Bought a new SNP for R-U106

[bradly88]

Hi everyone. I'm Billy and I bought a SNP for R-U106. It will be in by 5 to 9 weeks from now.

[Wing Genealogist]

Billy, If you turn out positive for U106, (and if you have done any Y-DNA testing with Family Tree DNA), please be sure to join the R1b-U106 Haplogroup Project https://www.familytreedna.com/public/U106/default.aspx We are a very active project conducting cutting-edge research.


Ray

[bradly88]

I went to this website: members.bex.net/jtcullen515/ha…, two days ago. Here are what my results show: Y-37 Haplogroup / Sub-Haplogroup or Y-67 Haplo-I Subclade Prediction:
Haplogroups and probabilities are as follows:
R1b-Frisian =>26% R1b-S21* =>26% R1b =>7% R1b-North/South 1 =>7% R1b-S26 =>7% R1b-S28 =>7% R1b-S29-Frisian2 =>7% R1b-Frisian3 =>5% R1b-North/South 2 =>2% R1b-Leinster =>2% R1b-Ub =>1%

*This means my terminal SNP would be R-U106.

[VinceT]

Not necessarily; it means that you have a 26% chance or so (meaning about 1 in 4) of being positive for U106. But if your 66th marker (DYS492) is 13 rather than 12, your chances skyrocket.

[GTC]

R1b-Frisian =>26% R1b-S21* =>26% R1b =>7% R1b-North/South 1 =>7% R1b-S26 =>7% R1b-S28 =>7% R1b-S29-Frisian2 =>7% R1b-Frisian3 =>5% R1b-North/South 2 =>2% R1b-Leinster =>2% R1b-Ub =>1%

Wish they would drop the "Frisian" bit. Very misleading these days.

Try this prediction tool:

http://www.hprg.com/hapest5/

[bradly88]

Today I was confirmed as R-U106 on this day, Dec. 31, 2014.

[Wing Genealogist]

Congratulations on your positive SNP result. Welcome to the U106 "family".

[GTC]

Today I was confirmed as R-U106 on this day, Dec. 31, 2014.

If you haven't already done so, please join the U106 Haplogroup Project (see post #2).

And there is an associated discussion group here: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/R1b1c_U106-S21/info

[vettor]

Wish they would drop the "Frisian" bit. Very misleading these days.

Try this prediction tool:

http://www.hprg.com/hapest5/

frisian should stay, it is not misleading as Frisian is the origin of English. Frisian retains its old-german tongue,
IIRC frisia was as far north as jutland ( denmark) and its language influenced the angles, jutes and saxons

there is a BBC program called...the history of English ( or something like that )and it clearly states that frisian is part of the english make-up.

- plus U106 is heavily frisian in percentage

the misleading is the notion of using modern national boundaries to reflect haplo origins etc................now that is 100% fantasy.

[GTC]

frisian should stay, it is not misleading as Frisian is the origin of English. Frisian retains its old-german tongue,
IIRC frisia was as far north as jutland ( denmark) and its language influenced the angles, jutes and saxons

there is a BBC program called...the history of English ( or something like that )and it clearly states that frisian is part of the english make-up.

- plus U106 is heavily frisian in percentage

the misleading is the notion of using modern national boundaries to reflect haplo origins etc................now that is 100% fantasy.

The term Frisian when associated with U106/S21 has nothing to do with tongues as such. It was a crude geographical descriptor. It was introduced back in 2004 by Dr Ken Nordtvedt in the very early days of haplotype analysis, using very few STRs and when there were comparatively few haplotypes modals known, and does not relate to U106 generally. Take note of what Ken Nordtvedt himself says in 2008 in the part that I have bolded below:


From: Ken Nordtvedt [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: April 16, 2008 7:38 PM
To: David Weston
Subject: Re: "Frisian" R1b modal haplotype

Yes, please do forward this. I do not like Frisian and S21 to be confused.
I found the Frisian haplotype during 2004 and 2005 after first noticing the cline of 23/11 R1b which reached its peak frequency in Greater Frisia.
Finding the other marker modalities followed soon afterward. The subhaplogroup S29+ also is a minor Frisian clade found from its STR modalities previously --- YCAII = 22, 635 = 25, 390 = 23, 385b = 15

And then there is the Frisian clade with 389ii = 28, 390 = 23, 439 = 11, 458 = 16, 464 = 15-15-16-18, H4 = 12, YCA = 21-23 --- I don't know which of the SNPs it has?

[vettor]

The term Frisian when associated with U106/S21 has nothing to do with tongues as such. It was a crude geographical descriptor. It was introduced back in 2004 by Dr Ken Nordtvedt in the very early days of haplotype analysis, using very few STRs and when there were comparatively few haplotypes modals known, and does not relate to U106 generally. Take note of what Ken Nordtvedt himself says in 2008 in the part that I have bolded below:

Then Kn fluked the call of frisian if he now does not like it, because a paper on the mass anglo-saxon migration into England states

"When we compared our data with an additional 177 samples collected in Friesland and Norway, we found that the Central English and Frisian samples were statistically indistinguishable."


and


"The best explanation for our findings is that the Anglo-Saxon cultural transition in Central England coincided with a mass immigration from the continent. Such an event would simultaneously explain both the high Central English-Frisian affinity and the low Central English-North Welsh affinity."

regards

[GTC]

Then Kn fluked the call of frisian if he now does not like it, because a paper on the mass anglo-saxon migration into England states

You are quoting from a paper dated 2002 based on 12 SNPs and 6 STRs. As you know, things have moved on considerably in the 12 years since.

Back in 2008 my own haplotype at only 12 markers was described as "Frisian" by some people. It no longer is.

As for Anglo-Saxon incursions and affinities, the results of the People of the British Isles Project (PoBI), due to be published in 2015, will give a far better idea of that.