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Hanna
09-20-2014, 04:41 PM
I made an average with results of 4 Turks from Ispir/Erzurum using Dodecad K12b (my grandparents included). All 4 were tested via FTDNA, are not related to each other and come from different villages in Ispir:

FTDNA MY origins:

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Dodecad K12b admixture:

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Dodecad K12b Oracle:

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About Ispir on wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C4%B0spir

Ispir on map:

http://mapper.infomine.com/MapService.ashx?CPIDS=53085&key=53085&width=660&height=320

Dr_McNinja
09-20-2014, 04:57 PM
Your grandfather's result shows the relationship between Atlantic-Med and Gedrosian in K12b and similar calculators. (Also Caucasus and SW-Asian)

It looks like he has some East Asian admixture which is ambiguous enough to pull everything towards the east, thus the South Asian. In your grandmother there's Siberian instead.

In the other two it's in NE-Euro (which has a degree of Uralic influence) and SE-Asian.

Hanna
09-20-2014, 05:17 PM
Your grandfather's result shows the relationship between Atlantic-Med and Gedrosian in K12b and similar calculators. (Also Caucasus and SW-Asian)

It looks like he has some East Asian admixture which is ambiguous enough to pull everything towards the east, thus the South Asian. In your grandmother there's Siberian instead.

In the other two it's in NE-Euro (which has a degree of Uralic influence) and SE-Asian.

I noticed that my grandfather's Gedrosia is usually 2-3% higher than average , he also scores 1% South Asian, while my grandmother and I don't score any South Asian and our Gedrosia is within the average level.
His results are Armenian like but I suspect a very distant Iranic input somewhere in his ancestry?? I suppose this is where the 1% East Asian comes from??

His Harappa world Oracle:


Kit F281948

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 54.37
2 Baloch 20.68
3 SW-Asian 10.4
4 Mediterranean 6.34
5 NE-Euro 5.22
6 S-Indian 1.5
7 American 1.22
8 NE-Asian 0.26

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 armenian (behar) 4.79
2 armenian (yunusbayev) 5.2
3 azerbaijan-jew (behar) 7.94
4 assyrian (harappa) 8.64
5 azeri (harappa) 9.31
6 georgian (harappa) 9.4
7 armenian (harappa) 9.73
8 kurd (yunusbayev) 9.98
9 georgia-jew (behar) 10.24
10 turk (behar) 10.32
11 uzbekistan-jew (behar) 10.63
12 turkish (harappa) 11.12
13 turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) 11.51
14 kurd (xing) 11.86
15 turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) 12.29
16 iranian-jew (behar) 12.68
17 kurd (harappa) 13.16
18 iraqi-mandaean (harappa) 13.36
19 iranian (harappa) 14.02
20 iraq-jew (behar) 14.55

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 91.5% armenian (behar) + 8.5% makrani (hgdp) @ 1.91
2 92.2% armenian (behar) + 7.8% brahui (hgdp) @ 1.92
3 91.7% armenian (behar) + 8.3% balochi (hgdp) @ 1.92
4 80.3% armenian (yunusbayev) + 19.7% lezgin (behar) @ 2.07
5 73% armenian (behar) + 27% kurd (xing) @ 2.09
6 76.7% armenian (behar) + 23.3% iranian (harappa) @ 2.29
7 83.5% armenian (yunusbayev) + 16.5% urkarah (xing) @ 2.32
8 92.3% armenian (behar) + 7.7% bhatia (harappa) @ 2.35
9 91.4% armenian (behar) + 8.6% kalash (hgdp) @ 2.37
10 62.1% uzbekistan-jew (behar) + 37.9% abhkasian (yunusbayev) @ 2.49
11 92.8% armenian (behar) + 7.2% sindhi (hgdp) @ 2.49
12 79.6% armenian (behar) + 20.4% iranian (behar) @ 2.49
13 91.7% armenian (behar) + 8.3% pathan (hgdp) @ 2.5
14 92.1% armenian (behar) + 7.9% sindhi (harappa) @ 2.57
15 76.2% armenian (behar) + 23.8% kurd (harappa) @ 2.6
16 93% armenian (behar) + 7% punjabi-arain (xing) @ 2.62
17 50.9% georgian (harappa) + 49.1% armenian (harappa) @ 2.63
18 92.4% armenian (behar) + 7.6% burusho (hgdp) @ 2.63
19 90.6% armenian (behar) + 9.4% pashtun (harappa) @ 2.69
20 92.3% armenian (behar) + 7.7% punjabi-khatri (harappa) @ 2.73

Hanna
09-20-2014, 05:24 PM
Vs My grandmother: Notice her Gedrosian is about 3% less than my grandfather's and she scores 0% South Asian.


Harappa World:

Kit F281947

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 51.3
2 Baloch 17.65
3 SW-Asian 11.82
4 Mediterranean 10.89
5 NE-Euro 5.46
6 Siberian 1.81
7 Papuan 0.67
8 Beringian 0.4

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 armenian (yunusbayev) 6.1
2 armenian (harappa) 6.13
3 armenian (behar) 6.27
4 turk (behar) 6.61
5 turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) 7
6 azerbaijan-jew (behar) 7.15
7 assyrian (harappa) 7.66
8 turkish (harappa) 8.09
9 azeri (harappa) 8.38
10 georgia-jew (behar) 8.5
11 turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) 8.72
12 uzbekistan-jew (behar) 9.02
13 kurd (yunusbayev) 11.04
14 iranian-jew (behar) 11.53
15 lebanese-druze (haber) 11.82
16 iraqi-mandaean (harappa) 12.23
17 iraq-jew (behar) 12.45
18 lebanese-muslim (haber) 12.71
19 kurd (harappa) 12.81
20 kurd (xing) 12.9

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 53.8% armenian (yunusbayev) + 46.2% turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) @ 2.02
2 74.5% armenian (yunusbayev) + 25.5% turk-aydin (hodoglugil) @ 2.27
3 91% armenian (yunusbayev) + 9% french (hgdp) @ 2.37
4 90.7% armenian (yunusbayev) + 9.3% spaniard (behar) @ 2.4
5 92.4% armenian (yunusbayev) + 7.6% spain-basc (henn2012) @ 2.42
6 90.8% armenian (yunusbayev) + 9.2% spaniard (1000genomes) @ 2.42
7 92% armenian (yunusbayev) + 8% british (1000genomes) @ 2.46
8 92.3% armenian (yunusbayev) + 7.7% orcadian (hgdp) @ 2.48
9 52.4% armenian (yunusbayev) + 47.6% turk (behar) @ 2.49
10 92.6% armenian (yunusbayev) + 7.4% basque (hgdp) @ 2.49
11 60.1% armenian (yunusbayev) + 39.9% turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) @ 2.51
12 91.9% armenian (yunusbayev) + 8.1% utahn-white (1000genomes) @ 2.52
13 91.9% armenian (yunusbayev) + 8.1% n-european (xing) @ 2.69
14 88.9% armenian (yunusbayev) + 11.1% italian (hgdp) @ 2.7
15 50.7% armenian (harappa) + 49.3% armenian (behar) @ 2.72
16 57.5% armenian (behar) + 42.5% turkish (harappa) @ 2.77
17 86.9% armenian (yunusbayev) + 13.1% tuscan (hapmap) @ 2.84
18 53.3% armenian (behar) + 46.7% turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) @ 2.87
19 86.5% armenian (yunusbayev) + 13.5% tuscan (1000genomes) @ 2.87
20 91.6% armenian (behar) + 8.4% morocco-n (henn2012) @ 2.94

Hanna
09-20-2014, 05:29 PM
By the way, this is my grandfather as a young man:
https://scontent-a-fra.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10174852_292342457608100_1611600092527857300_n.jpg ?oh=ccabeea7fc4bc4381a545af463755eac&oe=54922D33

panhudist
06-25-2016, 07:46 AM
Merhaba Gönderide fotoğraflar gözükmüyor isteyebilek İÇİN hesap açrjm ama 10 paylaşımım olmadığı için mesaj atamadım sonuçları bana gönderir misiniz ?

Anabasis
06-25-2016, 08:26 AM
Merhaba Gönderide fotoğraflar gözükmüyor isteyebilek İÇİN hesap açrjm ama 10 paylaşımım olmadığı için mesaj atamadım sonuçları bana gönderir misiniz ?


Hello due to forum rules only english writen posts are allowed but there is a section in forum that allowed to post in Turkish. http://www.anthrogenica.com/forumdisplay.php?171-Turkic

You could ask anything in Turkish in this section and i would be glad to help you as much as i can.

panhudist
06-25-2016, 08:51 AM
sorry, i am translating: hello i cant see photos in post, i have created a account to Message you but i couldnt because i dont have 10 post in here, can you send results to me ?

AJL
06-25-2016, 03:36 PM
Thread moved to Autosomal since it fits better there than FTDNA (regardless where they tested).

dp
06-25-2016, 04:06 PM
The url signature has expired of the images that Hanna had linked to.
dp :-)


sorry, i am translating: hello i cant see photos in post, i have created a account to Message you but i couldnt because i dont have 10 post in here, can you send results to me ?

treeofme
06-26-2016, 03:02 AM
I noticed that my grandfather's Gedrosia is usually 2-3% higher than average , he also scores 1% South Asian, while my grandmother and I don't score any South Asian and our Gedrosia is within the average level.
His results are Armenian like but I suspect a very distant Iranic input somewhere in his ancestry?? I suppose this is where the 1% East Asian comes from??

His Harappa world Oracle:


Kit F281948[/B]

When I saw Erzurum, it caught my eye. 2 of my great grandparents where from there as well. I was curious and ran his kit to mine.
Would this be a false match?

Minimum threshold size to be included in total = 700 SNPs
Mismatch-bunching Limit = 350 SNPs
Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 1.0 cM


Chr Start Location End Location Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
6 31,663,168 32,930,274 1.2 1,557
18 34,019,525 38,069,432 3.1 869
Largest segment = 3.1 cM
Total of segments > 1 cM = 4.3 cM
2 matching segments

674683 SNPs used for this comparison.

Hanna
06-26-2016, 06:24 AM
sorry, i am translating: hello i cant see photos in post, i have created a account to Message you but i couldnt because i dont have 10 post in here, can you send results to me ?

Unfortunately the previous links expired. So I uploaded the pics again and you can now see the pics.

Hanna
06-26-2016, 06:27 AM
When I saw Erzurum, it caught my eye. 2 of my great grandparents where from there as well. I was curious and ran his kit to mine.
Would this be a false match?

Minimum threshold size to be included in total = 700 SNPs
Mismatch-bunching Limit = 350 SNPs
Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 1.0 cM


Chr Start Location End Location Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
6 31,663,168 32,930,274 1.2 1,557
18 34,019,525 38,069,432 3.1 869
Largest segment = 3.1 cM
Total of segments > 1 cM = 4.3 cM
2 matching segments

674683 SNPs used for this comparison.

I am not sure exactly, it is a match but a very small one. What is you gedmatch ID and what is your ethnicity? I have the GED ID's of the other Ispir/Erzurum Turks, if you share your ID I can check if you match them. Also could you share some of your admixture calculator results? I am curious to see what you score.

Hanna
06-26-2016, 06:29 AM
The url signature has expired of the images that Hanna had linked to.
dp :-)

I re-uploaded the links.

treeofme
06-26-2016, 03:47 PM
Dodecad K12b Oracle:

Population
Gedrosia 9.40
Siberian 0.72
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 29.40
North_European 32.22
South_Asian 0.45
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 5.95
East_Asian -
Caucasus 21.66
Sub_Saharan 0.20

HarappaWorld Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE-Euro 36.64
2 Mediterranean 23.98
3 Caucasian 20.63
4 Baloch 10.47
5 SW-Asian 6.56
6 Siberian 0.61
7 American 0.53
8 S-Indian 0.43
9 W-African 0.09
10 Pygmy 0.04
11 Beringian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 romanian-a (behar) 6.17
2 bulgarian (yunusbayev) 8.54
3 hungarian (behar) 13.26
4 slovenian (xing) 14.89
5 italian (hgdp) 15.07
6 tuscan (hgdp) 16.27
7 tuscan (hapmap) 16.35
8 tuscan (1000genomes) 16.42
9 french (hgdp) 16.71
10 n-european (xing) 20.71
11 utahn-white (1000genomes) 21.07
12 ashkenazi (harappa) 21.22
13 spaniard (behar) 21.59
14 utahn-white (hapmap) 21.79
15 ukranian (yunusbayev) 22.71
16 spaniard (1000genomes) 22.77
17 british (1000genomes) 22.77
18 ashkenazy-jew (behar) 24.24
19 orcadian (hgdp) 25
20 mordovian (yunusbayev) 27.75

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 69.1% n-european (xing) + 30.9% georgia-jew (behar) @ 1.25
2 69.6% n-european (xing) + 30.4% azerbaijan-jew (behar) @ 1.43
3 66.8% orcadian (hgdp) + 33.2% druze (hgdp) @ 1.54
4 68% utahn-white (hapmap) + 32% georgia-jew (behar) @ 1.57
5 69.4% n-european (xing) + 30.6% assyrian (harappa) @ 1.82
6 67.8% utahn-white (hapmap) + 32.2% lebanese-druze (haber) @ 1.91
7 68.5% utahn-white (hapmap) + 31.5% azerbaijan-jew (behar) @ 1.95
8 68.9% n-european (xing) + 31.1% lebanese-druze (haber) @ 1.97
9 68.8% utahn-white (1000genomes) + 31.2% georgia-jew (behar) @ 2.12
10 69.5% n-european (xing) + 30.5% iraq-jew (behar) @ 2.2
11 69.9% n-european (xing) + 30.1% iranian-jew (behar) @ 2.21
12 67.9% utahn-white (hapmap) + 32.1% lebanese-christian (haber) @ 2.33
13 70.6% utahn-white (1000genomes) + 29.4% druze (hgdp) @ 2.33
14 69.1% n-european (xing) + 30.9% lebanese-christian (haber) @ 2.33
15 69.7% n-european (xing) + 30.3% armenian (yunusbayev) @ 2.41
16 68.9% british (1000genomes) + 31.1% druze (hgdp) @ 2.46
17 69.3% utahn-white (1000genomes) + 30.7% azerbaijan-jew (behar) @ 2.55
18 68.4% utahn-white (hapmap) + 31.6% assyrian (harappa) @ 2.57
19 63.9% n-european (xing) + 36.1% turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) @ 2.6
20 67.6% n-european (xing) + 32.4% lebanese-muslim (haber) @ 2.65

GEDMatch T726788, FTDNA kit #481915

Known Ancestry: Armenian; English; French; German; Irish; Norwegian; Scottish. I don't know if I have Turkish, I suspect I may have some, however my 2 great grandparents were Armenian. I have not been able to trace beyond them. Thanks.

Hanna
06-26-2016, 05:02 PM
Known Ancestry: Armenian; English; French; German; Irish; Norwegian; Scottish. I don't know if I have Turkish, I suspect I may have some, however my 2 great grandparents were Armenian. I have not been able to trace beyond them. Thanks.

So your great grandparent's are Armenians from Erzurum. I met with a couple of Armenians from Erzurum on 23andme who match my grandparent's but I was not able to persuade them to join gedmatch. Your results do show Armenian admixture. Did you test anybody from your Armenian side?


Your highest match is with an Armenian from Ispir/Erzurum:

Largest segment = 7.2 cM
Total of segments > 1 cM = 19.0 cM
5 matching segments

The rest of the Ispir/Erzurum Turks match with you if I reduce the segment cM size to 1

My grandfather:

Largest segment = 3.1 cM
Total of segments > 1 cM = 4.3 cM
2 matching segments

My grandma:

Largest segment = 2.4 cM
Total of segments > 1 cM = 2.4 cM
1 matching segments

Ispir3:

Largest segment = 3.0 cM
Total of segments > 1 cM = 5.4 cM
2 matching segments

Ispir4:

Largest segment = 2.6 cM
Total of segments > 1 cM = 4.9 cM
2 matching segments

treeofme
06-26-2016, 05:08 PM
Unfortunately I only have 2 uncles still living on that side of my family (they are only half Armenian) and I have not been able to make contact with them to even discuss testing :/ It is frustrating because I would like to know who my people were.