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giovanni carli
11-03-2014, 02:39 PM
What U152/r1b1b2a1a2d subclades does 23andme v4 chip test?

R.Rocca
11-03-2014, 06:42 PM
Going from memory, I think maybe just L20. Needless to say, 23andMe is about 5 years behind in relevant Y-chromosome testing.

ArmandoR1b
11-03-2014, 06:53 PM
What U152/r1b1b2a1a2d subclades does 23andme v4 chip test?

If Felix's tool is correct and I am reading the ISOGG 2014 tree correctly then L20/S144, L196, L4/S178, and sometimes L2/S139. See http://blog.kittycooper.com/2014/04/a-web-site-with-tools-for-y-and-other-dna-analysis/

mafe
11-04-2014, 03:20 PM
Could someone who is R1b1b2a1a2d* at 23andMe (previous chip) still be positive for L2?

ArmandoR1b
11-04-2014, 04:37 PM
Could someone who is R1b1b2a1a2d* at 23andMe (previous chip) still be positive for L2?

If they have a no call for rs2566671 then they can. If they have T at rs2566671 they are positive for L2. If they have C then they are negative for L2.

Alpine Hominin
11-04-2014, 04:59 PM
Could someone who is R1b1b2a1a2d* at 23andMe (previous chip) still be positive for L2?

I'm confirmed L2 through Familytreedna but show up R1b1b2a1a2d on 23andME. I was tested on the V3 chip.

MitchellSince1893
11-04-2014, 05:59 PM
Could someone who is R1b1b2a1a2d* at 23andMe (previous chip) still be positive for L2?

My dad and I are V3 tested and are both R1b1b2a1a2d3* and show up as L2.

ArmandoR1b
11-04-2014, 06:01 PM
I'm confirmed L2 through Familytreedna but show up R1b1b2a1a2d on 23andME. I was tested on the V3 chip.

What do you have for rs2566671 at 23andme?

ArmandoR1b
11-04-2014, 06:03 PM
My dad and I are V3 tested and are both R1b1b2a1a2d3* and show up as L2.

That means that you have a T at rs2566671 at 23andme. A lot of people at 23andme get no calls so they don't show to be R1b1b2a1a2d3* at 23andme. Alpine Hominin looks to be one of those cases.

Alpine Hominin
11-04-2014, 08:26 PM
What do you have for rs2566671 at 23andme?

I have a "No Call" at rs2566671 as you indicated.

MitchellSince1893
11-05-2014, 01:28 AM
That means that you have a T at rs2566671 at 23andme. A lot of people at 23andme get no calls so they don't show to be R1b1b2a1a2d3* at 23andme. Alpine Hominin looks to be one of those cases.

Yes, My father and I are "T" at rs2566671.

Dimanto
11-05-2014, 01:45 AM
I was tested R1b1b2a1a2d (R1b-U152) with 23andme too. What is the best way to further explore my paternal haplogroup ?

I've tested with FTDNA as well and took the Y-DNA 67 marker-test with familyfinder but only got R-M269. I know there's a way to update it further but isn't that too expensive for that little bit of extra information about my Y-DNA, or can I get an entirely different sub-branch than 23andme gave me ?

R.Rocca
11-05-2014, 02:03 AM
I was tested R1b1b2a1a2d (R1b-U152) with 23andme too. What is the best way to further explore my paternal haplogroup ?

I've tested with FTDNA as well and took the Y-DNA 67 marker-test with familyfinder but only got R-M269. I know there's a way to update it further but isn't that too expensive for that little bit of extra information about my Y-DNA, or can I get an entirely different sub-branch than 23andme gave me ?

If you didn't get a read at L2 at 23andMe, you should test for it.

MitchellSince1893
11-05-2014, 02:06 AM
I was tested R1b1b2a1a2d (R1b-U152) with 23andme too. What is the best way to further explore my paternal haplogroup ?

I've tested with FTDNA as well and took the Y-DNA 67 marker-test with familyfinder but only got R-M269. I know there's a way to update it further but isn't that too expensive for that little bit of extra information about my Y-DNA, or can I get an entirely different sub-branch than 23andme gave me ?
If you haven't already done so, join the FTDNA U152 project.

Once there you will be advised on what to test for next. For example if you are currently U152 you could test for L2. If you are L2 you could test for Z49. Recommended SNP testing is based on your STR values and/or the largest subclades of your current terminal SNP.

Dimanto
11-05-2014, 02:08 AM
If you didn't get a read at L2 at 23andMe, you should test for it.

How can I see this ?

The only thing 23andme gave me was R1b1b2a1a2d

How about these subclades what's the difference between L2 and Z49 anyway ?

I see your name at the R1b-U152 project or is it another Rocca ?

Agamemnon
11-05-2014, 02:14 AM
I have a "No Call" at rs2566671 as you indicated.

Same as my British grandfather's paternal relative (V4).

ArmandoR1b
11-05-2014, 02:38 AM
How can I see this ?

The only thing 23andme gave me was R1b1b2a1a2d
Log in to your 23andme account then go to https://www.23andme.com/you/explorer/snp/?snp_name=rs2566671



How about these subclades what's the difference between L2 and Z49 anyway ?

Z49 is a subclade of L2.

Dimanto
11-05-2014, 02:40 AM
Log in to your 23andme account then go to https://www.23andme.com/you/explorer/snp/?snp_name=rs2566671




Z49 is a subclade of L2.

I get this : intergenic 5755550 rs2566671 C or T
no call

ArmandoR1b
11-05-2014, 02:58 AM
I get this : intergenic 5755550 rs2566671 C or T
no call

That's a no call meaning that you didn't get a negative or a positive result. You should order the L2 test as Richard Rocca suggested.

By the way, why did you ask about Z49? Do you match someone that is positive for that marker?

Dimanto
11-05-2014, 03:20 AM
That's a no call meaning that you didn't get a negative or a positive result. You should order the L2 test as Richard Rocca suggested.

By the way, why did you ask about Z49? Do you match someone that is positive for that marker?

I've never digged any further into the whole Y-DNA testing and I was wondering what more could I learn from it when testing for other subclades like the one you proposed. I haven't had any significant matches at FTDNA; my highest match is someone with a French name who'm I match on 35 markers with a genetic distance of 4 who haven't responded to my email yet. There aren't many Italians on FTDNA anyway, so the whole thing was pretty much useless.

MitchellSince1893
11-05-2014, 04:01 AM
Yes Richard Rocca here is the same as the project admin for U152.

mafe
11-05-2014, 09:33 AM
Is there a difference in being reported R1b1b2a1a2d or R1b1b2a1a2d* ? (Note: I haven't got any 23andme results myself, just a screenshot of a possible U152 paternal line match)

See screenshot: 2866

R.Rocca
11-05-2014, 12:38 PM
Is there a difference in being reported R1b1b2a1a2d or R1b1b2a1a2d* ? (Note: I haven't got any 23andme results myself, just a screenshot of a possible U152 paternal line match)

See screenshot: 2866

Yes, the asterisk means they got a read on the L2 position (and a few others) and you were negative and without the asterisk means that L2 failed.

Solothurn
11-05-2014, 02:21 PM
I got a reply from 23andMe

"Thank you for your reply. For customer genotyped on v3, the v4 chip does not significantly alter what is reported to customers, so there would be little reason to retest on the latest platform.

You can read more about v4 at http://blog.23andme.com/news/23andmes-new-custom-chip/#8u37G5qYAo2iWXLc.99 "

I can't speculate on Y-DNA SNPs, but think there is a discussion on here somewhere!



What U152/r1b1b2a1a2d subclades does 23andme v4 chip test?

Solothurn
11-05-2014, 02:27 PM
I am U152+ S20550+ and there are 2 + from the GoNL DNA project. Maybe an option if you come in negative for L2, Z36 and Z56 (Z56 usually has DYS492=14)



I was tested R1b1b2a1a2d (R1b-U152) with 23andme too. What is the best way to further explore my paternal haplogroup ?

I've tested with FTDNA as well and took the Y-DNA 67 marker-test with familyfinder but only got R-M269. I know there's a way to update it further but isn't that too expensive for that little bit of extra information about my Y-DNA, or can I get an entirely different sub-branch than 23andme gave me ?

mafe
11-05-2014, 05:39 PM
Yes, the asterisk means they got a read on the L2 position (and a few others) and you were negative and without the asterisk means that L2 failed.

Thanks Richard, I've offered this man a Y-DNA12 test, but I haven't heard back from him.

dp
11-05-2014, 10:49 PM
I was tested R1b1b2a1a2d (R1b-U152) with 23andme too. What is the best way to further explore my paternal haplogroup ?

I've tested with FTDNA as well and took the Y-DNA 67 marker-test with familyfinder but only got R-M269. I know there's a way to update it further but isn't that too expensive for that little bit of extra information about my Y-DNA, or can I get an entirely different sub-branch than 23andme gave me ?

Modal values from ISOGG Wiki R1b


Haplogroup DYS390 DYS576 CDYa
R-U106 23 17 37
R-P312 24 18 36

Based on my values I tested P312/S116 instead of U106. I am P312+ :-)

Il PapÓ
11-05-2014, 11:00 PM
I was tested R1b1b2a1a2d (R1b-U152) with 23andme too. What is the best way to further explore my paternal haplogroup ?

I've tested with FTDNA as well and took the Y-DNA 67 marker-test with familyfinder but only got R-M269. I know there's a way to update it further but isn't that too expensive for that little bit of extra information about my Y-DNA, or can I get an entirely different sub-branch than 23andme gave me ?

Do the BIG Y test my friend,single SNP testing is too expensive for what you get.

Dimanto
11-06-2014, 03:15 AM
I am U152+ S20550+ and there are 2 + from the GoNL DNA project. Maybe an option if you come in negative for L2, Z36 and Z56 (Z56 usually has DYS492=14)


''GoNL DNA project''

Why would this be an option ? My paternal line is Italian as far as I know.

Solothurn
11-10-2014, 02:43 PM
Oops sorry :(

I just saw your 'Dutch' and wrongly assumed!



''GoNL DNA project''

Why would this be an option ? My paternal line is Italian as far as I know.

mr_y82
11-06-2015, 03:56 PM
Thanks for all the great info guys!

I am subclade R1B1B2A1A2D*, but negative "C" for rs2566671/L2

Leeroy Jenkins
11-07-2015, 01:46 AM
I tested back in the day when 23andMe was using the v2 chip and was listed as R-L2*. My father tested with v4 and was labeled as R-U152...:noidea:

Solothurn
11-07-2015, 05:55 AM
If your father didn't get the *, he will be a no call for L2. Chips sometimes do this especially at 23andMe :)

Your father would be L2 too if he tested elsewhere or didn't get the no call at 23.

wombatofthenorth
03-14-2016, 06:57 AM
My dad got R1b1b2a1a2d3a on V4 from 23. He got R-L20 at Geno 2.0.
A little unusual in that U152, much less L20, doesn't even really show up on the Baltic maps.
We have traced his strictly paternal line to at least 1826 as Latvian and possibly as far back as around 1750 so far.
Seems unusual.
Not sure what to make of it.

mr_y82
03-30-2016, 11:48 AM
My dad got R1b1b2a1a2d3a on V4 from 23. He got R-L20 at Geno 2.0.
A little unusual in that U152, much less L20, doesn't even really show up on the Baltic maps.
We have traced his strictly paternal line to at least 1826 as Latvian and possibly as far back as around 1750 so far.
Seems unusual.
Not sure what to make of it.

I know after leaving Switzerland, my ancestors (Anabaptists) went as far east as Poland in the early modern period, but their descendants came back to Germany before finally arriving in the US... Maybe other U152s took a similar route and kept heading east and north instead?

Heck, he might be a branch off the same line? I wonder how far back the 3a goes... (I am r1b1b2a1a2d* at 23&me)

MitchellSince1893
03-30-2016, 03:40 PM
My dad got R1b1b2a1a2d3a on V4 from 23. He got R-L20 at Geno 2.0.
A little unusual in that U152, much less L20, doesn't even really show up on the Baltic maps.
We have traced his strictly paternal line to at least 1826 as Latvian and possibly as far back as around 1750 so far.
Seems unusual.
Not sure what to make of it.

U152 is quite common in Germany. Maybe your paternal line was Baltic German at some point? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltic_Germans

According to the Russian Empire Census of 1897, there were 120,191 Germans in Latvia. In the 12th and 13th centuries, Germans, both colonists (see Ostsiedlung) and crusaders, settled in the Baltic.[4] After the Livonian Crusades they quickly came to control all the administrations of government, politics, economics, education and culture of these areas for over 700 years until 1918, despite remaining a minority ethnic group.

Or your line is possibly part of an earlier unrecorded migration from Central Europe to the Baltic

wombatofthenorth
04-11-2016, 03:08 AM
U152 is quite common in Germany. Maybe your paternal line was Baltic German at some point? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltic_Germans


Or your line is possibly part of an earlier unrecorded migration from Central Europe to the Baltic

Perhaps but it seems weird that a Baltic German male line would eventually end up a serf in 1826. And none of his ancestry tests seem to lean towards Germany or central Europe at all (although a single line might not show up as anything if the person got out of that region long enough ago).

His results are:
R1b1a1a2a1a2b1a1 L20/S144+
.R1b1a1a2a1a2b1a1~ L737-, L738 (not tested?), L739-, S256/Z291-, Z383+
..R1b1a1a2a1a2b1a1a~ CTS11795.2-, PF121.2+

which seems odd since my dad then tested negative for a few things supposedly upstream of PF121.2.

There is a huge pocket of U152 listed up near the Carpathians, but L20 came about quite downstream from U152 and I never heard it came from way out there.