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scottraveler
09-18-2012, 02:44 PM
Enough L1230+ have now been found to conclude there is a definite subclade of Roots clade, this subclade being M223+ L1229+ L1230+ and having some STR values allowing further members to be identified from our present databases.

zaender
09-23-2012, 03:11 PM
is there an actual datafile listing the STR motives for roots and continental? I know another german M223, 43 steps away from me, so probably in Roots.
I don't have the eye for jugding this.

scottraveler
09-23-2012, 03:40 PM
is there an actual datafile listing the STR motives for roots and continental? I know another german M223, 43 steps away from me, so probably in Roots.
I don't have the eye for jugding this.

Such a file once existed publically, and a better one has been under production, but various issues have delayed it going online.

zaender
09-23-2012, 04:39 PM
Such a file once existed publically, and a better one has been under production, but various issues have delayed it going online.

yes, I remember, but couldn't find it anymore. Would you mind me to send you the Y-search number of my german friend? I really would be interested in this.

scottraveler
09-23-2012, 04:52 PM
yes, I remember, but couldn't find it anymore. Would you mind me to send you the Y-search number of my german friend? I really would be interested in this.

Not sure what you are asking? If you are in that clade/cluster with 12 at DYS531, you have co-cladsters from Germany under surnames Wicklein and Braun.

zaender
09-23-2012, 05:07 PM
If you are in that clade/cluster with 12 at DYS531, you have co-cladsters from Germany under surnames Wicklein and Braun.

I actually have 12 at DYS531, but belong to continental 2a. He has 11 at DYS531, but is probably in roots. To be true, I cannot judge it from looking at his results.

scottraveler
09-23-2012, 05:45 PM
I actually have 12 at DYS531, but belong to continental 2a. He has 11 at DYS531, but is probably in roots. To be true, I cannot judge it from looking at his results.

Unless I am mistaking you with another haplotype with same surname, you are not in basic or generic Continental-2. The 2a class I think is now history; we have had months and months of peeling off pieces of Continental-2 into other haplogroups and clades. If you are in the cluster/clade with Braun, then you are even in another sub-haplogroup.

zaender
09-23-2012, 06:06 PM
Oops! Yes I see the difficulty. The development has gone concentrating on new SNP's, which one has to afford. There are also Zender and Zander with different haplogroups. To make sure, my Y-search identity is FXHD8, that of the other German 824ZW.
Maybe after the SNP run the STR's will form clear pattern again.

I'm willing to change my signature, but have no clue into what? Just M223 - I2a2a - or more?

scottraveler
09-23-2012, 06:42 PM
Oops! Yes I see the difficulty. The development has gone concentrating on new SNP's, which one has to afford. There are also Zender and Zander with different haplogroups. To make sure, my Y-search identity is FXHD8, that of the other German 824ZW.
Maybe after the SNP run the STR's will form clear pattern again.

I'm willing to change my signature, but have no clue into what? Just M223 - I2a2a - or more?

You are the same haplotype as I have in my database. You are in the subhaplogroup with Braun and Johnston. You should test positive (derived) for L1290 if you choose to do that snp measurement.

zaender
09-23-2012, 07:33 PM
thank you!
I found this site, working with the new assignments and haplotype motives:

http://www.semargl.me/de/dna/ydna/haplotypes/table-color/344/

if this is correct for you, it would put me into:
I2-I2a2a5-Cont

Braun
10-06-2012, 02:01 AM
You are the same haplotype as I have in my database. You are in the subhaplogroup with Braun and Johnston. You should test positive (derived) for L1290 if you choose to do that snp measurement.

I just found your message posted here and joined this group because I wanted to reply. I am the Braun mentioned above and have tested postive for L1290. An anonymous Johnston has also tested L1290 and so far we are the only two. There are about a half dozen STR readings for which you and I and the Johnston are all the same so I am very curious to know whether you are testing for L1290. Braun

zaender
12-27-2013, 02:08 PM
. . . so I am very curious to know whether you are testing for L1290. Braun

just to update: I am derived for L1290!