ( ) + 38.5% Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim ( ) @ 3.25
6 75.9% Uzbekistani_Jew ( ) + 24.1% Pathan ( ) @ 3.29
7 70.1% Uzbekistani_Jew ( ) + 29.9% Pashtun_Afghani ( ) @ 3.29
8 60.9% Iraqi_Jew ( ) + 39.1% Pashtun_Afghani ( ) @ 3.31
9 90.8% Kurd ( ) + 9.2% Onge ( ) @ 3.43
10 63.3% Georgian_Jew ( ) + 36.7% Afghan_Pushtun ( ) @ 3.44
11 79.9% Uzbekistani_Jew ( ) + 20.1% Sindhi ( ) @ 3.48
12 91.7% Kurd ( ) + 8.3% Kharia ( ) @ 3.56
13 57.3% Jew_Tat ( ) + 42.7% Afghan_Pushtun ( ) @ 3.56
14 88.1% Kurd ( ) + 11.9% Nepalese ( ) @ 3.56
15 72.8% Uzbekistani_Jew ( ) + 27.2% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) @ 3.62
16 92% Kurd ( ) + 8% Dhurwa ( ) @ 3.69
17 69.8% Azeri ( ) + 30.2% Parsi ( ) @ 3.7
18 78.7% Uzbekistani_Jew ( ) + 21.3% Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) @ 3.71
19 92% Kurd ( ) + 8% Bhunjia ( ) @ 3.71
20 72.8% Georgian_Jew ( ) + 27.2% Pathan ( ) @ 3.71

kenji.aryan
09-13-2014, 03:23 PM
I think this is where kenji plots - on the India-Pakistan border in South Punjab.

https://www.google.ca/maps/place/30%C2%B025'24.8%22N+74%C2%B001'16.4%22E/@34.097202,73.0130539,6z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x0


How can you tell this?
is there some kinda tool for it?

Rukha
09-13-2014, 04:24 PM
Oracle 4 gave me this:

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Pakistani_Pushtun +50% Tajik_Yagnobi @ 4.388344

Which makes sense. I think my maternal side (Karlani Pashtun) is more South Asian shifted than your average Durrani, and my paternal (Panjshiri Tajik) less so, which is why my results tend to be Durrani-like with more of a North Eurasian pull.

everest59
09-13-2014, 04:28 PM
Here's mine. I'm a Nepalese Brahmin:



Population
Amerindian 0.57%
Ancestral_Altaic 5.17%
South_Central_Asian 31.05%
Arctic 1.39%
South_Indian 37.25%
Australoid -
Austronesian 0.81%
Caucasian 9.98%
Archaic_Human -
East_African -
East_Siberian -
European_Early_Farmers 0.84%
Khoisan -
Melano_Polynesian 0.67%
Archaic_African -
Near_East -
North_African -
Paleo_Siberian 0.19%
African_Pygmy -
South_East_Asian 2.00%
Subsaharian -
Tungus-Altaic 2.35%
European_Hunters_Gatherers 7.72%


Oracle:


1 pop
1 Jatt_Muslim @ 5.168109
2 Jatt_Haryana @ 6.970958
3 Tiwari @ 7.768763
4 Jatt_Pahari @ 8.512095
5 GujaratiA_GIH @ 8.520392
6 Pakistani @ 9.104474
7 GujaratiB_GIH @ 10.682746
8 Vaish @ 12.760085
9 Kshatriya @ 12.935912
10 Punjabi_Gujjar @ 13.393120
11 Brahmin_Tamil @ 13.546372
12 Cochin_Jew @ 14.254344
13 Brahmins_UP @ 14.573712
14 Pakistani_Pushtun @ 14.621076
15 Mumbai_Jew @ 14.828198
16 Pathan @ 15.425746
17 Burusho @ 15.508182
18 TN_Brahmin @ 16.186518
19 Sindhi @ 16.870111
20 Meghawal @ 17.661121
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Piramalai_Kallar +50% Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan @ 2.302516


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Piramalai_Kallar +25% Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim +25% Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan @ 2.160800


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Lambadi + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim + Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan + Vysya @ 1.899118
2 GujaratiD_GIH + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim + Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan + Vishwabrahmin @ 2.048897
3 Piramalai_Kallar + Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan + Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan + Vysya @ 2.087556
4 Lambadi + Lodhi + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 2.090164
5 Lambadi + Scheduled_Caste_UP + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 2.091657
6 Scheduled_Caste_UP + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim + Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan + Velamas @ 2.106821
7 Lambadi + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim + Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan + Vysya @ 2.126652
8 Lodhi + Piramalai_Kallar + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim + Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan @ 2.133837
9 Piramalai_Kallar + Piramalai_Kallar + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim + Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan @ 2.160800
10 Bengali_Bangladesh_BEB + Pakistani + Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan + Tiwari @ 2.166755
11 Scheduled_Caste_UP + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim + Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan + Velama @ 2.169428
12 Dusadh + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim + Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan + Velamas @ 2.172720
13 Kanjar + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim + Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan + Vysya @ 2.175790
14 GujaratiD_GIH + Kamsali + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim + Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan @ 2.180608
15 Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim + Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan + Velamas + Vishwabrahmin @ 2.183460
16 Lambadi + Scheduled_Caste_Tamil_Nadu + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim + Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan @ 2.186034
17 GujaratiD_GIH + Kol + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim + Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan @ 2.200183
18 Kamsali + Lambadi + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim + Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan @ 2.210428
19 Dusadh + Lambadi + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 2.217819
20 Naidu + Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan + Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan + Vysya @ 2.217962

Dimanto
09-13-2014, 04:55 PM
This is what I get in 4-oracle when I use rawdata from 23andme.


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 30.44
2 European_Early_Farmers 27.71
3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 23.63
4 South_Central_Asian 7.36
5 Near_East 4.61
6 North_African 2.91
7 Ancestral_Altaic 2.61


Using 1 population approximation:
1 Kosovar @ 8.074533
2 Italian_Tuscan @ 9.960309
3 Italian_Piedmont @ 10.037721
4 Greek_Thessaly @ 10.776674
5 Greek_Thessaloniki @ 11.394757
6 Albanian_Tirana @ 11.635029
7 Italian_Bergamo @ 11.827899
8 Bulgarian @ 12.169189
9 Central_Greek @ 13.478659
10 Italian_Abruzzo @ 13.812310
11 Greek_Peloponnesos @ 13.905783
12 Macedonian @ 14.052575
13 Montenegrian @ 14.622158
14 Romanian @ 14.835368
15 Sicilian_Trapani @ 15.229655
16 French @ 15.529048
17 Gagauz @ 15.753303
18 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain @ 15.819877
19 Ashkenazi_Jew @ 15.887488
20 South_German @ 16.116692

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Italian_South +50% Welsh @ 2.494922


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% English +25% Spanish_Andalucia_IBS +25% Turk_Trabzon @ 1.535988


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Armenian_Yerevan + English_Cornwall_GBR + Sardinian + Ukrainian_East @ 1.136079
2 Armenian + Croat_BH + French + Spanish_Cantabria_IBS @ 1.146280
3 Armenian + Dutch + Sardinian + Sorb @ 1.148814
4 Armenian_Yerevan + Dutch + Sardinian + Sorb @ 1.154213
5 English + South_German + Spanish_Andalucia_IBS + Turk_Trabzon @ 1.171559
6 1_LBK380 + Chechen + Lithuanian + Spanish_Andalucia_IBS @ 1.179159
7 South_German + Spanish_Murcia_IBS + Turk_Trabzon + Welsh @ 1.201527
8 South_German + Spanish_Extremadura_IBS + Turk_Trabzon + Welsh @ 1.218308
9 Armenian_Yerevan + French_South + Pole_South + Spanish_Baleares_IBS @ 1.220609
10 English + South_German + Spanish_Castilla_la_Mancha_IBS + Turk_Trabzon @ 1.221242
11 1_Skoglund_farmer + Belarusian + Kakheti + Maltese @ 1.223299
12 Armenian_Yerevan + English_Cornwall_GBR + Russian_South + Sardinian @ 1.229182
13 1_Skoglund_farmer + Kakheti + Maltese + Pole @ 1.231377
14 French + North_German + Spanish_Extremadura_IBS + Turk_Trabzon @ 1.232467
15 Armenian + English_Cornwall_GBR + Russian_South + Sardinian @ 1.244985
16 Armenian_Yerevan + English_Cornwall_GBR + Sardinian + Ukrainian_Russian @ 1.258378
17 Armenian_Yerevan + Pole_South + Spanish_Cataluna_IBS + Spanish_Valencia_IBS @ 1.259799
18 English_Kent_GBR + South_German + Spanish_Andalucia_IBS + Turk_Trabzon @ 1.264382
19 CEU + South_German + Spanish_Andalucia_IBS + Turk_Trabzon @ 1.268688
20 1_Skoglund_farmer + Belarusian_South + Kakheti + Maltese @ 1.278332

Vadim Verenich
09-13-2014, 06:02 PM
By the way, one can't blame "the calculator effect" for producing the strange results.

There is no calculator effect in the K23b, because i created this calculator according to Polako's guidelines

1) Set aside five of the most typical individuals from each of your reference populations.

2) Run your ADMIXTURE analysis with the remaining samples.

3) Use the allele frequencies from the ADMIXTURE run to test the individuals you set aside and produce population averages from their results only.

This should fix all the problems. I set aside 3000 individials from my dataset and then i ran the ADMIXTURE analysis on the rest of my dataset (circa 2000 persons). After that i used the allele frequencies inferred from the ADMXTURE run for making DIY calculator and ran 2000 persons through this DIY calcultor to produce population averages from the results of people not included into the original ADMIXTURE run.

Contrary to Polako's assertion, the last step of running thousands individuals through DIY calculator was not very time consuming, because i wrote a script to do this job and it took me only 30 hours to accomplish the task.

Nevertheless, here is another effect of sampling that comes to play its crucial role in downplaying the K23b's accuracy. This is the effect of ascertainment bias that was explained by Dienekes's years ago: " for short clines (e.g., within Europe) that are not securely fastened (few individuals from outlying groups), we can expect relatively large systematic errors...increasing sample sizes will not overcome this issue because adding more individuals does not change the set of SNPs that the various groups/companies have genotyped over them."

Dr_McNinja
09-13-2014, 06:36 PM
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuXBmvmgdkfVdFMtRHVlZDBuQ3lMcjhxMDE4V3JoY lE&usp=drive_web#gid=23

Even the Bengali individual's total "basal" (probably ENF-like) Caucasian is similar to the rest of us at 28-31% though they have 54% South Indian.

Varun R
09-13-2014, 07:05 PM
# Population Percent
1 South_Indian 45.85
2 South_Central_Asian 32.09
3 Caucasian 7.11
4 European_Hunters_Gatherers 4.94
5 Ancestral_Altaic 3.74
6 South_East_Asian 2.1
7 East_Siberian 0.95
8 European_Early_Farmers 0.72
9 Archaic_African 0.53
10 Khoisan 0.53
11 Tungus-Altaic 0.51
12 Australoid 0.39
13 Arctic 0.32
14 Subsaharian 0.14
15 African_Pygmy 0.05
16 Paleo_Siberian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Tiwari ( ) 4.07
2 GujaratiB_GIH ( ) 4.12
3 Brahmin_Tamil ( ) 4.26
4 Vaish ( ) 4.91
5 Kshatriya ( ) 6.34
6 TN_Brahmin ( ) 6.99
7 Brahmins_UP ( ) 7.21
8 Jatt_Muslim ( ) 9.57
9 GujaratiC_GIH ( ) 9.88
10 Meghawal ( ) 10.16
11 Pakistani ( ) 10.44
12 GujaratiA_GIH ( ) 11.1
13 Punjabi_Lahore_PJL ( ) 12.57
14 Dharkar ( ) 15.25
15 Srivastava ( ) 15.33
16 Lambadi ( ) 15.42
17 GujaratiD_GIH ( ) 15.66
18 Jatt_Haryana ( ) 16.28
19 Jatt_Pahari ( ) 16.78
20 Muslim_India ( ) 17.52

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 81.3% Brahmin_Tamil ( ) + 18.7% Jatt_Haryana ( ) @ 2.06
2 95.3% Brahmin_Tamil ( ) + 4.7% Dargin_Urkarah ( ) @ 2.09
3 95.1% Brahmin_Tamil ( ) + 4.9% Nogai ( ) @ 2.09
4 80.7% Pakistani ( ) + 19.3% Nihali ( ) @ 2.1
5 95.4% Brahmin_Tamil ( ) + 4.6% Lak ( ) @ 2.12
6 86.8% TN_Brahmin ( ) + 13.2% Tajik_Afghan ( ) @ 2.13
7 71.8% Velamas ( ) + 28.2% Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) @ 2.13
8 68.8% Velama ( ) + 31.2% Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim ( ) @ 2.14
9 95.5% Brahmin_Tamil ( ) + 4.5% Avar ( ) @ 2.15
10 51.7% Pathan ( ) + 48.3% Scheduled_Caste_UP ( ) @ 2.16
11 95.3% Brahmin_Tamil ( ) + 4.7% Stalskoe_Kumyk ( ) @ 2.17
12 95.5% Brahmin_Tamil ( ) + 4.5% Lezgin ( ) @ 2.17
13 93.8% Brahmin_Tamil ( ) + 6.2% Tajik_Yagnobi ( ) @ 2.18
14 86.7% TN_Brahmin ( ) + 13.3% Uzbek_Afghan ( ) @ 2.18
15 95.5% Brahmin_Tamil ( ) + 4.5% Tabassaran ( ) @ 2.19
16 84.2% Pakistani ( ) + 15.8% Paniya ( ) @ 2.2
17 62.1% Naidu ( ) + 37.9% Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim ( ) @ 2.22
18 92.4% Brahmin_Tamil ( ) + 7.6% Tajik_Afghan ( ) @ 2.22
19 87.5% TN_Brahmin ( ) + 12.5% Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) @ 2.23
20 55.3% Pathan ( ) + 44.7% Vishwabrahmin ( ) @ 2.24

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Brahmin_Tamil +50% Tiwari @ 2.448662


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Brahmin_Tamil +25% GujaratiC_GIH +25% Jatt_Haryana @ 2.190094


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Bengali_Bangladesh_BEB + GujaratiD_GIH + Jatt_Haryana + Punjabi_Gujjar @ 1.898012
2 Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim + Vaish + Velama + Velama @ 2.020669
3 Brahmin_Tamil + Kanjar + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim + Velama @ 2.075948
4 Lambadi + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim + TN_Brahmin + Velama @ 2.086072
5 Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim + Vaish + Velama + Velamas @ 2.092729
6 Brahmin_Tamil + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim + TN_Brahmin + Vysya @ 2.102603

vettor
09-13-2014, 07:17 PM
By the way, one can't blame "the calculator effect" for producing the strange results.

There is no calculator effect in the K23b, because i created this calculator according to Polako's guidelines


This should fix all the problems. I set aside 3000 individials from my dataset and then i ran the ADMIXTURE analysis on the rest of my dataset (circa 2000 persons). After that i used the allele frequencies inferred from the ADMXTURE run for making DIY calculator and ran 2000 persons through this DIY calcultor to produce population averages from the results of people not included into the original ADMIXTURE run.

Contrary to Polako's assertion, the last step of running thousands individuals through DIY calculator was not very time consuming, because i wrote a script to do this job and it took me only 30 hours to accomplish the task.

Nevertheless, here is another effect of sampling that comes to play its crucial role in downplaying the K23b's accuracy. This is the effect of ascertainment bias that was explained by Dienekes's years ago: " for short clines (e.g., within Europe) that are not securely fastened (few individuals from outlying groups), we can expect relatively large systematic errors...increasing sample sizes will not overcome this issue because adding more individuals does not change the set of SNPs that the various groups/companies have genotyped over them."


I do not see errors ............as for the mixed populations , the person can choose which one best fits his known ancestors.....thats how I was told it works

Dimanto
09-13-2014, 07:17 PM
There is quite a difference when comparing the two rawdata results.

FTDNA:


# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 30.00
2 European_Early_Farmers 27.69
3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 23.28
4 South_Central_Asian 7.90
5 Near_East 5.82
6 Ancestral_Altaic 2.31
7 North_African 1.57


23andme:


# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 30.44
2 European_Early_Farmers 27.71
3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 23.63
4 South_Central_Asian 7.36
5 Near_East 4.61
6 North_African 2.91
7 Ancestral_Altaic 2.61


By the way, one can't blame "the calculator effect" for producing the strange results.

There is no calculator effect in the K23b, because i created this calculator according to Polako's guidelines


This should fix all the problems. I set aside 3000 individials from my dataset and then i ran the ADMIXTURE analysis on the rest of my dataset (circa 2000 persons). After that i used the allele frequencies inferred from the ADMXTURE run for making DIY calculator and ran 2000 persons through this DIY calcultor to produce population averages from the results of people not included into the original ADMIXTURE run.

Contrary to Polako's assertion, the last step of running thousands individuals through DIY calculator was not very time consuming, because i wrote a script to do this job and it took me only 30 hours to accomplish the task.

Nevertheless, here is another effect of sampling that comes to play its crucial role in downplaying the K23b's accuracy. This is the effect of ascertainment bias that was explained by Dienekes's years ago: " for short clines (e.g., within Europe) that are not securely fastened (few individuals from outlying groups), we can expect relatively large systematic errors...increasing sample sizes will not overcome this issue because adding more individuals does not change the set of SNPs that the various groups/companies have genotyped over them."

Dimanto
09-13-2014, 07:22 PM
I do not see errors ............as for the mixed populations , the person can choose which one best fits his known ancestors.....thats how I was told it works
I've never ever seen a calculator giving an option like; Spanish_Andalucia/Turk_Istanbul or British/Greek_Smyrna. With raw data of 23andme it seems to give somewhat more credible results in the 4-oracle mode but still.


23andme rawdata:


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 57.9% French ( ) + 42.1% Azov_Greek ( ) @ 1.75
2 55.3% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 44.7% Greek_Smyrna ( ) @ 2.08
3 53.7% English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) + 46.3% Greek_Smyrna ( ) @ 2.08
4 54.8% Welsh ( ) + 45.2% Greek_Islands ( ) @ 2.11
5 52.3% Welsh ( ) + 47.7% Greek_Smyrna ( ) @ 2.13
6 68.6% French ( ) + 31.4% Armenian ( ) @ 2.16
7 50.9% Azov_Greek ( ) + 49.1% Spanish_Galicia_IBS ( ) @ 2.2
8 73% French ( ) + 27% Turk_Trabzon ( ) @ 2.22
9 60.4% Spanish_Baleares_IBS ( ) + 39.6% Ossetian_Russian ( ) @ 2.24
10 51% Welsh ( ) + 49% Greek_Athens ( ) @ 2.24
11 50.8% Ossetian_Russian ( ) + 49.2% Spanish_Andalucia_IBS ( ) @ 2.26
12 68.8% French ( ) + 31.2% Assyrian_Arzni ( ) @ 2.27
13 81.9% Italian_Piedmont ( ) + 18.1% Tajik_Yagnobi ( ) @ 2.27
14 56.3% English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) + 43.7% Greek_Islands ( ) @ 2.28
15 69.2% French ( ) + 30.8% Armenian_Yerevan ( ) @ 2.29
16 51.5% Spaniard ( ) + 48.5% Turk_Istanbul ( ) @ 2.3
17 52% Welsh ( ) + 48% Italian_South ( ) @ 2.31
18 69% Spanish_Baleares_IBS ( ) + 31% Kabardin ( ) @ 2.33
19 50.7% Turk_Istanbul ( ) + 49.3% Spanish_Cataluna_IBS ( ) @ 2.42
20 58.2% Spanish_Baleares_IBS ( ) + 41.8% Turk_Istanbul ( )

Varun R
09-13-2014, 07:25 PM
@ Dimanto,

Posted on 23andMe by Vadim

"I wouldn't recommend using this calculator on Ancestry.com/NG Geno/FTDNA data. The K23b produces suboptimal results on this data due to the low overlap of SNPs"

ZephyrousMandaru
09-13-2014, 07:33 PM
If I recall correctly, there's a way to convert AncestryDNA, Geno 2.0 and Family Tree DNA raw data into 23andMe raw data.

bored
09-13-2014, 07:49 PM
How can you tell this?
is there some kinda tool for it?

I just plotted the coordinates that Dr_McNinja computed for you on one of his spreadsheets.

vettor
09-13-2014, 07:52 PM
I've never ever seen a calculator giving an option like; Spanish_Andalucia/Turk_Istanbul or British/Greek_Smyrna. With raw data of 23andme it seems to give somewhat more credible results in the 4-oracle mode but still.


23andme rawdata:

I only see a difference of a percentage point here and there from my 23andme data and ftdna or natgeno data

my 23andme data below

MDLP K23b Oracle

Kit M22????

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_Early_Farmers 28.49
2 Caucasian 28.43
3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 25.13
4 South_Central_Asian 5.25
5 Near_East 4.36
6 North_African 4.33
7 Ancestral_Altaic 3.04
8 Melano_Polynesian 0.98

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_German ( ) 8.83
2 Italian_Piedmont ( ) 9.24
3 Italian_Tuscan ( ) 9.73
4 Austrian ( ) 9.87
5 Italian_Bergamo ( ) 10.48
6 Sicilian_Trapani ( ) 12.05
7 Belgian ( ) 12.24
8 Hungarian ( ) 12.46
9 Slovenian ( ) 12.47
10 Dutch ( ) 12.67
11 Italian_Abruzzo ( ) 12.81
12 North_German ( ) 12.92
13 Hungarian_Budapest ( ) 13.49
14 Maltese ( ) 14
15 Sicilian_Agrigento ( ) 14.03
16 English ( ) 14.09
17 Montenegrian ( ) 14.39
18 German_East ( ) 14.56
19 Kosovar ( ) 15.25
20 Czech ( ) 15.33

I also ran all 7 of the T2b ydna people from gedmatch who match me above 9cm and they all have similar population percent points and all have south_german , but either austrian or hungarian next

kenji.aryan
09-13-2014, 07:53 PM
My father's results are remarkably similar to Kenji's

Population
Amerindian 0.98%
Ancestral_Altaic 4.51%
South_Central_Asian 31.87%
Arctic 0.80%
South_Indian 38.02%
Australoid -
Austronesian -
Caucasian 10.96%
Archaic_Human -
East_African 0.06%
East_Siberian -
European_Early_Farmers 1.06%
Khoisan -
Melano_Polynesian -
Archaic_African 0.45%
Near_East 1.00%
North_African -
Paleo_Siberian 0.30%
African_Pygmy -
South_East_Asian 2.39%
Subsaharian -
Tungus-Altaic -
European_Hunters_Gatherers 7.53%

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Jatt_Muslim ( ) 5.04
2 Jatt_Haryana ( ) 6.74
3 Jatt_Pahari ( ) 7.47
4 Pakistani ( ) 7.63
5 Tiwari ( ) 9.87
6 GujaratiA_GIH ( ) 10.28
7 Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) 11.73
8 GujaratiB_GIH ( ) 12.31
9 Cochin_Jew ( ) 12.75
10 Brahmin_Tamil ( ) 14.41
11 Vaish ( ) 14.92
12 Mumbai_Jew ( ) 15.03
13 Pathan ( ) 15.72
14 Kshatriya ( ) 16.03
15 Burusho ( ) 16.08
16 Sindhi ( ) 16.28
17 Brahmins_UP ( ) 16.96
18 Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) 17.18
19 TN_Brahmin ( ) 17.3
20 GujaratiC_GIH ( ) 20.33

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 88.4% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 11.6% Dhurwa ( ) @ 2.21
2 56% Velama ( ) + 44% Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) @ 2.22
3 87.9% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 12.1% Kharia ( ) @ 2.27
4 88.3% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 11.7% Bhunjia ( ) @ 2.27
5 88.7% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 11.3% Santhal ( ) @ 2.29
6 53.6% Vaish ( ) + 46.4% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) @ 2.3
7 78% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 22% Dhaka_mixed_popul ( ) @ 2.37
8 76% Brahmin_Tamil ( ) + 24% Tajik_Yagnobi ( ) @ 2.37
9 80.2% Pathan ( ) + 19.8% Paniya ( ) @ 2.39
10 61.1% Velamas ( ) + 38.9% Tajik_Yagnobi ( ) @ 2.44
11 55.1% Pashtun_Afghani ( ) + 44.9% Lodhi ( ) @ 2.44
12 54.5% Brahmin_Tamil ( ) + 45.5% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) @ 2.46
13 59.4% Pashtun_Afghani ( ) + 40.6% Kamsali ( ) @ 2.47
14 58.8% Pashtun_Afghani ( ) + 41.2% Kol ( ) @ 2.48
15 56.6% Pashtun_Afghani ( ) + 43.4% Dusadh ( ) @ 2.48
16 85.6% Jatt_Pahari ( ) + 14.4% Satnami ( ) @ 2.49
17 78.3% Pathan ( ) + 21.7% Santhal ( ) @ 2.5
18 57.2% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) + 42.8% Punjabi_Lahore_PJL ( ) @ 2.51
19 84.3% GujaratiB_GIH ( ) + 15.7% Stalskoe_Kumyk ( ) @ 2.51
20 76.8% Pathan ( ) + 23.2% Nihali ( ) @ 2.54



Here's mine


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 South_Indian 38.02
2 South_Central_Asian 31.7
3 Caucasian 9.47
4 European_Hunters_Gatherers 5.78
5 Ancestral_Altaic 4.5
6 South_East_Asian 3
7 Near_East 2.06
8 Arctic 1.68
9 East_Siberian 1.02
10 Amerindian 0.94
11 Melano_Polynesian 0.69
12 North_African 0.54
13 Tungus-Altaic 0.21
14 Archaic_Human 0.18
15 Australoid 0.11
16 Khoisan 0.06
17 Archaic_African 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Jatt_Muslim ( ) 4.76
2 Pakistani ( ) 7.24
3 Jatt_Haryana ( ) 8.31
4 Tiwari ( ) 8.52
5 GujaratiA_GIH ( ) 8.97
6 Jatt_Pahari ( ) 9.06
7 GujaratiB_GIH ( ) 10.98
8 Punjabi_Gujjar ( ) 12.36
9 Brahmin_Tamil ( ) 13.18
10 Vaish ( ) 13.59
11 Cochin_Jew ( ) 14.17
12 Kshatriya ( ) 14.46
13 Sindhi ( ) 15.7
14 Burusho ( ) 15.73
15 Brahmins_UP ( ) 15.73
16 TN_Brahmin ( ) 16.27
17 Pathan ( ) 16.76
18 Mumbai_Jew ( ) 17
19 Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) 18.85
20 Meghawal ( ) 18.98

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 62.6% Pathan ( ) + 37.4% Bengali_Bangladesh_BEB ( ) @ 2.91
2 71.2% Pathan ( ) + 28.8% Satnami ( ) @ 2.95
3 55.1% Dharkar ( ) + 44.9% Pashtun_Afghani ( ) @ 3.07
4 75.3% Pathan ( ) + 24.7% Nihali ( ) @ 3.1
5 77% Pathan ( ) + 23% Santhal ( ) @ 3.15
6 59.3% Pathan ( ) + 40.7% Dhaka_mixed_popul ( ) @ 3.17
7 67.6% Pathan ( ) + 32.4% Tharu ( ) @ 3.2
8 52% Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim ( ) + 48% Naidu ( ) @ 3.21
9 68.9% Vaish ( ) + 31.1% Pashtun_Afghani ( ) @ 3.23
10 55.1% Srivastava ( ) + 44.9% Pashtun_Afghani ( ) @ 3.23
11 58.5% Vaish ( ) + 41.5% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) @ 3.24
12 55% Pashtun_Afghani ( ) + 45% Scheduled_Caste_Tamil_Nadu ( ) @ 3.27
13 52.5% Kanjar ( ) + 47.5% Pashtun_Afghani ( ) @ 3.32
14 76.3% Pathan ( ) + 23.7% Bhunjia ( ) @ 3.33
15 56% Lambadi ( ) + 44% Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim ( ) @ 3.33
16 53.7% Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim ( ) + 46.3% Scheduled_Caste_Tamil_Nadu ( ) @ 3.33
17 53.2% Pashtun_Afghani ( ) + 46.8% Lodhi ( ) @ 3.34
18 76.4% Pathan ( ) + 23.6% Dhurwa ( ) @ 3.37
19 74% Vaish ( ) + 26% Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) @ 3.38
20 56.9% Kshatriya ( ) + 43.1% Pakistani_Pushtun ( ) @ 3.38

bored
09-14-2014, 12:26 AM
^^

Why is kenji consistently scoring above noise level SE Asian? I'm looking at HAP and no North Indians have SE Asian. Even the Uttarakhand Brahmin has no SE Asian while scoring a whooping 24 % NE Asian. The 4 Nepali groups only have 1 % SE Asian, which could be noise. Himachal is further north west of Uttarakhand and Nepal so I wouldn't expect Himachal people to have any SE Asian at all.

Dr_McNinja
09-14-2014, 01:24 AM
HAP: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuXBmvmgdkfVdFMtRHVlZDBuQ3lMcjhxMDE4V3JoY lE&usp=drive_web#gid=6

Sometimes NE-Asian or Arctic-type East Asian will show up as SE-Asian. In FTDNA myOrigins, my dad's 3% Northeast Asian came out as 5% Southeast Asian for me. This is happening in some Pashtun too in the Harappa results above.

ViktorL1
09-14-2014, 02:21 AM
HAP: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuXBmvmgdkfVdFMtRHVlZDBuQ3lMcjhxMDE4V3JoY lE&usp=drive_web#gid=6

Sometimes NE-Asian or Arctic-type East Asian will show up as SE-Asian. In FTDNA myOrigins, my dad's 3% Northeast Asian came out as 5% Southeast Asian for me. This is happening in some Pashtun too in the Harappa results above.

Yes... case in point, I recieved 8.43% South-East-Asian admixture on the K27 beta calculator. I clearly have no Southeast Asian roots, but I have substantial ancestry in Northeast Asia (Turkic/Mongol).

Ignis90
09-14-2014, 09:01 AM
My K23b (through gedmatch):


25.85% North_African

16.77% European_Early_Farmers
16.76% Near_East
14.35% Caucasian

9.41% Subsaharian
6.61% East_African
4.77% Archaic_African
3.98% European_Hunters_Gatherers

0.78% Austronesian
0.39% South_Indian
0.34% East_Siberian

Bolverkia
09-14-2014, 04:58 PM
To Bad I do not understand what I am reading. (Gedmatch)

MDLP Ancient Roots K17
Admixture Proportions

Population
Caucasian-Basal 6.78%
Melano-Austronesian 0.74%
Uralic 0.85%
Ancestral_East_Siberian -
Ancestral_West_Siberian 1.68%
Ancestral_North_Indian 1.12%
Ancestral_South_Indian 1.53%
West_European_HG 23.04%
Ancestral_Sami-Finnic 1.12%
South_East_Asian -
Archaic_African -
Ancestral_Mediterranean_EEF 17.80%
Circumpolar -
Near-East-Basal -
Ancestral_East_European_ANE 44.41%
African_Sub_Saharian 0.94%
Amerindian -

MDLP Ancient Roots K17 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Ancestral_East_European_ANE 44.41
2 West_European_HG 23.04
3 Ancestral_Mediterranean_EEF 17.8
4 Caucasian-Basal 6.78
5 Ancestral_West_Siberian 1.68
6 Ancestral_South_Indian 1.53
7 Ancestral_North_Indian 1.12
8 Ancestral_Sami-Finnic 1.12
9 African_Sub_Saharian 0.94
10 Uralic 0.85
11 Melano-Austronesian 0.74

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South-German 3.26
2 Austrian 5.9
3 N._European 8.43
4 Icelandic 8.72
5 Belgian 8.75
6 Mixed_European 9.47
7 Welsh 11.43
8 CEU 11.93
9 Hungarian 11.95
10 Icelandic 12.53
11 North_German 12.56
12 French 12.8
13 British_Kent 13.15
14 Mixed_German 13.29
15 Cornish 13.45
16 Slovenian 14.77
17 Croatian 15.69
18 Croat_BH 15.77
19 Bosnian 15.78
20 Croat 15.82

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 59.2% CEU + 40.8% Serb_Serbia @ 2.26
2 50.7% Scottish_Argyll + 49.3% Serb_Serbia @ 2.35
3 95.2% South-German + 4.8% Roma_BH @ 2.36
4 95.3% South-German + 4.7% Roma @ 2.37
5 95.8% South-German + 4.2% Roma_Macedonian @ 2.37
6 95.5% South-German + 4.5% Roma_Bulgarian @ 2.38
7 94.9% South-German + 5.1% Roma_Slovenian @ 2.38
8 50.4% Serb_Serbia + 49.6% Orcadian @ 2.44
9 96.7% South-German + 3.3% Turkish_Adana @ 2.57
10 91.6% South-German + 8.4% Romanian @ 2.57
11 97.3% South-German + 2.7% Turkish_Trabzon @ 2.57
12 94.9% South-German + 5.1% Central-Greek @ 2.65
13 95.7% South-German + 4.3% Azov_Greek @ 2.66
14 95.1% South-German + 4.9% Crimean_Tatar @ 2.66
15 97.6% South-German + 2.4% Georgian_Laz @ 2.67
16 96.5% South-German + 3.5% Greek-Islands @ 2.67
17 95.4% South-German + 4.6% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.68
18 97% South-German + 3% Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.68
19 94.7% South-German + 5.3% Toscani @ 2.68
20 96% South-German + 4% Romanian_Jew @ 2.69

Shaikorth
09-14-2014, 05:56 PM
Yes... case in point, I recieved 8.43% South-East-Asian admixture on the K27 beta calculator. I clearly have no Southeast Asian roots, but I have substantial ancestry in Northeast Asia (Turkic/Mongol).

Southeast Asian was probably spread by Turkics and Mongols because Hazaras have over 12% of it in this, and Mongolians have more. Tungus-Altaic is their main component and likely related to it, but Ancestral Altaic they have very little. East Siberian, Arctic and Paleo-Siberian of this calculator have a more northern distribution in the tundra zone.

Humanist
09-14-2014, 06:04 PM
To Bad I do not understand what I am reading. (Gedmatch)

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 59.2% CEU + 40.8% Serb_Serbia @ 2.26
2 50.7% Scottish_Argyll + 49.3% Serb_Serbia @ 2.35
3 95.2% South-German + 4.8% Roma_BH @ 2.36
4 95.3% South-German + 4.7% Roma @ 2.37
5 95.8% South-German + 4.2% Roma_Macedonian @ 2.37
6 95.5% South-German + 4.5% Roma_Bulgarian @ 2.38
7 94.9% South-German + 5.1% Roma_Slovenian @ 2.38
8 50.4% Serb_Serbia + 49.6% Orcadian @ 2.44
9 96.7% South-German + 3.3% Turkish_Adana @ 2.57
10 91.6% South-German + 8.4% Romanian @ 2.57
11 97.3% South-German + 2.7% Turkish_Trabzon @ 2.57
12 94.9% South-German + 5.1% Central-Greek @ 2.65
13 95.7% South-German + 4.3% Azov_Greek @ 2.66
14 95.1% South-German + 4.9% Crimean_Tatar @ 2.66
15 97.6% South-German + 2.4% Georgian_Laz @ 2.67
16 96.5% South-German + 3.5% Greek-Islands @ 2.67
17 95.4% South-German + 4.6% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.68
18 97% South-German + 3% Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.68
19 94.7% South-German + 5.3% Toscani @ 2.68
20 96% South-German + 4% Romanian_Jew @ 2.69

Welcome to the forum, Bolverkia. What is your ancestry?

ZephyrousMandaru
09-14-2014, 06:22 PM
I generated a plot in R using MDLP K23b data.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/537/aUXPvc.png

Featured participants include, Humanist, Peradam (Iraqi Arab), Hanna, Hanna's Aunt, myself and the two Iraqi Mandaeans.

Humanist
09-14-2014, 07:08 PM
I generated a plot in R using MDLP K23b data.

Featured participants include, Humanist, Peradam (Iraqi Arab), Hanna, Hanna's Aunt, myself and the two Iraqi Mandaeans.

You might as well exclude the "Assyrian_WGA." Does not make sense that you and I plot where we do, and "Assyrian_WGA" plots where it does.

Vadim Verenich
09-14-2014, 07:14 PM
Post your MDLP K23b calculator/Oracle/ ancestry here


My mom - Belarusian from western part of Belarus with some Polish and Lithuanian ancestry

MDLP K23b Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 57.04
2 Caucasian 27.38
3 European_Early_Farmers 9.92
4 Amerindian 1.40
5 Ancestral_Altaic 1.31


Finished reading population data. 543 populations found.
23 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Pole @ 3.538062
2 Russian-North-West @ 4.745205
3 Sorb @ 4.897013
4 Ukrainian @ 5.620977
5 Ukrainian_East @ 5.686464
6 Belarusian_South @ 5.822997
7 Russian-West @ 5.853759
8 Don_cossack @ 5.855858
9 Belarusian-East @ 5.922905
10 Russian_South @ 6.297547
11 Belarusian @ 6.370018
12 Ukrainian_Center @ 6.454403
13 Belarusian_West @ 6.820885
14 Russian_Center @ 7.503098
15 Belarusian_Russian @ 7.748761
16 Mixed_East_Slav @ 7.776146
17 Balt @ 8.163087
18 Russian-Upper-Volga @ 8.610848
19 Russian_Meshtchyora @ 8.791257
20 Estonian @ 8.900583

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Belarusian_South +50% Sorb @ 3.293130


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Latvian +25% Pole +25% Slovenian @ 2.968799


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Latvian + Pole + Sorb + Sorb @ 2.849724
2 Estonian + Pole + Sorb + Sorb @ 2.858366
3 Lithuanian + Pole + Sorb + Sorb @ 2.869887
4 Estonian + Pole + Pole + Sorb @ 2.883908
5 Estonian + Lithuanian + Pole + Slovenian @ 2.884681
6 Estonian + Hungarian + Lithuanian + Pole @ 2.923421
7 Lithuanian + Sorb + Sorb + Sorb @ 2.924687
8 Hungarian + Latvian + Lithuanian + Pole @ 2.924872
9 Latvian + Lithuanian + Pole + Slovenian @ 2.924959
10 Latvian + Latvian + Pole + Slovenian @ 2.968799
11 Latvian + Lithuanian + Slovenian + Sorb @ 2.971085
12 Estonian + Latvian + Pole + Slovenian @ 2.975024
13 Hungarian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Sorb @ 2.976157
14 Latvian + Pole + Pole + Sorb @ 2.981049
15 Hungarian + Latvian + Lithuanian + Sorb @ 2.988572
16 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Slovenian + Sorb @ 2.988580
17 Hungarian + Latvian + Latvian + Pole @ 2.994111
18 Latvian + Sorb + Sorb + Sorb @ 3.005200
19 Belarusian_Russian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + South_German @ 3.017842
20 Hungarian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Pole @ 3.022851

Vadim Verenich
09-14-2014, 07:27 PM
Me - Belarusian/Polishchuk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polishchuk)from western Belarus with some Ukrainian, Lithuanian and minor German ancestry

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 56.97
2 Caucasian 29.55
3 European_Early_Farmers 8.65
4 Amerindian 1.58
5 African_Pygmy 1.29
6 Tungus-Altaic 1.17
7 South_Central_Asian 0.5
8 Australoid 0.16
9 North_African 0.12

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Pole ( ) 3.01
2 Ukrainian_East ( ) 3.31
3 Ukrainian_Center ( ) 3.47
4 Ukrainian ( ) 3.9
5 Don_cossack ( ) 3.98
6 Belarusian-East ( ) 4.42
7 Ukrainian_West ( ) 4.79
8 Russian_South ( ) 4.83
9 Belarusian_West ( ) 5.04
10 Belarusian ( ) 5.36
11 Belarusian_South ( ) 5.5
12 Sorb ( ) 5.72
13 Russian-West ( ) 6.27
14 Belarusian_Russian ( ) 6.6
15 Mixed_East_Slav ( ) 6.63
16 Russian_Center ( ) 7.29
17 Slovak ( ) 7.34
18 Russian-North-West ( ) 7.65
19 Lithuanian ( ) 7.93
20 Kuban_cossack ( ) 8.62

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 97.7% Pole ( ) + 2.3% Circassian ( ) @ 2.87
2 98.6% Pole ( ) + 1.4% Georgian_Laz ( ) @ 2.87
3 98.4% Pole ( ) + 1.6% Turk_Trabzon ( ) @ 2.89
4 98.7% Pole ( ) + 1.3% Georgian_Imereti ( ) @ 2.89
5 98.7% Pole ( ) + 1.3% Georgian_Tbilisi ( ) @ 2.89
6 97.4% Pole ( ) + 2.6% Crimean_Tatar_Coast ( ) @ 2.9
7 96.2% Pole ( ) + 3.8% Gagauz ( ) @ 2.9
8 98.7% Pole ( ) + 1.3% Georgian_Megrelia ( ) @ 2.9
9 98.7% Pole ( ) + 1.3% Georgian_Svan ( ) @ 2.91
10 97% Pole ( ) + 3% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) @ 2.91
11 98.7% Pole ( ) + 1.3% Georgian ( ) @ 2.92
12 98.7% Pole ( ) + 1.3% Adjara ( ) @ 2.92
13 93% Pole ( ) + 7% Croat_BH ( ) @ 2.92
14 98.7% Pole ( ) + 1.3% Abkhasian ( ) @ 2.92
15 97.1% Pole ( ) + 2.9% Albanian_Tirana ( ) @ 2.93
16 95.3% Pole ( ) + 4.7% Serb_Serbia ( ) @ 2.93
17 97.6% Pole ( ) + 2.4% Azov_Greek ( ) @ 2.94
18 97.7% Pole ( ) + 2.3% Italian_South ( ) @ 2.94
19 97.6% Pole ( ) + 2.4% Greek_Athens ( ) @ 2.94
20 98.4% Pole ( ) + 1.6% North_Ossetian ( ) @ 2.94

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 56.97
2 Caucasian 29.55
3 European_Early_Farmers 8.65
4 Amerindian 1.58
5 African_Pygmy 1.29
6 Tungus-Altaic 1.17


Finished reading population data. 543 populations found.
23 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Pole @ 3.546229
2 Ukrainian @ 4.893973
3 Don_cossack @ 5.053798
4 Ukrainian_East @ 5.262244
5 Belarusian_South @ 5.282995
6 Belarusian @ 5.316651
7 Sorb @ 6.083641
8 Belarusian-East @ 6.201993
9 Ukrainian_Center @ 6.241660
10 Russian-North-West @ 6.246528
11 Russian_South @ 6.456561
12 Belarusian_West @ 6.475738
13 Belarusian_Russian @ 6.677155
14 Mixed_East_Slav @ 6.694857
15 Russian-West @ 6.776621
16 Russian_Center @ 6.860001
17 Balt @ 8.284603
18 Kuban_cossack @ 8.438811
19 Lithuanian @ 9.620646
20 Russian_Meshtchyora @ 9.720847

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Pole +50% Pole @ 3.546229


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Lithuanian +25% Pole +25% Serb_BH @ 3.429507


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Belarusian_West + Croat_BH + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 3.303272
2 Croat_BH + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Pole @ 3.305414
3 Belarusian_West + Lithuanian + Pole + Pole @ 3.310987
4 Belarusian + Pole + Pole + Pole @ 3.322550
5 Belarusian_Russian + Pole + Pole + Pole @ 3.336169
6 Mixed_East_Slav + Pole + Pole + Pole @ 3.340436
7 Belarusian_South + Pole + Pole + Pole @ 3.341802
8 Croat + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Pole @ 3.389571
9 Belarusian_Russian + Belarusian_West + Pole + Pole @ 3.397320
10 Belarusian_West + Mixed_East_Slav + Pole + Pole @ 3.403524
11 Belarusian_Russian + Pole + Pole + Sorb @ 3.408579
12 Belarusian_West + Lithuanian + Pole + Sorb @ 3.409064
13 Bosnian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Pole @ 3.411503
14 Mixed_East_Slav + Pole + Pole + Sorb @ 3.412445
15 Belarusian + Belarusian_West + Pole + Pole @ 3.418508
16 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Pole + Serb_BH @ 3.429507
17 Belarusian_South + Belarusian_West + Pole + Pole @ 3.437049
18 Croat_BH + Latvian + Lithuanian + Pole @ 3.454591
19 Lithuanian + Pole + Pole + Pole @ 3.456952
20 Lithuanian + Pole + Pole + Sorb @ 3.464139

Scarlet Ibis
09-14-2014, 07:37 PM
Ah, yes, a separate thread is better. I will move K23b results posts from the other thread here.

NK19191
09-14-2014, 07:38 PM
Ancestry = Iranian - Father from NW Iran Azeri-Turk. Mother ( Part Georgian / Part Persian )

MDLP K23b Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 35.50
2 South_Central_Asian 25.24
3 Near_East 12.41
4 South_Indian 6.00
5 European_Early_Farmers 5.92
6 European_Hunters_Gatherers 5.46
7 Ancestral_Altaic 3.45
8 South_East_Asian 2.06
9 North_African 1.23
10 Arctic 1.11


Using 1 population approximation:
1 Iranian @ 6.648177
2 Azeri @ 7.594621
3 Kurd @ 7.768329
4 Baku_WGA @ 8.909525
5 Uzbek_Tashkent @ 9.261262
6 Uzbekistani_Jew @ 11.626134
7 Turk_Adana @ 12.318807
8 Georgian_Jew @ 13.767157
9 Kurd_Jew @ 13.769430
10 Turk_Kayseri @ 14.420386
11 Azeri_Dagestan @ 14.491231
12 Iraki @ 14.750654
13 Turk @ 14.962183
14 Iranian_Jew @ 15.282445
15 Stalskoe_Kumyk @ 16.506811
16 Ain_Touta_WGA @ 16.524651
17 Jew_Tat @ 16.699070
18 Parsi @ 17.039921
19 Turk_Istanbul @ 17.499462
20 Kumyk @ 18.381460

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Afghan_Pushtun +50% Iraqi_Jew @ 4.403683


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Jew_Tat +25% Parsi +25% Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan @ 2.921910


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Armenian + Iraqi_Jew + Parsi + Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan @ 2.592307
2 Armenian_Yerevan + Iraqi_Jew + Parsi + Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan @ 2.619642
3 Georgian_Jew + Iraqi_Jew + Parsi + Tajik_Yagnobi @ 2.648490
4 Iraqi_Jew + Jew_Tat + Parsi + Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan @ 2.705410
5 Assyrian_Arzni + Iraqi_Jew + Parsi + Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan @ 2.739638
6 Georgian_Jew + Kurd_Jew + Parsi + Tajik_Yagnobi @ 2.793528
7 Georgian_Jew + Iranian_Jew + Parsi + Tajik_Yagnobi @ 2.804271
8 Georgian_Jew + Jew_Tat + Parsi + Tajik_Yagnobi @ 2.839043
9 Armenian + Iraqi_Jew + Parsi + Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan @ 2.844674
10 Iraqi_Jew + Parsi + Tajik_Yagnobi + Uzbekistani_Jew @ 2.870953
11 Armenian_Yerevan + Iraqi_Jew + Parsi + Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan @ 2.905491
12 Georgian_Jew + Iraqi_Jew + Parsi + Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan @ 2.910742
13 Jew_Tat + Jew_Tat + Parsi + Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan @ 2.921910
14 Iraqi_Jew + Parsi + Tajik_Yagnobi + Uzbek_Tashkent @ 2.934062
15 Georgian_Jew + Iranian + Jew_Tat + Pashtun_Afghani @ 2.944644
16 Lebanese_Druze + Parsi + Tajik_Yagnobi + Uzbek_Tashkent @ 2.979383
17 Armenian + Iranian_Jew + Parsi + Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan @ 2.988986
18 Assyrian_Arzni + Iraqi_Jew + Parsi + Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan @ 2.998870
19 Iraqi_Jew + Parsi + Tajik_Yagnobi + Turk_Adana @ 3.010660
20 Georgian_Jew + Iranian + Iraqi_Jew + Pashtun_Afghani @ 3.023162

Vadim Verenich
09-14-2014, 07:39 PM
Please include your ancestry as well

Vadim Verenich
09-14-2014, 07:46 PM
My dad [phased data] - Polishchuk from western Belarus with some Ukrainian, Lithuanian and Polish and some minor Tatar-Lithuanian ancestries

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 49.70
2 Caucasian 29.81
3 European_Early_Farmers 7.01
4 North_African 2.16
5 Tungus-Altaic 2.02
6 South_Central_Asian 1.95
7 Amerindian 1.39
8 South_Indian 1.36
9 Subsaharian 1.22
10 South_East_Asian 1.09


Finished reading population data. 543 populations found.
23 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ukrainian_Center @ 5.041408
2 Ukrainian_East @ 5.288180
3 Don_cossack @ 5.415960
4 Russian_South @ 5.529019
5 Belarusian-East @ 5.659720
6 Belarusian_West @ 5.821467
7 Ukrainian @ 5.915878
8 Ukrainian_West @ 6.183372
9 Russian-West @ 6.684862
10 Pole @ 6.944893
11 Sorb @ 7.136227
12 Russian_Meshtchyora @ 7.309039
13 Russian-North-West @ 7.758430
14 Mordovian @ 8.471660
15 Slovak @ 8.539136
16 Russian-Upper-Volga @ 8.921473
17 Moksha @ 9.745587
18 Belarusian @ 9.899706
19 Belarusian_South @ 10.243683
20 Russian-North @ 10.475352

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Don_cossack +50% Ukrainian_West @ 4.402790


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Belarusian +25% Kuban_cossack +25% Romanian @ 3.702636


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Belarusian_West + Crimean_Tatar_Mountain + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 3.486355
2 Belarusian_West + Kuban_cossack + Lithuanian + Romanian @ 3.492929
3 Belarusian_West + Kuban_cossack + Mixed_East_Slav + Romanian @ 3.576698
4 Belarusian_West + Kuban_cossack + Latvian + Romanian @ 3.578781
5 Belarusian_Russian + Belarusian_West + Kuban_cossack + Romanian @ 3.578900
6 Belarusian_West + Kuban_cossack + Romanian + Balt @ 3.585641
7 Belarusian_South + Crimean_Tatar_Mountain + Kuban_cossack + Lithuanian @ 3.587262
8 Don_cossack + Kuban_cossack + Romanian + Balt @ 3.595318
9 Belarusian_West + Lithuanian + Mixed_East_Slav + Romanian @ 3.601252
10 Don_cossack + Kuban_cossack + Lithuanian + Romanian @ 3.602262
11 Belarusian_Russian + Belarusian_West + Lithuanian + Romanian @ 3.608102
12 Belarusian_Russian + Don_cossack + Kuban_cossack + Romanian @ 3.615644
13 Belarusian_South + Crimean_Tatar_Mountain + Lithuanian + Mixed_East_Slav @ 3.616137
14 Belarusian_West + Kuban_cossack + Romanian + Russian_Center @ 3.616541
15 Belarusian_Russian + Belarusian_South + Crimean_Tatar_Mountain + Lithuanian @ 3.621363
16 Don_cossack + Kuban_cossack + Mixed_East_Slav + Romanian @ 3.622331
17 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain + Don_cossack + Lithuanian + Lithuanian @ 3.624720
18 Belarusian_South + Don_cossack + Kuban_cossack + Romanian @ 3.627436
19 Belarusian + Don_cossack + Kuban_cossack + Romanian @ 3.632993
20 Don_cossack + Kuban_cossack + Romanian + Russian_Center @ 3.633623

ViktorL1
09-14-2014, 07:47 PM
# Population Percent
1 South_Central_Asian 17.99
2 Caucasian 17.94
3 Tungus-Altaic 17.88
4 European_Hunters_Gatherers 11.73
5 South_East_Asian 8.78
6 South_Indian 7.17
7 East_Siberian 6.80
8 Ancestral_Altaic 6.45
9 Arctic 1.50
10 Paleo_Siberian 1.27


Finished reading population data. 543 populations found.
23 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Uzbek @ 4.865723
2 Turkmen_Afghan @ 8.899322
3 Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 11.425840
4 Uygur @ 12.460958
5 Hazara @ 12.748605
6 Karakalpak @ 13.170482
7 Tajik_Afghan @ 16.408781
8 Uzbek_Afghan @ 18.357813
9 Kazahs @ 18.734402
10 Crimean_Tatar_Step @ 20.293940
11 Nogai @ 20.969976
12 Kazakh @ 22.069340
13 Tatar-Siberian @ 22.710873
14 Bashkir @ 24.320910
15 Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan @ 25.116444
16 Kyrgyz_Bishkek @ 25.353327
17 Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan @ 26.363405
18 Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 26.530727
19 Tajik_Yagnobi @ 27.081581
20 Tatar_Lithuania @ 27.231720

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Uzbek +50% Uzbek @ 4.865723


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Karakalpak +25% Pashtun_Afghani +25% Uzbek @ 4.263878


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Burusho + Crimean_Tatar_Step + Lak + Mongol_Khalkha @ 3.111164
2 Burusho + Crimean_Tatar_Step + Dargin_Urkarah + Mongol_Khalkha @ 3.182810
3 Avar + Burusho + Crimean_Tatar_Step + Mongol_Khalkha @ 3.191904
4 Burusho + Crimean_Tatar_Step + Mongol_Khalkha + Tabassaran @ 3.244256
5 Burusho + Crimean_Tatar_Step + Dargin_Urkarah + Daur @ 3.340884
6 Burusho + Crimean_Tatar_Step + Lezgin + Mongol_Khalkha @ 3.341218
7 Burusho + Crimean_Tatar_Step + Daur + Lak @ 3.354919
8 Avar + Burusho + Crimean_Tatar_Step + Daur @ 3.391939
9 Burusho + Crimean_Tatar_Step + Daur + Tabassaran @ 3.549414
10 Burusho + Crimean_Tatar_Step + Dargin_Urkarah + Hezhen @ 3.554830
11 Burusho + Crimean_Tatar_Step + Hezhen + Lak @ 3.573348
12 Burusho + Crimean_Tatar_Step + Daur + Lezgin @ 3.594737
13 Avar + Burusho + Crimean_Tatar_Step + Hezhen @ 3.610226
14 Bashkir + Daur + Pathan + Tabassaran @ 3.695593
15 Bashkir + Burusho + Daur + Tabassaran @ 3.751434
16 Burusho + Crimean_Tatar_Step + Hezhen + Tabassaran @ 3.763935
17 Bashkir + Hezhen + Pathan + Tabassaran @ 3.797248
18 Bashkir + Burusho + Chechen + Daur @ 3.799434
19 Burusho + Crimean_Tatar_Step + Karakalpak + Karakalpak @ 3.809667
20 Burusho + Crimean_Tatar_Step + Hezhen + Lezgin @ 3.812268

Done.

Elapsed time 174.1401 seconds.

Vadim Verenich
09-14-2014, 07:52 PM
Post your Oracle-4 results instead, because they seem to be more informative

Rukha
09-14-2014, 07:59 PM
Ancestry: Father from Panjsher, Afghanistan (Tajik). Mother from Wardak, Afghanistan (Pashtun)



# Population Percent
1 South_Central_Asian 34.15
2 Caucasian 21.50
3 South_Indian 16.72
4 European_Hunters_Gatherers 10.30
5 Ancestral_Altaic 8.47
6 Amerindian 2.58
7 Near_East 2.13
8 Tungus-Altaic 1.84


Finished reading population data. 543 populations found.
23 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Afghan_Pushtun @ 6.022763
2 Pashtun_Afghani @ 6.598314
3 Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 7.877693
4 Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan @ 10.918867
5 Pakistani_Pushtun @ 11.274079
6 Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan @ 11.797170
7 Uzbek_Afghan @ 13.621663
8 Tajik_Afghan @ 14.289532
9 Pathan @ 15.131264
10 Tajik_Yagnobi @ 15.695024
11 Parsi @ 16.078205
12 Burusho @ 18.395235
13 Jatt_Haryana @ 19.676146
14 Jatt_Pahari @ 20.610188
15 Punjabi_Gujjar @ 22.696201
16 Iranian @ 23.932686
17 Sindhi @ 24.821438
18 Jatt_Muslim @ 25.668371
19 Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 25.870001
20 Mumbai_Jew @ 25.994358

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Pakistani_Pushtun +50% Tajik_Yagnobi @ 4.387285


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Pathan +25% Tabassaran +25% Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 3.331667


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Lak + Pakistani_Pushtun + Pathan + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 2.640380
2 Lak + Pakistani + Pashtun_Afghani + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 2.656694
3 Avar + Pakistani + Pashtun_Afghani + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 2.666752
4 Lezgin + Pakistani + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 2.681082
5 Avar + Pakistani + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 2.687110
6 Dargin_Urkarah + Pakistani + Pashtun_Afghani + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 2.696651
7 Jatt_Muslim + Lak + Pashtun_Afghani + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 2.722174
8 Burusho + Pakistani_Pushtun + Tabassaran + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 2.724054
9 Dargin_Urkarah + Pakistani_Pushtun + Pathan + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 2.726915
10 Avar + Jatt_Muslim + Pashtun_Afghani + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 2.733180
11 Dargin_Urkarah + Jatt_Muslim + Pashtun_Afghani + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 2.741189
12 Pakistani + Tabassaran + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 2.753807
13 Lak + Pakistani + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 2.759923
14 Avar + Pakistani_Pushtun + Pathan + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 2.777682
15 Avar + Burusho + Pakistani_Pushtun + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 2.788373
16 Avar + GujaratiA_GIH + Pashtun_Afghani + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 2.815036
17 Pakistani_Pushtun + Pathan + Tabassaran + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 2.817569
18 Jatt_Muslim + Lezgin + Pashtun_Afghani + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 2.826936
19 Pakistani + Pashtun_Afghani + Tabassaran + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 2.827239
20 Lezgin + Pakistani + Pashtun_Afghani + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 2.848108

ViktorL1
09-14-2014, 08:02 PM
Trying to make sense of this, had to look up "Burusho" and "Daur". But it makes sense, from what I read about these populations. Vadim, if I may ask, what does South_Central_Asian represent, and is it more East Eurasian or West Eurasian in nature?

Wulf Warrior
09-14-2014, 08:05 PM
Mine,

MDLP K23b Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 39.46
2 European_Early_Farmers 23.98
3 Caucasian 21.72
4 South_Central_Asian 6.29
5 Ancestral_Altaic 4.76
6 North_African 2.04


Finished reading population data. 543 populations found.
23 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Dutch @ 1.655509
2 North_German @ 4.704127
3 South_German @ 5.114318
4 English @ 5.148936
5 Belgian @ 5.491354
6 North_European @ 5.759433
7 German-Volga @ 6.509501
8 Norwegian_Bergen @ 6.700222
9 Icelandic @ 6.962743
10 Swede @ 7.434899
11 Austrian @ 7.524178
12 CEU @ 8.072386
13 English_Kent_GBR @ 8.548036
14 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 8.688955
15 English_Cornwall_GBR @ 9.292267
16 Welsh @ 9.502623
17 Orcadian @ 9.762840
18 German_East @ 10.058212
19 Hungarian @ 10.920999
20 Slovenian @ 11.354987

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Dutch +50% Dutch @ 1.655509


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Dutch +25% Dutch +25% North_German @ 1.543780


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Dutch + Dutch + Dutch + North_German @ 1.543780
2 Dutch + Dutch + Swede + German-Volga @ 1.654109
3 Dutch + Dutch + Dutch + Dutch @ 1.655509
4 English + English + English_Cornwall_GBR + Russian_Meshtchyora @ 1.714575
5 Dutch + Dutch + Hungarian + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 1.718753
6 Dutch + German + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + German-Volga @ 1.721278
7 Dutch + Dutch + Hungarian_Budapest + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 1.756780
8 Dutch + Dutch + Hungarian_Budapest + Orcadian @ 1.758941
9 Dutch + German + Orcadian + German-Volga @ 1.775184
10 English_Cornwall_GBR + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + German-Volga + Russian_Meshtchyora @ 1.776231
11 Dutch + Dutch + Hungarian + Orcadian @ 1.780631
12 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + Welsh + German-Volga + Russian_Meshtchyora @ 1.781289
13 Dutch + Dutch + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + Slovenian @ 1.788982
14 Czech + Dutch + Dutch + Orcadian @ 1.789734
15 Dutch + English_Cornwall_GBR + Welsh + Russian_Meshtchyora @ 1.799166
16 English + English + Welsh + Russian_Meshtchyora @ 1.801568
17 Dutch + Dutch + English_Cornwall_GBR + German @ 1.806018
18 Dutch + English_Cornwall_GBR + English_Cornwall_GBR + Russian_Meshtchyora @ 1.822649
19 Dutch + Dutch + English + North_German @ 1.830125
20 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + Ukrainian_West + German-Volga @ 1.830595

Vadim Verenich
09-14-2014, 08:06 PM
Rukha, your results look very accurate.

Scarlet Ibis
09-14-2014, 08:10 PM
Admin/Moderator Note: many results posts were moved from here http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?3026-MDLP-ancient-roots-!-!

Vadim Verenich
09-14-2014, 08:12 PM
Trying to make sense of this, had to look up "Burusho" and "Daur". But it makes sense, from what I read about these populations. Vadim, if I may ask, what does South_Central_Asian represent, and is it more East Eurasian or West Eurasian in nature?

Viktor, it has some vague similarity to West-Asian/Gedrosia-like type of ancestry.

Scarlet Ibis
09-14-2014, 08:30 PM
Here are my mom's Oracle-4 results, using 23andme V2:

# Population Percent
1 South_East_Asian 40.18
2 Tungus-Altaic 39.92
3 Austronesian 18.45
4 East_Siberian 1.45

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Korean @ 2.838958
2 Japanese @ 11.756140
3 Xibo @ 13.277757
4 Han_North @ 15.911826
5 Mongola_China @ 16.031801

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Korean +50% Korean @ 2.838958


^ I think that 1 population cline is the best one I've seen so far for East Asians on gedmatch.

Vadim Verenich
09-14-2014, 08:44 PM
Awesome results, i would say

Vadim Verenich
09-14-2014, 08:58 PM
Svan from Georgia

MDLP K23b
1 Caucasian 62.59
2 South_Central_Asian 20.54
3 Ancestral_Altaic 6.95
4 European_Hunters_Gatherers 4.38
5 Tungus-Altaic 1.71
6 Near_East 1.52
7 Melano_Polynesian 1.32
8 Khoisan 0.25
9 Arctic 0.22
10 Amerindian 0.21
11 Paleo_Siberian 0.2
12 Austronesian 0.12

1 Georgian_Svan @ 2.975778
2 Abkhasian @ 3.697682
3 Georgian_Tbilisi @ 5.099086
4 Georgian_Megrelia @ 5.162460
5 Adjara @ 5.197428
6 Georgian @ 5.235554
7 Georgian_Imereti @ 6.526512
8 Kakheti @ 9.671604
9 Georgian_Laz @ 10.256533
10 Ossetian @ 11.059370


1 Caucasian 67.19
2 South_Central_Asian 20.29
3 Ancestral_Altaic 7.05
4 Arctic 1.83
5 Austronesian 1.16
6 Australoid 0.67
7 Subsaharian 0.64
8 Paleo_Siberian 0.55
9 East_African 0.31
10 Archaic_African 0.2
11 Melano_Polynesian 0.12

1 Georgian_Svan @ 5.959721
2 Georgian_Tbilisi @ 6.170003
3 Georgian_Imereti @ 6.906034
4 Georgian_Megrelia @ 7.273469
5 Abkhasian @ 7.744218
6 Georgian @ 8.092249
7 Adjara @ 8.540917
8 Georgian_Laz @ 9.551691
9 Kakheti @ 13.495809
10 Turk_Trabzon @ 16.713509

Kahketian from Georgia

1 Caucasian 58.07
2 South_Central_Asian 20.97
3 Near_East 5.87
4 Ancestral_Altaic 4.97
5 European_Hunters_Gatherers 2.16
6 South_Indian 1.88
7 European_Early_Farmers 1.66
8 Arctic 0.89
9 East_Siberian 0.7
10 North_African 0.66
11 Paleo_Siberian 0.59
12 Tungus-Altaic 0.47
13 Khoisan 0.45
14 Subsaharian 0.45
15 Melano_Polynesian 0.17
16 East_African 0.03
17 Archaic_African 0.01

1 Kakheti @ 3.438343
2 Georgian @ 4.894868
3 Adjara @ 5.069854
4 Abkhasian @ 5.472791
5 Georgian_Megrelia @ 6.726136
6 Georgian_Svan @ 6.947622
7 Georgian_Imereti @ 8.691162
8 Georgian_Tbilisi @ 8.776508
9 Ossetian @ 10.221590
10 Turk_Trabzon @ 10.977373

ViktorL1
09-14-2014, 09:03 PM
Interesting, again. What is the Ancestral_Altaic component? Where does it peak?

Vadim Verenich
09-14-2014, 09:05 PM
Interesting, again. What is the Ancestral_Altaic component? Where does it peak?

This component peaks in ancient samples from southern Siberia (Afonotova_Gora_2 and Malta_1), and it actually shows how similar you are to these ancient samples. You shouldn't actually confuse it with ANE component.

ViktorL1
09-14-2014, 09:07 PM
So its distribution is prevelant around Eurasia today?

Stephen1986
09-14-2014, 09:42 PM
My results -

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 36.57
2 European_Early_Farmers 29.43
3 Caucasian 20.52
4 South_Central_Asian 6.05
5 Ancestral_Altaic 5.38


Finished reading population data. 543 populations found.
23 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 English @ 2.220188
2 English_Kent_GBR @ 2.620636
3 Belgian @ 2.722308
4 North_European @ 2.739733
5 CEU @ 2.826193
6 English_Cornwall_GBR @ 3.063863
7 Welsh @ 3.669376
8 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 4.764930
9 Orcadian @ 5.374642
10 Dutch @ 5.647194
11 Norwegian_Bergen @ 6.067446
12 British @ 6.104191
13 South_German @ 6.525011
14 German-Volga @ 6.981767
15 Icelandic @ 7.227376
16 North_German @ 9.698403
17 French @ 10.091490
18 Swede @ 11.683276
19 Austrian @ 12.236973
20 German_East @ 13.870448

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Belgian +50% English_Cornwall_GBR @ 1.367965

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Belgian +25% English_Cornwall_GBR +25% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 1.182230


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Belgian + Dutch + English_Cornwall_GBR + Welsh @ 1.021901
2 Belgian + Dutch + English_Cornwall_GBR + English_Cornwall_GBR @ 1.024163
3 Dutch + English_Cornwall_GBR + English_Cornwall_GBR + English_Kent_GBR @ 1.069262
4 Dutch + English_Cornwall_GBR + English_Kent_GBR + English_Kent_GBR @ 1.086030
5 Dutch + English_Cornwall_GBR + English_Cornwall_GBR + North_European @ 1.114118
6 Dutch + English + English_Cornwall_GBR + English_Cornwall_GBR @ 1.114237
7 CEU + Dutch + English_Cornwall_GBR + English_Kent_GBR @ 1.137814
8 Dutch + English + English_Cornwall_GBR + English_Kent_GBR @ 1.176383
9 Belgian + Belgian + English_Cornwall_GBR + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 1.182230
10 Dutch + Dutch + French + Orcadian @ 1.196146
11 CEU + Dutch + English_Cornwall_GBR + English_Cornwall_GBR @ 1.214839
12 Dutch + English_Cornwall_GBR + English_Kent_GBR + Welsh @ 1.232237
13 Belgian + Dutch + English_Cornwall_GBR + English_Kent_GBR @ 1.234800
14 Dutch + English_Cornwall_GBR + English_Cornwall_GBR + English_Cornwall_GBR @ 1.238369
15 Belgian + Dutch + Welsh + Welsh @ 1.240949
16 English_Cornwall_GBR + English_Cornwall_GBR + English_Cornwall_GBR + North_German @ 1.249510
17 Dutch + English + English_Cornwall_GBR + Welsh @ 1.259636
18 Dutch + English_Cornwall_GBR + English_Kent_GBR + North_European @ 1.261673
19 Belgian + CEU + Dutch + English_Cornwall_GBR @ 1.263272
20 Belgian + Belgian + CEU + English_Cornwall_GBR @ 1.277665

My brother's results -

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 35.30
2 European_Early_Farmers 27.32
3 Caucasian 23.23
4 South_Central_Asian 7.08
5 Ancestral_Altaic 4.90
6 South_Indian 1.19


Finished reading population data. 543 populations found.
23 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 English @ 3.841840
2 Belgian @ 3.988407
3 German-Volga @ 4.365722
4 Dutch @ 4.906859
5 South_German @ 5.275642
6 North_European @ 5.676222
7 English_Kent_GBR @ 5.854599
8 English_Cornwall_GBR @ 6.092914
9 CEU @ 6.422654
10 Welsh @ 6.800618
11 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 7.864959
12 Norwegian_Bergen @ 8.767337
13 Orcadian @ 8.836359
14 North_German @ 9.448143
15 Icelandic @ 9.696040
16 British @ 9.703925
17 Austrian @ 10.570355
18 French @ 11.598817
19 German_East @ 12.024341
20 Swede @ 12.555612

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% English +50% German-Volga @ 2.858922


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% English_Cornwall_GBR +25% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR +25% Serb_Serbia @ 2.556176


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Bulgarian + Dutch + English_Cornwall_GBR + Orcadian @ 2.386378
2 Bulgarian + Dutch + English_Cornwall_GBR + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 2.403915
3 Belgian + Bulgarian + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 2.427142
4 Bulgarian + Dutch + Orcadian + Welsh @ 2.478607
5 Bulgarian + English + English_Cornwall_GBR + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 2.488315
6 Bulgarian + Dutch + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + Welsh @ 2.492675
7 Dutch + Kosovar + Norwegian_Bergen + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 2.497181
8 British + Bulgarian + Dutch + English_Cornwall_GBR @ 2.498790
9 Bulgarian + English_Cornwall_GBR + English_Cornwall_GBR + Icelandic @ 2.501304
10 Dutch + Icelandic + Kosovar + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 2.502838
11 Bulgarian + English_Cornwall_GBR + English_Cornwall_GBR + Norwegian_Bergen @ 2.512121
12 Belgian + Bulgarian + Orcadian + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 2.513108
13 British + Bulgarian + Dutch + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 2.513916
14 Bulgarian + English_Cornwall_GBR + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 2.514528
15 Bulgarian + English_Kent_GBR + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 2.534809
16 Dutch + English_Cornwall_GBR + German-Volga + German-Volga @ 2.535022
17 Belgian + Bulgarian + English_Cornwall_GBR + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 2.540937
18 Bulgarian + English_Cornwall_GBR + North_European + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 2.549953
19 Bulgarian + English + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 2.552638
20 Dutch + Icelandic + Kosovar + Orcadian @ 2.555660

Vadim Verenich
09-14-2014, 09:58 PM
So its distribution is prevelant around Eurasia today?

Mostly in Siberia, Ural-Volga region and western Eurasia (especially Caucasus).

icebreaker
09-14-2014, 10:11 PM
7/8 Turkish 1/8 Laz

MDLP K23b Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 40.38
2 South_Central_Asian 17.22
3 Near_East 11.30
4 European_Early_Farmers 9.45
5 European_Hunters_Gatherers 4.78
6 Tungus-Altaic 4.01
7 South_East_Asian 3.51
8 Ancestral_Altaic 3.28
9 East_Siberian 2.30
10 North_African 1.25
11 South_Indian 1.09


MDLP K23b 4-Ancestors Oracle

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Turk_Kayseri @ 4.945309
2 Turk_Adana @ 5.162985
3 Turk @ 5.646211
4 Georgian_Jew @ 8.315325
5 Azeri @ 8.942010
6 Uzbek_Tashkent @ 9.535335
7 Turk_Istanbul @ 9.611263
8 Turk_Aydin @ 9.826830
9 Uzbekistani_Jew @ 10.267972
10 Turk_Balikesir @ 11.774841
11 Jew_Tat @ 11.988594
12 Kurd_Jew @ 12.271308
13 Baku_WGA @ 12.652429
14 Kurd @ 12.944852
15 Iranian_Jew @ 13.027428
16 Armenian @ 13.489219
17 Armenian_Yerevan @ 13.874441
18 Iraqi_Jew @ 14.061293
19 Cirkassian @ 14.149807
20 Assyrian_Arzni @ 14.278120

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Azeri +50% Turk_Aydin @ 4.093474


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Armenian_Yerevan +25% Greek_Smyrna +25% Uzbek @ 2.979132


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Greek_Smyrna + Kakheti + Kurd_Jew + Uzbek @ 2.613519
2 Greek_Smyrna + Kakheti + Kurd_Jew + Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 2.618598
3 Greek_Smyrna + Iranian_Jew + Kakheti + Uzbek @ 2.627265
4 Greek_Smyrna + Iraqi_Jew + Kakheti + Uzbek @ 2.708884
5 Armenian_Yerevan + Greek_Smyrna + Turkmen_Uzbekistan + Uzbekistani_Jew @ 2.760109
6 Greek_Smyrna + Iranian_Jew + Kakheti + Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 2.765227
7 Armenian_Yerevan + Greek_Smyrna + Turkmen_Uzbekistan + Uzbek_Tashkent @ 2.767456
8 Greek_Smyrna + Kakheti + Turkmen_Uzbekistan + Uzbekistani_Jew @ 2.780003
9 Armenian_Yerevan + Greek_Islands + Turkmen_Uzbekistan + Uzbek_Tashkent @ 2.787662
10 Armenian + Greek_Smyrna + Turkmen_Uzbekistan + Uzbek_Tashkent @ 2.805794
11 Armenian_Yerevan + Baku_WGA + Greek_Islands + Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 2.823035
12 Armenian + Baku_WGA + Greek_Islands + Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 2.824483
13 Assyrian_Arzni + Greek_Smyrna + Turkmen_Uzbekistan + Uzbek_Tashkent @ 2.845850
14 Armenian + Georgian_Jew + Turk_Kayseri + Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 2.854328
15 Assyrian_Arzni + Baku_WGA + Greek_Islands + Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 2.857517
16 Armenian_Yerevan + Azeri + Greek_Islands + Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 2.858602
17 Armenian + Cretan + Turkmen_Uzbekistan + Uzbek_Tashkent @ 2.865663
18 Armenian + Greek_Smyrna + Turkmen_Uzbekistan + Uzbekistani_Jew @ 2.867793
19 Armenian + Greek_Islands + Turkmen_Uzbekistan + Uzbek_Tashkent @ 2.876598
20 Armenian_Yerevan + Azeri + Cretan + Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 2.885730

Huck Finn
09-14-2014, 10:15 PM
Eastern Finn ( as there are rather big differences within the country ), biased towards different groups living in Northern Russia. Western Finns would be biased towards Scandinavia, on average.

MDLP K23b Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 51.19
2 Caucasian 17.03
3 European_Early_Farmers 10.21
4 Ancestral_Altaic 8.34
5 East_Siberian 5.90
6 South_Central_Asian 2.22
7 South_East_Asian 1.68
8 Tungus-Altaic 1.50
9 Near_East 1.23

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Finn_East @ 4.060576
2 Finnish-East @ 4.188425
3 Finnish_FIN @ 5.370413
4 Finn @ 5.993793
5 Finn_West @ 7.204956
6 Russian-Ural @ 7.468949
7 Russian-North @ 8.155206
8 Erzya @ 8.395613
9 Karelian @ 9.848968
10 Russian-Upper-Volga @ 9.884520
11 Saami_Kola @ 10.793382
12 Russian_Meshtchyora @ 11.013764
13 Russian_Vologda @ 11.165554
14 North_Russian @ 11.759764
15 Russian-North-West @ 12.125032
16 Vepsa @ 12.169302
17 Russian-West @ 12.398373
18 Moksha @ 12.503161
19 German @ 12.792735
20 Mordovian @ 13.533210

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Finn_West +50% Saami_Kola @ 3.972377 -> This is interesting. I wonder how "Saami" this group really is?

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Estonian +25% Orcadian +25% Saami @ 2.474116 -> This makes more sense, according to 4 pop's:

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 British + Latvian + Saami + Vepsa @ 1.927187
2 Finn + Lithuanian + Norwegian_Bergen + Saami @ 1.946043
3 Finn + Latvian + Norwegian_Bergen + Saami @ 1.971086
4 Finnish_FIN + Icelandic + Latvian + Saami @ 1.977562
5 Finnish_FIN + Latvian + Norwegian_Bergen + Saami @ 1.990364
6 British + Karelian + Lithuanian + Saami @ 1.997164
7 Finn + Icelandic + Lithuanian + Saami @ 1.999706
8 Finnish_FIN + Icelandic + Lithuanian + Saami @ 2.010810
9 Estonian + Finnish_FIN + Icelandic + Saami @ 2.011377
10 Finnish_FIN + Lithuanian + Norwegian_Bergen + Saami @ 2.024755
11 Karelian + Lithuanian + Orcadian + Saami @ 2.031969
12 CEU + Karelian + Latvian + Saami @ 2.038571
13 British + Lithuanian + Saami + Vepsa @ 2.039607
14 Finn + Icelandic + Latvian + Saami @ 2.049631
15 Finn + Icelandic + Saami + Balt @ 2.062584
16 Estonian + Finn + Norwegian_Bergen + Saami @ 2.064684
17 Latvian + Orcadian + Saami + Vepsa @ 2.071569
18 British + Estonian + Saami + Vepsa @ 2.084981
19 Estonian + Orcadian + Saami + Vepsa @ 2.087234
20 English_Kent_GBR + Karelian + Latvian + Saami @ 2.096044


Very interesting and possibly very reasonable as well. Some Veps/Carelian, some Balt such as Latvian, some Saami but then, last but not least, also some British, such as UK Kent or Norwegian from Bergen or even Icelandic. This last part is apparently the bias more visible in western Finns.

rod
09-14-2014, 10:19 PM
~1/2 England, 1/8 Scotland, 1/8 Ireland, 1/8 NW Europe (France, Flanders, Netherlands, Germany), 1/8 :noidea:

MDLP K23b Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 36.16
2 European_Early_Farmers 30.21
3 Caucasian 21.57
4 South_Central_Asian 5.85
5 Ancestral_Altaic 3.93
6 North_African 1.57

Oracle
Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Belgian ( ) 2.98
2 English ( ) 3.24
3 English_Kent_GBR ( ) 3.5
4 North_European ( ) 4.53
5 English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) 4.7
6 CEU ( ) 5.79
7 Welsh ( ) 5.89
8 Dutch ( ) 6.39
9 South_German ( ) 6.85
10 French ( ) 7.53
11 German-Volga ( ) 8.14
12 North_German ( ) 8.16
13 Norwegian_Bergen ( ) 8.97
14 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) 9.18
15 Swede ( ) 9.27
16 Icelandic ( ) 9.66
17 Orcadian ( ) 10.26
18 British ( ) 10.67
19 Portugese ( ) 12.93
20 Spanish_Baleares_IBS ( ) 13.07

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 86.9% Dutch ( ) + 13.1% Sardinian ( ) @ 1.28
2 54.3% Dutch ( ) + 45.7% French ( ) @ 1.44
3 94.9% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 5.1% Circassian ( ) @ 1.47
4 73.6% Dutch ( ) + 26.4% Spanish_Cataluna_IBS ( ) @ 1.52
5 96.2% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 3.8% Georgian_Megrelia ( ) @ 1.54
6 96.3% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 3.7% Georgian_Imereti ( ) @ 1.55
7 96% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 4% Abkhasian ( ) @ 1.56
8 94.2% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 5.8% Cirkassian ( ) @ 1.57
9 96.1% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 3.9% Georgian ( ) @ 1.57
10 96.1% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 3.9% Adjara ( ) @ 1.58
11 96.3% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 3.7% Georgian_Tbilisi ( ) @ 1.59
12 96.2% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 3.8% Georgian_Svan ( ) @ 1.6
13 96.4% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 3.6% Georgian_Laz ( ) @ 1.61
14 71.2% Dutch ( ) + 28.8% Spaniard ( ) @ 1.62
15 95.3% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 4.7% Ossetian ( ) @ 1.62
16 95.1% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 4.9% Adygei ( ) @ 1.63
17 91.6% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 8.4% Crimean_Tatar_Mountain ( ) @ 1.64
18 95.2% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 4.8% Balkar ( ) @ 1.64
19 94.8% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 5.2% Kabardin ( ) @ 1.64
20 95.2% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 4.8% North_Ossetian ( ) @ 1.65
-------------------------------------

Oracle 4

Using 1 population approximation:
1 English_Kent_GBR @ 2.754740
2 English @ 2.921616
3 Belgian @ 3.126664
4 North_European @ 3.568347
5 English_Cornwall_GBR @ 3.648339
6 CEU @ 3.766461
7 Welsh @ 3.961961
8 South_German @ 5.966511
9 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 6.084206
10 Dutch @ 6.474019
11 Orcadian @ 6.642110
12 German-Volga @ 6.768568
13 British @ 6.903061
14 Norwegian_Bergen @ 7.526772
15 Icelandic @ 8.598462
16 French @ 9.211068
17 North_German @ 10.085910
18 Austrian @ 12.184408
19 Swede @ 12.605082
20 German_East @ 13.920832

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% French +50% North_German @ 2.074844


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Dutch +25% French_South +25% Slovenian @ 1.772668


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Dutch + French + South_German + Welsh @ 1.741210
2 Dutch + Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS + Ukrainian_East + German-Volga @ 1.760769
3 Dutch + English_Cornwall_GBR + French + South_German @ 1.762169
4 CEU + Dutch + French + South_German @ 1.763941
5 Dutch + Dutch + French_South + Slovenian @ 1.772668
6 Dutch + English_Kent_GBR + French + South_German @ 1.779563
7 Belgian + Dutch + French + North_European @ 1.783503
8 Dutch + French + French + North_German @ 1.790461
9 Czech + Dutch + Dutch + French_South @ 1.815241
10 English + English_Cornwall_GBR + French + North_German @ 1.816267
11 English_Cornwall_GBR + English_Kent_GBR + English_Kent_GBR + South_German @ 1.816765
12 Belgian + English_Cornwall_GBR + French + North_German @ 1.817661
13 Dutch + Dutch + French_South + Hungarian @ 1.824569
14 Dutch + Dutch + English_Kent_GBR + French @ 1.825925
15 Dutch + Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS + Belarusian-East + German-Volga @ 1.834295
16 Dutch + English_Cornwall_GBR + French_South + Ukrainian_West @ 1.837718
17 Dutch + English_Cornwall_GBR + French_South + Ukrainian_East @ 1.838858
18 English_Cornwall_GBR + English_Cornwall_GBR + English_Kent_GBR + South_German @ 1.840086
19 English_Kent_GBR + English_Kent_GBR + South_German + Welsh @ 1.847831
20 Dutch + Dutch + French_South + German @ 1.849509

Vadim Verenich
09-14-2014, 10:20 PM
7/8 Turkish 1/8 Laz

[SPOILER]MDLP K23b Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 40.38
2 South_Central_Asian 17.22
3 Near_East 11.30
4 European_Early_Farmers 9.45
5 European_Hunters_Gatherers 4.78
6 Tungus-Altaic 4.01
7 South_East_Asian 3.51
8 Ancestral_Altaic 3.28
9 East_Siberian 2.30
10 North_African 1.25
11 South_Indian 1.09


MDLP K23b 4-Ancestors Oracle

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Turk_Kayseri @ 4.945309
2 Turk_Adana @ 5.162985
3 Turk @ 5.646211
4 Georgian_Jew @ 8.315325
5 Azeri @ 8.942010
6 Uzbek_Tashkent @ 9.535335
7 Turk_Istanbul @ 9.611263
8 Turk_Aydin @ 9.826830
9 Uzbekistani_Jew @ 10.267972
10 Turk_Balikesir @ 11.774841
11 Jew_Tat @ 11.988594
12 Kurd_Jew @ 12.271308
13 Baku_WGA @ 12.652429
14 Kurd @ 12.944852
15 Iranian_Jew @ 13.027428
16 Armenian @ 13.489219
17 Armenian_Yerevan @ 13.874441
18 Iraqi_Jew @ 14.061293
19 Cirkassian @ 14.149807
20 Assyrian_Arzni @ 14.278120

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Azeri +50% Turk_Aydin @ 4.093474


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Armenian_Yerevan +25% Greek_Smyrna +25% Uzbek @ 2.979132


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Greek_Smyrna + Kakheti + Kurd_Jew + Uzbek @ 2.613519
2 Greek_Smyrna + Kakheti + Kurd_Jew + Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 2.618598


Damn, this combination is almost spot on.
Kakheti (+Kurd/Armenian) is a rough approximation of Georgian Laz, while Greek_Smyrna (Byzantine?) + Uzbek/Turkmen(Oguz?) is a rough approximation of a modern Turk

ViktorL1
09-14-2014, 10:31 PM
Damn, this combination is almost spot on.
Kakheti (+Kurd/Armenian) is a rough approximation of Georgian Laz, while Greek_Smyrna (Byzantine?) + Uzbek/Turkmen(Oguz?) is a rough approximation of a modern Turk

This is really fascinating. What components in his ancestry can be traced back to Central Asia?

"6 Tungus-Altaic 4.01
7 South_East_Asian 3.51"

These are East Eurasian, for sure. Is East Siberian an Eastern Eurasian component? I would calculate his East Eurasian admixture at around ~10% if that is the case.

Vadim Verenich
09-14-2014, 10:36 PM
This is really fascinating. What components in his ancestry can be traced back to Central Asia?

"6 Tungus-Altaic 4.01
7 South_East_Asian 3.51"

These are East Eurasian, for sure. Is East Siberian an Eastern Eurasian component? I would calculate his East Eurasian admixture at around ~10% if that is the case.

Add here "South_Central_Asian 17.22", probably from his Seljuk or Osmanli ancestors

Shaikorth
09-14-2014, 10:37 PM
East Siberian is 100% in Nganassans, which means it's a mix of East Eurasian and ANE/Mal'ta like ancestry.

ViktorL1
09-14-2014, 10:52 PM
Add here "South_Central_Asian 17.22", probably from his Seljuk or Osmanli ancestors

Interesting. How "East Eurasian" were the Turks when they invaded Anatolia? Are modern Uzbeks a good proxy for the Seljuks?

ZephyrousMandaru
09-14-2014, 11:07 PM
You might as well exclude the "Assyrian_WGA." Does not make sense that you and I plot where we do, and "Assyrian_WGA" plots where it does.

I will, I think that the Assyrian_WGA sample, also known as Assyrian_Arzni may be Assyrians from Armenia. As Arzni is a town in Armenia, so the Assyrians in that dataset may have recent Armenian admixture. I also created a dendrogram.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/537/9vvEsv.png

Vadim Verenich
09-14-2014, 11:09 PM
Yes, they are from Armenia

Humanist
09-14-2014, 11:12 PM
Yes, they are from Armenia

What paper is the sample from?

EDIT:

Never mind. I believe this is it: Mark G. Thomas / Levon Yepiskoposyan. Looks like 5 samples?

Humanist
09-14-2014, 11:14 PM
I will, I think that the Assyrian_WGA sample, also known as Assyrian_Arzni may be Assyrians from Armenia. As Arzni is a town in Armenia, so the Assyrians in that dataset may have recent Armenian admixture. I also created a dendrogram.

Interesting. Yes. They can be used as a control for Armenian admixed Assyrians.

jesus
09-14-2014, 11:16 PM
Interesting. How "East Eurasian" were the Turks when they invaded Anatolia? Are modern Uzbeks a good proxy for the Seljuks?

They were probably very mixid genetically speaking, anything from Turkmens to Afghan Pashtuns to Tajiks maybe.

ZephyrousMandaru
09-15-2014, 12:11 AM
http://s30.postimg.org/ujsege7mp/Dendrogram_Average_Linkage.png

http://s17.postimg.org/yyti45kn3/Dendrogram_Single_Linkage.png

Bolverkia
09-15-2014, 12:42 AM
Welcome to the forum, Bolverkia. What is your ancestry?

I think this is what you mean. I apologize ahead, I'm new to all this and trying to understand lol

2591

ZephyrousMandaru
09-15-2014, 12:44 AM
New MDS Plot with aligned dots and labels.

http://s11.postimg.org/oxfquf9b7/My_MDLP_K23_Beta_MDS_Plot.png

Hanna
09-15-2014, 02:31 AM
^^
I am far from my aunt in this plot.

Huck Finn
09-15-2014, 06:26 AM
Vadim, many thanks for you most interesting work. If you have time, I'd appreciate if you could check how meaningful, as a reference group, the Kola Saami group is. It seems to me that it correlates surprisingly, even suspiciously well with North-Eastern Russian samples. The other Saami group are, at least based on single mode, very different from this group.

Besides, have you or do you intend to publish Fst-values for the reference groups?

David Mc
09-15-2014, 07:12 AM
Hi Vadim. You asked us to say something about our ancestry, but I can't seem to edit the moved post, so I'll do it this way.

My father is Northern Irish, but settler-stock (mainly Lowland Scots and English); his paternal line came to Ireland from the Isle of Man, though somewhere around 1700 AD. My mother is almost entirely English (East Anglia, Middlesex (London), and the Southwest, but she has a maternal great grandfather who was "native" Irish. Given the Isles mix, I tend to self-identify, simply, as "British." The results are, again, below.


For me, the K23b Oracle has given the most accurate results of any test so far (MDLP or otherwise):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 36.76
2 European_Early_Farmers 28.79
3 Caucasian 19.98
4 South_Central_Asian 5.69
5 Ancestral_Altaic 5.03
6 North_African 1.56
7 Near_East 1.1
8 Paleo_Siberian 0.91
9 East_Siberian 0.18

Oracle Results:

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 English ( ) 1.69
2 North_European ( ) 1.7
3 English_Kent_GBR ( ) 3.21
4 English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) 3.58
5 Belgian ( ) 3.63
6 CEU ( ) 3.73
7 Welsh ( ) 4.47
8 Norwegian_Bergen ( ) 5.92
9 Dutch ( ) 5.97
10 Icelandic ( ) 6.61
11 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) 6.74
12 Swede ( ) 6.93
13 North_German ( ) 7.74
14 Orcadian ( ) 7.94
15 South_German ( ) 8.14
16 French ( ) 8.6
17 British ( ) 8.76
18 Portugese ( ) 13.52
19 Austrian ( ) 14.46
20 Spanish_Baleares_IBS ( ) 15.1

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 90.7% English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) + 9.3% Kuban_cossack ( ) @ 1.05
2 96% North_European ( ) + 4% Greek_Thessaly ( ) @ 1.05
3 96.9% North_European ( ) + 3.1% Greek_Smyrna ( ) @ 1.06
4 50.4% English ( ) + 49.6% North_European ( ) @ 1.07
5 97.1% North_European ( ) + 2.9% Greek_Islands ( ) @ 1.07
6 95.4% North_European ( ) + 4.6% Italian_Abruzzo ( ) @ 1.07
7 72.4% North_European ( ) + 27.6% Belgian ( ) @ 1.07
8 96.5% North_European ( ) + 3.5% Central_Greek ( ) @ 1.07
9 95.7% North_European ( ) + 4.3% Kosovar ( ) @ 1.07
10 87% English ( ) + 13% British ( ) @ 1.08
11 96.8% North_European ( ) + 3.2% Greek_Athens ( ) @ 1.08
12 94.7% North_European ( ) + 5.3% Italian_Tuscan ( ) @ 1.08
13 95.3% North_European ( ) + 4.7% Sicilian_Trapani ( ) @ 1.08
14 73.4% English ( ) + 26.6% CEU ( ) @ 1.08
15 96.9% North_European ( ) + 3.1% Italian_South ( ) @ 1.09
16 96.8% North_European ( ) + 3.2% Greek_Phokaia ( ) @ 1.09
17 98.6% North_European ( ) + 1.4% 1_Gokhem5 ( ) @ 1.09
18 96.8% North_European ( ) + 3.2% Greek ( ) @ 1.09
19 96.4% North_European ( ) + 3.6% Albanian_Tirana ( ) @ 1.1
20 98.5% North_European ( ) + 1.5% Georgian_Laz ( ) @ 1.1

Oracle 4 Results:

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 English @ 1.458210
2 North_European @ 1.771061
3 Belgian @ 2.634375
4 CEU @ 2.777531
5 English_Kent_GBR @ 3.037564
6 English_Cornwall_GBR @ 3.652070
7 Welsh @ 3.861706
8 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 4.719982
9 Dutch @ 5.304448
10 Orcadian @ 5.367535
11 Norwegian_Bergen @ 5.556241
12 South_German @ 6.024904
13 British @ 6.185722
14 Icelandic @ 6.697094
15 North_German @ 9.110962
16 French @ 10.457448
17 Swede @ 11.084743
18 Austrian @ 11.637583
19 German_East @ 13.373690
20 Hungarian @ 15.694191

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% English +50% North_European @ 1.221788


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% English +25% English_Cornwall_GBR +25% North_European @ 0.910333


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 English + English + English_Cornwall_GBR + North_European @ 0.910333
2 English + English + English_Kent_GBR + North_European @ 0.917835
3 Belgian + English + English_Cornwall_GBR + North_European @ 0.946804
4 Dutch + English + French + Icelandic @ 0.966337
5 Dutch + English + French + Norwegian_Bergen @ 1.009073
6 Belgian + English + North_European + Welsh @ 1.009941
7 English + English_Cornwall_GBR + North_European + North_European @ 1.011471
8 Dutch + English_Kent_GBR + North_European + Welsh @ 1.024171
9 Belgian + CEU + English + English @ 1.035723
10 Belgian + Dutch + French + Icelandic @ 1.046970
11 Belgian + CEU + English + North_European @ 1.053425
12 English + English + English + English_Kent_GBR @ 1.058408
13 CEU + English + English + English @ 1.061778
14 Belgian + Dutch + Welsh + Welsh @ 1.062362
15 Belgian + English + English + Welsh @ 1.062689
16 Austrian + English_Cornwall_GBR + English_Cornwall_GBR + Orcadian @ 1.065638
17 English + English + English + English_Cornwall_GBR @ 1.067120
18 Dutch + English + English_Kent_GBR + Welsh @ 1.069302
19 Belgian + English_Cornwall_GBR + North_European + North_European @ 1.079202
20 Belgian + CEU + Dutch + Welsh @ 1.084590

Hanna
09-15-2014, 07:17 AM
My oracle 4, all 4 of my grandparents are Anatolian Turks

MDLP K23b Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 45.98
2 South_Central_Asian 18.16
3 European_Early_Farmers 11.37
4 Near_East 9.52
5 European_Hunters_Gatherers 3.14
6 Ancestral_Altaic 2.82
7 Tungus-Altaic 2.81
8 East_Siberian 2.20


Finished reading population data. 543 populations found.
23 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Turk_Kayseri @ 4.266644
2 Turk @ 6.815643
3 Turk_Adana @ 8.286249
4 Armenian @ 8.635117
5 Georgian_Jew @ 8.882082
6 Armenian_Yerevan @ 9.504634
7 Jew_Tat @ 10.325316
8 Uzbek_Tashkent @ 10.710565
9 Uzbekistani_Jew @ 10.758110
10 Turk_Istanbul @ 10.797637
11 Azeri @ 10.807470
12 Assyrian_Arzni @ 10.868814
13 Cirkassian @ 12.250082
14 Turk_Aydin @ 12.944167
15 Kurd_Jew @ 13.072672
16 Baku_WGA @ 13.332445
17 Iranian_Jew @ 13.429023
18 Iraqi_Jew @ 13.861007
19 Kurd @ 13.943723
20 Turk_Balikesir @ 14.166455

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Armenian +50% Turk_Kayseri @ 4.231438


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Azeri +25% Greek_Smyrna +25% Turk_Trabzon @ 3.575541


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Azeri + Greek_Smyrna + Kakheti + Turk_Kayseri @ 2.986220
2 Kakheti + Turk_Kayseri + Turk_Kayseri + Turk_Kayseri @ 2.992809
3 Greek_Smyrna + Kakheti + Turk_Kayseri + Uzbek_Tashkent @ 3.175688
4 Azeri + Georgian + Greek_Smyrna + Turk_Kayseri @ 3.241465
5 Azeri + Greek_Islands + Kakheti + Turk_Kayseri @ 3.264966
6 Armenian + Turk_Kayseri + Turk_Kayseri + Turk_Kayseri @ 3.312312
7 Armenian + Cirkassian + Turk_Kayseri + Turk_Kayseri @ 3.328032
8 Kakheti + Turk + Turk_Kayseri + Turk_Kayseri @ 3.358152
9 Abkhasian + Azeri + Greek_Smyrna + Turk_Kayseri @ 3.383523
10 Kakheti + Turk_Adana + Turk_Kayseri + Turk_Kayseri @ 3.385204
11 Azeri + Greek_Smyrna + Kakheti + Turk @ 3.407955
12 Armenian_Yerevan + Turk_Kayseri + Turk_Kayseri + Turk_Kayseri @ 3.431081
13 Azeri + Georgian + Greek_Smyrna + Turk_Adana @ 3.440765
14 Greek_Islands + Kakheti + Kurd + Turk_Kayseri @ 3.460352
15 Greek_Smyrna + Kakheti + Kurd + Turk_Kayseri @ 3.465712
16 Greek_Islands + Kakheti + Turk_Kayseri + Uzbek_Tashkent @ 3.486508
17 Georgian + Greek_Smyrna + Turk_Kayseri + Uzbek_Tashkent @ 3.529923
18 Abkhasian + Azeri + Greek_Smyrna + Turk_Adana @ 3.537715
19 Georgian + Greek_Smyrna + Kurd + Turk_Kayseri @ 3.541098
20 Armenian + Cirkassian + Turk_Adana + Turk_Kayseri @ 3.544460

Bulut
09-15-2014, 08:12 AM
just Turkish

MDLP K23b Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 36.36
2 South_Central_Asian 14.29
3 European_Early_Farmers 11.53
4 European_Hunters_Gatherers 10.00
5 Near_East 8.98
6 Tungus-Altaic 3.50
7 East_Siberian 2.72
8 Ancestral_Altaic 2.48
9 South_East_Asian 1.90
10 Paleo_Siberian 1.89
11 Arctic 1.38
12 South_Indian 1.07
13 Archaic_African 1.06


Finished reading population data. 543 populations found.
23 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Turk_Aydin @ 5.002108
2 Turk_Balikesir @ 6.713598
3 Turk_Istanbul @ 6.793200
4 Turk @ 7.329130
5 Turk_Adana @ 9.655854
6 Turk_Kayseri @ 9.984498
7 Azov_Greek @ 11.072625
8 Georgian_Jew @ 12.691505
9 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain @ 12.793129
10 Crimean_Tatar_Coast @ 13.972654
11 Azeri @ 14.575354
12 Cirkassian @ 14.852745
13 Uzbek_Tashkent @ 15.036784
14 Greek_Smyrna @ 15.177227
15 Stalskoe_Kumyk @ 15.479873
16 Syrian_Jew @ 15.759640
17 Cretan @ 15.926901
18 Ashkenazi_Jew @ 16.494822
19 Nogai @ 16.519773
20 Uzbekistani_Jew @ 16.560204

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Turk_Aydin +50% Turk_Aydin @ 5.002108


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek +25% Turkmen_Uzbekistan +25% Uzbek_Tashkent @ 3.224803


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Kosovar + Kurd_Jew + Turk_Istanbul + Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 2.890584
2 Gagauz + Greek_Smyrna + Turkmen_Uzbekistan + Uzbek_Tashkent @ 2.899895
3 Kosovar + Turk + Turkmen_Uzbekistan + Uzbekistani_Jew @ 2.921222
4 Azov_Greek + Greek + Turkmen_Uzbekistan + Uzbek_Tashkent @ 2.932072
5 Azov_Greek + Greek_Phokaia + Turkmen_Uzbekistan + Uzbek_Tashkent @ 2.933791
6 Greek_Peloponnesos + Turk_Istanbul + Turkmen_Uzbekistan + Uzbekistani_Jew @ 2.945046
7 Iraqi_Jew + Italian_Piedmont + Kabardin + Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 2.950945
8 Iraqi_Jew + Italian_Tuscan + Kabardin + Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 2.953287
9 Albanian_Tirana + Turk_Istanbul + Turkmen_Uzbekistan + Uzbekistani_Jew @ 2.953963
10 Greek_Thessaloniki + Turk_Istanbul + Turkmen_Uzbekistan + Uzbekistani_Jew @ 2.954193
11 Albanian_Tirana + Kurd_Jew + Turk_Istanbul + Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 2.962861
12 Azov_Greek + Central_Greek + Turkmen_Uzbekistan + Uzbek_Tashkent @ 2.970888
13 Jew_Tat + Kosovar + Turk + Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 2.972735
14 Kosovar + Turk_Istanbul + Turkmen_Uzbekistan + Uzbekistani_Jew @ 2.973283
15 Central_Greek + Georgian_Jew + Turk + Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 2.977295
16 Central_Greek + Turk_Istanbul + Turkmen_Uzbekistan + Uzbekistani_Jew @ 2.984429
17 Kosovar + Kurd_Jew + Turk + Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 2.986049
18 Georgian_Jew + Kosovar + Turk + Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 2.987389
19 Georgian_Jew + Greek_Thessaloniki + Turk + Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 2.991123
20 Greek_Thessaly + Turk + Turkmen_Uzbekistan + Uzbek_Tashkent @ 2.995698

Salkin
09-15-2014, 12:37 PM
For completeness, here's my Oracle-4 result - previous run with single-Oracle is here (http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?3159-Post-your-MDLP-K23b-calculator-Oracle-ancestry-here&p=51778&viewfull=1#post51778).

It's interesting that it likes assigning Belgian to me so much. That's actually the sole known foreign admixture I have, but it ought to be maybe 2-3%, not 50%. (23andMe calls me 2.3% French&German on Speculative)

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Swede @ 4.384255
2 North_German @ 4.720592
3 Dutch @ 5.639322
4 Icelandic @ 5.974842
5 Norwegian_Bergen @ 6.040995
6 North_European @ 7.180983
7 Belgian @ 7.208788
8 English @ 7.824253
9 South_German @ 7.965441
10 Austrian @ 8.920747
11 CEU @ 9.303029
12 English_Kent_GBR @ 9.766293
13 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 9.902618
14 German-Volga @ 10.204519
15 Orcadian @ 10.407328
16 English_Cornwall_GBR @ 10.957625
17 Welsh @ 11.130165
18 Hungarian @ 11.509324
19 German @ 11.585138
20 British @ 11.838601

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Belgian +50% Swede @ 2.739466


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% English_Kent_GBR +25% Finn_West +25% Swede @ 2.286800


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Belgian + English_Kent_GBR + Finn_West + Swede @ 2.114239
2 Belgian + British + English_Cornwall_GBR + Estonian @ 2.218772
3 Finn_West + French + Swede + Swede @ 2.241803
4 Belgian + British + English_Kent_GBR + Estonian @ 2.247862
5 Belgian + CEU + Finn_West + Swede @ 2.270017
6 Belgian + British + British + Balt @ 2.283833
7 English_Kent_GBR + English_Kent_GBR + Finn_West + Swede @ 2.286800
8 Belgian + British + Finn_West + Swede @ 2.291637
9 Belgian + English_Cornwall_GBR + Finn_West + Swede @ 2.306236
10 English_Kent_GBR + Finn_West + North_European + Swede @ 2.334010
11 Belgian + Belgian + Finn_West + Swede @ 2.359326
12 British + British + Swede + Belarusian-East @ 2.363668
13 Belgian + Finn_West + North_European + Swede @ 2.368255
14 British + English_Kent_GBR + English_Kent_GBR + Estonian @ 2.373978
15 Belgian + British + English_Cornwall_GBR + Balt @ 2.381597
16 Belarusian_Russian + Belgian + British + British @ 2.384038
17 Belgian + British + British + Mixed_East_Slav @ 2.391969
18 British + English_Kent_GBR + English_Kent_GBR + Balt @ 2.397110
19 English_Cornwall_GBR + English_Kent_GBR + English_Kent_GBR + Estonian @ 2.406206
20 Belgian + British + Norwegian_Bergen + Russian-North-West @ 2.417189

Hanna
09-15-2014, 01:20 PM
Add here "South_Central_Asian 17.22", probably from his Seljuk or Osmanli ancestors

I don't think south central Asian in this run necessarily indicates Central Asian Turkic ancestry as Armenians and other West Asians actually score more of it than Turks. It resembles Gedrosia perhaps?

An Armenians K23b results, notice the South central Asian score:


# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 52.31
2 South_Central_Asian 18.86
3 Near_East 10.94
4 European_Early_Farmers 8.56
5 European_Hunters_Gatherers 4.62
6 North_African 2.19
7 Ancestral_Altaic 0.73
8 Melano_Polynesian 0.62
9 Khoisan 0.56
10 East_African 0.31
11 South_Indian 0.19
12 Amerindian



# Population (source) Distance
1 Armenian ( ) 2.48
2 Armenian_Yerevan ( ) 3.32
3 Assyrian_Arzni ( ) 5.32
4 Jew_Tat ( ) 10.29
5 Kakheti ( ) 11.69
6 Adygei ( ) 12.5
7 Circassian ( ) 12.7
8 Balkar ( ) 12.98
9 Ossetian ( ) 13.19
10 Kabardin ( ) 13.23
11 North_Ossetian ( ) 13.72
12 Turk_Trabzon ( ) 13.96
13 Kumyk ( ) 14.25
14 Druze ( ) 14.51
15 Cirkassian ( ) 14.66
16 Georgian_Jew ( ) 14.84
17 Iraqi_Jew ( ) 15.04
18 Chechen ( ) 15.12
19 Lebanese_Druze ( ) 15.75
20 Crimean_Tatar_Coast ( ) 15.78



# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 95.1% Armenian ( ) + 4.9% Georgian_Megrelia ( ) @ 2.22
2 94.5% Armenian ( ) + 5.5% Georgian ( ) @ 2.23
3 94.6% Armenian ( ) + 5.4% Abkhasian ( ) @ 2.23
4 95.9% Armenian ( ) + 4.1% Georgian_Imereti ( ) @ 2.24
5 92.8% Armenian ( ) + 7.2% Circassian ( ) @ 2.28
6 95.9% Armenian ( ) + 4.1% Georgian_Svan ( ) @ 2.29
7 92.4% Armenian ( ) + 7.6% Kakheti ( ) @ 2.29
8 96.3% Armenian ( ) + 3.7% Georgian_Tbilisi ( ) @ 2.3
9 95.5% Armenian ( ) + 4.5% Adjara ( ) @ 2.3
10 96.8% Armenian ( ) + 3.2% Georgian_Laz ( ) @ 2.31
11 93.9% Armenian ( ) + 6.1% Ossetian ( ) @ 2.34
12 94.3% Armenian ( ) + 5.7% Turk_Trabzon ( ) @ 2.34
13 94.4% Armenian ( ) + 5.6% Adygei ( ) @ 2.37
14 95.1% Armenian ( ) + 4.9% Balkar ( ) @ 2.39
15 95.6% Armenian ( ) + 4.4% North_Ossetian ( ) @ 2.4
16 96.4% Armenian ( ) + 3.6% Cirkassian ( ) @ 2.42
17 96.7% Armenian ( ) + 3.3% Kabardin ( ) @ 2.44
18 97.4% Armenian ( ) + 2.6% Chechen ( ) @ 2.45
19 97.8% Armenian ( ) + 2.2% Kumyk ( ) @ 2.46
20 99% Armenian ( ) + 1% Tabassaran ( ) @ 2.47

Tįltos
09-15-2014, 01:49 PM
My ancestry on my mother's side is Colonial American,German, and Arbėresh from Southern Italy. On my father's side Lithuanian, Polish, and Rusyn from Eastern Slovakia. Through DNA testing discovered that there is some Jewish on my Dad's side too. Really just a mongrel. :) So here's what that looks like in 4 ancestor oracle. My 23andme data, I'm v4 chip.
1 1_Loschbour + Austrian + Georgian_Laz + Spanish_Extremadura_IBS @ 1.088448
2 1_Loschbour + Austrian + Georgian_Laz + Spaniard @ 1.109259
3 1_Loschbour + Austrian + Georgian_Laz + Spanish_Galicia_IBS @ 1.123040
4 1_LaBrana + Georgian_Laz + Hungarian + Spanish_Castilla_la_Mancha_IBS @ 1.180413
5 1_LaBrana + Adjara + Russian_South + Sardinian @ 1.198601
6 1_Loschbour + Georgian_Laz + Hungarian + Spanish_Andalucia_IBS @ 1.202693
7 Azov_Greek + Latvian + Pole_Mazowia + Spanish_Aragon_IBS @ 1.229099
8 1_LBK380 + 1_Motala12 + Adygei + Croat_BH @ 1.230438
9 1_LBK380 + 1_Motala_merge + Adygei + Croat_BH @ 1.232147
10 Azov_Greek + Latvian + Pole_Mazowia + Spanish_Cantabria_IBS @ 1.238196
11 1_LaBrana + Austrian + Georgian_Laz + Spanish_Valencia_IBS @ 1.251171
12 1_Motala12 + Adjara + Sardinian + Ukrainian_West @ 1.255493
13 1_LaBrana + Croat + Georgian_Laz + Spanish_Aragon_IBS @ 1.257372
14 1_Motala_merge + Adjara + Sardinian + Ukrainian_West @ 1.264141
15 1_Loschbour + Georgian_Laz + Hungarian + Spanish_Murcia_IBS @ 1.267760
16 1_LaBrana + Austrian + Georgian_Laz + Spanish_Andalucia_IBS @ 1.284465
17 1_Loschbour + Greek_Athens + Italian_Bergamo + Ossetian_Russian @ 1.298597
18 Belarusian_East + English + Greek_Athens + North_German @ 1.311678
19 1_LaBrana + Adjara + Sardinian + Ukrainian_East @ 1.320320
20 1_LaBrana + Georgian_Laz + Hungarian_Budapest + Spanish_Castilla_la_Mancha_IBS @ 1.320404
My Mom is Colonial American/German on her mother's side, and Arbėresh on her father's side. Here is her 4 ancestor again. She is on v3.
Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Croat + English_Kent_GBR + Iranian_Jew + Italian_Bergamo @ 1.018074
2 1_LBK380 + Dutch + Ukrainian_Center + Uzbekistani_Jew @ 1.022033
3 Assyrian_Arzni + Italian_Abruzzo + Latvian + Spanish_Aragon_IBS @ 1.076329
4 1_LBK380 + Dutch + Russian_South + Uzbekistani_Jew @ 1.079630
5 Bosnian + English_Kent_GBR + Iranian_Jew + Italian_Bergamo @ 1.107667
6 Greek_Thessaly + Sorb + Spanish_Valencia_IBS + Uzbekistani_Jew @ 1.115366
7 English + English + Kosovar + Lebanese_Druze @ 1.127208
8 Greek_Thessaly + Sorb + Spanish_Castilla_la_Mancha_IBS + Uzbekistani_Jew @ 1.135812
9 1_LBK380 + Dutch + Ukrainian_East + Uzbekistani_Jew @ 1.143767
10 English_Kent_GBR + Iranian_Jew + Italian_Bergamo + Serb_BH @ 1.155644
11 Croat + English_Cornwall_GBR + Iranian_Jew + Italian_Bergamo @ 1.176606
12 Greek_Thessaly + Pole_South_East + Spanish_Castilla_la_Mancha_IBS + Uzbekistani_Jew @ 1.181372
13 1_LBK380 + Dutch + Iranian_Jew + Russian_South @ 1.202870
14 Greek_Thessaly + Pole_South_East + Spanish_Valencia_IBS + Uzbekistani_Jew @ 1.205195
15 Albanian_Tirana + English + English_Kent_GBR + Iraqi_Jew @ 1.205548
16 English + Greek_Thessaloniki + Lebanese_Druze + Welsh @ 1.209173
17 Dutch + Dutch + Italian_Tuscan + Lebanese_Druze @ 1.209235
18 Greek_Thessaly + Sorb + Spanish_Aragon_IBS + Uzbekistani_Jew @ 1.209559
19 Greek_Thessaly + Sorb + Spanish_Cantabria_IBS + Uzbekistani_Jew @ 1.210197
20 1_LBK380 + Dutch + Ukrainian_Russian + Uzbekistani_Jew @ 1.214827

Gray Fox
09-15-2014, 02:55 PM
Here's mine

Admix Results (sorted):


# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 37.24
2 European_Early_Farmers 27.81
3 Caucasian 20.03
4 South_Central_Asian 7.61
5 Ancestral_Altaic 3.61
6 Near_East 1.16
7 Australoid 0.99
8 Archaic_African 0.93
9 North_African 0.6
10 Subsaharian 0.02


Oracle

Single Population Sharing:


# Population (source) Distance
1 English ( ) 2.45
2 North_European ( ) 3.15
3 Belgian ( ) 4.72
4 CEU ( ) 4.81
5 English_Kent_GBR ( ) 4.93
6 English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) 5.06
7 Dutch ( ) 5.48
8 Welsh ( ) 5.51
9 Norwegian_Bergen ( ) 6.27
10 Swede ( ) 6.61
11 Icelandic ( ) 6.73
12 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) 6.97
13 North_German ( ) 7.1
14 South_German ( ) 8
15 Orcadian ( ) 8.5
16 German-Volga ( ) 9.22
17 British ( ) 9.69
18 French ( ) 10.07
19 Austrian ( ) 14.15
20 German_East ( ) 15

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 80.7% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) + 19.3% Bulgarian ( ) @ 1.66
2 81.1% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) + 18.9% Macedonian ( ) @ 1.71
3 80.6% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) + 19.4% Serb_Serbia ( ) @ 1.71
4 84.4% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) + 15.6% Gagauz ( ) @ 1.72
5 79.5% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) + 20.5% Montenegrian ( ) @ 1.73
6 79.4% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) + 20.6% Serb_BH ( ) @ 1.8
7 91.6% CEU ( ) + 8.4% Uzbek_Tashkent ( ) @ 1.83
8 53.7% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) + 46.3% South_German ( ) @ 1.84
9 79.4% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) + 20.6% Croat ( ) @ 1.86
10 79.7% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) + 20.3% Bosnian ( ) @ 1.89
11 92.1% CEU ( ) + 7.9% Tabassaran ( ) @ 1.9
12 91.2% CEU ( ) + 8.8% Azeri ( ) @ 1.91
13 87.8% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) + 12.2% Crimean_Tatar_Coast ( ) @ 1.91
14 97.9% English ( ) + 2.1% Kalash ( ) @ 1.92
15 86.8% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) + 13.2% Azov_Greek ( ) @ 1.92
16 97.7% English ( ) + 2.3% Brahui ( ) @ 1.92
17 92% CEU ( ) + 8% Baku_WGA ( ) @ 1.93
18 91.4% CEU ( ) + 8.6% Kurd ( ) @ 1.94
19 80.3% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) + 19.7% Croat_BH ( ) @ 1.94
20 94.5% North_European ( ) + 5.5% Iranian ( ) @ 1.95


Oracle 4


Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 English @ 2.506974
2 North_European @ 3.110827
3 CEU @ 4.073461
4 Belgian @ 4.215991
5 Dutch @ 4.867762
6 English_Kent_GBR @ 4.899934
7 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 4.901531
8 Welsh @ 5.055951
9 English_Cornwall_GBR @ 5.290851
10 Norwegian_Bergen @ 5.710562
11 South_German @ 5.868273
12 Orcadian @ 6.100886
13 Icelandic @ 6.544009
14 German-Volga @ 7.105812
15 British @ 7.407091
16 North_German @ 8.368073
17 Swede @ 10.649437
18 Austrian @ 11.290293
19 French @ 11.872836
20 German_East @ 13.248245

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR +50% South_German @ 1.970417


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR +25% South_German +25% South_German @ 1.970417


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + South_German + South_German @ 1.970417
2 Dutch + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + South_German @ 2.018383
3 Dutch + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + South_German + Welsh @ 2.022202
4 English + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + South_German @ 2.124129
5 CEU + Dutch + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + South_German @ 2.146896
6 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + South_German + German-Volga @ 2.170660
7 English + English + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + South_German @ 2.173454
8 Hungarian_Budapest + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + Welsh + Welsh @ 2.187449
9 Montenegrian + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 2.190446
10 Hungarian_Budapest + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + Welsh @ 2.195042
11 Orcadian + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + South_German + South_German @ 2.200582
12 Dutch + Orcadian + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + South_German @ 2.211958
13 Dutch + English_Cornwall_GBR + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + South_German @ 2.212908
14 Austrian + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + Welsh @ 2.221142
15 Dutch + English + English + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 2.233953
16 Montenegrian + Orcadian + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 2.245098
17 English + North_European + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + South_German @ 2.257558
18 Dutch + Orcadian + South_German + Welsh @ 2.257669
19 Dutch + Dutch + Welsh + Welsh @ 2.276005
20 CEU + English + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + South_German @ 2.277489

Gray Fox
09-15-2014, 03:26 PM
Forgot to add ancestry.. Predominantly British and German Palatinate with trace amounts of Irish, Welsh and French Huguenot.

Dimanto
09-15-2014, 03:55 PM
I've seen a woman who has 3 grandparents from Groningen and 1 from Noord-Holland came out as ''Belgian'' and also a Frisian if I'm not mistaken. Most Dutch came out 'Dutch' though, so this calculator is still quite accurate for people with primarily North-West European ancestry.


For completeness, here's my Oracle-4 result - previous run with single-Oracle is here (http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?3159-Post-your-MDLP-K23b-calculator-Oracle-ancestry-here&p=51778&viewfull=1#post51778).

It's interesting that it likes assigning Belgian to me so much. That's actually the sole known foreign admixture I have, but it ought to be maybe 2-3%, not 50%. (23andMe calls me 2.3% French&German on Speculative)

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Swede @ 4.384255
2 North_German @ 4.720592
3 Dutch @ 5.639322
4 Icelandic @ 5.974842
5 Norwegian_Bergen @ 6.040995
6 North_European @ 7.180983
7 Belgian @ 7.208788
8 English @ 7.824253
9 South_German @ 7.965441
10 Austrian @ 8.920747
11 CEU @ 9.303029
12 English_Kent_GBR @ 9.766293
13 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 9.902618
14 German-Volga @ 10.204519
15 Orcadian @ 10.407328
16 English_Cornwall_GBR @ 10.957625
17 Welsh @ 11.130165
18 Hungarian @ 11.509324
19 German @ 11.585138
20 British @ 11.838601

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Belgian +50% Swede @ 2.739466


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% English_Kent_GBR +25% Finn_West +25% Swede @ 2.286800


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Belgian + English_Kent_GBR + Finn_West + Swede @ 2.114239
2 Belgian + British + English_Cornwall_GBR + Estonian @ 2.218772
3 Finn_West + French + Swede + Swede @ 2.241803
4 Belgian + British + English_Kent_GBR + Estonian @ 2.247862
5 Belgian + CEU + Finn_West + Swede @ 2.270017
6 Belgian + British + British + Balt @ 2.283833
7 English_Kent_GBR + English_Kent_GBR + Finn_West + Swede @ 2.286800
8 Belgian + British + Finn_West + Swede @ 2.291637
9 Belgian + English_Cornwall_GBR + Finn_West + Swede @ 2.306236
10 English_Kent_GBR + Finn_West + North_European + Swede @ 2.334010
11 Belgian + Belgian + Finn_West + Swede @ 2.359326
12 British + British + Swede + Belarusian-East @ 2.363668
13 Belgian + Finn_West + North_European + Swede @ 2.368255
14 British + English_Kent_GBR + English_Kent_GBR + Estonian @ 2.373978
15 Belgian + British + English_Cornwall_GBR + Balt @ 2.381597
16 Belarusian_Russian + Belgian + British + British @ 2.384038
17 Belgian + British + British + Mixed_East_Slav @ 2.391969
18 British + English_Kent_GBR + English_Kent_GBR + Balt @ 2.397110
19 English_Cornwall_GBR + English_Kent_GBR + English_Kent_GBR + Estonian @ 2.406206
20 Belgian + British + Norwegian_Bergen + Russian-North-West @ 2.417189

Dimanto
09-15-2014, 03:58 PM
Can you share her kitnumber with me? I'm collecting peoples kitnumber with similar ancestry :)
From where in Southern Italy did her ancestors came from ?

5 1_LaBrana + Adjara + Russian_South + Sardinian @ 1.198601

Tįltos
09-15-2014, 04:14 PM
Can you share her kitnumber with me? I'm collecting peoples kitnumber with similar ancestry :)
From where in Southern Italy did her ancestors came from ?

5 1_LaBrana + Adjara + Russian_South + Sardinian @ 1.198601
My Mom's ancestors are from San Nicola dell'Alto. Is Gedmatch completely down right now? I have to admit, I can't quite remember my Gedmatch number for my 23andme data, or my Mom's # off the top of my head. :embarrassed: I can remember my FTDNA one though, but I'm more mixed than her.

Tįltos
09-15-2014, 04:26 PM
Is Gedmatch completely down right now?
Never mind, I just found it. Last night it seemed to have disappeared. Dimanto I'll send you a pm.

Dimanto
09-15-2014, 08:23 PM
I'm collecting half North(east) Euro/Italian. Less than 1/4 is not so interesting. Thank you !!


Never mind, I just found it. Last night it seemed to have disappeared. Dimanto I'll send you a pm.

Tįltos
09-15-2014, 09:26 PM
I'm collecting half North(east) Euro/Italian. Less than 1/4 is not so interesting. Thank you !!
Okay I see, your welcome!

Dimanto
09-15-2014, 10:12 PM
Your mums results are very similar to mine, only her Near Eastern is a little bit higher and my Early_European_Farmer is somewhat higher. Is she half German ?


Okay I see, your welcome!

MitchellSince1893
09-16-2014, 02:11 AM
Any idea when we might see MDLP K23 on Gedmatch?

Varun R
09-16-2014, 02:15 AM
It's there already

Alanson
09-16-2014, 02:50 AM
My results:

Admix Results (sorted):


# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 38.38
2 Near_East 18.18
3 South_Central_Asian 15.71
4 European_Early_Farmers 6.89
5 North_African 6.62
6 Melano_Polynesian 2.48
7 South_Indian 2.48
8 European_Hunters_Gatherers 1.97
9 Subsaharian 1.44
10 Amerindian 1.36
11 Ancestral_Altaic 1.31
12 East_African 1.27
13 East_Siberian 0.46
14 Khoisan 0.44
15 Archaic_Human 0.44
16 Austronesian 0.36
17 Archaic_African 0.2

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Azeri + BedouinA + Christian_Arabs_Israel + Iranian @ 2.927067
2 Egyptian_Tanta + Georgian_Jew + Iranian + Jew_Tat @ 2.966725
3 Baku_WGA + BedouinA + Christian_Arabs_Israel + Iranian @ 2.984586
4 Egyptian_Kafar_Sheikh + Georgian_Jew + Iranian + Jew_Tat @ 3.014414
5 BedouinA + Christian_Arabs_Israel + Iranian + Uzbek_Tashkent @ 3.022156
6 Georgian_Jew + Iranian + Lebanese + Palestinian @ 3.025569
7 Baku_WGA + Egyptian_Tanta + Iranian + Lebanese_Christian @ 3.030086
8 Egyptian_Kafar_Sheikh + Iranian + Lebanese_Druze + Uzbekistani_Jew @ 3.034943
9 Egyptian_Kafar_Sheikh + Georgian_Jew + Iranian + Iraqi_Jew @ 3.050809
10 Baku_WGA + Egyptian_Kafar_Sheikh + Iranian + Lebanese_Christian @ 3.056392
11 Druze + Egyptian_Tanta + Iranian + Kurd @ 3.061385
12 Iranian + Lebanese_Muslim + Lebanese_Muslim + Syrian @ 3.061974
13 Druze + Egyptian_Kafar_Sheikh + Iranian + Kurd @ 3.069037
14 Iranian + Lebanese + Palestinian + Uzbekistani_Jew @ 3.073384
15 Iranian + Jew_Tat + Jordanian + Lebanese @ 3.078167
16 Egyptian_Mansoura + Iranian + Lebanese_Druze + Uzbekistani_Jew @ 3.080267
17 Egyptian_Tanta + Iranian + Lebanese_Druze + Uzbekistani_Jew @ 3.083973
18 Egyptian_Tanta + Georgian_Jew + Iranian + Iraqi_Jew @ 3.087910
19 Egyptian_Kafar_Sheikh + Georgian_Jew + Iranian + Iranian_Jew @ 3.092101
20 Armenian + BedouinA + Iranian + Lebanese @ 3.100502

shazou
09-16-2014, 03:51 AM
I was expecting to come out more heavily Austronesian instead of this added "Southeast Asian" category in my results though. I wonder what samples separate "Austronesian" from "Southeast Asian" on k23b:



Population
Amerindian 0.47%
Ancestral_Altaic 0.17%
South_Central_Asian 0.69%
Arctic -
South_Indian 3.08%
Australoid 1.12%
Austronesian 52.52%
Caucasian 1.79%
Archaic_Human -
East_African 0.18%
East_Siberian -
European_Early_Farmers -
Khoisan 0.23%
Melano_Polynesian 1.28%
Archaic_African -
Near_East 0.30%
North_African 0.08%
Paleo_Siberian -
African_Pygmy -
South_East_Asian 31.08%
Subsaharian -
Tungus-Altaic 6.87%
European_Hunters_Gatherers 0.11%

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Filipino ( ) 2.16
2 Iban ( ) 11.94
3 Vietnamese ( ) 17.91
4 Cambodian ( ) 17.97
5 Vietnamese_central ( ) 18.42
6 Vietnamese_north ( ) 18.63
7 Dai ( ) 18.93
8 Vietnamese_south ( ) 18.97
9 Chinese_Dai ( ) 19.35
10 Thai ( ) 19.39
11 Lebbo ( ) 19.48
12 Khmer_Cambodian ( ) 20.01
13 Kinh_Vietnam_KHV ( ) 20.32
14 Dusun ( ) 20.34
15 Murut ( ) 21.45
16 Bajo ( ) 23.04
17 Han ( ) 27.21
18 She ( ) 27.74
19 Agta ( ) 28.09
20 Aeta ( ) 28.68

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 98.9% Filipino ( ) + 1.1% Georgian_Imereti ( ) @ 1.71
2 99% Filipino ( ) + 1% Georgian_Laz ( ) @ 1.71
3 98.9% Filipino ( ) + 1.1% Georgian_Tbilisi ( ) @ 1.72
4 98.9% Filipino ( ) + 1.1% Georgian_Svan ( ) @ 1.72
5 98.9% Filipino ( ) + 1.1% Georgian_Megrelia ( ) @ 1.73
6 99% Filipino ( ) + 1% 1_Gokhem5 ( ) @ 1.73
7 98.9% Filipino ( ) + 1.1% Georgian ( ) @ 1.74
8 98.9% Filipino ( ) + 1.1% Adjara ( ) @ 1.74
9 98.9% Filipino ( ) + 1.1% Abkhasian ( ) @ 1.74
10 98.9% Filipino ( ) + 1.1% Kakheti ( ) @ 1.77
11 99% Filipino ( ) + 1% Turk_Trabzon ( ) @ 1.79
12 98.9% Filipino ( ) + 1.1% Ossetian ( ) @ 1.79
13 98.9% Filipino ( ) + 1.1% Balkar ( ) @ 1.81
14 98.9% Filipino ( ) + 1.1% North_Ossetian ( ) @ 1.81
15 98.9% Filipino ( ) + 1.1% Adygei ( ) @ 1.82
16 98.8% Filipino ( ) + 1.2% Kabardin ( ) @ 1.83
17 98.9% Filipino ( ) + 1.1% Armenian_Yerevan ( ) @ 1.83
18 98.9% Filipino ( ) + 1.1% Chechen ( ) @ 1.83
19 98.9% Filipino ( ) + 1.1% Circassian ( ) @ 1.83
20 98.9% Filipino ( ) + 1.1% Armenian ( ) @ 1.84

Tįltos
09-16-2014, 04:19 AM
Your mums results are very similar to mine, only her Near Eastern is a little bit higher and my Early_European_Farmer is somewhat higher. Is she half German ?
She has a lot of German ancestry through her maternal line. The unknown is the brick wall at my most distant maternal ancestor, not sure of her ancestry. When she married her first name in the record went from being Mary to "Polly" which is an English nickname for Mary. The married name became Heddens which seems to be British. Wise was her maiden name. I also have a surprising amount of Colonial cousins who report just Isles ancestry, which I would never suspect.

Otherwise men that married into this line, except up to my maternal grandfather, had been German. The line of Germans that had arrived in Colonial times I have found some of the wives had either been from Switzerland, Holland, or France.

Tįltos
09-16-2014, 04:36 AM
It's there already
I didn't realize that it changed. Okay here are my new results, only using the 23andme data.
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 38.55
2 Caucasian 28.32
3 European_Early_Farmers 18.97
4 South_Central_Asian 5.27
5 Near_East 3.19
6 North_African 2.07
7 Ancestral_Altaic 2.06
8 Melano_Polynesian 1
9 Arctic 0.33
10 Archaic_Human 0.15
11 African_Pygmy 0.1

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Slovenian ( ) 3.37
2 Hungarian ( ) 3.37
3 Hungarian_Budapest ( ) 3.61
4 Austrian ( ) 4.65
5 Czech ( ) 5.33
6 Slovak ( ) 6.66
7 German ( ) 8.16
8 German_East ( ) 9.04
9 Croat ( ) 9.16
10 Serb_BH ( ) 9.22
11 Bosnian ( ) 9.33
12 Ukrainian_West ( ) 9.35
13 German-Volga ( ) 9.47
14 Sorb ( ) 9.49
15 Montenegrian ( ) 9.95
16 Croat_BH ( ) 10.24
17 South_German ( ) 10.72
18 North_German ( ) 11.58
19 Serb_Serbia ( ) 11.74
20 Pole ( ) 12.32

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 88.6% Austrian ( ) + 11.4% Uzbek_Tashkent ( ) @ 1.6
2 89.9% Austrian ( ) + 10.1% Kumyk ( ) @ 1.61
3 89.7% Austrian ( ) + 10.3% Azeri_Dagestan ( ) @ 1.67
4 87.8% Austrian ( ) + 12.2% Azeri ( ) @ 1.68
5 90.5% Austrian ( ) + 9.5% Kabardin ( ) @ 1.7
6 88.9% Austrian ( ) + 11.1% Uzbekistani_Jew ( ) @ 1.72
7 90.7% Austrian ( ) + 9.3% Chechen ( ) @ 1.73
8 86.7% Austrian ( ) + 13.3% Turk ( ) @ 1.73
9 89.4% Austrian ( ) + 10.6% Baku_WGA ( ) @ 1.73
10 88.7% Austrian ( ) + 11.3% Kurd ( ) @ 1.78
11 88.5% Austrian ( ) + 11.5% Georgian_Jew ( ) @ 1.79
12 90% Austrian ( ) + 10% Lezgin ( ) @ 1.79
13 86% Austrian ( ) + 14% Turk_Adana ( ) @ 1.79
14 87.3% Austrian ( ) + 12.7% Turk_Kayseri ( ) @ 1.8
15 89.7% Austrian ( ) + 10.3% Tabassaran ( ) @ 1.81
16 91.9% Austrian ( ) + 8.1% Ossetian ( ) @ 1.82
17 91.3% Austrian ( ) + 8.7% Adygei ( ) @ 1.83
18 89.2% Austrian ( ) + 10.8% Kurd_Jew ( ) @ 1.87
19 90.1% Austrian ( ) + 9.9% Avar ( ) @ 1.87
20 89.5% Austrian ( ) + 10.5% Cirkassian ( ) @ 1.87

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Austrian @ 4.205538
2 Hungarian_Budapest @ 4.917678
3 Hungarian @ 5.610407
4 Slovenian @ 6.000002
5 Serb_BH @ 6.448706
6 Croat @ 6.653334
7 Bosnian @ 6.826624
8 Czech @ 7.758526
9 Montenegrian @ 7.872633
10 Serb_Serbia @ 8.265898
11 German_East @ 8.268052
12 Croat_BH @ 8.358900
13 South_German @ 8.420541
14 German-Volga @ 8.793111
15 North_German @ 8.935125
16 Dutch @ 9.517721
17 Slovak @ 10.715922
18 Macedonian @ 10.758199
19 German @ 10.946785
20 Bulgarian @ 11.425899

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Croat_BH +50% German-Volga @ 2.786024


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Dutch +25% Italian_South +25% Lithuanian @ 1.577856


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Azov_Greek + Belarusian + French_South + Balt @ 1.366709
2 Azov_Greek + French + Lithuanian + North_German @ 1.403437
3 Azov_Greek + CEU + Lithuanian + South_German @ 1.415050
4 Azov_Greek + Latvian + Pole + Spanish_Cantabria_IBS @ 1.426427
5 Azov_Greek + Latvian + Sorb + Spanish_Cataluna_IBS @ 1.428281
6 Belarusian + English + Greek + North_German @ 1.430117
7 Greek_Smyrna + Lithuanian + North_European + North_German @ 1.441198
8 Azov_Greek + Latvian + Pole + Spanish_Aragon_IBS @ 1.441427
9 Azov_Greek + Latvian + Pole + Spanish_Castilla_la_Mancha_IBS @ 1.447070
10 Azov_Greek + Lithuanian + South_German + Welsh @ 1.458747
11 Azov_Greek + English_Kent_GBR + Lithuanian + South_German @ 1.461828
12 Belarusian + English + Greek_Athens + North_German @ 1.474471
13 English + Greek_Smyrna + Lithuanian + North_German @ 1.477078
14 English + Greek_Athens + North_German + Russian_Center @ 1.481210
15 Dutch + Greek_Smyrna + Lithuanian + North_German @ 1.486669
16 Greek_Smyrna + Latvian + North_German + South_German @ 1.487773
17 Greek_Smyrna + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + Sorb + Sorb @ 1.501850
18 Azov_Greek + Latvian + Spanish_Cantabria_IBS + Ukrainian_East @ 1.501945
19 Greek_Smyrna + Orcadian + Sorb + Sorb @ 1.504006
20 Belgian + Greek_Smyrna + Lithuanian + North_German @ 1.518984
My Mom
1 Caucasian 31.6
2 European_Hunters_Gatherers 24.32
3 European_Early_Farmers 23.26
4 South_Central_Asian 7.27
5 Near_East 7.17
6 North_African 3.19
7 Ancestral_Altaic 2.68
8 Archaic_African 0.24
9 Melano_Polynesian 0.24
10 Archaic_Human 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Montenegrian ( ) 8.06
2 Bulgarian ( ) 8.94
3 Sicilian_Trapani ( ) 9.58
4 Maltese ( ) 9.65
5 Macedonian ( ) 9.84
6 Serb_BH ( ) 9.87
7 Croat ( ) 10.03
8 Serb_Serbia ( ) 10.08
9 Slovenian ( ) 10.3
10 Hungarian_Budapest ( ) 10.32
11 Sicilian_West ( ) 10.34
12 Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) 10.42
13 Kosovar ( ) 10.45
14 Italian_Abruzzo ( ) 10.49
15 Hungarian ( ) 10.59
16 Bosnian ( ) 10.61
17 Austrian ( ) 10.89
18 Italian_Tuscan ( ) 10.89
19 Sicilian_Siracusa ( ) 11.6
20 Croat_BH ( ) 11.64

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 56.3% English ( ) + 43.7% Cypriot ( ) @ 1.23
2 55.2% Cretan ( ) + 44.8% Icelandic ( ) @ 1.31
3 54.8% Cretan ( ) + 45.2% Norwegian_Bergen ( ) @ 1.48
4 55.7% Cretan ( ) + 44.3% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) @ 1.59
5 53.5% North_European ( ) + 46.5% Cypriot ( ) @ 1.59
6 52% English ( ) + 48% Cretan ( ) @ 1.64
7 60% Dutch ( ) + 40% Cypriot ( ) @ 1.76
8 67.1% German-Volga ( ) + 32.9% Cypriot ( ) @ 1.79
9 50.5% Cypriot ( ) + 49.5% Norwegian_Bergen ( ) @ 1.86
10 57.5% Greek_Smyrna ( ) + 42.5% Icelandic ( ) @ 1.88
11 51.4% Cypriot ( ) + 48.6% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) @ 1.88
12 52.5% Greek_Smyrna ( ) + 47.5% Swede ( ) @ 1.89
13 50.9% Cretan ( ) + 49.1% North_European ( ) @ 1.9
14 53.5% Dutch ( ) + 46.5% Greek_Smyrna ( ) @ 1.9
15 55.8% Dutch ( ) + 44.2% Cretan ( ) @ 1.91
16 61% German-Volga ( ) + 39% Greek_Smyrna ( ) @ 1.94
17 50.9% Cypriot ( ) + 49.1% Icelandic ( ) @ 1.96
18 58.3% Belgian ( ) + 41.7% Cypriot ( ) @ 1.98
19 57% Cretan ( ) + 43% Orcadian ( ) @ 2.01
20 51.3% CEU ( ) + 48.7% Cypriot ( ) @ 2.03

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 31.60
2 European_Hunters_Gatherers 24.32
3 European_Early_Farmers 23.26
4 South_Central_Asian 7.27
5 Near_East 7.17
6 North_African 3.19
7 Ancestral_Altaic 2.68


Finished reading population data. 543 populations found.
23 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Kosovar @ 7.672656
2 Greek_Thessaloniki @ 8.911039
3 Bulgarian @ 9.098689
4 Albanian_Tirana @ 9.994090
5 Greek_Thessaly @ 10.129970
6 Macedonian @ 10.888791
7 Greek_Peloponnesos @ 11.313286
8 Central_Greek @ 11.585271
9 Romanian @ 11.759007
10 Gagauz @ 12.012490
11 Montenegrian @ 12.087309
12 Italian_Tuscan @ 12.647379
13 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain @ 13.282515
14 Italian_Piedmont @ 13.410294
15 German-Volga @ 13.711750
16 Greek @ 14.006493
17 Ashkenazi @ 14.141456
18 Ashkenazi_Jew @ 14.144902
19 Serb_Serbia @ 14.182025
20 Greek_Macedonia @ 14.215556

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Cretan +50% Norwegian_Bergen @ 2.115147


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% English +25% Kosovar +25% Lebanese_Druze @ 1.125420


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Croat + English_Kent_GBR + Iranian_Jew + Italian_Bergamo @ 1.016723
2 Assyrian_Arzni + Italian_Abruzzo + Latvian + Spanish_Aragon_IBS @ 1.079010
3 Greek_Thessaly + Pole + Spanish_Aragon_IBS + Uzbekistani_Jew @ 1.095672
4 Bosnian + English_Kent_GBR + Iranian_Jew + Italian_Bergamo @ 1.107442
5 Greek_Thessaly + Sorb + Spanish_Valencia_IBS + Uzbekistani_Jew @ 1.120485
6 English + English + Kosovar + Lebanese_Druze @ 1.125420
7 Greek_Thessaly + Sorb + Spanish_Castilla_la_Mancha_IBS + Uzbekistani_Jew @ 1.141947
8 Assyrian_Arzni + Italian_Tuscan + Spanish_Aragon_IBS + Balt @ 1.145578
9 English_Kent_GBR + Iranian_Jew + Italian_Bergamo + Serb_BH @ 1.156295
10 Croat + English_Cornwall_GBR + Iranian_Jew + Italian_Bergamo @ 1.175392
11 Albanian_Tirana + English + English_Kent_GBR + Iraqi_Jew @ 1.203065
12 Dutch + Dutch + Italian_Tuscan + Lebanese_Druze @ 1.210624
13 English + Greek_Thessaloniki + Lebanese_Druze + Welsh @ 1.211850
14 Greek_Thessaly + Sorb + Spanish_Cantabria_IBS + Uzbekistani_Jew @ 1.218977
15 Assyrian_Arzni + Macedonian + North_German + Spanish_Galicia_IBS @ 1.220161
16 Greek_Thessaly + Sorb + Spanish_Aragon_IBS + Uzbekistani_Jew @ 1.220415
17 Dutch + French_Jew + Greek_Smyrna + North_German @ 1.221224
18 Dutch + Greek_Smyrna + North_German + Sephardic_Jew @ 1.222744
19 Icelandic + Iraqi_Jew + Italian_Bergamo + Montenegrian @ 1.225755
20 Austrian + Iraqi_Jew + Italian_Bergamo + German-Volga @ 1.226148



Looks like my Mom and I are not resembling those ancient genomes anymore. :\

Stephen1986
09-16-2014, 11:02 AM
She has a lot of German ancestry through her maternal line. The unknown is the brick wall at my most distant maternal ancestor, not sure of her ancestry. When she married her first name in the record went from being Mary to "Polly" which is an English nickname for Mary. The married name became Heddens which seems to be British. Wise was her maiden name. I also have a surprising amount of Colonial cousins who report just Isles ancestry, which I would never suspect.

Otherwise men that married into this line, except up to my maternal grandfather, had been German. The line of Germans that had arrived in Colonial times I have found some of the wives had either been from Switzerland, Holland, or France.

Heddens might be related to the surname Hedden - http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Hedden.

MitchellSince1893
09-16-2014, 11:59 AM
Me# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 39.89
2 European_Early_Farmers 26.45
3 Caucasian 21.71
4 South_Central_Asian 5.22
5 Ancestral_Altaic 3.56
6 Paleo_Siberian 0.72
7 South_Indian 0.66
8 Amerindian 0.44
9 Near_East 0.41
10 North_African 0.39
11 Arctic 0.26
12 African_Pygmy 0.25
13 Khoisan 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Belgian ( ) 2.82
2 Dutch ( ) 3
3 English ( ) 3.3
4 North_German ( ) 4.08
5 South_German ( ) 4.63
6 North_European ( ) 5.28
7 German-Volga ( ) 5.95
8 Swede ( ) 6.05
9 English_Kent_GBR ( ) 6.37
10 English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) 7.39
11 CEU ( ) 7.63
12 Welsh ( ) 8.36
13 Norwegian_Bergen ( ) 8.94
14 Icelandic ( ) 9.45
15 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) 10.37
16 Austrian ( ) 10.63
17 French ( ) 11.46
18 German_East ( ) 11.74
19 Orcadian ( ) 11.75
20 German ( ) 12.7

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 66.8% CEU ( ) + 33.2% Slovenian ( ) @ 1.3
2 67.2% Welsh ( ) + 32.8% Czech ( ) @ 1.31
3 61.7% North_German ( ) + 38.3% English_Kent_GBR ( ) @ 1.33
4 80.4% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 19.6% Don_cossack ( ) @ 1.34
5 68.6% CEU ( ) + 31.4% Hungarian_Budapest ( ) @ 1.37
6 66.3% CEU ( ) + 33.7% Hungarian ( ) @ 1.42
7 70% English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) + 30% Czech ( ) @ 1.42
8 81.5% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 18.5% Belarusian ( ) @ 1.44
9 80.7% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 19.3% Belarusian_South ( ) @ 1.45
10 68.5% Welsh ( ) + 31.5% Slovak ( ) @ 1.47
11 72.2% Welsh ( ) + 27.8% Ukrainian_West ( ) @ 1.47
12 80.5% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 19.5% Ukrainian ( ) @ 1.48
13 64.8% Welsh ( ) + 35.2% Slovenian ( ) @ 1.48
14 65.8% Orcadian ( ) + 34.2% Serb_BH ( ) @ 1.48
15 74.9% North_German ( ) + 25.1% French ( ) @ 1.49
16 71.2% English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) + 28.8% Slovak ( ) @ 1.49
17 82.4% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 17.6% Mixed_East_Slav ( ) @ 1.49
18 64.2% Welsh ( ) + 35.8% Hungarian ( ) @ 1.49
19 82.4% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 17.6% Belarusian_Russian ( ) @ 1.49
20 79.6% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 20.4% Russian_South ( ) @ 1.5

Mom

# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 38.69
2 European_Early_Farmers 26.76
3 Caucasian 20.77
4 South_Central_Asian 4.73
5 Ancestral_Altaic 4.57
6 South_Indian 1.95
7 North_African 1.77
8 Amerindian 0.66
9 East_African 0.1

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 English ( ) 2.86
2 Belgian ( ) 3.37
3 North_European ( ) 4.17
4 Dutch ( ) 4.21
5 North_German ( ) 5.46
6 Swede ( ) 5.59
7 English_Kent_GBR ( ) 5.74
8 English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) 6.49
9 South_German ( ) 6.51
10 CEU ( ) 6.57
11 Welsh ( ) 7.42
12 German-Volga ( ) 7.44
13 Norwegian_Bergen ( ) 7.55
14 Icelandic ( ) 8.08
15 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) 9.17
16 Orcadian ( ) 10.39
17 French ( ) 10.95
18 British ( ) 11.38
19 Austrian ( ) 12.2
20 German_East ( ) 12.75

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 90% North_European ( ) + 10% Roma_Slovenian ( ) @ 1.68
2 92% North_European ( ) + 8% Roma ( ) @ 1.75
3 96.1% Belgian ( ) + 3.9% Dhaka_mixed_popul ( ) @ 1.75
4 96.4% Belgian ( ) + 3.6% Bengali_Bangladesh_BEB ( ) @ 1.78
5 96.3% Belgian ( ) + 3.7% Dharkar ( ) @ 1.8
6 96.3% Belgian ( ) + 3.7% Srivastava ( ) @ 1.81
7 96.5% Belgian ( ) + 3.5% Kanjar ( ) @ 1.81
8 96% Belgian ( ) + 4% Brahmins_UP ( ) @ 1.82
9 96.4% Belgian ( ) + 3.6% Lambadi ( ) @ 1.82
10 96.3% Belgian ( ) + 3.7% Punjabi_Lahore_PJL ( ) @ 1.82
11 96.6% Belgian ( ) + 3.4% Tharu ( ) @ 1.83
12 96.7% Belgian ( ) + 3.3% Piramalai_Kallar ( ) @ 1.83
13 96.7% Belgian ( ) + 3.3% Gond ( ) @ 1.83
14 96% Belgian ( ) + 4% Kshatriya ( ) @ 1.83
15 96.7% Belgian ( ) + 3.3% Scheduled_Caste_UP ( ) @ 1.83
16 95.9% Belgian ( ) + 4.1% Vaish ( ) @ 1.83
17 96.8% Belgian ( ) + 3.2% Naidu ( ) @ 1.84
18 96.7% Belgian ( ) + 3.3% Lodhi ( ) @ 1.84
19 96.2% Belgian ( ) + 3.8% Meghawal ( ) @ 1.84
20 95.7% Belgian ( ) + 4.3% Tiwari ( ) @ 1.84


Dad
# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 36.5
2 European_Early_Farmers 26.53
3 Caucasian 23.18
4 South_Central_Asian 5.45
5 Ancestral_Altaic 4.3
6 Near_East 1.81
7 Arctic 0.78
8 South_Indian 0.46
9 Melano_Polynesian 0.41
10 Khoisan 0.3
11 North_African 0.2
12 Australoid 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_German ( ) 2.9
2 Dutch ( ) 3.42
3 Belgian ( ) 3.49
4 German-Volga ( ) 3.7
5 North_German ( ) 4.53
6 English ( ) 5.09
7 North_European ( ) 7.49
8 English_Kent_GBR ( ) 7.78
9 Swede ( ) 8.1
10 Austrian ( ) 8.91
11 English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) 8.95
12 CEU ( ) 9.59
13 Welsh ( ) 10.14
14 German_East ( ) 11.24
15 Norwegian_Bergen ( ) 11.3
16 Icelandic ( ) 11.84
17 French ( ) 12.19
18 German ( ) 12.21
19 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) 12.52
20 Hungarian ( ) 13.22

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 93.1% Belgian ( ) + 6.9% Uzbek_Tashkent ( ) @ 1.13
2 59.7% Orcadian ( ) + 40.3% Montenegrian ( ) @ 1.25
3 93.5% Belgian ( ) + 6.5% Baku_WGA ( ) @ 1.26
4 62.8% Orcadian ( ) + 37.2% Macedonian ( ) @ 1.28
5 61.9% Orcadian ( ) + 38.1% Serb_Serbia ( ) @ 1.29
6 92.8% Belgian ( ) + 7.2% Azeri ( ) @ 1.29
7 93.3% Belgian ( ) + 6.7% Uzbekistani_Jew ( ) @ 1.3
8 93.4% Belgian ( ) + 6.6% Kurd_Jew ( ) @ 1.32
9 67% Icelandic ( ) + 33% Kosovar ( ) @ 1.32
10 71.1% English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) + 28.9% Croat_BH ( ) @ 1.32
11 93.2% Belgian ( ) + 6.8% Georgian_Jew ( ) @ 1.34
12 92% Belgian ( ) + 8% Turk_Adana ( ) @ 1.35
13 71.9% Norwegian_Bergen ( ) + 28.1% Albanian_Tirana ( ) @ 1.37
14 92.4% Belgian ( ) + 7.6% Turk ( ) @ 1.37
15 93.1% Belgian ( ) + 6.9% Kurd ( ) @ 1.37
16 73% Norwegian_Bergen ( ) + 27% Central_Greek ( ) @ 1.38
17 93.6% Belgian ( ) + 6.4% Iranian_Jew ( ) @ 1.38
18 69.1% Orcadian ( ) + 30.9% Gagauz ( ) @ 1.38
19 70.2% English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) + 29.8% Bosnian ( ) @ 1.38
20 92.6% Belgian ( ) + 7.4% Turk_Kayseri ( ) @ 1.38

For me it's a little off. I'm not in between my parents' values on the ancient populations,

Also, my mom comes up more English than my dad while he is more German than my mom; and it shows my mom being closer to Wales than my dad. Genealogically speaking the opposite is true for all these populations.

Vadim Verenich
09-16-2014, 01:40 PM
I've updated the Oracle populations (they are not on Gedmatch yet).
Please let me know if you'll mention some strange things.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6n7iMc2P-yQbC1QTHlBc29WWXM/edit?usp=sharing

Shaikorth
09-16-2014, 02:12 PM
Mainly to reduce clutter of oracle results, some averages could be dropped. The second Russian_North average is very similar to Russian_Meshtchyora and not so similar to the first Russian_North. It could be removed as redundant. Since there are many regional results of Britain, "British" is probably not that necessary either and of the two Finnish and two East Finnish averages, one of both could be left out. Spain has a sample for every region, so perhaps the unspecified "Spaniard" is not needed.

bol_nat
09-16-2014, 02:57 PM
Punjabi Lahore PJL

Population
Amerindian 0.37%
Ancestral_Altaic 2.04%
South_Central_Asian 29.40%
Arctic 0.51%
South_Indian 55.49%
Australoid 0.33% -
Austronesian 0.65%
Caucasian 3.33%
Archaic_Human 0.01%
East_African 0.07%
East_Siberian 0.38%
European_Early_Farmers 1.12%
Khoisan 0.02%

Vadim Verenich
09-16-2014, 03:22 PM
Intra-European perspective on K23b populations
http://s29.postimg.org/hgctzy66e/oraclepca.jpg

Dimanto
09-16-2014, 03:35 PM
I see, so that's the reason out results differ on some points. My mum is more closer to Danes so she pulls me somewhat more to the north. If your grandmother was fully North_Dutch, our results would've been more similar.


She has a lot of German ancestry through her maternal line. The unknown is the brick wall at my most distant maternal ancestor, not sure of her ancestry. When she married her first name in the record went from being Mary to "Polly" which is an English nickname for Mary. The married name became Heddens which seems to be British. Wise was her maiden name. I also have a surprising amount of Colonial cousins who report just Isles ancestry, which I would never suspect.

Otherwise men that married into this line, except up to my maternal grandfather, had been German. The line of Germans that had arrived in Colonial times I have found some of the wives had either been from Switzerland, Holland, or France.

Vadim Verenich
09-16-2014, 04:00 PM
New population averages have been loaded to Gedmatch K23b

MitchellSince1893
09-16-2014, 04:11 PM
New population averages have been loaded to Gedmatch K23bI'll post the new results later today.

Tįltos
09-16-2014, 05:08 PM
Okay here are my new ones, again :D .
Me
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 38.55
2 Caucasian 28.32
3 European_Early_Farmers 18.97
4 South_Central_Asian 5.27
5 Near_East 3.19
6 North_African 2.07
7 Ancestral_Altaic 2.06
8 Melano_Polynesian 1.00


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Austrian @ 4.205538
2 Hungarian_Budapest @ 4.917678
3 Hungarian @ 5.610407
4 Serb_Serbia @ 5.870380
5 Slovenian @ 6.000002
6 Serb_BH @ 6.448706
7 Croat @ 6.653334
8 Bosnian @ 6.826624
9 Czech @ 7.758526
10 Montenegrian @ 7.872633
11 German_East @ 8.268052
12 Croat_BH @ 8.358900
13 South_German @ 8.420541
14 German-Volga @ 8.793111
15 North_German @ 8.935125
16 Dutch @ 9.517721
17 Swede_Saami @ 10.342136
18 Dane @ 10.640312
19 Slovak @ 10.715922
20 Macedonian @ 10.758199

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Italian_North +50% Kashub @ 2.250912


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Kashub +25% Sicilian_West +25% South_German @ 1.458655


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Cretan + Frisian + Lithuanian + North_German @ 1.282929
2 Azov_Greek + Kashub + Latvian + Spanish_Cataluna_IBS @ 1.321136
3 Cretan + Kashub + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + Sorb @ 1.323877
4 Cretan + Irish + Lithuanian + North_German @ 1.339930
5 Cretan + Kashub + Kashub + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 1.356722
6 Azov_Greek + French + Lithuanian + North_German @ 1.403437
7 Belarusian + Greek_Smyrna + North_German + Norwegian_East @ 1.409549
8 Irish + Kashub + Sicilian_West + Ukrainian_East @ 1.410210
9 Azov_Greek + CEU + Lithuanian + South_German @ 1.415050
10 Azov_Greek + Latvian + Sorb + Spanish_Cataluna_IBS @ 1.428281
11 Cretan + Kashub + Orcadian + Sorb @ 1.428555
12 Greek_Smyrna + Lithuanian + North_European + North_German @ 1.441198
13 Belgian + Cretan + Lithuanian + North_German @ 1.442329
14 Bulgarian + Greek_Northwest + Lithuanian + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 1.443241
15 CEU + Cretan + Kashub + Kashub @ 1.447426
16 Irish + Kashub + Sicilian_West + Sorb @ 1.448155
17 British + Cretan + Kashub + Sorb @ 1.452047
18 Greek_Smyrna + Lithuanian + South_German + Swede @ 1.458301
19 Kashub + Kashub + Sicilian_West + South_German @ 1.458655
20 Azov_Greek + Lithuanian + South_German + Welsh @ 1.458747



My Mom
1 Caucasian 31.60
2 European_Hunters_Gatherers 24.32
3 European_Early_Farmers 23.26
4 South_Central_Asian 7.27
5 Near_East 7.17
6 North_African 3.19
7 Ancestral_Altaic 2.68


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Greek_Northwest @ 6.477971
2 Italian_North @ 6.684087
3 Kosovar @ 7.672656
4 Greek_Peloponnesos @ 8.872800
5 Greek_Thessaloniki @ 8.911039
6 Greek_Thessaly @ 8.981597
7 Bulgarian @ 9.098689
8 Albanian_Tirana @ 9.319180
9 Macedonian @ 10.888791
10 Central_Greek @ 11.585271
11 Romanian @ 11.759007
12 Gagauz @ 12.012490
13 Montenegrian @ 12.087309
14 Italian_Tuscan @ 12.647379
15 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain @ 13.282515
16 Italian_Piedmont @ 13.410294
17 Serb_Serbia @ 13.450717
18 Sicilian_West @ 13.571641
19 German-Volga @ 13.711750
20 Greek @ 14.006493

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Cretan +50% Dutch @ 1.471862


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Cretan +25% Dutch +25% English @ 0.950180


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Austrian + Cretan + Greek_Smyrna + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 0.874433
2 Croat + French + Iraqi_Chaldean + Italian_North @ 0.888906
3 Cretan + Cretan + Dutch + English @ 0.950180
4 Cretan + English + Greek_Smyrna + North_German @ 0.952774
5 Assyrian_Iraqi + Croat + French + Italian_North @ 0.965834
6 French + Iraqi_Chaldean + Italian_North + Serb_BH @ 0.975005
7 Austrian + Cretan + Greek_Smyrna + Orcadian @ 0.990618
8 Belgian + Iraqi_Chaldean + Italian_Bergamo + Serb_BH @ 1.009969
9 Croat + English_Kent_GBR + Iranian_Jew + Italian_Bergamo @ 1.016723
10 Croat_BH + Iraqi_Chaldean + Italian_Piedmont + Welsh @ 1.043798
11 Belgian + Croat + Iraqi_Chaldean + Italian_Bergamo @ 1.048085
12 Belgian + Bosnian + Iraqi_Chaldean + Italian_Bergamo @ 1.051479
13 CEU + Croat + Iraqi_Chaldean + Italian_Piedmont @ 1.058226
14 Croat + English + Iraqi_Chaldean + Italian_Bergamo @ 1.058493
15 British + Croat + Iraqi_Chaldean + Italian_Piedmont @ 1.063918
16 Assyrian_Iraqi + Italian_North + Kashub + Spanish_Baleares_IBS @ 1.071323
17 Iraqi_Chaldean + Serb_Serbia + Serb_Serbia + Spaniard @ 1.071542
18 Albanian_Tirana + Iraqi_Chaldean + Kashub + Spanish_Cataluna_IBS @ 1.072424
19 Bosnian + English + Iraqi_Chaldean + Italian_Bergamo @ 1.074603
20 Assyrian_Iraqi + Bosnian + French + Italian_North @ 1.075349

ZephyrousMandaru
09-16-2014, 05:10 PM
Thank you Vadim.




Oracle-4

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Assyrian_Iraqi @ 1.262910
2 Iraqi_Chaldean @ 3.829951
3 Jew_Tat @ 5.978452
4 Iraqi_Jew @ 6.468532
5 Iranian_Jew @ 6.589534
6 Kurd_Jew @ 6.990664
7 Uzbekistani_Jew @ 7.049000
8 Iraqi_Mandean @ 7.470135
9 Georgian_Jew @ 7.731777
10 Turk_Adana @ 8.038953
11 Turk_Kayseri @ 8.938130
12 Assyrian_Arzni @ 9.292991
13 Lebanese_Muslim @ 9.495876
14 Lebanese_Druze @ 9.736648
15 Armenian_Yerevan @ 10.691178
16 Armenian @ 10.876385
17 Lebanese @ 10.905150
18 Kurd_North @ 11.374497
19 Syrian_Jew @ 11.500642
20 Turk @ 12.097325

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Assyrian_Iraqi +50% Assyrian_Iraqi @ 1.262910


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Assyrian_Iraqi +25% Assyrian_Iraqi +25% Assyrian_Iraqi @ 1.262910


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Assyrian_Iraqi + Assyrian_Iraqi + Assyrian_Iraqi + Assyrian_Iraqi @ 1.262910
2 Assyrian_Iraqi + Assyrian_Iraqi + Assyrian_Iraqi + Iraqi_Chaldean @ 1.625488
3 Assyrian_Iraqi + Assyrian_Iraqi + Assyrian_Iraqi + Jew_Tat @ 2.182245
4 Assyrian_Iraqi + Assyrian_Iraqi + Assyrian_Iraqi + Iranian_Jew @ 2.258867
5 Assyrian_Iraqi + Assyrian_Iraqi + Assyrian_Iraqi + Iraqi_Jew @ 2.264428
6 Assyrian_Iraqi + Assyrian_Iraqi + Iraqi_Chaldean + Iraqi_Chaldean @ 2.290112
7 Assyrian_Iraqi + Assyrian_Iraqi + Assyrian_Iraqi + Uzbekistani_Jew @ 2.311378
8 Assyrian_Iraqi + Assyrian_Iraqi + Assyrian_Iraqi + Kurd_Jew @ 2.335155
9 Assyrian_Iraqi + Assyrian_Iraqi + Iraqi_Chaldean + Jew_Tat @ 2.349393
10 Assyrian_Iraqi + Assyrian_Iraqi + Assyrian_Iraqi + Iraqi_Mandean @ 2.365935
11 Assyrian_Iraqi + Cypriot + Iraqi_Jew + Kurd @ 2.516603
12 Assyrian_Iraqi + Assyrian_Iraqi + Cypriot + Kurd @ 2.523623
13 Assyrian_Iraqi + Assyrian_Iraqi + Assyrian_Iraqi + Turk_Adana @ 2.583222
14 Assyrian_Iraqi + Assyrian_Iraqi + Kurd + Lebanese_Christian @ 2.627274
15 Assyrian_Iraqi + Assyrian_Iraqi + Iraqi_Chaldean + Iraqi_Jew @ 2.649862
16 Assyrian_Iraqi + Cypriot + Iraqi_Chaldean + Kurd @ 2.700414
17 Assyrian_Iraqi + Assyrian_Iraqi + Christian_Arabs_Israel + Kurd @ 2.722684
18 Assyrian_Iraqi + Assyrian_Iraqi + Iraqi_Chaldean + Turk_Kayseri @ 2.724500
19 Assyrian_Iraqi + Assyrian_Iraqi + Assyrian_Iraqi + Georgian_Jew @ 2.725234
20 Assyrian_Iraqi + Assyrian_Iraqi + Kurd + Lebanese_Druze @ 2.732539

Vadim Verenich
09-16-2014, 05:17 PM
Using 3 populations approximation:

1 50% Kashub +25% Sicilian_West +25% South_German @ 1.458655

Well, these results make more sense now. Kashubs are West Slavs heavily admixed with Germans, but their Slavic heritage is exceptionally well pronounced in terms of autosomal genetics. I strongly suspect that among the modern populations Sorbs and Kashubs represent best 'ancestral Slavic genetic pool', that is why we can use non-German (non-West-European) part of their (and Sorbs') genomes to model the ancient Slavic genomes.

Vadim Verenich
09-16-2014, 05:24 PM
So what's your opinion of K23b?

David Mc
09-16-2014, 05:25 PM
I hadn't realised it had been updated. My ancestry is described in post #129. Again, the results still seem very accurate given my background. My new results are:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 36.76
2 European_Early_Farmers 28.79
3 Caucasian 19.98
4 South_Central_Asian 5.69
5 Ancestral_Altaic 5.03
6 North_African 1.56
7 Near_East 1.10


Oracle 4:

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 English @ 0.631160
2 North_European @ 1.771215
3 Belgian @ 2.628047
4 CEU @ 2.779213
5 Irish @ 2.937964
6 English_Kent_GBR @ 3.026626
7 Frisian @ 3.154094
8 English_Cornwall_GBR @ 3.657911
9 British @ 3.659890
10 Welsh @ 3.864782
11 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 4.718733
12 Dutch @ 5.305141
13 Orcadian @ 5.367737
14 South_German @ 6.027767
15 Norwegian_West @ 6.544431
16 Icelandic @ 6.698171
17 German-Volga @ 6.698930
18 Norwegian_East @ 6.888969
19 Dane @ 8.824760
20 North_German @ 9.107172

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% English +50% English @ 0.631160


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% English +25% English +25% English_Kent_GBR @ 0.629427


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 CEU + English + English + English @ 0.582602
2 English + English + English + English_Kent_GBR @ 0.629427
3 English + English + English + English @ 0.631160
4 Belgian + CEU + English + English @ 0.709604
5 English + English + English + North_European @ 0.717851
6 English + English + English_Kent_GBR + North_European @ 0.760775
7 English + English + English_Cornwall_GBR + North_European @ 0.765215
8 British + English + English + English @ 0.767913
9 Belgian + English + English + Welsh @ 0.798520
10 English + English + English + English_Cornwall_GBR @ 0.813374
11 Italian_North + Norwegian_West + Norwegian_West + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 0.858758
12 Belgian + English + English_Cornwall_GBR + North_European @ 0.859718
13 English + English + English + Welsh @ 0.860218
14 Belgian + British + English + English @ 0.865973
15 British + German-Volga + North_European + North_European @ 0.869678
16 Dutch + English + English_Kent_GBR + Welsh @ 0.870489
17 Italian_North + Norwegian_West + Norwegian_West + Orcadian @ 0.872812
18 German-Volga + North_European + North_European + Orcadian @ 0.877249
19 English_Kent_GBR + German-Volga + North_European + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 0.881638
20 English + German-Volga + North_European + Orcadian @ 0.888334

David Mc
09-16-2014, 05:27 PM
You've done great work here, Vadim. Very, very impressive.

Hok
09-16-2014, 05:32 PM
Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Dutch @ 3.735020
2 German-Volga @ 4.079302
3 South_German @ 4.487132
4 Frisian @ 5.564443
5 Belgian @ 5.707255
6 Austrian @ 6.632468
7 Irish @ 6.656518
8 English @ 6.860568
9 North_German @ 7.020999
10 Dane @ 7.599841
11 North_European @ 7.881336
12 Norwegian_East @ 8.498117
13 Swede @ 9.117012
14 German_East @ 9.199758
15 English_Kent_GBR @ 9.231746
16 Swede_Saami @ 9.558715
17 Serb_Serbia @ 9.697216
18 CEU @ 9.724961
19 English_Cornwall_GBR @ 10.007445
20 Hungarian @ 10.207141

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR +50% Serb_Serbia @ 2.590555


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Dutch +25% Frisian +25% Serb_Serbia @ 1.366076


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Dutch + Dutch + Frisian + Serb_Serbia @ 1.366076
2 Dutch + Dutch + Irish + Serb_Serbia @ 1.656556
3 Belgian + Dutch + Dutch + Serb_Serbia @ 1.682672
4 Dutch + Dutch + Dutch + Serb_Serbia @ 1.702733
5 Dutch + Dutch + Frisian + Montenegrian @ 1.709434
6 Bulgarian + Frisian + Frisian + Swede_Saami @ 1.768784
7 Dutch + Frisian + Frisian + Serb_Serbia @ 1.822690
8 Bulgarian + Dutch + Frisian + Swede @ 1.828923
9 Frisian + Frisian + Serb_Serbia + Swede_Saami @ 1.846343
10 Dutch + Dutch + English + Serb_Serbia @ 1.862515
11 Frisian + Frisian + Montenegrian + Swede_Saami @ 1.862789
12 Bulgarian + Dane + Dutch + Frisian @ 1.877246
13 Dutch + Frisian + German-Volga + Serb_Serbia @ 1.887621
14 Dane + Frisian + German-Volga + Serb_Serbia @ 1.889496
15 Dutch + Dutch + German-Volga + Serb_Serbia @ 1.896055
16 Frisian + Irish + Serb_Serbia + Swede_Saami @ 1.904757
17 Bosnian + Dutch + Frisian + Frisian @ 1.947908
18 Dutch + Frisian + Frisian + Serb_BH @ 1.950073
19 Bulgarian + Frisian + Frisian + Swede @ 1.959399
20 Frisian + Irish + Montenegrian + Swede_Saami @ 1.962116


Vadim, keep up the good work. Results are getting more and more accurate . However i am interested in the amount of South German samples. It looks like Southern Germans score higher European_Hunters_Gatherers than for example English people.

Rukha
09-16-2014, 05:35 PM
Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Afghan_Pushtun @ 6.022763
2 Pashtun_Afghani @ 6.598314
3 Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 7.877693
4 Pakistani_Pushtun @ 10.038360
5 Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan @ 10.918867
6 Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan @ 11.797170
7 Uzbek_Afghan @ 13.621663
8 Tajik_Afghan @ 14.289532
9 Pathan @ 15.131264
10 Tajik_Yagnobi @ 15.695024
11 Parsi @ 16.078205
12 Burusho @ 18.395235
13 Jatt_Haryana @ 19.676146
14 Jatt_Pahari @ 20.610188
15 Iranian @ 22.572412
16 Punjabi_Gujjar @ 22.696201
17 Sindhi @ 24.821438
18 Jatt_Muslim @ 25.668371
19 Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 25.870001
20 Mumbai_Jew @ 25.994358

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Pakistani_Pushtun +50% Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan @ 4.334452


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Pathan +25% Tabassaran +25% Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 3.331667


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Lak + Pakistani + Pashtun_Afghani + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 2.656694
2 Avar + Pakistani + Pashtun_Afghani + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 2.666752
3 Lezgin + Pakistani + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 2.681082
4 Avar + Pakistani + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 2.687110
5 Dargin_Urkarah + Pakistani + Pashtun_Afghani + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 2.696651
6 Jatt_Muslim + Lak + Pashtun_Afghani + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 2.722174
7 Avar + Jatt_Muslim + Pashtun_Afghani + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 2.733180
8 Lak + Pakistani_Pushtun + Punjabi_Gujjar + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 2.739902
9 Dargin_Urkarah + Jatt_Muslim + Pashtun_Afghani + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 2.741189
10 Pakistani + Tabassaran + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 2.753807
11 Lak + Pakistani + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 2.759923
12 Avar + Pakistani_Pushtun + Sindhi + Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan @ 2.779901
13 Avar + Pakistani_Pushtun + Sindhi + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 2.787189
14 Dargin_Urkarah + Pakistani_Pushtun + Sindhi + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 2.799762
15 Lak + Pakistani_Pushtun + Sindhi + Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan @ 2.800606
16 Dargin_Urkarah + Pakistani_Pushtun + Punjabi_Gujjar + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 2.809184
17 Avar + GujaratiA_GIH + Pashtun_Afghani + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 2.815036
18 Lak + Pakistani_Pushtun + Sindhi + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 2.819594
19 Dargin_Urkarah + Pakistani_Pushtun + Sindhi + Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan @ 2.825812
20 Jatt_Muslim + Lezgin + Pashtun_Afghani + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 2.826936

Bulut
09-16-2014, 05:36 PM
MDLP K23b Oracle Rev 2014 Sep 16

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 36.36
2 South_Central_Asian 14.29
3 European_Early_Farmers 11.53
4 European_Hunters_Gatherers 10.00
5 Near_East 8.98
6 Tungus-Altaic 3.50
7 East_Siberian 2.72
8 Ancestral_Altaic 2.48
9 South_East_Asian 1.90
10 Paleo_Siberian 1.89
11 Arctic 1.38
12 South_Indian 1.07
13 Archaic_African 1.06


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Turk_Aydin @ 5.002108
2 Turk_Balikesir @ 6.713598
3 Turk_Istanbul @ 6.793200
4 Turk @ 7.329130
5 Turk_Adana @ 9.655854
6 Turk_Kayseri @ 9.984498
7 Azov_Greek @ 11.072625
8 Georgian_Jew @ 12.691505
9 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain @ 12.793129
10 Crimean_Tatar_Coast @ 13.972654
11 Cretan @ 14.108492
12 Azeri @ 14.575354
13 Kurd_North @ 14.647933
14 Cirkassian @ 14.852745
15 Uzbek_Tashkent @ 15.036784
16 Greek_Smyrna @ 15.177227
17 Stalskoe_Kumyk @ 15.479873
18 Syrian_Jew @ 15.759640
19 Kurd_South @ 16.151497
20 Assyrian_Iraqi @ 16.176567

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Turk_Aydin +50% Turk_Aydin @ 5.002108


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek +25% Turkmen_Uzbekistan +25% Uzbek_Tashkent @ 3.224803


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Greek_Thessaly + Turk_Istanbul + Turkmen_Uzbekistan + Uzbekistani_Jew @ 2.806756
2 Albanian_Tirana + Turk_Istanbul + Turkmen_Uzbekistan + Uzbekistani_Jew @ 2.853186
3 Georgian_Jew + Greek_Northwest + Turk + Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 2.859853
4 Georgian_Jew + Greek_Thessaly + Turk + Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 2.881054
5 Kosovar + Kurd_Jew + Turk_Istanbul + Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 2.890584
6 Assyrian_Iraqi + Macedonian + Turk_Kayseri + Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 2.898167
7 Gagauz + Greek_Smyrna + Turkmen_Uzbekistan + Uzbek_Tashkent @ 2.899895
8 Assyrian_Iraqi + Bulgarian + Turk_Kayseri + Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 2.899987
9 Greek_Northwest + Jew_Tat + Turk_Istanbul + Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 2.908955
10 Albanian_Tirana + Kurd_Jew + Turk_Istanbul + Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 2.917325
11 Kosovar + Turk + Turkmen_Uzbekistan + Uzbekistani_Jew @ 2.921222
12 Albanian_Tirana + Georgian_Jew + Turk + Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 2.926397
13 Greek_Northwest + Kurd_Jew + Turk_Istanbul + Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 2.930249
14 Azov_Greek + Greek + Turkmen_Uzbekistan + Uzbek_Tashkent @ 2.932072
15 Azov_Greek + Greek_Phokaia + Turkmen_Uzbekistan + Uzbek_Tashkent @ 2.933791
16 Greek_Peloponnesos + Turk_Istanbul + Turkmen_Uzbekistan + Uzbekistani_Jew @ 2.934199
17 Greek_Thessaly + Kurd_Jew + Turk_Istanbul + Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 2.934891
18 Assyrian_Iraqi + Gagauz + Turk + Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 2.941844
19 Iraqi_Jew + Italian_Piedmont + Kabardin + Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 2.950945
20 Iraqi_Jew + Italian_Tuscan + Kabardin + Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 2.953287

Vadim Verenich
09-16-2014, 05:41 PM
results


Vadim, keep up the good work. Results are getting more and more accurate . However i am interested in the amount of South German samples.

Hok, the group South_Germans (n=40) is still the most over-represented Germanic group in my calculator, and that's the reason why so many people got them in their Oracle and Oracle-4 results. On other hand, German-Volga is very good proxy for western Germans (Alsatians, Palatinatians and Germans from Baden, Bavaria, Hesse, Württemberg), as well as for the Mennonite, Hutterite and Amish people in USA. I am not so surprised to see them appearing on the regular basis in the results of Colonial Americans

Dimanto
09-16-2014, 05:45 PM
4-oracle gives this now (2 populations app. is the same):


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 30.44
2 European_Early_Farmers 27.71
3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 23.63
4 South_Central_Asian 7.36
5 Near_East 4.61
6 North_African 2.91
7 Ancestral_Altaic 2.61


The 1 population app. is way more realistic now ! ;)


Using 1 population approximation:
1 Italian_North @ 3.729554
2 Greek_Northwest @ 7.781856
3 Kosovar @ 8.080751
4 Italian_Tuscan @ 9.959564
5 Italian_Piedmont @ 10.027871
6 Albanian_Tirana @ 10.791527
7 Greek_Thessaly @ 10.903767
8 Greek_Thessaloniki @ 11.385188
9 Greek_Peloponnesos @ 11.466458
10 Italian_Bergamo @ 11.823661
11 Bulgarian @ 12.162130
12 German-Volga @ 13.106400
13 Central_Greek @ 13.476031
14 Italian_Abruzzo @ 13.817708
15 Macedonian @ 14.056849
16 Montenegrian @ 14.619112
17 Sicilian_West @ 14.632180
18 Romanian @ 14.836094
19 Sicilian_Trapani @ 15.232361
20 Serb_Serbia @ 15.315071


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Italian_South +50% Welsh @ 2.495148

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% South_German +25% Spanish_Aragon_IBS +25% Turk_Trabzon @ 1.559721


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Armenian_Yerevan + Dutch + Kashub + Sardinian @ 0.962620
2 Armenian + Croat_BH + French + Spanish_Aragon_IBS @ 0.971659
3 Armenian + Bosnian + French + Spanish_Cantabria_IBS @ 0.993497
4 Armenian_Yerevan + Belarusian-East + Irish + Sardinian @ 1.015000
5 Armenian + Belarusian-East + Irish + Sardinian @ 1.018618
6 Armenian + Croat_BH + French + Spanish_Cantabria_IBS @ 1.026075
7 Armenian + Belarusian-East + English + Sardinian @ 1.064788
8 Armenian_Yerevan + Belarusian-East + English + Sardinian @ 1.067484
9 Armenian + English + Russian_South + Sardinian @ 1.086512
10 Armenian + Croat_BH + French + Spanish_Valencia_IBS @ 1.095175
11 Armenian + Irish + Russian_South + Sardinian @ 1.099163
12 Armenian + Croat_BH + French + Spanish_Castilla_la_Mancha_IBS @ 1.103588
13 English + South_German + Spanish_Andalucia_IBS + Turk_Trabzon @ 1.104658
14 Armenian_Yerevan + Belarusian-East + Frisian + Sardinian @ 1.108091
15 Armenian + Croat + French + Spanish_Cantabria_IBS @ 1.109488
16 Armenian + Belarusian-East + Frisian + Sardinian @ 1.113285
17 Armenian + Bosnian + French + Spanish_Aragon_IBS @ 1.127695
18 Armenian + Frisian + Russian_South + Sardinian @ 1.132373
19 Armenian + Kashub + Spanish_Baleares_IBS + Spanish_Valencia_IBS @ 1.148214
20 Armenian + Italian_Bergamo + Kashub + Spanish_Aragon_IBS @ 1.148232

Vadim Verenich
09-16-2014, 05:47 PM
Use Oracle-4

Dimanto
09-16-2014, 05:48 PM
Why is the 4-oracle is using Welsh for my Dutch side and Dutch for Taltos her mum while she's primarily German/Calabrian ?


Use Oracle-4

Vadim Verenich
09-16-2014, 05:52 PM
I have no clue, probably Welsh population of my dataset is more diverse than this one of Dutchmen.

jesus
09-16-2014, 05:56 PM
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Iranian @ 4.570750
2 Kurd_South @ 11.337222
3 Kurd_East @ 12.248892
4 Parsi @ 12.563982
5 Ain_Touta_WGA @ 14.667853
6 Kurd @ 14.880741
7 Kurd_North @ 14.928758
8 Azeri @ 15.720024
9 Iraki @ 15.739983
10 Baku_WGA @ 17.497992
11 Uzbek_Tashkent @ 17.788282
12 Iraqi_Mandean @ 18.101841
13 Uzbekistani_Jew @ 18.613642
14 Turk_Adana @ 18.850082
15 Kurd_Jew @ 19.336014
16 Iraqi_Chaldean @ 19.966080
17 Afghan_Pushtun @ 20.141237
18 Tajik_Afghan @ 20.347555
19 Uzbek_Afghan @ 20.492311
20 Iranian_Jew @ 20.712000

Dimanto
09-16-2014, 05:57 PM
I'd love it to get Dutch or Frisian instead of Welsh :D But it is what it is..

I have no clue, probably Welsh population of my dataset is more diverse than this one of Dutchmen.

parasar
09-16-2014, 06:02 PM
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 South_Indian 42.23
2 South_Central_Asian 29.99
3 Caucasian 8.71
4 European_Hunters_Gatherers 8.26
5 Ancestral_Altaic 3.54
6 Australoid 1.46
7 Arctic 1.43
8 Near_East 1.3
9 Amerindian 1.23
10 Melano_Polynesian 0.61
11 Austronesian 0.61
12 North_African 0.53
13 Archaic_Human 0.06
14 East_Siberian 0.05

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Tiwari @ 4.175103
2 Hindi @ 5.992663
3 Jatt_Muslim @ 7.124459
4 GujaratiB_GIH @ 7.600231
5 Vaish @ 7.720152
6 Marathi @ 8.515666
7 Kshatriya @ 8.809934
8 Brahmin_Tamil @ 9.462701
9 Brahmins_UP @ 9.879096
10 GujaratiA_GIH @ 10.300903
11 Pakistani @ 10.582308
12 Jatt_Haryana @ 11.365905
13 TN_Brahmin @ 11.652486
14 Jatt_Pahari @ 12.442836
15 Meghawal @ 13.382218
16 GujaratiC_GIH @ 14.037066
17 Cochin_Jew @ 14.439848
18 Telugu_Kannada @ 15.172553
19 Bengali @ 15.263841
20 Mumbai_Jew @ 15.356791

Jatt Muslim at #3 is a little surprising as I would have thought western UP rajputs (Kshatriya) and Brahmins_UP would have been closer.

parasar
09-16-2014, 06:04 PM
Punjabi Lahore PJL

Population
Amerindian 0.37%
Ancestral_Altaic 2.04%
South_Central_Asian 29.40%
Arctic 0.51%
South_Indian 55.49%
Australoid 0.33% -
Austronesian 0.65%
Caucasian 3.33%
Archaic_Human 0.01%
East_African 0.07%
East_Siberian 0.38%
European_Early_Farmers 1.12%
Khoisan 0.02%

Is this one PJL sample or a composite of all PJL samples?

Dimanto
09-16-2014, 06:06 PM
I've seen you've used some Frisian samples ! You used one of mine too ?
There can never be much difference between a North_Dutch and Frisian, but still very cool that you made a different grouping for them ;)


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 39.35
2 European_Early_Farmers 25.49
3 Caucasian 21.49
4 South_Central_Asian 7.54
5 Ancestral_Altaic 5.26


Using 1 population approximation:
1 Dutch @ 2.114829
2 Frisian @ 3.968199
3 Irish @ 4.239724
4 English @ 4.863229
5 Belgian @ 4.985236
6 North_European @ 5.149035
7 Norwegian_East @ 5.240964
8 Dane @ 5.815103
9 South_German @ 5.830011
10 North_German @ 5.943908
11 Icelandic @ 6.226542
12 Norwegian_West @ 6.532268
13 CEU @ 6.829276
14 Swede @ 6.854813
15 German-Volga @ 7.112473
16 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 7.182804
17 English_Kent_GBR @ 7.421786
18 British @ 7.445925
19 English_Cornwall_GBR @ 7.999592
20 Welsh @ 8.242067

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Dutch +50% Dutch @ 2.114829

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Dutch + Irish + Irish + Swede_Saami @ 1.633314
2 Frisian + Irish + Irish + Swede_Saami @ 1.637045
3 Dutch + Frisian + Irish + Swede_Saami @ 1.665049
4 Frisian + Frisian + Irish + Swede_Saami @ 1.721698
5 Dutch + Frisian + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + Swede_Saami @ 1.776241
6 Irish + Irish + Irish + Swede_Saami @ 1.797781
7 Dane + Dutch + Irish + Irish @ 1.836342
8 Dutch + Dutch + Dutch + Irish @ 1.839324
9 British + Dutch + Irish + Swede_Saami @ 1.854586
10 Dane + Dutch + Frisian + Irish @ 1.885772
11 Dutch + Irish + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + Swede_Saami @ 1.885974
12 Dane + Dutch + Dutch + Irish @ 1.891696
13 Dutch + Dutch + Irish + Norwegian_East @ 1.900921
14 Dutch + Dutch + Dutch + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 1.908570
15 Dutch + Irish + Irish + Swede @ 1.909371
16 CEU + Dutch + Frisian + Swede_Saami @ 1.911835
17 British + Dutch + Frisian + Swede_Saami @ 1.913548
18 CEU + Dutch + Irish + Swede_Saami @ 1.914621
19 Dutch + Frisian + Frisian + Swede_Saami @ 1.935950
20 German + Irish + Irish + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 1.936388

Vadim Verenich
09-16-2014, 06:08 PM
I've seen you've used some Frisian samples ! You used one of mine too ?

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 39.35
2 European_Early_Farmers 25.49
3 Caucasian 21.49
4 South_Central_Asian 7.54
5 Ancestral_Altaic 5.26


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Dutch @ 2.114829
2 Frisian @ 3.968199
3 Irish @ 4.239724
4 English @ 4.863229
5 Belgian @ 4.985236
6 North_European @ 5.149035
7 Norwegian_East @ 5.240964
8 Dane @ 5.815103
9 South_German @ 5.830011
10 North_German @ 5.943908
11 Icelandic @ 6.226542
12 Norwegian_West @ 6.532268
13 CEU @ 6.829276
14 Swede @ 6.854813
15 German-Volga @ 7.112473
16 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 7.182804
17 English_Kent_GBR @ 7.421786
18 British @ 7.445925
19 English_Cornwall_GBR @ 7.999592
20 Welsh @ 8.242067

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Dutch +50% Dutch @ 2.114829

Yes, that is why he got Dutch+Dutch

Vadim Verenich
09-16-2014, 06:09 PM
Is this one PJL sample or a composite of all PJL samples?

No, just a couple of PJL samples

Vadim Verenich
09-16-2014, 06:15 PM
It is apparent from the results i've seen so far that beta of K23 > MDLP World K22

CelticGerman
09-16-2014, 06:21 PM
My known ancestry is around 70% North German, regions where Dutch and Flemings settled too. I have some Northfrisian ancestry as well. I really don't understand why I should be closer to South Germans than to North Germans, for they represent a minority of my ancestry.

MDLP K23b Oracle Rev 2014 Sep 16

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 39.58
2 European_Early_Farmers 25.57
3 Caucasian 24.23
4 South_Central_Asian 5.18
5 Ancestral_Altaic 4.84

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Dutch @ 2.993388
2 South_German @ 4.111004
3 Frisian @ 4.339392
4 Belgian @ 4.618856
5 North_German @ 5.344902
6 Irish @ 5.889948
7 English @ 6.011197
8 German-Volga @ 6.017241
9 Dane @ 6.042598
10 Norwegian_East @ 6.359164
11 North_European @ 6.484993
12 Austrian @ 6.987249
13 Swede @ 7.119770
14 English_Kent_GBR @ 8.023614
15 Norwegian_West @ 8.038498
16 CEU @ 8.396665
17 Icelandic @ 8.597850
18 British @ 8.925615
19 English_Cornwall_GBR @ 9.190675
20 Swede_Saami @ 9.248085

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Austrian +50% Frisian @ 2.329782


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Frisian +25% Frisian +25% Slovenian @ 1.327894


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Frisian + Frisian + Frisian + Slovenian @ 1.327894
2 Frisian + Frisian + Frisian + Slovak @ 1.371515
3 Czech + Frisian + Frisian + Frisian @ 1.378057
4 Frisian + Frisian + Frisian + Hungarian @ 1.380642
5 Dutch + Frisian + Frisian + Slovenian @ 1.473575
6 Bosnian + Frisian + Frisian + Norwegian_West @ 1.497139
7 Croat + Frisian + Frisian + Norwegian_West @ 1.505570
8 Dutch + Frisian + Frisian + Hungarian @ 1.507104
9 Croat_BH + Frisian + Frisian + Norwegian_West @ 1.527560
10 Frisian + Frisian + Serb_Serbia + Swede @ 1.534397
11 Frisian + Frisian + Frisian + Hungarian_Budapest @ 1.542325
12 Frisian + Frisian + Norwegian_West + Serb_BH @ 1.549863
13 English_Cornwall_GBR + Frisian + Frisian + Ukrainian_West @ 1.571786
14 French + Frisian + Frisian + Ukrainian_East @ 1.578079
15 English_Kent_GBR + Frisian + Frisian + Ukrainian_West @ 1.592607
16 Belgian + Frisian + Frisian + Slovenian @ 1.603569
17 Croat + Frisian + Frisian + Icelandic @ 1.638357
18 Belgian + Czech + Frisian + Frisian @ 1.644426
19 Belgian + Frisian + Frisian + Hungarian @ 1.648161
20 Belarusian-East + French + Frisian + Frisian @ 1.651731

Vadim Verenich
09-16-2014, 06:23 PM
My known ancestry is around 70% North German, regions were Dutch and Flemings settled too. I have some Northfrisian ancestry as well. I really don't understand why I should be closer to South Germans than to North Germans, for they represent a minority of my ancestry.

MDLP K23b Oracle Rev 2014 Sep 16

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 39.58
2 European_Early_Farmers 25.57
3 Caucasian 24.23
4 South_Central_Asian 5.18
5 Ancestral_Altaic 4.84




Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Dutch @ 2.993388
2 South_German @ 4.111004
3 Frisian @ 4.339392
4 Belgian @ 4.618856
5 North_German @ 5.344902
6 Irish @ 5.889948
7 English @ 6.011197
8 German-Volga @ 6.017241
9 Dane @ 6.042598
10 Norwegian_East @ 6.359164
11 North_European @ 6.484993
12 Austrian @ 6.987249
13 Swede @ 7.119770
14 English_Kent_GBR @ 8.023614
15 Norwegian_West @ 8.038498
16 CEU @ 8.396665
17 Icelandic @ 8.597850
18 British @ 8.925615
19 English_Cornwall_GBR @ 9.190675
20 Swede_Saami @ 9.248085

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Austrian +50% Frisian @ 2.329782

I explained the reason of "Southern German excess" earlier in this thread.

Scarlet Ibis
09-16-2014, 06:23 PM
I'll post my results in a moment, but I just have a quick question: What does the "ML" in "Japan_ML" mean?

Vadim Verenich
09-16-2014, 06:25 PM
ML indicates the Panasian dataset, i.e Japanese from the Panasian dataset.

Dimanto
09-16-2014, 06:26 PM
You're also North_Dutch ?





Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Dutch @ 3.735020
2 German-Volga @ 4.079302
3 South_German @ 4.487132
4 Frisian @ 5.564443
5 Belgian @ 5.707255
6 Austrian @ 6.632468
7 Irish @ 6.656518
8 English @ 6.860568
9 North_German @ 7.020999
10 Dane @ 7.599841
11 North_European @ 7.881336
12 Norwegian_East @ 8.498117
13 Swede @ 9.117012
14 German_East @ 9.199758
15 English_Kent_GBR @ 9.231746
16 Swede_Saami @ 9.558715
17 Serb_Serbia @ 9.697216
18 CEU @ 9.724961
19 English_Cornwall_GBR @ 10.007445
20 Hungarian @ 10.207141

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR +50% Serb_Serbia @ 2.590555


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Dutch +25% Frisian +25% Serb_Serbia @ 1.366076


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Dutch + Dutch + Frisian + Serb_Serbia @ 1.366076
2 Dutch + Dutch + Irish + Serb_Serbia @ 1.656556
3 Belgian + Dutch + Dutch + Serb_Serbia @ 1.682672
4 Dutch + Dutch + Dutch + Serb_Serbia @ 1.702733
5 Dutch + Dutch + Frisian + Montenegrian @ 1.709434
6 Bulgarian + Frisian + Frisian + Swede_Saami @ 1.768784
7 Dutch + Frisian + Frisian + Serb_Serbia @ 1.822690
8 Bulgarian + Dutch + Frisian + Swede @ 1.828923
9 Frisian + Frisian + Serb_Serbia + Swede_Saami @ 1.846343
10 Dutch + Dutch + English + Serb_Serbia @ 1.862515
11 Frisian + Frisian + Montenegrian + Swede_Saami @ 1.862789
12 Bulgarian + Dane + Dutch + Frisian @ 1.877246
13 Dutch + Frisian + German-Volga + Serb_Serbia @ 1.887621
14 Dane + Frisian + German-Volga + Serb_Serbia @ 1.889496
15 Dutch + Dutch + German-Volga + Serb_Serbia @ 1.896055
16 Frisian + Irish + Serb_Serbia + Swede_Saami @ 1.904757
17 Bosnian + Dutch + Frisian + Frisian @ 1.947908
18 Dutch + Frisian + Frisian + Serb_BH @ 1.950073
19 Bulgarian + Frisian + Frisian + Swede @ 1.959399
20 Frisian + Irish + Montenegrian + Swede_Saami @ 1.962116


Vadim, keep up the good work. Results are getting more and more accurate . However i am interested in the amount of South German samples. It looks like Southern Germans score higher European_Hunters_Gatherers than for example English people.

Scarlet Ibis
09-16-2014, 06:38 PM
Ok, here we go for Oracle-4 on gedmatch:

My results:

# Population Percent
1 Tungus-Altaic 20.54
2 South_East_Asian 19.12
3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 19.03
4 European_Early_Farmers 13.48
5 Caucasian 10.99
6 Austronesian 8.94
7 East_Siberian 2.25
8 Ancestral_Altaic 2.03
9 South_Central_Asian 1.79
10 Amerindian 1.17

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Kazahs @ 22.565813
2 Uygur-Han @ 23.337976
3 Karakalpak @ 23.868389
4 Uygur @ 24.438337
5 Crimean_Tatar_Step @ 26.287729
6 Kazakh @ 26.608021
7 Tatar_Lithuania @ 27.042587
8 Uzbek @ 27.208723
9 Tatar-Lithuanian @ 28.003368
10 Tatar-Siberian @ 28.352261
11 Hazara @ 28.352961
12 Kyrgyz_Bishkek @ 28.430723
13 Tajik_Tajikistan @ 29.207855
14 Turkmen_Afghan @ 30.151922
15 Bashkir @ 30.991407
16 Kyrgyz @ 31.323038
17 Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 31.918051
18 Tatar-Kazan @ 32.826958
19 Spiti @ 33.041748
20 Tatar-Mishar @ 33.204384

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Belgian +50% Japanese_ML @ 2.797629


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Belgian +25% Japanese_ML +25% Korean_KR @ 2.419807


Using 4 populations approximation:
None given


My father's:

Using 1 population approximation:
1 North_German @ 3.855969
2 Dutch @ 3.977641
3 South_German @ 4.450273
4 Dane @ 4.648404
5 Belgian @ 5.584352
6 Swede @ 5.636129
7 Norwegian_East @ 5.675932
8 Austrian @ 5.683594
9 Frisian @ 6.060522
10 English @ 7.038421
11 North_European @ 7.109089
12 German-Volga @ 7.121614
13 Irish @ 7.507681
14 Norwegian_West @ 7.659250
15 Swede_Saami @ 8.321061
16 Icelandic @ 8.465803
17 English_Kent_GBR @ 9.045865
18 Hungarian @ 9.112267
19 CEU @ 9.296897
20 Slovenian @ 9.499951

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% British +50% Hungarian @ 1.786336


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Belgian +25% Belgian +25% Kashub @ 1.189402


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Belgian + Belgian + Belgian + Kashub @ 1.189402
2 Belgian + Belgian + English_Kent_GBR + Ukrainian_Center @ 1.256683
3 Belgian + French + Frisian + Pole @ 1.261554
4 Belgian + English_Kent_GBR + Frisian + Ukrainian_Center @ 1.261673
5 Croat + Frisian + Norwegian_West + Swede @ 1.265692
6 Belgian + Belgian + Frisian + Kashub @ 1.272064
7 Frisian + Norwegian_West + Serb_BH + Swede @ 1.306958
8 Belgian + Frisian + Slovenian + Swede @ 1.319625
9 Belarusian_West + Belgian + Belgian + English_Kent_GBR @ 1.322361
10 Belgian + Belgian + English_Kent_GBR + Ukrainian_East @ 1.323371
11 Croat_BH + English_Kent_GBR + Frisian + Swede @ 1.338031
12 Belgian + British + Croat_BH + Swede @ 1.338786
13 Belgian + English_Kent_GBR + Frisian + Ukrainian_East @ 1.346537
14 Belgian + English_Kent_GBR + English_Kent_GBR + Ukrainian_East @ 1.353223
15 French + Frisian + Frisian + Pole @ 1.361087
16 Belgian + Norwegian_West + Serb_BH + Swede @ 1.369845
17 Belgian + Croat + Norwegian_West + Swede @ 1.371456
18 Belgian + Frisian + Hungarian + Swede @ 1.379025
19 British + Croat_BH + Frisian + Swede @ 1.381399
20 Belgian + Belgian + Slovenian + Swede @ 1.386963


My mother's:


# Population Percent
1 South_East_Asian 40.18
2 Tungus-Altaic 39.92
3 Austronesian 18.45
4 East_Siberian 1.45

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Korean @ 2.838958
2 Korean_KR @ 3.221809
3 Japanese_ML @ 5.628789
4 Ryukyuan @ 9.342182
5 Japanese @ 11.756140
6 Xibo @ 13.277757
7 Han_North @ 15.911826
8 Han-Mandarin @ 15.980657
9 Mongola_China @ 16.031801
10 Tu @ 17.354843
11 Mongolian_QH @ 22.316345
12 Hezhen @ 24.145733
13 Hakka @ 25.246672
14 Daur @ 25.299137
15 Chinese_Taiwan @ 25.585146
16 Mongol_Khalkha @ 25.943672
17 Han_Singapore @ 27.210241
18 Tujia @ 27.745304
19 Jinuo @ 28.099882
20 Tibetian_Madou @ 29.349319

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Korean +50% Korean_KR @ 1.257650


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Korean +25% Korean_KR +25% Korean_KR @ 1.257650


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Han-Mandarin + Japanese + Korean + Korean @ 1.210988
2 Korean + Korean + Korean_KR + Korean_KR @ 1.257650
3 Han_North + Japanese + Japanese_ML + Korean_KR @ 1.581962
4 Korean + Korean + Korean + Korean_KR @ 1.712285
5 Japanese_ML + Korean + Korean + Korean_KR @ 1.720371
6 Japanese_ML + Korean + Korean_KR + Korean_KR @ 1.829130
7 Han-Mandarin + Han_North + Japanese + Japanese @ 1.900782
8 Han_North + Japanese + Japanese_ML + Korean @ 2.033404
9 Korean + Korean_KR + Korean_KR + Korean_KR @ 2.033902
10 Japanese + Korean + Tujia + Xibo @ 2.059960
11 Japanese + Japanese + Korean + Tujia @ 2.069158
12 Han_North + Japanese + Korean_KR + Ryukyuan @ 2.100472
13 Han_North + Japanese + Korean + Korean_KR @ 2.123164
14 Han_North + Japanese + Japanese + Korean_KR @ 2.166077
15 Japanese + Japanese + Miao + Xibo @ 2.172876
16 Japanese + Japanese + Tujia + Xibo @ 2.199474
17 Han-Mandarin + Japanese + Korean + Korean_KR @ 2.203486
18 Han_North + Japanese + Korean_KR + Korean_KR @ 2.228298
19 Han_North + Japanese + Korean + Ryukyuan @ 2.241133
20 Japanese + Japanese + Jinuo + Korean @ 2.248952

Hok
09-16-2014, 06:40 PM
You're also North_Dutch ?

A mix of Western and Northern Dutch.:p

vettor
09-16-2014, 06:41 PM
My known ancestry is around 70% North German, regions where Dutch and Flemings settled too. I have some Northfrisian ancestry as well. I really don't understand why I should be closer to South Germans than to North Germans, for they represent a minority of my ancestry.

MDLP K23b Oracle Rev 2014 Sep 16

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 39.58
2 European_Early_Farmers 25.57
3 Caucasian 24.23
4 South_Central_Asian 5.18
5 Ancestral_Altaic 4.84

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Dutch @ 2.993388
2 South_German @ 4.111004
3 Frisian @ 4.339392
4 Belgian @ 4.618856
5 North_German @ 5.344902
6 Irish @ 5.889948
7 English @ 6.011197
8 German-Volga @ 6.017241
9 Dane @ 6.042598
10 Norwegian_East @ 6.359164
11 North_European @ 6.484993
12 Austrian @ 6.987249
13 Swede @ 7.119770
14 English_Kent_GBR @ 8.023614
15 Norwegian_West @ 8.038498
16 CEU @ 8.396665
17 Icelandic @ 8.597850
18 British @ 8.925615
19 English_Cornwall_GBR @ 9.190675
20 Swede_Saami @ 9.248085

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Austrian +50% Frisian @ 2.329782


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Frisian +25% Frisian +25% Slovenian @ 1.327894


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Frisian + Frisian + Frisian + Slovenian @ 1.327894
2 Frisian + Frisian + Frisian + Slovak @ 1.371515
3 Czech + Frisian + Frisian + Frisian @ 1.378057
4 Frisian + Frisian + Frisian + Hungarian @ 1.380642
5 Dutch + Frisian + Frisian + Slovenian @ 1.473575
6 Bosnian + Frisian + Frisian + Norwegian_West @ 1.497139
7 Croat + Frisian + Frisian + Norwegian_West @ 1.505570
8 Dutch + Frisian + Frisian + Hungarian @ 1.507104
9 Croat_BH + Frisian + Frisian + Norwegian_West @ 1.527560
10 Frisian + Frisian + Serb_Serbia + Swede @ 1.534397
11 Frisian + Frisian + Frisian + Hungarian_Budapest @ 1.542325
12 Frisian + Frisian + Norwegian_West + Serb_BH @ 1.549863
13 English_Cornwall_GBR + Frisian + Frisian + Ukrainian_West @ 1.571786
14 French + Frisian + Frisian + Ukrainian_East @ 1.578079
15 English_Kent_GBR + Frisian + Frisian + Ukrainian_West @ 1.592607
16 Belgian + Frisian + Frisian + Slovenian @ 1.603569
17 Croat + Frisian + Frisian + Icelandic @ 1.638357
18 Belgian + Czech + Frisian + Frisian @ 1.644426
19 Belgian + Frisian + Frisian + Hungarian @ 1.648161
20 Belarusian-East + French + Frisian + Frisian @ 1.651731

Dutch are old-germanic people ( northern germanic ) .........same with frisians who ranged/lived from denmark to netherlands along the coast

Dimanto
09-16-2014, 06:43 PM
What do you think about the study done on Welsh people:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-18489735

Maybe you should use only North_Welsh samples and discard the other ''Welsh'' samples based on this article :p


Use Oracle-4

Dimanto
09-16-2014, 06:44 PM
I've seen this ''South-German'' problem before with someone from Groningen. But that was with the previous version, I'll check again later tonight with this version. But only when more than 5 samples behave like this there is a problem, because she could be an outlier right ?


Dutch are old-germanic people ( northern germanic ) .........same with frisians who ranged/lived from denmark to netherlands along the coast

Dimanto
09-16-2014, 06:51 PM
Zal ook niet gek veel verschil in zitten lijkt mij, behalve misschien als je een grootouder uit Limburg of Zeeland zou hebben.


A mix of Western and Northern Dutch.:p

vettor
09-16-2014, 06:53 PM
I've seen this ''South-German'' problem before with someone from Groningen. But that was with the previous version, I'll check again later tonight with this version. But only when more than 5 samples behave like this there is a problem, because she could be an outlier right ?

South_Germans are not germans. southern Germany only became germanic after the fall of the Roman empire , I doubt very much that the original bavarians ( who created Austria in 998AD ) where germanic people in the ancient times.

My guess is that they represent danubian culture in some form, a mix of celtic with alpine peoples

Dr_McNinja
09-16-2014, 06:54 PM
The Oracle doesn't work for me. It just shows my admixture results and doesn't display any population results. I have no idea why. I was using my FTDNA FF raw data. I'll try 23andMe raw data when it frees up again.

EDIT: Ah, only Oracle-4.

Vadim: Can you release the Oracle files for use with R?

Tįltos
09-16-2014, 06:57 PM
Using 3 populations approximation:

1 50% Kashub +25% Sicilian_West +25% South_German @ 1.458655


Well, these results make more sense now. Kashubs are West Slavs heavily admixed with Germans, but their Slavic heritage is exceptionally well pronounced in terms of autosomal genetics. I strongly suspect that among the modern populations Sorbs and Kashubs represent best 'ancestral Slavic genetic pool', that is why we can use non-German (non-West-European) part of their (and Sorbs') genomes to model the ancient Slavic genomes.
Vadim,
Thank you very much for your insight.

Humanist
09-16-2014, 07:01 PM
Thank you Vadim.

Oracle-4

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Assyrian_Iraqi @ 1.262910
2 Iraqi_Chaldean @ 3.829951
3 Jew_Tat @ 5.978452
4 Iraqi_Jew @ 6.468532
5 Iranian_Jew @ 6.589534
6 Kurd_Jew @ 6.990664
7 Uzbekistani_Jew @ 7.049000
8 Iraqi_Mandean @ 7.470135
9 Georgian_Jew @ 7.731777
10 Turk_Adana @ 8.038953
11 Turk_Kayseri @ 8.938130
12 Assyrian_Arzni @ 9.292991 <---
13 Lebanese_Muslim @ 9.495876
14 Lebanese_Druze @ 9.736648
15 Armenian_Yerevan @ 10.691178
16 Armenian @ 10.876385
17 Lebanese @ 10.905150
18 Kurd_North @ 11.374497
19 Syrian_Jew @ 11.500642
20 Turk @ 12.097325

The 5 Assyrian samples from Arzni, Armenia look like Armenians. Perhaps they are a quarter Assyrian? At most half? How else can one explain their values? Would be interested in seeing an IBD segment analysis of these five samples and Armenians. I reckon we would find very significant IBD sharing.


Armenian 0.15 1.27 18.49 0.09 0.46 0.13 0.10 52.13 0.02 0.26 0.08 8.34 0.34 0.58 0.03 11.96 2.03 0.08 0.10 0.08 0.03 0.08 3.15
Armen_Yerevan 0.16 1.97 18.61 0.17 0.63 0.55 0.11 52.13 0.12 0.19 0.11 6.57 0.14 0.32 0.02 13.27 2.03 0.11 0.13 0.12 0.06 0.21 2.25
Assyrian_Arzni 0.10 1.21 17.69 0.17 0.49 0.32 0.26 51.38 0.04 0.25 0.13 6.33 0.04 0.33 0.02 15.44 3.86 0.33 0.07 0.20 0.07 0.15 1.12

CelticGerman
09-16-2014, 07:06 PM
South_Germans are not germans. southern Germany only became germanic after the fall of the Roman empire , I doubt very much that the original bavarians ( who created Austria in 998AD ) where germanic people in the ancient times.

My guess is that they represent danubian culture in some form, a mix of celtic with alpine peoples

Is it sure that south german samples here are really of south german origin many generations ago? A lot of population movements took place in Germany ..... There are even regions in Bavaria which were Slavic in the past. Is somebody considered South German due to his current address, or his birth place, or the birth place of grandparents or which other criteria? Are the Palatinate and Thuringia considered as part of South Germany? I have around 12% ancestry there.

ZephyrousMandaru
09-16-2014, 07:07 PM
The 5 Assyrian samples from Arzni, Armenia look like Armenians. Perhaps they are a quarter Assyrian? At most half? How else can one explain their values? Would be interested in seeing an IBD segment analysis of these five samples and Armenians. I reckon we would find very significant IBD sharing.


Armenian 0.15 1.27 18.49 0.09 0.46 0.13 0.10 52.13 0.02 0.26 0.08 8.34 0.34 0.58 0.03 11.96 2.03 0.08 0.10 0.08 0.03 0.08 3.15
Armen_Yerevan 0.16 1.97 18.61 0.17 0.63 0.55 0.11 52.13 0.12 0.19 0.11 6.57 0.14 0.32 0.02 13.27 2.03 0.11 0.13 0.12 0.06 0.21 2.25
Assyrian_Arzni 0.10 1.21 17.69 0.17 0.49 0.32 0.26 51.38 0.04 0.25 0.13 6.33 0.04 0.33 0.02 15.44 3.86 0.33 0.07 0.20 0.07 0.15 1.12

Maybe you can ask Dienekes to do one, or maybe even Vadim. Hey Vadim, do you know how to run an IBD segment analysis?

Vadim Verenich
09-16-2014, 07:11 PM
Maybe you can ask Dienekes to do one, or maybe even Vadim. Hey Vadim, do you know how to run an IBD segment analysis?

Yes, i know how to run fastIBD analysis, but i won't do it until the next year.

Vadim Verenich
09-16-2014, 07:13 PM
The Oracle doesn't work for me. It just shows my admixture results and doesn't display any population results. I have no idea why. I was using my FTDNA FF raw data. I'll try 23andMe raw data when it frees up again.

EDIT: Ah, only Oracle-4.

Vadim: Can you release the Oracle files for use with R?

Sure, I can

Hok
09-16-2014, 07:14 PM
Zal ook niet gek veel verschil in zitten lijkt mij, behalve misschien als je een grootouder uit Limburg of Zeeland zou hebben.

Yes that's true and North-Brabant aswell but i don't have ancestry from these provinces. Ik bedoel met west-nederland Zuid-Holland.

Huck Finn
09-16-2014, 07:47 PM
Great work, Vadim. However, there's nothing an idiot can't break, hence the question: am I able to use the group averages by loading those figures into TOraclebeta in order to "deconstruct" a whole single group, such as Russian Ural?

Salkin
09-16-2014, 08:06 PM
Oracle-4 says this now. I'd say it's getting more and more accurate; impressive. Belgian is my only known foreign admixture. Many generations back, so it's probably a few percent at most, but Oracle-4's top candidate is 1 part Belgian and 3 parts Swede, which is rather close indeed in the scheme of things.

MDLP K23b Oracle Rev 2014 Sep 16

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 42.72
2 European_Early_Farmers 24.55
3 Caucasian 20.06
4 Ancestral_Altaic 5.91
5 South_Central_Asian 3.02


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Swede @ 2.173782
2 Dane @ 2.680927
3 Norwegian_East @ 3.222649
4 North_German @ 4.720592
5 Norwegian_West @ 4.944532
6 Dutch @ 5.639322
7 Icelandic @ 5.974842
8 North_European @ 7.180983
9 Belgian @ 7.208788
10 Swede_Saami @ 7.610056
11 Frisian @ 7.766085
12 English @ 7.928965
13 South_German @ 7.965441
14 Irish @ 8.785515
15 Austrian @ 8.920747
16 CEU @ 9.303029
17 English_Kent_GBR @ 9.766293
18 British @ 9.857904
19 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 9.902618
20 German-Volga @ 10.204519

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Norwegian_East +50% Swede @ 2.161366


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Dane +25% Norwegian_West +25% Swede @ 1.864853


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Belgian + Swede + Swede + Swede @ 1.403524
2 Belgian + Dane + Swede + Swede @ 1.684233
3 Frisian + Swede + Swede + Swede @ 1.689186
4 English + Swede + Swede + Swede @ 1.776759
5 North_European + Swede + Swede + Swede @ 1.783537
6 Dutch + Swede + Swede + Swede @ 1.801877
7 Dane + Norwegian_West + Swede + Swede @ 1.842777
8 Finn_West + French + Swede + Swede @ 1.845297
9 English_Kent_GBR + Finn_West + Norwegian_West + Swede @ 1.845772
10 Dane + Dane + Norwegian_West + Swede @ 1.864853
11 Dane + North_European + Swede + Swede @ 1.901264
12 English_Kent_GBR + Swede + Swede + Swede @ 1.908557
13 Dane + Frisian + Swede + Swede @ 1.923813
14 Belgian + Finn_West + Norwegian_West + Swede @ 1.945201
15 Belgian + British + Finn_West + Swede @ 1.972731
16 Dane + Norwegian_East + Swede + Swede @ 1.974563
17 Belgian + Finn_West + Norwegian_East + Norwegian_West @ 1.976055
18 Belgian + Finn_West + Norwegian_West + Norwegian_West @ 1.980104
19 Hungarian + Norwegian_West + Norwegian_West + Swede @ 1.985410
20 Dutch + Norwegian_West + Swede + Swede @ 1.986612

Humanist
09-16-2014, 09:03 PM
Thank you Vadim.

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Assyrian_Iraqi @ 1.262910
2 Iraqi_Chaldean @ 3.829951
3 Jew_Tat @ 5.978452
4 Iraqi_Jew @ 6.468532
5 Iranian_Jew @ 6.589534
6 Kurd_Jew @ 6.990664
7 Uzbekistani_Jew @ 7.049000
8 Iraqi_Mandean @ 7.470135
9 Georgian_Jew @ 7.731777
10 Turk_Adana @ 8.038953
11 Turk_Kayseri @ 8.938130
12 Assyrian_Arzni @ 9.292991
13 Lebanese_Muslim @ 9.495876
14 Lebanese_Druze @ 9.736648
15 Armenian_Yerevan @ 10.691178
16 Armenian @ 10.876385
17 Lebanese @ 10.905150
18 Kurd_North @ 11.374497
19 Syrian_Jew @ 11.500642
20 Turk @ 12.097325

Here I am:


Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Iraqi_Chaldean @ 2.771986
2 Kurd_Jew @ 3.257514
3 Iranian_Jew @ 3.283000
4 Iraqi_Mandean @ 3.509223
5 Assyrian_Iraqi @ 4.268420
6 Uzbekistani_Jew @ 4.852777
7 Jew_Tat @ 5.991750
8 Iraqi_Jew @ 6.292783
9 Georgian_Jew @ 7.949132

10 Turk_Adana @ 8.562288
11 Kurd_North @ 9.919170
12 Lebanese_Muslim @ 9.990714
13 Assyrian_Arzni @ 10.062074
14 Turk_Kayseri @ 10.829316
15 Lebanese @ 10.853061
16 Lebanese_Druze @ 11.130387
17 Azeri @ 11.149581
18 Uzbek_Tashkent @ 11.173549
19 Iraki @ 11.416581
20 Kurd_South @ 11.819543

Dimanto
09-16-2014, 09:05 PM
Yes I know.


South_Germans are not germans. southern Germany only became germanic after the fall of the Roman empire , I doubt very much that the original bavarians ( who created Austria in 998AD ) where germanic people in the ancient times.

My guess is that they represent danubian culture in some form, a mix of celtic with alpine peoples

Dimanto
09-16-2014, 09:12 PM
He is actually a 'she', never mind '' :hat:


Yes, that is why he got Dutch+Dutch

Dimanto
09-16-2014, 09:23 PM
The woman from Groningen with 1 grandparent from Noord-Holland I've posted earlier with the previous version, gets this now (which is a improvement):


# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 38.41
2 European_Early_Farmers 27.81
3 Caucasian 21.68
4 Ancestral_Altaic 6.24
5 South_Central_Asian 3.57




Using 1 population approximation:
1 Belgian @ 2.204727
2 Frisian @ 3.203089
3 English @ 3.840600
4 North_European @ 4.105778
5 Dutch @ 4.504971
6 Irish @ 4.913108
7 English_Kent_GBR @ 4.968698
8 South_German @ 5.451792
9 CEU @ 5.545987
10 British @ 5.898987
11 Norwegian_East @ 6.029705
12 Norwegian_West @ 6.101302
13 English_Cornwall_GBR @ 6.248508
14 German-Volga @ 6.544384
15 Welsh @ 6.893777
16 Dane @ 7.139709
17 Icelandic @ 7.154510
18 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 7.392507
19 Swede @ 7.629957
20 North_German @ 7.632995

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Belgian +50% Belgian @ 2.204727


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Belgian +25% Belgian +25% Swede @ 1.916707


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Belgian + Belgian + Belgian + Swede @ 1.916707
2 Belgian + Belgian + Dane + English_Kent_GBR @ 1.934910
3 Belgian + Belgian + English_Kent_GBR + Swede @ 1.938936
4 Belgian + Belgian + Belgian + Norwegian_West @ 1.952961
5 Belgian + Belgian + Frisian + Swede @ 1.974245
6 Belgian + Belgian + Belgian + Dane @ 1.991070
7 Belgian + English_Kent_GBR + Frisian + Swede @ 2.015880
8 Belgian + Belgian + German-Volga + Norwegian_West @ 2.036397
9 Belgian + Belgian + English_Cornwall_GBR + Swede @ 2.040480
10 Belgian + Belgian + Belgian + Norwegian_East @ 2.046409
11 Belgian + Dane + English_Kent_GBR + Frisian @ 2.049982
12 Belgian + Belgian + Frisian + Norwegian_West @ 2.056198
13 Belgian + Belgian + Dane + Frisian @ 2.062254
14 Belgian + Belgian + Dane + English_Cornwall_GBR @ 2.085319
15 Belgian + English_Kent_GBR + German-Volga + Swede @ 2.098189
16 English_Cornwall_GBR + Norwegian_West + Norwegian_West + Serb_Serbia @ 2.098688
17 Belgian + Frisian + German-Volga + Norwegian_West @ 2.099126
18 British + British + Norwegian_West + Serb_Serbia @ 2.125843
19 Belgian + Belgian + Frisian + Norwegian_East @ 2.130481
20 Belgian + British + German-Volga + Swede @ 2.135394

Dimanto
09-16-2014, 09:40 PM
I see you've used the Frisian rawdata I gave you, so one of them must be a bit more like other Dutch from the 'Dutch' group I guess..The difference between North_Dutch and Frisians is very small anyway, like I have said earlier. You wanted to be the first to have used Frisian as a different group on Gedmatch hehe ;)
How many Frisian samples did you use Vadim if I may ask ?

Frisian example:


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 38.18
2 European_Early_Farmers 25.43
3 Caucasian 20.35
4 South_Central_Asian 8.48
5 Ancestral_Altaic 7.20




Using 1 population approximation:
1 Dutch @ 3.746059
2 Irish @ 4.435019
3 Frisian @ 4.721157
4 English @ 5.196683
5 North_European @ 5.727146
6 Belgian @ 5.894802
7 Icelandic @ 6.440511
8 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 6.469865
9 Norwegian_East @ 6.617820
10 CEU @ 6.746222
11 Norwegian_West @ 7.096022
12 British @ 7.166299
13 Dane @ 7.347495
14 English_Cornwall_GBR @ 7.547776
15 Orcadian @ 7.607183
16 English_Kent_GBR @ 7.617610
17 German-Volga @ 7.718394
18 South_German @ 7.781895
19 Welsh @ 8.004295
20 North_German @ 8.189051

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Dutch +50% Irish @ 3.299518

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR +25% Swede_Saami @ 2.685671

Dimanto
09-16-2014, 09:57 PM
Okay I understand ;) Heeft hij jou ook gebruikt als voorbeeld in deze nieuwe betaversie trouwens ?


Yes that's true and North-Brabant aswell but i don't have ancestry from these provinces. Ik bedoel met west-nederland Zuid-Holland.

Gray Fox
09-16-2014, 10:20 PM
Updated.. suddenly I'm closer to the Irish group?

Admix Results (sorted):


# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 37.24
2 European_Early_Farmers 27.81
3 Caucasian 20.03
4 South_Central_Asian 7.61
5 Ancestral_Altaic 3.61
6 Near_East 1.16

Oracle 4

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Irish @ 2.487554
2 English @ 2.792834
3 North_European @ 3.110827
4 Frisian @ 3.708494
5 CEU @ 4.073461
6 Belgian @ 4.215991
7 Dutch @ 4.867762
8 English_Kent_GBR @ 4.899934
9 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 4.901531
10 British @ 5.034567
11 Welsh @ 5.055951
12 English_Cornwall_GBR @ 5.290851
13 South_German @ 5.868273
14 Orcadian @ 6.100886
15 Icelandic @ 6.544009
16 Norwegian_East @ 6.771683
17 Norwegian_West @ 7.048969
18 German-Volga @ 7.105812
19 North_German @ 8.368073
20 Dane @ 8.572951

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR +50% South_German @ 1.970417


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR +25% South_German @ 1.879889


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Irish + Irish + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + South_German @ 1.879889
2 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + South_German + South_German @ 1.970417
3 Irish + North_European + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + South_German @ 1.977831
4 English + Irish + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + South_German @ 2.002676
5 Irish + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + South_German @ 2.007872
6 Dutch + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + South_German @ 2.018383
7 Dutch + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + South_German + Welsh @ 2.022202
8 Irish + Irish + Orcadian + South_German @ 2.038105
9 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + Serb_Serbia @ 2.039530
10 Irish + Irish + North_German + Welsh @ 2.064977
11 CEU + Irish + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + South_German @ 2.088437
12 Austrian + Irish + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + Welsh @ 2.118212
13 Austrian + Irish + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 2.122577
14 Dutch + Irish + Irish + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 2.144727
15 Frisian + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + South_German @ 2.146623
16 CEU + Dutch + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + South_German @ 2.146896
17 Irish + North_German + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + Welsh @ 2.160753
18 Orcadian + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + Serb_Serbia @ 2.167806
19 Dutch + English + Irish + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 2.168181
20 German-Volga + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + South_German @ 2.170660

Dimanto
09-17-2014, 03:28 AM
Half Maltese/Scottish:

Funny how he gets ''Dutch'' and I get ''Welsh'' :p


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 28.16
2 European_Early_Farmers 24.78
3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 24.54
4 South_Central_Asian 7.88
5 Near_East 6.30
6 North_African 4.70
7 Ancestral_Altaic 1.86



Using 1 population approximation:
1 Italian_North @ 5.223702
2 Greek_Northwest @ 9.714713
3 Kosovar @ 10.504217
4 Bulgarian @ 11.653913
5 German-Volga @ 12.278860
6 Greek_Thessaly @ 12.360037
7 Greek_Peloponnesos @ 12.414887
8 Greek_Thessaloniki @ 12.439449
9 Albanian_Tirana @ 12.634196
10 Italian_Tuscan @ 12.911927
11 Italian_Piedmont @ 13.194395
12 Macedonian @ 13.413999
13 Montenegrian @ 13.846838
14 Romanian @ 14.430024
15 Serb_Serbia @ 14.655455
16 Sicilian_West @ 14.832020
17 Italian_Bergamo @ 14.947530
18 Central_Greek @ 15.006987
19 South_German @ 15.278655
20 Gagauz @ 15.570335


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Dutch +50% Sicilian_West @ 2.478710


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Spaniard +25% Ukrainian_East +25% Uzbekistani_Jew @ 1.604434


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Portugese + Spanish_Cataluna_IBS + Ukrainian_Center + Uzbekistani_Jew @ 1.241951
2 Portugese + Spanish_Cataluna_IBS + Ukrainian_East + Uzbekistani_Jew @ 1.270320
3 Portugese + Sorb + Spaniard + Uzbekistani_Jew @ 1.308031
4 Assyrian_Iraqi + Portugese + South_German + South_German @ 1.338298
5 Portugese + Spaniard + Ukrainian_East + Uzbekistani_Jew @ 1.348672
6 Iranian_Jew + Portugese + South_German + South_German @ 1.367877
7 Assyrian_Iraqi + Don_cossack + Portugese + Spaniard @ 1.374635
8 Portugese + Spaniard + Ukrainian_Center + Uzbekistani_Jew @ 1.375404
9 Georgian_Jew + Latvian + Maltese + Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS @ 1.382134
10 Assyrian_Iraqi + Don_cossack + Portugese + Spanish_Cataluna_IBS @ 1.387349
11 Iranian_Jew + Portugese + Spanish_Cataluna_IBS + Ukrainian_East @ 1.394036
12 Georgian_Jew + Italian_North + North_German + Portugese @ 1.408096
13 Kurd_Jew + Portugese + Spanish_Cataluna_IBS + Ukrainian_East @ 1.411257
14 Portugese + Sorb + Spanish_Baleares_IBS + Uzbekistani_Jew @ 1.411746
15 French + Kurd_Jew + Portugese + Slovenian @ 1.419551
16 French + Iranian_Jew + Portugese + Slovenian @ 1.424163
17 Kashub + Portugese + Spaniard + Uzbekistani_Jew @ 1.424191
18 Assyrian_Iraqi + Portugese + Spaniard + Ukrainian_East @ 1.431357
19 French + Hungarian + Kurd_Jew + Portugese @ 1.432630
20 Georgian_Jew + Lithuanian + Maltese + Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS @ 1.439068

Vadim Verenich
09-17-2014, 05:34 AM
Great work, Vadim. However, there's nothing an idiot can't break, hence the question: am I able to use the group averages by loading those figures into TOraclebeta in order to "deconstruct" a whole single group, such as Russian Ural?

R command
read.table("averages.txt", header=F, sep="\t") -> averages
averages -> X

That's all.

Huck Finn
09-17-2014, 06:32 AM
R command
read.table("averages.txt", header=F, sep="\t") -> averages
averages -> X

That's all.
Thanks, "averages. txt" is then apparently the new .txt in the working directory with the new averages, if my memory serves me right? After saving the new averages and having given the command you gave, the old TOracle(c(...-type of commands will work? Sorry for disturbing you with this basic educational stuff.

Actually, for comparison purposes, an Oracle application based on these group averages might very well be included at Gedmatch. In this case any of us could compare his/her result againts the relevant reference group and see if there are visible biases.

Vadim Verenich
09-17-2014, 06:43 AM
Thanks, "averages. txt" is then apparently the new .txt in the working directory with the new averages, if my memory serves me right? After saving the new averages and having given the command you gave, the old TOracle(c(...-type of commands will work? Sorry for disturbing you with this basic educational stuff.


Yep, it should work.

Huck Finn
09-17-2014, 06:58 AM
Yep, it should work.
Many thanks for the most valuable help. Have a nice day!

Hok
09-17-2014, 12:52 PM
Okay I understand ;) Heeft hij jou ook gebruikt als voorbeeld in deze nieuwe betaversie trouwens ?

Ja, ik sta bij hem in de database.

ZephyrousMandaru
09-17-2014, 02:36 PM
Vadim, do you have an Oracle for R for this updated version of MDLP K23b?

bol_nat
09-17-2014, 03:40 PM
Baloch (maybe seraiki Baloch, not sure)

MDLP K23b Oracle Rev 2014 Sep 16

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 South_Central_Asian 45.69
2 South_Indian 24.48
3 Caucasian 13.04
4 Ancestral_Altaic 6.48
5 European_Hunters_Gatherers 3.83
6 Near_East 2.42
7 Subsaharian 1.22


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Pathan @ 6.272872
2 Sindhi @ 9.666639
3 Punjabi_Gujjar @ 9.686893
4 Burusho @ 10.772504
5 Jatt_Pahari @ 13.298327
6 Pashtun_Afghani @ 14.569695
7 Pakistani @ 16.702059
8 Afghan_Pushtun @ 16.835991
9 Pakistani_Pushtun @ 16.872028
10 GujaratiA_GIH @ 17.053839
11 Balochi @ 18.079002
12 Makrani @ 18.275854
13 Jatt_Haryana @ 18.505962
14 Jatt_Muslim @ 18.837034
15 Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 19.234318
16 Parsi @ 23.386829
17 Brahui @ 23.693090
18 Uzbek_Afghan @ 24.154253
19 Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan @ 24.161171
20 GujaratiB_GIH @ 24.958946

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Balochi +50% Jatt_Haryana @ 5.178360


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Kalash +25% Ossetian +25% Vysya @ 4.068020


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Balochi + Dargin_Urkarah + Kalash + Vysya @ 3.162095
2 Brahui + Dargin_Urkarah + Kalash + Vysya @ 3.261720
3 Balochi + Dargin_Urkarah + Kalash + Naidu @ 3.279600
4 Brahui + Dargin_Urkarah + Dusadh + Kalash @ 3.359991
5 Balochi + Pashtun_Afghani + Punjabi_Gujjar + Punjabi_Gujjar @ 3.367598
6 Balochi + Pathan + Pathan + Punjabi_Gujjar @ 3.395029
7 Brahui + Dargin_Urkarah + Kalash + Kamsali @ 3.406930
8 Dargin_Urkarah + Kalash + Makrani + Vysya @ 3.418666
9 Brahui + Dargin_Urkarah + Kalash + Scheduled_Caste_Tamil_Nadu @ 3.420239
10 Baku_WGA + Dusadh + Kalash + Kalash @ 3.424766
11 Balochi + Kalash + Lak + Vysya @ 3.435181
12 Balochi + Dargin_Urkarah + Kalash + Scheduled_Caste_Tamil_Nadu @ 3.437640
13 Kalash + Parsi + Punjabi_Gujjar + Punjabi_Gujjar @ 3.448067
14 Makrani + Pathan + Pathan + Punjabi_Gujjar @ 3.463735
15 Balochi + Kalash + Lezgin + Vysya @ 3.470335
16 Balochi + Dargin_Urkarah + Kalash + Piramalai_Kallar @ 3.472992
17 Brahui + Dargin_Urkarah + Kalash + Kol @ 3.482081
18 Brahui + Dusadh + Kalash + Lezgin @ 3.504114
19 Brahui + Kalash + Lezgin + Vysya @ 3.511339
20 Balochi + Pathan + Pathan + Pathan @ 3.521426

Dr_McNinja
09-17-2014, 05:11 PM
Thanks bol_nat. Those Oracle results look odd for a Balochi who had 55% Baloch in Harappa.

Vadim Verenich
09-17-2014, 06:53 PM
Vadim, do you have an Oracle for R for this updated version of MDLP K23b?

It is the same Oracle

Bolverkia
09-17-2014, 08:34 PM
My Mother Results

MDLP K23b Oracle Rev 2014 Sep 16

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 29.76
2 Caucasian 27.54
3 European_Early_Farmers 24.03
4 South_Central_Asian 7.13
5 Near_East 4.57
6 Ancestral_Altaic 3.49


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 German-Volga @ 6.731517
2 Italian_North @ 7.277789
3 South_German @ 9.799026
4 Serb_Serbia @ 9.960912
5 Bulgarian @ 10.183096
6 Montenegrian @ 10.331913
7 Macedonian @ 11.162251
8 Irish @ 11.444889
9 Belgian @ 11.450172
10 Frisian @ 11.592207
11 Dutch @ 11.611986
12 English @ 11.798082
13 Austrian @ 12.223536
14 German_East @ 12.352686
15 Kosovar @ 12.823255
16 Greek_Northwest @ 12.956156
17 English_Kent_GBR @ 13.240059
18 English_Cornwall_GBR @ 13.279355
19 North_European @ 13.432261
20 Welsh @ 13.870579

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Central_Greek +50% Icelandic @ 2.594525


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% English_Kent_GBR +25% Hungarian +25% Turk_Kayseri @ 1.792147


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Austrian + English_Kent_GBR + English_Kent_GBR + Turk_Kayseri @ 1.439858
2 Armenian_Yerevan + Basque_French + Russian-West + Ukrainian_West @ 1.585068
3 Greek_Smyrna + Icelandic + Macedonian + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 1.598100
4 Azov_Greek + Macedonian + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 1.613714
5 Armenian_Yerevan + Basque_Spanish + Russian-West + Ukrainian_West @ 1.621625
6 Armenian_Yerevan + French_South + Norwegian_West + Russian-West @ 1.634897
7 Armenian_Yerevan + French_South + Norwegian_West + Ukrainian @ 1.638659
8 Armenian_Yerevan + Balt + English_Kent_GBR + French_South @ 1.646668
9 French + Norwegian_West + Slovenian + Turk_Kayseri @ 1.648428
10 Austrian + CEU + English_Kent_GBR + Turk_Kayseri @ 1.653139
11 Armenian_Yerevan + Belarusian-East + French_South + Norwegian_West @ 1.653584
12 Armenian_Yerevan + French_South + Norwegian_West + Ukrainian_Center @ 1.655537
13 Austrian + British + English_Kent_GBR + Turk_Kayseri @ 1.660430
14 British + French + Slovak + Turk_Kayseri @ 1.679693
15 Greek_Smyrna + Icelandic + Montenegrian + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 1.686118
16 Armenian_Yerevan + French_South + Norwegian_West + Ukrainian_East @ 1.687185
17 Armenian_Yerevan + Austrian + Balt + Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS @ 1.688344
18 Armenian_Yerevan + French_South + Kashub + Swede @ 1.688520
19 French + Hungarian + Norwegian_West + Turk_Kayseri @ 1.697886
20 Azov_Greek + Macedonian + Orcadian + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 1.705635

Varun R
09-17-2014, 10:04 PM
My 4-oracle results didn't change much with the update, but the surprisingly southern-shifted PJL sample has made an appearance =)

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Bengali_Bangladesh_BEB + GujaratiD_GIH + Jatt_Haryana + Punjabi_Gujjar @ 1.899495
2 Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim + Vaish + Velama + Velama @ 2.018744
3 Brahmin_Tamil + Kanjar + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim + Velama @ 2.077701
4 Lambadi + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim + TN_Brahmin + Velama @ 2.084317
5 Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim + Vaish + Velama + Velamas @ 2.091999
6 GujaratiC_GIH + Punjabi_Lahore_PJL + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim + Velama @ 2.102717
7 Brahmin_Tamil + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim + TN_Brahmin + Vysya @ 2.103631
8 GujaratiD_GIH + Naidu + Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan + TN_Brahmin @ 2.103631
9 GujaratiC_GIH + Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan + Velama + Velamas @ 2.110178
10 Lambadi + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim + TN_Brahmin + Velamas @ 2.113731
11 Brahmin_Tamil + GujaratiD_GIH + Lodhi + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 2.118587
12 Brahmin_Tamil + GujaratiC_GIH + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim + Vysya @ 2.124554
13 Bengali_Bangladesh_BEB + Punjabi_Gujjar + Tiwari + Vaish @ 2.128829
14 Bengali_Bangladesh_BEB + GujaratiB_GIH + GujaratiB_GIH + Jatt_Pahari @ 2.135733
15 GujaratiC_GIH + Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan + Velama + Velama @ 2.136849
16 Brahmin_Tamil + GujaratiD_GIH + Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan + Vysya @ 2.151497
17 Bengali_Bangladesh_BEB + GujaratiB_GIH + Pathan + TN_Brahmin @ 2.155404
18 GujaratiB_GIH + GujaratiD_GIH + Scheduled_Caste_Tamil_Nadu + Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 2.158811
19 Jatt_Haryana + Lambadi + Lambadi + Punjabi_Gujjar @ 2.161019
20 GujaratiC_GIH + GujaratiD_GIH + Naidu + Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan @ 2.163100

julie524
09-18-2014, 05:49 AM
Here are my results. Not quite sure what it means other than the fact I am white and have ancestors from Europe who were Farmers, Hunters and Gatherers. Anywhere I can find a simple explanation of these results?

1 Caucasian 32.5
2 European_Hunters_Gatherers 27.22
3 European_Early_Farmers 22.06
4 South_Central_Asian 6.02
5 Near_East 4.49
6 North_African 3.06
7 Ancestral_Altaic 2
8 East_African 0.65
9 South_East_Asian 0.54
10 Australoid 0.51
11 Subsaharian 0.38
12 African_Pygmy 0.29
13 Paleo_Siberian 0.1
14 Melano_Polynesian 0.09
15 Archaic_Human 0.08

Hanna
09-18-2014, 06:21 AM
Here are my results. Not quite sure what it means other than the fact I am white and have ancestors from Europe who were Farmers, Hunters and Gatherers. Anywhere I can find a simple explanation of these results?

1 Caucasian 32.5
2 European_Hunters_Gatherers 27.22
3 European_Early_Farmers 22.06
4 South_Central_Asian 6.02
5 Near_East 4.49
6 North_African 3.06
7 Ancestral_Altaic 2
8 East_African 0.65
9 South_East_Asian 0.54
10 Australoid 0.51
11 Subsaharian 0.38
12 African_Pygmy 0.29
13 Paleo_Siberian 0.1
14 Melano_Polynesian 0.09
15 Archaic_Human 0.08

Are you Greek?

Hanna
09-18-2014, 06:25 AM
My Mother Results

MDLP K23b Oracle Rev 2014 Sep 16

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 29.76
2 Caucasian 27.54
3 European_Early_Farmers 24.03
4 South_Central_Asian 7.13
5 Near_East 4.57
6 Ancestral_Altaic 3.49


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 German-Volga @ 6.731517
2 Italian_North @ 7.277789
3 South_German @ 9.799026
4 Serb_Serbia @ 9.960912
5 Bulgarian @ 10.183096
6 Montenegrian @ 10.331913
7 Macedonian @ 11.162251
8 Irish @ 11.444889
9 Belgian @ 11.450172
10 Frisian @ 11.592207
11 Dutch @ 11.611986
12 English @ 11.798082
13 Austrian @ 12.223536
14 German_East @ 12.352686
15 Kosovar @ 12.823255
16 Greek_Northwest @ 12.956156
17 English_Kent_GBR @ 13.240059
18 English_Cornwall_GBR @ 13.279355
19 North_European @ 13.432261
20 Welsh @ 13.870579

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Central_Greek +50% Icelandic @ 2.594525


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% English_Kent_GBR +25% Hungarian +25% Turk_Kayseri @ 1.792147


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Austrian + English_Kent_GBR + English_Kent_GBR + Turk_Kayseri @ 1.439858
2 Armenian_Yerevan + Basque_French + Russian-West + Ukrainian_West @ 1.585068
3 Greek_Smyrna + Icelandic + Macedonian + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 1.598100
4 Azov_Greek + Macedonian + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 1.613714
5 Armenian_Yerevan + Basque_Spanish + Russian-West + Ukrainian_West @ 1.621625
6 Armenian_Yerevan + French_South + Norwegian_West + Russian-West @ 1.634897
7 Armenian_Yerevan + French_South + Norwegian_West + Ukrainian @ 1.638659
8 Armenian_Yerevan + Balt + English_Kent_GBR + French_South @ 1.646668
9 French + Norwegian_West + Slovenian + Turk_Kayseri @ 1.648428
10 Austrian + CEU + English_Kent_GBR + Turk_Kayseri @ 1.653139
11 Armenian_Yerevan + Belarusian-East + French_South + Norwegian_West @ 1.653584
12 Armenian_Yerevan + French_South + Norwegian_West + Ukrainian_Center @ 1.655537
13 Austrian + British + English_Kent_GBR + Turk_Kayseri @ 1.660430
14 British + French + Slovak + Turk_Kayseri @ 1.679693
15 Greek_Smyrna + Icelandic + Montenegrian + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 1.686118
16 Armenian_Yerevan + French_South + Norwegian_West + Ukrainian_East @ 1.687185
17 Armenian_Yerevan + Austrian + Balt + Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS @ 1.688344
18 Armenian_Yerevan + French_South + Kashub + Swede @ 1.688520
19 French + Hungarian + Norwegian_West + Turk_Kayseri @ 1.697886
20 Azov_Greek + Macedonian + Orcadian + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 1.705635
What is your mother's ancestry?

BalkanKiwi
09-18-2014, 07:00 AM
Here are my updated results. My known ancestry is Croatian, Polish, Maori, English, Irish and Scottish. Any thoughts would be great :) Not too sure what the Bulgarian represents.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 36.55
2 Caucasian 25.35
3 European_Early_Farmers 24.52
4 South_Central_Asian 5.65
5 Ancestral_Altaic 4.46
6 North_African 2.15

Using 1 population approximation:
1 German-Volga @ 3.277798
2 South_German @ 4.020086
3 Dutch @ 4.370359
4 Belgian @ 5.662082
5 Frisian @ 5.721272
6 Irish @ 6.471714
7 English @ 6.611763
8 Austrian @ 7.086512
9 North_German @ 7.705863
10 North_European @ 7.717642
11 Dane @ 8.460835
12 English_Kent_GBR @ 8.958603
13 Norwegian_East @ 9.030949
14 German_East @ 9.284139
15 CEU @ 9.539107
16 Serb_Serbia @ 9.638930
17 English_Cornwall_GBR @ 9.687665
18 Swede @ 10.019649
19 British @ 10.212126
20 Welsh @ 10.303917

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR +50% Serb_Serbia @ 2.370529


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Dutch +25% Frisian +25% Montenegrian @ 2.053689


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Bulgarian + Dutch + Dutch + Frisian @ 1.824983
2 Dutch + German-Volga + Irish + Serb_Serbia @ 1.826487
3 Dutch + Frisian + German-Volga + Serb_Serbia @ 1.883198
4 Bulgarian + Dutch + Dutch + North_European @ 1.926490
5 Belgian + Bulgarian + Dutch + Dutch @ 1.950422
6 Bulgarian + Dutch + Dutch + Irish @ 1.953127
7 Bulgarian + Dane + Frisian + Irish @ 1.977519
8 Bulgarian + Dutch + Dutch + English @ 1.981946
9 Bulgarian + Dutch + Frisian + Norwegian_East @ 1.995352
10 Dutch + English + German-Volga + Serb_Serbia @ 1.999415
11 Bulgarian + Dane + Frisian + Frisian @ 2.000729
12 Dutch + German-Volga + North_European + Serb_Serbia @ 2.028015
13 Dutch + Dutch + Frisian + Montenegrian @ 2.053689
14 Dutch + Dutch + Irish + Montenegrian @ 2.062840
15 Bulgarian + Dutch + Dutch + English_Kent_GBR @ 2.080451
16 Bulgarian + Dutch + Irish + Norwegian_East @ 2.088581
17 Bosnian + Frisian + German-Volga + Irish @ 2.093210
18 Bulgarian + Dutch + Frisian + Frisian @ 2.097251
19 Bulgarian + Frisian + German-Volga + Norwegian_East @ 2.100228
20 Bosnian + German-Volga + Irish + Irish @ 2.102215

Huck Finn
09-18-2014, 07:37 AM
Vadim, I think that Oracle results based on group averages are at least as interesting as the personal results have been and maybe even more informative. It's hard to wait the results of fastIBD runs. For those able to read related discussion in finnish:

http://muinainensuomi.foorumimme.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1058

Salkin
09-18-2014, 09:11 AM
Here are my results. Not quite sure what it means other than the fact I am white and have ancestors from Europe who were Farmers, Hunters and Gatherers. Anywhere I can find a simple explanation of these results?

1 Caucasian 32.5


It's worth noting that 'Caucasian' here doesn't mean 'white' but rather specifically refers to people from the Caucasus region (the strip of land between the Black and Caspian Seas).

I've been thinking before that although 'Caucasian' for people from that region is technically correct, it's not a great choice given its ambiguity. I'm not sure what would be a better term. 'Caucasus_Something'?

By the way, I'd be interested in seeing your Oracle and Oracle-4 results as well.

Stellaritic
09-18-2014, 09:18 AM
# Population Percent
1 North_African 25.93
2 Near_East 22.72
3 Caucasian 17.26
4 European_Early_Farmers 14.75
5 Subsaharian 8
6 East_African 4.65
7 Archaic_African 2.47
8 European_Hunters_Gatherers 1.93
9 Ancestral_Altaic 0.55
10 Amerindian 0.46
11 Austronesian 0.45
12 African_Pygmy 0.4
13 Arctic 0.18
14 South_Central_Asian 0.12
15 Archaic_Human 0.11
16 Melano_Polynesian 0.02
17 Australoid 0.02

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Tunisian @ 12.412248
2 Egyptian_Tanta @ 16.997145
3 Shaigi_Sudan @ 17.136944
4 Moroccan @ 17.880611
5 Algerian @ 18.442717
6 Egyptian_Iskandaria @ 18.615828
7 Egyptian_Kafar_Sheikh @ 19.295046
8 Egyptian_Kuwait @ 19.365215
9 Egyptian_Mansoura @ 19.379889
10 Egyptian_Kairo @ 19.668936
11 Egyptian_Cairo @ 20.972237
12 Libyan_Jew @ 23.995220
13 BedouinA @ 24.191256
14 Tunisian_Jew @ 25.125029
15 Jordanian @ 25.671579
16 Yemen @ 26.269083
17 Morocco_South @ 26.487663
18 Moroccan_Jew @ 26.520597
19 Palestinian @ 28.098766
20 Muslim_Arabs_Israel @ 29.390078

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Algerian +50% Egyptian_Cairo @ 5.704517


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Algerian +25% Egyptian_Iskandaria +25% Saudi @ 4.981230


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Moroccan + Morocco_South + Puerto_Rican + Yemenite_Jew @ 4.951792
2 Algerian + Algerian + Egyptian_Iskandaria + Saudi @ 4.981230
3 Egyptian_Iskandaria + Morocco_South + Saudi + Shaigi_Sudan @ 5.048324
4 Algerian + Egyptian_Iskandaria + Morocco_South + Saudi @ 5.073341
5 Algerian + Egyptian_Iskandaria + Saudi + Shaigi_Sudan @ 5.132286
6 Algerian + Moroccan + Puerto_Rican + Yemenite_Jew @ 5.223339
7 Algerian + Algerian + Egyptian_Tanta + Yemen @ 5.270368
8 Algerian + Libyan_Jew + Morocco_South + Saudi @ 5.320713
9 Moroccan + Puerto_Rican + Shaigi_Sudan + Yemenite_Jew @ 5.352680
10 Algerian + Maltese + Morocco_South + Qatari @ 5.356130
11 Algerian + Moroccan_Jew + Morocco_South + Saudi @ 5.360307
12 Algerian + Egyptian_Iskandaria + Morocco_South + Yemenite_Jew @ 5.367686
13 Egyptian_Iskandaria + Mozabite + Qatari + Spanish_Murcia_IBS @ 5.390248
14 Morocco_South + Morocco_South + Qatari + Sicilian_Center @ 5.412871
15 Moroccan + Puerto_Rican + Tunisian + Yemenite_Jew @ 5.440884
16 Egyptian_Iskandaria + Saudi + Shaigi_Sudan + Shaigi_Sudan @ 5.457525
17 Puerto_Rican + Saharawi + Tunisian + Yemenite_Jew @ 5.463625
18 Morocco_South + Morocco_South + Qatari + Sicilian_Agrigento @ 5.481117
19 Algerian + Algerian + Egyptian_Iskandaria + Yemenite_Jew @ 5.482661
20 Algerian + Moroccan_Jew + Morocco_South + Qatari @ 5.496430

BalkanKiwi
09-18-2014, 09:35 AM
It's worth noting that 'Caucasian' here doesn't mean 'white' but rather specifically refers to people from the Caucasus region (the strip of land between the Black and Caspian Seas).

I've been thinking before that although 'Caucasian' for people from that region is technically correct, it's not a great choice given its ambiguity. I'm not sure what would be a better term. 'Caucasus_Something'?

By the way, I'd be interested in seeing your Oracle and Oracle-4 results as well.

On other calculators my Caucasian is anything from 6-12% so I'm surprised mine jumped up to 25.35% on this one. No doubt the population references are different.

Hanna
09-18-2014, 09:41 AM
I've been thinking before that although 'Caucasian' for people from that region is technically correct, it's not a great choice given its ambiguity. I'm not sure what would be a better term. 'Caucasus_Something'
The alternate term that is usually used instead of Caucasus is "West Asian", which I think is a better term.

Vadim Verenich
09-18-2014, 09:48 AM
I think that the more appropriate name of this component would be something like Caucasian_Basal or even West_Eurasian_Basal (WEB) :)

Vadim Verenich
09-18-2014, 09:53 AM
Ok, there are so many exceptionally good results of K23b, so i keep my faith in it.
Theoretically, k23b has an opportunity to become very accurate, as it names suggests

2634

K23b at work

Vadim Verenich
09-18-2014, 09:55 AM
The alternate term that is usually used instead of Caucasus is "West Asian", which I think is a better term.

I don't think that this label fits the component's distribution. Even Scandinavians, Balts and East Slavs have a considerable percentage of it

Salkin
09-18-2014, 11:20 AM
Various thesauri and synonym sites list 'Caucasic' as referring only to what pertains to the Caucasus region and not the so-called 'white race'... but it's probably similar enough that confusion can still occur. Hrmmm.

West Asia often seems to include the whole of the Near and Middle East, so that could also be confusing.

'Caucasus_Mountains' is possibly too precise, though it's a lot less ambiguous than the other terms... It's not easy. :) 'Caucasus_Region'? Hrmmm...

MfA
09-18-2014, 12:10 PM
GEDmatch Oracle is still broken, nor Oracle-4 makes any sense.


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Assyrian_Arzni + Brahui + Greek_Smyrna + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.091398
2 Brahui + Georgian_Imereti + Greek_Smyrna + Lebanese_Christian @ 2.166065
3 Assyrian_Arzni + Brahui + Greek_Islands + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.205445
4 Brahui + Georgian_Megrelia + Greek_Smyrna + Lebanese_Christian @ 2.208479
5 Assyrian_Arzni + Brahui + Cretan + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.233585
6 Brahui + Georgian_Laz + Greek_Smyrna + Iraqi_Jew @ 2.258497
7 Brahui + Georgian_Imereti + Greek_Smyrna + Lebanese_Druze @ 2.287720
8 Brahui + Georgian_Laz + Iraqi_Jew + Sicilian_East @ 2.313489
9 Armenian + Brahui + Cypriot + Turk_Trabzon @ 2.315619
10 Brahui + Georgian_Megrelia + Greek_Smyrna + Lebanese_Druze @ 2.334085
11 Brahui + Christian_Arabs_Israel + Georgian + Greek_Smyrna @ 2.358085
12 Brahui + Cretan + Georgian_Laz + Iraqi_Jew @ 2.376027
13 Brahui + Christian_Arabs_Israel + Georgian_Megrelia + Greek_Smyrna @ 2.386185
14 Brahui + Georgian + Greek_Smyrna + Lebanese_Christian @ 2.389945
15 Brahui + Georgian_Laz + Greek_Islands + Iraqi_Chaldean @ 2.395854
16 Brahui + Cypriot + Cypriot + Georgian_Megrelia @ 2.407769
17 Brahui + Georgian_Laz + Greek_Smyrna + Lebanese_Druze @ 2.417233
18 Brahui + Christian_Arabs_Israel + Georgian_Imereti + Greek_Smyrna @ 2.421172
19 Brahui + Georgian_Laz + Greek_Smyrna + Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.424497
20 Brahui + French_Jew + Georgian_Laz + Iraqi_Jew @ 2.428375


Edit: Hear these calls Vadim :/


The Oracle doesn't work for me. It just shows my admixture results and doesn't display any population results. I have no idea why. I was using my FTDNA FF raw data. I'll try 23andMe raw data when it frees up again.

EDIT: Ah, only Oracle-4.

Vadim: Can you release the Oracle files for use with R?


Vadim, do you have an Oracle for R for this updated version of MDLP K23b?

Shaikorth
09-18-2014, 12:47 PM
To update the DIY oracle, download this

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B6n7iMc2P-yQbC1QTHlBc29WWXM/edit?pli=1

into the directory with R files, open TOraclebeta and enter

read.table("average.txt", header=F, sep="\t") -> averages
averages -> X

That should update the averages into the ones Gedmatch has.

Vadim Verenich
09-18-2014, 01:05 PM
MfA, this is strange, because now Oracle has at least 5 Kurdish categories ).
Can you confirm that the same error occurs in standalone TOracle?

Vadim Verenich
09-18-2014, 01:08 PM
> TOracle("Kurd")
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "Kurd" "0"
[2,] "Kurd_East" "3.3425"
[3,] "Kurd_North" "3.877"
[4,] "Kurd_South" "4.4635"
[5,] "Azeri" "4.78"
[6,] "Baku_WGA" "5.2487"
[7,] "Uzbek_Tashkent" "6.3817"
[8,] "Uzbekistani_Jew" "8.4689"
[9,] "Iranian" "10.6264"
[10,] "Azeri_Dagestan" "10.9236"
> TOracle("Kurd", mixedmode=T)
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "Kurd" "0"
[2,] "78.4% Assyrian_Arzni + 21.6% Kalash" "2.1548"
[3,] "9.5% Kakheti + 90.5% Kurd_East" "2.6529"
[4,] "7.4% Abkhasian + 92.6% Kurd_East" "2.6875"
[5,] "7.4% Georgian + 92.6% Kurd_East" "2.6878"
[6,] "30.4% Baku_WGA + 69.6% Kurd_East" "2.7011"
[7,] "6.8% Georgian_Megrelia + 93.2% Kurd_East" "2.72"
[8,] "7.1% Adjara + 92.9% Kurd_East" "2.7202"
[9,] "15.4% Azeri_Dagestan + 84.6% Kurd_East" "2.7302"
[10,] "6.6% Georgian_Svan + 93.4% Kurd_East" "2.737"

MfA
09-18-2014, 01:12 PM
MfA, this is strange, because now Oracle has at least 5 Kurdish categories ).
Can you confirm that the same error occurs in standalone TOracle?

Overall Oracle is good, Oracle-4 is just odd. Still an improvement over K22, though.



[1,] "Kurd_North" "4.1543"
[2,] "Azeri" "6.1466"
[3,] "Kurd" "6.2213"
[4,] "Kurd_South" "6.2756"
[5,] "Kurd_East" "6.2828"
[6,] "Uzbek_Tashkent" "7.5609"
[7,] "Uzbekistani_Jew" "8.6547"
[8,] "Turk_Adana" "8.9995"
[9,] "Baku_WGA" "9.3406"
[10,] "Turk_Kayseri" "10.1427"
[11,] "Georgian_Jew" "10.2703"
[12,] "Assyrian_Iraqi" "10.8157"
[13,] "Iraqi_Mandean" "10.8645"
[14,] "Kurd_Jew" "10.8964"
[15,] "Iraqi_Chaldean" "11.2697"
[16,] "Turk" "11.3186"
[17,] "Iranian_Jew" "12.1409"
[18,] "Iranian" "12.4128"
[19,] "Jew_Tat" "12.681"
[20,] "Azeri_Dagestan" "13.3375"


[1,] "96.2% Kurd_North + 3.8% Sardinian" "3.2482"
[2,] "15.2% Italian_Abruzzo + 84.8% Kurd" "3.3636"
[3,] "3.1% Basque_Spanish + 96.9% Kurd_North" "3.3997"
[4,] "14.1% Italian_Tuscan + 85.9% Kurd" "3.4"
[5,] "3.1% Basque_French + 96.9% Kurd_North" "3.4027"
[6,] "96.5% Kurd_North + 3.5% Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS" "3.4319"
[7,] "20.3% Greek_Smyrna + 79.7% Kurd" "3.4361"
[8,] "4% French_South + 96% Kurd_North" "3.4384"
[9,] "13.2% Italian_Piedmont + 86.8% Kurd" "3.459"
[10,] "95.5% Kurd_North + 4.5% Spanish_Andalucia_IBS" "3.4818"
[11,] "95.7% Kurd_North + 4.3% Spanish_Valencia_IBS" "3.4855"
[12,] "95.8% Kurd_North + 4.2% Spanish_Castilla_la_Mancha_IBS" "3.4984"
[13,] "95.9% Kurd_North + 4.1% Spanish_Cantabria_IBS" "3.5032"
[14,] "5.6% Italian_Bergamo + 94.4% Kurd_North" "3.5066"
[15,] "95.5% Kurd_North + 4.5% Spanish_Cataluna_IBS" "3.5079"
[16,] "15.7% Kosovar + 84.3% Kurd" "3.5099"
[17,] "95.9% Kurd_North + 4.1% Spanish_Aragon_IBS" "3.5131"
[18,] "92.8% Kurd + 7.2% Sardinian" "3.5135"
[19,] "95.5% Kurd_North + 4.5% Spanish_Murcia_IBS" "3.5267"
[20,] "95.4% Kurd_North + 4.6% Spaniard" "3.5313"


or more relevant ones, these are inline with other calculators


[174,] "3.8% Armenian + 96.2% Kurd_North" "4.1201"
[702,] "25% Armenian + 75% Kurd_South" "4.3979"
[777,] "23.2% Armenian + 76.8% Kurd_East" "4.8213"
[784,] "22.3% Armenian_Yerevan + 77.7% Kurd_South" "4.8847"
[807,] "46.2% Armenian + 53.8% Iranian" "4.9862"
[866,] "20.2% Armenian_Yerevan + 79.8% Kurd_East" "5.2565"

Vadim Verenich
09-18-2014, 01:13 PM
> TOracle("Kurd_North")
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "Kurd_North" "0"
[2,] "Azeri" "3.3281"
[3,] "Kurd_East" "3.8"
[4,] "Kurd" "3.877"
[5,] "Kurd_South" "4.0215"
[6,] "Uzbek_Tashkent" "5.2539"
[7,] "Baku_WGA" "6.1034"
[8,] "Uzbekistani_Jew" "6.4461"
[9,] "Turk_Adana" "8.7987"
[10,] "Kurd_Jew" "9.2069"
> TOracle("Kurd_North", mixedmode=T)
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "Kurd_North" "0"
[2,] "21.7% Armenian + 78.3% Kurd_South" "1.0078"
[3,] "85.8% Kurd_South + 14.2% Turk_Trabzon" "1.1306"
[4,] "21.7% Armenian_Yerevan + 78.3% Kurd_South" "1.2147"
[5,] "27.5% Georgian_Jew + 72.5% Kurd_East" "1.4329"
[6,] "74.6% Kurd_East + 25.4% Turk_Kayseri" "1.4582"
[7,] "11.8% Greek_Phokaia + 88.2% Kurd" "1.5012"
[8,] "10.9% Georgian_Laz + 89.1% Kurd_South" "1.5177"
[9,] "70.9% Kurd + 29.1% Turk_Adana" "1.5384"
[10,] "12.8% Greek_Macedonia + 87.2% Kurd" "1.562"

[,1] [,2]
[1,] "Kurd_East" "0"
[2,] "Kurd_South" "2.1095"
[3,] "Kurd" "3.3425"
[4,] "Kurd_North" "3.8"
[5,] "Azeri" "5.2461"
[6,] "Baku_WGA" "6.4692"
[7,] "Uzbek_Tashkent" "7.3566"
[8,] "Iranian" "8.1762"
[9,] "Uzbekistani_Jew" "9.2808"
[10,] "Kurd_Jew" "11.593"
> TOracle("Kurd_East",mixedmode=T)
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "Kurd_East" "0"
[2,] "6.8% Cochin_Jew + 93.2% Kurd" "1.4452"
[3,] "3.5% Hakkipikki + 96.5% Kurd" "1.4818"
[4,] "96.3% Kurd + 3.7% Satnami" "1.485"
[5,] "96.7% Kurd + 3.3% Madiga" "1.4921"
[6,] "96.8% Kurd + 3.2% Malayan" "1.4964"
[7,] "96.6% Kurd + 3.4% Kurumba" "1.4966"
[8,] "96.6% Kurd + 3.4% Nihali" "1.4983"
[9,] "3.7% Bhil + 96.3% Kurd" "1.5006"
[10,] "33.1% Kurd + 66.9% Kurd_South" "1.5045"
>

TOracle("Kurd_Jew",mixedmode=T)
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "Kurd_Jew" "0"
[2,] "97% Iranian_Jew + 3% Makrani" "1.0058"
[3,] "88% Iranian_Jew + 12% Kurd_East" "1.0063"
[4,] "97.7% Iranian_Jew + 2.3% Kalash" "1.0065"
[5,] "2.8% Balochi + 97.2% Iranian_Jew" "1.0096"
[6,] "87.9% Iranian_Jew + 12.1% Kurd_South" "1.0168"
[7,] "2.6% Brahui + 97.4% Iranian_Jew" "1.017"
[8,] "8.5% Iranian + 91.5% Iranian_Jew" "1.0325"
[9,] "96.1% Iranian_Jew + 3.9% Pashtun_Afghani" "1.0687"
[10,] "95.8% Iranian_Jew + 4.2% Uzbek_Afghan" "1.0744"
> TOracle("Kurd_Jew")
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "Kurd_Jew" "0"
[2,] "Iranian_Jew" "1.8662"
[3,] "Iraqi_Mandean" "3.2866"
[4,] "Uzbekistani_Jew" "3.8374"
[5,] "Iraqi_Chaldean" "5.1652"
[6,] "Jew_Tat" "5.898"
[7,] "Georgian_Jew" "5.9948"
[8,] "Assyrian_Iraqi" "6.4581"
[9,] "Iraqi_Jew" "6.9521"
[10,] "Turk_Adana" "9.1999"

Salkin
09-18-2014, 01:23 PM
Here are my results. Not quite sure what it means other than the fact I am white and have ancestors from Europe who were Farmers, Hunters and Gatherers. Anywhere I can find a simple explanation of these results?

OK, here's what the Oracles make of you, if I managed to feed them the right numbers (it's quite possible I didn't, hopefully someone will point it out if so :) ). The rightmost number is distance - the smaller the number, the better it thinks that line matches your percentages.

You can make slightly more advanced Oracle calculations yourself at GEDmatch by clicking the Oracle buttons beneath your pie chart. Though apparently that's been having a few issues.

Any of this make sense with regard to your known ancestry?

Single-mode population:

[1,] "Montenegrian" "4.826"
[2,] "Serb_Serbia" "5.6012"
[3,] "Macedonian" "5.7508"
[4,] "Croat" "5.9999"
[5,] "Serb_BH" "6.0837"
[6,] "Bulgarian" "6.0979"
[7,] "Bosnian" "6.9954"
[8,] "Slovenian" "7.1352"
[9,] "Kosovar" "7.3076"
[10,] "Hungarian" "7.3348"
[11,] "Greek_Thessaly" "7.4086"
[12,] "Croat_BH" "7.7341"
[13,] "Austrian" "7.7607"
[14,] "Hungarian_Budapest" "7.7824"
[15,] "Greek_Northwest" "7.7881"
[16,] "Greek_Thessaloniki" "7.8555"
[17,] "Albanian_Tirana" "8.0469"
[18,] "Greek_Peloponnesos" "8.2524"
[19,] "Italian_North" "9.181"
[20,] "Czech" "9.3295"

Mixed-mode:

[1,] "89.9% Croat + 10.1% Sardinian" "2.8462"
[2,] "70.1% Croat + 29.9% Italian_Piedmont" "2.909"
[3,] "86.8% Croat_BH + 13.2% Sardinian" "2.9351"
[4,] "63.2% Croat_BH + 36.8% Italian_Piedmont" "3.0028"
[5,] "10% Sardinian + 90% Serb_BH" "3.0867"
[6,] "29.9% Italian_Piedmont + 70.1% Serb_BH" "3.1295"
[7,] "66.2% Bosnian + 33.8% Italian_Piedmont" "3.1602"
[8,] "62.5% Italian_Piedmont + 37.5% Kuban_cossack" "3.1777"
[9,] "88.3% Bosnian + 11.7% Sardinian" "3.1914"
[10,] "68.8% Croat + 31.2% Italian_Tuscan" "3.1941"
[11,] "76.5% Croat + 23.5% Italian_Bergamo" "3.2149"
[12,] "85.1% Macedonian + 14.9% Spanish_Canarias_IBS" "3.2329"
[13,] "57.7% Italian_Piedmont + 42.3% Pole" "3.2808"
[14,] "82.4% Macedonian + 17.6% Portugese" "3.3103"
[15,] "36.6% Sicilian_Center + 63.4% Slovenian" "3.3546"
[16,] "93.2% Montenegrian + 6.8% Sardinian" "3.376"
[17,] "70.3% Croat_BH + 29.7% Italian_Bergamo" "3.3819"
[18,] "85.5% Macedonian + 14.5% Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS" "3.391"
[19,] "62.6% Hungarian + 37.4% Sicilian_Center" "3.3967"
[20,] "61.6% Croat_BH + 38.4% Italian_Tuscan" "3.4104"

Hanna
09-18-2014, 03:03 PM
Various thesauri and synonym sites list 'Caucasic' as referring only to what pertains to the Caucasus region and not the so-called 'white race'... but it's probably similar enough that confusion can still occur. Hrmmm.

West Asia often seems to include the whole of the Near and Middle East, so that could also be confusing.

'Caucasus_Mountains' is possibly too precise, though it's a lot less ambiguous than the other terms... It's not easy. :) 'Caucasus_Region'? Hrmmm...

West Asia usually refers to the northern part of Western Asia, Anatolia, Caucasus, north parts of Iran and Levant, not the whole of the middle east. Southern parts are referred to as Southwest Asia.

Vadim Verenich
09-18-2014, 03:13 PM
West Asia usually refers to the northern part of Western Asia, Anatolia, Caucasus, north parts of Iran and Levant, not the whole of the middle east. Southern parts are referred to as Southwest Asia.


I strongly suspect that "Caucasian" component in K23b has some affinity to western branch of Eurasian-Basal component, mentioned in Lazaridis et al.2014

Dr_McNinja
09-18-2014, 04:07 PM
I strongly suspect that "Caucasian" component in K23b has some affinity to western branch of Eurasian-Basal component, mentioned in Lazaridis et al.2014It is close to the ENF signal within the South Indian component too, which resembles Caucasus or West Caucasus (or even Southwest Asian/Bedouin in a way). I guess these are all off that Basal Western Eurasian branch.

It's also close to EEF. My parents are at 10-11% Caucasian but I had ~7% Caucasian with 3.5% EEF.

Shaikorth
09-18-2014, 04:17 PM
EEF peaks in Basques and Caucasus in Georgian Laz.

It's possible that the former is a Basal Eurasian/WHG mix while latter is a Basal Eurasian + ANE mix, though that doesn't explain West Asian ANE alone. Georgians aren't the highest ANE populations of the region, and for example Lezgins clearly have less Caucasus.

Dimanto
09-18-2014, 05:21 PM
Yes it would, if you'd use the right samples for the right populations..


Ok, there are so many exceptionally good results of K23b, so i keep my faith in it.
Theoretically, k23b has an opportunity to become very accurate, as it names suggests

2634

K23b at work

Vadim Verenich
09-18-2014, 05:25 PM
Yes it would, if you'd use the right samples for the right populations..


No, if i'd have used data with 100% overlapping snps.

Dimanto
09-18-2014, 10:07 PM
Check you messages. It was meant provocative, but apparently it worked..




No, if i'd have used data with 100% overlapping snps.

vettor
09-19-2014, 07:23 PM
the new one ................same numbers , but ethnicity became very very accurate

MDLP K23b Oracle Rev 2014 Sep 16

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_Early_Farmers 29.03
2 Caucasian 27.88
3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 25.56
4 South_Central_Asian 5.03
5 Near_East 4.22
6 North_African 4.16
7 Ancestral_Altaic 3.18


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Italian_North @ 1.625069
2 Italian_Piedmont @ 10.729018
3 German-Volga @ 10.739352
4 Kosovar @ 10.752990
5 Italian_Bergamo @ 11.048033
6 Greek_Northwest @ 11.196579
7 Italian_Tuscan @ 11.663836
8 French @ 12.118893
9 Bulgarian @ 13.362114
10 South_German @ 13.639461
11 Albanian_Tirana @ 13.643938
12 Greek_Thessaly @ 13.652842
13 Belgian @ 14.084169
14 Greek_Thessaloniki @ 14.171048
15 English_Cornwall_GBR @ 14.256066
16 English @ 14.320354
17 Greek_Peloponnesos @ 14.361881
18 English_Kent_GBR @ 14.460760
19 Irish @ 14.469301
20 Spanish_Baleares_IBS @ 14.495005

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Italian_North +50% Italian_North @ 1.625069

vettor
09-19-2014, 11:51 PM
my wife's new k23b .............numbers did not change , ethnicity did change

MDLP K23b Oracle Rev 2014 Sep 16

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_Early_Farmers 30.35
2 Caucasian 27.20
3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 25.33
4 South_Central_Asian 5.45
5 North_African 4.39
6 Near_East 3.48
7 Ancestral_Altaic 2.32


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Italian_North @ 3.467652
2 Italian_Bergamo @ 10.008115
3 Italian_Piedmont @ 10.536383
4 French @ 11.027581
5 German-Volga @ 11.394217
6 Italian_Tuscan @ 11.672083
7 Kosovar @ 11.804514
8 Greek_Northwest @ 12.319919
9 Portugese @ 13.159437
10 Spanish_Baleares_IBS @ 13.203781
11 English_Cornwall_GBR @ 13.883275
12 South_German @ 13.976084
13 English_Kent_GBR @ 14.163894
14 Belgian @ 14.214927
15 English @ 14.290365
16 Irish @ 14.370074
17 Welsh @ 14.404425
18 Frisian @ 14.707240
19 Albanian_Tirana @ 14.786092
20 Bulgarian @ 14.786492

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +50% Spanish_Extremadura_IBS @ 2.142093

Vadim Verenich
09-20-2014, 05:37 AM
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