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J Man
12-03-2014, 12:50 AM
Post your Eurogenes K13 results here. This calculator seems to have a very accurate Oracle especially the 4-ancestors Oracle. Indeed it may be the very best Oracle out there overall I think. Here are my results below.

Population
North_Atlantic 37.20%
Baltic 27.20%
West_Med 11.37%
West_Asian 7.31%
East_Med 9.84%
Red_Sea 1.40%
South_Asian 1.31%
East_Asian 0.40%
Siberian 1.53%
Amerindian 1.17%
Oceanian 1.15%
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.11%


Oracle:

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Austrian 4.64
2 Hungarian 6.12
3 East_German 6.52
4 West_German 7.62
5 South_Dutch 9.25
6 North_German 10.16
7 Serbian 11.21
8 Croatian 12.19
9 French 12.64
10 Danish 12.68
11 Swedish 13.05
12 Moldavian 13.05
13 North_Dutch 13.05
14 Southeast_English 13.35
15 North_Swedish 13.72
16 Orcadian 14.26
17 Norwegian 14.27
18 South_Polish 14.8
19 Romanian 14.84
20 Irish 15.33

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 67.3% North_Swedish + 32.7% Italian_Abruzzo @ 1.53
2 71.7% North_Swedish + 28.3% South_Italian @ 1.73
3 69.5% North_Swedish + 30.5% Central_Greek @ 2.06
4 70.1% North_Swedish + 29.9% East_Sicilian @ 2.26
5 68.7% North_Swedish + 31.3% West_Sicilian @ 2.27
6 53.3% Swedish + 46.7% Romanian @ 2.31
7 58% Swedish + 42% Bulgarian @ 2.39
8 52.6% North_German + 47.4% Serbian @ 2.57
9 56.4% Hungarian + 43.6% West_German @ 2.63
10 65.7% Swedish + 34.3% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.63
11 56.3% Serbian + 43.7% Norwegian @ 2.65
12 74.3% North_Swedish + 25.7% Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.67
13 53.3% Serbian + 46.7% Danish @ 2.68
14 54% Serbian + 46% Swedish @ 2.77
15 74.4% North_Swedish + 25.6% Italian_Jewish @ 2.77
16 77.5% North_Swedish + 22.5% Cyprian @ 2.8
17 64.6% North_Swedish + 35.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.81
18 51% Norwegian + 49% Romanian @ 2.85
19 54% Serbian + 46% North_Dutch @ 2.93
20 59.9% North_German + 40.1% Romanian @ 2.94


Oracle 4-ancestors:

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Austrian @ 4.952848
2 Hungarian @ 6.874353
3 East_German @ 7.222259
4 West_German @ 8.609315
5 South_Dutch @ 10.442238
6 North_German @ 11.654239
7 Serbian @ 12.815403
8 Croatian @ 13.861488
9 French @ 14.154111
10 Danish @ 14.581594
11 Moldavian @ 14.947778
12 North_Dutch @ 15.046827
13 Swedish @ 15.061296
14 Southeast_English @ 15.328060
15 North_Swedish @ 15.700059
16 Orcadian @ 16.450356
17 Norwegian @ 16.463717
18 South_Polish @ 16.735041
19 Romanian @ 17.040255
20 Irish @ 17.676052

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Romanian +50% Swedish @ 2.597715


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Danish +25% Finnish +25% South_Italian @ 1.493063


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Finnish + North_German + Norwegian + South_Italian @ 1.302217
2 Danish + Finnish + North_German + South_Italian @ 1.303737
3 Danish + East_Sicilian + Finnish + North_German @ 1.422701
4 Danish + Finnish + South_Italian + Swedish @ 1.425047
5 Finnish + North_Dutch + North_German + South_Italian @ 1.471302
6 Central_Greek + Danish + Finnish + North_German @ 1.473467
7 Danish + Danish + Finnish + South_Italian @ 1.493063
8 Central_Greek + Danish + Danish + Finnish @ 1.512401
9 Central_Greek + Finnish + North_German + Southeast_English @ 1.543911
10 Finnish + Italian_Abruzzo + Swedish + West_German @ 1.545147
11 Danish + Finnish + Norwegian + South_Italian @ 1.555235
12 Danish + East_Finnish + North_Dutch + South_Italian @ 1.555270
13 Finnish + North_German + North_German + West_Sicilian @ 1.555923
14 Danish + Danish + East_Sicilian + Finnish @ 1.561838
15 Finnish + North_Dutch + South_Italian + Swedish @ 1.571645
16 Central_Greek + Finnish + North_German + Orcadian @ 1.574414
17 East_Sicilian + Finnish + North_Dutch + North_German @ 1.576478
18 Danish + Danish + East_Finnish + South_Italian @ 1.579180
19 Ashkenazi + Finnish + Irish + North_German @ 1.582192
20 North_German + South_Italian + Southwest_Finnish + Swedish @ 1.584966

Gray Fox
12-03-2014, 01:05 AM
I tried to perform an update for my run, but gedmatch seems to be acting up or something. It wouldn't let me view my oracle read-outs. Anyways, from what I was able to see it looks virtually the same.

Admix Results (sorted):


#Population Percent

1 North_Atlantic 47.61
2 Baltic 22.28
3 West_Med 16.13
4 West_Asian 7.70
5 South_Asian 2.36
6 Red_Sea 1.33
7 East_Med 1.03

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Southwest_English @ 5.769258
2 Dutch @ 6.415807
3 Irish @ 6.616638
4 Southeast_English @ 6.711864
5 Orcadian @ 6.731988
6 West_Scottish @ 7.417046
7 German @ 7.518755
8 Danish @ 7.674846
9 Norwegian @ 10.323995
10 Swedish @ 11.718954
11 French @ 12.582569
12 North_Swedish @ 17.826942
13 Austrian @ 19.209740
14 Spanish_Cataluna @ 20.152802
15 Southwest_French @ 20.465837
16 Hungarian @ 20.546690
17 Spanish_Cantabria @ 21.165712
18 Spanish_Galicia @ 21.258076
19 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 21.362055
20 Portuguese @ 22.075689

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% German +50% Southwest_English @ 5.008457


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% Spanish_Cantabria +25% Swedish @ 4.387656


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Irish + Irish + Spanish_Cantabria + Swedish @ 4.387656
2 Irish + Irish + Norwegian + Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.414229
3 Irish + Irish + Southwest_French + Swedish @ 4.429735
4 Irish + Irish + Norwegian + Spanish_Galicia @ 4.447071
5 Irish + Irish + Norwegian + Southwest_French @ 4.451761
6 Irish + Irish + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Swedish @ 4.536065
7 Irish + Irish + Irish + Spanish_Galicia @ 4.561359
8 Irish + Irish + Spanish_Galicia + Swedish @ 4.561670
9 Irish + Irish + Norwegian + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.562143
10 Dutch + Irish + Irish + Southwest_French @ 4.572284
11 Irish + Spanish_Cantabria + Swedish + West_Scottish @ 4.602512
12 Dutch + French + Irish + Irish @ 4.609808
13 Irish + Irish + Norwegian + Spanish_Extremadura @ 4.621201
14 Dutch + Irish + Norwegian + Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.629564
15 French + Irish + Irish + Irish @ 4.630970
16 Irish + Irish + Spanish_Andalucia + Swedish @ 4.631210
17 Irish + Southwest_French + Swedish + West_Scottish @ 4.634549
18 Irish + Irish + Norwegian + Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.640549
19 Dutch + Irish + Irish + Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.647975
20 Irish + Irish + Irish + Southwest_French @ 4.651792

SwampThing27
12-03-2014, 01:50 AM
Sam, you and I seem to be a pretty similar mix of ancestries.

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 47.34
2 Baltic 21.20
3 West_Med 14.39
4 West_Asian 5.59
5 East_Med 4.50
6 South_Asian 3.25
7 Sub-Saharan 1.27

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Southeast_English @ 4.823751

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Southwest_English +50% West_German @ 3.090842

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Danish + Danish + Irish + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.605803
2 Danish + Danish + Irish + Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.637768
3 Danish + Danish + Spanish_Galicia + West_Scottish @ 2.640736
4 Irish + North_German + Spanish_Galicia + West_Scottish @ 2.654995
5 Irish + Irish + North_German + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.655678
6 Danish + Danish + Spanish_Extremadura + West_Scottish @ 2.677789
7 Danish + North_German + Spanish_Galicia + West_Scottish @ 2.697707
8 North_German + Spanish_Galicia + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.700408
9 Danish + Irish + Irish + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.707652
10 North_German + Orcadian + Spanish_Galicia + West_Scottish @ 2.747674
11 Irish + North_German + Orcadian + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.753246
12 Danish + Irish + Orcadian + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.757754
13 Danish + North_German + Spanish_Extremadura + West_Scottish @ 2.771079
14 Danish + Irish + North_German + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.774471
15 Danish + Irish + Spanish_Galicia + West_Scottish @ 2.778733
16 Danish + Danish + Orcadian + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.803632
17 Danish + Danish + Irish + Portuguese @ 2.812011
18 Danish + Danish + Orcadian + Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.815206
19 Irish + North_German + Portuguese + West_Scottish @ 2.819304
20 Irish + Irish + North_German + Portuguese @ 2.828061

Gray Fox
12-03-2014, 06:14 AM
Yep, I can't disagree there. I guess we're pretty much our own ethnicity. Derived from western Europe, but having no specific preference to any one nation. The "American" one that so many of our forefathers chose to describe themselves as. I'm guessing you're either from the Appalachian region or you're not far removed from it.

Here's a bit more info for anyone who may want to know more about the "American" ethnicity I'm talking about. Kentucky reports the highest percentage of people identifying as such. I think of it as a relic of Colonial times.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_ethnicity

BalkanKiwi
12-03-2014, 07:21 AM
# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 42.57
2 Baltic 25.89
3 West_Med 13.16
4 East_Med 10.07
5 West_Asian 5.01
6 Oceanian 1.28
7 South_Asian 1.08

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 West_German @ 4.702141

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Hungarian +50% Southeast_English @ 3.493868


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Danish +25% North_Swedish +25% Tuscan @ 2.837906


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Danish + Southeast_English + Southwest_Finnish + Tuscan @ 2.725319
2 North_Swedish + Southeast_English + Swedish + Tuscan @ 2.805912
3 Greek_Thessaly + North_Swedish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 2.812797
4 Danish + Danish + North_Swedish + Tuscan @ 2.837906
5 Danish + Greek_Thessaly + North_Swedish + Southeast_English @ 2.840524
6 North_Dutch + Southeast_English + Southwest_Finnish + Tuscan @ 2.863221
7 Danish + North_German + North_Swedish + Tuscan @ 2.865245
8 Greek_Thessaly + North_Dutch + North_Swedish + Southeast_English @ 2.909717
9 North_German + North_Swedish + Southeast_English + Tuscan @ 2.929839
10 Danish + Serbian + Southeast_English + West_German @ 2.946763
11 Bulgarian + North_Swedish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 2.961788
12 Bulgarian + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Swedish @ 2.962308
13 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southwest_Finnish + Tuscan @ 2.963861
14 Greek_Thessaly + North_Swedish + Orcadian + Southeast_English @ 2.972533
15 Danish + North_Dutch + North_Swedish + Tuscan @ 2.975515
16 North_Dutch + North_German + North_Swedish + Tuscan @ 2.991624
17 Greek_Thessaly + Southeast_English + Swedish + Swedish @ 2.998175
18 Greek_Thessaly + North_Swedish + Norwegian + Southeast_English @ 2.998987
19 Hungarian + Southeast_English + West_German + West_German @ 3.011773
20 North_Swedish + Southeast_English + Swedish + West_Sicilian @ 3.019982

Salkin
12-03-2014, 08:19 AM
This calculator seems to have a very accurate Oracle especially the 4-ancestors Oracle. Indeed it may be the very best Oracle out there overall I think.

K13 is certainly not bad. Personally I'm a fan of MDLP K23b, though.

Anyhow:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 50.02
2 Baltic 29.45
3 West_Med 10.28
4 West_Asian 2.49
5 South_Asian 2.48
6 East_Med 2.30
7 Amerindian 1.45
8 Red_Sea 1.27

Oracle result is not unreasonable, I do pull west a bit by geography:

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Norwegian @ 4.224010
2 Swedish @ 4.481297
3 Danish @ 4.764377
4 North_Dutch @ 5.196805
5 North_German @ 6.307181
6 Orcadian @ 6.592009
7 Irish @ 7.526350
8 West_Scottish @ 7.986863
9 Southeast_English @ 8.260217
10 Southwest_English @ 9.581342
11 North_Swedish @ 10.098589
12 South_Dutch @ 12.406064
13 West_German @ 13.353765
14 East_German @ 14.808970
15 Austrian @ 15.652830
16 French @ 18.956570
17 Southwest_Finnish @ 19.228531
18 Hungarian @ 20.325361
19 South_Polish @ 23.905819
20 La_Brana-1 @ 25.257757

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% North_Swedish +50% West_Scottish @ 3.535265


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Danish +25% North_Swedish +25% West_Scottish @ 3.476903


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 North_Swedish + Norwegian + Norwegian + Southeast_English @ 3.368639
2 North_Swedish + Southeast_English + Swedish + West_Scottish @ 3.371141
3 Danish + Southwest_Finnish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.380480
4 Danish + North_Swedish + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 3.401452
5 Danish + North_Swedish + Norwegian + Orcadian @ 3.411516
6 Danish + North_Swedish + Swedish + West_Scottish @ 3.415765
7 Danish + North_Swedish + Norwegian + Southeast_English @ 3.422984
8 North_Swedish + Orcadian + Swedish + West_Scottish @ 3.432502
9 Danish + North_Swedish + Southwest_English + Swedish @ 3.438003
10 Danish + North_Swedish + Norwegian + Southwest_English @ 3.460311
11 North_Swedish + Norwegian + Norwegian + Southwest_English @ 3.468610
12 North_Swedish + Swedish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.474497
13 Danish + Danish + North_Swedish + West_Scottish @ 3.476903
14 Irish + North_Swedish + Southeast_English + Swedish @ 3.482866
15 Norwegian + Southwest_Finnish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.489927
16 North_Swedish + Orcadian + Southeast_English + Swedish @ 3.490460
17 North_Swedish + Norwegian + Southwest_English + Swedish @ 3.491518
18 North_Swedish + Orcadian + Orcadian + Swedish @ 3.500041
19 North_Swedish + North_Swedish + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 3.502298
20 Southwest_Finnish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.506911

BalkanKiwi
12-03-2014, 09:06 AM
# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 42.57
2 Baltic 25.89
3 West_Med 13.16
4 East_Med 10.07
5 West_Asian 5.01
6 Oceanian 1.28
7 South_Asian 1.08

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 West_German @ 4.702141

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Hungarian +50% Southeast_English @ 3.493868


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Danish +25% North_Swedish +25% Tuscan @ 2.837906


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Danish + Southeast_English + Southwest_Finnish + Tuscan @ 2.725319
2 North_Swedish + Southeast_English + Swedish + Tuscan @ 2.805912
3 Greek_Thessaly + North_Swedish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 2.812797
4 Danish + Danish + North_Swedish + Tuscan @ 2.837906
5 Danish + Greek_Thessaly + North_Swedish + Southeast_English @ 2.840524
6 North_Dutch + Southeast_English + Southwest_Finnish + Tuscan @ 2.863221
7 Danish + North_German + North_Swedish + Tuscan @ 2.865245
8 Greek_Thessaly + North_Dutch + North_Swedish + Southeast_English @ 2.909717
9 North_German + North_Swedish + Southeast_English + Tuscan @ 2.929839
10 Danish + Serbian + Southeast_English + West_German @ 2.946763
11 Bulgarian + North_Swedish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 2.961788
12 Bulgarian + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Swedish @ 2.962308
13 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southwest_Finnish + Tuscan @ 2.963861
14 Greek_Thessaly + North_Swedish + Orcadian + Southeast_English @ 2.972533
15 Danish + North_Dutch + North_Swedish + Tuscan @ 2.975515
16 North_Dutch + North_German + North_Swedish + Tuscan @ 2.991624
17 Greek_Thessaly + Southeast_English + Swedish + Swedish @ 2.998175
18 Greek_Thessaly + North_Swedish + Norwegian + Southeast_English @ 2.998987
19 Hungarian + Southeast_English + West_German + West_German @ 3.011773
20 North_Swedish + Southeast_English + Swedish + West_Sicilian @ 3.019982

I struggle to fit my known ancestry in the 4 Oracle, which is Croatian, Polish, English, Maori, English Scottish, Irish and Welsh. Any thoughts would be good. MDLP seems a bit more accurate, for me anyway.

Wulf Warrior
12-03-2014, 09:34 AM
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 49.46
2 Baltic 24.27
3 West_Med 11.74
4 West_Asian 6.70
5 East_Med 3.17
6 Red_Sea 1.64


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 North_Dutch @ 2.828389
2 Orcadian @ 3.263492
3 Irish @ 3.622906
4 Danish @ 3.737880
5 Southeast_English @ 4.397028
6 West_Scottish @ 4.474055
7 North_German @ 4.564821
8 Southwest_English @ 5.246136
9 Norwegian @ 5.520878
10 Swedish @ 7.825533
11 South_Dutch @ 7.996568
12 West_German @ 9.082438
13 French @ 14.509717
14 North_Swedish @ 14.595860
15 Austrian @ 14.733749
16 East_German @ 15.212948
17 Hungarian @ 19.976974
18 Spanish_Cataluna @ 22.894800
19 Southwest_Finnish @ 23.635500
20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 24.055273

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% North_German +50% Southwest_English @ 1.954841


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% Norwegian +25% West_German @ 1.510784


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Irish + Irish + Norwegian + West_German @ 1.510784
2 Irish + Norwegian + West_German + West_Scottish @ 1.560944
3 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + West_German @ 1.584084
4 Irish + North_Dutch + West_German + West_Scottish @ 1.648800
5 Irish + Swedish + West_German + West_Scottish @ 1.717563
6 Irish + North_Dutch + North_Dutch + South_Dutch @ 1.722819
7 Norwegian + West_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 1.724547
8 Irish + North_German + South_Dutch + West_Scottish @ 1.731112
9 Swedish + West_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 1.732569
10 North_Dutch + North_Dutch + West_German + West_Scottish @ 1.735759
11 Irish + North_Dutch + North_Dutch + West_German @ 1.746061
12 Irish + Irish + North_German + South_Dutch @ 1.747600
13 Irish + North_Dutch + Norwegian + West_German @ 1.751143
14 Irish + Irish + Norwegian + South_Dutch @ 1.762921
15 Irish + North_German + West_German + West_Scottish @ 1.766382
16 North_German + North_German + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 1.770553
17 North_German + West_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 1.773039
18 Irish + North_German + North_German + Southwest_English @ 1.775477
19 North_Dutch + Norwegian + West_German + West_Scottish @ 1.776752
20 North_Dutch + North_Dutch + South_Dutch + West_Scottish @ 1.778400

Tolan
12-03-2014, 09:41 AM
Generally, calculators give me often French or then German, Belgian or South dutch ...
Before doing DNA testing, I would rather be between French and British according to the location of my ancestors (NW France).
But no! Rather France / Central Europe..

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 41.38
2 Baltic 22.95
3 West_Med 19.27
4 East_Med 9.22
5 West_Asian 3.96
6 South_Asian 1.67
7 Red_Sea 0.85
8 Northeast_African 0.5
9 Oceanian 0.21

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Dutch 5.08
2 West_German 5.2
3 French 5.51
4 Austrian 8.87
5 Southeast_English 10.01
6 East_German 10.34
7 Southwest_English 11.48
8 North_German 11.48
9 Spanish_Cataluna 11.84
10 Orcadian 12.18
11 Danish 12.51
12 North_Dutch 12.55
13 Spanish_Galicia 12.63
14 Portuguese 12.96
15 Hungarian 12.97
16 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 13.13
17 Irish 13.35
18 Southwest_French 13.48
19 West_Scottish 13.74
20 Spanish_Cantabria 13.91



Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 62% East_German + 38% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.07
2 78.1% North_German + 21.9% Sardinian @ 2.19
3 53.5% East_German + 46.5% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.26
4 67% French + 33% East_German @ 2.42
5 86.7% French + 13.3% Lithuanian @ 2.48
6 66% Austrian + 34% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.5
7 85.6% French + 14.4% Estonian @ 2.56
8 83% French + 17% Polish @ 2.57
9 66.6% Spanish_Cataluna + 33.4% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.6
10 85.1% French + 14.9% Estonian_Polish @ 2.62
11 85.2% French + 14.8% Belorussian @ 2.64
12 81.2% French + 18.8% South_Polish @ 2.66
13 82.6% French + 17.4% Ukrainian @ 2.69
14 58.6% East_German + 41.4% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.69
15 55.7% Spanish_Valencia + 44.3% North_Swedish @ 2.71
16 59.9% East_German + 40.1% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.72
17 85.1% French + 14.9% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.72
18 56.3% East_German + 43.7% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.75
19 60.6% Spanish_Cataluna + 39.4% North_Swedish @ 2.75
20 74% Austrian + 26% French_Basque @ 2.8

tchekitchek
12-04-2014, 02:44 AM
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 44.71
2 West_Med 17.99
3 Baltic 17.65
4 East_Med 9.76
5 West_Asian 5.43
6 South_Asian 1.88
7 Red_Sea 1.84
8 Amerindian 0.39
9 Oceanian 0.35

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 French 2.68
2 South_Dutch 5.15
3 West_German 5.74
4 Southeast_English 9.12
5 Spanish_Cataluna 9.85
6 Southwest_English 10.01
7 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 11.21
8 Spanish_Galicia 11.44
9 Portuguese 11.44
10 Orcadian 11.61
11 North_German 12.33
12 Irish 12.37
13 Spanish_Cantabria 12.39
14 West_Scottish 12.42
15 Spanish_Murcia 12.51
16 North_Dutch 12.59
17 Spanish_Valencia 12.63
18 Danish 12.69
19 Southwest_French 12.71
20 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 13.04

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 80.3% French + 19.7% Southeast_English @ 1.51
2 84.9% French + 15.1% West_Scottish @ 1.52
3 57.4% West_Scottish + 42.6% North_Italian @ 1.53
4 68.9% Southwest_English + 31.1% Tuscan @ 1.55
5 85.1% French + 14.9% Irish @ 1.6
6 82.2% French + 17.8% Southwest_English @ 1.61
7 84.6% French + 15.4% Orcadian @ 1.67
8 86% French + 14% Danish @ 1.72
9 62.7% Southwest_English + 37.3% North_Italian @ 1.75
10 86.2% French + 13.8% North_Dutch @ 1.78

Krefter
12-04-2014, 03:24 AM
I'm not aware of any French in my ancestry, but my mix(Latino, Norway, England, Switzerland, Germany) makes me look like a French-man with a little native American and west African.

I'm practically a 20th century recreation of French. My various 20th century European ancestors are similar to the bronze age people who mixed to create French.

Ancient genomes have revealed that all the pieces that makeup the gene pool of west Europe today first started to mix with each other in the bronze age(not very long ago).

Me and French indirectly received the same ratio of ancestry from the same bronze age populations.

North Atlantic 41.25
Baltic 19.58
West Med 17.82
East Med 10.68
West Asian 3.89
South Asian 1.45
Red Sea 0.48
Northeast African 0
Oceanian 0.89
Amerindian 2.67
Sub Saharan 1.22
Siberian 0.07
East Asian 0

97.7%French+2.3%Karitiana 3.77

jeanL
12-04-2014, 05:00 AM
Here is something that has been bugging me for a while.

My paternal grandmother who has 7/16 confirmed Great-Great Grandparents born in the Canary Islands (4-in Santa Cruz de Tenerife, 2-Las Palmas de Gran Canaria, and 1 just says the Canary Islands). Her 23andme scores shows the following nonEuropean components in her:

https://www.23andme.com/published/ancestry/composition/d9f4e0cdbb39d545/032eb6d9c74bd69f/

5.2% East Asian & Native American

4.6% Native American

0.7% Broadly East Asian & Native American


2.6% Middle Eastern & North African

2.2% North African

0.4% Broadly Middle Eastern & North African


1.6% Sub-Saharan African

1.5% West African

0.1% Broadly Sub-Saharan African


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Dr.McDonalds gave her the following breakdown:

Most likely fit is 80.4% (+- 3.1%) Europe (all Western Europe)

and 3.9% (+- 0.5%) America (various subcontinents)

and 15.7% (+- 3.5%) Mideast (all North Africa)

But he also mentioned that the Native American was closer to 5% than to 4%.

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Now on K13 she gets the following scores:

Admix Results (sorted):


# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 33.46
2 West_Med 26.34
3 East_Med 13.41
4 Baltic 8.44
5 Amerindian 4.11
6 West_Asian 4.08
7 Sub-Saharan 3.65
8 Red_Sea 2.83
9 Northeast_African 2
10 Siberian 1.22
11 Oceanian 0.26
12 East_Asian 0.21

If add up the Amerindian 4.11%, Siberian 1.22% Oceanian 0.26% and East Asian 0.21% we get 5.8%, which is not too far from her 5.2% East Asian/Native American from 23andme. Yet in here her Sub-Saharan African score here(3.65%) is more than twice what it is in 23andme (1.6%), and McDonalds didn't give her any, instead gave her a substantial amount of North African, which is expected given her background. Even after adding up all the African in 23andme 2.6% North African/Middle Eastern and 1.6% Sub-Saharan one gets 4.2%, yet in here she is 5.65% between North East African(2.00%) and SubSaharan(3.65%). Yet when I run her on a calculator that includes North African like K36 she gets the following scores:

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K36
Population
Amerindian 3.53%
Arabian -
Armenian 1.53%
Basque 5.11%
Central_African -
Central_Euro 3.28%
East_African -
East_Asian 0.28%
East_Balkan 0.91%
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro -
East_Med 5.13%
Eastern_Euro 2.42%
Fennoscandian 4.53%
French 6.22%
Iberian 23.39%
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 8.61%
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 4.02%
North_African 7.71%
North_Atlantic 6.15%
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea 7.21%
Northeast_African 1.41%
Oceanian -
Omotic 0.37%
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African 1.83%
West_Caucasian -
West_Med 6.34%

1.83% West African+0.37% Omotic+1.41% Northeast African=3.61% Sub-Saharan African, and 7.71% North African.

I'm wondering if her African score varies so much between 23andme and Eurogenes K13 because she has 1.6% Sub-Saharan African and 2.6% North African when compared to modern day Iberians, but since some Iberians do score both North African and Sub-Saharan African in Eurogenes, then that's why her score are inflated. This would make sense, since 23andme I would assume uses only Iberians from the Iberian Peninsula and not of Canary Islanders, because the people from the Canary Islands that I'm sharing with all have Sub-Saharan African in the order of 1.3%-3.6% per 23andme, and North African in the order of 4.4%-6.9%. Let me know what you guys think.

jeanL
12-04-2014, 05:17 AM
For completion here is my Paternal grandmother's Oracle results:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 94.5% Spanish_Extremadura + 5.5% North_Amerindian @ 4.31
2 95.1% Spanish_Extremadura + 4.9% Mayan @ 4.49
3 95.3% Spanish_Extremadura + 4.7% Pima @ 4.56
4 93.5% Spanish_Extremadura + 6.5% East_Greenlander @ 4.6
5 95.9% Spanish_Extremadura + 4.1% Karitiana @ 4.68
6 93% Spanish_Extremadura + 7% West_Greenlander @ 4.71
7 93.4% Spanish_Andalucia + 6.6% North_Amerindian @ 4.93
8 94.1% Spanish_Andalucia + 5.9% Mayan @ 5.1
9 94.3% Spanish_Andalucia + 5.7% Pima @ 5.13
10 94.9% Spanish_Andalucia + 5.1% Karitiana @ 5.28
11 91.5% Spanish_Andalucia + 8.5% West_Greenlander @ 5.38
12 95.5% Spanish_Extremadura + 4.5% Bantu_N.E. @ 5.4
13 94.4% Portuguese + 5.6% North_Amerindian @ 5.4
14 95.4% Spanish_Extremadura + 4.6% Mbuti_Pygmy @ 5.41
15 94.7% Spanish_Extremadura + 5.3% Chukchi @ 5.41
16 94.9% Portuguese + 5.1% Mayan @ 5.42
17 95.2% Spanish_Extremadura + 4.8% San @ 5.42
18 95.6% Spanish_Extremadura + 4.4% Luhya @ 5.43
19 95.8% Spanish_Extremadura + 4.2% Biaka_Pygmy @ 5.46
20 96.1% Spanish_Extremadura + 3.9% Bantu_S.E. @ 5.5

Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Spanish_Extremadura @ 6.937407
2 Portuguese @ 7.839099
3 Spanish_Andalucia @ 8.235271
4 Spanish_Murcia @ 8.487556
5 Spanish_Galicia @ 8.647807
6 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 9.519034
7 Spanish_Valencia @ 9.662611
8 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 9.692271
9 North_Italian @ 9.825483
10 Spanish_Cataluna @ 10.404212
11 Spanish_Cantabria @ 11.293381
12 Spanish_Aragon @ 12.632421
13 Southwest_French @ 13.501537
14 Tuscan @ 15.223867
15 French @ 15.948436
16 West_Sicilian @ 21.800529
17 West_German @ 22.057985
18 South_Dutch @ 22.361317
19 Italian_Abruzzo @ 22.744127
20 Romanian @ 22.992754

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% North_Italian +50% Spanish_Extremadura @ 6.840504


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% French_Basque +25% Romanian +25% Tunisian @ 5.040092


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Bulgarian + French_Basque + French_Basque + Tunisian @ 4.992181
2 French_Basque + French_Basque + Romanian + Tunisian @ 5.040092
3 Algerian + Bulgarian + French_Basque + French_Basque @ 5.110435
4 Bulgarian + French_Basque + French_Basque + Mozabite_Berber @ 5.200157
5 French_Basque + Mozabite_Berber + Romanian + Spanish_Aragon @ 5.215613
6 Algerian + French_Basque + French_Basque + Romanian @ 5.274989
7 French_Basque + Mozabite_Berber + North_Italian + West_German @ 5.342832
8 French + French_Basque + Mozabite_Berber + North_Italian @ 5.356366
9 French_Basque + French_Basque + Mozabite_Berber + Romanian @ 5.363987
10 Algerian + French_Basque + Romanian + Spanish_Aragon @ 5.392633
11 French_Basque + Mozabite_Berber + Romanian + Spanish_Cantabria @ 5.413750
12 French_Basque + Mozabite_Berber + North_Italian + South_Dutch @ 5.432806
13 French_Basque + Mozabite_Berber + Romanian + Southwest_French @ 5.465751
14 Bulgarian + French_Basque + Mozabite_Berber + Spanish_Aragon @ 5.477068
15 French_Basque + Mozabite_Berber + Serbian + Spanish_Aragon @ 5.490904
16 French_Basque + Mozabite_Berber + Romanian + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 5.495447
17 French_Basque + Spanish_Andalucia + Tunisian + West_German @ 5.539230
18 Algerian + French_Basque + Romanian + Spanish_Cantabria @ 5.540387
19 Algerian + French_Basque + Romanian + Southwest_French @ 5.564721
20 French + Mozabite_Berber + Southwest_French + Spanish_Andalucia @ 5.568510

Isidro
12-04-2014, 08:18 AM
J Man is right. it is the most accurate for me:

Admix Results (sorted):



#
Population
Percent


1
North_Atlantic
41.83


2
West_Med
26.16


3
East_Med
14.67


4
Baltic
12.50


5
West_Asian
1.54


6
Red_Sea
1.43






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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.560217
2 Spanish_Valencia @ 2.999389
3 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.646078
4 Spanish_Murcia @ 4.201438
5 Portuguese @ 4.577113
6 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 5.090661
7 Spanish_Galicia @ 5.632283
8 Spanish_Cantabria @ 5.662181
9 Spanish_Extremadura @ 5.858706
10 Spanish_Andalucia @ 6.511233
11 Spanish_Aragon @ 6.645396
12 Southwest_French @ 7.481587
13 French @ 10.216812
14 North_Italian @ 12.643009
15 South_Dutch @ 16.928951
16 West_German @ 17.266508
17 Tuscan @ 19.684229
18 French_Basque @ 19.756128
19 Southeast_English @ 21.081686
20 Southwest_English @ 21.779182

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Spanish_Cataluna +50% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.201773


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Spanish_Cataluna +25% Spanish_Valencia +25% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.201773


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 French + Spanish_Valencia + Spanish_Valencia + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.103883
2 Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Valencia + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.201773
3 Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.235983
4 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.282635
5 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Valencia + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.340690
6 French + Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Valencia + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.379569
7 Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.396729
8 French + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Valencia + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.409250
9 Portuguese + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.445598
10 Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.490546
11 Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Valencia + Spanish_Valencia + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.494975
12 French + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Valencia + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.497229
13 French + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Spanish_Valencia + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.529400
14 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.533741
15 Portuguese + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Valencia + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.542296
16 French + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Valencia + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.554846
17 Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.560217
18 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.578112
19 Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Valencia + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.621267
20 Portuguese + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.665639

Jessie
01-15-2015, 06:10 AM
Mine

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 52.04
2 Baltic 25.27
3 West_Med 9.81
4 West_Asian 7.25
5 East_Med 1.77
6 Red_Sea 1.5
7 Amerindian 1.38
8 Siberian 0.75
9 Oceanian 0.24

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Dutch 3.04
2 Irish 3.1
3 Norwegian 3.6
4 West_Scottish 3.61
5 Orcadian 3.82
6 Danish 3.86
7 North_German 5.45
8 Southeast_English 6.09
9 Southwest_English 6.26
10 Swedish 6.5
11 South_Dutch 10.22
12 West_German 11.04
13 North_Swedish 12.82
14 Austrian 15.29
15 East_German 15.45
16 French 15.89
17 Hungarian 19.56
18 Southwest_Finnish 21.09
19 Spanish_Cataluna 23.25
20 South_Polish 24.17

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 57.1% Irish + 42.9% Norwegian @ 2.28
2 50.1% Norwegian + 49.9% West_Scottish @ 2.33
3 77.2% Irish + 22.8% Swedish @ 2.54
4 51.6% North_Dutch + 48.4% Irish @ 2.56
5 70.2% West_Scottish + 29.8% Swedish @ 2.58
6 61.6% North_Dutch + 38.4% West_Scottish @ 2.6
7 88.2% Irish + 11.8% North_Swedish @ 2.61
8 94.4% Irish + 5.6% Finnish @ 2.67
9 94.5% Irish + 5.5% La_Brana-1 @ 2.68
10 93.4% Irish + 6.6% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.72
11 95.3% Irish + 4.7% East_Finnish @ 2.72
12 76.2% Irish + 23.8% North_German @ 2.72
13 66.7% West_Scottish + 33.3% North_German @ 2.74
14 96.7% Irish + 3.3% Chuvash @ 2.74
15 84.2% West_Scottish + 15.8% North_Swedish @ 2.75
16 65.5% Irish + 34.5% Danish @ 2.75
17 92% West_Scottish + 8% Finnish @ 2.77
18 97.1% Irish + 2.9% Mari @ 2.78
19 95.4% Irish + 4.6% Estonian @ 2.79
20 96.4% Irish + 3.6% Erzya @ 2.8


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +50% Norwegian @ 2.522953


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% Norwegian +25% Norwegian @ 2.522953


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Irish + Norwegian + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 2.519424
2 Irish + Irish + Norwegian + Norwegian @ 2.522953
3 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + Norwegian @ 2.540311
4 Irish + North_Dutch + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 2.548502
5 Norwegian + Norwegian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.564251
6 North_Dutch + Norwegian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.622005
7 North_German + Norwegian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.648387
8 Irish + Irish + Irish + Norwegian @ 2.664680
9 Irish + North_German + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 2.680890
10 Danish + Irish + Irish + Norwegian @ 2.683445
11 Danish + Irish + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 2.695799
12 Irish + Irish + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 2.721051
13 North_Dutch + North_Dutch + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 2.729033
14 Danish + Norwegian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.747781
15 Irish + Irish + Swedish + West_Scottish @ 2.753577
16 Irish + Irish + North_German + Norwegian @ 2.764748
17 Irish + North_Dutch + North_Dutch + Norwegian @ 2.766720
18 North_Dutch + Norwegian + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 2.767802
19 Irish + Swedish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.767981
20 Irish + Irish + Irish + Swedish @ 2.775764

Mother

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 50.42
2 Baltic 23.81
3 West_Med 12.96
4 West_Asian 8.32
5 South_Asian 2.1
6 Amerindian 1.01
7 East_Med 0.49
8 Siberian 0.39
9 Red_Sea 0.29
10 Oceanian 0.15
11 Northeast_African 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Irish 2.76
2 Orcadian 3.73
3 West_Scottish 3.76
4 North_Dutch 4.54
5 Southwest_English 4.8
6 Danish 4.94
7 Southeast_English 5.39
8 Norwegian 5.93
9 North_German 6.02
10 Swedish 8.14
11 South_Dutch 8.68
12 West_German 9.74
13 French 14.08
14 North_Swedish 14.34
15 Austrian 14.51
16 East_German 14.7
17 Hungarian 19.12
18 Spanish_Cataluna 21.08
19 Southwest_French 21.79
20 Southwest_Finnish 22.21

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 96.2% Irish + 3.8% Kalash @ 1.5
2 96.6% Irish + 3.4% Balochi @ 1.56
3 96.7% Irish + 3.3% Brahui @ 1.58
4 96.4% Irish + 3.6% Burusho @ 1.59
5 96% Irish + 4% Afghan_Pashtun @ 1.63
6 96.5% Irish + 3.5% Pathan @ 1.66
7 96.4% Irish + 3.6% Punjabi_Jat @ 1.69
8 96.8% Irish + 3.2% Sindhi @ 1.71
9 95.7% Irish + 4.3% Tadjik @ 1.71
10 96.8% Irish + 3.2% Makrani @ 1.72
11 96.1% Irish + 3.9% Afghan_Tadjik @ 1.77
12 96.1% Irish + 3.9% Kabardin @ 1.79
13 96.3% Irish + 3.7% Ossetian @ 1.8
14 96.2% Irish + 3.8% Balkar @ 1.81
15 96.3% Irish + 3.7% North_Ossetian @ 1.81
16 96% Irish + 4% Chechen @ 1.82
17 95.9% Irish + 4.1% Tabassaran @ 1.82
18 96.4% Irish + 3.6% Adygei @ 1.86
19 96.2% Irish + 3.8% Lezgin @ 1.89
20 97.2% Irish + 2.8% Gujarati @ 1.91

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +50% Irish @ 3.143407


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% Irish +25% North_German @ 3.119535


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Irish + Irish + Irish + North_German @ 3.119535
2 Irish + Irish + Irish + Irish @ 3.143407
3 Irish + Irish + North_German + West_Scottish @ 3.258338
4 Irish + Irish + North_German + Southwest_English @ 3.268622
5 Irish + Irish + Irish + Orcadian @ 3.313056
6 Danish + Irish + Irish + Irish @ 3.342844
7 Irish + Irish + Irish + North_Dutch @ 3.361933
8 Irish + Irish + Irish + West_Scottish @ 3.418522
9 Irish + Irish + North_German + Orcadian @ 3.421207
10 Irish + Irish + Irish + South_Dutch @ 3.421952
11 Irish + Irish + Irish + Southwest_English @ 3.440643
12 Irish + North_German + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 3.449418
13 Irish + North_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.455079
14 Danish + Irish + Irish + Southwest_English @ 3.521304
15 Irish + Irish + Irish + West_German @ 3.539776
16 Danish + Irish + Irish + West_Scottish @ 3.549337
17 Irish + Irish + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 3.563988
18 Irish + Irish + Irish + Southeast_English @ 3.565748
19 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + Southwest_English @ 3.565993
20 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + West_Scottish @ 3.566914

Jessie
01-15-2015, 06:16 AM
Some of the mixed mode population sharing are quite strange on these. My brother is very close to Hinxton 4 on the K13. My daughter gets some Amerindian and Greenlander on this which is interesting but we are all Irish so I guess this is picking up something ancient?

Brother

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 51.51
2 Baltic 24.22
3 West_Med 12.51
4 West_Asian 8.6
5 South_Asian 1.63
6 Amerindian 1
7 East_Asian 0.3
8 Sub-Saharan 0.19
9 Red_Sea 0.02
10 East_Med 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Irish 2.61
2 West_Scottish 3.62
3 Orcadian 4.03
4 North_Dutch 4.63
5 Danish 5.12
6 Southwest_English 5.23
7 Norwegian 5.6
8 Southeast_English 5.99
9 North_German 6.48
10 Swedish 8.06
11 South_Dutch 9.78
12 West_German 10.81
13 North_Swedish 14.46
14 French 15.18
15 Austrian 15.38
16 East_German 15.49
17 Hungarian 19.97
18 Spanish_Cataluna 22.09
19 Southwest_Finnish 22.44
20 Southwest_French 22.75

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 97.4% Irish + 2.6% Kalash @ 2.03
2 97.6% Irish + 2.4% Balochi @ 2.05
3 97.7% Irish + 2.3% Brahui @ 2.07
4 97% Irish + 3% Tabassaran @ 2.11
5 97.6% Irish + 2.4% Burusho @ 2.14
6 97.3% Irish + 2.7% Afghan_Pashtun @ 2.14
7 97.2% Irish + 2.8% Chechen @ 2.15
8 97.7% Irish + 2.3% Punjabi_Jat @ 2.17
9 97.3% Irish + 2.7% Lezgin @ 2.17
10 97.5% Irish + 2.5% North_Ossetian @ 2.18
11 97.9% Irish + 2.1% Makrani @ 2.18
12 97.5% Irish + 2.5% Ossetian @ 2.18
13 97.4% Irish + 2.6% Kabardin @ 2.19
14 97.7% Irish + 2.3% Pathan @ 2.19
15 97.9% Irish + 2.1% Sindhi @ 2.2
16 97.2% Irish + 2.8% Tadjik @ 2.2
17 97.5% Irish + 2.5% Balkar @ 2.21
18 97.6% Irish + 2.4% Adygei @ 2.23
19 97.6% Irish + 2.4% Afghan_Tadjik @ 2.27
20 98.1% Irish + 1.9% Abhkasian @ 2.27

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +50% Irish @ 2.953441


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% Irish +25% Irish @ 2.953441


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Irish + Irish + Irish + Irish @ 2.953441
2 Irish + Irish + Irish + West_Scottish @ 3.223475
3 Irish + Irish + Irish + North_Dutch @ 3.278868
4 Irish + Irish + Irish + North_German @ 3.295299
5 Irish + Irish + Irish + Orcadian @ 3.296951
6 Danish + Irish + Irish + Irish @ 3.309850
7 Irish + Irish + Irish + Norwegian @ 3.312600
8 Irish + Irish + North_German + West_Scottish @ 3.415542
9 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + West_Scottish @ 3.468552
10 Irish + Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.503300
11 Irish + Irish + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 3.503497
12 Irish + Irish + Irish + Southwest_English @ 3.507485
13 Danish + Irish + Irish + West_Scottish @ 3.507721
14 Irish + Irish + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 3.550465
15 Irish + Irish + Norwegian + Southwest_English @ 3.573220
16 Irish + North_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.577136
17 Irish + Irish + Irish + Swedish @ 3.584926
18 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + Orcadian @ 3.669406
19 Irish + Irish + North_German + Southwest_English @ 3.675050
20 Irish + Irish + Norwegian + Orcadian @ 3.688866

Daughter

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 52.45
2 Baltic 21.08
3 West_Med 14.89
4 West_Asian 5.98
5 East_Med 1.74
6 Amerindian 1.42
7 Red_Sea 0.87
8 Siberian 0.6
9 South_Asian 0.57
10 Oceanian 0.38
11 Northeast_African 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southwest_English 2.3
2 West_Scottish 3.28
3 Irish 3.6
4 Orcadian 4.03
5 Southeast_English 4.37
6 North_Dutch 6.36
7 Danish 7.12
8 Norwegian 8.18
9 South_Dutch 8.59
10 North_German 8.77
11 West_German 10.11
12 Swedish 10.88
13 French 12.66
14 Austrian 16.43
15 East_German 16.93
16 North_Swedish 17.03
17 Spanish_Cataluna 18.89
18 Southwest_French 19.37
19 Spanish_Cantabria 19.92
20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 19.97

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 87.6% Irish + 12.4% French_Basque @ 1.29
2 88.9% West_Scottish + 11.1% French_Basque @ 1.45
3 88.5% West_Scottish + 11.5% Spanish_Aragon @ 1.75
4 87.5% West_Scottish + 12.5% Southwest_French @ 1.79
5 87.9% West_Scottish + 12.1% Spanish_Cantabria @ 1.82
6 98.9% Southwest_English + 1.1% Karitiana @ 1.86
7 98.7% Southwest_English + 1.3% North_Amerindian @ 1.87
8 98.8% Southwest_English + 1.2% Pima @ 1.87
9 98.8% Southwest_English + 1.2% Mayan @ 1.88
10 88.8% West_Scottish + 11.2% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.88
11 87.6% Irish + 12.4% Spanish_Aragon @ 1.93
12 94.9% West_Scottish + 5.1% Sardinian @ 1.94
13 89.8% West_Scottish + 10.2% Spanish_Andalucia @ 1.94
14 98.7% Southwest_English + 1.3% East_Greenlander @ 2.01
15 98.7% Southwest_English + 1.3% West_Greenlander @ 2.07
16 89.5% West_Scottish + 10.5% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.1
17 89.8% West_Scottish + 10.2% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.11
18 89.5% West_Scottish + 10.5% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.12
19 88.2% West_Scottish + 11.8% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.12
20 88.8% West_Scottish + 11.2% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.12

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Southwest_English +50% Southwest_English @ 2.324805


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Southwest_English +25% Southwest_English +25% West_Scottish @ 2.214156


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.214156
2 Irish + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.261267
3 Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.324805
4 Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.463472
5 Irish + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.506353
6 Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.548081
7 Irish + Irish + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.604744
8 Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.694502
9 Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.761277
10 Irish + Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.775503
11 Irish + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.817932
12 Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.827216
13 French_Basque + Irish + Norwegian + Norwegian @ 2.946300
14 Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.954555
15 Southeast_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.965321
16 French_Basque + Norwegian + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 2.968451
17 Irish + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.002059
18 Irish + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 3.031642
19 Orcadian + Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 3.043941
20 North_Dutch + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 3.048904

Gray Fox
01-15-2015, 07:11 PM
For comparisons sake, here is a list of Western European results by the country. I'm pretty partial to the North German sample. I found these on another genetic genealogy site, so take with a grain of salt.


Austrian

North Atlantic - 37.21
Baltic - 29.87
West Med - 14.58
West Asian - 7.23
East Med - 8.23
Red Sea - 1.56
South Asian - 0.78
East Asian - 0.07
Siberian - 0.16
Amerindian - 0.12
Oceanian - 0.11
North-East African - 0.07
Sub-Saharan African - 0.00


Danish

North Atlantic - 50.04
Baltic - 26.61
West Med - 10.43
West Asian - 5.69
East Med - 3.61
Red Sea - 0.25
South Asian - 1.86
East Asian - 0.20
Siberian - 0.27
Amerindian - 0.36
Oceanian - 0.20
North-East African - 0.36
Sub-Saharan African - 0.10


East_Finnish

North Atlantic - 30.71
Baltic - 49.54
West Med - 4.49
West Asian - 1.63
East Med - 0.22
Red Sea - 0.82
South Asian - 1.48
East Asian - 0.70
Siberian - 8.59
Amerindian - 0.71
Oceanian - 0.69
North-East African - 0.05
Sub-Saharan African - 0.37

East_German

North Atlantic - 37.34
Baltic - 32.18
West Med - 14.57
West Asian - 6.15
East Med - 6.42
Red Sea - 0.96
South Asian - 1.46
East Asian - 0.02
Siberian - 0.19
Amerindian - 0.38
Oceanian - 0.05
North-East African - 0.13
Sub-Saharan African - 0.14

Finnish

North Atlantic - 34.17
Baltic - 47.69
West Med - 4.43
West Asian - 2.21
East Med - 0.65
Red Sea - 0.42
South Asian - 0.53
East Asian - 0.96
Siberian - 6.48
Amerindian - 0.90
Oceanian - 0.81
North-East African - 0.50
Sub-Saharan African - 0.26

French

North Atlantic - 42.60
Baltic - 17.49
West Med - 19.5
West Asian - 4.96
East Med - 10.33
Red Sea - 2.82
South Asian - 1.08
East Asian - 0.15
Siberian - 0.27
Amerindian - 0.28
Oceanian - 0.23
North-East African - 0.07
Sub-Saharan African - 0.12

French_Basque

North Atlantic - 52.62
Baltic - 6.10
West Med - 35.86
West Asian - 0.35
East Med - 3.07
Red Sea - 0.31
South Asian - 0.32
East Asian - 0.65
Siberian - 0.06
Amerindian - 0.08
Oceanian - 0.30
North-East African - 0.22
Sub-Saharan African - 0.04

Irish

North Atlantic - 52.23
Baltic - 24.02
West Med - 12.39
West Asian - 6.32
East Med - 1.41
Red Sea - 0.82
South Asian - 1.09
East Asian - 0.09
Siberian - 0.03
Amerindian - 0.99
Oceanian - 0.33
North-East African - 0.18
Sub-Saharan African - 0.10

North_Dutch

North Atlantic - 50.45
Baltic - 26.44
West Med - 11.06
West Asian - 5.9
East Med - 3.16
Red Sea - 0.86
South Asian - 0.60
East Asian - 0.11
Siberian - 0.16
Amerindian - 0.50
Oceanian - 0.52
North-East African - 0.15
Sub-Saharan African - 0.10

North_German

North Atlantic - 47.17
Baltic - 27.37
West Med - 10.23
West Asian - 7.12
East Med - 4.24
Red Sea - 0.91
South Asian - 1.46
East Asian - 0.04
Siberian - 0.12
Amerindian - 0.43
Oceanian - 0.28
North-East African - 0.37
Sub-Saharan African - 0.17

North_Swedish

North Atlantic - 44.52
Baltic - 36.30
West Med - 7.35
West Asian - 3.16
East Med - 1.31
Red Sea - 0.79
South Asian - 0.85
East Asian - 0.77
Siberian - 3.17
Amerindian - 0.70
Oceanian - 0.88
North-East African - 0.17
Sub-Saharan African - 0.03

Norwegian

North Atlantic - 51.15
Baltic - 28.61
West Med - 9.91
West Asian - 5.60
East Med - 1.73
Red Sea - 0.43
South Asian - 0.42
East Asian - 0.36
Siberian - 0.64
Amerindian - 0.91
Oceanian - 0.15
North-East African - 0.01
Sub-Saharan African - 0.10

Orcadian

North Atlantic - 51.33
Baltic - 24.44
West Med - 12.68
West Asian - 4.97
East Med - 2.50
Red Sea - 0.31
South Asian - 1.00
East Asian - 0.23
Siberian - 1.05
Amerindian - 0.81
Oceanian - 0.39
North-East African - 0.08
Sub-Saharan African - 0.20

South_Dutch

North Atlantic - 44.59
Baltic - 22.22
West Med - 15.74
West Asian - 6.01
East Med - 7.37
Red Sea - 1.47
South Asian - 1.05
East Asian - 0.20
Siberian - 0.84
Amerindian - 0.24
Oceanian - 0.02
North-East African - 0.09
Sub-Saharan African - 0.16

Southeast_English

North Atlantic - 50.52
Baltic - 23.27
West Med - 13.98
West Asian - 4.46
East Med - 5.09
Red Sea - 0.09
South Asian - 1.08
East Asian - 0.04
Siberian - 0.06
Amerindian - 0.62
Oceanian - 0.62
North-East African - 0.17
Sub-Saharan African - 0.04

Southwest_English

North Atlantic - 51.98
Baltic - 22.10
West Med - 15.10
West Asian - 4.92
East Med - 2.70
Red Sea - 0.95
South Asian - 0.88
East Asian - 0.12
Siberian - 0.05
Amerindian - 0.15
Oceanian - 0.59
North-East African - 0.28
Sub-Saharan African - 0.16

Southwest_Finnish

North Atlantic - 38.50
Baltic - 43.46
West Med - 6.96
West Asian - 1.93
East Med - 1.34
Red Sea - 0.49
South Asian - 0.69
East Asian - 0.10
Siberian - 4.96
Amerindian - 1.10
Oceanian - 0.25
North-East African - 0.14
Sub-Saharan African - 0.08

Southwest_French

North Atlantic - 42.35
Baltic - 13.57
West Med - 30.54
West Asian - 1.36
East Med - 8.85
Red Sea - 1.65
South Asian - 0.33
East Asian - 0.05
Siberian - 0.62
Amerindian - 0.64
Oceanian - 0.01
North-East African - 0.02
Sub-Saharan African - 0.00

Swedish

North Atlantic - 48.53
Baltic - 31.09
West Med - 9.25
West Asian - 5.20
East Med - 1.35
Red Sea - 0.51
South Asian - 0.72
East Asian - 0.38
Siberian - 0.83
Amerindian - 0.68
Oceanian - 0.71
North-East African - 0.21
Sub-Saharan African - 0.55

West_German

North Atlantic - 43.15
Baltic - 22.44
West Med - 14.78
West Asian - 6.85
East Med - 8.54
Red Sea - 0.86
South Asian - 0.94
East Asian - 0.13
Siberian - 0.40
Amerindian - 0.60
Oceanian - 0.64
North-East African - 0.47
Sub-Saharan African - 0.22

West_Scottish

North Atlantic - 53.18
Baltic - 23.35
West Med - 12.31
West Asian - 5.56
East Med - 1.72
Red Sea - 0.88
South Asian - 1.14
East Asian - 0.05
Siberian - 0.47
Amerindian - 0.80
Oceanian - 0.34
North-East African - 0.08
Sub-Saharan African - 0.12

MattL
01-15-2015, 09:48 PM
My father's results... Paper trial is all colonial american except one immigrant ancestor couple who came from Germany around 1840s. Paper trail is mostly:

1) Brittish
2) German
3) Swiss
4) Sotch-Irish

K13 results

North_Atlantic 43.81%
Baltic 23.65%
West_Med 16.40%
West_Asian 5.06%
East_Med 4.41%
Red_Sea 2.93%
South_Asian 2.30%
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.56%
Amerindian 0.22%
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.67%
Sub-Saharan -

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 South_Dutch @ 4.113004
2 West_German @ 5.613674
3 Southeast_English @ 7.908403
4 North_German @ 8.452296
5 Southwest_English @ 8.973076
6 Orcadian @ 9.182965
7 French @ 9.280577
8 North_Dutch @ 9.515238
9 Danish @ 9.582774
10 Irish @ 10.236231
11 Austrian @ 10.464221
12 West_Scottish @ 10.883141
13 East_German @ 11.322596
14 Norwegian @ 11.784261
15 Swedish @ 12.158998
16 Hungarian @ 15.965044
17 North_Swedish @ 16.459850
18 Spanish_Cataluna @ 17.669210
19 Spanish_Galicia @ 18.100586
20 Southwest_French @ 18.528603

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% French +50% Swedish @ 3.741018


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% Spanish_Aragon +25% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.438021


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Ukrainian_Lviv + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.318868
2 East_German + North_German + Spanish_Galicia + West_Scottish @ 2.322898
3 East_German + Southwest_English + Spanish_Galicia + Swedish @ 2.328609
4 Danish + East_German + Irish + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.346802
5 East_German + Irish + North_Dutch + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.347914
6 East_German + Irish + North_German + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.348050
7 East_German + Irish + Irish + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.352802
8 East_German + Irish + Orcadian + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.384429
9 Irish + Spanish_Aragon + Ukrainian_Lviv + West_Scottish @ 2.408199
10 Spanish_Aragon + Ukrainian_Lviv + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.415187
11 Irish + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Ukrainian_Lviv + West_Scottish @ 2.417142
12 Austrian + Southwest_English + Spanish_Galicia + Swedish @ 2.429354
13 Southwest_English + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Ukrainian_Lviv + West_Scottish @ 2.431989
14 Irish + Irish + Spanish_Aragon + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.438021
15 Danish + East_German + Spanish_Galicia + West_Scottish @ 2.444172
16 East_German + Norwegian + Southwest_English + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.445578
17 Austrian + Irish + Spanish_Galicia + Swedish @ 2.452777
18 East_German + North_Dutch + Spanish_Galicia + West_Scottish @ 2.458691
19 East_German + Irish + Norwegian + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.463714
20 Southwest_English + Spanish_Galicia + Ukrainian_Lviv + West_Scottish @ 2.472896



My mother's results... Paper trail, pretty much 100% colonial american as far as I can trace, some distant west african (very small amount, less than 1% overall but a couple distinct segments).

1) English
2) Scotch-Irish (meaning mostly Scottish)
3) Irish
4) Dutch
5) French
6) German

I had her DNA tested at both Ancestry DNA and 23andme so I will share both results for comparison

AncestryDNA

North_Atlantic 48.14%
Baltic 23.82%
West_Med 13.63%
West_Asian 6.24%
East_Med 3.10%
Red_Sea 2.31%
South_Asian 0.34%
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.40%
Oceanian 0.90%
Northeast_African 1.12%
Sub-Saharan -

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Southeast_English @ 4.443261
2 Orcadian @ 4.521173
3 North_Dutch @ 4.699196
4 Southwest_English @ 4.970921
5 Irish @ 5.037148
6 Danish @ 5.463315
7 North_German @ 5.538264
8 West_Scottish @ 5.839547
9 South_Dutch @ 6.450474
10 Norwegian @ 7.359328
11 West_German @ 7.828042
12 Swedish @ 9.036178
13 French @ 12.716496
14 Austrian @ 13.668488
15 East_German @ 14.258331
16 North_Swedish @ 15.329855
17 Hungarian @ 19.173035
18 Spanish_Cataluna @ 21.043806
19 Southwest_French @ 22.011049
20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 22.093510

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +50% South_Dutch @ 2.445753


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Southwest_English +25% Swedish +25% West_German @ 2.337436


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 French + Irish + Irish + Swedish @ 2.044692
2 Austrian + Irish + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.112627
3 Austrian + Irish + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.163782
4 French + Irish + Southwest_English + Swedish @ 2.178452
5 Austrian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.178691
6 Austrian + Irish + Irish + Southwest_English @ 2.186574
7 Irish + North_German + South_Dutch + Southwest_English @ 2.200694
8 French + Irish + Swedish + West_Scottish @ 2.225803
9 Austrian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.239578
10 French + Irish + Irish + North_German @ 2.241429
11 Irish + North_German + Southwest_English + West_German @ 2.267906
12 French + Irish + North_Dutch + North_Dutch @ 2.287510
13 French + North_Dutch + Southwest_English + Swedish @ 2.292742
14 French + Irish + North_Dutch + Swedish @ 2.296243
15 French + Irish + Orcadian + Swedish @ 2.299822
16 Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Swedish + West_German @ 2.337436
17 French + Irish + North_German + Norwegian @ 2.344469
18 French + Irish + North_Dutch + Norwegian @ 2.347733
19 French + Irish + North_Dutch + North_German @ 2.351601
20 North_German + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_German @ 2.369668


23andme

North_Atlantic 48.31%
Baltic 23.71%
West_Med 13.54%
West_Asian 5.99%
East_Med 3.30%
Red_Sea 2.35%
South_Asian 0.25%
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.07%
Amerindian 0.42%
Oceanian 1.05%
Northeast_African 1.01%
Sub-Saharan -

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Southeast_English @ 4.191674
2 Orcadian @ 4.389425
3 North_Dutch @ 4.639703
4 Southwest_English @ 4.817457
5 Irish @ 5.004986
6 Danish @ 5.426394
7 North_German @ 5.632669
8 West_Scottish @ 5.717276
9 South_Dutch @ 6.425056
10 Norwegian @ 7.355608
11 West_German @ 7.821790
12 Swedish @ 9.098000
13 French @ 12.635716
14 Austrian @ 13.807140
15 East_German @ 14.420538
16 North_Swedish @ 15.392581
17 Hungarian @ 19.294500
18 Spanish_Cataluna @ 20.955713
19 Southwest_French @ 21.962069
20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 22.001106

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +50% South_Dutch @ 2.362583


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Southwest_English +25% Swedish +25% West_German @ 2.222949


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 French + Irish + Irish + Swedish @ 1.939379
2 French + Irish + Southwest_English + Swedish @ 2.004169
3 French + Irish + Swedish + West_Scottish @ 2.070224
4 French + Irish + North_Dutch + North_Dutch @ 2.095034
5 Irish + North_German + South_Dutch + Southwest_English @ 2.120712
6 French + North_Dutch + Southwest_English + Swedish @ 2.130932
7 Austrian + Irish + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.135829
8 French + Irish + Irish + North_German @ 2.135886
9 Austrian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.138245
10 French + Irish + Orcadian + Swedish @ 2.169404
11 French + Irish + North_Dutch + Norwegian @ 2.174830
12 Austrian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.189519
13 French + Irish + North_Dutch + Swedish @ 2.194001
14 Austrian + Irish + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.194727
15 French + Southwest_English + Swedish + West_Scottish @ 2.197458
16 Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Swedish + West_German @ 2.222949
17 Irish + North_German + Southwest_English + West_German @ 2.223256
18 North_German + South_Dutch + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.229116
19 French + Swedish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.229738
20 French + Irish + North_Dutch + North_German @ 2.235114


Some further relation to my mother's side... my mother's mother (my grandmother). Basically all my mother's paper trail minus the significant west african segments and *possibly* some very distant native american. All colonial american though.

North_Atlantic 50.56%
Baltic 23.80%
West_Med 15.05%
West_Asian 4.34%
East_Med 2.59%
Red_Sea 1.02%
South_Asian 0.10%
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.83%
Amerindian 0.40%
Oceanian 1.02%
Northeast_African 0.29%
Sub-Saharan -

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Southwest_English @ 2.593138
2 Orcadian @ 2.984785
3 Southeast_English @ 3.201058
4 Irish @ 4.194903
5 West_Scottish @ 4.316482
6 North_Dutch @ 5.157481
7 Danish @ 6.086803
8 Norwegian @ 7.344068
9 North_German @ 7.737695
10 South_Dutch @ 8.137767
11 Swedish @ 9.720390
12 West_German @ 9.973117
13 French @ 13.722581
14 Austrian @ 16.044018
15 North_Swedish @ 16.179819
16 East_German @ 16.320723
17 Spanish_Cataluna @ 21.220741
18 Southwest_French @ 21.483269
19 Hungarian @ 21.610682
20 Spanish_Cantabria @ 22.329510

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Orcadian +50% Southwest_English @ 2.102557


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Norwegian +25% Southwest_French +25% West_Scottish @ 1.925346


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 French_Basque + Norwegian + Swedish + Swedish @ 1.752607
2 French_Basque + Norwegian + Norwegian + Swedish @ 1.773708
3 French_Basque + North_Dutch + Swedish + Swedish @ 1.783664
4 French_Basque + North_Dutch + North_Swedish + Norwegian @ 1.851319
5 Danish + French_Basque + Swedish + Swedish @ 1.855046
6 French_Basque + North_Swedish + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 1.916640
7 Norwegian + Norwegian + Southwest_French + West_Scottish @ 1.925346
8 French_Basque + North_Dutch + North_Dutch + North_Swedish @ 1.937344
9 French_Basque + North_German + Norwegian + Swedish @ 1.941855
10 French_Basque + North_Dutch + Norwegian + Swedish @ 1.968203
11 French_Basque + Irish + North_Swedish + Norwegian @ 1.968687
12 Danish + French_Basque + Norwegian + Swedish @ 1.986026
13 Danish + French_Basque + North_Swedish + Norwegian @ 2.004512
14 Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Swedish @ 2.037460
15 Orcadian + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.068370
16 Danish + French_Basque + North_Dutch + North_Swedish @ 2.070050
17 French_Basque + North_Swedish + Norwegian + Norwegian @ 2.077094
18 North_Dutch + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.081765
19 Irish + Norwegian + Norwegian + Southwest_French @ 2.082801
20 Orcadian + Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.102557


and also my aunt, she's my mother's sister, so definitely interesting to look at hers in comparison to my mother and grandmothers to see how my grandfather's DNA mixes things up in two different children


North_Atlantic 46.11%
Baltic 25.65%
West_Med 12.92%
West_Asian 6.21%
East_Med 3.83%
Red_Sea 2.38%
South_Asian 0.54%
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.55%
Oceanian 0.89%
Northeast_African 0.92%
Sub-Saharan -

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 North_German @ 3.934410
2 North_Dutch @ 5.141678
3 Danish @ 5.477635
4 Southeast_English @ 6.094242
5 South_Dutch @ 6.155518
6 Orcadian @ 6.218310
7 West_German @ 6.924871
8 Irish @ 7.069810
9 Norwegian @ 7.336732
10 Southwest_English @ 7.590927
11 Swedish @ 7.823463
12 West_Scottish @ 8.021396
13 Austrian @ 11.058335
14 East_German @ 11.540876
15 French @ 12.952828
16 North_Swedish @ 13.283278
17 Hungarian @ 16.467470
18 Southwest_Finnish @ 21.554401
19 Spanish_Cataluna @ 21.652451
20 Croatian @ 22.483124

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% South_Dutch +50% Swedish @ 2.420749


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% Moldavian +25% West_Scottish @ 2.165194


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Croatian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 1.930945
2 Moldavian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 1.942058
3 Croatian + Irish + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 1.944800
4 Hungarian + Irish + North_Dutch + Southwest_English @ 1.993580
5 Austrian + Irish + North_German + Southwest_English @ 1.993759
6 Moldavian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.000208
7 Croatian + Irish + Irish + Southwest_English @ 2.020305
8 Irish + Moldavian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.032060
9 East_German + Irish + Irish + West_German @ 2.043345
10 Austrian + Irish + Norwegian + South_Dutch @ 2.053588
11 Austrian + North_Dutch + North_German + Southwest_English @ 2.057815
12 Irish + Moldavian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.059358
13 French + North_German + North_German + Swedish @ 2.079565
14 Croatian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.086596
15 Hungarian + North_German + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.093138
16 East_German + Irish + North_Dutch + South_Dutch @ 2.094921
17 Hungarian + Irish + North_German + Southwest_English @ 2.101534
18 Hungarian + North_German + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.101731
19 Hungarian + North_Dutch + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.103137
20 Austrian + Irish + North_Dutch + South_Dutch @ 2.104995


For further comparison here's my results... again interesting to see how it compares to both my parents. With there combined ancestry I represent a pretty good vertical slice of "American"... I have mostly southern ancestry though a couple distinct lines to the north as well and my ancestry includes all sorts, English (from north and south), Swiss Mennonite/Amish, German in a couple lines, Quakers that intermixed with all sorts, Dutch (that came to New Netherlands and New Amsterdam), Scotch Irish, some distant and small West African, and possibly some distant and small Native American (though doesn't come through in my DNA except for segments indistinguishable from noise).


North_Atlantic 45.72%
Baltic 24.27%
West_Med 14.70%
West_Asian 7.11%
East_Med 2.28%
Red_Sea 3.19%
South_Asian 0.86%
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.16%
Amerindian 0.25%
Oceanian 0.42%
Northeast_African 1.04%
Sub-Saharan -

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 South_Dutch @ 6.181388
2 North_German @ 6.374705
3 North_Dutch @ 6.977810
4 Southeast_English @ 7.074763
5 Orcadian @ 7.099834
6 Southwest_English @ 7.390177
7 West_German @ 7.428507
8 Irish @ 7.476765
9 Danish @ 7.496594
10 West_Scottish @ 8.457613
11 Norwegian @ 9.135160
12 Swedish @ 9.874908
13 Austrian @ 11.954506
14 French @ 12.225455
15 East_German @ 12.541168
16 North_Swedish @ 15.270136
17 Hungarian @ 17.513809
18 Spanish_Cataluna @ 20.659798
19 Spanish_Galicia @ 21.326220
20 Southwest_French @ 21.391142

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +50% South_Dutch @ 4.414986


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% Moldavian +25% Southwest_English @ 3.550324


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Irish + Moldavian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 3.411019
2 Moldavian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 3.416639
3 Irish + Moldavian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 3.518460
4 Moldavian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.530379
5 Moldavian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 3.548556
6 Irish + Irish + Moldavian + Southwest_English @ 3.550324
7 East_German + French + Irish + Irish @ 3.581214
8 Austrian + Irish + Irish + South_Dutch @ 3.602846
9 Croatian + Irish + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 3.618763
10 East_German + Irish + South_Dutch + Southwest_English @ 3.636025
11 Croatian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 3.647547
12 Croatian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 3.658040
13 Austrian + Irish + South_Dutch + Southwest_English @ 3.664662
14 East_German + Irish + Irish + South_Dutch @ 3.677282
15 Austrian + Irish + South_Dutch + West_Scottish @ 3.722501
16 East_German + French + Irish + West_Scottish @ 3.731124
17 Irish + North_German + Spanish_Galicia + Swedish @ 3.737773
18 East_German + Irish + South_Dutch + West_Scottish @ 3.774581
19 Irish + Spanish_Galicia + Swedish + Swedish @ 3.776068
20 Irish + Irish + Serbian + Southwest_English @ 3.779500

randwulf
01-16-2015, 06:56 PM
My results:

Population
North_Atlantic 45.22%
Baltic 19.93%
West_Med 19.46%
West_Asian 1.03%
East_Med 10.22%
Red_Sea 1.23%
South_Asian 0.64%
East_Asian 0.80%
Siberian 0.77%
Amerindian 0.49%
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.20%
Sub-Saharan -

Like Krefter, my results end up identifying as "French" (see below), which isn't a huge surprise, but is at least partly because of the American mix it seems. I looked at the spreadsheet published with K13 and at the mixes from countries from which I have actual known ancestry (German, English, French, Scottish, Irish) and I can see why the single pick is French - it is the closest to my mix on the major components North Atlantic, Baltic, West Mediterranean, and East Mediterranean. These add up to about 95% of my K13 results. The other 5% does not look French at all or like any of my other known ancestry according to the spreadsheet. The biggest difference is a far reduced West Asian value and somewhat reduced South Asian value in my mix as well as an increased East Asian/Siberian/Amerindian total. So, when it gets to the multiple population Oracles, it wants to call me Spanish with a Scandinavian/Northeast European Coast component, for which I have neither in my known ancestry.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 45.22
2 Baltic 19.93
3 West_Med 19.46
4 East_Med 10.22
5 Red_Sea 1.23
6 West_Asian 1.03


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 French @ 5.631760
2 South_Dutch @ 7.281215
3 West_German @ 8.392825
4 Southeast_English @ 10.499543
5 Spanish_Cataluna @ 11.397309
6 Southwest_English @ 11.940158
7 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 12.598989
8 Spanish_Galicia @ 13.026937
9 Southwest_French @ 13.208151
10 Portuguese @ 13.257956
11 Orcadian @ 13.427024
12 Spanish_Cantabria @ 13.539519
13 Spanish_Valencia @ 14.187153
14 Spanish_Murcia @ 14.428606
15 North_Dutch @ 14.662477
16 North_German @ 14.740215
17 Danish @ 14.757637
18 West_Scottish @ 14.832150
19 Irish @ 14.936213
20 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 14.947245

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Danish +50% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.504413


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Danish +25% Spanish_Valencia +25% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.504413


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 North_Swedish + Southeast_English + Spanish_Valencia + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.683335
2 North_Swedish + Southeast_English + Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.706300
3 North_Swedish + Southeast_English + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.820701
4 North_Swedish + Southeast_English + Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.878946
5 North_Swedish + Southwest_English + Spanish_Valencia + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.897463
6 North_Swedish + Southeast_English + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.987026
7 North_Swedish + Southeast_English + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Spanish_Valencia @ 3.028781
8 Southeast_English + Spanish_Valencia + Spanish_Valencia + Swedish @ 3.062009
9 North_Swedish + Southwest_English + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Valencia @ 3.065564
10 North_Swedish + Southeast_English + Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.094257
11 North_Swedish + Orcadian + Spanish_Valencia + Spanish_Valencia @ 3.121928
12 North_Swedish + Southeast_English + Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.140980
13 North_Swedish + Southeast_English + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Valencia @ 3.142444
14 North_Swedish + Portuguese + Southeast_English + Spanish_Aragon @ 3.147339
15 North_Swedish + Southeast_English + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 3.155348
16 North_Swedish + Spanish_Valencia + Spanish_Valencia + West_Scottish @ 3.184895
17 Southeast_English + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Valencia + Swedish @ 3.203302
18 Southeast_English + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Valencia + Swedish @ 3.221535
19 North_Swedish + Orcadian + Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Valencia @ 3.225515
20 North_Swedish + Southeast_English + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Valencia @ 3.248659

Kurd
01-17-2015, 12:16 AM
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Kurd
01-17-2015, 12:20 AM
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zarafshaan
01-20-2015, 10:33 AM
K13 Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 43.27
2 South_Asian 20.76
3 East_Med 17.73
4 Baltic 6.56
5 Red_Sea 6.45
6 Sub-Saharan 2.46
7 Northeast_African 1.27

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Makrani @ 13.243479
2 Afghan_Pashtun @ 16.650585
3 Iranian @ 17.475283
4 Brahui @ 19.317862
5 Balochi @ 19.365471
6 Kurdish @ 19.573832
7 Afghan_Tadjik @ 20.045027
8 Turkmen @ 21.059605
9 Tadjik @ 21.245916
10 Kumyk @ 21.497837
11 Azeri @ 21.769537
12 Adygei @ 22.522963
13 Lezgin @ 23.332550
14 Chechen @ 23.792309
15 Ossetian @ 23.808571
16 North_Ossetian @ 24.110260
17 Kabardin @ 24.127354
18 Tabassaran @ 24.157410
19 Georgian @ 24.316111
20 Balkar @ 24.348289

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Balochi +50% Iranian @ 5.481767


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Iranian +25% Kalash +25% Makrani @ 4.460820


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Iranian + Iranian + Kalash + Makrani @ 4.460820
2 Brahui + Iranian + Iranian + Kalash @ 4.787434
3 Brahui + Iranian + Iranian + Pathan @ 4.879526
4 Balochi + Iranian + Iranian + Pathan @ 5.040576
5 Balochi + Iranian + Iranian + Kalash @ 5.042583
6 Iranian + Iranian + Makrani + Pathan @ 5.076159
7 Iranian + Kalash + Kurdish + Makrani @ 5.183288
8 Balochi + Iranian + Iranian + Makrani @ 5.192208
9 Brahui + Iranian + Iranian + Makrani @ 5.278039
10 Brahui + Iranian + Kurdish + Pathan @ 5.303968
11 Burusho + Iranian + Iranian + Makrani @ 5.384956
12 Brahui + Burusho + Iranian + Iranian @ 5.411045
13 Iranian + Kurdish + Makrani + Pathan @ 5.413905
14 Afghan_Pashtun + Brahui + Iranian + Iranian @ 5.459277
15 Balochi + Brahui + Iranian + Iranian @ 5.460230
16 Balochi + Iranian + Kurdish + Pathan @ 5.477259
17 Balochi + Balochi + Iranian + Iranian @ 5.481767
18 Brahui + Brahui + Iranian + Iranian @ 5.508115
19 Brahui + Iranian + Kalash + Kurdish @ 5.534595
20 Balochi + Burusho + Iranian + Iranian @ 5.550415

DanaFox160
01-20-2015, 03:04 PM
Can someone help me understand this? What I know of my ancestry is that my paternal great-grandfather was Polish and great-grandmother identified as Russniak which I've heard is Ukranian? My maternal great-grandmothers parents came from somewhere is Germany. The rest of my ancestors have been in the US since the 1700s, but mostly came from England and Scotland.


K13 Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 41.55
2 Baltic 27.09
3 West_Med 11.14
4 East_Med 9.44
5 West_Asian 7.45
6 Red_Sea 1.39
7 Amerindian 1.16
8 East_Asian 0.33
9 Siberian 0.2
10 South_Asian 0.17
11 Oceanian 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_German 5.71
2 Austrian 5.73
3 North_German 6.84
4 South_Dutch 7.05
5 East_German 7.32
6 Hungarian 9.11
7 Danish 9.29
8 North_Dutch 9.58
9 Southeast_English 10.1
10 Swedish 10.31
11 Norwegian 10.92
12 Orcadian 11.03
13 French 11.78
14 Irish 11.98
15 Southwest_English 12.43
16 North_Swedish 12.58
17 West_Scottish 12.7
18 Serbian 14.46
19 Croatian 15.13
20 Moldavian 16.53

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 77.9% Swedish + 22.1% Ashkenazi @ 2.02
2 66% Norwegian + 34% Bulgarian @ 2.03
3 82.9% Swedish + 17.1% Cyprian @ 2.03
4 62.5% Norwegian + 37.5% Romanian @ 2.1
5 84.6% Swedish + 15.4% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.17
6 76.3% North_German + 23.7% Bulgarian @ 2.19
7 76.8% Swedish + 23.2% Central_Greek @ 2.23
8 68.9% North_German + 31.1% Serbian @ 2.24
9 73.4% North_German + 26.6% Romanian @ 2.24
10 61.3% Danish + 38.7% Serbian @ 2.28
11 84.2% Swedish + 15.8% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.34
12 73.1% Swedish + 26.9% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.35
13 84.4% Swedish + 15.6% Samaritan @ 2.36
14 60.6% North_Dutch + 39.4% Serbian @ 2.36
15 77.3% Swedish + 22.7% East_Sicilian @ 2.38
16 57.2% Norwegian + 42.8% Serbian @ 2.38
17 78.5% Swedish + 21.5% South_Italian @ 2.44
18 80.5% Swedish + 19.5% Italian_Jewish @ 2.45
19 69.9% Danish + 30.1% Bulgarian @ 2.46
20 66.5% Danish + 33.5% Romanian @ 2.47


K13 4-Ancestors Oracle


Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 West_German @ 6.353070
2 Austrian @ 6.429793
3 North_German @ 7.882854
4 South_Dutch @ 7.909794
5 East_German @ 8.288362
6 Hungarian @ 10.431253
7 Danish @ 10.716705
8 North_Dutch @ 11.065123
9 Southeast_English @ 11.580187
10 Swedish @ 11.877264
11 Norwegian @ 12.644850
12 Orcadian @ 12.731717
13 French @ 13.180197
14 Irish @ 13.854402
15 North_Swedish @ 14.251968
16 Southwest_English @ 14.257384
17 West_Scottish @ 14.671070
18 Serbian @ 16.604847
19 Croatian @ 17.311029
20 South_Polish @ 18.876657

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Norwegian +50% Serbian @ 3.308542


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% North_German +25% North_German +25% Romanian @ 2.493781


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Central_Greek + North_Swedish + Norwegian + Norwegian @ 2.234163
2 Italian_Abruzzo + North_Swedish + Norwegian + Swedish @ 2.269935
3 Danish + Italian_Abruzzo + Norwegian + Southwest_Finnish @ 2.280908
4 Italian_Abruzzo + North_Dutch + Norwegian + Southwest_Finnish @ 2.283299
5 Italian_Abruzzo + Norwegian + Norwegian + Southwest_Finnish @ 2.309449
6 Italian_Abruzzo + North_Swedish + Swedish + Swedish @ 2.333895
7 Central_Greek + North_Swedish + Norwegian + Swedish @ 2.335971
8 Greek_Thessaly + North_German + North_Swedish + Norwegian @ 2.362126
9 Bulgarian + North_German + North_German + Norwegian @ 2.374878
10 Italian_Abruzzo + North_German + North_Swedish + Swedish @ 2.377256
11 Danish + Italian_Abruzzo + North_Swedish + Swedish @ 2.378987
12 Greek_Thessaly + North_German + Swedish + Swedish @ 2.387062
13 Greek_Thessaly + North_Dutch + North_Swedish + Norwegian @ 2.389672
14 Bulgarian + North_German + North_German + North_German @ 2.401564
15 Danish + Greek_Thessaly + North_Swedish + Norwegian @ 2.405267
16 Bulgarian + Danish + North_German + North_German @ 2.413423
17 Bulgarian + North_Dutch + North_German + North_German @ 2.425514
18 Italian_Abruzzo + North_Dutch + North_Swedish + Swedish @ 2.455838
19 Greek_Thessaly + North_German + Norwegian + Swedish @ 2.458445
20 Greek_Thessaly + North_Dutch + North_German + North_Swedish @ 2.459281

randwulf
01-21-2015, 05:32 AM
Can someone help me understand this? What I know of my ancestry is that my paternal great-grandfather was Polish and great-grandmother identified as Russniak which I've heard is Ukranian? My maternal great-grandmothers parents came from somewhere is Germany. The rest of my ancestors have been in the US since the 1700s, but mostly came from England and Scotland.




I am no specialist, but have been looking at my results from a mixed up USA perspective for a few weeks and can say that this calculator (and really, the others, too) seem to try to put together a mix that would produce the characteristics you have. So, in my case (you can see above), I have lots of German mix, mostly from Western/Central/South parts of Germany and a significant English minority and also some French/Scottish/Irish in my known ancestry (and I know quite a bit of it). I seem to have some type of Eastern "pull" with about 2% of my ancestry for which I do not know the source that shows up as East Asian/Siberian/Amerindian mixed. The weighted middle of all this kind of centers out in France, where I have just a little ancestry, but not a lot. The "single population" approximations for me are all good guesses (France, West Germany, Southwest England), but the two/three/four approximations tend to pick all populations from which I have no known ancestry. However, the places it is picking kind of "surround" my ancestry pretty well as it tries to guess a mix that could produce my characteristics. For the most part, for me, it tries to mix "northern and western" European components with very Southwestern European components, since it is detecting, I think very little West Asian for me (like a Southwestern European) with lots of Mediterranean, but lots of Northern European input, too. I tend to get these kinds of numbers from all the calculators I have tried plus from my Geno 2.0 and Family Finder results.

So, for you, it kind of looks like your very Western (and Northern?) oriented European ancestry mixed with your more Easterly European ancestry are causing it to try to figure out a mix that could look like that and maybe not able to pin it down exactly by country. Plus, I am not sure how much of your ancestry that you don't know. It could impacting this a lot, too, if the unknowns are significant.

That is my best guess from a novice working on similar issues with my own results.

Rick
01-24-2015, 10:32 PM
my $0.02


K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Admix Results (sorted):


# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 50.44
2 Baltic 21.70
3 West_Med 12.47
4 West_Asian 6.48
5 East_Med 6.19
6 Red_Sea 1.12


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Southeast_English @ 3.618077
2 Southwest_English @ 5.019956
3 Orcadian @ 5.182062
4 West_Scottish @ 5.752399
5 Irish @ 5.834354
6 North_Dutch @ 5.914597
7 Danish @ 6.333488
8 South_Dutch @ 6.953643
9 North_German @ 7.359914
10 West_German @ 8.127576
11 Norwegian @ 8.791192
12 Swedish @ 11.367389
13 French @ 12.355226
14 Austrian @ 15.881180
15 East_German @ 16.990448
16 North_Swedish @ 17.836521
17 Spanish_Cataluna @ 20.306337
18 Hungarian @ 21.071516
19 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 21.562811
20 Spanish_Galicia @ 22.177847

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% West_German +50% West_Scottish @ 3.258790


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Southeast_English +25% West_German +25% West_Scottish @ 3.068767


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Southeast_English + West_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.046980
2 French + North_Dutch + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.067603
3 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_German + West_Scottish @ 3.068767
4 Danish + French + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.078472
5 Southeast_English + Southwest_English + West_German + West_Scottish @ 3.120786
6 French + North_Dutch + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 3.143655
7 French + North_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.173825
8 French + Irish + North_Dutch + West_Scottish @ 3.194241
9 Danish + French + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 3.195466
10 Irish + Southeast_English + West_German + West_Scottish @ 3.202089
11 South_Dutch + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 3.203679
12 French + North_Dutch + North_Dutch + West_Scottish @ 3.208654
13 Danish + French + Irish + West_Scottish @ 3.213542
14 South_Dutch + West_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.219228
15 French + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.229598
16 Irish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_German @ 3.230943
17 French + North_Dutch + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 3.236986
18 Orcadian + Southeast_English + West_German + West_Scottish @ 3.249014
19 West_German + West_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.258790
20 Irish + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + West_German @ 3.259363

Agamemnon
01-26-2015, 09:13 PM
My mother's results just came in, this is what she gets with K13:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 53.05
2 Baltic 22.93
3 West_Med 13.76
4 West_Asian 3.46
5 East_Med 3.35
6 South_Asian 1.87
7 Red_Sea 1.16
8 Amerindian 0.32
9 Northeast_African 0.06
10 Sub-Saharan 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southwest_English 2.5
2 West_Scottish 2.88
3 Southeast_English 3.18
4 Orcadian 3.2
5 Irish 3.63
6 North_Dutch 5.2
7 Danish 5.59
8 Norwegian 6.97
9 North_German 7.87
10 South_Dutch 8.68
11 Swedish 9.64
12 West_German 10.23
13 French 13.13
14 North_Swedish 15.65
15 Austrian 15.99
16 East_German 16.29
17 Spanish_Cataluna 19.6
18 Southwest_French 20.31
19 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 20.65
20 Hungarian 20.74

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 59.7% Southwest_English + 40.3% West_Scottish @ 2.13
2 55.2% West_Scottish + 44.8% Southeast_English @ 2.18
3 92.2% West_Scottish + 7.8% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.18
4 92.2% West_Scottish + 7.8% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.18
5 91.6% West_Scottish + 8.4% Southwest_French @ 2.21
6 91.8% West_Scottish + 8.2% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.22
7 81.8% Southwest_English + 18.2% Danish @ 2.22
8 91.9% West_Scottish + 8.1% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.23
9 67.3% Southwest_English + 32.7% Orcadian @ 2.24
10 91.5% West_Scottish + 8.5% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.24
11 92.1% West_Scottish + 7.9% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.25
12 86.1% Southwest_English + 13.9% Norwegian @ 2.26
13 92.6% West_Scottish + 7.4% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.26
14 92.6% West_Scottish + 7.4% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.26
15 92.5% West_Scottish + 7.5% Portuguese @ 2.29
16 96.7% West_Scottish + 3.3% Sardinian @ 2.31
17 83.5% Southwest_English + 16.5% North_Dutch @ 2.32
18 93.1% West_Scottish + 6.9% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.33
19 93.5% West_Scottish + 6.5% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.34
20 71.5% Southwest_English + 28.5% Southeast_English @ 2.35


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Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 53.05
2 Baltic 22.93
3 West_Med 13.76
4 West_Asian 3.46
5 East_Med 3.35
6 South_Asian 1.87
7 Red_Sea 1.16


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Southwest_English @ 2.736439
2 West_Scottish @ 3.244327
3 Orcadian @ 3.517967
4 Southeast_English @ 3.574407
5 Irish @ 4.118265
6 North_Dutch @ 5.859630
7 Danish @ 6.299067
8 Norwegian @ 7.839629
9 North_German @ 8.975196
10 South_Dutch @ 10.000825
11 Swedish @ 10.858955
12 West_German @ 11.807209
13 French @ 15.035680
14 North_Swedish @ 17.596037
15 Austrian @ 18.409115
16 East_German @ 18.702501
17 Spanish_Cataluna @ 22.259493
18 Southwest_French @ 22.833946
19 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 23.401331
20 Spanish_Cantabria @ 23.505598

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Southwest_English +50% West_Scottish @ 2.389854


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Southeast_English +25% Southwest_English +25% West_Scottish @ 2.381864


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.238837
2 Southeast_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.261215
3 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.381864
4 Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.389854
5 Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.399714
6 Orcadian + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.405423
7 Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.413008
8 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.420424
9 Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.476946
10 Orcadian + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.478590
11 Irish + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.511645
12 Danish + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.516330
13 Irish + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.522455
14 Orcadian + Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.548872
15 Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.584332
16 Danish + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.597174
17 Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.597390
18 Irish + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.626618
19 North_Dutch + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.629165
20 Irish + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.633650

I've highlighted the fits which are almost spot on... Very accurate, that's the least I can say!

MJost
02-01-2015, 06:17 PM
This K13 version has some interesting mixology. It seems that the North Sea/German may have had some Scandinavian influence in my Manx paternal and Dutch maternal ancestry. I later show, under the Spoiler, all my northern and Western Europe admixtures.

The Vikings homeland was Scandinavian. Scandinavian consisted of three major countries Denmark, Norway, and Sweden. The Danish and Norwegian Vikings went south. They sailed across the treacherous North Sea and attacked the coasts of Britain, Ireland and France. The Swedish Vikings sailed east, travelling up great rivers and through vast forests to Russia.


Kit Num: M093609
K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 46.00
2 Baltic 28.98
3 West_Med 11.36
4 East_Med 4.93
5 West_Asian 3.22
6 Red_Sea 2.29
7 Amerindian 1.29

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 North_German @ 4.892019
2 Swedish @ 6.007081
3 Danish @ 6.098470
4 North_Dutch @ 6.267279
5 Norwegian @ 6.971045

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% North_Swedish +50% South_Dutch @ 3.099118

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Danish +25% French +25% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.654857

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 French + North_Swedish + North_Swedish + Southeast_English @ 2.392712
2 French + North_Dutch + North_Swedish + North_Swedish @ 2.403631
3 French + North_Dutch + Norwegian + Southwest_Finnish @ 2.467345
4 French + North_Dutch + North_Dutch + Southwest_Finnish @ 2.501547
5 Danish + French + North_Swedish + North_Swedish @ 2.514775
6 Danish + French + Norwegian + Southwest_Finnish @ 2.530898
7 Danish + French + North_Dutch + Southwest_Finnish @ 2.540609
8 French + North_Swedish + Swedish + Swedish @ 2.573878
9 French + North_Swedish + North_Swedish + Orcadian @ 2.589154
10 French + Southeast_English + Southwest_Finnish + Swedish @ 2.606063
11 French + North_Swedish + North_Swedish + West_Scottish @ 2.609673
12 Belorussian + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 2.624236
13 French + Irish + North_Swedish + North_Swedish @ 2.625689
14 French + Norwegian + Southeast_English + Southwest_Finnish @ 2.631544
15 French + Southwest_Finnish + Swedish + West_Scottish @ 2.637420
16 Danish + Danish + French + Southwest_Finnish @ 2.654857
17 French + Norwegian + Norwegian + Southwest_Finnish @ 2.666162
18 North_Dutch + South_Dutch + Southeast_English + Southwest_Finnish @ 2.671202
19 French + North_Swedish + North_Swedish + Southwest_English @ 2.680100
20 French + North_Dutch + Southwest_Finnish + Swedish @ 2.694991

MJost

MJost
02-01-2015, 08:07 PM
For reference comparing this Davidski K13, my older Doug McDonald showed:

Populations, most likely at the top:

English= 1.000

His “custom” fits was:

English 0.2525 Irish 0.5155 Germany 0.1886 Adygei 0.0434 or
English 0.2934 Irish 0.5936 Belorus 0.0664 Georgian 0.0466 or
English 0.4056 Irish 0.4692 Belorus 0.0783 Adygei 0.0469 or
English 0.4057 Irish 0.4572 Poland 0.0907 Adygei 0.0463 or
English 0.1694 Irish 0.6258 Germany 0.1612 Georgian 0.0436 or
Irish 0.7472 French 0.0813 Germany 0.1279 Georgian 0.0435 or
Irish 0.7724 French 0.1386 Lithuania 0.0427 Georgian 0.0463 or
Irish 0.7635 Germany 0.1457 Spain 0.0477 Georgian 0.0431 or
English 0.2939 Irish 0.5836 Poland 0.0765 Georgian 0.0461 or
Irish 0.7825 Italian 0.0459 Germany 0.1306 Georgian 0.0410 or
English 0.1350 Irish 0.7175 Hungary 0.1067 Georgian 0.0407 or
Irish 0.7800 French 0.1223 Poland 0.0524 Georgian 0.0452 or
Irish 0.8101 Spain 0.0900 Lithuania 0.0537 Georgian 0.0462

It appears that each analysis has some differences with population bias?

MJost

CelticGerman
02-01-2015, 09:14 PM
My Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 46.29
2 Baltic 28.63
3 West_Med 13.51
4 West_Asian 6.99
5 East_Med 3.13


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 North_German @ 4.104201
2 North_Dutch @ 5.499950
3 Danish @ 5.772487
4 Swedish @ 6.094767
5 Norwegian @ 6.447769
6 Orcadian @ 7.089738
7 Southeast_English @ 7.631670
8 Irish @ 7.942254
9 South_Dutch @ 8.497402
10 West_German @ 9.004834
11 West_Scottish @ 9.108784
12 Southwest_English @ 9.159021
13 East_German @ 10.425973
14 Austrian @ 10.705826
15 North_Swedish @ 11.398793
16 French @ 15.454529
17 Hungarian @ 16.028435
18 Southwest_Finnish @ 19.441465
19 South_Polish @ 21.027185
20 Croatian @ 21.569326

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% East_German +50% Irish @ 2.500107


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% Southwest_English +25% Ukrainian @ 1.810421


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Irish + Irish + Southwest_English + Ukrainian @ 1.810421
2 Irish + Irish + South_Polish + Southwest_English @ 1.924313
3 Irish + North_Dutch + South_Polish + Southwest_English @ 1.938837
4 Irish + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.945763
5 Irish + Southwest_English + Ukrainian + West_Scottish @ 1.975272
6 Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.981705
7 Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Ukrainian_Belgorod + West_Scottish @ 1.983144
8 Irish + Irish + South_Polish + Southeast_English @ 1.991320
9 Norwegian + South_Polish + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.008131
10 Irish + Orcadian + South_Polish + Southwest_English @ 2.018387
11 Irish + Irish + Southwest_English + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.022586
12 Croatian + Irish + Irish + Norwegian @ 2.026682
13 Irish + Irish + Southeast_English + Ukrainian @ 2.043600
14 North_Dutch + South_Polish + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.052334
15 Croatian + Irish + Norwegian + Southwest_English @ 2.054960
16 Irish + Orcadian + Southwest_English + Ukrainian @ 2.058085
17 Irish + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Ukrainian @ 2.066217
18 Irish + North_Dutch + Southwest_English + Ukrainian @ 2.075021
19 Irish + Irish + Southeast_English + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.092234
20 Irish + Irish + Irish + Ukrainian @ 2.100365

CelticGerman
02-01-2015, 09:22 PM
My uncle (he is North German, with West Eurasia K8 he was 49.73% WHG):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 48.56
2 Baltic 31.79
3 West_Med 10.84
4 West_Asian 4.33
5 East_Med 2.73


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Swedish @ 2.707749
2 Norwegian @ 4.553067
3 North_German @ 5.944672
4 Danish @ 5.977816
5 North_Dutch @ 6.038763
6 North_Swedish @ 7.886120
7 Orcadian @ 8.185390
8 Irish @ 9.168337
9 Southeast_English @ 9.684360
10 West_Scottish @ 9.971437
11 Southwest_English @ 11.270903
12 South_Dutch @ 12.634671
13 East_German @ 12.667835
14 West_German @ 13.219264
15 Austrian @ 13.752573
16 Southwest_Finnish @ 16.756420
17 Hungarian @ 18.237757
18 French @ 19.563654
19 South_Polish @ 21.091669
20 Polish @ 22.840420

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Swedish +50% Swedish @ 2.707749


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Norwegian +25% Southeast_English +25% Southwest_Finnish @ 1.859033


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Norwegian + Norwegian + Southeast_English + Southwest_Finnish @ 1.859033
2 Norwegian + Norwegian + Southwest_English + Southwest_Finnish @ 2.027719
3 Estonian + Norwegian + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 2.124475
4 North_Dutch + Norwegian + Southeast_English + Southwest_Finnish @ 2.125978
5 North_Dutch + North_Dutch + Norwegian + Southwest_Finnish @ 2.146308
6 Norwegian + Norwegian + Orcadian + Southwest_Finnish @ 2.164437
7 Norwegian + Southwest_English + Southwest_Finnish + Swedish @ 2.166771
8 North_Dutch + Norwegian + Orcadian + Southwest_Finnish @ 2.172679
9 Norwegian + Southeast_English + Southwest_Finnish + Swedish @ 2.197268
10 Estonian + Norwegian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.201222
11 Estonian + Norwegian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.245234
12 North_Dutch + Norwegian + Norwegian + Southwest_Finnish @ 2.249620
13 Irish + North_Dutch + Norwegian + Southwest_Finnish @ 2.254676
14 Irish + Norwegian + Norwegian + Southwest_Finnish @ 2.255145
15 Danish + Norwegian + Southeast_English + Southwest_Finnish @ 2.270315
16 Estonian + North_Dutch + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.277299
17 Danish + Norwegian + Orcadian + Southwest_Finnish @ 2.278158
18 Norwegian + Norwegian + Southwest_Finnish + West_Scottish @ 2.279320
19 North_Dutch + Southwest_English + Southwest_Finnish + Swedish @ 2.283755
20 North_Dutch + Norwegian + Southwest_Finnish + West_Scottish @ 2.287163

happybird
02-11-2015, 06:43 PM
Hi, I am new to the forum, and don't understand my results at GEDMatch for the Eurogenes K13. I have registered with this forum in the hopes that someone may help me out to understand what this all means for me. :) I have posted my results below. Thank you!!


Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source)
1 83.8% Orcadian
2 95.1% Swedish
3 95.2% Swedish
4 79.4% Southwest_English
5 95.4% Swedish
6 95.1% Swedish
7 85.5% Orcadian
8 81.7% Irish
9 83.4% Irish
10 95.6% Swedish
11 95.7% Swedish
12 72.7% Southwest_English
13 80.4% West_Scottish
14 94.9% Swedish
15 91.3% Swedish
16 95.8% Swedish
17 79.4% Orcadian
18 96.1% Swedish
19 81.4% Southwest_English
20 91.6% Swedish

Secondary Population (source)
16.2% Chuvash
4.9% Bantu_N.E.
4.8% Luhya
20.6% Chuvash
4.6% Biaka_Pygmy
4.9% Mbuti_Pygmy
14.5% Mari
18.3% Chuvash
16.6% Mari
4.4% Bantu_S.E.
4.3% Bantu_S.W.
27.3% East_Finnish
19.6% Chuvash
5.1% San
8.7% Mozabite_Berber
4.2% Mandenka
20.6% Kargopol_Russian
3.9% Yoruban
18.6% Mari
8.4% Moroccan

Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 44.74
2 Baltic 27.79
3 West_Med 11.9
4 West_Asian 4.38
5 Siberian 3.47
6 Sub-Saharan 3.42
7 Red_Sea 1.45
8 Amerindian 1.08
9 Northeast_African 0.84
10 Oceanian 0.55
11 South_Asian 0.4

Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Swedish 6.84
2 North_German 7.28
3 North_Dutch 7.92
4 Norwegian 7.94
5 Danish 8.01
6 Orcadian 8.3
7 Irish 9.27
8 North_Swedish 9.66
9 Southeast_English 9.68
10 West_Scottish 9.88
11 South_Dutch 10.08
12 Southwest_English 10.34
13 West_German 10.63
14 East_German 11.07
15 Austrian 11.68
16 Hungarian 15.29
17 French 15.5
18 Southwest_Finnish 16.31
19 South_Polish 19.07
20 Croatian 19.75

K13 4-Ancestors
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 44.74
2 Baltic 27.79
3 West_Med 11.90
4 West_Asian 4.38
5 Siberian 3.47
6 Sub-Saharan 3.42
7 Red_Sea 1.45
8 Amerindian 1.08

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Swedish @ 7.188000
2 North_German @ 7.612952
3 North_Dutch @ 8.393011
4 Norwegian @ 8.440544
5 Danish @ 8.491933
6 Orcadian @ 8.966162
7 Irish @ 10.019761
8 North_Swedish @ 10.482388
9 Southeast_English @ 10.493650
10 West_Scottish @ 10.814046
11 South_Dutch @ 11.051782
12 Southwest_English @ 11.252694
13 West_German @ 11.787721
14 East_German @ 12.231286
15 Austrian @ 12.976583
16 French @ 17.320042
17 Hungarian @ 17.382141
18 Southwest_Finnish @ 18.213726
19 South_Polish @ 21.560263
20 Croatian @ 22.501213

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% North_Swedish +50% Southwest_English @ 5.915137

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% Kargopol_Russian +25% Southwest_English @ 4.945414

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Kargopol_Russian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 4.789709
2 Kargopol_Russian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.803802
3 Kargopol_Russian + Orcadian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 4.826226
4 East_Finnish + Irish + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 4.839385
5 Irish + Kargopol_Russian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 4.842170
6 East_Finnish + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 4.846754
7 Kargopol_Russian + Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 4.846919
8 East_Finnish + Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 4.850548
9 Irish + Kargopol_Russian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 4.860763
10 East_Finnish + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 4.889222
11 Irish + Kargopol_Russian + Orcadian + Southwest_English @ 4.903135
12 Kargopol_Russian + Orcadian + Orcadian + Southwest_English @ 4.926160
13 Kargopol_Russian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 4.934982
14 East_Finnish + South_Dutch + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 4.942588
15 Irish + Irish + Kargopol_Russian + Southwest_English @ 4.945414
16 East_Finnish + Irish + South_Dutch + Southwest_English @ 4.963741
17 Kargopol_Russian + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.978524
18 East_Finnish + South_Dutch + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.982982
19 Kargopol_Russian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.992340
20 East_Finnish + Irish + Orcadian + Southwest_English @ 4.995911

Salkin
02-12-2015, 01:19 PM
Hi, I am new to the forum, and don't understand my results at GEDMatch for the Eurogenes K13. I have registered with this forum in the hopes that someone may help me out to understand what this all means for me. :) I have posted my results below. Thank you!!

Welcome to the forum! What is your known ancestry? Knowing that will be very helpful in interpreting your results.

Salkin
02-12-2015, 01:29 PM
I thought I had posted my mother's K13 result here, but apparently only my own. Here's her result; paper trail is 100% Swedish.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 48.8
2 Baltic 30.42
3 West_Med 12.06
4 West_Asian 2.42
5 Red_Sea 1.81
6 South_Asian 1.7
7 Amerindian 1.6
8 East_Med 0.63
9 Northeast_African 0.28
10 Siberian 0.24
11 Sub-Saharan 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Swedish 4.24
2 Norwegian 4.78
3 North_Dutch 5.72
4 Danish 5.78
5 North_German 6.35
6 Orcadian 6.69
7 Irish 7.39
8 West_Scottish 8
9 Southeast_English 8.23
10 North_Swedish 8.56
11 Southwest_English 9.04
12 South_Dutch 11.1
13 West_German 11.98
14 East_German 11.99
15 Austrian 13.01
16 Southwest_Finnish 16.16
17 French 16.79
18 Hungarian 17.09
19 South_Polish 19.88
20 Polish 21.19

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 75.8% West_Scottish + 24.2% Estonian @ 3.06
2 78.8% West_Scottish + 21.2% Lithuanian @ 3.18
3 68.5% West_Scottish + 31.5% Southwest_Finnish @ 3.3
4 77.8% Irish + 22.2% Estonian @ 3.32
5 70.6% Irish + 29.4% Southwest_Finnish @ 3.33
6 51.6% North_Swedish + 48.4% Southwest_English @ 3.38
7 92.4% Swedish + 7.6% French_Basque @ 3.41
8 80.1% Orcadian + 19.9% Estonian @ 3.43
9 65.4% Southwest_English + 34.6% Southwest_Finnish @ 3.44
10 73.5% Southwest_English + 26.5% Estonian @ 3.5
11 82.7% Orcadian + 17.3% Lithuanian @ 3.5
12 90.9% Swedish + 9.1% Southwest_French @ 3.5
13 80.8% Irish + 19.2% Lithuanian @ 3.56
14 77.6% West_Scottish + 22.4% Estonian_Polish @ 3.57
15 54.6% Irish + 45.4% North_Swedish @ 3.59
16 73.6% Orcadian + 26.4% Southwest_Finnish @ 3.59
17 77.3% West_Scottish + 22.7% Belorussian @ 3.6
18 91.8% Swedish + 8.2% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.63
19 52.1% West_Scottish + 47.9% North_Swedish @ 3.64
20 92.7% Swedish + 7.3% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.67

happybird
02-12-2015, 11:28 PM
Welcome to the forum! What is your known ancestry? Knowing that will be very helpful in interpreting your results.

According to Ancestry DNA, I have (in order) Scandinavian, Finnish/Northwest Russian, Irish, Iberian Peninsula, Africa Southeastern Bantu, Middle Eastern dna. I hope that's what you mean. I just don't understand all the admixture, population mumble jumble in GEDMatch. I am hoping it is giving me much more information than Ancestry did (which it appears to); however, it's a jumble of words to me at this point. Nothing I can pull from it myself. :)

shaysimp
02-12-2015, 11:44 PM
I too have Appalachian roots mostly in Kentucky and Virginia. My DNA looks similar as well, where do the high Iberian percentages come from? I do not have any know Spanish ancestors, but I do have some French Huguenot ancestors maybe my Dutch ancestry could have some Iberian lines? Im not sure if the East Asian should be counted as Native American or could it be from some ancient line.

1 North_Atlantic 48.80
2 Baltic 24.28
3 West_Med 13.09
4 East_Med 4.48
5 West_Asian 3.59
6 Red_Sea 1.85
7 East_Asian 1.46
8 Amerindian 1.39

1 Southeast_English @ 3.641643
2 Orcadian @ 4.335219
3 North_Dutch @ 4.799038
4 Danish @ 5.264318
5 Southwest_English @ 5.407143
6 Irish @ 5.794860
7 West_Scottish @ 6.082659
8 North_German @ 6.180399
9 South_Dutch @ 6.933231
10 Norwegian @ 7.092179
11 West_German @ 8.384927
12 Swedish @ 8.861094
13 French @ 12.912910
14 Austrian @ 14.129674
15 East_German @ 14.563626
16 North_Swedish @ 14.825918
17 Hungarian @ 19.407600
18 Spanish_Cataluna @ 21.020578
19 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 22.090290
20 Southwest_French @ 22.104948

1 Norwegian + Norwegian + Norwegian + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.173920
2 Norwegian + Norwegian + Norwegian + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.297046
3 Norwegian + Norwegian + Norwegian + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.337718
4 Norwegian + Norwegian + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Swedish @ 2.342788
5 Norwegian + Norwegian + Norwegian + Portuguese @ 2.353430
6 Norwegian + Norwegian + Spanish_Murcia + Swedish @ 2.392663
7 Norwegian + Norwegian + Norwegian + Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.438906
8 North_Dutch + Norwegian + Norwegian + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.494722
9 French + Norwegian + Norwegian + Southeast_English @ 2.502677
10 Danish + Norwegian + Norwegian + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.513845
11 North_Dutch + Norwegian + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Swedish @ 2.525258
12 Norwegian + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Swedish + West_Scottish @ 2.531262
13 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Swedish + Swedish + West_Scottish @ 2.548025
14 Norwegian + Norwegian + Norwegian + Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.573877
15 North_Dutch + Norwegian + Norwegian + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.576199
16 Irish + Norwegian + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Swedish @ 2.597058
17 French + Norwegian + Southwest_English + Swedish @ 2.597262
18 Danish + Norwegian + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Swedish @ 2.602661
19 French + Orcadian + Orcadian + Swedish @ 2.611347
20 Norwegian + Orcadian + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Swedish @ 2.616632

Gray Fox
02-13-2015, 01:13 AM
According to Ancestry DNA, I have (in order) Scandinavian, Finnish/Northwest Russian, Irish, Iberian Peninsula, Africa Southeastern Bantu, Middle Eastern dna. I hope that's what you mean. I just don't understand all the admixture, population mumble jumble in GEDMatch. I am hoping it is giving me much more information than Ancestry did (which it appears to); however, it's a jumble of words to me at this point. Nothing I can pull from it myself. :)

What ethnic group or groups do you consider yourself to be.. For example, do you consider yourself mostly of British ancestry, German? You look to be of Colonial American descent with a tad bit of west African and native American.

Gray Fox
02-13-2015, 01:19 AM
I too have Appalachian roots mostly in Kentucky and Virginia. My DNA looks similar as well, where do the high Iberian percentages come from? I do not have any know Spanish ancestors, but I do have some French Huguenot ancestors maybe my Dutch ancestry could have some Iberian lines? Im not sure if the East Asian should be counted as Native American or could it be from some ancient line.


I have Spanish population references as well. It doesn't necessarily mean that you have Iberian roots. You may have segments that are similar to those of Iberian descent or you may have ancestral input from somewhere more continental and this could be pulling you in that direction.

The one percent range is difficult to determine whether its something real or just noise. There's also the potential that is from an ancient source that was shared by numerous groups.

Salkin
02-13-2015, 08:21 AM
According to Ancestry DNA, I have (in order) Scandinavian, Finnish/Northwest Russian, Irish, Iberian Peninsula, Africa Southeastern Bantu, Middle Eastern dna. I hope that's what you mean. I just don't understand all the admixture, population mumble jumble in GEDMatch. I am hoping it is giving me much more information than Ancestry did (which it appears to); however, it's a jumble of words to me at this point. Nothing I can pull from it myself. :)

As Sam posted, I'm not looking for more test results so much as what you know about your ancestry, based on family history. What do you know about where your ancestors are from?

Genetic genealogy and admixture testing is not a replacement for traditional genealogy, just a way of augmenting it. Knowing your origins based on traditional (paper) genealogy, or just the family folklore on where your ancestors came from, is very helpful in interpreting these results. Of course, if you're an adoptee or otherwise have big gaps in known family history, DNA testing can be helpful anyhow - at least you can make some educated guesses on your ancestry. There was a thread here not long ago by someone who didn't know who her father was and who was trying to figure out his ethnicity based on her admixture calculator results.

For example - it looks like the calculator thinks you're closer to the Swedish reference population than any other. Does that make sense to you? As in, did a lot of your ancestors come from Scandinavia so far as you know from family history?

happybird
02-13-2015, 07:17 PM
As Sam posted, I'm not looking for more test results so much as what you know about your ancestry, based on family history. What do you know about where your ancestors are from?

Genetic genealogy and admixture testing is not a replacement for traditional genealogy, just a way of augmenting it. Knowing your origins based on traditional (paper) genealogy, or just the family folklore on where your ancestors came from, is very helpful in interpreting these results. Of course, if you're an adoptee or otherwise have big gaps in known family history, DNA testing can be helpful anyhow - at least you can make some educated guesses on your ancestry. There was a thread here not long ago by someone who didn't know who her father was and who was trying to figure out his ethnicity based on her admixture calculator results.

For example - it looks like the calculator thinks you're closer to the Swedish reference population than any other. Does that make sense to you? As in, did a lot of your ancestors come from Scandinavia so far as you know from family history?

I can trace my father's family to Finland on Ancestry.com. I have no clue about my mother's side, except some came over to America from Canada, and before that, France. There are some from Ireland as well. Of course, I know that just because one is born somewhere, doesn't make them necessarily that...i.e., the test is showing more Scandinavia, yet my father's family came from Finland, not Sweden. I can only assume that at some point, they migrated out of Sweden or another Scandinavian country into Finland, and then at came here to America. I don't know what Colonial is or what it means in terms of genetics. I don't mean to sound stupid, but what would that mean for me? Interestingly, Ancestrydna did not pick up the American Indian, only GEDMatch did. I ran my dna through GEDMatch's other oracles and it was super interesting, just hard to break down and figure out what it all means. The results I posted were just from their latest test, from what I understand. :)

Salkin
02-13-2015, 07:36 PM
I can trace my father's family to Finland on Ancestry.com. I have no clue about my mother's side, except some came over to America from Canada, and before that, France. There are some from Ireland as well. Of course, I know that just because one is born somewhere, doesn't make them necessarily that...i.e., the test is showing more Scandinavia, yet my father's family came from Finland, not Sweden. I can only assume that at some point, they migrated out of Sweden or another Scandinavian country into Finland, and then at came here to America. I don't know what Colonial is or what it means in terms of genetics. I don't mean to sound stupid, but what would that mean for me? Interestingly, Ancestrydna did not pick up the American Indian, only GEDMatch did. I ran my dna through GEDMatch's other oracles and it was super interesting, just hard to break down and figure out what it all means. The results I posted were just from their latest test, from what I understand. :)

I don't think Colonial means much more than being a mix of many different ethnicities. And it does sound like you have rather mixed ancestry. What can happen with calculators is being a mix of a number of different populations can make you look as though you're from some population in the middle - e.g. a 50% Swede + 50% Italian can look like they're from a Central European group, even though they have no actual Swiss/Austrian/South German/etc ancestry at all. Mixed-mode population sharing and the other mixed variants (the ones that say more than one ethnicity per line) can be more helpful in these cases, but it can be hard to find which suggestions are accurate and not.

I'm guessing that's something like what's happened to you. You've got different ancestral groups pulling you in different directions on the map, and leaving you somewhere that's closest (but still not super close) to the Swedish reference population.

Finland was part of the Kingdom of Sweden from the 1200s until 1809, so it's not hard to imagine some influence turning up that way, but it could also be you just have French pulling you west from the Finnish, say.

For what it's worth, I score 1.45% Amerindian on Eurogenes K13 and I'm all Swede so far as I know. I've been able to trace most lines back to the 1700s or early 1800s and everyone's Swedish and within Sweden. There are a few unknowns; mainly, my paternal grandfather's father is unknown, but I consider it highly unlikely anyone with Amerindian ancestry would have come in that way. I think it might be down to very ancient genetics shared with the ancestors of Native Americans from back when they hadn't yet crossed into America from Siberia.

I'm afraid I might not be bringing much clarity, just noting how many different factors could be at play. It's a complicated field. Maybe some more colonial types might have clearer input to give.

Gray Fox
02-13-2015, 09:18 PM
Colonial American is a mix of mostly British, French, German and in some cases West African and Native American. I didn't know your ancestry so that was just a guess on my part, based on your similarity to Americans of the aforementioned ethnic conglomerate.

shaysimp
02-15-2015, 11:41 PM
I have pretty high Scandinavian results on Ancestry at 33 percent. I know Ancestry was having this issue with a lot of people, its my top population and then Irish is second at 27 percent. When using K13 I get mostly Norwegian as my top population in the oracle.In K15, Irish and Orcadian are my top populations in the orcale. Would this be coming from Viking/Norman ancestors, it seems like a fairly high percentage if this is the case with it being so long ago. Do people of Scots Irish ancestry tend to have higher Scandinavian results?

Gray Fox
02-16-2015, 05:16 PM
I have pretty high Scandinavian results on Ancestry at 33 percent. I know Ancestry was having this issue with a lot of people, its my top population and then Irish is second at 27 percent. When using K13 I get mostly Norwegian as my top population in the oracle.In K15, Irish and Orcadian are my top populations in the orcale. Would this be coming from Viking/Norman ancestors, it seems like a fairly high percentage if this is the case with it being so long ago. Do people of Scots Irish ancestry tend to have higher Scandinavian results?

K15 is the most refined of the eurogenes calculators. Mdlp k23b is also really good. I get a lot of North German on my k13 oracle runs, but as far as I know, my German ancestry is almost entirely from the Palatinate area. So that doesn't make a lot of sense for me. I get Irish and Dutch as my two population make up. Irish, North German and Southwest French make up my three population prediction. I don't think these calculators have a good representative population for South Germans, so it may just place me there because its the best/closest fit. The Irish score high on the Northwest Atlantic population reference, so I'm thinking because I have a lot of British ancestry that I may be getting "Irish" for that reason.

My point is that I wouldn't place too much weight into these population references. Think of them as more of a general guideline and not in such specific terms. My K15 oracle gives me Orcadian and west Norwegian in all my population references, and I certainly don't have any Norwegian ancestry. Its just that I'm getting pulled in that direction.

I can't say for sure on the Irish and Scots having more Scandinavian input, but from what I've observed they're no more admixed with Scandinavians than lets say, the English. Though the English have also had more populations admixed into their gene pool than the Scots and especially the Irish. So the Irish and Scots have retained a higher Northwest atlantic vibe, while the English get pulled further south.

MitchellSince1893
02-16-2015, 06:45 PM
K15 is the most refined of the eurogenes calculators. Mdlp k23b is also really good. I get a lot of North German on my k13 oracle runs, but as far as I know, my German ancestry is almost entirely from the Palatinate area. So that doesn't make a lot of sense for me. I get Irish and Dutch as my two population make up. Irish, North German and Southwest French make up my three population prediction. I don't think these calculators have a good representative population for South Germans, so it may just place me there because its the best/closest fit. The Irish score high on the Northwest Atlantic population reference, so I'm thinking because I have a lot of British ancestry that I may be getting "Irish" for that reason.

My point is that I wouldn't place too much weight into these population references. Think of them as more of a general guideline and not in such specific terms. My K15 oracle gives me Orcadian and west Norwegian in all my population references, and I certainly don't have any Norwegian ancestry. Its just that I'm getting pulled in that direction.

I can't say for sure on the Irish and Scots having more Scandinavian input, but from what I've observed they're no more admixed with Scandinavians than lets say, the English. Though the English have also had more populations admixed into their gene pool than the Scots and especially the Irish. So the Irish and Scots have retained a higher Northwest atlantic vibe, while the English get pulled further south.

Based on my own results with K15 and K13, I'm wondering if K15 shows more recent ancestry locations while K13 is older. If North German in K13 is thought of as Angles and Saxon homelands then it makes sense for my ancestry.

CelticGerman
02-16-2015, 07:27 PM
Based on my own results with K15 and K13, I'm wondering if K15 shows more recent ancestry locations while K13 is older. If North German in K13 is thought of as Angles and Saxon homelands then it makes sense for my ancestry.

North German should be a mix of Angles and Saxons as well as Frisians (who were mixed with Saxons), Dutch, Flemings and Danes. Probably some Slavs too.

shaysimp
02-16-2015, 08:13 PM
Thanks makes more sense to me now. I have a lot of ancestors from Baden Wurtemmberg area, could be why I pull more South West French populations on the oracle.

Jessie
02-18-2015, 04:14 AM
I've posted my K13 in this thread and my top population is North Dutch. This is my K15 and on my mixed population I come out 50% Irish and 50% North Dutch. I'm fully Irish and on all these calculators North Dutch (or on K23b Frisian) is very prominent. Now Irish don't have much Anglo-Saxon mix so what do people think the reason for this is? I've personally come to the conclusion that before Celts and Germanics these populations must obviously have a similar source otherwise what can explain such close clustering? I don't know how Americans will ever sort out their ancestry looking at these calculators.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 37.04
2 Atlantic 29.88
3 Baltic 11.89
4 Eastern_Euro 8.75
5 West_Asian 5.16
6 West_Med 4.95
7 Amerindian 1.15
8 Red_Sea 1.10


Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Irish @ 3.425280
2 West_Scottish @ 3.557808
3 North_Dutch @ 4.181393
4 Danish @ 4.453959
5 Orcadian @ 5.505360
6 Southeast_English @ 5.676529
7 North_German @ 5.882824
8 Southwest_English @ 7.466283
9 Norwegian @ 8.417722
10 West_Norwegian @ 8.735489
11 Swedish @ 9.296607
12 South_Dutch @ 11.184519
13 West_German @ 12.499153
14 North_Swedish @ 12.662151
15 East_German @ 16.492691
16 French @ 16.524723
17 Southwest_Finnish @ 17.903034
18 Austrian @ 21.142027
19 Finnish @ 21.647963
20 Hungarian @ 21.914810

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +50% North_Dutch @ 3.203073


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% North_Dutch +25% West_Scottish @ 3.143203


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Irish + North_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.125094
2 North_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.128713
3 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + West_Scottish @ 3.143203
4 Irish + Irish + North_German + Orcadian @ 3.144938
5 Irish + Irish + Irish + North_Dutch @ 3.150105
6 Irish + North_German + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 3.159487
7 Irish + Irish + North_German + West_Scottish @ 3.182833
8 North_Dutch + North_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.183386
9 Irish + North_Dutch + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.193700
10 Irish + North_Dutch + North_German + West_Scottish @ 3.195021
11 North_German + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.202463
12 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + North_Dutch @ 3.203073
13 Danish + Irish + Irish + North_Dutch @ 3.235043
14 Danish + Irish + Irish + Irish @ 3.235556
15 Irish + North_Dutch + North_Dutch + West_Scottish @ 3.238354
16 Danish + Irish + Irish + West_Scottish @ 3.248949
17 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + North_German @ 3.252259
18 Irish + Irish + Irish + Swedish @ 3.254036
19 Irish + North_Dutch + North_German + Orcadian @ 3.259177
20 Irish + Irish + Irish + North_German @ 3.268316

Done.


My mother on the K15 gets this population mix
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% North_German +50% Orcadian @ 3.030039

My brother's K15

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Orcadian @ 3.213047
2 West_Scottish @ 3.800461
3 North_Dutch @ 4.402150
4 Danish @ 4.449411
5 Irish @ 4.582540
6 Southeast_English @ 4.794890
7 Southwest_English @ 5.671537
8 North_German @ 7.275247
9 Norwegian @ 7.684995
10 West_Norwegian @ 7.760220
11 Swedish @ 9.670259
12 South_Dutch @ 10.405709
13 West_German @ 10.965762
14 North_Swedish @ 12.858974
15 French @ 15.257990
16 East_German @ 16.842857
17 Southwest_Finnish @ 19.094088
18 Austrian @ 21.992764
19 Hungarian @ 22.408499
20 Finnish @ 22.635736

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Danish +50% Orcadian @ 2.700008


He is M222 so obviously very Irish.

My daughter's top population on the K15 is Southwest English and using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Orcadian +50% Southwest_English @ 2.958911

Gray Fox
02-18-2015, 05:36 AM
I've posted my K13 in this thread and my top population is North Dutch. This is my K15 and on my mixed population I come out 50% Irish and 50% North Dutch. I'm fully Irish and on all these calculators North Dutch (or on K23b Frisian) is very prominent. Now Irish don't have much Anglo-Saxon mix so what do people think the reason for this is? I've personally come to the conclusion that before Celts and Germanics these populations must obviously have a similar source otherwise what can explain such close clustering? I don't know how Americans will ever sort out their ancestry looking at these calculators.


Its a nightmare :wacko:

avalon
02-18-2015, 07:58 AM
I've posted my K13 in this thread and my top population is North Dutch. This is my K15 and on my mixed population I come out 50% Irish and 50% North Dutch. I'm fully Irish and on all these calculators North Dutch (or on K23b Frisian) is very prominent. Now Irish don't have much Anglo-Saxon mix so what do people think the reason for this is? I've personally come to the conclusion that before Celts and Germanics these populations must obviously have a similar source otherwise what can explain such close clustering? I don't know how Americans will ever sort out their ancestry looking at these calculators.

Jessie,

Looking at Irish history, the Anglo-Normans invaded and settled from the 12th century and then in the 1500 and 1600s we have the English plantation settlers in Ireland. I wonder how much impact they had on Irish DNA and if this could explain the modern admixture being pulled towards Northern Germanics?

shaysimp
02-19-2015, 02:11 AM
Just noticed on GED match that I am matching with a lot of people who are Finnish. Most of these matches are 4 or more generations removed from me. I have ran their kit numbers and they end up with Native American percentages of 2-3 percent, and 6 percent Siberian. These matches were born in Finland, I do not have any known Finnish ancestry, my ancestors are all Appalachian folk dating back their arrival to colonial times. Im curious how many people with suspected Native Ancestry end up pulling Finnish/Northwest Russian instead.

Jessie
02-19-2015, 07:25 AM
Jessie,

Looking at Irish history, the Anglo-Normans invaded and settled from the 12th century and then in the 1500 and 1600s we have the English plantation settlers in Ireland. I wonder how much impact they had on Irish DNA and if this could explain the modern admixture being pulled towards Northern Germanics?

Just my opinion and from what I've noticed looking at some other Irish results it appears to be something more ancient than any influx of English or Normans. In general the Irish are more northern shifted than the English and this is why I think that the population had an origin similar to other north-western Europeans. This also seems to be the most logical conclusion. All these populations are clustered together showing a similarity in genetics no matter whether they spoke Celtic or Germanic languages.

avalon
02-19-2015, 08:46 PM
Just my opinion and from what I've noticed looking at some other Irish results it appears to be something more ancient than any influx of English or Normans. In general the Irish are more northern shifted than the English and this is why I think that the population had an origin similar to other north-western Europeans. This also seems to be the most logical conclusion. All these populations are clustered together showing a similarity in genetics no matter whether they spoke Celtic or Germanic languages.

You may well be right. Which Irish results are you thinking of, is it mainly through Eurogenes and Dodecad?

The reason I ask is that the People of the British Isles project have released bits of information that suggest Cornwall and Wales have significant autosomalDNA affinity with Western France. There was a map that showed Northern Ireland and Western Scotland also having noticeable genetic affinity with Western France. Obviously they didn't test Ireland but we can assume that there are similarities with the UK.

The archaeological links between Western France, (primarily Armorica) Western Britain and Ireland go back a long time to the Neolithic and the Atlantic Megalithic culture so I am surprised we aren't seeing this in other DNA studies, etc. POBI have yet to release the final paper but they have been collecting rural samples for many years.

SwampThing27
02-19-2015, 10:16 PM
You may well be right. Which Irish results are you thinking of, is it mainly through Eurogenes and Dodecad?

The reason I ask is that the People of the British Isles project have released bits of information that suggest Cornwall and Wales have significant autosomalDNA affinity with Western France. There was a map that showed Northern Ireland and Western Scotland also having noticeable genetic affinity with Western France. Obviously they didn't test Ireland but we can assume that there are similarities with the UK.

The archaeological links between Western France, (primarily Armorica) Western Britain and Ireland go back a long time to the Neolithic and the Atlantic Megalithic culture so I am surprised we aren't seeing this in other DNA studies, etc. POBI have yet to release the final paper but they have been collecting rural samples for many years.

I wonder how ANE in Ireland compares to ANE in Western France.

Jessie
02-20-2015, 03:26 AM
You may well be right. Which Irish results are you thinking of, is it mainly through Eurogenes and Dodecad?

The reason I ask is that the People of the British Isles project have released bits of information that suggest Cornwall and Wales have significant autosomalDNA affinity with Western France. There was a map that showed Northern Ireland and Western Scotland also having noticeable genetic affinity with Western France. Obviously they didn't test Ireland but we can assume that there are similarities with the UK.

The archaeological links between Western France, (primarily Armorica) Western Britain and Ireland go back a long time to the Neolithic and the Atlantic Megalithic culture so I am surprised we aren't seeing this in other DNA studies, etc. POBI have yet to release the final paper but they have been collecting rural samples for many years.

I thought the affinity with Western France was more with Wales as I remember reading that they had an affinity with France and Ireland whereas Western Scotland has an affinity with Ireland so why would they differentiate if they were the same? I'm surprisingly quite distant from the French on Gedmatch but I don't know what area of France they include in their databases. I'd presume I'd be closer to Brittany. All my family appear to be closer to West Scots, Orcadians, North Dutch and Norwegian populations. I also cluster on the Scandinavian / British Isles genetic border according to Davidski. Both my mother and myself also have high ANE levels per the K8 and there is also the more northerly clustering of the Irish to consider so it would be great when the Irish DNA Atlas results come out. I know that looking at the R1b-L21 results that Northern France appears to have quite a bit of this like Ireland and Britain.

Jessie
02-20-2015, 03:28 AM
I wonder how ANE in Ireland compares to ANE in Western France.

Ireland is higher in ANE than Western France. All the Irish on here that have had their K8 done are between 15-17% ANE. I think Western France is a few percentages lower.

Tolan
02-20-2015, 07:14 AM
You may well be right. Which Irish results are you thinking of, is it mainly through Eurogenes and Dodecad?

The reason I ask is that the People of the British Isles project have released bits of information that suggest Cornwall and Wales have significant autosomalDNA affinity with Western France. There was a map that showed Northern Ireland and Western Scotland also having noticeable genetic affinity with Western France. Obviously they didn't test Ireland but we can assume that there are similarities with the UK.

The archaeological links between Western France, (primarily Armorica) Western Britain and Ireland go back a long time to the Neolithic and the Atlantic Megalithic culture so I am surprised we aren't seeing this in other DNA studies, etc. POBI have yet to release the final paper but they have been collecting rural samples for many years.

The component "atlantic" in Eurogenes K15 shows the relationship between the Atlantic coast. In the north-west of France it varies between 30 and 35% for this component.
The Irish are distinguished by a higher rate of North Sea / Baltic / Eastern Euro than French

avalon
02-20-2015, 01:43 PM
I thought the affinity with Western France was more with Wales as I remember reading that they had an affinity with France and Ireland whereas Western Scotland has an affinity with Ireland so why would they differentiate if they were the same? I'm surprisingly quite distant from the French on Gedmatch but I don't know what area of France they include in their databases. I'd presume I'd be closer to Brittany. All my family appear to be closer to West Scots, Orcadians, North Dutch and Norwegian populations. I also cluster on the Scandinavian / British Isles genetic border according to Davidski. Both my mother and myself also have high ANE levels per the K8 and there is also the more northerly clustering of the Irish to consider so it would be great when the Irish DNA Atlas results come out. I know that looking at the R1b-L21 results that Northern France appears to have quite a bit of this like Ireland and Britain.

Yes, I was going by this pie chart released by POBI. Of course it is only preliminary findings.

http://www.anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2917&d=1415573692

The Western France component is the light blue and you can see it is highest in Wales, then less so in Cornwall and Western Scotland/N Ireland. To my eye this W France component is much more significant in the "Celtic" parts of the Isles than in the more Germanic English parts.

I am just struck by how POBI appear to be saying different things to gedmatch, eurogenes, etc. For example, Orkney is supposedly the most separate of all the UK clusters and yet it is a close match for you on gedmatch.

I wonder if this is because the POBI data and sampling locations are different to what we are seeing elsewhere.

Hopefully the Irish DNA atlas has collected samples from Gaelic speakers with local ancestry in the gaeltacht as presumably these people are the best proxy for the indigenous (pre-Viking) Irish.

Jessie
02-20-2015, 02:11 PM
I was going on this map.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-GfBY7dXFSEE/VNrz4CIcBhI/AAAAAAAAJ6w/Hv38EASWsR4/s1600/UK.jpg

There is some good comments about the map on this blog.

http://dienekes.blogspot.com.au/2015/02/a-genetic-map-of-british-population.html

Here's my brother's K15 with Orcadian as his top population.

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 38.02
2 Atlantic 28.50
3 Eastern_Euro 9.98
4 Baltic 9.12
5 West_Med 7.56
6 West_Asian 5.23


Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Orcadian @ 3.213047
2 West_Scottish @ 3.800461
3 North_Dutch @ 4.402150
4 Danish @ 4.449411
5 Irish @ 4.582540
6 Southeast_English @ 4.794890
7 Southwest_English @ 5.671537
8 North_German @ 7.275247
9 Norwegian @ 7.684995
10 West_Norwegian @ 7.760220
11 Swedish @ 9.670259
12 South_Dutch @ 10.405709
13 West_German @ 10.965762
14 North_Swedish @ 12.858974
15 French @ 15.257990
16 East_German @ 16.842857
17 Southwest_Finnish @ 19.094088
18 Austrian @ 21.992764
19 Hungarian @ 22.408499
20 Finnish @ 22.635736

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Danish +50% Orcadian @ 2.700008


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Danish +25% Orcadian +25% Orcadian @ 2.700008


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 North_German + Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 2.468943
2 Danish + Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 2.606963
3 Danish + Orcadian + Orcadian + Southwest_English @ 2.664194
4 Danish + Danish + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 2.700008
5 Danish + Orcadian + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 2.719922
6 Danish + Orcadian + Orcadian + Southeast_English @ 2.725399
7 Danish + North_Dutch + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 2.767285
8 North_German + Orcadian + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 2.777022
9 Danish + Irish + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 2.791629
10 North_Dutch + Orcadian + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 2.816727
11 North_Dutch + Orcadian + Orcadian + Southeast_English @ 2.820725
12 North_Dutch + Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 2.830852
13 North_Dutch + Orcadian + Orcadian + Southwest_English @ 2.836830
14 Danish + North_German + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 2.876363
15 Irish + North_Dutch + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 2.906238
16 Norwegian + Orcadian + Orcadian + Southeast_English @ 2.906962
17 North_German + Orcadian + Orcadian + Southwest_English @ 2.914979
18 North_Dutch + North_German + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 2.926702
19 Norwegian + Orcadian + Orcadian + Southwest_English @ 2.933666
20 North_Dutch + North_Dutch + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 2.943340

Bollox79
02-22-2015, 06:54 AM
Hey Jessie I've spoken with you before! Just wanted some input on the K13 and the K15 as I seem to get different results. K13 actually fits alright from what I know of my ancestry as my father's father's side is very recently Scottish and Ulster Scot... Mom's side is Scottish and Irish, and Dad's Mom's side is Dutch and actually a bit of eastern/Russian as I found I have a 5th Russian cousin with ancestry from all over Russia.

K15, on the other hand, makes me look much more German/Norwegian. Any reason there for the difference? I find that overall K13 is closer for me. Any thoughts guys and girls?

K13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 44.89
2 Baltic 23.73
3 West_Med 13.61
4 West_Asian 8.64
5 East_Med 4.85
6 Amerindian 1.49
7 Siberian 1.09
8 South_Asian 0.64
9 Northeast_African 0.43
10 Oceanian 0.32
11 East_Asian 0.3
12 Sub-Saharan 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_German 4.42
2 South_Dutch 4.44
3 North_German 5.38
4 Southeast_English 6.3
5 North_Dutch 6.71
6 Danish 6.78
7 Orcadian 6.88
8 Irish 7.54
9 Southwest_English 7.74
10 West_Scottish 8.33
11 Norwegian 8.62
12 Swedish 9.35
13 Austrian 9.5
14 French 10.22
15 East_German 10.49
16 Hungarian 13.84
17 North_Swedish 13.93
18 Spanish_Cataluna 17.75
19 Serbian 18.59
20 Spanish_Galicia 18.95

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 74.7% Irish + 25.3% Romanian @ 2.02
2 77.1% Irish + 22.9% Bulgarian @ 2.03
3 88.9% Southeast_English + 11.1% Kabardin @ 2.28
4 87.8% Orcadian + 12.2% Kumyk @ 2.36
5 72.8% West_Scottish + 27.2% Romanian @ 2.39
6 75.4% West_Scottish + 24.6% Bulgarian @ 2.43
7 88.3% Orcadian + 11.7% Balkar @ 2.45
8 89.3% Southeast_English + 10.7% Balkar @ 2.46
9 89.7% Southeast_English + 10.3% North_Ossetian @ 2.47
10 88.5% Orcadian + 11.5% Adygei @ 2.47
11 72.2% Irish + 27.8% Serbian @ 2.5
12 88.9% Southeast_English + 11.1% Chechen @ 2.5
13 88.1% Orcadian + 11.9% Kabardin @ 2.51
14 77% Orcadian + 23% Romanian @ 2.57
15 90.2% Orcadian + 9.8% Abhkasian @ 2.57
16 79.3% Orcadian + 20.7% Bulgarian @ 2.58
17 89.8% Orcadian + 10.2% Georgian @ 2.58
18 88% Southeast_English + 12% Nogay @ 2.59
19 89.6% Southeast_English + 10.4% Adygei @ 2.6
20 88.8% Orcadian + 11.2% North_Ossetian @ 2.64

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 South_Dutch @ 4.919536
2 West_German @ 5.003266
3 North_German @ 5.966847
4 Southeast_English @ 7.196976
5 North_Dutch @ 7.601779
6 Danish @ 7.658591
7 Orcadian @ 7.918227
8 Irish @ 8.657854
9 Southwest_English @ 8.807072
10 West_Scottish @ 9.584450
11 Norwegian @ 9.829489
12 Swedish @ 10.580704
13 Austrian @ 10.779266
14 French @ 11.514505
15 East_German @ 11.909076
16 North_Swedish @ 15.687465
17 Hungarian @ 15.888491
18 Spanish_Cataluna @ 20.001465
19 Spanish_Galicia @ 21.305431
20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 21.423891

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% North_German +50% West_German @ 3.224176


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% Irish +25% Romanian @ 2.141354


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Irish + Irish + Irish + Romanian @ 2.141354
2 Bulgarian + Irish + Irish + Irish @ 2.263877
3 Irish + Irish + Romanian + West_Scottish @ 2.269809
4 Irish + Irish + Orcadian + Romanian @ 2.291136
5 Bulgarian + Irish + Irish + West_Scottish @ 2.333963
6 Irish + Orcadian + Romanian + West_Scottish @ 2.445739
7 Bulgarian + Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.459627
8 Irish + Romanian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.472191
9 Bulgarian + Irish + Irish + Orcadian @ 2.496740
10 Irish + Irish + Romanian + Southwest_English @ 2.545349
11 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + Romanian @ 2.556520
12 Bulgarian + Irish + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 2.570163
13 Irish + Orcadian + Orcadian + Romanian @ 2.573629
14 Irish + North_Dutch + Romanian + West_Scottish @ 2.618237
15 Orcadian + Romanian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.635221
16 Bulgarian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.637296
17 Danish + Irish + Irish + Romanian @ 2.648581
18 Irish + Irish + Norwegian + Romanian @ 2.679498
19 Romanian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.701573
20 Orcadian + Orcadian + Romanian + West_Scottish @ 2.709038

K15 EUtest V2

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 36.64
2 Atlantic 22.06
3 Baltic 9.98
4 Eastern_Euro 9.88
5 West_Med 9.86
6 West_Asian 6.26
7 East_Med 2.44
8 Amerindian 1.26
9 Siberian 0.65
10 South_Asian 0.48
11 Northeast_African 0.23
12 Oceanian 0.15
13 Southeast_Asian 0.09
14 Sub-Saharan 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_German 4.84
2 North_Dutch 6.27
3 Norwegian 6.54
4 Danish 6.86
5 Southwest_English 6.96
6 North_German 7.37
7 Southeast_English 7.48
8 West_Norwegian 7.65
9 Orcadian 7.75
10 Swedish 7.76
11 South_Dutch 7.81
12 West_Scottish 8.43
13 Irish 8.53
14 North_Swedish 10.01
15 French 11.16
16 East_German 11.65
17 Hungarian 15.23
18 Southwest_Finnish 15.4
19 Austrian 16.44
20 Finnish 17.74

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 65.4% West_German + 34.6% West_Norwegian @ 3.14
2 61.1% West_German + 38.9% Norwegian @ 3.2
3 68.3% West_German + 31.7% Orcadian @ 3.66
4 68.4% West_German + 31.6% Swedish @ 3.66
5 80.3% West_Norwegian + 19.7% Tuscan @ 3.67
6 83.6% West_Norwegian + 16.4% Central_Greek @ 3.7
7 82.4% West_Norwegian + 17.6% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.71
8 61.9% West_German + 38.1% North_Dutch @ 3.71
9 77.9% West_Norwegian + 22.1% North_Italian @ 3.78
10 81.2% West_Norwegian + 18.8% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.8
11 83.8% West_Norwegian + 16.2% East_Sicilian @ 3.81
12 84.8% West_Norwegian + 15.2% South_Italian @ 3.82
13 66% West_German + 34% Danish @ 3.86
14 82.6% West_Norwegian + 17.4% Greek @ 3.86
15 83.9% Norwegian + 16.1% Tuscan @ 3.9
16 76.4% West_German + 23.6% North_Swedish @ 3.92
17 85.7% Norwegian + 14.3% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.93
18 81.8% Norwegian + 18.2% North_Italian @ 3.95
19 87.1% West_Norwegian + 12.9% Turkish @ 3.96
20 66.7% Norwegian + 33.3% French @ 3.98

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 West_German @ 5.563033
2 North_Dutch @ 7.146475
3 Norwegian @ 7.506889
4 Danish @ 7.829026
5 Southwest_English @ 8.030698
6 North_German @ 8.410723
7 Southeast_English @ 8.685386
8 Swedish @ 8.807418
9 West_Norwegian @ 8.826406
10 Orcadian @ 8.946053
11 South_Dutch @ 9.045650
12 West_Scottish @ 9.763870
13 Irish @ 9.901299
14 North_Swedish @ 11.383989
15 French @ 12.829905
16 East_German @ 13.466867
17 Southwest_Finnish @ 17.611797
18 Hungarian @ 17.697678
19 Austrian @ 19.149035
20 Finnish @ 20.132435

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Norwegian +50% West_German @ 3.793566


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% West_German +25% West_German +25% West_Norwegian @ 3.745367


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Norwegian + Orcadian + West_German + West_German @ 3.712428
2 West_German + West_German + West_German + West_Norwegian @ 3.745367
3 Norwegian + Norwegian + West_German + West_German @ 3.793566
4 Norwegian + West_German + West_German + West_Norwegian @ 3.830605
5 North_Dutch + Norwegian + West_German + West_German @ 3.850645
6 North_Swedish + Orcadian + West_German + West_German @ 3.852057
7 Orcadian + Swedish + West_German + West_German @ 3.863626
8 North_Dutch + West_German + West_German + West_Norwegian @ 3.885519
9 Southwest_English + West_German + West_German + West_Norwegian @ 3.895491
10 Norwegian + Southwest_English + West_German + West_German @ 3.909769
11 Orcadian + West_German + West_German + West_Norwegian @ 3.922546
12 Norwegian + West_German + West_German + West_German @ 3.923807
13 Danish + West_German + West_German + West_Norwegian @ 3.953429
14 Danish + Norwegian + West_German + West_German @ 3.977878
15 North_German + West_German + West_German + West_Norwegian @ 3.980999
16 French + Norwegian + West_German + West_Norwegian @ 3.994115
17 West_German + West_German + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 4.021219
18 French + West_German + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 4.021851
19 Southwest_English + Swedish + West_German + West_German @ 4.052191
20 South_Dutch + West_German + West_German + West_Norwegian @ 4.081148

Cheers!

Jessie
02-24-2015, 06:25 AM
Hi Bollox79 - I'm not an expert on these calculators and I'm sure there are people here who have a much better understanding like Kurd or other members but I know that the K13 breaks up the North Atlantic and Baltic component of the K15 into 4 components that is the North Sea, Atlantic, Baltic and East European so this obviously has some affect on the results. Both my K13 and K15 are sort of similar and have the usual top populations such as Irish, West Scots, Orcadian, North Dutch, Norwegian these are usually my top population combinations. I think that is because I'm fairly unmixed Irish so all these countries are close geographically and obviously genetically to some extent. I think your results in both the K13 and K15 both have your top population as West German which appears to be where you best fall genetically due to your mix of Scots, Irish, Dutch and Russian. The Russian is pulling you more east to West Germany or roughly in that vacinity. I think both are quite good. I've heard some people say the K13 is the better one.

What do you get for K23b?

I know that Generalissimo posts here and he is the creator of these calculators so he would be the person to ask but I don't think he checks every thread.

Bollox79
02-24-2015, 10:22 AM
Hey Jessie thanks for getting back to me! Yes I recognize you from other forums as you and your brother are from Ireland. One of my best friends (really my best friend and brother) is an Irishman from outside Dublin (Dunshaughlin), but his family is traditionally from Belfast and his surname is McKillan.

K13 seems to do a bit better for me from what I know of my ancestry, though the bit of Eastern DNA via Russian was a bit of a surprise, but then my Great x 2 Grandather (Father's Mother's Mother's Father) was born in Bohemia, Czech Republic and so what his father, but they later reported German ancestry, so probably Northeastern Germans who got mixed into with a Russian for a generation! Yes I agree with you it is pulling me East and I'm landing in West/NW Germany as I'm mostly Irish/Scot with and 1/4 Dutch with that Northeastern German/Russian.

Now MDLP does really well with my one population approximation, and I heard it was the best for people of Northern European descent. Looks like that may be true. I get Irish as my closest pop, followed closely by Dutch... which is really the two main components in my ancestry (Irish being interchangeable with the West Scottish and Northern Irish as I have cousins from both areas... I'm related to quite a lot of Scottish clans actually!) Here are my MDLP results. I couldn't get the reg Oracle to work (it just sits there thinking about it) so I include the Oracle 4 as that does work.

MDLP K23b:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 35.30
2 European_Early_Farmers 25.08
3 Caucasian 21.45
4 South_Central_Asian 9.69
5 Ancestral_Altaic 5.70


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Irish @ 4.386719
2 Dutch @ 5.109706
3 Frisian @ 5.597459
4 English @ 5.714212
5 German-Volga @ 6.306165
6 Belgian @ 6.685241
7 North_European @ 6.895508
8 South_German @ 7.558085
9 CEU @ 7.672678
10 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 7.713944
11 English_Cornwall_GBR @ 7.785637
12 Welsh @ 8.222673
13 English_Kent_GBR @ 8.231990
14 British @ 8.268618
15 Orcadian @ 9.015832
16 Norwegian_East @ 9.215892
17 Icelandic @ 9.292830
18 Dane @ 9.736623
19 North_German @ 9.863080
20 Norwegian_West @ 10.104456

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Dutch +50% Irish @ 4.089223


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Norwegian_West +25% Orcadian +25% Stalskoe_Kumyk @ 3.455102


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Basque_French + Lak + Latvian + Swede @ 1.511232
2 Basque_French + Dargin_Urkarah + Latvian + Swede @ 1.512412
3 Basque_Spanish + Dargin_Urkarah + Latvian + Swede @ 1.548333
4 Basque_Spanish + Lak + Latvian + Swede @ 1.631706
5 Basque_Spanish + Dargin_Urkarah + Estonian + Swede @ 1.675866
6 Basque_Spanish + Estonian + Lak + Swede @ 1.681903
7 Basque_French + Estonian + Lak + Swede @ 1.713542
8 Basque_French + Dargin_Urkarah + Estonian + Swede @ 1.722901
9 Basque_Spanish + Dargin_Urkarah + Latvian + Norwegian_East @ 1.763036
10 Avar + Basque_French + Latvian + Swede @ 1.774487
11 Basque_Spanish + Lak + Latvian + Norwegian_East @ 1.829325
12 Basque_Spanish + Lak + Latvian + Norwegian_West @ 1.835293
13 Basque_Spanish + Dargin_Urkarah + Latvian + Norwegian_West @ 1.835452
14 Avar + Basque_French + Estonian + Swede @ 1.850698
15 Basque_French + Dargin_Urkarah + Lithuanian + Swede @ 1.860554
16 Basque_French + Dargin_Urkarah + Latvian + Norwegian_East @ 1.884792
17 Basque_French + Dane + Dargin_Urkarah + Latvian @ 1.901386
18 Basque_French + Lak + Latvian + Norwegian_East @ 1.917368
19 Avar + Basque_Spanish + Estonian + Swede @ 1.919670
20 Basque_French + Latvian + Swede + Tabassaran @ 1.922706

Bollox79
02-24-2015, 10:32 AM
The south central asian and ancestral Altaic is netting me those weird tribes like the Avars in the 4 pop approximation is would seem... as those tribes are from that part of the world! Interesting! I otherwise appear mostly Northern European though right! So far I've only found one Russian and/or very Eastern 5th cousin though he does have ancestry from that part of the world, southern Russia. Then I found 2 Northern Finnish/Swede from Lappi, Finland, 1 Southern Norwegian, one Northeastern German and one North German right on the border with Denmark, and then a ton (23 so far) Irish/West Scottish/Northern Irish cousins ;-)!

Bollox79
02-24-2015, 10:34 AM
AND a cousin from Northumberland who I match with his Mom's uncles (they are Scottish borders and Norse-Gael from the Western Isles) and I match his wife one some autosomal and share my y-chomosome group with her father! I love finding my cousins and chatting with them... as I end up having a lot in common with them!

Stephen1986
04-02-2015, 11:57 PM
My results -

North_Atlantic 54.18%
Baltic 23.02%
West_Med 12.28%
West_Asian 5.36%
Red_Sea 1.61%
East_Med 1.22%
Northeast_African 0.68%
Oceanian 0.57%
Sub-Saharan 0.43%
Amerindian 0.27%
South_Asian 0.25%
Siberian 0.12%


Using 1 population approximation:
1 West_Scottish @ 1.887308
2 Irish @ 2.821488
3 Orcadian @ 3.989048
4 Southwest_English @ 4.133486
5 North_Dutch @ 5.684833
6 Southeast_English @ 5.974152
7 Danish @ 6.642799
8 Norwegian @ 7.022917
9 North_German @ 9.294105
10 Swedish @ 10.432279
11 South_Dutch @ 12.029748
12 West_German @ 13.616974
13 French @ 17.400509
14 North_Swedish @ 17.622091
15 Austrian @ 19.846951
16 East_German @ 20.077658
17 Spanish_Cataluna @ 24.739714
18 Hungarian @ 25.260046
19 Southwest_French @ 25.263508
20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 25.781931

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% West_Scottish +50% West_Scottish @ 1.887308


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% West_Scottish +25% West_Scottish +25% West_Scottish @ 1.887308


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 1.887308
2 Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.055194
3 Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.124823
4 Irish + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.263193
5 Irish + Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.285085
6 Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.340285
7 Irish + Irish + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.482620
8 Irish + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.508511
9 Irish + Irish + Irish + West_Scottish @ 2.545488
10 Orcadian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.607327
11 North_Dutch + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.608775
12 Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.659666
13 Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.687707
14 Norwegian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.715717
15 Irish + Irish + Irish + Southwest_English @ 2.716233
16 North_Dutch + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.725810
17 Irish + Irish + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 2.740337
18 Irish + Orcadian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.766931
19 Irish + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.784564
20 Norwegian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.795277


My brother's results -

North_Atlantic 51.22%
Baltic 23.41%
West_Med 11.36%
West_Asian 5.43%
East_Med 3.70%
South_Asian 1.75%
Red_Sea 1.29%
Northeast_African 0.89%
Oceanian 0.51%
Amerindian 0.44%


Using 1 population approximation:
1 Orcadian @ 2.808161
2 Irish @ 3.153368
3 West_Scottish @ 3.195018
4 North_Dutch @ 3.530647
5 Southeast_English @ 3.568675
6 Danish @ 3.756282
7 Southwest_English @ 4.345274
8 North_German @ 6.067645
9 Norwegian @ 6.100482
10 Swedish @ 8.917111
11 South_Dutch @ 8.969313
12 West_German @ 10.220156
13 French @ 14.949475
14 North_Swedish @ 15.825350
15 Austrian @ 16.554049
16 East_German @ 16.995647
17 Hungarian @ 21.780699
18 Spanish_Cataluna @ 22.993124
19 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 24.145525
20 Southwest_French @ 24.293489

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Danish +50% Southwest_English @ 2.030796


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Danish +25% Southwest_English +25% West_Scottish @ 1.941773


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 North_German + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 1.776200
2 Danish + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 1.865601
3 Danish + Irish + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 1.916331
4 Danish + Danish + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 1.941773
5 Irish + North_German + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 1.997233
6 Danish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 2.016557
7 Danish + Orcadian + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 2.024963
8 Danish + Danish + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 2.026401
9 Danish + Danish + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.030796
10 North_German + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.034550
11 Danish + North_Dutch + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 2.039659
12 Danish + Irish + Irish + Southeast_English @ 2.045217
13 Danish + North_Dutch + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.050710
14 North_Dutch + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.057781
15 Danish + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.066353
16 Danish + Danish + Irish + Southwest_English @ 2.075377
17 Danish + South_Dutch + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.079982
18 North_German + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.085804
19 Danish + North_German + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.089586
20 Danish + Irish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 2.096086

PureEvil
04-03-2015, 02:25 AM
My Results:
# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 49.13
2 Baltic 23.10
3 West_Med 13.42
4 East_Med 5.87
5 West_Asian 4.56
6 South_Asian 1.80
7 Sub-Saharan 1.27

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Southeast_English @ 2.297327
2 Orcadian @ 4.626673
3 Southwest_English @ 5.072532
4 Danish @ 5.479125
5 North_Dutch @ 5.611393
6 South_Dutch @ 5.950460
7 Irish @ 6.119525
8 West_Scottish @ 6.212315
9 North_German @ 6.579887
10 West_German @ 7.318453
11 Norwegian @ 8.300845
12 Swedish @ 10.267376
13 French @ 11.866662
14 Austrian @ 14.391151
15 East_German @ 15.096681
16 North_Swedish @ 16.369625
17 Hungarian @ 19.649061
18 Spanish_Cataluna @ 19.809412
19 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 21.188890
20 Southwest_French @ 21.341539

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Southeast_English +50% Southeast_English @ 2.297327


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Southeast_English +25% Southeast_English +25% West_German @ 1.861875


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Danish + South_Dutch + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 1.814704
2 Orcadian + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_German @ 1.818788
3 South_Dutch + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 1.859846
4 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_German @ 1.861875
5 Danish + Danish + French + Southeast_English @ 1.888496
6 Orcadian + South_Dutch + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 1.917662
7 Danish + French + Orcadian + Southeast_English @ 1.933072
8 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_German + West_Scottish @ 1.933659
9 Danish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_German @ 1.953651
10 Danish + Danish + Norwegian + Spanish_Cataluna @ 1.970965
11 North_Dutch + South_Dutch + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 2.045574
12 Danish + French + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 2.048134
13 Danish + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + West_German @ 2.050169
14 Danish + Danish + Danish + Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.051634
15 Irish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_German @ 2.053575
16 Danish + French + North_Dutch + Southeast_English @ 2.075555
17 French + Norwegian + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 2.082442
18 Danish + Danish + French + Southwest_English @ 2.097617
19 North_Dutch + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_German @ 2.099796
20 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + West_German @ 2.106075

BalkanKiwi
04-06-2015, 09:03 AM
23AndMe results. I find it interesting my East Euro ancestry still isn't represented in the Eurogenes oracles.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 42.47
2 Baltic 25.81
3 West_Med 13.93
4 East_Med 9.01
5 West_Asian 5.43
6 Oceanian 1.54
7 South_Asian 0.8
8 East_Asian 0.53
9 Amerindian 0.3
10 Red_Sea 0.1
11 Sub-Saharan 0.09

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_German 3.75
2 South_Dutch 4.97
3 Austrian 6.51
4 North_German 7.2
5 East_German 7.88
6 Southeast_English 8.21
7 Danish 8.9
8 North_Dutch 9.08
9 French 9.52
10 Orcadian 9.83
11 Southwest_English 10.56
12 Swedish 10.62
13 Hungarian 10.7
14 Norwegian 10.91
15 Irish 11.07
16 West_Scottish 11.64
17 North_Swedish 13.56
18 Serbian 15.29
19 Croatian 16.36
20 Spanish_Cataluna 16.83

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 65.6% Southeast_English + 34.4% Serbian @ 2.07

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Hungarian +50% Southeast_English @ 2.915738


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Austrian +25% Southeast_English +25% West_German @ 2.542835


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Bulgarian + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Swedish @ 2.041975
2 Hungarian + Southeast_English + West_German + West_German @ 2.136083
3 Danish + Serbian + Southeast_English + West_German @ 2.234594
4 North_Swedish + Southeast_English + Swedish + Tuscan @ 2.245362
5 Serbian + Southeast_English + Swedish + West_German @ 2.260112
6 Austrian + Serbian + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 2.280319
7 Bulgarian + North_Swedish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 2.319935
8 North_Dutch + Serbian + Southeast_English + West_German @ 2.338298
9 Hungarian + South_Dutch + Southeast_English + West_German @ 2.351571
10 East_German + Serbian + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 2.368441
11 Norwegian + Serbian + Southeast_English + West_German @ 2.373840
12 North_Italian + North_Swedish + Swedish + West_German @ 2.381432
13 Danish + Southeast_English + Southwest_Finnish + Tuscan @ 2.404769
14 Moldavian + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_German @ 2.411813
15 North_German + Serbian + Southeast_English + West_German @ 2.418326
16 North_Dutch + Southeast_English + Southwest_Finnish + Tuscan @ 2.432975
17 Greek_Thessaly + Southeast_English + Swedish + Swedish @ 2.434317
18 Romanian + Southeast_English + Swedish + West_German @ 2.435853
19 Hungarian + North_German + Spanish_Valencia + Swedish @ 2.449669
20 French + Serbian + Southeast_English + Swedish @ 2.450209

Salkin
04-06-2015, 01:19 PM
23AndMe results. I find it interesting my East Euro ancestry still isn't represented in the Eurogenes oracles.

Isn't represented? You are getting Eastern Euro populations in mixed-mode. That's precisely what I would expect with your ancestry...?

BalkanKiwi
04-06-2015, 08:21 PM
Isn't represented? You are getting Eastern Euro populations in mixed-mode. That's precisely what I would expect with your ancestry...?

I know Serbian represents Croatian but I didn't think it could also represent Polish. Here's my full mixed mode. The Eastern Euro populations used have more realistic percentages. I was just curious why these don't appear in Oracle 4.

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 65.6% Southeast_English + 34.4% Serbian @ 2.07
2 89.1% West_German + 10.9% Belorussian @ 2.2
3 89.4% West_German + 10.6% La_Brana-1 @ 2.22
4 90.6% West_German + 9.4% Lithuanian @ 2.25
5 89.6% West_German + 10.4% Estonian @ 2.25
6 89.4% West_German + 10.6% Estonian_Polish @ 2.3
7 87.9% West_German + 12.1% Polish @ 2.38
8 89.4% West_German + 10.6% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.38
9 86.1% West_German + 13.9% South_Polish @ 2.39
10 89.5% West_German + 10.5% Finnish @ 2.4
11 87% West_German + 13% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.4
12 71.1% Swedish + 28.9% Tuscan @ 2.44
13 89.7% West_German + 10.3% Southwest_Russian @ 2.46
14 88% West_German + 12% Ukrainian @ 2.49
15 90.8% West_German + 9.2% East_Finnish @ 2.5
16 57.1% Southeast_English + 42.9% Hungarian @ 2.52
17 73% West_German + 27% East_German @ 2.54
18 90% West_German + 10% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.54
19 69.2% Southeast_English + 30.8% Moldavian @ 2.56
20 67.1% Swedish + 32.9% North_Italian @ 2.64

Salkin
04-07-2015, 03:54 AM
I know Serbian represents Croatian but I didn't think it could also represent Polish. Here's my full mixed mode. The Eastern Euro populations used have more realistic percentages. I was just curious why these don't appear in Oracle 4.

Ah, I see. Yes, it does seem like something is pulling you south. I suppose, say, the Hungarian results aren't unreasonable given Croatian and Polish components, though.

I'm not sure what's up with when you get percentages (other than fixed 50/50, 25/25/25/25, etc) in the Oracle and not.

BalkanKiwi
04-07-2015, 04:37 AM
Ah, I see. Yes, it does seem like something is pulling you south. I suppose, say, the Hungarian results aren't unreasonable given Croatian and Polish components, though.

I'm not sure what's up with when you get percentages (other than fixed 50/50, 25/25/25/25, etc) in the Oracle and not.

I've never been a fan of the K13 and K15 oracle 4 results for that reason. Mixed mode is normally spot on, as I'm mostly English and Croatian with minor Polish/East Euro, but oracle 4 for whatever reason doesn't combine them. Instead I get a Scandinavian population and a random German one. Neither fit into my "known" ancestry on paper but probably fill in the spots due to my British. It's possible I have ancestors from both regions but it's unlikely to be proven on paper.

thrax
04-13-2015, 10:18 PM
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 28.37
2 North_Atlantic 20.07
3 West_Med 18.33
4 West_Asian 15.10
5 Baltic 15.01
6 Red_Sea 1.82

1 Greek_Thessaly @ 5.799398
2 Central_Greek @ 7.285522
3 Italian_Abruzzo @ 7.705205
4 East_Sicilian @ 9.156322
5 West_Sicilian @ 10.308450
6 Ashkenazi @ 11.375057
7 South_Italian @ 11.743980
8 Bulgarian @ 12.793817
9 Tuscan @ 12.857287
10 Romanian @ 15.258730
11 Sephardic_Jewish @ 18.054806
12 Italian_Jewish @ 18.094805
13 North_Italian @ 18.585070
14 Algerian_Jewish @ 18.713060
15 Serbian @ 20.094175
16 Tunisian_Jewish @ 22.264519
17 Libyan_Jewish @ 22.881041
18 Cyprian @ 24.245308
19 Turkish @ 24.825129
20 Moldavian @ 26.983362

MonkeyDLuffy
04-19-2015, 02:07 AM
Punjabi tarkhan/ramgarhia

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 South_Asian 48.92
2 West_Asian 30.86
3 Baltic 10.39
4 North_Atlantic 5.74
5 Siberian 2.03
6 Amerindian 1.01


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Punjabi_Jat @ 7.639640
2 Brahmin_UP @ 10.170230
3 Gujarati @ 10.696594
4 Sindhi @ 12.273151
5 Kshatriya @ 12.494040
6 Pathan @ 12.667177
7 Burusho @ 15.651558
8 Kalash @ 18.950310
9 Bangladeshi @ 19.007166
10 Dharkar @ 21.744017
11 Kanjar @ 22.702026
12 Velamas @ 25.975992
13 Afghan_Pashtun @ 26.304733
14 Uttar_Pradesh @ 26.452394
15 Kurumba @ 26.915855
16 Kol @ 28.089373
17 Dusadh @ 28.926723
18 North_Kannadi @ 29.539476
19 Balochi @ 31.146999
20 Chenchu @ 31.455009

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Brahmin_UP +50% Pathan @ 2.924525


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Brahmin_UP +25% Pathan +25% Punjabi_Jat @ 2.352385


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Brahmin_UP + Gujarati + Pathan + Punjabi_Jat @ 2.069922
2 Kanjar + Punjabi_Jat + Punjabi_Jat + Punjabi_Jat @ 2.228156
3 Brahmin_UP + Kshatriya + Pathan + Punjabi_Jat @ 2.244813
4 Dharkar + Punjabi_Jat + Punjabi_Jat + Punjabi_Jat @ 2.298957
5 Kalash + Kshatriya + Kshatriya + Punjabi_Jat @ 2.346126
6 Brahmin_UP + Brahmin_UP + Pathan + Punjabi_Jat @ 2.352385
7 Brahmin_UP + Kalash + Kshatriya + Punjabi_Jat @ 2.371451
8 Kalash + North_Kannadi + Punjabi_Jat + Punjabi_Jat @ 2.418519
9 Kanjar + Pathan + Punjabi_Jat + Punjabi_Jat @ 2.439460
10 Brahmin_UP + Kalash + Kalash + North_Kannadi @ 2.468333
11 Brahmin_UP + Kalash + Kanjar + Pathan @ 2.477651
12 North_Kannadi + Pathan + Punjabi_Jat + Punjabi_Jat @ 2.478514
13 Pathan + Punjabi_Jat + Punjabi_Jat + Uttar_Pradesh @ 2.525157
14 Chamar + Kalash + Punjabi_Jat + Punjabi_Jat @ 2.559501
15 Kol + Pathan + Punjabi_Jat + Punjabi_Jat @ 2.625458
16 Brahmin_UP + Kalash + Kalash + Uttar_Pradesh @ 2.630372
17 Brahmin_UP + Gujarati + Punjabi_Jat + Punjabi_Jat @ 2.631923
18 Brahmin_UP + Dharkar + Kalash + Punjabi_Jat @ 2.640056
19 Brahmin_UP + Kalash + Kanjar + Punjabi_Jat @ 2.641351
20 Gujarati + Kshatriya + Pathan + Punjabi_Jat @ 2.651428

Mellow
04-20-2015, 10:54 AM
Eurogenes K13

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 27.5
2 West_Med 23.29
3 North_Atlantic 20.55
4 Baltic 16.35
5 West_Asian 10.51
6 Red_Sea 1.21
7 Oceanian 0.23
8 East_Asian 0.18
9 Siberian 0.16

Oracle:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 4.49
2 Central_Greek 8.63
3 West_Sicilian 8.82
4 Tuscan 9.04
5 Italian_Abruzzo 9.11
6 East_Sicilian 9.79
7 Bulgarian 10.66
8 Ashkenazi 11.44
9 South_Italian 11.84
10 Romanian 12.73
11 North_Italian 13.08
12 Serbian 16.67
13 Italian_Jewish 16.98
14 Algerian_Jewish 17.08
15 Sephardic_Jewish 17.83
16 Portuguese 21.42
17 Tunisian_Jewish 21.61
18 Spanish_Extremadura 21.69
19 Libyan_Jewish 22.11
20 Spanish_Andalucia 22.46

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 92.4% Greek_Thessaly + 7.6% Sardinian @ 3.71
2 81.6% Greek_Thessaly + 18.4% Tuscan @ 4.1
3 87.7% Greek_Thessaly + 12.3% North_Italian @ 4.14
4 93.2% Greek_Thessaly + 6.8% Spanish_Valencia @ 4.19
5 93.5% Greek_Thessaly + 6.5% Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.22
6 94.8% Greek_Thessaly + 5.2% Spanish_Aragon @ 4.24
7 96.5% Greek_Thessaly + 3.5% French_Basque @ 4.26
8 95.1% Greek_Thessaly + 4.9% Southwest_French @ 4.28
9 94.8% Greek_Thessaly + 5.2% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.29
10 94.6% Greek_Thessaly + 5.4% Spanish_Cataluna @ 4.29
11 94.5% Greek_Thessaly + 5.5% Spanish_Murcia @ 4.29
12 95.2% Greek_Thessaly + 4.8% Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.3
13 86.3% Greek_Thessaly + 13.7% West_Sicilian @ 4.32
14 95.3% Greek_Thessaly + 4.7% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 4.34
15 95% Greek_Thessaly + 5% Portuguese @ 4.35
16 95.1% Greek_Thessaly + 4.9% Spanish_Extremadura @ 4.36
17 96.1% Greek_Thessaly + 3.9% Spanish_Galicia @ 4.4
18 95.9% Greek_Thessaly + 4.1% Italian_Jewish @ 4.43
19 95.2% Greek_Thessaly + 4.8% South_Italian @ 4.45
20 96.9% Greek_Thessaly + 3.1% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.46

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Bulgarian + Hungarian + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian @ 3.874721
2 Greek_Thessaly + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian + South_Polish @ 3.958924
3 Bulgarian + Croatian + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian @ 4.022056
4 Belorussian + Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian @ 4.136835
5 Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian + Tuscan + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 4.167624
6 Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian + Serbian + Serbian @ 4.202082
7 Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian + Southwest_Russian + Tuscan @ 4.226818
8 Croatian + Lebanese_Druze + Romanian + Sardinian @ 4.235386
9 Estonian_Polish + Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian @ 4.263589
10 Greek_Thessaly + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian + Ukrainian @ 4.263939
11 Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian + Southwest_Russian @ 4.267579
12 Hungarian + Lebanese_Druze + Romanian + Sardinian @ 4.269557
13 Bulgarian + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian + South_Polish @ 4.303135
14 Belorussian + Central_Greek + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian @ 4.310381
15 Estonian + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian + South_Italian @ 4.320285
16 Central_Greek + Estonian + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian @ 4.356874
17 Lebanese_Druze + Romanian + Sardinian + Serbian @ 4.361001
18 Bulgarian + Lebanese_Druze + Moldavian + Sardinian @ 4.368699
19 Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Druze + Lithuanian + Sardinian @ 4.383462
20 Italian_Abruzzo + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 4.393224

shazou
04-20-2015, 02:48 PM
Admix Results (sorted):


# Population Percent
1 East_Asian 83.2
2 South_Asian 5.25
3 Baltic 3.09
4 Siberian 2.56
5 Oceanian 2.3
6 East_Med 1.56
7 Amerindian 0.96
8 Sub-Saharan 0.58
9 Red_Sea 0.26
10 West_Asian 0.23
11 West_Med 0.01

Single Population Sharing:


# Population (source) Distance
1 Vietnamese 5.13
2 Dai 7.95
3 Lahu 8.04
4 Cambodian 10.94
5 She 13.37
6 Miaozu 13.52
7 Malay 14.71
8 Tujia 16.17
9 Yizu 25.63
10 Naxi 27.59
11 Tibeto-Burman_Burmese 28.27
12 Tu 35.13
13 Japanese 35.21
14 Xibo 47.57
15 Hezhen 49.25
16 Uygur 65.65
17 Hazara 70.54
18 Kirgiz 71.14
19 Mongolian 71.47
20 Kazakh 72.39

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 92.5% Dai + 7.5% MA-1 @ 2.39
2 92.3% Dai + 7.7% Tatar @ 2.64
3 92.7% Dai + 7.3% Mari @ 2.7
4 92.5% Dai + 7.5% Chuvash @ 2.73
5 90.9% Dai + 9.1% Uzbeki @ 2.74
6 91.6% Dai + 8.4% Afghan_Turkmen @ 2.81
7 89.8% Dai + 10.2% Uygur @ 2.87
8 92.6% Dai + 7.4% Moldavian @ 2.96
9 92.6% Dai + 7.4% Bulgarian @ 2.96
10 92.6% Dai + 7.4% Romanian @ 3
11 90.9% Dai + 9.1% Aghan_Hazara @ 3.03
12 92.6% Dai + 7.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.04
13 92.9% Dai + 7.1% Erzya @ 3.06
14 92.6% Dai + 7.4% Serbian @ 3.06
15 90.6% Dai + 9.4% Hazara @ 3.1
16 92.1% Dai + 7.9% Turkmen @ 3.1
17 92.8% Dai + 7.2% Croatian @ 3.1
18 92.6% Dai + 7.4% Ashkenazi @ 3.11
19 93% Dai + 7% Kargopol_Russian @ 3.11
20 92% Dai + 8% Afghan_Tadjik @ 3.13

Sapporo
04-20-2015, 04:52 PM
Don't think I ever posted my results in here. Only in the Eurogenes Project Thread:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 South_Asian 43.45
2 West_Asian 36.45
3 Baltic 11.97
4 North_Atlantic 2.39
5 East_Med 2.15
6 Amerindian 1.97
7 Siberian 1.06
8 Red_Sea 0.34
9 Northeast_African 0.22

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Pathan 5.08
2 Punjabi_Jat 5.11
3 Sindhi 8.12
4 Burusho 10.05
5 Kalash 10.26
6 Gujarati 16.14
7 Brahmin_UP 16.32
8 Kshatriya 17.87
9 Afghan_Pashtun 18.04
10 Balochi 20.94
11 Brahui 21.54
12 Makrani 22
13 Bangladeshi 23.25
14 Dharkar 25.75
15 Tadjik 26.17
16 Afghan_Tadjik 26.53
17 Kanjar 26.62
18 Velamas 29
19 Uttar_Pradesh 30.09
20 Kurumba 30.11

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 76.9% Kalash + 23.1% North_Kannadi @ 3.23
2 80.5% Pathan + 19.5% Gujarati @ 3.34
3 73.1% Kalash + 26.9% Kanjar @ 3.35
4 79.6% Kalash + 20.4% Chamar @ 3.43
5 87.6% Pathan + 12.4% Kanjar @ 3.45
6 82.5% Pathan + 17.5% Kshatriya @ 3.45
7 64.5% Kalash + 35.5% Kshatriya @ 3.52
8 72.6% Kalash + 27.4% Dharkar @ 3.53
9 90% Pathan + 10% North_Kannadi @ 3.57
10 76.4% Kalash + 23.6% Kol @ 3.59
11 81.7% Pathan + 18.3% Brahmin_UP @ 3.6
12 87.8% Pathan + 12.2% Dharkar @ 3.62
13 89.8% Pathan + 10.2% Kol @ 3.63
14 90.7% Pathan + 9.3% Piramalai @ 3.65
15 91.5% Pathan + 8.5% Chamar @ 3.67
16 75.7% Kalash + 24.3% Uttar_Pradesh @ 3.71
17 89.6% Pathan + 10.4% Uttar_Pradesh @ 3.71
18 90.1% Pathan + 9.9% Dusadh @ 3.71
19 91.6% Pathan + 8.4% Sakilli @ 3.72
20 89.7% Pathan + 10.3% Kurumba @ 3.73

Kaido
04-20-2015, 05:30 PM
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 38.76
2 South_Asian 36.82
3 Baltic 10.97
4 East_Med 6.79
5 Siberian 3.12
6 North_Atlantic 1.63
7 Sub-Saharan 0.95
8 Amerindian 0.84
9 Oceanian 0.12

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Pathan 3.72
2 Kalash 8.01
3 Burusho 8.79
4 Punjabi_Jat 10.13
5 Sindhi 10.6
6 Afghan_Pashtun 11.94
7 Makrani 16.12
8 Balochi 16.3
9 Brahui 16.82
10 Tadjik 20.53
11 Afghan_Tadjik 20.54
12 Gujarati 22.48
13 Brahmin_UP 22.6
14 Kshatriya 24.15
15 Bangladeshi 28.37
16 Turkmen 28.62
17 Tabassaran 31.07
18 Dharkar 31.73
19 Iranian 32.1
20 Kumyk 32.15

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 93.5% Pathan + 6.5% Abhkasian @ 2.62
2 93.7% Pathan + 6.3% Georgian @ 2.74
3 93.1% Pathan + 6.9% North_Ossetian @ 2.76
4 93% Pathan + 7% Adygei @ 2.76
5 92.9% Pathan + 7.1% Iranian @ 2.81
6 93.3% Pathan + 6.7% Kurdish @ 2.84
7 93.4% Pathan + 6.6% Balkar @ 2.85
8 93.2% Pathan + 6.8% Kabardin @ 2.86
9 93.1% Pathan + 6.9% Kumyk @ 2.87
10 93.2% Pathan + 6.8% Lezgin @ 2.89
11 94.8% Pathan + 5.2% Georgian_Jewish @ 2.91
12 93.7% Pathan + 6.3% Ossetian @ 2.93
13 94.8% Pathan + 5.2% Armenian @ 2.94
14 93.4% Pathan + 6.6% Chechen @ 2.95
15 93.9% Pathan + 6.1% Azeri @ 2.98
16 95.2% Pathan + 4.8% Assyrian @ 3.01
17 88% Pathan + 12% Makrani @ 3.03
18 95.5% Pathan + 4.5% Iranian_Jewish @ 3.07
19 93.7% Pathan + 6.3% Tabassaran @ 3.08
20 95.6% Pathan + 4.4% Kurdish_Jewish @ 3.08

Rukha
04-20-2015, 06:22 PM
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 44
2 South_Asian 25.94
3 Baltic 12.38
4 East_Med 5.78
5 North_Atlantic 5.22
6 Amerindian 2.66
7 Siberian 1.96
8 Sub-Saharan 1.09
9 Oceanian 0.59
10 East_Asian 0.39

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Afghan_Pashtun 5.6
2 Kalash 9.2
3 Balochi 12.67
4 Pathan 13.37
5 Makrani 13.38
6 Brahui 13.86
7 Burusho 14.42
8 Tadjik 14.66
9 Afghan_Tadjik 16.62
10 Punjabi_Jat 17.94
11 Sindhi 19.36
12 Tabassaran 20.63
13 Lezgin 22.08
14 Chechen 22.11
15 Kumyk 23.57
16 Kabardin 23.66
17 Turkmen 23.77
18 Adygei 24.16
19 North_Ossetian 24.48
20 Ossetian 24.66

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 71.3% Kalash + 28.7% Lezgin @ 2.66
2 72.7% Kalash + 27.3% Kumyk @ 2.71
3 71.5% Kalash + 28.5% Chechen @ 2.81
4 73.3% Kalash + 26.7% Adygei @ 2.83
5 73.6% Kalash + 26.4% North_Ossetian @ 2.96
6 73.1% Kalash + 26.9% Kabardin @ 3.15
7 74% Kalash + 26% Balkar @ 3.26
8 70.3% Kalash + 29.7% Tabassaran @ 3.28
9 74.4% Kalash + 25.6% Ossetian @ 3.81
10 77.6% Kalash + 22.4% Georgian @ 3.96
11 61.3% Pathan + 38.7% Tabassaran @ 3.97
12 80% Brahui + 20% Erzya @ 3.97
13 80.3% Brahui + 19.7% Kargopol_Russian @ 4.09
14 78.3% Kalash + 21.7% Abhkasian @ 4.1
15 63.1% Pathan + 36.9% Chechen @ 4.16
16 63.1% Pathan + 36.9% Lezgin @ 4.17
17 81.7% Balochi + 18.3% Erzya @ 4.22
18 81.7% Brahui + 18.3% East_Finnish @ 4.37
19 81.9% Balochi + 18.1% Kargopol_Russian @ 4.4
20 81.8% Brahui + 18.2% Lithuanian @ 4.48

tchekitchek
04-20-2015, 08:29 PM
What does the North Atlantic component actually represent? I seem to have a bit more of it than the usual in my geographical area.

Mellow
04-21-2015, 08:28 AM
What does the North Atlantic component actually represent? I seem to have a bit more of it than the usual in my geographical area.

Something like this, but I'm not sure if accurate.

North Atlantic - West European (peaks in Ireland)
Baltic - East European (peaks in Lithuania)
West Mediterranean - Sardinia
West Asian - Caucasus-Gedrosia (peaks in Georgia)
East Mediterranean - Levantine
Red Sea - Bedouin (Arabian)
South Asian - South India
East Asian - Eastern China
Siberian - Central Siberia
Amerindian - Northwest America
Oceanian - Papua New Guinea
North-East African - Ethiopia
Sub-Saharan African - West Africa

paulgill
04-21-2015, 09:42 AM
Something like this, but I'm not sure if accurate.

North Atlantic - West European (peaks in Ireland)
Baltic - East European (peaks in Lithuania)
West Mediterranean - Sardinia
West Asian - Caucasus-Gedrosia (peaks in Georgia)
East Mediterranean - Levantine
Red Sea - Bedouin (Arabian)
South Asian - South India
East Asian - Eastern China
Siberian - Central Siberia
Amerindian - Northwest America
Oceanian - Papua New Guinea
North-East African - Ethiopia
Sub-Saharan African - West AfricaSouth Asia= Pakistan+India.

paulgill
04-21-2015, 09:47 AM
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 South_Asian 44.1
2 West_Asian 38.1
3 North_Atlantic 10.02
4 Baltic 5.18
5 Siberian 1.7
6 Amerindian 0.51
7 Oceanian 0.31
8 Northeast_African 0.08

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Punjabi_Jat 6.16
2 Sindhi 7.21
3 Pathan 9.67
4 Kalash 11.65
5 Burusho 12.18
6 Gujarati 16.25
7 Brahmin_UP 16.32
8 Kshatriya 18.35
9 Afghan_Pashtun 18.62
10 Balochi 20.27
11 Brahui 20.96
12 Makrani 22.03
13 Bangladeshi 23.74
14 Dharkar 26.08
15 Tadjik 26.32
16 Kanjar 27.14
17 Afghan_Tadjik 27.51
18 Velamas 28.85
19 Kurumba 29.73
20 Uttar_Pradesh 30.13

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 92.4% Sindhi + 7.6% West_Scottish @ 5.03
2 92.4% Sindhi + 7.6% Irish @ 5.06
3 55.9% Brahmin_UP + 44.1% Balochi @ 5.07
4 59.5% Punjabi_Jat + 40.5% Sindhi @ 5.08
5 92.6% Sindhi + 7.4% Norwegian @ 5.11
6 92.5% Sindhi + 7.5% Orcadian @ 5.13
7 92.6% Sindhi + 7.4% Southwest_English @ 5.16
8 92.5% Sindhi + 7.5% Danish @ 5.18
9 92.6% Sindhi + 7.4% North_Dutch @ 5.19
10 92.6% Sindhi + 7.4% Swedish @ 5.19
11 92.8% Sindhi + 7.2% Southeast_English @ 5.29
12 92.5% Sindhi + 7.5% North_German @ 5.31
13 92.9% Sindhi + 7.1% North_Swedish @ 5.35
14 56.8% Brahmin_UP + 43.2% Brahui @ 5.52
15 92.9% Sindhi + 7.1% South_Dutch @ 5.58
16 93.6% Sindhi + 6.4% Southwest_Finnish @ 5.65
17 94% Sindhi + 6% French_Basque @ 5.66
18 93% Sindhi + 7% West_German @ 5.67
19 89.9% Punjabi_Jat + 10.1% Brahui @ 5.73
20 93.9% Sindhi + 6.1% La_Brana-1 @ 5.76


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Punjabi_Jat +50% Sindhi @ 5.805762


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Punjabi_Jat +25% Sindhi +25% Sindhi @ 5.805762


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Balochi + Brahmin_UP + Punjabi_Jat + Punjabi_Jat @ 5.634995
2 Balochi + Brahmin_UP + Brahmin_UP + Kalash @ 5.712450
3 Brahmin_UP + Brahui + Punjabi_Jat + Punjabi_Jat @ 5.723880
4 Balochi + Gujarati + Punjabi_Jat + Punjabi_Jat @ 5.741431
5 Punjabi_Jat + Punjabi_Jat + Sindhi + Sindhi @ 5.805762
6 Balochi + Brahmin_UP + Punjabi_Jat + Sindhi @ 5.817286
7 Brahmin_UP + Brahmin_UP + Brahui + Kalash @ 5.846183
8 Balochi + Kshatriya + Punjabi_Jat + Punjabi_Jat @ 5.886437
9 Balochi + Brahmin_UP + Gujarati + Kalash @ 5.895302
10 Punjabi_Jat + Punjabi_Jat + Punjabi_Jat + Sindhi @ 5.903130
11 Brahui + Gujarati + Punjabi_Jat + Punjabi_Jat @ 5.929926
12 Brahui + Kshatriya + Punjabi_Jat + Punjabi_Jat @ 6.065918
13 Brahmin_UP + Brahui + Punjabi_Jat + Sindhi @ 6.113045
14 Brahmin_UP + Brahui + Gujarati + Kalash @ 6.127516
15 Balochi + Brahmin_UP + Kalash + Kshatriya @ 6.160021
16 Brahmin_UP + Kalash + Punjabi_Jat + Sindhi @ 6.162877
17 Balochi + Balochi + Brahmin_UP + Brahmin_UP @ 6.163630
18 Brahmin_UP + Kalash + Sindhi + Sindhi @ 6.198103
19 Brahmin_UP + Kalash + Kalash + Sindhi @ 6.214935
20 Balochi + Kalash + Punjabi_Jat + Uttar_Pradesh @ 6.244737

Mellow
04-21-2015, 01:40 PM
South Asia= Pakistan+India.

I think that's only true on 23andme (ancestry). On gedmatch (component composition), they measure affinity to South Indians from what I've read on Eurogenes blog. This component also peaks there.

Dr_McNinja
04-21-2015, 02:36 PM
I think that's only true on 23andme (ancestry). On gedmatch (component composition), they measure affinity to South Indians from what I've read on Eurogenes blog. This component also peaks there.

That depends on the calculator. In Eurogenes, it's more like the general South Asia, not just South India. HarappaWorld's S-Indian component is more like South India.

Mellow
04-21-2015, 05:55 PM
That depends on the calculator. In Eurogenes, it's more like the general South Asia, not just South India. HarappaWorld's S-Indian component is more like South India.

Aha thanks it makes more sense actually :) so it's only on Harappa?

MonkeyDLuffy
04-21-2015, 06:11 PM
That depends on the calculator. In Eurogenes, it's more like the general South Asia, not just South India. HarappaWorld's S-Indian component is more like South India.

No wonder my south asian is so high on this calculator.

paulgill
04-21-2015, 07:13 PM
My Origins
Back to myFTDNA
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Paul Gill
Paul Gill
Ethnic Makeup

Central Asia
54%

South Asia
33%

European
14%

Shared OriginsMy Ancestral History

South Asia

The South Asian cluster reflects the deep rooted population of the Indian peninsula. Located primarily in the Indian subcontinent, it tapers off rapidly as to the west and east, reflecting its distinct historical heritage. It consists of India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal, Sri Lanka, Bhutan, and Afghanistan.

The South Asian heritage is a hybrid one, derived from a mixture of deep-rooted indigenous populations, which go back to the arrival of modern humans from Africa roughly 50,000 years ago. It includes later peoples coming from the north and west, including the Indo-Aryans most recently. The origins of the Indian caste system likely date to the last 4,000 years, as this blend became the closed cultural groups we see today.

There is a wide variation in ancestral division north to south, east to west, and high caste to low caste with South Asia. The ancient South and West Eurasian heritage is what unites South Asians and is found nowhere else in the world.



I think that's only true on 23andme (ancestry). On gedmatch (component composition), they measure affinity to South Indians from what I've read on Eurogenes blog. This component also peaks there.

MonkeyDLuffy
04-21-2015, 07:38 PM
Which one do you think is better? 23&me or ftdna? I am thinking about taking the ydna test on ftdna

The Barnacle
04-21-2015, 07:45 PM
My Origins
Back to myFTDNA
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Paul Gill
Paul Gill
Ethnic Makeup

Central Asia
54%

South Asia
33%

European
14%

Shared OriginsMy Ancestral History

South Asia

The South Asian cluster reflects the deep rooted population of the Indian peninsula. Located primarily in the Indian subcontinent, it tapers off rapidly as to the west and east, reflecting its distinct historical heritage. It consists of India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal, Sri Lanka, Bhutan, and Afghanistan.

The South Asian heritage is a hybrid one, derived from a mixture of deep-rooted indigenous populations, which go back to the arrival of modern humans from Africa roughly 50,000 years ago. It includes later peoples coming from the north and west, including the Indo-Aryans most recently. The origins of the Indian caste system likely date to the last 4,000 years, as this blend became the closed cultural groups we see today.

There is a wide variation in ancestral division north to south, east to west, and high caste to low caste with South Asia. The ancient South and West Eurasian heritage is what unites South Asians and is found nowhere else in the world.

Why are we included in South Asia and not Central Asia?

paulgill
04-21-2015, 08:10 PM
Why are we included in South Asia and not Central Asia?South Asia is simply Southern part of Central Asia here, I guess, and they may be combining Afghanistan to it because Afghans carry a certain amount of South Asian aDna.

"The ancient South and West Eurasian heritage is what unites South Asians and is found nowhere else in the world."

fil
04-21-2015, 08:20 PM
I posted this in another thread but I'll post it here too

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 South_Asian 57.82
2 West_Asian 26.9
3 East_Med 8.36
4 Oceanian 2.63
5 East_Asian 1.42
6 Northeast_African 0.99
7 Amerindian 0.95
8 Baltic 0.58
9 Siberian 0.35

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kshatriya 9.83
2 Gujarati 9.86
3 Dharkar 12.47
4 Brahmin_UP 12.47
5 Velamas 12.92
6 Bangladeshi 13.28
7 Kanjar 13.61
8 Kurumba 14.55
9 Uttar_Pradesh 16.06
10 Dusadh 16.27
11 Sindhi 16.93
12 Kol 16.96
13 North_Kannadi 18.17
14 Piramalai 18.65
15 Chenchu 18.75
16 Punjabi_Jat 19.86
17 Pathan 21.55
18 Sakilli 22.06
19 Chamar 22.75
20 Burusho 24.38

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 80% Velamas + 20% Kurdish @ 3.25
2 79.3% Velamas + 20.7% Iranian @ 3.48
3 82.1% Velamas + 17.9% Abhkasian @ 3.53
4 75.7% Piramalai + 24.3% Abhkasian @ 3.56
5 82% Velamas + 18% Georgian @ 3.69
6 81.9% Velamas + 18.1% Armenian @ 3.84
7 80.1% Velamas + 19.9% Azeri @ 3.93
8 75.6% Piramalai + 24.4% Georgian @ 4
9 82.1% Velamas + 17.9% Georgian_Jewish @ 4.03
10 78.1% Kurumba + 21.9% Kurdish @ 4.14
11 77.4% Kurumba + 22.6% Iranian @ 4.32
12 80.4% Kurumba + 19.6% Abhkasian @ 4.36
13 81.7% Velamas + 18.3% Adygei @ 4.37
14 81.1% Velamas + 18.9% Kumyk @ 4.4
15 82.3% Velamas + 17.7% Assyrian @ 4.44
16 73.3% Piramalai + 26.7% Kurdish @ 4.45
17 82.1% Velamas + 17.9% North_Ossetian @ 4.62
18 80.4% Kurumba + 19.6% Georgian @ 4.63
19 64.8% Piramalai + 35.2% Makrani @ 4.64
20 81.8% Velamas + 18.2% Ossetian @ 4.66

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Gujarati @ 11.094069
2 Kshatriya @ 11.138709
3 Dharkar @ 14.164820
4 Brahmin_UP @ 14.188248
5 Bangladeshi @ 14.532422
6 Velamas @ 14.604483
7 Kanjar @ 15.520154
8 Kurumba @ 16.541491
9 Uttar_Pradesh @ 18.316818
10 Dusadh @ 18.515001
11 Sindhi @ 19.213881
12 Kol @ 19.301836
13 North_Kannadi @ 20.719303
14 Piramalai @ 21.216848
15 Chenchu @ 21.268675
16 Punjabi_Jat @ 22.479914
17 Pathan @ 24.265610
18 Sakilli @ 25.133720
19 Chamar @ 25.950665
20 Burusho @ 27.260216

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Chenchu +50% Sindhi @ 6.866527


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Dusadh +25% Kurdish +25% Velamas @ 5.165215


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Abhkasian + Piramalai + Piramalai + Piramalai @ 3.819228
2 Kurdish + Piramalai + Velamas + Velamas @ 4.098578
3 Iranian + Piramalai + Velamas + Velamas @ 4.155092
4 Kurdish + Piramalai + Piramalai + Velamas @ 4.236754
5 Abhkasian + Piramalai + Piramalai + Velamas @ 4.251540
6 Kurdish + Kurumba + Piramalai + Velamas @ 4.252683
7 Abhkasian + Piramalai + Sakilli + Velamas @ 4.263294
8 Abhkasian + Piramalai + Piramalai + Sakilli @ 4.282680
9 Georgian + Piramalai + Piramalai + Piramalai @ 4.329025
10 Iranian + Kurumba + Piramalai + Velamas @ 4.356904
11 Abhkasian + Kurumba + Piramalai + Piramalai @ 4.383422
12 Abhkasian + Chamar + Piramalai + Velamas @ 4.412066
13 Iranian + Velamas + Velamas + Velamas @ 4.421526
14 Abhkasian + Dusadh + Piramalai + Piramalai @ 4.423711
15 Iranian + Kurumba + Velamas + Velamas @ 4.432297
16 Kurdish + Kurumba + Kurumba + Piramalai @ 4.511983
17 Abhkasian + Chamar + Piramalai + Piramalai @ 4.512379
18 Abhkasian + Kurumba + Piramalai + Sakilli @ 4.524008
19 Georgian + Piramalai + Piramalai + Velamas @ 4.549012
20 Iranian + Kurumba + Kurumba + Velamas @ 4.550395

Sapporo
04-21-2015, 08:23 PM
South Asia is simply Southern part of Central Asia here, I guess, and they may be combining Afghanistan to it because Afghans carry a certain amount of South Asian aDna.

"The ancient South and West Eurasian heritage is what unites South Asians and is found nowhere else in the world."

The South Asian and Central Asian admixture components on FT-DNA My-Origins both include Afghanistan. However, Central Asian peaks in Afghanistan and Northwestern South Asia after that I believe. South Asian peaks toward South India.

paulgill
04-21-2015, 08:32 PM
Which one do you think is better? 23&me or ftdna? I am thinking about taking the ydna test on ftdnaWhich Ydna test you intend to take? https://www.fullgenomes.com/, is a much better option, I think.

paulgill
04-21-2015, 08:47 PM
The South Asian and Central Asian admixture components on FT-DNA My-Origins both include Afghanistan. However, Central Asian peaks in Afghanistan and Northwestern South Asia after that I believe. South Asian peaks toward South India.I think you are trying to interpret the shaded areas on the My Origin map, but I had posted FTDNA's own explanation of what they consider South Asia.

MonkeyDLuffy
04-21-2015, 09:01 PM
Which Ydna test you intend to take? https://www.fullgenomes.com/, is a much better option, I think.

I am not sure, so far i only know about ydna tests on ftdna. I want to know more about my paternal line

paulgill
04-21-2015, 09:26 PM
I am not sure, so far i only know about ydna tests on ftdna. I want to know more about my paternal line FTDNA has STRs and Big Y tests. Big Y recently have stopped to give the customers their mtDna and STRs data and for that very reason it not economical even when cheaper than https://www.fullgenomes.com/ products., it also is not as good either and results have to be further analyzed at cost by FGC or YFull to make some sense of it. http://cruwys.blogspot.ca/2014/07/full-genomes-launches-y-prime-new-y.html.

Full Genome have a new product now called WGS(whole genome sequencing) that one can buy at 2x=$130 and upgrade later at 1x=$65, 10x=$650, or 30x=$1850

MonkeyDLuffy
04-21-2015, 09:36 PM
FTDNA has STRs and Big Y tests. Big Y recently have stopped to give the customers their mtDna and STRs data and for that very reason it not economical even when cheaper than https://www.fullgenomes.com/ products., it also is not as good either and results have to be further analyzed at cost by FGC or YFull to make some sense of it. http://cruwys.blogspot.ca/2014/07/full-genomes-launches-y-prime-new-y.html.

Full Genome have a new product now called WGS(whole genome sequencing) that one can buy at 2x=$130 and upgrade later at 1x=$65, 10x=$650, or 30x=$1850

What advantage do you think it will have over 23&me test?

Dr_McNinja
04-21-2015, 10:13 PM
My Origins
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Paul Gill
Ethnic Makeup

Central Asia
54%

South Asia
33%

European
14%

Shared OriginsMy Ancestral History

South Asia

The South Asian cluster reflects the deep rooted population of the Indian peninsula. Located primarily in the Indian subcontinent, it tapers off rapidly as to the west and east, reflecting its distinct historical heritage. It consists of India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal, Sri Lanka, Bhutan, and Afghanistan.

The South Asian heritage is a hybrid one, derived from a mixture of deep-rooted indigenous populations, which go back to the arrival of modern humans from Africa roughly 50,000 years ago. It includes later peoples coming from the north and west, including the Indo-Aryans most recently. The origins of the Indian caste system likely date to the last 4,000 years, as this blend became the closed cultural groups we see today.

There is a wide variation in ancestral division north to south, east to west, and high caste to low caste with South Asia. The ancient South and West Eurasian heritage is what unites South Asians and is found nowhere else in the world.

Can you give the deeper breakdown? I.e, what kind of European. Any East Asian or Native American?

I have some myOrigins results here:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuXBmvmgdkfVdFMtRHVlZDBuQ3lMcjhxMDE4V3JoY lE#gid=14

Dr_McNinja
04-21-2015, 10:18 PM
FTDNA Central Asian is literally comprised of Afghan Pashtun samples. But since South Asia is Gujarati, it will be high even in Afghans since it has a lot of North Indian related ancestry.

paulgill
04-21-2015, 10:24 PM
What advantage do you think it will have over 23&me test? With WGS done, you will need no other Dna test ever, as it covers your Whole Genome. 23andMe in comparison is a Junk test and so are the Geno 2.0, FTDNA and most other products. I have already bought a WGS upgradable kit. https://www.fullgenomes.com/news/

MonkeyDLuffy
04-21-2015, 10:29 PM
Which package would you recommend then? Which one did you buy?

paulgill
04-21-2015, 10:42 PM
Can you give the deeper breakdown? I.e, what kind of European. Any East Asian or Native American?

I have some myOrigins results here:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuXBmvmgdkfVdFMtRHVlZDBuQ3lMcjhxMDE4V3JoY lE#gid=14
My Origins
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Paul Gill
Ethnic Makeup
collapse all
Central/South Asian
87%
Central Asia
54%
South Asia
33%
European
14%
British Isles
14%

That is all, nothing else is there.

MonkeyDLuffy
04-21-2015, 10:50 PM
With WGS done, you will need no other Dna test ever, as it covers your Whole Genome. 23andMe in comparison is a Junk test and so are the Geno 2.0, FTDNA and most other products. I have already bought a WGS upgradable kit. https://www.fullgenomes.com/news/

It costs $1850!!

paulgill
04-21-2015, 11:09 PM
Which package would you recommend then? Which one did you buy?You will have to contact them for price, click on contact us and send them an email. Y Prime you can get for $650 and Y Elite for $750. WGS which is the most comprehensive genetic analysis available today is the best one to go for, in my opinion. If you are concerned about money then buy the upgradable one, 10x=$650 etc., I for now have bought only the very basic one 2x=$130, haven't sent my kit in yet, and I intend to upgrade it to 6x for better now.

Again Parasar and Dr. McNinja know this stuff much better than me, I think it is worth consulting them. I consulted YFull, they were ok with 2x but said higher the better.

paulgill
04-21-2015, 11:15 PM
It costs $1850!!


See here: http://manuelcorpas.com/2015/02/23/just-ordered-my-whole-genome-sequence-for-130-2x/
2x whole genome; $65 per 1x of coverage.

2x = $130
10x = $650
etc
30x = $1850, not $1950 however

http://www.novogene.com/en/

Sapporo
04-21-2015, 11:52 PM
FTDNA Central Asian is literally comprised of Afghan Pashtun samples. But since South Asia is Gujarati, it will be high even in Afghans since it has a lot of North Indian related ancestry.

Also, because South Asian is based on Gujaratis and likely of mixed (caste, tribe, etc.) Gujarati samples, it makes the component more sporadic with likely different admixture % of West Eurasian and indigenous South Eurasian ancestry based on the individual.

paulgill
04-22-2015, 12:09 AM
Big Y, no more a cheap test. {In response to a direct question, Janine passed on the following: "The official statement is: As of April 3, 2015, we have altered our Big Y BAM files to include only the Y-chromosome data. Please note that the Big Y is designed to test only Y-chromosome data. Any other "reads" associated in BAM files prior to April 3, did not undergo quality control and should be assumed unreliable." So there it is... Glad I got mine before then...} David Nicolson

Dr_McNinja
04-22-2015, 02:09 AM
If you're R1a1a, we know the branches of it in South Asians down to a pretty good level (see tree on YFull.com). You can order those individual SNPs from FTDNA or YSEQ (YSEQ had a sale going on at one point, don't know if it's still on).

A full Y chromosome sequence from FGC gives all the STRs as well as SNPs. The lowest test is still $750 I think. BigY is considerably cheaper ($575 I believe, $100 less with a coupon) but I'm not sure if it includes STR results. I would expect it to.

STRs aren't as useful as SNPs but are more useful for recent ancestry. For a haplogroup like R1a1a, the usefulness is admittedly questionable compared to SNP testing.

If you want to go the individual SNP route, test Z94 first, if it's positive, test L657. If L657 is negative, try Z2124. If that's negative, try Y40. If L657 is positive (as it probably will be), try Y6 and Y7. That's as far as FTDNA goes down the South Asian branches but you can request YSEQ to add the other SNPs (it costs $1 to "wish" a SNP for addition to their store).

Parasar who posts here is a project admin of R1a at FTDNA. Let's keep posts on that in the relevant forums/threads after this so we don't get too offtopic.

MonkeyDLuffy
04-22-2015, 03:03 AM
If you're R1a1a, we know the branches of it in South Asians down to a pretty good level (see tree on YFull.com). You can order those individual SNPs from FTDNA or YSEQ (YSEQ had a sale going on at one point, don't know if it's still on).

A full Y chromosome sequence from FGC gives all the STRs as well as SNPs. The lowest test is still $750 I think. BigY is considerably cheaper ($575 I believe, $100 less with a coupon) but I'm not sure if it includes STR results. I would expect it to.

STRs aren't as useful as SNPs but are more useful for recent ancestry. For a haplogroup like R1a1a, the usefulness is admittedly questionable compared to SNP testing.

If you want to go the individual SNP route, test Z94 first, if it's positive, test L657. If L657 is negative, try Z2124. If that's negative, try Y40. If L657 is positive (as it probably will be), try Y6 and Y7. That's as far as FTDNA goes down the South Asian branches but you can request YSEQ to add the other SNPs (it costs $1 to "wish" a SNP for addition to their store).

Parasar who posts here is a project admin of R1a at FTDNA. Let's keep posts on that in the relevant forums/threads after this so we don't get too offtopic.

I dont see the tree on Yfull, can you please post the link? Thanks

paulgill
04-22-2015, 08:11 AM
I dont see the tree on Yfull, can you please post the link? ThanksYes, you can go the SNP route for YDna, and if you are not on FTDNA R1a Project, just buy 12 STRs product from FTDNA. http://www.yfull.com/tree/R1a/

Get your SNPs for $17.50 each at http://www.yseq.net/

This may be the cheapest way to go for you, but consult Parasar or Dr. McNinja regarding what SNPs to test for, before ordering.

Reith
04-22-2015, 12:09 PM
Anyone notice a difference when using your 23andme and FTDNA data? Mine was slight, but curious if anyone else had a big difference.

Salkin
04-22-2015, 05:57 PM
Anyone notice a difference when using your 23andme and FTDNA data? Mine was slight, but curious if anyone else had a big difference.

Definitely slight. Biggest difference is my FTDNA data gives me about 0.8% more Baltic.

I've heard people with Ancestry data can get bigger differences, though.

vettor
04-22-2015, 06:59 PM
Anyone notice a difference when using your 23andme and FTDNA data? Mine was slight, but curious if anyone else had a big difference.

I have differences as well ( I have V3 in 23andme and my son has slightly more differences who was V4 tested ) ............the biggest differences are in gedmatch matches program, where I have a 20% difference in people in the first 20 people I match

Bollox79
05-23-2015, 06:12 AM
Hello! I've already posted my results... but I figured I'd chime in since I haven't been on in a while! I think you have to take these results in addition to any research and testing you've done on your x and y etc. Quick list of what I now... the Y even though it's U106 and everyone yells "German"... my sub-groups (quite small as of now maybe 20 - 30 confirmed through SNP - people?) actually are common to the Isles and our only testers outside of the Isles are from Northern France and just south of Brittany, and Norway... so looks rather "Norman," but then it's still a small sample group so who knows... though many of my predicted via STR (not SNP tested yet) matches are actually from Scotland... that's where most of my best matches (including my best from Lanarkshire) are from. X-chromo is from Ireland (Grandmother had a Gaelic patronymic for a surname) and most of my cousins of actual European descent found through autosomal are Irish or Scots (disregarding the one's that are American or Canadian of mixed ancestry because it's almost impossible to tell which particular ancestor you had in common!)... so I instead go off of the ratio of actual European cousins. Not the best method I'm sure, but I feel it gives me the best idea of where a majority of my recent autosomal input in the last 10 generations... I try to keep in mind testing bias too.

To my surprise I lacked purely English cousins, but then again my Mom's English ancestry was from the 1600s and very early colonists, so I only really see a little bit of it in my American cousins from that area (the NE). I was also surprised at my lack of cousins from the Rhinelands area of German and Dutch ones... as I have some PA Dutch in my family tree, but I think this showed up as Baltic German/Scandinavian mixed with a wee bit of Russian.

I have a Northern German cousin (these cousins around the Baltic are predicted about 5th cousins... the Irish and Scots ones are closer) who might as well be Danish (they live on the border) and a NE German near the border of Poland and a Norwegian and 2 Finnish/Swedes and a Russian (one Grandparent possibly from the area where these tribes in my mixed mode list are actually from... hmm) with ancestry from all over Russia. No English or Southern German... but a good bit of West Scottish/Hebrides and Northen Irish cousins and plenty of Irish ones from Republic of Ireland.... I think it was 23 or so Irish/Scottish cousins since I last checked... many with Gaelic ancestry. Anyway the reason I brought all that up is that I feel the mixed mode for Eurogenes k13 is the most accurate for my family... as my Dad's father's side is more recently Highland and Ulster Scot than anything else... Mom's is very Irish and Scots. Here's my mixed mode... I'm actually edging towards one of the Orcadian results (taking into consideration my mixture of Baltic Northern German and Scandinavian that would could also be found in Orkney... in addition to the Irish and Scots... and also I know I don't have that much Slavic... over 20% that's too much, but a smaller percentage of some Russian tribe is ok as it's the only thing I can come up with based on current European cousins etc!)... as being an American I sure don't resemble too closely just one local population so mixed mode is better for me :-).

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 74.7% Irish + 25.3% Romanian @ 2.02
2 77.1% Irish + 22.9% Bulgarian @ 2.03
3 88.9% Southeast_English + 11.1% Kabardin @ 2.28
4 87.8% Orcadian + 12.2% Kumyk @ 2.36
5 72.8% West_Scottish + 27.2% Romanian @ 2.39
6 75.4% West_Scottish + 24.6% Bulgarian @ 2.43
7 88.3% Orcadian + 11.7% Balkar @ 2.45
8 89.3% Southeast_English + 10.7% Balkar @ 2.46
9 89.7% Southeast_English + 10.3% North_Ossetian @ 2.47
10 88.5% Orcadian + 11.5% Adygei @ 2.47
11 72.2% Irish + 27.8% Serbian @ 2.5
12 88.9% Southeast_English + 11.1% Chechen @ 2.5
13 88.1% Orcadian + 11.9% Kabardin @ 2.51
14 77% Orcadian + 23% Romanian @ 2.57
15 90.2% Orcadian + 9.8% Abhkasian @ 2.57
16 79.3% Orcadian + 20.7% Bulgarian @ 2.58
17 89.8% Orcadian + 10.2% Georgian @ 2.58
18 88% Southeast_English + 12% Nogay @ 2.59
19 89.6% Southeast_English + 10.4% Adygei @ 2.6
20 88.8% Orcadian + 11.2% North_Ossetian @ 2.64

Cheers!

Charlie

The Barnacle
06-03-2015, 11:58 PM
Afghan Pashtun Barakzai


# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 42.24
2 South_Asian 24.56
3 Baltic 10.13
4 East_Med 9.91
5 North_Atlantic 4.98
6 Siberian 3.33
7 Amerindian 1.48
8 West_Med 1.22
9 Sub-Saharan 1.14


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

basmaci
06-06-2015, 12:14 PM
# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 24.97
2 East_Med 24.4
3 West_Med 11.34
4 North_Atlantic 10.73
5 Baltic 9.23
6 Siberian 6.11
7 East_Asian 4.58
8 South_Asian 3.2
9 Red_Sea 2.52
10 Amerindian 1.36
11 Oceanian 1.02
12 Northeast_African 0.55

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turkish 9.55
2 Azeri 13.18
3 Turkmen 14.74
4 Central_Greek 16.4
5 Kumyk 16.82
6 East_Sicilian 17.32
7 Italian_Abruzzo 17.77
8 Nogay 17.99
9 South_Italian 18.09
10 Ashkenazi 18.79
11 Greek_Thessaly 18.82
12 Kurdish 18.85
13 Iranian 19.55
14 Lebanese_Muslim 19.57
15 Armenian 19.82
16 Georgian_Jewish 19.83
17 Assyrian 20.03
18 Balkar 20.05
19 West_Sicilian 20.46
20 Syrian 20.47

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 52.8% Turkmen + 47.2% Central_Greek @ 3.32
2 54.3% Turkmen + 45.7% East_Sicilian @ 3.86
3 79.2% Turkish + 20.8% Tatar @ 3.86
4 85.5% Turkish + 14.5% La_Brana-1 @ 4.21
5 85.5% Turkish + 14.5% East_Finnish @ 4.49
6 53.6% Nogay + 46.4% Cyprian @ 4.49
7 55.5% Turkmen + 44.5% South_Italian @ 4.5
8 83.3% Turkish + 16.7% Chuvash @ 4.52
9 85.4% Turkish + 14.6% Finnish @ 4.52
10 56.6% Turkmen + 43.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.61
11 85.2% Turkish + 14.8% Southwest_Finnish @ 4.64
12 55.7% Nogay + 44.3% Italian_Jewish @ 4.64
13 56.6% Turkmen + 43.4% Ashkenazi @ 4.67
14 55.1% Turkmen + 44.9% Italian_Abruzzo @ 4.69
15 53.9% Nogay + 46.1% Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.73
16 84.5% Turkish + 15.5% Kargopol_Russian @ 4.76
17 58.8% Turkmen + 41.2% West_Sicilian @ 4.78
18 84.5% Turkish + 15.5% Mari @ 4.79
19 56.4% Nogay + 43.6% Tunisian_Jewish @ 4.85
20 86% Turkish + 14% Estonian @ 4.87

Macura
06-06-2015, 08:20 PM
Ethnic Serb from Croatia:
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 28.48
2 North_Atlantic 28
3 West_Med 15.92
4 East_Med 15.15
5 West_Asian 8.36
6 South_Asian 1.57
7 Oceanian 1.45
8 Red_Sea 0.91
9 Siberian 0.16

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 2.93
2 Romanian 6.46
3 Moldavian 7.22
4 Hungarian 7.39
5 Croatian 8.66
6 Bulgarian 8.97
7 Austrian 10.32
8 East_German 11.85
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 15.15
10 South_Polish 15.26
11 West_German 15.42
12 Ukrainian 16.31
13 Greek_Thessaly 17.01
14 South_Dutch 17.03
15 French 17.23
16 North_Italian 18.06
17 Polish 19.01
18 Southwest_Russian 19.83
19 North_German 19.83
20 Tuscan 19.92

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 61.2% South_Polish + 38.8% West_Sicilian @ 2.39
2 88.3% Serbian + 11.7% East_German @ 2.5
3 57.3% Bulgarian + 42.7% East_German @ 2.51
4 82.3% Serbian + 17.7% Hungarian @ 2.53
5 91.1% Serbian + 8.9% South_Polish @ 2.54
6 85.4% Serbian + 14.6% Croatian @ 2.57
7 94.9% Serbian + 5.1% Estonian @ 2.58
8 93.1% Serbian + 6.9% Polish @ 2.59
9 55.4% Hungarian + 44.6% Bulgarian @ 2.59
10 92.1% Serbian + 7.9% Ukrainian @ 2.59
11 94.3% Serbian + 5.7% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.6
12 56.8% South_Polish + 43.2% Tuscan @ 2.6
13 88.1% Serbian + 11.9% Austrian @ 2.61
14 94.2% Serbian + 5.8% North_Swedish @ 2.61
15 95.3% Serbian + 4.7% Lithuanian @ 2.62
16 94.4% Serbian + 5.6% Belorussian @ 2.62
17 94.3% Serbian + 5.7% Estonian_Polish @ 2.63
18 95.7% Serbian + 4.3% La_Brana-1 @ 2.64
19 92.1% Serbian + 7.9% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.65
20 94.4% Serbian + 5.6% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.65

The Barnacle
06-08-2015, 06:15 PM
Afghan Pashtun Amarkhel( eastern Afghanistan most likely)









Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 35.06
2 South_Asian 25.82
3 Baltic 10.51
4 East_Med 8.02
5 Siberian 7.45
6 North_Atlantic 6.19
7 East_Asian 3.5
8 Red_Sea 1.32
9 West_Med 1.26
10 Amerindian 0.53
11 Oceanian 0.34

The Barnacle
06-08-2015, 06:19 PM
Afghan Pashtun Kandahar, popalzai


# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 40.15
2 South_Asian 26.91
3 East_Med 9.51
4 Baltic 9.12
5 North_Atlantic 6.67
6 Siberian 2.73
7 East_Asian 2.42
8 Red_Sea 1.08
9 Amerindian 0.9
10 Northeast_African 0.32
11 Oceanian 0.2

The Barnacle
06-08-2015, 06:37 PM
Another afghan Pashtun popalzai from Kandahar
Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013



Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 40.22
2 South_Asian 25.74
3 Baltic 10.76
4 East_Med 8.81
5 North_Atlantic 7.64
6 Siberian 2.92
7 Red_Sea 1.54
8 Amerindian 1.29
9 Northeast_African 1
10 West_Med 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Afghan_Pashtun 2.88
2 Kalash 11.42
3 Tadjik 11.89
4 Pathan 13.26
5 Makrani 13.99
6 Afghan_Tadjik 14.28
7 Balochi 14.88
8 Burusho 14.89
9 Brahui 15.93
10 Punjabi_Jat 17.67
11 Sindhi 19.4
12 Tabassaran 20.21
13 Turkmen 20.58
14 Lezgin 21.56
15 Chechen 21.8
16 Kumyk 22.13
17 Kabardin 23.07
18 Adygei 23.56
19 Balkar 24.09
20 Ossetian 24.12

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 96.8% Afghan_Pashtun + 3.2% Iranian_Jewish @ 2.59
2 95.1% Afghan_Pashtun + 4.9% Iranian @ 2.59
3 97.9% Afghan_Pashtun + 2.1% Yemenite_Jewish @ 2.59
4 97% Afghan_Pashtun + 3% Kurdish_Jewish @ 2.62
5 98% Afghan_Pashtun + 2% Saudi @ 2.64
6 95.7% Afghan_Pashtun + 4.3% Kurdish @ 2.64
7 97.5% Afghan_Pashtun + 2.5% Jordanian @ 2.64
8 97.6% Afghan_Pashtun + 2.4% Palestinian @ 2.64
9 62.2% Pathan + 37.8% Lezgin @ 2.64
10 96.8% Afghan_Pashtun + 3.2% Georgian_Jewish @ 2.64
11 97% Afghan_Pashtun + 3% Assyrian @ 2.64
12 97.6% Afghan_Pashtun + 2.4% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.64
13 97.7% Afghan_Pashtun + 2.3% Samaritan @ 2.65
14 97.7% Afghan_Pashtun + 2.3% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.66
15 98.4% Afghan_Pashtun + 1.6% Ethiopian_Tigray @ 2.66
16 97.7% Afghan_Pashtun + 2.3% Bedouin @ 2.66
17 98.5% Afghan_Pashtun + 1.5% Ethiopian_Amhara @ 2.67
18 97.4% Afghan_Pashtun + 2.6% Syrian @ 2.68
19 97.5% Afghan_Pashtun + 2.5% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.68
20 98% Afghan_Pashtun + 2% Egyptian @ 2.69

Gray Fox
06-13-2015, 08:31 PM
23andMe vs. Ftdna data..


23andMe:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 47.71
2 Baltic 22.4
3 West_Med 16.45
4 West_Asian 7.07
5 South_Asian 2.34
6 Red_Sea 1.65
7 East_Med 0.93
8 Oceanian 0.8
9 Northeast_African 0.56
10 Sub-Saharan 0.08


Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Southwest_English @ 5.536907
2 Southeast_English @ 6.598611
3 Irish @ 6.627919
4 Orcadian @ 6.646937
5 West_Scottish @ 7.362957
6 South_Dutch @ 7.483386
7 North_Dutch @ 7.962877
8 Danish @ 8.444126
9 North_German @ 8.678823
10 West_German @ 9.199832
11 Norwegian @ 10.166459
12 Swedish @ 11.719330
13 French @ 12.493008
14 Austrian @ 15.031477
15 East_German @ 15.490885
16 North_Swedish @ 17.775402
17 Spanish_Cataluna @ 20.009535
18 Southwest_French @ 20.156233
19 Hungarian @ 20.673208
20 Spanish_Cantabria @ 20.912029

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +50% South_Dutch @ 4.744200


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% North_German +25% Southwest_French @ 4.041972


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 French_Basque + North_German + North_German + Swedish @ 3.853248
2 French_Basque + North_German + North_German + North_German @ 3.900500
3 Irish + Irish + North_German + Southwest_French @ 4.041972
4 Irish + Irish + Southwest_French + Swedish @ 4.071383
5 Irish + Irish + Spanish_Cantabria + Swedish @ 4.081935
6 French_Basque + North_German + North_German + Norwegian @ 4.107916
7 Danish + French_Basque + North_German + North_German @ 4.192881
8 French_Basque + North_Dutch + North_German + North_German @ 4.208834
9 French_Basque + Irish + North_German + North_Swedish @ 4.234457
10 Danish + French_Basque + North_German + Swedish @ 4.235085
11 French_Basque + Irish + North_German + Swedish @ 4.236475
12 Irish + Irish + North_German + Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.239171
13 Irish + North_German + Southwest_French + West_Scottish @ 4.250018
14 French_Basque + Irish + North_German + North_German @ 4.251694
15 French_Basque + North_Dutch + North_German + Swedish @ 4.252956
16 French_Basque + North_German + Swedish + Swedish @ 4.264365
17 Irish + Southwest_French + Swedish + West_Scottish @ 4.265576
18 Irish + Irish + Norwegian + Southwest_French @ 4.279115
19 East_German + French_Basque + Irish + Swedish @ 4.285917
20 Irish + Spanish_Cantabria + Swedish + West_Scottish @ 4.286542

Ftdna:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 47.61
2 Baltic 22.28
3 West_Med 16.13
4 West_Asian 7.7
5 South_Asian 2.36
6 Red_Sea 1.33
7 East_Med 1.03
8 Oceanian 0.8
9 Northeast_African 0.77


Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Southwest_English @ 5.769258
2 Irish @ 6.616638
3 Southeast_English @ 6.711864
4 Orcadian @ 6.731988
5 West_Scottish @ 7.417046
6 South_Dutch @ 7.466193
7 North_Dutch @ 7.926017
8 Danish @ 8.363549
9 North_German @ 8.486187
10 West_German @ 9.036676
11 Norwegian @ 10.154970
12 Swedish @ 11.718954
13 French @ 12.582569
14 Austrian @ 14.950922
15 East_German @ 15.473236
16 North_Swedish @ 17.826942
17 Spanish_Cataluna @ 20.152802
18 Southwest_French @ 20.465837
19 Hungarian @ 20.546690
20 Spanish_Cantabria @ 21.165712

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +50% South_Dutch @ 4.716731


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% North_German +25% Southwest_French @ 4.312126


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 French_Basque + North_German + North_German + North_German @ 4.143939
2 French_Basque + North_German + North_German + Swedish @ 4.197381
3 Irish + Irish + North_German + Southwest_French @ 4.312126
4 Irish + Irish + Spanish_Cantabria + Swedish @ 4.387656
5 Irish + Irish + Southwest_French + Swedish @ 4.429735
6 French_Basque + North_German + North_German + Norwegian @ 4.430224
7 Irish + Irish + North_German + Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.447926
8 Danish + French_Basque + North_German + North_German @ 4.480797
9 French_Basque + North_Dutch + North_German + North_German @ 4.512319
10 Irish + North_German + Southwest_French + West_Scottish @ 4.527233
11 Irish + Irish + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Swedish @ 4.536065
12 Irish + Irish + Irish + Spanish_Galicia @ 4.561359
13 Irish + Irish + Spanish_Galicia + Swedish @ 4.561670
14 French_Basque + Irish + North_German + North_German @ 4.564285
15 Irish + Irish + Norwegian + Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.602484
16 Irish + Spanish_Cantabria + Swedish + West_Scottish @ 4.602512
17 Danish + French_Basque + North_German + Swedish @ 4.603798
18 Danish + Irish + Irish + Southwest_French @ 4.604771
19 Irish + Irish + Norwegian + Spanish_Galicia @ 4.614062
20 Irish + Irish + Norwegian + Southwest_French @ 4.618996

BalkanKiwi
06-13-2015, 10:37 PM
I like the K13 more than the K15 because it picks up my East Asian better.

23andMe

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 42.47
2 Baltic 25.81
3 West_Med 13.93
4 East_Med 9.01
5 West_Asian 5.43
6 Oceanian 1.54
7 South_Asian 0.8
8 East_Asian 0.53
9 Amerindian 0.3
10 Red_Sea 0.1
11 Sub-Saharan 0.09

FTDNA

1 North_Atlantic 42.57
2 Baltic 25.89
3 West_Med 13.16
4 East_Med 10.07
5 West_Asian 5.01
6 Oceanian 1.28
7 South_Asian 1.08
8 East_Asian 0.51
9 Red_Sea 0.33
10 Amerindian 0.06
11 Sub-Saharan 0.03

randwulf
06-14-2015, 04:38 AM
I like the K13 more than the K15 because it picks up my East Asian better.

I did notice the same thing. I posted mine a while ago, but didn't have the rest of my family yet. My group with a repeat of mine:

Me:

1 North_Atlantic 45.22
2 Baltic 19.93
3 West_Med 19.46
4 East_Med 10.22
5 Red_Sea 1.23
6 West_Asian 1.03
7 East_Asian 0.80
8 Siberian 0.77
9 South_Asian 0.64
10 Amerindian 0.49
11 Northeast_African 0.20

# Population (source) Distance
1 French 4.95
2 South_Dutch 6.38
3 West_German 7.4

Dad:

1 North_Atlantic 42.79
2 Baltic 20.06
3 West_Med 18.06
4 East_Med 10.42
5 West_Asian 4.15
6 Siberian 2.01
7 East_Asian 0.84
8 Oceanian 0.61
9 Amerindian 0.55
10 Sub-Saharan 0.23
11 Red_Sea 0.21
12 South_Asian 0.04
13 Northeast_African 0.03

1 French 4.27
2 South_Dutch 4.96
3 West_German 5.07

Mom:

1 North_Atlantic 44.17
2 Baltic 24.10
3 West_Med 18.5
4 East_Med 6.95
5 West_Asian 3.83
6 South_Asian 1.68
7 Amerindian 0.43
8 Northeast_African 0.34

1 South_Dutch 4
2 West_German 4.99

Wife:

1 North_Atlantic 45.93
2 Baltic 21.49
3 West_Med 16.17
4 East_Med 9.02
5 West_Asian 4.15
6 Red_Sea 0.93
7 Siberian 0.80
8 Northeast_African 0.67
9 Oceanian 0.46
10 East_Asian 0.26
11 Sub-Saharan 0.11

1 South_Dutch 2.89
2 West_German 3.89

Father-in-law:

1 North_Atlantic 47.84
2 Baltic 23.92
3 West_Med 14.44
4 West_Asian 5.83
5 East_Med 3.15
6 Red_Sea 1.20
7 Siberian 1.02
8 Northeast_African 0.96
9 Sub-Saharan 0.80
10 East_Asian 0.75
11 South_Asian 0.10

1 Southeast_English 4.01
2 Orcadian 4.11
3 Southwest_English 4.5
4 North_Dutch 4.8
5 Irish 5.05
6 South_Dutch 5.21
7 Danish 5.3
8 North_German 5.46
9 West_Scottish 5.59
10 West_German 6.6
11 Norwegian 6.89

BalkanKiwi
06-14-2015, 06:22 AM
I did notice the same thing. I posted mine a while ago, but didn't have the rest of my family yet. My group with a repeat of mine:

Me:

1 North_Atlantic 45.22
2 Baltic 19.93
3 West_Med 19.46
4 East_Med 10.22
5 Red_Sea 1.23
6 West_Asian 1.03
7 East_Asian 0.80
8 Siberian 0.77
9 South_Asian 0.64
10 Amerindian 0.49
11 Northeast_African 0.20

# Population (source) Distance
1 French 4.95
2 South_Dutch 6.38
3 West_German 7.4

Dad:

1 North_Atlantic 42.79
2 Baltic 20.06
3 West_Med 18.06
4 East_Med 10.42
5 West_Asian 4.15
6 Siberian 2.01
7 East_Asian 0.84
8 Oceanian 0.61
9 Amerindian 0.55
10 Sub-Saharan 0.23
11 Red_Sea 0.21
12 South_Asian 0.04
13 Northeast_African 0.03

1 French 4.27
2 South_Dutch 4.96
3 West_German 5.07

Mom:

1 North_Atlantic 44.17
2 Baltic 24.10
3 West_Med 18.5
4 East_Med 6.95
5 West_Asian 3.83
6 South_Asian 1.68
7 Amerindian 0.43
8 Northeast_African 0.34

1 South_Dutch 4
2 West_German 4.99

Wife:

1 North_Atlantic 45.93
2 Baltic 21.49
3 West_Med 16.17
4 East_Med 9.02
5 West_Asian 4.15
6 Red_Sea 0.93
7 Siberian 0.80
8 Northeast_African 0.67
9 Oceanian 0.46
10 East_Asian 0.26
11 Sub-Saharan 0.11

1 South_Dutch 2.89
2 West_German 3.89

Father-in-law:

1 North_Atlantic 47.84
2 Baltic 23.92
3 West_Med 14.44
4 West_Asian 5.83
5 East_Med 3.15
6 Red_Sea 1.20
7 Siberian 1.02
8 Northeast_African 0.96
9 Sub-Saharan 0.80
10 East_Asian 0.75
11 South_Asian 0.10

1 Southeast_English 4.01
2 Orcadian 4.11
3 Southwest_English 4.5
4 North_Dutch 4.8
5 Irish 5.05
6 South_Dutch 5.21
7 Danish 5.3
8 North_German 5.46
9 West_Scottish 5.59
10 West_German 6.6
11 Norwegian 6.89

I'm curious to know where your East Asian comes from.

randwulf
06-14-2015, 11:45 AM
I'm curious to know where your East Asian comes from.

Yes, me too! I am not sure I ever will know unless my father happens to get a good match on one of the Asian segments with someone else in Gedmatch that knows the source.

BalkanKiwi
06-14-2015, 09:47 PM
Yes, me too! I am not sure I ever will know unless my father happens to get a good match on one of the Asian segments with someone else in Gedmatch that knows the source.

I think these calculators provide more questions than answers, especially for the minor amounts of ancestry. Like you said in another thread, Han Chinese seems possible.

randwulf
06-15-2015, 01:51 AM
I think these calculators provide more questions than answers, especially for the minor amounts of ancestry. Like you said in another thread, Han Chinese seems possible.

For the most part they confirm the paper in my case, but they do raise some mysteries, including this one.

Crom
06-28-2015, 11:26 PM
I can't quite figure out what mine are saying. Ethnically speaking I am English, that is the best way to put it, although I am not sure how "Anglo Saxon" I am overall.



Eurogenes K13 4-Ancestors Oracle

This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: [email protected]
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 47.00
2 Baltic 21.72
3 West_Med 18.15
4 West_Asian 4.69
5 East_Med 4.20
6 South_Asian 2.31


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 South_Dutch @ 5.191510
2 Southeast_English @ 5.945394
3 Southwest_English @ 6.288338
4 West_German @ 7.274362
5 Orcadian @ 7.877812
6 Irish @ 8.837053
7 French @ 9.133103
8 West_Scottish @ 9.150813
9 North_Dutch @ 9.510122
10 Danish @ 9.738686
11 North_German @ 10.017452
12 Norwegian @ 11.986853
13 Swedish @ 13.471049
14 Austrian @ 14.195077
15 East_German @ 14.958116
16 Spanish_Cataluna @ 16.374626
17 Southwest_French @ 16.725445
18 Spanish_Cantabria @ 17.533112
19 Spanish_Galicia @ 17.723415
20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 17.725458

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Norwegian +50% Southwest_French @ 3.442444


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Danish +25% East_German +25% French_Basque @ 1.712889


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Danish + French_Basque + Hungarian + West_Scottish @ 1.531911
2 East_German + French_Basque + North_German + West_Scottish @ 1.546453
3 Danish + French_Basque + Hungarian + Irish @ 1.575234
4 East_German + French_Basque + Irish + North_German @ 1.576459
5 Austrian + Danish + Danish + French_Basque @ 1.579208
6 Austrian + French_Basque + North_German + Orcadian @ 1.580373
7 East_German + French_Basque + North_German + Orcadian @ 1.593560
8 East_German + French_Basque + North_German + Southeast_English @ 1.621006
9 Austrian + Danish + French_Basque + Orcadian @ 1.658063
10 Austrian + French_Basque + Irish + North_German @ 1.658131
11 East_German + French_Basque + North_German + Southwest_English @ 1.658920
12 Austrian + French_Basque + North_German + West_Scottish @ 1.666719
13 Danish + East_German + French_Basque + Southeast_English @ 1.676016
14 French_Basque + Hungarian + Irish + Orcadian @ 1.676107
15 French_Basque + Hungarian + Irish + Irish @ 1.683072
16 Danish + Danish + East_German + French_Basque @ 1.712889
17 Danish + East_German + French_Basque + Orcadian @ 1.718330
18 Austrian + Danish + French_Basque + Irish @ 1.723273
19 Danish + French_Basque + Hungarian + Southwest_English @ 1.736727
20 Austrian + Danish + French_Basque + North_German @ 1.752792






Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Dutch 4.58
2 Southeast_English 5.32
3 Southwest_English 5.56
4 West_German 6.38
5 Orcadian 7.03
6 Irish 7.82
7 French 7.97
8 West_Scottish 8.09
9 North_Dutch 8.51
10 Danish 8.73
11 North_German 8.98
12 Norwegian 10.69
13 Swedish 12.04
14 Austrian 12.43
15 East_German 13.14
16 Spanish_Cataluna 14.4
17 Southwest_French 14.91
18 Spanish_Cantabria 15.58
19 Spanish_Galicia 15.65
20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 15.66

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 63.4% Danish + 36.6% Southwest_French @ 1.73
2 86.7% Orcadian + 13.3% Sardinian @ 1.93
3 85.3% Irish + 14.7% Sardinian @ 1.94
4 64.2% North_Dutch + 35.8% Southwest_French @ 2.11
5 71.6% North_German + 28.4% French_Basque @ 2.13
6 59.6% Norwegian + 40.4% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.18
7 64.6% Danish + 35.4% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.21
8 58.5% Norwegian + 41.5% Southwest_French @ 2.22
9 69% Orcadian + 31% Southwest_French @ 2.37
10 65.4% North_Dutch + 34.6% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.44
11 85.1% West_Scottish + 14.9% Sardinian @ 2.49
12 70.1% Orcadian + 29.9% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.5
13 66.5% Irish + 33.5% Southwest_French @ 2.52
14 63% North_German + 37% Southwest_French @ 2.56
15 70.2% Orcadian + 29.8% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.57
16 60.1% Swedish + 39.9% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.59
17 67.7% Irish + 32.3% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.67
18 62.1% Norwegian + 37.9% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.68
19 56.7% Swedish + 43.3% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.73
20 84.5% North_Dutch + 15.5% Sardinian @ 2.75

BalkanKiwi
06-29-2015, 01:58 AM
I can't quite figure out what mine are saying. Ethnically speaking I am English, that is the best way to put it, although I am not sure how "Anglo Saxon" I am overall.



Eurogenes K13 4-Ancestors Oracle

This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: [email protected]
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 47.00
2 Baltic 21.72
3 West_Med 18.15
4 West_Asian 4.69
5 East_Med 4.20
6 South_Asian 2.31


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 South_Dutch @ 5.191510
2 Southeast_English @ 5.945394
3 Southwest_English @ 6.288338
4 West_German @ 7.274362
5 Orcadian @ 7.877812
6 Irish @ 8.837053
7 French @ 9.133103
8 West_Scottish @ 9.150813
9 North_Dutch @ 9.510122
10 Danish @ 9.738686
11 North_German @ 10.017452
12 Norwegian @ 11.986853
13 Swedish @ 13.471049
14 Austrian @ 14.195077
15 East_German @ 14.958116
16 Spanish_Cataluna @ 16.374626
17 Southwest_French @ 16.725445
18 Spanish_Cantabria @ 17.533112
19 Spanish_Galicia @ 17.723415
20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 17.725458

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Norwegian +50% Southwest_French @ 3.442444


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Danish +25% East_German +25% French_Basque @ 1.712889


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Danish + French_Basque + Hungarian + West_Scottish @ 1.531911
2 East_German + French_Basque + North_German + West_Scottish @ 1.546453
3 Danish + French_Basque + Hungarian + Irish @ 1.575234
4 East_German + French_Basque + Irish + North_German @ 1.576459
5 Austrian + Danish + Danish + French_Basque @ 1.579208
6 Austrian + French_Basque + North_German + Orcadian @ 1.580373
7 East_German + French_Basque + North_German + Orcadian @ 1.593560
8 East_German + French_Basque + North_German + Southeast_English @ 1.621006
9 Austrian + Danish + French_Basque + Orcadian @ 1.658063
10 Austrian + French_Basque + Irish + North_German @ 1.658131
11 East_German + French_Basque + North_German + Southwest_English @ 1.658920
12 Austrian + French_Basque + North_German + West_Scottish @ 1.666719
13 Danish + East_German + French_Basque + Southeast_English @ 1.676016
14 French_Basque + Hungarian + Irish + Orcadian @ 1.676107
15 French_Basque + Hungarian + Irish + Irish @ 1.683072
16 Danish + Danish + East_German + French_Basque @ 1.712889
17 Danish + East_German + French_Basque + Orcadian @ 1.718330
18 Austrian + Danish + French_Basque + Irish @ 1.723273
19 Danish + French_Basque + Hungarian + Southwest_English @ 1.736727
20 Austrian + Danish + French_Basque + North_German @ 1.752792






Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Dutch 4.58
2 Southeast_English 5.32
3 Southwest_English 5.56
4 West_German 6.38
5 Orcadian 7.03
6 Irish 7.82
7 French 7.97
8 West_Scottish 8.09
9 North_Dutch 8.51
10 Danish 8.73
11 North_German 8.98
12 Norwegian 10.69
13 Swedish 12.04
14 Austrian 12.43
15 East_German 13.14
16 Spanish_Cataluna 14.4
17 Southwest_French 14.91
18 Spanish_Cantabria 15.58
19 Spanish_Galicia 15.65
20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 15.66

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 63.4% Danish + 36.6% Southwest_French @ 1.73
2 86.7% Orcadian + 13.3% Sardinian @ 1.93
3 85.3% Irish + 14.7% Sardinian @ 1.94
4 64.2% North_Dutch + 35.8% Southwest_French @ 2.11
5 71.6% North_German + 28.4% French_Basque @ 2.13
6 59.6% Norwegian + 40.4% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.18
7 64.6% Danish + 35.4% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.21
8 58.5% Norwegian + 41.5% Southwest_French @ 2.22
9 69% Orcadian + 31% Southwest_French @ 2.37
10 65.4% North_Dutch + 34.6% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.44
11 85.1% West_Scottish + 14.9% Sardinian @ 2.49
12 70.1% Orcadian + 29.9% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.5
13 66.5% Irish + 33.5% Southwest_French @ 2.52
14 63% North_German + 37% Southwest_French @ 2.56
15 70.2% Orcadian + 29.8% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.57
16 60.1% Swedish + 39.9% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.59
17 67.7% Irish + 32.3% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.67
18 62.1% Norwegian + 37.9% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.68
19 56.7% Swedish + 43.3% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.73
20 84.5% North_Dutch + 15.5% Sardinian @ 2.75

Overall you probably have typical results of an English person. Remember that populations don't always represent a specific geographical area. For example, you may not have any recent "Danish" ancestry, but England had a big influx of Vikings so therefore Scandinavian DNA is not uncommon. You may not have any Scandinavian ancestry but the algorithm can chooses Danish because its similar to "English". Its also possible for populations to act as middle points between two populations. For example if someone is English and Polish, Dutch or German might appear in an oracle because its a middle reference point. I've personally gone off oracles.

anglesqueville
06-29-2015, 07:19 AM
I can't quite figure out what mine are saying Crom, that's the magical of Oracles with modern reference populations. Look at mine (extract only):

1 French @ 6,450021
2 South_Dutch @ 6,875365
3 West_German @ 7,738119
4 Southeast_English @ 11,265774
5 Southwest_English @ 11,796797

1 North_German+Southwest_French @ 3,510104
2 North_German+Spanish_Cantabria @ 3,885945
3 Spanish_Andalucia+Swedish @ 4,174566
4 French_Basque+Hungarian @ 4,394031
5 Norwegian+Spanish_Andalucia @ 4,621727
6 Danish+Southwest_French @ 4,638244
7 Southwest_French+West_German @ 4,66684
8 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha+Swedish @ 4,680152

1 50% Irish +25% Sardinian +25% Swedish @ 2,614549
2 50% Irish +25% North_German +25% Sardinian @ 2,631486
3 50% Irish +25% Norwegian +25% Sardinian @ 2,834941
4 50% West_German +25% East_German +25% French_Basque @ 2,898732 :amen:

In a few weeks, you'll interest only in Oracles with archeological references, which are far more indicative.

Solothurn
06-29-2015, 11:53 AM
Here are mine and I am English :)


K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Admix Results (sorted):



#
Population
Percent


1
North_Atlantic
48.56


2
Baltic
25.15


3
West_Med
13.90


4
West_Asian
4.30


5
East_Med
3.16


6
South_Asian
1.95


7
Red_Sea
1.45


8
Siberian
1.04




Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Orcadian @ 3.615508
2 Southeast_English @ 3.874120
3 North_Dutch @ 4.355319
4 Danish @ 4.545726
5 Southwest_English @ 5.062353
6 Irish @ 5.180780
7 North_German @ 5.502542
8 West_Scottish @ 5.691688
9 Norwegian @ 6.515425
10 South_Dutch @ 7.016057
11 Swedish @ 8.016575
12 West_German @ 8.669885
13 French @ 13.444577
14 Austrian @ 13.709417
15 East_German @ 13.822015
16 North_Swedish @ 13.988625
17 Hungarian @ 19.165606
18 Spanish_Cataluna @ 21.597527
19 Southwest_French @ 22.216709
20 Southwest_Finnish @ 22.629236

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% North_German +50% Southwest_English @ 2.750209


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Norwegian +25% Spanish_Cantabria +25% Swedish @ 2.015164


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 North_Swedish + South_Dutch + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 1.569161
2 French + North_Swedish + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 1.580310
3 French + Irish + North_Swedish + Southwest_English @ 1.658101
4 French + North_Swedish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 1.665203
5 East_German + Orcadian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 1.714133
6 East_German + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 1.746997
7 French + Irish + North_Swedish + West_Scottish @ 1.767073
8 East_German + Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 1.778960
9 French + North_Swedish + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 1.803790
10 French + North_Swedish + Orcadian + Southwest_English @ 1.811723
11 East_German + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 1.833671
12 East_German + Orcadian + Orcadian + Southwest_English @ 1.865993
13 Orcadian + South_Dutch + Southwest_English + Swedish @ 1.882812
14 East_German + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 1.908188
15 French + North_Swedish + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 1.915911
16 French + Irish + Irish + North_Swedish @ 1.932010
17 East_German + Irish + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 1.935580
18 French + Orcadian + Orcadian + Swedish @ 1.947000
19 French + Norwegian + Southwest_English + Swedish @ 1.950428
20 North_Swedish + Norwegian + Spanish_Cantabria + West_Scottish @ 1.962312

Gray Fox
06-29-2015, 12:30 PM
I'm around 64 percent English/British, so yeah, you're pretty typical, Crom..

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 47.71
2 Baltic 22.40
3 West_Med 16.45
4 West_Asian 7.07
5 South_Asian 2.34
6 Red_Sea 1.65


Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Southwest_English @ 5.536907
2 Southeast_English @ 6.598611
3 Irish @ 6.627919

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +50% South_Dutch @ 4.744200


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% North_German +25% Southwest_French @ 4.041972


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 French_Basque + North_German + North_German + Swedish @ 3.853248
2 French_Basque + North_German + North_German + North_German @ 3.900500

anglesqueville
06-29-2015, 01:55 PM
Crom, if as it seems you are new to all this, try Eurogenes EUTest and Eurogenes EUTestV2K15, which are imo a bit more accurate for northwesterners, and MDLPK23b, really excellent too. Overall install the statistical workplace "R" (opensource) and DIYDodecadWin, so you can partly free yourself from gedmatch. Many posts on this forum explain all this. The original source: http://dodecad.blogspot.fr/2011/09/do-it-yourself-dodecad-v-21.html

dragonsmoke
06-29-2015, 08:12 PM
i do not feature a large bit of Euro genes, but here goes!

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Sub-Saharan 78.23
2 North_Atlantic 6.99
3 Northeast_African 6.39
4 West_Med 2.28
5 East_Med 1.43
6 Amerindian 1.26
7 Baltic 0.95
8 Red_Sea 0.86
9 East_Asian 0.74
10 West_Asian 0.48
11 South_Asian 0.35
12 Siberian 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bantu_S.W. 12.98
2 Bantu_S.E. 13.01
3 Mandenka 13.92
4 Biaka_Pygmy 17.1
5 Yoruban 20.91
6 Luhya 22
7 Bantu_N.E. 22.7
8 Mbuti_Pygmy 32.31
9 San 42.73
10 Sandawe 66.06
11 Sudanese 69.08
12 Maasai 74.92
13 Ethiopian_Anuak 75.05
14 Hadza 80.26
15 Mozabite_Berber 82.56
16 Tunisian 84.26
17 Algerian 84.35
18 Moroccan 86.45
19 Egyptian 91.22
20 Ethiopian_Gumuz 92.82

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 88% Mandenka + 12% Southwest_English @ 2.42
2 88% Mandenka + 12% Southeast_English @ 2.46
3 88% Mandenka + 12% West_Scottish @ 2.5
4 87.7% Mandenka + 12.3% French @ 2.53
5 88% Mandenka + 12% Irish @ 2.56
6 88% Mandenka + 12% Orcadian @ 2.58
7 87.7% Mandenka + 12.3% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.62
8 87.8% Mandenka + 12.2% South_Dutch @ 2.64
9 87.9% Mandenka + 12.1% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.65
10 87.8% Mandenka + 12.2% West_German @ 2.7
11 87.6% Mandenka + 12.4% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.7
12 87.7% Mandenka + 12.3% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.71
13 87.8% Mandenka + 12.2% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.73
14 88.3% Mandenka + 11.7% French_Basque @ 2.74
15 87.8% Mandenka + 12.2% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.75
16 87.7% Mandenka + 12.3% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.76
17 87.9% Mandenka + 12.1% Southwest_French @ 2.79
18 88% Mandenka + 12% North_Dutch @ 2.81
19 88% Mandenka + 12% Danish @ 2.83
20 87.6% Mandenka + 12.4% Portuguese @ 2.85

The population distances for the mixed mode is very small! Through family stories and AncestryDNA I know that theres a bit of Native american but not a lot. Is that maybe where my #s 7-12 in the population results derive from?

Oracle 4 Results

# Population Percent
1 Sub-Saharan 78.23
2 North_Atlantic 6.99
3 Northeast_African 6.39
4 West_Med 2.28
5 East_Med 1.43
6 Amerindian 1.26

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Bantu_S.W. @ 12.559280
2 Bantu_S.E. @ 12.722789
3 Mandenka @ 12.995441
4 Biaka_Pygmy @ 16.594597
5 Yoruban @ 18.909027
6 Yoruban @ 18.909027
7 Luhya @ 20.921988
8 Bantu_N.E. @ 21.525673
9 Mbuti_Pygmy @ 30.226490
10 San @ 39.487617
11 Sandawe @ 59.981392
12 Sudanese @ 63.279667
13 Maasai @ 67.958366
14 Ethiopian_Anuak @ 68.648590
15 Hadza @ 73.002678
16 Mozabite_Berber @ 75.648117
17 Algerian @ 77.247238
18 Tunisian @ 77.431976
19 Moroccan @ 79.013435
20 Egyptian @ 84.558723

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Bantu_N.E. +50% Yoruban @ 11.982991


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Mandenka +25% Mozabite_Berber +25% Yoruban @ 11.478384


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Mandenka + Mozabite_Berber + Yoruban + Yoruban @ 10.483085
2 Mandenka + Mozabite_Berber + Yoruban + Yoruban @ 10.483085
3 Mandenka + Portuguese + Yoruban + Yoruban @ 10.485481
4 Mandenka + Portuguese + Yoruban + Yoruban @ 10.485481
5 Mandenka + Spanish_Galicia + Yoruban + Yoruban @ 10.546594
6 Mandenka + Spanish_Galicia + Yoruban + Yoruban @ 10.546594
7 Mandenka + Spanish_Extremadura + Yoruban + Yoruban @ 10.557118
8 Mandenka + Spanish_Extremadura + Yoruban + Yoruban @ 10.557118
9 Mandenka + Spanish_Murcia + Yoruban + Yoruban @ 10.667110
10 Mandenka + Spanish_Murcia + Yoruban + Yoruban @ 10.667110
11 Mandenka + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Yoruban + Yoruban @ 10.679634
12 Mandenka + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Yoruban + Yoruban @ 10.679634
13 Algerian + Mandenka + Yoruban + Yoruban @ 10.719331
14 Algerian + Mandenka + Yoruban + Yoruban @ 10.719331
15 Bantu_S.W. + Mozabite_Berber + Yoruban + Yoruban @ 10.759417
16 Bantu_S.W. + Mozabite_Berber + Yoruban + Yoruban @ 10.759417
17 Bantu_S.W. + Portuguese + Yoruban + Yoruban @ 10.777147
18 Bantu_S.W. + Portuguese + Yoruban + Yoruban @ 10.777147
19 Bantu_S.W. + Spanish_Galicia + Yoruban + Yoruban @ 10.814448
20 Bantu_S.W. + Spanish_Galicia + Yoruban + Yoruban @ 10.814448

sk8termom
06-30-2015, 04:28 PM
I need to learn more about how the Oracle calculators work. Is there some documentation on how to interpret these results?

Here is my son's Eurogenes-K13 results. He is adopted from Guatemala and is mostly Maya. Is it safe to assume that the West_Med has his Spanish background, and everything else, except for the .24% West_Asian points to Native American?

North_Atlantic -
Baltic -
West_Med 1.62%
West_Asian 0.24%
East_Med -
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 0.77%
East_Asian 1.41%
Siberian 3.04%
Amerindian 92.25%
Oceanian 0.67%
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

lifeisdandy
06-30-2015, 05:59 PM
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 48.61
2 Red_Sea 20.66
3 West_Med 13.19
4 Northeast_African 11.77
5 West_Asian 5.56
6 East_Asian 0.21

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Egyptian 11.25
2 Yemenite_Jewish 12.48
3 Bedouin 13.88
4 Palestinian 14.22
5 Jordanian 15.48
6 Samaritan 16.83
7 Saudi 17.72
8 Libyan_Jewish 18.76
9 Lebanese_Christian 19.38
10 Tunisian_Jewish 19.83
11 Syrian 20.74
12 Lebanese_Druze 21.57
13 Lebanese_Muslim 22.36
14 Cyprian 23.66
15 Algerian_Jewish 24.07
16 Tunisian 24.12
17 Italian_Jewish 24.79
18 Sephardic_Jewish 24.84
19 Algerian 25.53
20 Moroccan 26.66

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 54.4% Egyptian + 45.6% Yemenite_Jewish @ 7.53
2 73.3% Yemenite_Jewish + 26.7% Moroccan @ 8.42
3 64.7% Yemenite_Jewish + 35.3% Libyan_Jewish @ 8.54
4 71.4% Yemenite_Jewish + 28.6% Tunisian @ 8.64
5 72.9% Yemenite_Jewish + 27.1% Algerian @ 8.72
6 74.9% Yemenite_Jewish + 25.1% Mozabite_Berber @ 8.81
7 85.2% Yemenite_Jewish + 14.8% Sardinian @ 8.87
8 72.2% Yemenite_Jewish + 27.8% Algerian_Jewish @ 9.03
9 67.4% Yemenite_Jewish + 32.6% Tunisian_Jewish @ 9.11
10 91.1% Yemenite_Jewish + 8.9% Ethiopian_Gumuz @ 9.34
11 90.7% Yemenite_Jewish + 9.3% Ethiopian_Ari_cultivator @ 9.44
12 73.8% Yemenite_Jewish + 26.2% Italian_Jewish @ 9.46
13 60.3% Yemenite_Jewish + 39.7% Jordanian @ 9.55
14 90.9% Yemenite_Jewish + 9.1% Hadza @ 9.66
15 91.5% Yemenite_Jewish + 8.5% Ethiopian_Anuak @ 9.83
16 79.2% Yemenite_Jewish + 20.8% South_Italian @ 9.85
17 88.7% Yemenite_Jewish + 11.3% Ethiopian_Wolayta @ 9.89
18 79.2% Yemenite_Jewish + 20.8% East_Sicilian @ 9.91
19 75.1% Yemenite_Jewish + 24.9% Sephardic_Jewish @ 9.93
20 88% Yemenite_Jewish + 12% Ethiopian_Oromo @ 9.96

How far back does eurogenes k13 go? Also there were historical references to christian yemeni tribes in Egypt which is where yemeni jewish could be coming from.. Any comments ?

firemonkey
06-30-2015, 10:43 PM
My FTDNA

1 North_Atlantic 52.52
2 Baltic 23.51
3 West_Med 11.88
4 West_Asian 4.56
5 East_Med 2.29
6 Red_Sea 1.7
7 Amerindian 1.11
8 Northeast_African 0.92
9 East_Asian 0.52
10 Siberian 0.5
11 South_Asian 0.31
12 Oceanian 0.19


Eurogenes K13

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 West_Scottish @ 2.163
2 Irish @ 2.896
3 Orcadian @ 3.352
4 Southwest_English @ 4.357
5 North_Dutch @ 4.712
6 Southeast_English @ 5.199
7 Danish @ 5.734
8 Norwegian @ 6.032
9 North_German @ 8.457
10 Swedish @ 9.524
204 iterations.



Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% West_Scottish +50% West_Scottish @ 2.163
2 50% Irish +50% West_Scottish @ 2.442
3 50% Orcadian +50% West_Scottish @ 2.520
4 50% North_Dutch +50% West_Scottish @ 2.848
5 50% Irish +50% Irish @ 2.896
6 50% Irish +50% Orcadian @ 2.906
7 50% Southwest_English +50% West_Scottish @ 2.934
8 50% Norwegian +50% Southwest_English @ 3.064
9 50% Irish +50% Southwest_English @ 3.130
10 50% Southeast_English +50% West_Scottish @ 3.167
20910 iterations.



Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% West_Scottish +25% West_Scottish +25% West_Scottish @ 2.163
2 50% West_Scottish +25% North_Dutch +25% West_Scottish @ 2.250
3 50% West_Scottish +25% Orcadian +25% West_Scottish @ 2.261
4 50% West_Scottish +25% Irish +25% West_Scottish @ 2.276
5 50% West_Scottish +25% Norwegian +25% Southwest_English @ 2.276
6 50% West_Scottish +25% Norwegian +25% West_Scottish @ 2.320
7 50% West_Scottish +25% Irish +25% Orcadian @ 2.411
8 50% West_Scottish +25% Southwest_English +25% West_Scottish @ 2.416
9 50% West_Scottish +25% Southeast_English +25% West_Scottish @ 2.429
10 50% West_Scottish +25% North_Dutch +25% Southwest_English @ 2.434
678274 iterations.



Using 4 populations approximation:
1 West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.163
2 North_Dutch + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.250
3 Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.261
4 Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.276
5 Norwegian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.276
6 Norwegian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.320
7 Irish + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.411
8 Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.416
9 Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.429
10 North_Dutch + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.434
11 Irish + Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.442
12 Irish + North_Dutch + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.475
13 Irish + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.513
14 Danish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.513
15 Irish + Norwegian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.514
16 Orcadian + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.520
17 Irish + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.552
18 Irish + Norwegian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.559
19 Norwegian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.567
20 North_Dutch + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.568



23andMe


# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 52.73
2 Baltic 23.57
3 West_Med 11.9
4 West_Asian 4.17
5 East_Med 2.51
6 Red_Sea 1.5
7 Northeast_African 1.15
8 Amerindian 1.08
9 Siberian 0.59
10 East_Asian 0.43
11 Oceanian 0.35



Using 1 population approximation:
1 West_Scottish @ 2.445381
2 Orcadian @ 2.801820
3 Irish @ 3.090581
4 Southwest_English @ 4.079818
5 North_Dutch @ 4.470723
6 Southeast_English @ 4.585011
7 Danish @ 5.333041
8 Norwegian @ 6.092976
9 North_German @ 7.964433
10 Swedish @ 9.309278
11 South_Dutch @ 10.631128
12 West_German @ 12.132713
13 North_Swedish @ 16.188072
14 French @ 16.250372
15 Austrian @ 18.245956
16 East_German @ 18.490625
17 Hungarian @ 23.504978
18 Spanish_Cataluna @ 23.857307
19 Southwest_French @ 24.606785
20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 24.847672

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Orcadian +50% West_Scottish @ 2.309369


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Orcadian +25% West_Scottish +25% West_Scottish @ 2.309369


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.292434
2 Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.301936
3 Orcadian + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.309369
4 North_Dutch + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.324097
5 North_Dutch + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.330362
6 Norwegian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.339781
7 Orcadian + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.404918
8 North_Dutch + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.408655
9 Irish + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.417958
10 Orcadian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.427908
11 Irish + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.444764
12 West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.445381
13 Norwegian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.451610
14 Danish + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.459154
15 Norwegian + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.459786
16 North_Dutch + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.472844
17 Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 2.474714
18 Irish + Orcadian + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 2.482153
19 North_Dutch + Orcadian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.483617
20 Norwegian + Orcadian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.488283

My known ancestry is English,Scottish and Irish.

sk8termom
07-01-2015, 02:21 AM
sorry - didn't realize I posted twice - please ignore this one

my son Edwin, adopted from Guatemala, he is mostly Maya


Population
North_Atlantic -
Baltic -
West_Med 1.62%
West_Asian 0.24%
East_Med -
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 0.77%
East_Asian 1.41%
Siberian 3.04%
Amerindian 92.25%
Oceanian 0.67%
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

AnnieD
07-01-2015, 05:01 AM
I am mostly Colonial American with primary ancestry assumed to be British, German and possibly a Belgian or Netherlands ancestor (Hesters). My K13 results based on 23andMe test seem to correlate overall with my paper trail. Highest population percentages with 23andMe were British (60%), French/German (14%), Broadly S. European (1.5%) and Native American (1%).

K13:
# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 48.80
2 Baltic 23.34
3 West_Med 12.98
4 East_Med 7.64
5 West_Asian 3.65
6 Amerindian 1.34
7 Siberian 1.10


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Southeast_English @ 3.614478
2 South_Dutch @ 5.978817
3 Orcadian @ 6.023460
4 Danish @ 6.506250
5 North_Dutch @ 6.603568
6 Southwest_English @ 6.767080
7 West_German @ 7.018650
8 North_German @ 7.274159
9 West_Scottish @ 7.740787
10 Irish @ 7.782063
11 Norwegian @ 9.058373
12 Swedish @ 10.828474
13 French @ 11.565889
14 Austrian @ 14.049621
15 East_German @ 14.933436
16 North_Swedish @ 16.264969
17 Hungarian @ 18.997545
18 Spanish_Cataluna @ 19.511105
19 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 20.848804
20 Spanish_Galicia @ 21.288477

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% South_Dutch +50% Southeast_English @ 3.450654


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Southeast_English +25% Southeast_English +25% West_German @ 2.860779


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_German @ 2.860779
2 South_Dutch + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 3.054049
3 Danish + Danish + Norwegian + Spanish_Valencia @ 3.072703
4 Danish + Danish + Norwegian + Spanish_Murcia @ 3.087989
5 Danish + French + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 3.099749
6 Danish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_German @ 3.101264
7 French + Norwegian + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 3.102974
8 Danish + Norwegian + Norwegian + Spanish_Valencia @ 3.122332
9 Danish + Danish + French + Southeast_English @ 3.141130
10 Danish + Norwegian + Norwegian + Spanish_Murcia @ 3.144956
11 Orcadian + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_German @ 3.145711
12 North_Dutch + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_German @ 3.194771
13 Danish + North_Dutch + Norwegian + Spanish_Valencia @ 3.201208
14 Danish + South_Dutch + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 3.208311
15 Danish + Danish + Norwegian + Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.214349
16 French + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Swedish @ 3.222061
17 Danish + North_Dutch + Norwegian + Spanish_Murcia @ 3.228465
18 Danish + Danish + Danish + Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.232521
19 Danish + French + North_Dutch + Southeast_English @ 3.237607
20 Danish + Danish + Danish + Spanish_Valencia @ 3.259694

dragonsmoke
07-03-2015, 04:53 AM
Even though it says there's not a lot of "Amerindian", chromosome 14 actually features 13.4% Amerindian and its the most amerindian that I have across my genome. My chromosome 18 has significantly less SSA than the other chromosomes. The North Atlantic (at 20.4%) and the East Mediterranean (at 11.2%) at its highest in my genome in this one.

randwulf
07-03-2015, 11:14 AM
Even though it says there's not a lot of "Amerindian", chromosome 14 actually features 13.4% Amerindian and its the most amerindian that I have across my genome. My chromosome 18 has significantly less SSA than the other chromosomes. The North Atlantic (at 20.4%) and the East Mediterranean (at 11.2%) at its highest in my genome in this one.

Did you try the screen painting, yet? It can be interesting to see visually if the minor ancestry components are thinly spread out or very small chunks ("noisy") or in a larger chunk that may have come from an ancestor more intact.

randwulf
07-03-2015, 11:22 AM
I need to learn more about how the Oracle calculators work. Is there some documentation on how to interpret these results?

Here is my son's Eurogenes-K13 results. He is adopted from Guatemala and is mostly Maya. Is it safe to assume that the West_Med has his Spanish background, and everything else, except for the .24% West_Asian points to Native American?

North_Atlantic -
Baltic -
West_Med 1.62%
West_Asian 0.24%
East_Med -
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 0.77%
East_Asian 1.41%
Siberian 3.04%
Amerindian 92.25%
Oceanian 0.67%
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

I do not know of documentation of the calculators, as such. I just poke around in these blogs to try to learn. I would think the West_Med, West_Asian, and South_Asian scores may all come from the European ancestry for your son and the rest from the Mayan ancestry.

Boudicca
07-03-2015, 03:17 PM
Did you try the screen painting, yet? It can be interesting to see visually if the minor ancestry components are thinly spread out or very small chunks ("noisy") or in a larger chunk that may have come from an ancestor more intact.

This is probably a stupid question, but how do we do the screen painting?

randwulf
07-03-2015, 04:05 PM
This is probably a stupid question, but how do we do the screen painting?

The easiest way is in GedMatch in the Admixture tool. There are radio buttons that allow you to choose chromosome screen painting instead of the the default percentage displays.

dragonsmoke
07-05-2015, 06:34 AM
Did you try the screen painting, yet? It can be interesting to see visually if the minor ancestry components are thinly spread out or very small chunks ("noisy") or in a larger chunk that may have come from an ancestor more intact.

I had 5119

randwulf
07-05-2015, 04:58 PM
I had 5119

It looks like you do have some Amerindian-like snippets, especially on chromosome 14. They have the layered Amerindian and Siberian blue colors. There are a few smaller ones in other places. And you can see the European snippets among the majority Sub-Saharan painting in several places.

dragonsmoke
07-05-2015, 05:21 PM
It looks like you do have some Amerindian-like snippets, especially on chromosome 14. They have the layered Amerindian and Siberian blue colors. There are a few smaller ones in other places. And you can see the European snippets among the majority Sub-Saharan painting in several places.
Are the Asian results related to Amerindian/Native american?

randwulf
07-06-2015, 02:36 AM
Are the Asian results related to Amerindian/Native american?

I think that is possible, especially if you have a family history that matches what you are seeing in these results.

dragonsmoke
07-06-2015, 08:17 PM
I think that is possible, especially if you have a family history that matches what you are seeing in these results.

I am African/American Negro, I cant imagine where in my history i would have been all or part Asian. Ancestry spat out the asian part too, as being middle eastern and something else. I also have Iberian and some calculators give me northern africa too. Unless I was a Moor, or some relation of Berbers or a group up there, I dont see how I could be Asian/Middle Eastern

randwulf
07-06-2015, 09:02 PM
I am African/American Negro, I cant imagine where in my history i would have been all or part Asian. Ancestry spat out the asian part too, as being middle eastern and something else. I also have Iberian and some calculators give me northern africa too. Unless I was a Moor, or some relation of Berbers or a group up there, I dont see how I could be Asian/Middle Eastern

One of my family members is very northwest European American, English, German, Scottish, Irish mostly. His tests match the paper. He consistently tests with sub-Saharan African plus Siberian/East Asian/Amerindian. In the screen paintings, he has snippets where the African and mixed Asian/Amerindian colors are stacked together. It turns out, he is supposed to have had a "Seminole" ancestor at about the right distance in time for the total percentage of these components. I suspect he may have had a 50/50 African/Amerindian ancestor that passed on those mixed snippets.

My father consistently shows 3-4%, sometimes more or less a mixed Siberian /Oceania/East Asian/Amerindian number to go with what otherwise would look like a west German or French person. He also is from the USA. I have no explanation for it. However in the screen painting these are stacked together in well defined snippets. It seems he and I may have an unknown Asian ancestor that would have these mixed components, like a south and east Chinese person would have.

A lot of us from the USA have elevated minority numbers like this, from looking at others here on this site. I think a lot of mixing occurred that is not recorded on paper anywhere. For you, it seems like the Siberian is not from a person from Asia, but more likely the calculator is just assigning some of what it sees as Siberian and others as Amerindian, but they are similar and together on the chromosome. It also could just be "noise". When it is a small amount, it would be easy to read too much into it. It all could be from an Amerindian ancestor, too.

dragonsmoke
07-06-2015, 10:34 PM
One of my family members is very northwest European American, English, German, Scottish, Irish mostly. His tests match the paper. He consistently tests with sub-Saharan African plus Siberian/East Asian/Amerindian. In the screen paintings, he has snippets where the African and mixed Asian/Amerindian colors are stacked together. It turns out, he is supposed to have had a "Seminole" ancestor at about the right distance in time for the total percentage of these components. I suspect he may have had a 50/50 African/Amerindian ancestor that passed on those mixed snippets.

My father consistently shows 3-4%, sometimes more or less a mixed Siberian /Oceania/East Asian/Amerindian number to go with what otherwise would look like a west German or French person. He also is from the USA. I have no explanation for it. However in the screen painting these are stacked together in well defined snippets. It seems he and I may have an unknown Asian ancestor that would have these mixed components, like a south and east Chinese person would have.

A lot of us from the USA have elevated minority numbers like this, from looking at others here on this site. I think a lot of mixing occurred that is not recorded on paper anywhere. For you, it seems like the Siberian is not from a person from Asia, but more likely the calculator is just assigning some of what it sees as Siberian and others as Amerindian, but they are similar and together on the chromosome. It also could just be "noise". When it is a small amount, it would be easy to read too much into it. It all could be from an Amerindian ancestor, too.

Thank you for your insight!

kerbal
07-07-2015, 05:20 PM
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 46.07
2 West_Med 23.05
3 Baltic 16.29
4 East_Med 7.95
5 West_Asian 2.87
6 East_Asian 1.41
7 Amerindian 0.91
8 Sub-Saharan 0.54
9 Red_Sea 0.38
10 Northeast_African 0.31
11 Oceanian 0.22

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 French 6.03
2 Spanish_Cataluna 7.68
3 Southwest_French 8.29
4 Spanish_Cantabria 8.62
5 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 8.99
6 South_Dutch 9.25
7 Spanish_Galicia 9.86
8 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 10.21
9 Spanish_Valencia 10.24
10 Portuguese 10.25
11 West_German 10.36
12 Spanish_Aragon 10.56
13 Spanish_Murcia 10.6
14 Southwest_English 11.46
15 Southeast_English 11.48
16 Spanish_Extremadura 11.56
17 Spanish_Andalucia 12.35
18 Orcadian 13.76
19 West_Scottish 14.44
20 Irish 14.54

Crom
07-10-2015, 02:30 AM
Crom, that's the magical of Oracles with modern reference populations. Look at mine (extract only):

1 French @ 6,450021
2 South_Dutch @ 6,875365
3 West_German @ 7,738119
4 Southeast_English @ 11,265774
5 Southwest_English @ 11,796797

1 North_German+Southwest_French @ 3,510104
2 North_German+Spanish_Cantabria @ 3,885945
3 Spanish_Andalucia+Swedish @ 4,174566
4 French_Basque+Hungarian @ 4,394031
5 Norwegian+Spanish_Andalucia @ 4,621727
6 Danish+Southwest_French @ 4,638244
7 Southwest_French+West_German @ 4,66684
8 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha+Swedish @ 4,680152

1 50% Irish +25% Sardinian +25% Swedish @ 2,614549
2 50% Irish +25% North_German +25% Sardinian @ 2,631486
3 50% Irish +25% Norwegian +25% Sardinian @ 2,834941
4 50% West_German +25% East_German +25% French_Basque @ 2,898732 :amen:

In a few weeks, you'll interest only in Oracles with archeological references, which are far more indicative.


Which oracles have archaeological references? I am definitely interested.

E_M81_I3A
07-15-2015, 08:44 PM
K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 26.21
2 West_Med 24.78
3 East_Med 17.73
4 Baltic 8.91
5 Red_Sea 7.65
6 Sub-Saharan 5.56
7 Northeast_African 4.68
8 West_Asian 2.99


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 North_Italian @ 11.615885
2 Tuscan @ 12.101514
3 Spanish_Extremadura @ 14.446131
4 Portuguese @ 14.821631
5 Spanish_Galicia @ 15.517608
6 West_Sicilian @ 15.974547
7 Spanish_Murcia @ 16.240465
8 Spanish_Andalucia @ 16.367874
9 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 17.078152
10 Spanish_Valencia @ 17.602848
11 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 18.035448
12 Greek_Thessaly @ 18.072327
13 Italian_Abruzzo @ 18.294380
14 Spanish_Cataluna @ 18.487207
15 Spanish_Cantabria @ 19.851347
16 East_Sicilian @ 20.286139
17 Spanish_Aragon @ 21.156366
18 Central_Greek @ 21.160528
19 Romanian @ 21.354704
20 Bulgarian @ 21.552473

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% French +50% Mozabite_Berber @ 3.574775


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Mozabite_Berber +25% Southwest_French +25% West_German @ 2.092912


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 French_Basque + Hungarian + Mozabite_Berber + Tunisian @ 1.733135
2 Austrian + French_Basque + Tunisian + Tunisian @ 1.878078
3 Algerian + French_Basque + Mozabite_Berber + Serbian @ 1.905692
4 Austrian + French_Basque + Mozabite_Berber + Tunisian @ 1.975571
5 French_Basque + Mozabite_Berber + Mozabite_Berber + Serbian @ 1.995141
6 Algerian + French_Basque + Hungarian + Mozabite_Berber @ 2.035183
7 French_Basque + Hungarian + Moroccan + Tunisian @ 2.035562
8 Algerian + French_Basque + Hungarian + Tunisian @ 2.078864
9 French_Basque + Hungarian + Mozabite_Berber + Mozabite_Berber @ 2.082491
10 Mozabite_Berber + Mozabite_Berber + Southwest_French + West_German @ 2.092912
11 Algerian + Algerian + French_Basque + Serbian @ 2.129977
12 Algerian + Austrian + French_Basque + Tunisian @ 2.144718
13 East_German + French_Basque + Tunisian + Tunisian @ 2.186004
14 French_Basque + Mozabite_Berber + Serbian + Tunisian @ 2.192656
15 French_Basque + Hungarian + Tunisian + Tunisian @ 2.229871
16 Mozabite_Berber + Mozabite_Berber + South_Dutch + Southwest_French @ 2.230199
17 Algerian + Algerian + French_Basque + Hungarian @ 2.253711
18 Austrian + French_Basque + Moroccan + Tunisian @ 2.259115
19 Mozabite_Berber + South_Dutch + Southwest_French + Tunisian @ 2.270103
20 Moroccan + Mozabite_Berber + Southwest_French + West_German @ 2.307983

anglesqueville
07-15-2015, 09:23 PM
Which oracles have archaeological references? I am definitely interested.

Look on the autosomal subforum, every new calculator ( mdlp k10, k12, eurogenes k10steppes, k14ANI, sure I'm forgetting one ot two) have averages sheets for oracles with ancient dna. Of course, as they are sort of experiments, they are not on gedmatch. For one of the best old good ones, eurogenes EuTest v2k15, I can give you a sheet for the 4-ancestors oracle with only ancients, but it's not complete, far from it:

15 {Quantity of components}
North_Sea
Atlantic
Baltic
Eastern_Euro
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
Southeast_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
Northeast_African
Sub-Saharan
Anzick_1 0,02 0,01 0,03 2,60 0,54 0,00 0,00 0,01 0,04 1,27 4,03 90,97 0,47 0,00 0,00
BR1 24,45 27,90 25,19 2,93 19,53 0,00 0,00 0,00 0,00 0,00 0,00 0,00 0,00 0,00 0,00
BR2 22,92 25,71 15,34 10,92 15,58 0,04 7,17 1,95 0,00 0,00 0,00 0,00 0,17 0,02 0,18
Gokhem2 16,74 27,71 3,78 0,00 45,34 0,00 4,66 0,78 0,00 0,00 0,00 0,00 0,98 0,01 0,00
Hinxton1 40,82 27,40 6,42 12,73 6,78 4,12 0,01 1,41 0,00 0,00 0,00 0,01 0,00 0,30 0,00
Hinxton2 43,07 28,50 7,00 12,41 5,01 2,82 0,01 0,00 0,76 0,00 0,00 0,02 0,40 0,00 0,00
Hinxton3 45,59 28,32 3,38 8,57 5,26 6,74 0,03 0,15 0,32 0,00 0,00 0,08 0,00 0,82 0,76
Hinxton4 34,84 31,87 13,90 5,70 6,33 4,77 0,00 0,00 1,90 0,04 0,12 0,00 0,00 0,00 0,51
Hinxton5 35,46 28,96 16,17 7,47 8,22 0,15 0,88 0,69 0,00 0,70 0,00 0,00 0,00 0,00 1,30
IR1 23,36 23,40 11,44 19,14 6,29 15,76 0,04 0,10 0,00 0,00 0,15 0,31 0,00 0,00 0,00
Karitiana 0,01 0,00 0,01 0,01 0,00 0,01 0,00 0,00 0,03 0,20 0,17 99,54 0,01 0,00 0,00
La_Brana_1 29,05 27,26 27,78 14,10 0,01 0,00 0,00 0,00 0,00 0,00 0,00 0,00 1,80 0,00 0,00
Loschbour 29,69 29,57 31,49 8,31 0,00 0,00 0,00 0,00 0,00 0,00 0,00 0,00 0,93 0,00 0,00
MA_1 2,90 0,00 4,11 34,45 0,00 0,01 0,00 0,00 28,61 0,00 4,61 21,16 3,37 0,79 0,00
Motala12 34,36 10,06 26,87 27,50 0,00 0,00 0,00 0,00 0,00 0,00 0,00 0,97 0,25 0,00 0,00
NE1 2,02 20,82 2,37 0,00 39,83 0,00 31,01 3,94 0,00 0,00 0,00 0,00 0,00 0,00 0,00
NE6 0,00 22,50 0,00 0,00 52,55 0,00 20,16 4,78 0,00 0,00 0,00 0,00 0,00 0,00 0,00
Karelia_HG 23,73 0,13 18,89 40,43 0 0 0 0 0,26 0 0 16,47 0 0 0,08
Samara_HG 25,51 0,01 17,68 41,73 0 0 0 0 1,99 0 0 12,02 1,07 0 0
Yamnaya1 29,55 1,62 12,2 26,14 0 17,96 0 0 7,37 0 0 5,16 0 0 0
Yamnaya2 24,4 3,24 13,84 30,19 0 16,17 0 0 7,61 0 0 3,51 0 0 1,06
Yamnaya3 17,98 9,73 14,12 26,52 0 21,1 0 0 5,99 0 0 4,45 0,12 0 0
Yamnaya4 28,13 0,01 16,1 25,64 0 19,5 0 0 6,38 0 0 4,25 0 0 0
Yamnaya5 24,3 8,21 10,01 30,66 0 15,08 0 0 6,22 0 0 5,47 0,05 0 0
Yamnaya6 26,16 0,02 11,16 33,01 0 22,55 0 0 2,1 0 0 4,99 0 0 0
Yamnaya7 22,57 5,55 13,9 28,6 0 19,61 0 0 5,59 0 0 4,18 0,01 0 0
Corded_Ware_LN1 27,69 20,15 11,75 23,14 0 12,34 0 0 3,2 0 0 1,73 0 0 0
Corded_Ware_LN2 25,93 27,79 12,84 17,26 0 11,6 0 0,01 3,09 0 0 1,49 0 0 0
Corded_Ware_LN3 29,97 19,46 16,78 14,43 0 13,18 0 0 3,3 0 0,01 1,65 1,22 0 0
Corded_Ware_LN4 30,16 8,63 20,14 22,35 0 7,67 0 0 4,22 0 0,46 3,42 0,48 2,48 0
Bell_Beaker_LN1 21,94 33,51 18,36 5,65 13,13 2,85 1,57 0 0,03 0 1,51 0,62 0 0,42 0,41
Bell_Beaker_LN2 27,8 26,33 16,61 8,07 13,95 2,48 0,06 0,89 0,97 0,07 0,12 2,48 0 0,15 0,01
Bell_Beaker_LN3 33,95 27,36 10,97 13,91 9,96 1,81 0 0,04 0,05 0 0 1,03 0,92 0 0
Bell_Beaker_LN4 36,57 29,08 12,89 7,22 0 12,34 0 0,04 0,57 0 0,18 1,09 0 0 0
Bell_Beaker_LN5 29,27 28,38 6,22 8,86 14,25 1,08 3,49 1,06 1,65 0 2,43 1,91 0 0 1,4
Bell_Beaker_LN6 34,8 21,43 11,13 17,77 7,15 4,42 0 0 0,05 0 0 2,93 0 0 0,32
Bell_Beaker_LN7 30,97 23,47 11,57 12,97 4,98 10,14 0,01 0 3,16 0 0 2,64 0 0 0,08

Awale
07-17-2015, 07:46 PM
Me:

West Med: 2.58%
East Med: 8.91%
Red Sea: 26.02%
Northeast African: 54.94%
Sub-Saharan: 6.47%



Fellow Somali I was recently helping out with his results:

West Med: 1.47%
East Med: 11.62%
Red Sea: 25.94%
Northeast African: 54.82%
Sub-Saharan: 6.08%

Oracle:



Me:

Single pop. sharing

# Population (source) Distance
1 Somali 3.03
2 Ethiopian_Oromo 7.13
3 Ethiopian_Wolayta 8.81
4 Ethiopian_Amhara 13.96
5 Ethiopian_Tigray 16
6 Ethiopian_Ari_cultivator 26.48
7 Maasai 31.63
8 Hadza 38.41
9 Ethiopian_Gumuz 38.57
10 Sandawe 40.6
11 Ethiopian_Anuak 45.17
12 Sudanese 48.44
13 Moroccan 53.44
14 Egyptian 54.51
15 Algerian 55.23
16 Mozabite_Berber 55.42
17 Tunisian 56.91
18 Bedouin 59.78
19 Jordanian 61.75
20 Saudi 63.14

Mixed Mode

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 98.3% Somali + 1.7% French_Basque @ 2.69
2 98.3% Somali + 1.7% Southwest_French @ 2.73
3 98.3% Somali + 1.7% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.74
4 98.3% Somali + 1.7% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.74
5 98.8% Somali + 1.2% NAN_Melanesian @ 2.75
6 98.4% Somali + 1.6% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.75
7 98.3% Somali + 1.7% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.76
8 98.4% Somali + 1.6% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.76
9 99.1% Somali + 0.9% Papuan @ 2.76
10 98.3% Somali + 1.7% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.77
11 98.5% Somali + 1.5% Southwest_English @ 2.77
12 98.5% Somali + 1.5% Sardinian @ 2.77
13 97.7% Somali + 2.3% Moroccan @ 2.77
14 98.3% Somali + 1.7% Portuguese @ 2.77
15 98.4% Somali + 1.6% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.77
16 98.5% Somali + 1.5% Irish @ 2.78
17 98.5% Somali + 1.5% West_Scottish @ 2.78
18 98.4% Somali + 1.6% French @ 2.78
19 98.4% Somali + 1.6% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.78
20 98.4% Somali + 1.6% Spanish_Murcia @



Him:

Single pop. sharing

# Population (source) Distance
1 Somali 2.11
2 Ethiopian_Oromo 5.48
3 Ethiopian_Wolayta 7.96
4 Ethiopian_Amhara 12.01
5 Ethiopian_Tigray 14.15
6 Ethiopian_Ari_cultivator 27.12
7 Maasai 32.4
8 Hadza 39.2
9 Ethiopian_Gumuz 39.31
10 Sandawe 41.02
11 Ethiopian_Anuak 45.91
12 Sudanese 49.16
13 Moroccan 53.22
14 Egyptian 53.49
15 Algerian 54.88
16 Mozabite_Berber 55.18
17 Tunisian 56.49
18 Bedouin 58.84
19 Jordanian 60.75
20 Saudi 62.01


Mixed Mode

97.1% Somali + 2.9% Saudi @ 1.03
2 87.4% Somali + 12.6% Ethiopian_Amhara @ 1.22
3 97.4% Somali + 2.6% Yemenite_Jewish @ 1.23
4 89.4% Somali + 10.6% Ethiopian_Tigray @ 1.29
5 97.4% Somali + 2.6% Bedouin @ 1.37
6 97.2% Somali + 2.8% Egyptian @ 1.45
7 97.7% Somali + 2.3% Palestinian @ 1.5
8 97.7% Somali + 2.3% Jordanian @ 1.54
9 97.9% Somali + 2.1% Samaritan @ 1.54
10 97.9% Somali + 2.1% Syrian @ 1.56
11 98% Somali + 2% Lebanese_Christian @ 1.57
12 97.4% Somali + 2.6% Moroccan @ 1.57
13 97.5% Somali + 2.5% Algerian @ 1.59
14 97.6% Somali + 2.4% Tunisian @ 1.59
15 97.6% Somali + 2.4% Mozabite_Berber @ 1.61
16 98% Somali + 2% Lebanese_Muslim @ 1.61
17 97.9% Somali + 2.1% Libyan_Jewish @ 1.61
18 98% Somali + 2% Tunisian_Jewish @ 1.61
19 98.1% Somali + 1.9% Lebanese_Druze @ 1.62
20 98.2% Somali + 1.8% Kurdish_Jewish @ 1.63



If anyone's curious; his Haplogroups are:

Y-DNA: T
mtDNA: L0a1a

Helgenes50
07-21-2015, 06:49 AM
K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 26.21
2 West_Med 24.78
3 East_Med 17.73
4 Baltic 8.91
5 Red_Sea 7.65
6 Sub-Saharan 5.56
7 Northeast_African 4.68
8 West_Asian 2.99


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 North_Italian @ 11.615885
2 Tuscan @ 12.101514
3 Spanish_Extremadura @ 14.446131
4 Portuguese @ 14.821631
5 Spanish_Galicia @ 15.517608
6 West_Sicilian @ 15.974547
7 Spanish_Murcia @ 16.240465
8 Spanish_Andalucia @ 16.367874
9 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 17.078152
10 Spanish_Valencia @ 17.602848
11 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 18.035448
12 Greek_Thessaly @ 18.072327
13 Italian_Abruzzo @ 18.294380
14 Spanish_Cataluna @ 18.487207
15 Spanish_Cantabria @ 19.851347
16 East_Sicilian @ 20.286139
17 Spanish_Aragon @ 21.156366
18 Central_Greek @ 21.160528
19 Romanian @ 21.354704
20 Bulgarian @ 21.552473

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% French +50% Mozabite_Berber @ 3.574775


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Mozabite_Berber +25% Southwest_French +25% West_German @ 2.092912


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 French_Basque + Hungarian + Mozabite_Berber + Tunisian @ 1.733135
2 Austrian + French_Basque + Tunisian + Tunisian @ 1.878078
3 Algerian + French_Basque + Mozabite_Berber + Serbian @ 1.905692
4 Austrian + French_Basque + Mozabite_Berber + Tunisian @ 1.975571
5 French_Basque + Mozabite_Berber + Mozabite_Berber + Serbian @ 1.995141
6 Algerian + French_Basque + Hungarian + Mozabite_Berber @ 2.035183
7 French_Basque + Hungarian + Moroccan + Tunisian @ 2.035562
8 Algerian + French_Basque + Hungarian + Tunisian @ 2.078864
9 French_Basque + Hungarian + Mozabite_Berber + Mozabite_Berber @ 2.082491
10 Mozabite_Berber + Mozabite_Berber + Southwest_French + West_German @ 2.092912
11 Algerian + Algerian + French_Basque + Serbian @ 2.129977
12 Algerian + Austrian + French_Basque + Tunisian @ 2.144718
13 East_German + French_Basque + Tunisian + Tunisian @ 2.186004
14 French_Basque + Mozabite_Berber + Serbian + Tunisian @ 2.192656
15 French_Basque + Hungarian + Tunisian + Tunisian @ 2.229871
16 Mozabite_Berber + Mozabite_Berber + South_Dutch + Southwest_French @ 2.230199
17 Algerian + Algerian + French_Basque + Hungarian @ 2.253711
18 Austrian + French_Basque + Moroccan + Tunisian @ 2.259115
19 Mozabite_Berber + South_Dutch + Southwest_French + Tunisian @ 2.270103
20 Moroccan + Mozabite_Berber + Southwest_French + West_German @ 2.307983

I don't know il you are half Kabyle and half SE French, but if it's the case, your K13 oracles are really accurate.
Did you try K15 Eurogenes

E_M81_I3A
07-21-2015, 06:18 PM
I don't know il you are half Kabyle and half SE French, but if it's the case, your K13 oracles are really accurate.
Did you try K15 Eurogenes

Yes, quite accurate, I tried K15 http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?3527-Post-your-Eurogenes-V2-K15-results&p=95662#post95662 but not much difference

Asimakidis
07-30-2015, 07:53 PM
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 34.94
2 West_Asian 33.74
3 West_Med 15.03
4 Baltic 5.73
5 North_Atlantic 5.02
6 Red_Sea 3.94
7 South_Asian 0.76
8 Siberian 0.6
9 East_Asian 0.24

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Armenian 7.28
2 Georgian_Jewish 7.7
3 Assyrian 8.33
4 Turkish 8.39
5 Azeri 11.46
6 Kurdish_Jewish 12.05
7 Iranian_Jewish 12.57
8 Kurdish 12.89
9 Lebanese_Muslim 12.97
10 Cyprian 14.25
11 Iranian 15.12
12 Syrian 15.6
13 Lebanese_Druze 17.68
14 Lebanese_Christian 18.26
15 Kumyk 19.18
16 Samaritan 19.53
17 Georgian 19.96
18 Jordanian 20.14
19 South_Italian 20.52
20 Central_Greek 20.73


Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 60.4% Cyprian + 39.6% Abhkasian @ 3.03
2 58.6% Cyprian + 41.4% Georgian @ 3.19
3 80.2% Armenian + 19.8% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.47
4 83.1% Armenian + 16.9% Bulgarian @ 3.53
5 76.4% Armenian + 23.6% Central_Greek @ 3.6
6 78.3% Armenian + 21.7% Ashkenazi @ 3.76
7 84.5% Armenian + 15.5% Romanian @ 3.82
8 77.4% Armenian + 22.6% East_Sicilian @ 3.9
9 86.2% Armenian + 13.8% Serbian @ 4
10 77.1% Armenian + 22.9% South_Italian @ 4.18
11 88.4% Armenian + 11.6% Croatian @ 4.24
12 87.6% Armenian + 12.4% Moldavian @ 4.24
13 79.7% Armenian + 20.3% Italian_Abruzzo @ 4.25
14 81.3% Armenian + 18.7% West_Sicilian @ 4.29
15 89.9% Armenian + 10.1% Ukrainian @ 4.37
16 60.7% Cyprian + 39.3% Adygei @ 4.37
17 84.2% Armenian + 15.8% Tuscan @ 4.37
18 88.6% Armenian + 11.4% Hungarian @ 4.4
19 90% Armenian + 10% South_Polish @ 4.43
20 90.8% Armenian + 9.2% Estonian_Polish @ 4.47


Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Armenian @ 8.268877
2 Georgian_Jewish @ 8.582418
3 Turkish @ 9.332623
4 Assyrian @ 9.382500
5 Azeri @ 12.778603
6 Kurdish_Jewish @ 13.528943
7 Iranian_Jewish @ 14.141802
8 Kurdish @ 14.556489
9 Lebanese_Muslim @ 14.598622
10 Cyprian @ 16.371040
11 Iranian @ 16.916229
12 Syrian @ 17.333941
13 Lebanese_Druze @ 20.386366
14 Lebanese_Christian @ 20.886787
15 Kumyk @ 22.003757
16 Jordanian @ 22.192114
17 Samaritan @ 22.202272
18 Georgian @ 23.182495
19 South_Italian @ 23.650951
20 Central_Greek @ 23.927576

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Cyprian +50% Georgian @ 4.923306


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Armenian +25% Central_Greek +25% Georgian_Jewish @ 3.875406


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Adygei + Armenian + Cyprian + Cyprian @ 3.527335
2 Abhkasian + Armenian + Central_Greek + Lebanese_Druze @ 3.546188
3 Armenian + Cyprian + Cyprian + North_Ossetian @ 3.586577
4 Abhkasian + Armenian + Central_Greek + Lebanese_Christian @ 3.633306
5 Abhkasian + Assyrian + Assyrian + Central_Greek @ 3.706804
6 Abhkasian + Assyrian + Assyrian + South_Italian @ 3.813422
7 Abhkasian + Armenian + Ashkenazi + Assyrian @ 3.824019
8 Armenian + Cyprian + Cyprian + Georgian @ 3.861181
9 Abhkasian + Armenian + Cyprian + Cyprian @ 3.864046
10 Armenian + Armenian + Central_Greek + Georgian_Jewish @ 3.875406
11 Abhkasian + Central_Greek + Georgian_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze @ 3.911575
12 Abhkasian + Assyrian + Assyrian + East_Sicilian @ 3.959538
13 Abhkasian + Armenian + East_Sicilian + Lebanese_Druze @ 3.966232
14 Abhkasian + Armenian + Lebanese_Druze + South_Italian @ 3.977076
15 Armenian + Ashkenazi + Assyrian + Georgian @ 4.003149
16 Abhkasian + Ashkenazi + Assyrian + Georgian_Jewish @ 4.004930
17 Abhkasian + Ashkenazi + Assyrian + Assyrian @ 4.013883
18 Assyrian + Assyrian + Central_Greek + Georgian @ 4.014768
19 Abhkasian + Central_Greek + Georgian_Jewish + Lebanese_Christian @ 4.036532
20 Assyrian + Assyrian + Georgian + South_Italian @ 4.040858

Sorry for the long post.

Sangarius
07-30-2015, 08:05 PM
Admix Results (sorted):

Are you pure Pontic Greek? Or mixed?

Asimakidis
07-30-2015, 08:11 PM
Are you pure Pontic Greek? Or mixed?

75 % Pontic Greek, 25 % Greek Thracian.

Dorkymon
08-01-2015, 03:38 PM
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 29.17
2 North_Atlantic 25.26
3 West_Med 15.29
4 East_Med 13.05
5 West_Asian 10.00
6 Siberian 2.65
7 East_Asian 2.07
8 Red_Sea 1.48

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Serbian @ 4.601385
2 Moldavian @ 5.699784
3 Romanian @ 7.730595
4 Croatian @ 8.897905
5 Hungarian @ 9.285542
6 Bulgarian @ 10.344256
7 Austrian @ 13.609597
8 East_German @ 15.031610
9 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 15.833433
10 South_Polish @ 16.667696
11 Ukrainian @ 17.295725
12 Greek_Thessaly @ 20.086020
13 West_German @ 20.144962
14 Tatar @ 20.570208
15 Polish @ 20.858053
16 Southwest_Russian @ 20.912415
17 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 21.166742
18 South_Dutch @ 21.855402
19 French @ 22.345224
20 North_Italian @ 22.613775

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Moldavian +50% Serbian @ 2.745194


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +25% East_German +25% Tatar @ 2.533930


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Erzya + Italian_Abruzzo + North_Italian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.161067
2 Italian_Abruzzo + Kargopol_Russian + Moldavian + Serbian @ 2.352432
3 Erzya + Italian_Abruzzo + North_Italian + Southwest_Russian @ 2.394356
4 Austrian + Erzya + Moldavian + South_Italian @ 2.423036
5 Austrian + Central_Greek + Erzya + Serbian @ 2.424443
6 Bulgarian + East_German + Erzya + Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.427929
7 Central_Greek + East_German + Erzya + Romanian @ 2.454652
8 Central_Greek + Erzya + Spanish_Andalucia + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.459615
9 Italian_Abruzzo + Kargopol_Russian + North_Italian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.465806
10 Central_Greek + East_German + Erzya + Serbian @ 2.480118
11 Austrian + Kargopol_Russian + Moldavian + South_Italian @ 2.484510
12 East_Finnish + Italian_Abruzzo + Moldavian + Romanian @ 2.489713
13 Bulgarian + Erzya + Moldavian + North_Italian @ 2.491621
14 East_German + Erzya + Serbian + South_Italian @ 2.514197
15 East_German + Erzya + Italian_Abruzzo + Romanian @ 2.515399
16 Central_Greek + Kargopol_Russian + North_Italian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.515465
17 Bulgarian + North_Italian + Tatar + Ukrainian @ 2.516113
18 Central_Greek + Erzya + Moldavian + West_German @ 2.518579
19 Erzya + Italian_Abruzzo + North_Italian + Ukrainian @ 2.523907
20 Bulgarian + North_Italian + South_Polish + Tatar @ 2.529156

PLogan
08-23-2015, 03:36 AM
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 50.79
2 Baltic 21.5
3 West_Med 14.89
4 West_Asian 5.14
5 East_Med 5.04
6 South_Asian 1.71
7 East_Asian 0.5
8 Oceanian 0.43

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southeast_English 2.16
2 Southwest_English 2.66
3 Orcadian 4.28
4 West_Scottish 4.77
5 Irish 4.97
6 North_Dutch 6.03
7 South_Dutch 6.15
8 Danish 6.28
9 West_German 7.61
10 North_German 7.66
11 Norwegian 8.44
12 French 10.42
13 Swedish 10.71
14 Austrian 14.4
15 East_German 15.14
16 North_Swedish 16.54
17 Spanish_Cataluna 16.94
18 Southwest_French 18.15
19 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 18.25
20 Spanish_Cantabria 18.56

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 93.9% Southeast_English + 6.1% French_Basque @ 1.52
2 93.7% Southeast_English + 6.3% Spanish_Aragon @ 1.68
3 96.7% Southwest_English + 3.3% Lebanese_Druze @ 1.69
4 95.4% Southwest_English + 4.6% Ashkenazi @ 1.72
5 93.9% Southeast_English + 6.1% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.74
6 94.5% Southeast_English + 5.5% Spanish_Andalucia @ 1.75
7 95.8% Southwest_English + 4.2% Italian_Jewish @ 1.75
8 79.1% West_Scottish + 20.9% Spanish_Cataluna @ 1.76
9 81.6% West_Scottish + 18.4% Spanish_Valencia @ 1.77
10 93.8% Southeast_English + 6.2% Spanish_Cantabria @ 1.79
11 93.3% Southeast_English + 6.7% Spanish_Cataluna @ 1.79
12 96.5% Southwest_English + 3.5% Cyprian @ 1.8
13 95.5% Southwest_English + 4.5% South_Italian @ 1.8
14 95.9% Southwest_English + 4.1% Sephardic_Jewish @ 1.8
15 96.9% Southwest_English + 3.1% Lebanese_Christian @ 1.8
16 94.7% Southwest_English + 5.3% Italian_Abruzzo @ 1.81
17 96.9% Southwest_English + 3.1% Iranian_Jewish @ 1.81
18 94.9% Southwest_English + 5.1% West_Sicilian @ 1.81
19 94.4% Southeast_English + 5.6% Spanish_Murcia @ 1.82
20 96% Southwest_English + 4% Algerian_Jewish @ 1.82




--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Southeast_English @ 2.342814
2 Southwest_English @ 3.008952
3 Orcadian @ 4.761284
4 West_Scottish @ 5.391452
5 Irish @ 5.604045
6 North_Dutch @ 6.760061
7 Danish @ 7.021217
8 South_Dutch @ 7.027730
9 North_German @ 8.624300
10 West_German @ 8.755107
11 Norwegian @ 9.477060
12 French @ 11.879690
13 Swedish @ 12.052933
14 Austrian @ 16.511765
15 East_German @ 17.307619
16 North_Swedish @ 18.580391
17 Spanish_Cataluna @ 19.199297
18 Southwest_French @ 20.341877
19 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 20.602873
20 Spanish_Cantabria @ 20.854151

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Southeast_English +50% Southwest_English @ 2.091394


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Southwest_English +25% Southwest_English +25% West_German @ 2.043797


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Danish + Spanish_Cataluna + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 1.858068
2 French + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 1.908094
3 Norwegian + Spanish_Cataluna + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 1.937655
4 South_Dutch + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 1.949859
5 French + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 1.962731
6 French + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.007431
7 North_Dutch + Spanish_Cataluna + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.016264
8 Danish + Irish + Spanish_Cataluna + West_Scottish @ 2.041317
9 Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_German @ 2.043797
10 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southwest_English @ 2.048694
11 French + Irish + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 2.065696
12 French + Orcadian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.075279
13 South_Dutch + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.075566
14 Spanish_Cataluna + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.076723
15 French + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.078506
16 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.091394
17 Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_German @ 2.102091
18 Irish + Spanish_Cataluna + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.104300
19 French + Irish + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.124275
20 French + Irish + Southeast_English + Southwest_English @ 2.127762

Done.

dp
08-31-2015, 08:10 PM
Oracle4 results for Eurogenes K13 runs of my immediate family. Defaults used. Each kit has its own color to distinguish it from the others, and was used throughout the runs. The runs are for the Gaussian method, using defaults, and were generated by Admix4 (http://bga101.blogspot.com/2014/07/model-yourself-as-mixture-of-ancient.html). [That Big Red 4 lies like a tantalizing cartouche begging to be read on my toolbar (thanks to khanabadoshi for renewing my interest into such utils)]
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dp :-)
To compare with my Dodecad World9 Oracles, generated & formatted in the same way as this, click here (http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?2469-Dodecad-World9-results-(Gedmatch)&p=105739&viewfull=1#post105739)
To compare with my Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracles, generated & formatted in the same way as this, click
here (http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?3527-Post-your-Eurogenes-V2-K15-results&p=105852&viewfull=1#post105852)

Asimakidis
09-10-2015, 07:24 PM
My father's results (50%thracian greek/50%pontic greek)

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 29.81
2 West_Asian 26.41
3 West_Med 15.83
4 Baltic 12.2
5 North_Atlantic 9.22
6 Red_Sea 4.76
7 South_Asian 0.8
8 Oceanian 0.46
9 East_Asian 0.34
10 Siberian 0.16

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turkish 10.25
2 Central_Greek 12.74
3 East_Sicilian 13.9
4 South_Italian 14.59
5 Azeri 14.74
6 Cyprian 14.92
7 Lebanese_Muslim 15.25
8 Ashkenazi 15.83
9 Italian_Abruzzo 15.91
10 Georgian_Jewish 15.97
11 Assyrian 16.11
12 Armenian 16.65
13 Greek_Thessaly 16.68
14 Syrian 16.93
15 Sephardic_Jewish 17.76
16 West_Sicilian 18.57
17 Kurdish 18.57
18 Kurdish_Jewish 18.59
19 Iranian_Jewish 18.61
20 Algerian_Jewish 18.85

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 57.5% Georgian_Jewish + 42.5% Bulgarian @ 2.26
2 56.6% Armenian + 43.4% Bulgarian @ 2.82
3 60.1% Georgian_Jewish + 39.9% Romanian @ 2.93
4 57.5% Assyrian + 42.5% Bulgarian @ 3.49
5 64.1% Georgian_Jewish + 35.9% Serbian @ 3.53
6 51.1% Georgian_Jewish + 48.9% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.64
7 59.2% Armenian + 40.8% Romanian @ 3.67
8 60.1% Assyrian + 39.9% Romanian @ 3.81
9 67% Assyrian + 33% Moldavian @ 3.82
10 61.7% Ashkenazi + 38.3% Georgian @ 3.95
11 69.3% Assyrian + 30.7% Croatian @ 3.99
12 50.1% Armenian + 49.9% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.04
13 63.2% Armenian + 36.8% Serbian @ 4.04
14 63.8% Ashkenazi + 36.2% Abhkasian @ 4.1
15 64% Assyrian + 36% Serbian @ 4.14
16 59.4% Ashkenazi + 40.6% Adygei @ 4.22
17 67.3% Georgian_Jewish + 32.7% Moldavian @ 4.35
18 69.6% Georgian_Jewish + 30.4% Croatian @ 4.43
19 66.4% Armenian + 33.6% Moldavian @ 4.56
20 68.7% Armenian + 31.3% Croatian @ 4.58

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Turkish @ 11.350431
2 Central_Greek @ 14.651778
3 East_Sicilian @ 15.957772
4 Azeri @ 16.557243
5 South_Italian @ 16.692410
6 Cyprian @ 17.113464
7 Lebanese_Muslim @ 17.248795
8 Georgian_Jewish @ 18.282715
9 Ashkenazi @ 18.311337
10 Italian_Abruzzo @ 18.345806
11 Assyrian @ 18.450777
12 Syrian @ 18.872742
13 Armenian @ 19.108706
14 Greek_Thessaly @ 19.252136
15 Sephardic_Jewish @ 20.333965
16 Kurdish @ 21.142366
17 Kurdish_Jewish @ 21.193586
18 Iranian_Jewish @ 21.204697
19 West_Sicilian @ 21.353432
20 Algerian_Jewish @ 21.535599

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +50% Georgian_Jewish @ 4.099191


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Cyprian +25% Georgian +25% Moldavian @ 2.050889


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Abhkasian + Cyprian + Cyprian + Moldavian @ 1.731729
2 Abhkasian + Croatian + Cyprian + Cyprian @ 1.784662
3 Cyprian + Cyprian + Georgian + Moldavian @ 2.050889
4 Armenian + Armenian + Cyprian + Ukrainian @ 2.119830
5 Abhkasian + Croatian + Cyprian + Lebanese_Christian @ 2.151337
6 Armenian + Armenian + Cyprian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.238192
7 Abhkasian + Cyprian + Lebanese_Christian + Ukrainian @ 2.375060
8 Croatian + Cyprian + Georgian + Lebanese_Christian @ 2.392579
9 Abhkasian + Cyprian + Lebanese_Christian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.419829
10 Abhkasian + Cyprian + Lebanese_Christian + South_Polish @ 2.440522
11 Croatian + Cyprian + Cyprian + Georgian @ 2.452691
12 Abhkasian + Croatian + Cyprian + Samaritan @ 2.528796
13 Armenian + Armenian + Cyprian + South_Polish @ 2.538222
14 Armenian + Armenian + Croatian + Cyprian @ 2.539371
15 Adygei + Bulgarian + Cyprian + Cyprian @ 2.587921
16 Armenian + Croatian + Cyprian + Georgian_Jewish @ 2.608613
17 Armenian + Cyprian + Georgian_Jewish + Ukrainian @ 2.614576
18 Cyprian + Georgian + Lebanese_Christian + Moldavian @ 2.625693
19 Bulgarian + Cyprian + Cyprian + North_Ossetian @ 2.665717
20 Armenian + Cyprian + Georgian_Jewish + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.669861

Asimakidis
09-18-2015, 06:34 AM
My mother's brother's results: Pontic Greek.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 36.86
2 East_Med 36.02
3 West_Med 15.72
4 North_Atlantic 5.49
5 Red_Sea 3.41
6 Baltic 1.7
7 Oceanian 0.56
8 East_Asian 0.24

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Armenian 5.32
2 Georgian_Jewish 8.14
3 Assyrian 8.86
4 Turkish 10.84
5 Kurdish_Jewish 12.44
6 Azeri 13.15
7 Kurdish 13.21
8 Iranian_Jewish 13.31
9 Lebanese_Muslim 14.58
10 Cyprian 16
11 Iranian 16.12
12 Syrian 17.34
13 Lebanese_Druze 18.79
14 Georgian 19.03
15 Lebanese_Christian 19.26
16 Abhkasian 20.19
17 Samaritan 20.82
18 Kumyk 20.87
19 Jordanian 21.79
20 Adygei 22.3

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 86.2% Armenian + 13.8% South_Italian @ 3.92
2 93.3% Armenian + 6.7% Sardinian @ 3.97
3 87.1% Armenian + 12.9% Central_Greek @ 4.05
4 87.7% Armenian + 12.3% Italian_Jewish @ 4.06
5 89.1% Armenian + 10.9% West_Sicilian @ 4.08
6 88.3% Armenian + 11.7% Italian_Abruzzo @ 4.08
7 90.8% Armenian + 9.2% Tuscan @ 4.1
8 87.8% Armenian + 12.2% East_Sicilian @ 4.16
9 92.2% Armenian + 7.8% North_Italian @ 4.17
10 88.4% Armenian + 11.6% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.21
11 93.7% Armenian + 6.3% Spanish_Valencia @ 4.23
12 93.5% Armenian + 6.5% Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.23
13 87.7% Armenian + 12.3% Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.24
14 94.2% Armenian + 5.8% Spanish_Aragon @ 4.26
15 88.9% Armenian + 11.1% Ashkenazi @ 4.27
16 83% Armenian + 17% Cyprian @ 4.27
17 56.1% Cyprian + 43.9% Abhkasian @ 4.28
18 93.8% Armenian + 6.2% Spanish_Murcia @ 4.29
19 94% Armenian + 6% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.3
20 94.4% Armenian + 5.6% Southwest_French @ 4.3

east-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Armenian @ 5.987854
2 Georgian_Jewish @ 9.010170
3 Assyrian @ 9.948239
4 Turkish @ 12.167868
5 Kurdish_Jewish @ 13.961737
6 Azeri @ 14.695598
7 Kurdish @ 14.854095
8 Iranian_Jewish @ 14.978125
9 Lebanese_Muslim @ 16.519674
10 Iranian @ 18.007084
11 Cyprian @ 18.425819
12 Syrian @ 19.412437
13 Lebanese_Druze @ 21.660048
14 Lebanese_Christian @ 22.048283
15 Georgian @ 22.077065
16 Abhkasian @ 23.389252
17 Samaritan @ 23.720896
18 Kumyk @ 23.862976
19 Jordanian @ 24.175854
20 Adygei @ 25.686251

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Abhkasian +50% Cyprian @ 5.463690


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Armenian +25% Cyprian +25% Georgian @ 4.985670


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Abhkasian + Armenian + Armenian + Italian_Jewish @ 4.723955
2 Abhkasian + Armenian + Cyprian + Cyprian @ 4.984016
3 Armenian + Armenian + Cyprian + Georgian @ 4.985670
4 Armenian + Armenian + Armenian + Cyprian @ 5.061242
5 Abhkasian + Armenian + Armenian + Cyprian @ 5.075758
6 Abhkasian + Armenian + Assyrian + Cyprian @ 5.090988
7 Abhkasian + Armenian + Assyrian + Italian_Jewish @ 5.101607
8 Abhkasian + Algerian_Jewish + Armenian + Armenian @ 5.103332
9 Abhkasian + Armenian + Armenian + Tunisian_Jewish @ 5.109275
10 Armenian + Assyrian + Cyprian + Georgian @ 5.123168
11 Armenian + Armenian + Georgian + Italian_Jewish @ 5.168855
12 Abhkasian + Armenian + Georgian_Jewish + Italian_Jewish @ 5.169093
13 Abhkasian + Abhkasian + Italian_Jewish + Lebanese_Christian @ 5.183352
14 Abhkasian + Armenian + Armenian + Sephardic_Jewish @ 5.190670
15 Abhkasian + Abhkasian + Italian_Jewish + Lebanese_Druze @ 5.296501
16 Abhkasian + Cyprian + Georgian + Lebanese_Druze @ 5.358084
17 Abhkasian + Abhkasian + Cyprian + Lebanese_Druze @ 5.363087
18 Abhkasian + Armenian + Assyrian + Sephardic_Jewish @ 5.364655
19 Armenian + Armenian + Georgian + Tunisian_Jewish @ 5.408581
20 Abhkasian + Armenian + Armenian + Libyan_Jewish @ 5.418462

Mestace
09-18-2015, 06:10 PM
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 40.79
2 West_Med 23.73
3 Baltic 20.31
4 East_Med 8.17
5 West_Asian 5.49
6 Red_Sea 0.96
7 East_Asian 0.38
8 Siberian 0.18


Using 1 population approximation:
1 French @ 6.233057
2 South_Dutch @ 9.196218
3 West_German @ 9.694644
4 Spanish_Cataluna @ 10.166491
5 Southwest_French @ 10.635451
6 Spanish_Galicia @ 11.049023
7 Spanish_Cantabria @ 11.470937
8 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 11.649289
9 Portuguese @ 11.798075
10 Spanish_Valencia @ 13.038110
11 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 13.210588
12 Spanish_Extremadura @ 13.406804
13 Spanish_Murcia @ 13.636230
14 Austrian @ 13.859152
15 Southeast_English @ 14.551850
16 Spanish_Andalucia @ 14.838248
17 Spanish_Aragon @ 15.041942
18 Southwest_English @ 15.308091
19 East_German @ 15.576905
20 Orcadian @ 16.896818



Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Austrian +50% Southwest_French @ 2.629015


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% French_Basque +25% Romanian +25% South_Polish @ 1.994555


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Austrian + Irish + Irish + Sardinian @ 1.551011
2 Austrian + Irish + Orcadian + Sardinian @ 1.566363
3 East_German + Irish + Sardinian + Southwest_English @ 1.574659
4 Austrian + Norwegian + Sardinian + Southwest_English @ 1.575370
5 Austrian + Irish + Sardinian + Southwest_English @ 1.607160
6 Austrian + North_Dutch + Sardinian + Southwest_English @ 1.637123
7 Austrian + Croatian + French_Basque + Spanish_Aragon @ 1.679932
8 East_German + North_Dutch + Sardinian + Southwest_English @ 1.708470
9 Austrian + Irish + North_Dutch + Sardinian @ 1.724997
10 Austrian + French_Basque + Hungarian + Southwest_French @ 1.727880
11 Austrian + Irish + Sardinian + West_Scottish @ 1.743108
12 East_German + Irish + Irish + Sardinian @ 1.760855
13 Austrian + French_Basque + Hungarian + Spanish_Cantabria @ 1.766176
14 Austrian + Orcadian + Sardinian + Southwest_English @ 1.768714
15 Austrian + Orcadian + Sardinian + West_Scottish @ 1.769260
16 East_German + Orcadian + Sardinian + Southwest_English @ 1.777788
17 Austrian + Orcadian + Orcadian + Sardinian @ 1.788016
18 East_German + Irish + Orcadian + Sardinian @ 1.792544
19 East_German + Irish + Sardinian + Southeast_English @ 1.819713
20 East_German + Sardinian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 1.824316

Mestace
09-21-2015, 09:39 PM
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 40.79
2 West_Med 23.73
3 Baltic 20.31
4 East_Med 8.17
5 West_Asian 5.49
6 Red_Sea 0.96
7 East_Asian 0.38
8 Siberian 0.18


1 French @ 6.233057
2 South_Dutch @ 9.196218
3 West_German @ 9.694644
4 Spanish_Cataluna @ 10.166491
5 Southwest_French @ 10.635451
6 Spanish_Galicia @ 11.049023
7 Spanish_Cantabria @ 11.470937
8 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 11.649289
9 Portuguese @ 11.798075
10 Spanish_Valencia @ 13.038110
11 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 13.210588
12 Spanish_Extremadura @ 13.406804
13 Spanish_Murcia @ 13.636230
14 Austrian @ 13.859152
15 Southeast_English @ 14.551850
16 Spanish_Andalucia @ 14.838248
17 Spanish_Aragon @ 15.041942
18 Southwest_English @ 15.308091
19 East_German @ 15.576905
20 Orcadian @ 16.896818



Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Austrian +50% Southwest_French @ 2.629015


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% French_Basque +25% Romanian +25% South_Polish @ 1.994555


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Austrian + Irish + Irish + Sardinian @ 1.551011
2 Austrian + Irish + Orcadian + Sardinian @ 1.566363
3 East_German + Irish + Sardinian + Southwest_English @ 1.574659
4 Austrian + Norwegian + Sardinian + Southwest_English @ 1.575370
5 Austrian + Irish + Sardinian + Southwest_English @ 1.607160
6 Austrian + North_Dutch + Sardinian + Southwest_English @ 1.637123
7 Austrian + Croatian + French_Basque + Spanish_Aragon @ 1.679932
8 East_German + North_Dutch + Sardinian + Southwest_English @ 1.708470
9 Austrian + Irish + North_Dutch + Sardinian @ 1.724997
10 Austrian + French_Basque + Hungarian + Southwest_French @ 1.727880
11 Austrian + Irish + Sardinian + West_Scottish @ 1.743108
12 East_German + Irish + Irish + Sardinian @ 1.760855
13 Austrian + French_Basque + Hungarian + Spanish_Cantabria @ 1.766176
14 Austrian + Orcadian + Sardinian + Southwest_English @ 1.768714
15 Austrian + Orcadian + Sardinian + West_Scottish @ 1.769260
16 East_German + Orcadian + Sardinian + Southwest_English @ 1.777788
17 Austrian + Orcadian + Orcadian + Sardinian @ 1.788016
18 East_German + Irish + Orcadian + Sardinian @ 1.792544
19 East_German + Irish + Sardinian + Southeast_English @ 1.819713
20 East_German + Sardinian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 1.824316

Adding my mother. One more French result doesn't hurt around here i guess

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 43.51
2 West_Med 22.08
3 Baltic 20.48
4 West_Asian 7.01
5 East_Med 5.86
6 Siberian 1.06


1 French 6.3
2 South_Dutch 6.43
3 West_German 7.42
4 Southeast_English 10.24
5 Southwest_English 10.46
6 Spanish_Cataluna 11.14
7 Southwest_French 11.42
8 Orcadian 11.99
9 Spanish_Cantabria 12.25
10 Austrian 12.35
11 Spanish_Galicia 12.53
12 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 12.64
13 Irish 12.75
14 North_German 12.88
15 Portuguese 13.08
16 West_Scottish 13.1
17 North_Dutch 13.11
18 Danish 13.46
19 East_German 13.65
20 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 13.81


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% North_German +50% Southwest_French @ 3.949649


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% Sardinian +25% Swedish @ 3.190623


4pop & Mix mode

1 French_Basque + Moldavian + South_Dutch + Southwest_English @ 2.937099
2 French + French_Basque + Irish + Moldavian @ 2.995692
3 French_Basque + Moldavian + Southwest_English + West_German @ 3.037678
4 French + French_Basque + Moldavian + West_Scottish @ 3.092608
5 French + French_Basque + Moldavian + Southwest_English @ 3.097465
6 French + French_Basque + Moldavian + Orcadian @ 3.158487
7 French_Basque + Irish + Spanish_Andalucia + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.167924
8 French_Basque + Spanish_Andalucia + Ukrainian_Belgorod + West_Scottish @ 3.168785
9 French_Basque + Irish + South_Polish + Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.170116
10 Irish + Irish + Sardinian + Swedish @ 3.190623
11 Irish + North_German + Norwegian + Sardinian @ 3.253275
12 French_Basque + Irish + Spanish_Andalucia + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.261350
13 French_Basque + Southwest_English + Spanish_Andalucia + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.269376
14 Croatian + French + French_Basque + Southwest_English @ 3.279952
15 Croatian + French + French_Basque + Irish @ 3.287534
16 French_Basque + Moldavian + South_Dutch + Southeast_English @ 3.288266
17 French_Basque + Moldavian + Norwegian + Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.292524
18 French_Basque + Irish + Spanish_Andalucia + Ukrainian @ 3.298562
19 French_Basque + Moldavian + Norwegian + Southwest_French @ 3.302786
20 French_Basque + North_Dutch + South_Polish + Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.304618



# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 62.8% Austrian + 37.2% French_Basque @ 2.7
2 72.5% Norwegian + 27.5% Sardinian @ 3.19
3 75.6% North_Dutch + 24.4% Sardinian @ 3.28
4 76.2% Irish + 23.8% Sardinian @ 3.44
5 53.3% Southwest_French + 46.7% North_German @ 3.44
6 55.2% Hungarian + 44.8% French_Basque @ 3.49
7 77.4% Orcadian + 22.6% Sardinian @ 3.51
8 60.5% East_German + 39.5% French_Basque @ 3.52
9 67.1% South_Dutch + 32.9% Southwest_French @ 3.65
10 75.2% Danish + 24.8% Sardinian @ 3.68
11 63% West_German + 37% Southwest_French @ 3.94
12 76.3% West_German + 23.7% French_Basque @ 4
13 59.4% Southwest_French + 40.6% Swedish @ 4.02
14 76.3% North_German + 23.7% Sardinian @ 4.12
15 51.4% Spanish_Cantabria + 48.6% North_German @ 4.14
16 76% West_Scottish + 24% Sardinian @ 4.14
17 80.4% South_Dutch + 19.6% French_Basque @ 4.18
18 70.3% South_Dutch + 29.7% Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.21
19 89% South_Dutch + 11% Sardinian @ 4.24
20 53.9% Southwest_French + 46.1% North_Dutch @ 4.24

Sikeliot
09-22-2015, 05:29 AM
My mother's brother's results: Pontic Greek.


Pontic Greeks are clearly Hellenized Caucasian people. Probably Colchians.

crossover
09-22-2015, 03:29 PM
can't remember if i posted in this thread before but here's my aunt's results

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Amerindian 34.27
2 North_Atlantic 20.51
3 West_Med 16.21
4 East_Med 8.78
5 Baltic 5.72
6 Sub-Saharan 4.70
7 West_Asian 3.76
8 Red_Sea 2.63
9 East_Asian 2.41


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 North_Italian @ 39.734451
2 Tuscan @ 40.007156
3 Spanish_Extremadura @ 40.300930
4 Greek_Thessaly @ 40.421318
5 Portuguese @ 40.466568
6 Spanish_Galicia @ 40.848339
7 Romanian @ 40.875725
8 Spanish_Murcia @ 41.069649
9 West_Sicilian @ 41.081234
10 Bulgarian @ 41.187836
11 Italian_Abruzzo @ 41.235180
12 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 41.676476
13 Spanish_Andalucia @ 41.736313
14 Spanish_Valencia @ 42.050652
15 Spanish_Cataluna @ 42.175671
16 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 42.224335
17 Serbian @ 42.265266
18 Central_Greek @ 42.473610
19 East_Sicilian @ 42.493515
20 French @ 42.628223

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Mayan +50% Spanish_Andalucia @ 10.341732


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Mayan +25% North_Italian +25% Spanish_Cataluna @ 10.114519


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 French_Basque + Mayan + North_Amerindian + West_Sicilian @ 9.461944
2 French_Basque + Italian_Abruzzo + Mayan + North_Amerindian @ 9.513573
3 French_Basque + Mayan + North_Amerindian + Tuscan @ 9.558968
4 Mayan + North_Amerindian + North_Italian + Spanish_Aragon @ 9.600004
5 Mayan + North_Amerindian + North_Italian + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 9.616048
6 Mayan + North_Amerindian + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Extremadura @ 9.624003
7 East_Sicilian + French_Basque + Mayan + North_Amerindian @ 9.640882
8 Mayan + North_Amerindian + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Extremadura @ 9.647917
9 Mayan + North_Amerindian + North_Italian + Spanish_Cataluna @ 9.648688
10 Mayan + North_Amerindian + North_Italian + Spanish_Cantabria @ 9.657845
11 Mayan + North_Amerindian + North_Italian + Spanish_Andalucia @ 9.664345
12 Mayan + North_Amerindian + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Valencia @ 9.668673
13 Mayan + North_Amerindian + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Extremadura @ 9.668797
14 Mayan + North_Amerindian + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Cataluna @ 9.669635
15 Mayan + North_Amerindian + North_Italian + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 9.672133
16 Mayan + North_Amerindian + North_Italian + Spanish_Valencia @ 9.685262
17 Central_Greek + French_Basque + Mayan + North_Amerindian @ 9.691827
18 Mayan + North_Amerindian + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Andalucia @ 9.696001
19 Mayan + North_Amerindian + North_Italian + Spanish_Extremadura @ 9.702765
20 Mayan + North_Amerindian + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Valencia @ 9.705393

Caspian
09-22-2015, 05:15 PM
Caspian's results.

Population
North_Atlantic 4.99%
Baltic 1.71%
West_Med 11.27%
West_Asian 33.85%
East_Med 26.52%
Red_Sea 5.09%
South_Asian 4.61%
East_Asian 5.46%
Siberian 5.71%
Amerindian 0.69%
Oceanian 0.11%
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -


# Population (source) Distance
1 Turkish 5.96
2 Azeri 7.11
3 Kurdish 11.15
4 Armenian 11.73
5 Iranian 12.65
6 Georgian_Jewish 12.84
7 Turkmen 13.62
8 Assyrian 14.11
9 Kumyk 15.26
10 Kurdish_Jewish 16.82
11 Iranian_Jewish 16.9
12 Balkar 17.28
13 Lebanese_Muslim 17.92
14 Adygei 18.34
15 Ossetian 18.38
16 Georgian 18.46
17 Syrian 18.76
18 Kabardin 19.09
19 Abhkasian 19.78
20 North_Ossetian 19.88

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 75.9% Armenian + 24.1% Uygur @ 2.6
2 73.4% Armenian + 26.6% Aghan_Hazara @ 2.68
3 75.9% Armenian + 24.1% Hazara @ 2.82
4 80.8% Armenian + 19.2% Kazakh @ 3.05
5 81.1% Armenian + 18.9% Kirgiz @ 3.13
6 74.2% Armenian + 25.8% Uzbeki @ 3.2
7 73.4% Armenian + 26.6% Afghan_Turkmen @ 3.86
8 84.6% Armenian + 15.4% Mongolian @ 4.08
9 84.1% Armenian + 15.9% Altaian @ 4.25
10 83.5% Armenian + 16.5% Hakas @ 4.52
11 83% Armenian + 17% Shors @ 4.63
12 66.3% Armenian + 33.7% Nogay @ 4.7
13 90.9% Turkish + 9.1% Hazara @ 4.77
14 87.3% Armenian + 12.7% Hezhen @ 4.82
15 78.4% Turkish + 21.6% Turkmen @ 4.82
16 72.4% Georgian_Jewish + 27.6% Aghan_Hazara @ 4.83
17 86.1% Armenian + 13.9% Tuvinian @ 4.85
18 90.1% Turkish + 9.9% Aghan_Hazara @ 4.87
19 95.5% Turkish + 4.5% Xibo @ 4.88
20 95.6% Turkish + 4.4% Hezhen @ 4.89

Oracle-4
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Armenian +50% Turkmen @ 5.826810


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Armenian +25% Armenian +25% Uygur @ 2.859232


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Abhkasian + Aghan_Hazara + Armenian + Cyprian @ 2.670718
2 Aghan_Hazara + Armenian + Cyprian + Georgian @ 2.732846
3 Aghan_Hazara + Armenian + Georgian + Lebanese_Christian @ 2.816912
4 Abhkasian + Aghan_Hazara + Armenian + Samaritan @ 2.831298
5 Aghan_Hazara + Armenian + Georgian + Samaritan @ 2.831918
6 Armenian + Armenian + Armenian + Uygur @ 2.859232
7 Abhkasian + Aghan_Hazara + Armenian + Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.013598
8 Abhkasian + Aghan_Hazara + Armenian + Lebanese_Christian @ 3.024556
9 Aghan_Hazara + Armenian + Armenian + Armenian @ 3.049381
10 Aghan_Hazara + Armenian + Armenian + Turkish @ 3.054419
11 Abhkasian + Aghan_Hazara + Assyrian + Cyprian @ 3.097785
12 Armenian + Armenian + Armenian + Hazara @ 3.184999
13 Abhkasian + Aghan_Hazara + Cyprian + Georgian_Jewish @ 3.193106
14 Aghan_Hazara + Armenian + Lebanese_Christian + Ossetian @ 3.228611
15 Abhkasian + Aghan_Hazara + Armenian + Libyan_Jewish @ 3.237271
16 Aghan_Hazara + Armenian + Georgian + Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.278259
17 Abhkasian + Aghan_Hazara + Armenian + Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.340681
18 Armenian + Cyprian + Georgian + Hazara @ 3.344765
19 Aghan_Hazara + Assyrian + Cyprian + Georgian @ 3.350113
20 Abhkasian + Aghan_Hazara + Cyprian + Kurdish_Jewish @ 3.364362

icebreaker
09-22-2015, 06:08 PM
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 32.57
2 East_Med 27.84
3 West_Med 9.77
4 North_Atlantic 5.96
5 Baltic 5.38
6 South_Asian 5.01
7 Siberian 4.60
8 Red_Sea 4.14
9 East_Asian 2.57
10 Amerindian 1.02

Oracle-4
Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Turkish @ 4.074495
2 Azeri @ 4.903208
3 Kurdish @ 10.764047
4 Iranian @ 11.929364
5 Armenian @ 12.643173
6 Georgian_Jewish @ 13.033542
7 Assyrian @ 14.636601
8 Turkmen @ 14.689995
9 Kumyk @ 15.589459
10 Iranian_Jewish @ 17.602337
11 Kurdish_Jewish @ 18.002977
12 Lebanese_Muslim @ 18.691294
13 Syrian @ 19.733351
14 Balkar @ 19.761986
15 Adygei @ 19.970678
16 Kabardin @ 21.241938
17 Georgian @ 21.401588
18 Ossetian @ 21.869299
19 Cyprian @ 22.272341
20 North_Ossetian @ 22.497620

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Azeri +50% Turkish @ 2.565924


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Azeri +25% Turkish +25% Turkish @ 2.565924


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Cyprian + Kurdish + Kurdish + Nogay @ 1.427830
2 Balkar + Lebanese_Christian + Turkish + Turkmen @ 1.526705
3 Balkar + Lebanese_Druze + Turkish + Turkmen @ 1.672215
4 Adygei + Lebanese_Christian + Turkish + Turkmen @ 1.703888
5 Azeri + Cyprian + Kurdish + Nogay @ 1.728071
6 Kabardin + Lebanese_Christian + Turkish + Turkmen @ 1.740571
7 Lebanese_Christian + North_Ossetian + Turkish + Turkmen @ 1.770200
8 Assyrian + Cyprian + Kabardin + Turkmen @ 1.794469
9 Armenian + Cyprian + Kumyk + Turkmen @ 1.888887
10 Cyprian + Iranian + Kurdish + Nogay @ 1.891724
11 Assyrian + Balkar + Cyprian + Turkmen @ 1.937663
12 Georgian_Jewish + Turkish + Turkish + Turkmen @ 1.952445
13 North_Ossetian + Samaritan + Turkish + Turkmen @ 1.955623
14 Azeri + Cyprian + Kumyk + Turkmen @ 1.967255
15 Adygei + Samaritan + Turkish + Turkmen @ 1.980618
16 Adygei + Cyprian + Turkish + Turkmen @ 1.986265
17 Kabardin + Lebanese_Druze + Turkish + Turkmen @ 1.998432
18 Lebanese_Christian + Ossetian + Turkish + Turkmen @ 2.034633
19 Balkar + Samaritan + Turkish + Turkmen @ 2.036093
20 Abhkasian + Algerian_Jewish + Azeri + Turkmen @ 2.053364

Asimakidis
09-23-2015, 06:50 AM
Pontic Greeks are clearly Hellenized Caucasian people. Probably Colchians.

It is a reasonable conclusion. But it seems that the calculators always match them with the Armenian people. One other thing I thought about, was that even though the Pontic Greek people might have been Hellenized, why aren't there any calculators with them in their database. It was a pretty big population and have probably a distinct genetic profile when comparing to other Hellenized/Greek populations.

Shaikorth
09-24-2015, 08:13 AM
It is a reasonable conclusion. But it seems that the calculators always match them with the Armenian people. One other thing I thought about, was that even though the Pontic Greek people might have been Hellenized, why aren't there any calculators with them in their database. It was a pretty big population and have probably a distinct genetic profile when comparing to other Hellenized/Greek populations.

There hasn't been any big recent genetic studies for Pontic Greeks, meaning no public dataset (not that publicity of the data would be guaranteed even if there was a study). The samples would have to come from Pontic Greeks who have done a 23andMe/FtDNA test, and I suppose not enough of them are interested or know about these projects.

Sangarius
09-24-2015, 08:28 AM
There hasn't been any big recent genetic studies for Pontic Greeks, meaning no public dataset (not that publicity of the data would be guaranteed even if there was a study). The samples would have to come from Pontic Greeks who have done a 23andMe/FtDNA test, and I suppose not enough of them are interested or know about these projects.

How many samples would be required to be included in an Admixture run? IIRC five is enough? And for Oracle we don't even need raw data? I certainly can find enough gedmatch IDs of Pontic Greeks.

Shaikorth
09-24-2015, 08:32 AM
How many samples would be required to be included in an Admixture run? IIRC five is enough? And for Oracle we don't even need raw data? I certainly can find enough gedmatch IDs of Pontic Greeks.

Five or even three would be enough if they are representative, though it's safest to find a bigger group first and then pick the ones that are most typical from that. Then it's just a matter of averaging them, and adding that to something like Eurogenes K15 sheet to run in the Oracle-4 utility.

C J Wyatt III
09-26-2015, 06:37 PM
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 32.57
2 East_Med 27.84
3 West_Med 9.77
4 North_Atlantic 5.96
5 Baltic 5.38
6 South_Asian 5.01
7 Siberian 4.60
8 Red_Sea 4.14
9 East_Asian 2.57
10 Amerindian 1.02



Hi icebreaker,

Any thoughts are your Amerindian component? Also, I am curious how far back you can trace your K1a19 maternal line with confidence?

Thanks,

Jack Wyatt

xlockx
09-27-2015, 07:37 PM
Admix Results (sorted):


# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 46.62
2 Baltic 20.96
3 West_Med 17.11
4 West_Asian 9.32
5 South_Asian 2.51
6 East_Med 1.91

Using 1 population approximation:
1 South_Dutch @ 7.310068
2 Southwest_English @ 7.611914
3 Southeast_English @ 8.136811
4 West_German @ 8.552582
5 Irish @ 8.645767
6 Orcadian @ 8.751227
7 West_Scottish @ 9.403445
8 North_Dutch @ 9.939361
9 North_German @ 9.984871
10 Danish @ 10.259592
11 French @ 11.543912
12 Norwegian @ 12.238973
13 Swedish @ 13.774067
14 Austrian @ 14.973579
15 East_German @ 15.845387
16 Spanish_Cataluna @ 18.756468
17 Southwest_French @ 19.296125
18 North_Swedish @ 19.676283
19 Spanish_Cantabria @ 19.928360
20 Spanish_Galicia @ 20.108381

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% South_Dutch +50% Southwest_English @ 5.983755


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% North_German +25% Spanish_Andalucia @ 5.361444


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 French_Basque + Irish + Irish + Moldavian @ 5.175165
2 French_Basque + North_German + North_German + North_German @ 5.180192
3 French_Basque + Irish + Moldavian + West_Scottish @ 5.263132
4 Austrian + French_Basque + Irish + North_German @ 5.278602
5 French_Basque + Hungarian + Irish + Irish @ 5.297073
6 Irish + Irish + North_German + Spanish_Andalucia @ 5.361444
7 East_German + French_Basque + Irish + North_German @ 5.379191
8 French_Basque + Moldavian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.381851
9 Croatian + French_Basque + Irish + Irish @ 5.416380
10 Irish + Irish + North_German + Southwest_French @ 5.421095
11 Irish + Irish + North_German + Spanish_Cantabria @ 5.430626
12 French_Basque + North_German + North_German + West_German @ 5.435122
13 Austrian + French_Basque + North_German + West_Scottish @ 5.468472
14 French_Basque + Hungarian + Irish + North_German @ 5.474805
15 Irish + Irish + North_German + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 5.495704
16 Irish + Irish + Irish + Spanish_Andalucia @ 5.497198
17 French_Basque + Hungarian + Irish + West_Scottish @ 5.504897
18 Irish + Irish + Irish + North_Italian @ 5.506088
19 Croatian + French_Basque + Irish + West_Scottish @ 5.515306
20 Irish + Irish + Spanish_Andalucia + Swedish @ 5.536010

cybele
09-28-2015, 05:19 AM
Always with the secondary Caucasus >_<

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 49.71
2 Baltic 24.13
3 West_Med 12.03
4 West_Asian 9.05
5 East_Med 1.69
6 Amerindian 1.18
7 Siberian 0.81
8 Northeast_African 0.8
9 South_Asian 0.3
10 Oceanian 0.26
11 Red_Sea 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Irish 3.56
2 North_Dutch 4.08
3 Orcadian 4.08
4 West_Scottish 4.55
5 Danish 4.63
6 North_German 5.12
7 Southeast_English 5.52
8 Norwegian 5.56
9 Southwest_English 5.63
10 Swedish 7.64
11 South_Dutch 8.26
12 West_German 8.98
13 Austrian 13.67
14 North_Swedish 13.74
15 French 13.93
16 East_German 14.05
17 Hungarian 18.1
18 Spanish_Cataluna 21.13
19 Southwest_Finnish 21.56
20 Southwest_French 22.2

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 94.4% Irish + 5.6% North_Ossetian @ 1.65
2 94.1% Irish + 5.9% Kabardin @ 1.66
3 94% Irish + 6% Chechen @ 1.68
4 94.3% Irish + 5.7% Balkar @ 1.7
5 94.1% Irish + 5.9% Lezgin @ 1.73
6 93.9% Irish + 6.1% Tabassaran @ 1.74
7 94.5% Irish + 5.5% Adygei @ 1.76
8 94.6% Irish + 5.4% Ossetian @ 1.8
9 94.3% Irish + 5.7% Kumyk @ 1.87
10 93.8% Irish + 6.2% Nogay @ 1.92
11 95.4% Irish + 4.6% Abhkasian @ 1.92
12 95.2% Irish + 4.8% Georgian @ 1.96
13 92.5% West_Scottish + 7.5% Chechen @ 2.16
14 92.7% West_Scottish + 7.3% Kabardin @ 2.21
15 93.1% West_Scottish + 6.9% North_Ossetian @ 2.22
16 92.3% West_Scottish + 7.7% Tabassaran @ 2.24
17 92.6% West_Scottish + 7.4% Lezgin @ 2.24
18 94.5% Irish + 5.5% Tadjik @ 2.29
19 94.9% Irish + 5.1% Turkmen @ 2.3
20 93.4% Orcadian + 6.6% Tabassaran @ 2.3

GMan71
09-28-2015, 12:10 PM
Admix Results (sorted):


# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 44.76
2 Baltic 28.98
3 West_Med 12.90
4 East_Med 4.00
5 West_Asian 3.67
6 Siberian 1.61
7 Red_Sea 1.52
8 South_Asian 1.36


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 North_German @ 5.429217
2 Swedish @ 6.617147
3 Danish @ 6.898508
4 North_Dutch @ 7.135718
5 Norwegian @ 7.880429
6 Orcadian @ 8.344659
7 South_Dutch @ 8.464287
8 Southeast_English @ 8.563524
9 West_German @ 9.042517
10 East_German @ 9.088527
11 Austrian @ 9.689084
12 North_Swedish @ 9.791130
13 Irish @ 9.876067
14 Southwest_English @ 10.524723
15 West_Scottish @ 10.650536
16 Hungarian @ 14.639793
17 French @ 15.023333
18 Southwest_Finnish @ 17.528292
19 South_Polish @ 19.694191
20 Croatian @ 20.277573

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% North_Swedish +50% South_Dutch @ 1.890953


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% North_Swedish +25% Norwegian +25% Spanish_Galicia @ 1.050260


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Norwegian + Southwest_Finnish + Spanish_Galicia + Swedish @ 1.005124
2 North_Swedish + North_Swedish + Norwegian + Spanish_Galicia @ 1.050260
3 Estonian + French + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 1.054688
4 Estonian + French + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 1.105337
5 French + Southeast_English + Southwest_Finnish + Swedish @ 1.150402
6 French + Southwest_English + Southwest_Finnish + Swedish @ 1.153788
7 North_Swedish + North_Swedish + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Swedish @ 1.184967
8 Norwegian + Norwegian + Southwest_Finnish + Spanish_Galicia @ 1.189358
9 Estonian + French + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 1.194367
10 North_Swedish + Southwest_Finnish + Spanish_Cataluna + West_Scottish @ 1.194551
11 Estonian + French + Orcadian + Southwest_English @ 1.196467
12 North_Swedish + North_Swedish + Spanish_Cantabria + Swedish @ 1.200154
13 Irish + North_Swedish + Southwest_Finnish + Spanish_Cataluna @ 1.211833
14 Danish + Estonian + French + Southwest_English @ 1.225044
15 North_Swedish + North_Swedish + Spanish_Galicia + Swedish @ 1.233649
16 North_Swedish + North_Swedish + Spanish_Cataluna + Swedish @ 1.237691
17 Estonian + French + North_Dutch + Southwest_English @ 1.254526
18 Norwegian + Southwest_Finnish + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Swedish @ 1.268782
19 Danish + Finnish + French + Southwest_English @ 1.270729
20 North_Swedish + North_Swedish + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Swedish @ 1.273928

Bramoan
10-02-2015, 04:31 AM
South Asian?

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Asian 70.59
2 Oceanian 19.31
3 South_Asian 4.67
4 Baltic 2.18
5 Siberian 1.61


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Malay @ 18.766581
2 Cambodian @ 20.040514
3 Lahu @ 22.489347
4 Vietnamese @ 24.483839
5 Miaozu @ 25.963982
6 Dai @ 26.789558
7 Tujia @ 26.948214
8 She @ 27.319826
9 Tibeto-Burman_Burmese @ 27.349497
10 Yizu @ 28.569384
11 Naxi @ 30.213026
12 Tu @ 34.564262
13 Japanese @ 36.106632
14 Xibo @ 45.236286
15 Hezhen @ 46.803707
16 Uygur @ 57.816334
17 Hazara @ 62.610802
18 Kirgiz @ 63.157017
19 Kazakh @ 64.265762
20 Mongolian @ 64.560776

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Lahu +50% Malay @ 18.707014


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Dai +25% NAN_Melanesian +25% Vietnamese @ 2.741777

BalkanKiwi
10-02-2015, 04:41 AM
Admix Results (sorted):


# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 44.76
2 Baltic 28.98
3 West_Med 12.90
4 East_Med 4.00
5 West_Asian 3.67
6 Siberian 1.61
7 Red_Sea 1.52
8 South_Asian 1.36


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 North_German @ 5.429217
2 Swedish @ 6.617147
3 Danish @ 6.898508
4 North_Dutch @ 7.135718
5 Norwegian @ 7.880429
6 Orcadian @ 8.344659
7 South_Dutch @ 8.464287
8 Southeast_English @ 8.563524
9 West_German @ 9.042517
10 East_German @ 9.088527
11 Austrian @ 9.689084
12 North_Swedish @ 9.791130
13 Irish @ 9.876067
14 Southwest_English @ 10.524723
15 West_Scottish @ 10.650536
16 Hungarian @ 14.639793
17 French @ 15.023333
18 Southwest_Finnish @ 17.528292
19 South_Polish @ 19.694191
20 Croatian @ 20.277573

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% North_Swedish +50% South_Dutch @ 1.890953


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% North_Swedish +25% Norwegian +25% Spanish_Galicia @ 1.050260


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Norwegian + Southwest_Finnish + Spanish_Galicia + Swedish @ 1.005124
2 North_Swedish + North_Swedish + Norwegian + Spanish_Galicia @ 1.050260
3 Estonian + French + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 1.054688
4 Estonian + French + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 1.105337
5 French + Southeast_English + Southwest_Finnish + Swedish @ 1.150402
6 French + Southwest_English + Southwest_Finnish + Swedish @ 1.153788
7 North_Swedish + North_Swedish + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Swedish @ 1.184967
8 Norwegian + Norwegian + Southwest_Finnish + Spanish_Galicia @ 1.189358
9 Estonian + French + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 1.194367
10 North_Swedish + Southwest_Finnish + Spanish_Cataluna + West_Scottish @ 1.194551
11 Estonian + French + Orcadian + Southwest_English @ 1.196467
12 North_Swedish + North_Swedish + Spanish_Cantabria + Swedish @ 1.200154
13 Irish + North_Swedish + Southwest_Finnish + Spanish_Cataluna @ 1.211833
14 Danish + Estonian + French + Southwest_English @ 1.225044
15 North_Swedish + North_Swedish + Spanish_Galicia + Swedish @ 1.233649
16 North_Swedish + North_Swedish + Spanish_Cataluna + Swedish @ 1.237691
17 Estonian + French + North_Dutch + Southwest_English @ 1.254526
18 Norwegian + Southwest_Finnish + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Swedish @ 1.268782
19 Danish + Finnish + French + Southwest_English @ 1.270729
20 North_Swedish + North_Swedish + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Swedish @ 1.273928

Thanks for sharing and welcome! :) Your results seem pretty close to your ancestry.

AnnieD
10-02-2015, 06:49 AM
G'day, Mate! This oracle seems to be a good fit for you with low Fst scores and similarities with the heritage of your country flags. My personal favorite is the N. Swedish / S. Dutch 2-pop mode as a seeming compromise to your predominantly NW Euro but sprinkled with a little NE Euro-Finnish and SW Euro-Spanish AC.

GMan71
10-02-2015, 11:31 AM
G'day, Mate! This oracle seems to be a good fit for you with low Fst scores and similarities with the heritage of your country flags. My personal favorite is the N. Swedish / S. Dutch 2-pop mode as a seeming compromise to your predominantly NW Euro but sprinkled with a little NE Euro-Finnish and SW Euro-Spanish AC.
G'day!
I too thought this a reasonable fit but different calculators can give some quite different results so I'm not sure what it all really means! I have never took the time to look into the background of each test. That said the north swedish allocation correlates highly with both my YHaplogroup subclade matches which are from both swedish and finnish sides of the Gulf of Bothnia plus FTDNA Family Finder matches with Swedish surnames seem to be from there as well. The west med is a bit more confusing for me. Not sure if you have thoughts on it or maybe someone else does but is the west med likely to relate to the Welsh side? My mum was Welsh but how Welsh I'm not sure as her mums side was from Herefordshire in England tho near the Welsh border and her dad is unknown as her mum never said who it was .

Anyway, thanks for the response and also the response from my Kiwi neighbour jtoml4.

XooR
10-09-2015, 05:14 PM
K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Admix Results (sorted):


# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 44.36
2 East_Med 32.94
3 West_Med 12.33
4 Red_Sea 4.39
5 Baltic 3.34
6 North_Atlantic 1.52

BalkanKiwi
10-23-2015, 09:52 AM
South Asian?

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Asian 70.59
2 Oceanian 19.31
3 South_Asian 4.67
4 Baltic 2.18
5 Siberian 1.61


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Malay @ 18.766581
2 Cambodian @ 20.040514
3 Lahu @ 22.489347
4 Vietnamese @ 24.483839
5 Miaozu @ 25.963982
6 Dai @ 26.789558
7 Tujia @ 26.948214
8 She @ 27.319826
9 Tibeto-Burman_Burmese @ 27.349497
10 Yizu @ 28.569384
11 Naxi @ 30.213026
12 Tu @ 34.564262
13 Japanese @ 36.106632
14 Xibo @ 45.236286
15 Hezhen @ 46.803707
16 Uygur @ 57.816334
17 Hazara @ 62.610802
18 Kirgiz @ 63.157017
19 Kazakh @ 64.265762
20 Mongolian @ 64.560776

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Lahu +50% Malay @ 18.707014


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Dai +25% NAN_Melanesian +25% Vietnamese @ 2.741777

New research shows the ancestors of Polynesians probably mixed with South Indians, which is probably reflected by your South Asian :)

Tag Heuer
10-30-2015, 03:33 AM
# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 49.91
2 Baltic 12.6
3 East_Med 12.06
4 North_Atlantic 10.8
5 South_Asian 6.08
6 West_Med 4.07
7 Siberian 1.97
8 Amerindian 1.4

Asimakidis
11-05-2015, 02:16 PM
My maternal grandmother: ANcestry from Gumushane (Pontic Greek):
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 38.64
2 East_Med 36.4
3 West_Med 14.4
4 Red_Sea 4.85
5 North_Atlantic 3.1
6 Baltic 1.72
7 East_Asian 0.66
8 Oceanian 0.14
9 South_Asian 0.09

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Armenian 3.63
2 Georgian_Jewish 6.11
3 Assyrian 7.86
4 Kurdish_Jewish 11.45
5 Turkish 11.74
6 Kurdish 12.03
7 Iranian_Jewish 12.5
8 Azeri 12.87
9 Iranian 14.86
10 Lebanese_Muslim 15.22
11 Cyprian 17.46
12 Syrian 17.63
13 Georgian 17.91
14 Abhkasian 18.84
15 Lebanese_Druze 19.23
16 Lebanese_Christian 19.46
17 Kumyk 20.76
18 Samaritan 21.19
19 Adygei 21.88
20 Jordanian 21.95

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 92.2% Armenian + 7.8% Cyprian @ 3.33
2 94.1% Armenian + 5.9% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.43
3 96.1% Armenian + 3.9% Italian_Jewish @ 3.46
4 95.3% Armenian + 4.7% Samaritan @ 3.48
5 94.8% Armenian + 5.2% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.48
6 96.3% Armenian + 3.7% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.48
7 96.2% Armenian + 3.8% South_Italian @ 3.49
8 96.4% Armenian + 3.6% Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.5
9 98.2% Armenian + 1.8% Sardinian @ 3.5
10 96.4% Armenian + 3.6% Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.51
11 96.5% Armenian + 3.5% Central_Greek @ 3.51
12 96.8% Armenian + 3.2% Ashkenazi @ 3.51
13 96.8% Armenian + 3.2% East_Sicilian @ 3.52
14 96.8% Armenian + 3.2% Libyan_Jewish @ 3.53
15 97.5% Armenian + 2.5% West_Sicilian @ 3.54
16 97.4% Armenian + 2.6% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.55
17 98.1% Armenian + 1.9% Tuscan @ 3.56
18 97.9% Armenian + 2.1% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.56
19 95.6% Armenian + 4.4% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.56
20 98.4% Armenian + 1.6% Bulgarian @ 3.58
-------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Armenian @ 4.072578
2 Georgian_Jewish @ 6.780031
3 Assyrian @ 8.940046
4 Kurdish_Jewish @ 12.962856
5 Turkish @ 13.323843
6 Kurdish @ 13.555641
7 Iranian_Jewish @ 14.171031
8 Azeri @ 14.488779
9 Iranian @ 16.637390
10 Lebanese_Muslim @ 17.380072
11 Syrian @ 19.911228
12 Cyprian @ 20.155968
13 Georgian @ 20.803699
14 Abhkasian @ 21.832911
15 Lebanese_Druze @ 22.257107
16 Lebanese_Christian @ 22.399139
17 Kumyk @ 23.771669
18 Samaritan @ 24.256151
19 Jordanian @ 24.508120
20 Adygei @ 25.217339

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Armenian +50% Armenian @ 4.072578


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Armenian +25% Georgian +25% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.778523


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Abhkasian + Armenian + Armenian + Lebanese_Christian @ 3.592783
2 Armenian + Armenian + Georgian + Lebanese_Christian @ 3.778523
3 Abhkasian + Armenian + Armenian + Cyprian @ 3.902447
4 Abhkasian + Armenian + Assyrian + Cyprian @ 3.921354
5 Abhkasian + Abhkasian + Cyprian + Lebanese_Christian @ 3.983205
6 Abhkasian + Armenian + Armenian + Lebanese_Druze @ 3.993063
7 Abhkasian + Armenian + Armenian + Samaritan @ 4.004556
8 Abhkasian + Armenian + Cyprian + Georgian_Jewish @ 4.031473
9 Armenian + Armenian + Armenian + Armenian @ 4.072578
10 Abhkasian + Abhkasian + Cyprian + Lebanese_Druze @ 4.087269
11 Abhkasian + Abhkasian + Lebanese_Christian + Lebanese_Christian @ 4.087423
12 Armenian + Armenian + Georgian + Lebanese_Druze @ 4.152523
13 Armenian + Armenian + Armenian + Georgian_Jewish @ 4.182583
14 Abhkasian + Abhkasian + Lebanese_Christian + Lebanese_Druze @ 4.185922
15 Armenian + Armenian + Cyprian + Georgian @ 4.273861
16 Abhkasian + Armenian + Georgian_Jewish + Lebanese_Christian @ 4.278533
17 Abhkasian + Armenian + Cyprian + Kurdish_Jewish @ 4.278923
18 Armenian + Armenian + Armenian + Assyrian @ 4.295980
19 Armenian + Armenian + Georgian + Samaritan @ 4.321752
20 Abhkasian + Georgian + Lebanese_Christian + Lebanese_Christian @ 4.347555

Garimund
11-09-2015, 03:50 AM
My K13 results..

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 49.69
2 Baltic 21.30
3 West_Med 15.19
4 West_Asian 4.43
5 East_Med 3.65
6 Red_Sea 2.97


Using 1 population approximation:
1 Southwest_English @ 3.537888
2 Southeast_English @ 4.277340
3 Orcadian @ 5.462505
4 West_Scottish @ 6.004292
5 Irish @ 6.073665
6 South_Dutch @ 6.949430
7 North_Dutch @ 7.202700
8 Danish @ 8.004444
9 West_German @ 8.923720
10 North_German @ 9.017444
11 Norwegian @ 9.825078
12 French @ 11.415176
13 Swedish @ 12.068062
14 Austrian @ 16.194328
15 East_German @ 17.001740
16 North_Swedish @ 18.326874
17 Spanish_Cataluna @ 18.970940
18 Southwest_French @ 19.725058
19 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 19.881838
20 Spanish_Cantabria @ 20.184919

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% South_Dutch +50% Southwest_English @ 3.239726


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% Spanish_Galicia +25% West_Scottish @ 2.178947


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Norwegian + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.005744
2 Norwegian + Spanish_Galicia + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.075296
3 Irish + Norwegian + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + West_Scottish @ 2.101994
4 Spanish_Galicia + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.123050
5 Irish + Spanish_Galicia + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.123335
6 North_Dutch + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.141146
7 North_Dutch + Spanish_Galicia + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.167661
8 Irish + Irish + Spanish_Galicia + West_Scottish @ 2.178947
9 Irish + North_Dutch + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + West_Scottish @ 2.187291
10 Irish + Irish + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + West_Scottish @ 2.190751
11 Norwegian + Southwest_English + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + West_Scottish @ 2.213752
12 Irish + Irish + Irish + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.217030
13 Norwegian + Spanish_Extremadura + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.218325
14 Irish + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.221400
15 Irish + Irish + Norwegian + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.224179
16 Irish + Norwegian + Spanish_Galicia + West_Scottish @ 2.237834
17 Irish + Norwegian + Southwest_English + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.248534
18 French + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.250579
19 Norwegian + Portuguese + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.250674
20 Norwegian + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.252929

icebreaker
11-12-2015, 02:41 AM
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icebreaker
11-12-2015, 02:44 AM
Hi icebreaker,

Any thoughts are your Amerindian component? Also, I am curious how far back you can trace your K1a19 maternal line with confidence?

Thanks,

Jack Wyatt

Hi Jack. I just saw your message.

I think Amerindian is proto-Turkic. My direct maternal lineage is Yörük (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y%C3%B6r%C3%BCks). My maternal grandmother, and her grandparents were all Yörüks from Emirdag(Central Anatolia). They were goat herders. I can't go any further but that's the case with most poeple from anatolia. We don't have church records or similar documents. If there was any recent admixture with other i'd know though. My paternal grandmother has some arab blood which goes a long way back.

I know phenotype is not that relevant but my grandmother has red hair and has blue-green eyes. My paternal grandmother has dark brown hair and dark brown eyes.

I have done mFull Sequence testing for my mtDna. You can check my results on genbank. I'm KJ690071.
http://www.ianlogan.co.uk/sequences_by_group/k1a19_genbank_sequences.htm

Btw, those are my mothers' results. She got, like i expected more Amerindian than i do.


North_Atlantic 8.90%
Baltic 5.10%
West_Med 10.38%
West_Asian 27.67%
East_Med 24.54%
Red_Sea 4.59%
South_Asian 6.30%
East_Asian 4.40%
Siberian 5.81%
Amerindian 1.76%
Oceanian 0.26%
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.30%

gruder
11-13-2015, 01:54 AM
This test, IMHO, is the most accurate for me. My DNA is pretty readable, I say that because on every test I have ever taken there is no unassigned except the 1.4% unassigned on 23andMe which is on conservative mode. I'm assuming Baltic is a default for Northwestern Europeans like myself, and the West Med. Everything looks pretty accurate from what I know about my ancestry including the tiny bit of Amerindian I have.

1 North_Atlantic 51.61
2 Baltic 20.38
3 West_Med 14.26
4 West_Asian 5.67
5 South_Asian 2.07
6 Amerindian 1.78
7 Red_Sea 1.74
8 East_Med 1.25

Viktor Reznov
11-13-2015, 04:38 AM
East_Med 38.24%
West_Med 17.74%
North_Atlantic 15.75%
West_Asian 12.40%
Red_Sea 6.35%
Baltic 5.67%
Siberian 1.37%
Sub-Saharan 0.87%
East_Asian 0.80%
Oceanian 0.67%
Northeast_African 0.15%
Amerindian -
South_Asian -
"East-Med" is basically Canaanite-Aramaic right? And "West Asian" is more or less "Armenian"?

Agamemnon
11-13-2015, 04:46 PM
East_Med 38.24%
West_Med 17.74%
North_Atlantic 15.75%
West_Asian 12.40%
Red_Sea 6.35%
Baltic 5.67%
Siberian 1.37%
Sub-Saharan 0.87%
East_Asian 0.80%
Oceanian 0.67%
Northeast_African 0.15%
Amerindian -
South_Asian -
"East-Med" is basically Canaanite-Aramaic right? And "West Asian" is more or less "Armenian"?

East Med peaks in the Druze, if I'm not mistaken

Sorgun
11-13-2015, 08:09 PM
East_Med 38.24%
West_Med 17.74%
North_Atlantic 15.75%
West_Asian 12.40%
Red_Sea 6.35%
Baltic 5.67%
Siberian 1.37%
Sub-Saharan 0.87%
East_Asian 0.80%
Oceanian 0.67%
Northeast_African 0.15%
Amerindian -
South_Asian -
"East-Med" is basically Canaanite-Aramaic right? And "West Asian" is more or less "Armenian"?

West Asian doesn't peak in Armenians afaik

Macura
11-13-2015, 09:04 PM
East_Med 38.24%
West_Med 17.74%
North_Atlantic 15.75%
West_Asian 12.40%
Red_Sea 6.35%
Baltic 5.67%
Siberian 1.37%
Sub-Saharan 0.87%
East_Asian 0.80%
Oceanian 0.67%
Northeast_African 0.15%
Amerindian -
South_Asian -
"East-Med" is basically Canaanite-Aramaic right? And "West Asian" is more or less "Armenian"?

West Asian is probably Georgia (highest peak) and it's going to Anatolia and Black Sea shores.

Caspian
11-15-2015, 08:34 PM
Caspian's results.

Population
North_Atlantic 4.99%
Baltic 1.71%
West_Med 11.27%
West_Asian 33.85%
East_Med 26.52%
Red_Sea 5.09%
South_Asian 4.61%
East_Asian 5.46%
Siberian 5.71%
Amerindian 0.69%
Oceanian 0.11%
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -


# Population (source) Distance
1 Turkish 5.96
2 Azeri 7.11
3 Kurdish 11.15
4 Armenian 11.73
5 Iranian 12.65
6 Georgian_Jewish 12.84
7 Turkmen 13.62
8 Assyrian 14.11
9 Kumyk 15.26
10 Kurdish_Jewish 16.82
11 Iranian_Jewish 16.9
12 Balkar 17.28
13 Lebanese_Muslim 17.92
14 Adygei 18.34
15 Ossetian 18.38
16 Georgian 18.46
17 Syrian 18.76
18 Kabardin 19.09
19 Abhkasian 19.78
20 North_Ossetian 19.88

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 75.9% Armenian + 24.1% Uygur @ 2.6
2 73.4% Armenian + 26.6% Aghan_Hazara @ 2.68
3 75.9% Armenian + 24.1% Hazara @ 2.82
4 80.8% Armenian + 19.2% Kazakh @ 3.05
5 81.1% Armenian + 18.9% Kirgiz @ 3.13
6 74.2% Armenian + 25.8% Uzbeki @ 3.2
7 73.4% Armenian + 26.6% Afghan_Turkmen @ 3.86
8 84.6% Armenian + 15.4% Mongolian @ 4.08
9 84.1% Armenian + 15.9% Altaian @ 4.25
10 83.5% Armenian + 16.5% Hakas @ 4.52
11 83% Armenian + 17% Shors @ 4.63
12 66.3% Armenian + 33.7% Nogay @ 4.7
13 90.9% Turkish + 9.1% Hazara @ 4.77
14 87.3% Armenian + 12.7% Hezhen @ 4.82
15 78.4% Turkish + 21.6% Turkmen @ 4.82
16 72.4% Georgian_Jewish + 27.6% Aghan_Hazara @ 4.83
17 86.1% Armenian + 13.9% Tuvinian @ 4.85
18 90.1% Turkish + 9.9% Aghan_Hazara @ 4.87
19 95.5% Turkish + 4.5% Xibo @ 4.88
20 95.6% Turkish + 4.4% Hezhen @ 4.89

Oracle-4
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Armenian +50% Turkmen @ 5.826810


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Armenian +25% Armenian +25% Uygur @ 2.859232


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Abhkasian + Aghan_Hazara + Armenian + Cyprian @ 2.670718
2 Aghan_Hazara + Armenian + Cyprian + Georgian @ 2.732846
3 Aghan_Hazara + Armenian + Georgian + Lebanese_Christian @ 2.816912
4 Abhkasian + Aghan_Hazara + Armenian + Samaritan @ 2.831298
5 Aghan_Hazara + Armenian + Georgian + Samaritan @ 2.831918
6 Armenian + Armenian + Armenian + Uygur @ 2.859232
7 Abhkasian + Aghan_Hazara + Armenian + Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.013598
8 Abhkasian + Aghan_Hazara + Armenian + Lebanese_Christian @ 3.024556
9 Aghan_Hazara + Armenian + Armenian + Armenian @ 3.049381
10 Aghan_Hazara + Armenian + Armenian + Turkish @ 3.054419
11 Abhkasian + Aghan_Hazara + Assyrian + Cyprian @ 3.097785
12 Armenian + Armenian + Armenian + Hazara @ 3.184999
13 Abhkasian + Aghan_Hazara + Cyprian + Georgian_Jewish @ 3.193106
14 Aghan_Hazara + Armenian + Lebanese_Christian + Ossetian @ 3.228611
15 Abhkasian + Aghan_Hazara + Armenian + Libyan_Jewish @ 3.237271
16 Aghan_Hazara + Armenian + Georgian + Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.278259
17 Abhkasian + Aghan_Hazara + Armenian + Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.340681
18 Armenian + Cyprian + Georgian + Hazara @ 3.344765
19 Aghan_Hazara + Assyrian + Cyprian + Georgian @ 3.350113
20 Abhkasian + Aghan_Hazara + Cyprian + Kurdish_Jewish @ 3.364362



These are my and my dad's 5th cousin match's results. He is ethnically Tajik and Uzbek from Afghanistan, Mazar-i-Sharif (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazar-i-Sharif)

North_Atlantic 8.32%
Baltic 10.16%
West_Med 1.38%
West_Asian 28.09%
East_Med 10.25%
Red_Sea 3.01%
South_Asian 13.79%
East_Asian 10.60%
Siberian 11.57%
Amerindian 2.55%
Oceanian 0.27%
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Afghan_Tadjik @ 9.551980
2 Tadjik @ 11.406294
3 Turkmen @ 12.593726
4 Nogay @ 13.783856
5 Aghan_Hazara @ 13.986480
6 Uzbeki @ 16.065130
7 Afghan_Turkmen @ 16.211090
8 Hazara @ 19.688381
9 Uygur @ 20.106161
10 Afghan_Pashtun @ 21.021574
11 Kumyk @ 22.924910
12 Kabardin @ 24.444813
13 Balkar @ 24.901707
14 Azeri @ 25.391457
15 Chechen @ 26.034515
16 Tabassaran @ 26.161240
17 Lezgin @ 26.813105
18 Turkish @ 27.256306
19 Adygei @ 27.520578
20 North_Ossetian @ 27.542660

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Tadjik +50% Uzbeki @ 6.163376


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Tadjik +25% Turkmen +25% Uygur @ 3.627780


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Afghan_Pashtun + Azeri + Uygur + Uzbeki @ 3.476074
2 Tadjik + Tadjik + Turkmen + Uygur @ 3.627780
3 Afghan_Pashtun + Aghan_Hazara + Azeri + Uygur @ 3.658056
4 Afghan_Tadjik + Tadjik + Turkmen + Uygur @ 3.766361
5 Afghan_Pashtun + Azeri + Uygur + Uygur @ 3.877053
6 Afghan_Pashtun + Afghan_Turkmen + Azeri + Uygur @ 3.932366
7 Aghan_Hazara + Iranian + Tadjik + Uygur @ 3.933351
8 Afghan_Pashtun + Aghan_Hazara + Turkish + Uygur @ 3.967847
9 Kalash + Turkish + Uygur + Uzbeki @ 3.989675
10 Afghan_Pashtun + Iranian + Uygur + Uygur @ 3.998625
11 Afghan_Pashtun + Kumyk + Uygur + Uzbeki @ 4.067967
12 Afghan_Turkmen + Azeri + Kalash + Uygur @ 4.074248
13 Iranian + Tadjik + Uygur + Uzbeki @ 4.085338
14 Afghan_Turkmen + Kalash + Turkish + Uygur @ 4.093688
15 Afghan_Pashtun + Turkish + Uygur + Uzbeki @ 4.115750
16 Afghan_Pashtun + Iranian + Uygur + Uzbeki @ 4.146387
17 Afghan_Pashtun + Nogay + Turkmen + Uygur @ 4.159442
18 Aghan_Hazara + Azeri + Tadjik + Uygur @ 4.191138
19 Afghan_Pashtun + Kurdish + Uygur + Uygur @ 4.194590
20 Makrani + Tatar + Turkmen + Uygur @ 4.196731

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 66.9% Tadjik + 33.1% Uygur @ 4.85
2 61.7% Tadjik + 38.3% Uzbeki @ 5.31
3 87.1% Tadjik + 12.9% Xibo @ 5.39
4 87.3% Tadjik + 12.7% Hezhen @ 5.4
5 88.2% Tadjik + 11.8% Japanese @ 5.43
6 87.3% Tadjik + 12.7% Tu @ 5.45
7 79.2% Nogay + 20.8% Bangladeshi @ 5.48
8 74% Afghan_Tadjik + 26% Uygur @ 5.48
9 61.8% Aghan_Hazara + 38.2% Kumyk @ 5.58
10 58.4% Tadjik + 41.6% Aghan_Hazara @ 5.59
11 84.4% Nogay + 15.6% Austroasiatic_Ho @ 5.64
12 83.2% Nogay + 16.8% Chenchu @ 5.65
13 88.5% Tadjik + 11.5% Naxi @ 5.71
14 88.6% Tadjik + 11.4% Yizu @ 5.75
15 84.6% Nogay + 15.4% Sakilli @ 5.8
16 65.3% Aghan_Hazara + 34.7% Tabassaran @ 5.83
17 83.4% Nogay + 16.6% Dusadh @ 5.84
18 84.2% Nogay + 15.8% Piramalai @ 5.86
19 65.8% Aghan_Hazara + 34.2% Lezgin @ 5.87
20 67.7% Tadjik + 32.3% Hazara @ 5.88


Our common ancestor may have been a Qizilbash (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qizilbash#Afghanistan) I guess.

Jesse1961
12-08-2015, 02:36 PM
Mine is:

Baltic - 1.26%
West Med - 0.16%
South Asian - 7.12%
East Asian - 80.02%
Siberian - 2.05%
Amerindian - 1.30%
Oceanian - 7.05%
Sub-Saharan - 1.04%

Edward J
12-08-2015, 06:58 PM
# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 33.32
2 Baltic 22.98
3 West_Med 18.56
4 East_Med 14
5 West_Asian 8.25
6 Northeast_African 0.94
7 Red_Sea 0.75
8 Amerindian 0.64
9 East_Asian 0.4
10 South_Asian 0.12
11 Oceanian

Wiborg
12-08-2015, 08:15 PM
Eurogenes K13 4-Ancestors Oracle
K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 36.36
2 North_Atlantic 35.95
3 West_Med 11.49
4 East_Med 7.15
5 West_Asian 5.68
6 Siberian 1.52


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 East_German @ 5.793184
2 Hungarian @ 7.030529
3 Austrian @ 7.748564
4 South_Polish @ 7.987236
5 Croatian @ 9.967662
6 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 10.617990
7 Ukrainian @ 11.139307
8 Polish @ 11.387826
9 North_Swedish @ 11.637248
10 Southwest_Finnish @ 11.749145
11 Moldavian @ 13.528684
12 North_German @ 14.924360
13 Swedish @ 15.036161
14 Russian_Smolensk @ 15.146379
15 Southwest_Russian @ 15.253856
16 Belorussian @ 15.434357
17 Estonian_Polish @ 15.694670
18 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 15.824384
19 West_German @ 16.187687
20 Finnish @ 16.199055

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Belorussian +50% West_German @ 1.496701


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Austrian +25% South_Polish +25% Southwest_Finnish @ 1.440035


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Lithuanian + Romanian + Southeast_English + Southwest_Finnish @ 1.268650
2 Belorussian + Hungarian + South_Polish + Southeast_English @ 1.298460
3 Estonian + Serbian + South_Polish + Southeast_English @ 1.329516
4 Belorussian + North_Dutch + Romanian + Southwest_Finnish @ 1.333663
5 Bulgarian + Lithuanian + Southeast_English + Southwest_Finnish @ 1.354300
6 Estonian + North_Dutch + Serbian + South_Polish @ 1.366771
7 Estonian + Orcadian + Serbian + South_Polish @ 1.376491
8 Bulgarian + Lithuanian + Southwest_English + Southwest_Finnish @ 1.400230
9 Belorussian + Bulgarian + Norwegian + Southwest_Finnish @ 1.400402
10 Russian_Smolensk + Serbian + Southeast_English + Southwest_Finnish @ 1.413259
11 Austrian + Estonian + North_Swedish + Serbian @ 1.425203
12 Belorussian + Bulgarian + North_Dutch + Southwest_Finnish @ 1.428811
13 Belorussian + Serbian + Southeast_English + Southwest_Finnish @ 1.429607
14 Austrian + Austrian + South_Polish + Southwest_Finnish @ 1.440035
15 Estonian_Polish + North_Dutch + Romanian + Southwest_Finnish @ 1.440588
16 Bulgarian + Lithuanian + Southwest_Finnish + West_Scottish @ 1.441428
17 Serbian + Southeast_English + Southwest_Finnish + Southwest_Russian @ 1.444109
18 Estonian_Polish + Serbian + Southeast_English + Southwest_Finnish @ 1.451819
19 Belorussian + Hungarian + Hungarian + Swedish @ 1.467094
20 Estonian_Polish + Hungarian + South_Polish + Southeast_English @ 1.472473

wombatofthenorth
12-09-2015, 05:21 AM
North_Atlantic - 29.95%
Baltic - 52.29%
West_Med - 7.27%
West_Asian - 3.48%
East_Med - 1.32%
Red_Sea - 1.58%
South_Asian - 0.94%
Siberian - 0.16%
Amerindian - 0.65%
Oceanian - 0.96%
Northeast_African - 1.41%

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Lithuanian @ 2.595495
2 Belorussian @ 5.072916
3 Estonian @ 5.450169
4 Estonian_Polish @ 5.524313

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Lithuanian +50% Lithuanian @ 2.595495

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Lithuanian +25% Lithuanian +25% Polish @ 2.179320

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Polish @ 2.179320

I'm very largely Latvian and the next biggest components are probably German and Polish.
I feel like this has one the most accurate Oracles around.

kujira692
12-16-2015, 08:56 PM
Here are my father's (who is largely German/French/British&Irish/Unknown):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 46.96
2 Baltic 21.47
3 West_Med 15.84
4 West_Asian 8.07
5 South_Asian 3.06
6 East_Med 2.81
7 Oceanian 0.65
8 Northeast_African 0.41
9 Amerindian 0.38
10 Sub-Saharan 0.35

ORACLE:
Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Dutch 5.45
2 Southeast_English 5.63
3 Southwest_English 5.64
4 Orcadian 6.46
5 West_German 6.49
6 Irish 6.62
7 West_Scottish 7.2
8 North_Dutch 7.51
9 North_German 7.57
10 Danish 7.62
11 Norwegian 9.72
12 French 9.84
13 Swedish 11.09
14 Austrian 12.53
15 East_German 13.29
16 North_Swedish 16.47
17 Spanish_Cataluna 16.6
18 Hungarian 17.25
19 Southwest_French 17.64
20 Spanish_Galicia 17.9

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 91.8% Southwest_English + 8.2% Kalash @ 2.35
2 90.9% Southwest_English + 9.1% Afghan_Pashtun @ 2.39
3 92% Southwest_English + 8% Pathan @ 2.41
4 92.7% Southwest_English + 7.3% Brahui @ 2.44
5 92.5% Southwest_English + 7.5% Makrani @ 2.45
6 92.6% Southwest_English + 7.4% Balochi @ 2.45
7 92% Southwest_English + 8% Burusho @ 2.48
8 92.7% Southwest_English + 7.3% Sindhi @ 2.61
9 90.9% Southwest_English + 9.1% Afghan_Tadjik @ 2.63
10 90.2% Southwest_English + 9.8% Tadjik @ 2.66
11 92% Southwest_English + 8% Punjabi_Jat @ 2.69
12 90.9% Southwest_English + 9.1% Kabardin @ 2.76
13 91.1% Southwest_English + 8.9% Balkar @ 2.77
14 91.3% Southwest_English + 8.7% Adygei @ 2.82
15 90.8% Southwest_English + 9.2% Kumyk @ 2.83
16 91.5% Southwest_English + 8.5% Ossetian @ 2.86
17 91.5% Southwest_English + 8.5% North_Ossetian @ 2.87
18 90.9% Southwest_English + 9.1% Chechen @ 2.88
19 92.7% Southwest_English + 7.3% Abhkasian @ 2.97
20 92.4% Southwest_English + 7.6% Georgian @ 2.99

ORACLE-4:
Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 South_Dutch @ 6.210874
2 Southeast_English @ 6.457899
3 Southwest_English @ 6.460738
4 Orcadian @ 7.306812
5 Irish @ 7.498202
6 West_German @ 7.503155
7 West_Scottish @ 8.193420
8 North_Dutch @ 8.451496
9 North_German @ 8.467460
10 Danish @ 8.555635
11 Norwegian @ 10.927456
12 French @ 11.259138
13 Swedish @ 12.466676
14 Austrian @ 14.334579
15 East_German @ 15.153581
16 North_Swedish @ 18.457338
17 Spanish_Cataluna @ 18.887089
18 Hungarian @ 19.767019
19 Southwest_French @ 19.818979
20 Spanish_Galicia @ 20.277548

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +50% South_Dutch @ 4.453354


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% North_German +25% Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.134026


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 French_Basque + North_German + North_German + North_German @ 4.017555
2 Irish + Irish + North_German + Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.134026
3 Irish + Irish + Spanish_Andalucia + Swedish @ 4.175802
4 Irish + Irish + North_German + Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.180040
5 Irish + Irish + North_German + Spanish_Cataluna @ 4.217634
6 Irish + North_German + North_German + Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.222353
7 Irish + Irish + North_German + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.245635
8 Irish + Irish + North_German + Spanish_Galicia @ 4.246294
9 Irish + North_German + North_German + Southwest_French @ 4.260890
10 Irish + Irish + North_German + Southwest_French @ 4.268111
11 French + Irish + Irish + South_Dutch @ 4.293646
12 French + Irish + Irish + West_German @ 4.294003
13 Irish + Irish + North_German + Spanish_Extremadura @ 4.301551
14 Danish + Irish + North_German + Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.309934
15 Irish + North_German + Norwegian + Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.339469
16 Irish + South_Dutch + Southwest_English + West_German @ 4.340297
17 North_German + North_German + Spanish_Cantabria + West_Scottish @ 4.353364
18 Irish + North_German + Spanish_Andalucia + West_Scottish @ 4.363277
19 Irish + North_German + North_German + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.366903
20 Danish + Irish + Irish + Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.367782

VelvetNono
01-13-2016, 03:22 PM
My Results:
3/4 Afghan Pashtun and 1/4 Afghan Tajik. (With some Dardic (Pashai) admixture as well)

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 41.47
2 South_Asian 34.24
3 Baltic 12.45
4 East_Med 7.05
5 Amerindian 2.23
6 Siberian 1.27
7 North_Atlantic 1.02


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Pathan @ 7.617270
2 Kalash @ 8.261047
3 Burusho @ 11.723719
4 Afghan_Pashtun @ 12.190724
5 Punjabi_Jat @ 14.390900
6 Sindhi @ 14.683369
7 Balochi @ 16.334127
8 Makrani @ 16.350683
9 Brahui @ 17.099039
10 Afghan_Tadjik @ 22.156181
11 Tadjik @ 22.269550
12 Gujarati @ 29.265856
13 Brahmin_UP @ 29.456800
14 Kshatriya @ 31.231150
15 Turkmen @ 31.339388
16 Tabassaran @ 32.288654
17 Lezgin @ 33.466801
18 Chechen @ 33.538162
19 Kumyk @ 33.905262
20 Kabardin @ 34.565220

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Kalash +50% Pathan @ 6.554171


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Pathan +25% Sindhi +25% Tabassaran @ 6.098583


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Kalash + Makrani + Pathan + Pathan @ 5.508672
2 Makrani + Pathan + Pathan + Pathan @ 5.709164
3 Lezgin + Pathan + Pathan + Sindhi @ 5.736846
4 Balochi + Pathan + Pathan + Pathan @ 5.811754
5 Chechen + Pathan + Pathan + Sindhi @ 5.849546
6 Afghan_Pashtun + Kalash + Pathan + Pathan @ 5.883076
7 Brahui + Pathan + Pathan + Pathan @ 5.905494
8 Afghan_Pashtun + Balochi + Pathan + Pathan @ 5.922884
9 Afghan_Pashtun + Brahui + Pathan + Pathan @ 5.925228
10 Afghan_Pashtun + Makrani + Pathan + Pathan @ 5.979380
11 Abhkasian + Gujarati + Kalash + Pathan @ 5.982282
12 Adygei + Pathan + Pathan + Sindhi @ 6.016564
13 Adygei + Gujarati + Kalash + Pathan @ 6.023510
14 Brahui + Kshatriya + Lezgin + Pathan @ 6.027872
15 Abhkasian + Kalash + Kshatriya + Pathan @ 6.059767
16 Brahui + Gujarati + Lezgin + Pathan @ 6.093740
17 Pathan + Pathan + Sindhi + Tabassaran @ 6.098583
18 Balochi + Kalash + Pathan + Pathan @ 6.120688
19 Balochi + Kshatriya + Lezgin + Pathan @ 6.121768
20 Gujarati + Kalash + North_Ossetian + Pathan @ 6.124817

jesus
01-17-2016, 05:32 AM
Palestinian Kurd from Jerusalem. They don't speak any Kurdish languages/dialects anymore but kept their Kurdish identity. They came with Saladin's army during the 1100s. They were left to garrison cities conquered by Saladin from crusaders.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 34.05
2 West_Asian 29.12
3 Red_Sea 8.77
4 West_Med 8.36
5 South_Asian 6.12
6 Baltic 5.46
7 Northeast_African 3.03
8 Sub-Saharan 2.41
9 Amerindian 1.28
10 North_Atlantic 0.88
11 Oceanian 0.51

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Assyrian 8.65
2 Georgian_Jewish 8.84
3 Iranian_Jewish 8.87
4 Kurdish_Jewish 9.72
5 Azeri 10.23
6 Turkish 10.59
7 Lebanese_Muslim 10.94
8 Iranian 11.04
9 Syrian 11.1
10 Armenian 12.02
11 Kurdish 12.12
12 Jordanian 14.55
13 Cyprian 16.26
14 Lebanese_Druze 16.27
15 Palestinian 16.89
16 Lebanese_Christian 17.06
17 Samaritan 17.58
18 Bedouin 19.03
19 Kumyk 21.06
20 Turkmen 21.44

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 57.5% Iranian + 42.5% Jordanian @ 3.79
2 68.4% Kurdish + 31.6% Egyptian @ 4.31
3 50.2% Iranian + 49.8% Syrian @ 4.35
4 55.1% Kurdish + 44.9% Jordanian @ 4.36
5 70.8% Iranian + 29.2% Egyptian @ 4.41
6 50.3% Lebanese_Muslim + 49.7% Iranian @ 4.58
7 61.8% Iranian + 38.2% Palestinian @ 4.59
8 62.9% Iranian + 37.1% Samaritan @ 4.72
9 62.3% Kurdish + 37.7% Bedouin @ 4.78
10 60.5% Azeri + 39.5% Jordanian @ 4.97


http://www.christians-standing-with-israel.org/map-jerusalem-saladin.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Hattin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_(1187)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayyubid_dynasty

C J Wyatt III
01-17-2016, 07:31 AM
Palestinian Kurd from Jerusalem. They don't speak any Kurdish languages/dialects anymore but kept their Kurdish identity. They came with Saladin's army during the 1100s. They were left to garrison cities conquered by Saladin from crusaders.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 34.05
2 West_Asian 29.12
3 Red_Sea 8.77
4 West_Med 8.36
5 South_Asian 6.12
6 Baltic 5.46
7 Northeast_African 3.03
8 Sub-Saharan 2.41
9 Amerindian 1.28
10 North_Atlantic 0.88
11 Oceanian 0.51


Jesus, any thoughts on where your Amerindian came from? Also Northeast_African and Sub-Saharan?

Thanks,

Jack Wyatt

Dinaek
01-17-2016, 03:58 PM
My Results
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 43.76
2 Baltic 28.01
3 West_Med 12.90
4 East_Med 7.92
5 West_Asian 3.67
6 Red_Sea 1.72


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 North_German @ 6.841927
2 West_German @ 6.877573
3 South_Dutch @ 7.009969
4 Austrian @ 7.931662
5 East_German @ 8.513439
6 Danish @ 8.676497
7 North_Dutch @ 8.945758
8 Southeast_English @ 9.090693
9 Swedish @ 9.699841
10 Orcadian @ 10.239340
11 Norwegian @ 10.444718
12 Southwest_English @ 11.746278
13 Irish @ 11.853931
14 North_Swedish @ 12.371756
15 West_Scottish @ 12.466283
16 Hungarian @ 12.783422
17 French @ 12.876884
18 Croatian @ 19.084358
19 Southwest_Finnish @ 19.211000
20 Serbian @ 19.485580

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% French +50% North_Swedish @ 2.922878


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% North_Dutch +25% North_Italian +25% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.716820


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Belorussian + Danish + North_Dutch + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.367020
2 Belorussian + French + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 2.388480
3 Belorussian + North_Dutch + North_Dutch + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.398169
4 Belorussian + Danish + Danish + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.416310
5 Belorussian + Danish + Norwegian + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.476359
6 Belorussian + Norwegian + Southeast_English + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.493075
7 Belorussian + North_Dutch + Norwegian + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.502240
8 Belorussian + Danish + North_Dutch + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.519346
9 Belorussian + Danish + Danish + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.542057
10 Belorussian + North_Dutch + North_Dutch + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.574440
11 Belorussian + Norwegian + Portuguese + Southeast_English @ 2.576335
12 Belorussian + Danish + Southeast_English + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.580952
13 Belorussian + Norwegian + Southeast_English + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.587659
14 Belorussian + Danish + North_Dutch + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.592262
15 North_Swedish + Serbian + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 2.595729
16 Belorussian + North_Dutch + North_Dutch + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.609158
17 Belorussian + Danish + Orcadian + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.615211
18 North_Italian + North_Swedish + North_Swedish + Southeast_English @ 2.617441
19 Belorussian + North_Dutch + Southeast_English + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.630474
20 Belorussian + Danish + Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish @ 2.633095

My mother's results:
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 48.52
2 Baltic 25.60
3 West_Med 12.27
4 West_Asian 6.95
5 East_Med 4.44
6 Northeast_African 1.07


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 North_Dutch @ 3.211302
2 North_German @ 3.356816
3 Danish @ 3.494692
4 Orcadian @ 4.473360
5 Southeast_English @ 4.602098
6 Irish @ 5.351278
7 Norwegian @ 5.729285
8 West_Scottish @ 6.237383
9 Southwest_English @ 6.413029
10 South_Dutch @ 7.195008
11 Swedish @ 7.360034
12 West_German @ 7.982485
13 Austrian @ 12.988216
14 East_German @ 13.454291
15 North_Swedish @ 13.792909
16 French @ 14.146715
17 Hungarian @ 18.271397
18 Southwest_Finnish @ 22.514660
19 Spanish_Cataluna @ 22.539541
20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 23.843725

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% North_German +50% Southeast_English @ 1.899791


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% North_Dutch +25% North_Dutch +25% West_German @ 1.550887


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 North_Dutch + North_Dutch + North_Dutch + West_German @ 1.550887
2 Irish + North_Dutch + North_German + West_German @ 1.597861
3 Irish + North_German + Norwegian + West_German @ 1.605723
4 North_Dutch + North_Dutch + North_German + South_Dutch @ 1.614837
5 Danish + North_Dutch + North_Dutch + West_German @ 1.625684
6 North_German + Norwegian + Southwest_English + West_German @ 1.630919
7 North_German + Norwegian + West_German + West_Scottish @ 1.658178
8 North_German + Norwegian + Orcadian + West_German @ 1.671977
9 North_Dutch + North_German + Orcadian + West_German @ 1.683230
10 North_Dutch + North_Dutch + North_German + West_German @ 1.691566
11 North_Dutch + North_German + West_German + West_Scottish @ 1.701200
12 Danish + Irish + North_German + West_German @ 1.710168
13 North_Dutch + North_Dutch + Norwegian + West_German @ 1.745595
14 North_Dutch + North_Dutch + North_Dutch + South_Dutch @ 1.751831
15 Danish + North_Dutch + North_German + South_Dutch @ 1.763763
16 Irish + North_Dutch + North_German + South_Dutch @ 1.767505
17 North_German + Norwegian + Southeast_English + West_German @ 1.774431
18 Danish + North_Dutch + North_Dutch + South_Dutch @ 1.777317
19 Danish + North_Dutch + Norwegian + West_German @ 1.791615
20 North_Dutch + North_German + Norwegian + South_Dutch @ 1.793479

yeux
01-17-2016, 04:27 PM
My Results

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 51.41
2 Baltic 22.23
3 West_Med 12.31
4 East_Med 6.98
5 West_Asian 3.94
6 South_Asian 1.61
7 Siberian 0.53
8 Sub-Saharan 0.46
9 Amerindian 0.39
10 Red_Sea 0.15

Oracle

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southeast_English 2.81
2 Orcadian 4.54
3 Southwest_English 4.77
4 West_Scottish 5.16
5 Danish 5.52
6 North_Dutch 5.61
7 Irish 5.62
8 South_Dutch 7.06
9 North_German 7.18
10 Norwegian 7.79
11 West_German 8.13
12 Swedish 10.09
13 French 11.57
14 Austrian 14.61
15 East_German 15.34
16 North_Swedish 15.66
17 Spanish_Cataluna 18.31
18 Hungarian 19
19 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 19.54
20 Southwest_French 20.07

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 98.7% Southeast_English + 1.3% Yemenite_Jewish @ 2.66
2 98.7% Southeast_English + 1.3% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.7
3 98.9% Southeast_English + 1.1% Saudi @ 2.72
4 98.8% Southeast_English + 1.2% Palestinian @ 2.72
5 98.9% Southeast_English + 1.1% Egyptian @ 2.73
6 98.8% Southeast_English + 1.2% Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.74
7 99% Southeast_English + 1% Jordanian @ 2.74
8 98.7% Southeast_English + 1.3% Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.74
9 99% Southeast_English + 1% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.75
10 99% Southeast_English + 1% Iranian_Jewish @ 2.75
11 98.8% Southeast_English + 1.2% Libyan_Jewish @ 2.75
12 98.8% Southeast_English + 1.2% Italian_Jewish @ 2.75
13 99% Southeast_English + 1% Bedouin @ 2.75
14 99.1% Southeast_English + 0.9% Samaritan @ 2.75
15 99.1% Southeast_English + 0.9% Kurdish_Jewish @ 2.76
16 99.1% Southeast_English + 0.9% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.76
17 99.1% Southeast_English + 0.9% Syrian @ 2.76
18 98.8% Southeast_English + 1.2% Ashkenazi @ 2.77
19 99% Southeast_English + 1% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.77
20 99.3% Southeast_English + 0.7% Assyrian @ 2.77


Oracle 4

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Southeast_English @ 3.085014
2 Orcadian @ 5.211368
3 Southwest_English @ 5.409337
4 West_Scottish @ 5.984728
5 Danish @ 6.278318
6 North_Dutch @ 6.384901
7 Irish @ 6.492068
8 South_Dutch @ 8.052698
9 North_German @ 8.187219
10 Norwegian @ 8.882972
11 West_German @ 9.313944
12 Swedish @ 11.456642
13 French @ 13.095893
14 Austrian @ 16.746557
15 East_German @ 17.551416
16 North_Swedish @ 17.676666
17 Spanish_Cataluna @ 20.644526
18 Hungarian @ 21.812841
19 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 21.972418
20 Southwest_French @ 22.438623

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Southeast_English +50% Southeast_English @ 3.085014


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Southeast_English +25% Southeast_English +25% Southeast_English @ 3.085014


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 3.085014
2 Danish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 3.408806
3 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 3.420511
4 Orcadian + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 3.422424
5 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southwest_English @ 3.501848
6 North_Dutch + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 3.546623
7 Irish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 3.639908
8 South_Dutch + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 3.641115
9 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_German + West_Scottish @ 3.676088
10 Danish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southwest_English @ 3.713461
11 South_Dutch + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 3.743583
12 North_German + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 3.800616
13 Danish + French + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 3.807300
14 Orcadian + South_Dutch + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 3.827603
15 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_German @ 3.861039
16 Southeast_English + West_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.863796
17 Orcadian + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southwest_English @ 3.870319
18 Danish + South_Dutch + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 3.884841
19 Danish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 3.900063
20 Orcadian + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_German @ 3.900671

jesus
01-20-2016, 08:29 PM
Jesus, any thoughts on where your Amerindian came from? Also Northeast_African and Sub-Saharan?

Thanks,

Jack Wyatt

Amerindian is not unusual in the ME, most likely came from His Kurdish side. Northeast_African and Sub-Saharan are probably from his Local Palestinian admixture.

Edward J
01-20-2016, 10:11 PM
Father:
K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 44.07
2 Baltic 24.67
3 West_Med 15.57
4 West_Asian 7.00
5 East_Med 5.61
6 Amerindian 1.78


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 South_Dutch @ 4.105193
2 West_German @ 4.311136
3 North_German @ 7.148257
4 Southeast_English @ 7.468214
5 North_Dutch @ 8.628496
6 Danish @ 8.780092
7 Orcadian @ 8.836203
8 Southwest_English @ 9.320843
9 Austrian @ 9.389440
10 Irish @ 9.891083
11 French @ 10.345449
12 East_German @ 10.448842
13 West_Scottish @ 10.765095
14 Norwegian @ 10.801805
15 Swedish @ 11.190858
16 Hungarian @ 14.813472
17 North_Swedish @ 15.817116
18 Spanish_Cataluna @ 18.611832
19 Spanish_Galicia @ 19.813313
20 Southwest_French @ 19.942650

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Austrian +50% Southwest_English @ 2.946440


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% South_Polish +25% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.460568


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Irish + Irish + South_Polish + Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.460568
2 East_German + Southwest_English + West_German + West_German @ 2.473733
3 Irish + Irish + South_Polish + Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.506496
4 East_German + South_Dutch + Southwest_English + West_German @ 2.521031
5 Croatian + French + Irish + Southwest_English @ 2.523468
6 Moldavian + South_Dutch + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.525873
7 Croatian + French + Irish + Irish @ 2.529589
8 Hungarian + Irish + Norwegian + Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.539327
9 East_German + Irish + South_Dutch + West_German @ 2.542751
10 East_German + Irish + West_German + West_German @ 2.547857
11 Bulgarian + Norwegian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.550654
12 Croatian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_German @ 2.551253
13 Croatian + French + Irish + West_Scottish @ 2.554342
14 Austrian + Irish + South_Dutch + West_German @ 2.556094
15 Moldavian + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.567513
16 Irish + Irish + South_Polish + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.578034
17 Bulgarian + Irish + Orcadian + Southwest_English @ 2.582413
18 Irish + Irish + South_Polish + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.585635
19 Moldavian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_German @ 2.593444
20 Croatian + Irish + Irish + Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.594962

C J Wyatt III
01-26-2016, 11:43 AM
Amerindian is not unusual in the ME, most likely came from His Kurdish side. Northeast_African and Sub-Saharan are probably from his Local Palestinian admixture.

Jesus, thanks for the reply.

I took a look at your U8b1a1 mtDNA haplotype and found two out of five U8b1a1's on the U8 Project who had autosomal kits on GEDmatch. Both of those have an X-DNA to my mother. I'm curious if you have a kit on GEDmatch which I can compare with. If you want to keep that information private, you can email me the kit number and I will keep any discussion with you confidential.

Thanks,

Jack

anglesqueville
01-26-2016, 05:52 PM
Friends on this thread might be interested by http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?6316-Autosomal-portrait-of-a-familial-clan-from-northern-France&p=136451#post136451

psaglav
01-26-2016, 06:54 PM
Mine are

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ffoucart
01-28-2016, 01:31 AM
my results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 45.19
2 Baltic 20.53
3 West_Med 16.49
4 East_Med 9.89
5 West_Asian 4.69
6 Red_Sea 1.83


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 South_Dutch @ 3.570861
2 West_German @ 4.356931
3 French @ 5.131073
4 Southeast_English @ 8.288505
5 Southwest_English @ 10.177438
6 Orcadian @ 11.222371
7 North_German @ 11.316727
8 North_Dutch @ 11.840305
9 Danish @ 11.891972
10 Irish @ 12.432858
11 West_Scottish @ 12.577166
12 Austrian @ 12.805714
13 Spanish_Cataluna @ 13.634468
14 Norwegian @ 14.646075
15 East_German @ 14.709287
16 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 14.993813
17 Spanish_Galicia @ 15.214324
18 Portuguese @ 15.247333
19 Swedish @ 15.864409
20 Southwest_French @ 16.333080

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% French +50% South_Dutch @ 2.531235


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Southeast_English +25% Southeast_English +25% Tuscan @ 1.470170


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Tuscan @ 1.470170
2 Orcadian + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Tuscan @ 1.567044
3 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Tuscan @ 1.598932
4 French + French + Southeast_English + West_German @ 1.712220
5 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Tuscan + West_Scottish @ 1.716137
6 North_Dutch + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Tuscan @ 1.769639
7 North_Italian + South_Dutch + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 1.826366
8 Irish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Tuscan @ 1.836527
9 Danish + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Tuscan @ 1.839161
10 North_Dutch + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Tuscan @ 1.860102
11 French + North_Italian + Norwegian + Southeast_English @ 1.862119
12 Danish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Tuscan @ 1.863093
13 Orcadian + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Tuscan @ 1.874450
14 North_Italian + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 1.875590
15 Danish + French + North_German + Spanish_Valencia @ 1.882392
16 French + French + South_Dutch + Southeast_English @ 1.904625
17 Danish + French + North_German + Spanish_Murcia @ 1.925665
18 Danish + French + French + French @ 1.939092
19 French + North_German + North_German + Spanish_Valencia @ 1.958573
20 French + North_Dutch + North_German + Spanish_Valencia @ 1.960568

Father:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 45.56
2 Baltic 21.33
3 West_Med 13.76
4 East_Med 8.40
5 West_Asian 7.48
6 Amerindian 1.64


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 West_German @ 3.232328
2 South_Dutch @ 3.652236
3 Southeast_English @ 7.112415
4 North_German @ 8.468881
5 French @ 8.573508
6 Southwest_English @ 9.241196
7 Orcadian @ 9.380301
8 North_Dutch @ 9.421523
9 Danish @ 9.502286
10 Irish @ 10.254767
11 West_Scottish @ 10.696402
12 Austrian @ 12.128371
13 Norwegian @ 12.194796
14 Swedish @ 13.478151
15 East_German @ 13.978223
16 Hungarian @ 16.956377
17 Spanish_Cataluna @ 17.112972
18 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 18.566935
19 North_Swedish @ 18.632168
20 Portuguese @ 18.677328

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% South_Dutch +50% West_German @ 3.215255


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% North_Dutch +25% Tuscan +25% West_Scottish @ 2.048841


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Italian_Abruzzo + Norwegian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 1.838483
2 Irish + Italian_Abruzzo + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 1.930058
3 Italian_Abruzzo + Norwegian + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 1.946512
4 North_Dutch + North_Dutch + Tuscan + West_Scottish @ 2.048841
5 Irish + North_Dutch + North_Dutch + Tuscan @ 2.049126
6 Irish + Italian_Abruzzo + Norwegian + Orcadian @ 2.069249
7 Irish + Irish + Italian_Abruzzo + Norwegian @ 2.072714
8 Danish + Irish + North_Dutch + Tuscan @ 2.073895
9 Danish + North_Dutch + Tuscan + West_Scottish @ 2.122411
10 Danish + Irish + Irish + Tuscan @ 2.125711
11 Italian_Abruzzo + Norwegian + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 2.129529
12 Irish + North_Dutch + Norwegian + Tuscan @ 2.138594
13 Irish + North_German + Tuscan + West_Scottish @ 2.139315
14 Irish + Irish + Norwegian + Tuscan @ 2.144929
15 North_Dutch + Norwegian + Tuscan + West_Scottish @ 2.148020
16 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + Tuscan @ 2.156180
17 Italian_Abruzzo + Norwegian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.156535
18 Italian_Abruzzo + North_Dutch + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.162367
19 Greek_Thessaly + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.173348
20 Irish + Irish + North_German + Tuscan @ 2.176007

WilliamAllan
01-28-2016, 02:11 PM
# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 49.84
2 Baltic 22.63
3 West_Med 15.53
4 East_Med 6.18
5 West_Asian 3.76
6 South_Asian 1.02
7 Amerindian 0.48
8 Red_Sea 0.34
9 Siberian 0.23

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# Population (source) Distance
1 Southeast_English 2.15
2 Southwest_English 3.85
3 Orcadian 4.8
4 South_Dutch 5.23
5 West_Scottish 5.9
6 Irish 6.01
7 North_Dutch 6.24
8 Danish 6.49
9 West_German 6.82
10 North_German 7.55
11 Norwegian 8.54
12 French 9.6
13 Swedish 10.49
14 Austrian 13.23
15 East_German 13.94
16 North_Swedish 15.85
17 Spanish_Cataluna 16.27
18 Southwest_French 17.38
19 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 17.51
20 Spanish_Cantabria 17.9

Postumus
02-08-2016, 08:09 PM
Admix Results (sorted):

#Population Percent

1 North_Atlantic 46.26
2 Baltic 24.47
3 West_Med 16.33
4 East_Med 5.35
5 South_Asian 2.74
6 Red_Sea 2.27
7 Amerindian 1.2
8 West_Asian 0.85
9 Northeast_African 0.46
10 Oceanian 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance

1 South_Dutch 5.84
2 Southeast_English 6.04
3 West_German 7.22
4 Southwest_English 7.34
5 Orcadian 7.5
6 Danish 8.23
7 North_Dutch 8.23
8 North_German 8.4
9 Irish 8.79
10 West_Scottish 8.98
11 French 9.53
12 Norwegian 9.97
13 Swedish 10.64
14 Austrian 11.33
15 East_German 11.6
16 North_Swedish 14.53
17 Hungarian 15.85
18 Spanish_Cataluna 16.27
19 Southwest_French 16.87
20 Spanish_Galicia 16.91

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 62.4% Swedish + 37.6% Spanish_Galicia 3.78
2 63.3% Swedish + 36.7% Spanish_Cantabria 3.78
3 62.3% Swedish + 37.7% Southwest_French 3.85
4 66.3% Swedish + 33.7% Spanish_Aragon 3.86
5 58.3%North_Swedish + 41.7% Spanish_Aragon 3.89
6 62.8% Swedish + 37.2% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 3.9
7 65.1% Swedish + 34.9% Spanish_Valencia 3.96
8 64.2% Norwegian + 35.8% Spanish_Galicia 3.97
9 65.5% Swedish + 34.5% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha3.99
10 65.4% Swedish + 34.6% Spanish_Murcia 4.17
11 61.7% Swedish + 38.3% Spanish_Cataluna 4.21
12 63.6% Swedish + 36.4% Portuguese 4.22
13 69.9% Danish + 30.1% Southwest_French 4.26
14 66% Swedish + 34% Spanish_Extremadura 4.26
15 70% Danish + 30% Spanish_Galicia 4.29
16 55% North_Swedish + 45% Spanish_Cantabria 4.3
17 83.5% Norwegian + 16.5% Sardinian 4.35
18 86.7% Danish + 13.3% Sardinian 4.36
19 65.5% Norwegian + 34.5% Portuguese 4.42
20 64.9% Norwegian + 35.1% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 4.45

The mixed population results here are similar to those obtained using Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15. Both algorithms accurately identified my recent Scandinavian ancestry (see my signature below) but I was surprised to discover the secondary northern Iberian component. Could this represent ancient proto-celtic DNA?

Postumus
02-08-2016, 09:44 PM
And here, with my apologies, are the K13 Oracle 4 results.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 46.26
2 Baltic 24.47
3 West_Med 16.33
4 East_Med 5.35
5 South_Asian 2.74
6 Red_Sea 2.27
7 Amerindian 1.20


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 South_Dutch @ 6.655213
2 Southeast_English @ 6.823024
3 West_German @ 8.279102
4 Southwest_English @ 8.367990
5 Orcadian @ 8.514922
6 Danish @ 9.264389
7 North_Dutch @ 9.320064
8 North_German @ 9.486762
9 Irish @ 10.085835
10 West_Scottish @ 10.283330
11 French @ 10.860004
12 Norwegian @ 11.292503
13 Swedish @ 11.964270
14 Austrian @ 12.996093
15 East_German @ 13.253567
16 North_Swedish @ 16.210651
17 Hungarian @ 18.197580
18 Spanish_Cataluna @ 18.379086
19 Southwest_French @ 18.858019
20 Spanish_Galicia @ 19.069744

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% North_Swedish +50% Spanish_Cantabria @ 5.025839


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Southeast_English +25% Southwest_Finnish +25% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.711171


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_Finnish + Spanish_Aragon @ 3.668923
2 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southwest_Finnish + Spanish_Aragon @ 3.711171
3 North_Swedish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Spanish_Galicia @ 3.721755
4 North_Swedish + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Spanish_Galicia @ 3.778915
5 Southeast_English + Southwest_Finnish + Spanish_Aragon + West_Scottish @ 3.818919
6 Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_Finnish + Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.826774
7 Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_Finnish + Spanish_Galicia @ 3.831764
8 Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_Finnish + Spanish_Valencia @ 3.838484
9 Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_Finnish + Spanish_Aragon @ 3.841928
10 Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_Finnish + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.848450
11 Orcadian + Southeast_English + Southwest_Finnish + Spanish_Aragon @ 3.850737
12 North_Swedish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southwest_French @ 3.861078
13 North_Swedish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.868303
14 North_Swedish + Orcadian + Southeast_English + Spanish_Galicia @ 3.883103
15 Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_Finnish + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.888604
16 Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_Finnish + Spanish_Aragon @ 3.890360
17 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southwest_Finnish + Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.891306
18 Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_Finnish + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.892893
19 Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_Finnish + Spanish_Galicia @ 3.894659
20 Irish + Southeast_English + Southwest_Finnish + Spanish_Aragon @ 3.913504

DMXX
02-08-2016, 09:50 PM
The mixed population results here are similar to those obtained using Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15. Both algorithms accurately identified my recent Scandinavian ancestry (see my signature below) but I was surprised to discover the secondary northern Iberian component. Could this represent ancient proto-celtic DNA?

The Oracle program works by expressing an individual's autosomal profile (defined by the components used) as percentage-based combinations of various reference populations. Both the component numbers (K's) and reference pops could lead to spurious manifestations of an individual's results.

This is a long-winded way of stating it's possible, but no sure bet, due to the above and the inherent limitations of ADMIXTURE. Looking at the GD's here, it's more likely that your ancestry isn't being well expressed due to the reference populations used.

The_Lyonnist
02-13-2016, 01:03 PM
Where is Eurogenes K13 ??? I do not find on the Internet !!! Put a link, please!

tchekitchek
02-13-2016, 01:07 PM
Where is Eurogenes K13 ??? I do not find on the Internet !!! Put a link, please!

Register on Gedmatch.com then click on Admixture (heritage)

The_Lyonnist
02-13-2016, 01:13 PM
Register on Gedmatch.com then click on Admixture (heritage)

Thanks.

The_Lyonnist
02-13-2016, 02:03 PM
What is the interpretation?

# Population Percent (Average France)
1 North_Atlantic 36.67 (42.60)
2 West_Med 23.21 (19.50)
3 Baltic 20.72 (17.48)
4 East_Med 8.03 (10.33)
5 West_Asian 7.06 (4.96)
6 Red_Sea 2.4 (2.82)
7 Amerindian 1.38 (0.38)
8 Siberian 0.41 (0.27)
9 South_Asian 0.13 (1.08)


# Population (source) Distance
1 French 7.43
2 West_German 9.82
3 South_Dutch 9.95
4 Spanish_Galicia 10.42
5 Spanish_Cataluna 10.74
6 Portuguese 11.03
7 Austrian 11.4
8 Southwest_French 11.58
9 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 11.68
10 Spanish_Cantabria 11.99
11 Spanish_Extremadura 12.26
12 Spanish_Valencia 12.88
13 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 13.07
14 Spanish_Murcia 13.09
15 East_German 13.09
16 North_Italian 13.59
17 Spanish_Andalucia 13.98
18 Serbian 14.02
19 Hungarian 14.29
20 Spanish_Aragon 15.29

randwulf
02-13-2016, 03:17 PM
The mixed population results here are similar to those obtained using Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15. Both algorithms accurately identified my recent Scandinavian ancestry (see my signature below) but I was surprised to discover the secondary northern Iberian component. Could this represent ancient proto-celtic DNA?

In addition to providing a "second" to the eloquently stated opinion of DMXX, I can add as a person with Appalachian roots that my family always get various "Spanish" type ancestry in these Oracles that I believe is trying to pick up various minority ancestry components that we have that likely are from other sources, such as Amerindian, African, etc. that have been admixed in the colonial USA time frame.

randwulf
02-13-2016, 03:29 PM
What is the interpretation?



You are closest to the "French" population in the Oracle Spreadsheet with the calculator, but the distance "7.43" isn't super "close". I am guessing that is because it looks like your scores are more elevated in the West Med/East Med/West Asian/Red Sea area than the French population on the spreadsheet. My father and I both test as "French" with just under "5.00" distances and have similar shifted results as yours. In the "Mixed Mode Population Sharing", it tries to add various Spanish populations to account for it. I am not convinced we have Spanish ancestors, but maybe something more Southeast in relation to France/West Germany as input to our admixture (for example, Ashkenazi????). Maybe you have something similar.

The_Lyonnist
02-13-2016, 04:18 PM
You are closest to the "French" population in the Oracle Spreadsheet with the calculator, but the distance "7.43" isn't super "close". I am guessing that is because it looks like your scores are more elevated in the West Med/East Med/West Asian/Red Sea area than the French population on the spreadsheet. My father and I both test as "French" with just under "5.00" distances and have similar shifted results as yours. In the "Mixed Mode Population Sharing", it tries to add various Spanish populations to account for it. I am not convinced we have Spanish ancestors, but maybe something more Southeast in relation to France/West Germany as input to our admixture (for example, Ashkenazi????). Maybe you have something similar.

My maternal great-grandfather was born in West Germany at Monchweiler.

Helgenes50
02-13-2016, 04:21 PM
My paternal great-grandfather was born in West Germany at Monchweiler.

Was your great-grandfather German ?

The_Lyonnist
02-13-2016, 05:11 PM
Was your great-grandfather German ?

Yes. A true alcoholic. lol

Helgenes50
02-13-2016, 05:31 PM
Yes. A true alcoholic. lol

That means your I1 is german, not from Lyon !!!
Did you see this project on FTDNA ? I don't know whether you are interested
in knowing your sub-clade, in South Germany a lot of I1 are I-Z140, Z58,Z63

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/yDNA_I1/

Now, I don't know where alcoholics are the most numerous ! in Z140 ? Z58 ?.....

The_Lyonnist
02-13-2016, 05:36 PM
That means your I1 is german, not from Lyon !!!
Did you see this project on FTDNA ? I don't know whether you are interested
in knowing your sub-clade, in South Germany a lot of I1 are I-Z140, Z58,Z63

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/yDNA_I1/

Now, I don't know where alcoholics are the most numerous ! in Z140 ? Z58 ?.....

No. Error. Maternal ancestry is from Germany.

C J Wyatt III
02-13-2016, 05:43 PM
No. Error. Maternal ancestry is from Germany.

How far back can you reliably document your maternal line?

Thanks,

Jack

The_Lyonnist
02-13-2016, 05:55 PM
How far back can you reliably document your maternal line?

Thanks,

Jack

Not very far. This is the ancestor the farthest.

tchekitchek
02-13-2016, 06:05 PM
What is the interpretation?

Population
North_Atlantic 36.67
Baltic 20.72
West_Med 23.21
West_Asian 7.06
East_Med 8.03
Red_Sea 2.40

# Population (source) Distance
1 French 7.43
2 West_German 9.82
3 South_Dutch 9.95
4 Spanish_Galicia 10.42
5 Spanish_Cataluna 10.74

Interesting... you got rather high Baltic for someone from Lyon, more in line with Germanic countries; but you have a rather low Atlantic and you've got a high West Med.

Other calculator you should consider: Eurogenes EUtest, Eurogenes ANE K7, PuntDNAL K12 modern, Dodecad V3, MDLP K13 Ultimate...

The_Lyonnist
02-13-2016, 06:28 PM
Interesting... you got rather high Baltic for someone from Lyon, more in line with Germanic countries; but you have a rather low Atlantic and you've got a high West Med.

Other calculator you should consider: Eurogenes EUtest, Eurogenes ANE K7, PuntDNAL K12 modern, Dodecad V3, MDLP K13 Ultimate...

In fact, this is not surprising. The Burgundians (Germanic people) were probably originated in Scandinavia. This people settled in the southeast of France, including Lyon belongs.

randwulf
02-13-2016, 07:25 PM
My maternal great-grandfather was born in West Germany at Monchweiler.

I was looking at your "mixed mode" results in the other calculators. You may have noticed a trend where it guesses you may be 85% "French" and 15% something else. A lot of those "something" else populations are countries east and south of your location. This is what I was indicating earlier - your results are being recognized as French but your admixture is a little south/east shifted from the French people averages used by this or that calculator. This does not mean you have a recent ancestor from those other countries, just that your results lean that direction, maybe. It looks kind of like a consistent pattern in your results.

Mestace
02-13-2016, 08:42 PM
In fact, this is not surprising. The Burgundians (Germanic people) were probably originated in Scandinavia. This people settled in the southeast of France, including Lyon belongs.

I think you are close to my father, with very similar admix and Oracle in K13 at least, but you may be more south/east shifted in the new calculators, because of the "Red_Sea", which was an overlooked and very intense component, translating now in more SW_Asian/Near_East. I can see the Rhône-Alpes signature overall, high Baltic, high West Med and relatively low N.Atlantic.

Try Eurogenes K7 as well, (rather post it in your thread's results, im interested to see it)

The_Lyonnist
02-13-2016, 09:07 PM
I think you are close to my father, with very similar admix and Oracle in K13 at least, but you may be more south/east shifted in the new calculators, because of the "Red_Sea", which was an overlooked and very intense component, translating now in more SW_Asian/Near_East. I can see the Rhône-Alpes signature overall, high Baltic, high West Med and relatively low N.Atlantic.

Try Eurogenes K7 as well, (rather post it in your thread's results, im interested to see it)

ANE 12.96
ASE 0.59
WHG-UHG 57.13
East_Eurasian 1.37
West_African 0.39
East_African -
ENF 27.56

Star93
02-13-2016, 10:00 PM
Eurogenes K13

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 27.5
2 West_Med 23.29
3 North_Atlantic 20.55
4 Baltic 16.35
5 West_Asian 10.51
6 Red_Sea 1.21
7 Oceanian 0.23

Thanathos
02-14-2016, 02:40 PM
Here mine ! I guess i'm average for my region.
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 45.61
2 Baltic 21.37
3 West_Med 17.07
4 East_Med 6.75
5 West_Asian 5.09
6 Red_Sea 1.91
7 South_Asian 1.04


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 South_Dutch @ 2.401201
2 West_German @ 4.545762
3 French @ 6.622951
4 Southeast_English @ 6.650864
5 Southwest_English @ 7.921937
6 Orcadian @ 9.137291
7 North_German @ 9.796136
8 North_Dutch @ 10.020053
9 Irish @ 10.221465
10 Danish @ 10.254521
11 West_Scottish @ 10.534953
12 Austrian @ 12.500454
13 Norwegian @ 12.773336
14 East_German @ 13.936521
15 Swedish @ 14.025590
16 Spanish_Cataluna @ 14.984985
17 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 16.269426
18 Spanish_Galicia @ 16.277241
19 Southwest_French @ 16.505009
20 Portuguese @ 16.758846

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Spanish_Cataluna +50% Swedish @ 1.849853


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% North_German +25% South_Dutch +25% Spanish_Aragon @ 1.000947


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 French + North_German + Norwegian + Spanish_Cantabria @ 0.614965
2 Austrian + Irish + Southwest_English + Spanish_Murcia @ 0.669276
3 Austrian + Southwest_English + Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish @ 0.722548
4 Austrian + Southwest_English + Spanish_Extremadura + West_Scottish @ 0.753836
5 North_German + South_Dutch + Southwest_English + Spanish_Galicia @ 0.778009
6 Austrian + Southeast_English + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + West_Scottish @ 0.848912
7 Austrian + Southwest_English + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + West_Scottish @ 0.851699
8 French + North_Dutch + Norwegian + Spanish_Galicia @ 0.875124
9 Danish + French + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Swedish @ 0.880332
10 French + North_German + Spanish_Aragon + Swedish @ 0.886642
11 Austrian + Portuguese + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 0.903720
12 French + North_Dutch + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Swedish @ 0.916834
13 Austrian + Southwest_English + Spanish_Valencia + West_Scottish @ 0.928415
14 French + Irish + Spanish_Cataluna + Swedish @ 0.929631
15 Danish + French + Norwegian + Spanish_Galicia @ 0.947188
16 Austrian + Irish + Southeast_English + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 0.977372
17 Austrian + Danish + Southwest_English + Spanish_Aragon @ 0.978917
18 Austrian + Irish + Southwest_English + Spanish_Valencia @ 0.982499
19 Austrian + Irish + Southwest_English + Spanish_Extremadura @ 0.992055
20 French + Norwegian + Norwegian + Spanish_Extremadura @ 0.992572

bebb
03-03-2016, 10:28 PM
23andme 8040

GMan71
03-13-2016, 12:39 PM
This test seemed to fit me best of all the gedmatch calculators so thought I would try it on dads.
Paper trail ethnicity for him is 50% Ċland (Swedish Finn or Finnish Swede), 25% North East/East German, 25%SouthWest England.
Admix Results (sorted):


# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 45.72
2 Baltic 31.15
3 West_Med 10.45
4 West_Asian 4.71
5 East_Med 2.30
6 Amerindian 1.44
7 Oceanian 1.09
8 Red_Sea 1.04


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Swedish @ 3.419636
2 North_German @ 5.346594
3 Norwegian @ 6.271761
4 Danish @ 6.777474
5 North_Swedish @ 6.892165
6 North_Dutch @ 6.993722
7 Orcadian @ 9.115702
8 Irish @ 10.095784
9 Southeast_English @ 10.393323
10 East_German @ 10.496170
11 West_Scottish @ 11.060318
12 Austrian @ 11.664264
13 South_Dutch @ 11.802411
14 Southwest_English @ 12.071959
15 West_German @ 12.087990
16 Southwest_Finnish @ 15.567183
17 Hungarian @ 15.962555
18 French @ 18.664492
19 South_Polish @ 19.164427
20 Polish @ 21.054510

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% North_German +50% North_Swedish @ 2.311314


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Orcadian +25% Polish +25% Swedish @ 1.418916


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Estonian_Polish + Swedish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 1.186038
2 Estonian_Polish + Norwegian + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 1.255593
3 Estonian + Irish + North_German + Orcadian @ 1.263704
4 Estonian + North_German + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 1.274406
5 Estonian + North_German + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 1.276191
6 Estonian + Irish + North_German + Southeast_English @ 1.287888
7 East_German + Irish + North_Swedish + Swedish @ 1.312364
8 Belorussian + Swedish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 1.328039
9 Estonian_Polish + Irish + Norwegian + Orcadian @ 1.331694
10 Estonian_Polish + Irish + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 1.340231
11 Estonian + North_Dutch + North_German + Southwest_English @ 1.340389
12 Estonian_Polish + Irish + Swedish + West_Scottish @ 1.344922
13 Orcadian + Polish + Swedish + West_Scottish @ 1.356356
14 Estonian + North_German + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 1.360890
15 Russian_Smolensk + Swedish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 1.368210
16 East_German + North_Swedish + Swedish + West_Scottish @ 1.369117
17 Estonian_Polish + Norwegian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 1.369333
18 Belorussian + Irish + Norwegian + Orcadian @ 1.370575
19 Estonian + North_German + Orcadian + Southwest_English @ 1.374580
20 Estonian + Irish + North_German + West_Scottish @ 1.377548

Amerijoe
03-13-2016, 01:33 PM
# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 53.91
2 Baltic 20.29
3 West_Med 11.14
4 West_Asian 6.69
5 East_Med 4.02
6 South_Asian 1.96


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 West_Scottish @ 4.429781
2 Irish @ 5.286932
3 Southwest_English @ 5.469750
4 Orcadian @ 5.777565
5 Southeast_English @ 6.059391
6 North_Dutch @ 7.373694
7 Danish @ 7.556104
8 Norwegian @ 9.391395
9 North_German @ 9.892081
10 South_Dutch @ 11.203811
11 West_German @ 12.505179
12 Swedish @ 12.699186
13 French @ 15.991107
14 North_Swedish @ 19.696226
15 Austrian @ 20.098473
16 East_German @ 20.861351
17 Spanish_Cataluna @ 23.185375
18 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 24.460621
19 Southwest_French @ 24.733789
20 Spanish_Cantabria @ 24.961107

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% West_Scottish +50% West_Scottish @ 4.429781


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% West_Scottish +25% West_Scottish +25% West_Scottish @ 4.429781


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.423824
2 West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.429781
3 Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.448880
4 Southeast_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.604551
5 Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.611240
6 Irish + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.617993
7 Irish + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.626709
8 Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.644124
9 Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.674109
10 Orcadian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.724972
11 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.727947
12 Orcadian + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.772119
13 Irish + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 4.795031
14 Irish + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 4.811979
15 Irish + Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.815347
16 Danish + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.827184
17 Irish + Irish + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 4.827401
18 Irish + Irish + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 4.833736
19 Danish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.857443
20 South_Dutch + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.861300

AnnieD
03-13-2016, 06:04 PM
... I can add as a person with Appalachian roots that my family always get various "Spanish" type ancestry in these Oracles that I believe is trying to pick up various minority ancestry components that we have that likely are from other sources, such as Amerindian, African, etc. that have been admixed in the colonial USA time frame.







Would anyone have a guess as to what extent minor Continental AC of around 1%, if real, influences the Eurogenes sub-regional Oracles? :\ Like Randwulf, I am apparently mostly Colonial American of predominantly British Diaspora but show 1% NA at 23andMe in all 3 modes. While unsubstantiated by paper trail or family lore thus far, it looked potentially "real" to 2 posters on a 23andMe thread. This component also shows up on Gedmatch calculators to varying % but often higher than European British by at least 0.50%. Even if it is not actually Native America but rather a NE Euro or other algorithm mix-up, would it be substantial enough to shift the results below?

SE English is fairly persistent in this calculator vs. SE English in the K15. This leads me to wonder if SE English represents the best algorithm fit for more admixed British folks today which Colonial Americans would realistically fall into.

Eurogenes K13:
Admix Results (sorted):


#
Population
Percent


1
North_Atlantic
48.80


2
Baltic
23.34


3
West_Med
12.98


4
East_Med
7.64


5
West_Asian
3.65


6
Amerindian
1.34


7
Siberian
1.10



Using 1 population approximation:
1 Southeast_English @ 3.614478

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% South_Dutch +50% Southeast_English @ 3.450654

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Southeast_English +25% Southeast_English +25% West_German @ 2.860779

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_German @ 2.860779
____________________________
Eurogenes K15:
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Southeast_English @ 2.826921

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Southeast_English +50% Southeast_English @ 2.826921

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Danish +25% Orcadian +25% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.781584

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Spanish_Murcia + West_Norwegian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.472397
_____________________________
The Spanish result that Randwulf mentions is apparent in this calculator. It appears that the North Euro (Norwegian) component is balanced by the SW Euro (Spanish) component to average to … Britain. :P

Boeck
03-13-2016, 07:47 PM
My mother (M213516)




Population
North_Atlantic 44.87
Baltic 23.51
West_Med 13.35
West_Asian 8.69
East_Med 5.63
Red_Sea 1.06
South_Asian -
East_Asian 1.12
Siberian 1.52
Amerindian 0.24
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 73.3% Irish + 26.7% Romanian @ 2.33
2 71.6% West_Scottish + 28.4% Romanian @ 2.34
3 75.8% Irish + 24.2% Bulgarian @ 2.35
4 74.2% West_Scottish + 25.8% Bulgarian @ 2.38
5 87.1% Southeast_English + 12.9% Nogay @ 2.39
6 87.1% Orcadian + 12.9% Turkish @ 2.42
7 88.4% Southeast_English + 11.6% Kabardin @ 2.46
8 89% Orcadian + 11% Georgian_Jewish @ 2.46
9 89% Orcadian + 11% Armenian @ 2.58
10 88.7% Southeast_English + 11.3% Balkar @ 2.59
11 78.5% Norwegian + 21.5% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.59
12 68.5% West_Scottish + 31.5% Serbian @ 2.6
13 89.2% Southeast_English + 10.8% North_Ossetian @ 2.62
14 70.4% Irish + 29.6% Serbian @ 2.66
15 75.6% Orcadian + 24.4% Romanian @ 2.66
16 87.2% Orcadian + 12.8% Kumyk @ 2.67
17 78% Orcadian + 22% Bulgarian @ 2.67
18 89.2% Orcadian + 10.8% Assyrian @ 2.67
19 87.8% North_Dutch + 12.2% Turkish @ 2.71
20 81.7% Norwegian + 18.3% South_Italian @ 2.72


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% North_German +50% West_German @ 3.273736


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% Irish +25% Romanian @ 2.429964


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Bulgarian + Irish + Irish + West_Scottish @ 2.380445
2 Bulgarian + Irish + Irish + Irish @ 2.392951
3 Bulgarian + Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.410311
4 Irish + Irish + Irish + Romanian @ 2.429964
5 Irish + Irish + Orcadian + Romanian @ 2.469039
6 Irish + Irish + Romanian + West_Scottish @ 2.478427
7 Bulgarian + Irish + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 2.518869
8 Bulgarian + Irish + Irish + Orcadian @ 2.525593
9 Bulgarian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.529371
10 Irish + Orcadian + Romanian + West_Scottish @ 2.545879
11 Irish + Romanian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.578885
12 Bulgarian + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.590808
13 Irish + North_Dutch + Romanian + West_Scottish @ 2.597240
14 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + Romanian @ 2.614784
15 Irish + Irish + Romanian + Southwest_English @ 2.633121
16 Bulgarian + North_Dutch + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.633872
17 North_Dutch + Romanian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.646776
18 Orcadian + Romanian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.648266
19 Irish + Orcadian + Orcadian + Romanian @ 2.651780
20 Bulgarian + Irish + North_Dutch + West_Scottish @ 2.653705

Boeck
03-13-2016, 07:54 PM
Maternal aunt 1 (M191828)





Population
North_Atlantic 45.37
Baltic 22.95
West_Med 13.24
West_Asian 8.89
East_Med 5.31
Red_Sea 1.49
South_Asian -
East_Asian 1.33
Siberian 0.83
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.59
Sub-Saharan -


Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 89.3% Orcadian + 10.7% Georgian_Jewish @ 2.39
2 88.8% Southeast_English + 11.2% Kabardin @ 2.41
3 87.4% Orcadian + 12.6% Turkish @ 2.44
4 89.2% Orcadian + 10.8% Armenian @ 2.45
5 89.4% Southeast_English + 10.6% North_Ossetian @ 2.51
6 89.1% Southeast_English + 10.9% Balkar @ 2.54
7 77.3% Irish + 22.7% Bulgarian @ 2.55
8 75% Irish + 25% Romanian @ 2.58
9 89.4% Orcadian + 10.6% Georgian @ 2.61
10 75.7% West_Scottish + 24.3% Bulgarian @ 2.63
11 89.4% Orcadian + 10.6% Assyrian @ 2.63
12 89.9% Orcadian + 10.1% Abhkasian @ 2.64
13 73.2% West_Scottish + 26.8% Romanian @ 2.64
14 89.4% Southeast_English + 10.6% Adygei @ 2.66
15 89.6% Southeast_English + 10.4% Ossetian @ 2.68
16 88.8% Southeast_English + 11.2% Chechen @ 2.68
17 88.2% Orcadian + 11.8% Azeri @ 2.69
18 87.5% Orcadian + 12.5% Kumyk @ 2.69
19 87.8% Southeast_English + 12.2% Nogay @ 2.72
20 88.8% Southeast_English + 11.2% Kumyk @ 2.73


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% North_German +50% South_Dutch @ 3.578203


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% Irish +25% Romanian @ 2.690455


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Irish + Irish + Irish + Romanian @ 2.690455
2 Irish + Irish + Romanian + West_Scottish @ 2.701453
3 Bulgarian + Irish + Irish + West_Scottish @ 2.738750
4 Bulgarian + Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.750593
5 Irish + Romanian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.769143
6 Bulgarian + Irish + Irish + Irish @ 2.778591
7 Bulgarian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.813148
8 Irish + Irish + Romanian + Southwest_English @ 2.844941
9 Romanian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.881831
10 Irish + Romanian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.913861
11 Irish + Irish + Orcadian + Romanian @ 2.928327
12 Irish + Orcadian + Romanian + West_Scottish @ 2.943155
13 Orcadian + Romanian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.020124
14 Romanian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.026017
15 Irish + North_Dutch + Romanian + West_Scottish @ 3.047693
16 Bulgarian + Irish + Irish + Southwest_English @ 3.049615
17 North_Dutch + Romanian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.058534
18 Bulgarian + Irish + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 3.059158
19 Bulgarian + Irish + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 3.064146
20 Bulgarian + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.074914

Boeck
03-13-2016, 07:57 PM
Maternal aunt 2 (M893436)




Population
North_Atlantic 46.38
Baltic 24.54
West_Med 11.84
West_Asian 7.66
East_Med 6.63
Red_Sea 1.02
South_Asian -
East_Asian 1.34
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.58
Sub-Saharan -

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 81.6% Norwegian + 18.4% Italian_Abruzzo @ 1.79
2 91% North_Dutch + 9% Cyprian @ 1.8
3 87.6% North_Dutch + 12.4% Central_Greek @ 1.85
4 86.4% North_Dutch + 13.6% Italian_Abruzzo @ 1.87
5 92% North_Dutch + 8% Lebanese_Christian @ 1.9
6 87.9% North_Dutch + 12.1% East_Sicilian @ 1.91
7 91.2% North_Dutch + 8.8% Lebanese_Muslim @ 1.93
8 84.3% Norwegian + 15.7% South_Italian @ 1.93
9 88.5% North_Dutch + 11.5% South_Italian @ 1.94
10 91.8% North_Dutch + 8.2% Assyrian @ 1.97
11 91.9% North_Dutch + 8.1% Samaritan @ 1.99
12 91.8% North_Dutch + 8.2% Lebanese_Druze @ 1.99
13 82.5% Norwegian + 17.5% West_Sicilian @ 1.99
14 88.5% North_Dutch + 11.5% Ashkenazi @ 2
15 92% North_Dutch + 8% Kurdish_Jewish @ 2.02
16 85.7% Norwegian + 14.3% Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.03
17 85.8% Norwegian + 14.2% Italian_Jewish @ 2.06
18 85.9% North_Dutch + 14.1% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.07
19 89.7% North_Dutch + 10.3% Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.08
20 86.6% Danish + 13.4% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.09


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% North_German +50% West_German @ 2.480715


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% North_German +25% West_German +25% West_German @ 2.480715


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 North_Dutch + North_German + West_German + West_German @ 2.306211
2 Danish + North_German + West_German + West_German @ 2.411844
3 North_German + Norwegian + West_German + West_German @ 2.416143
4 North_German + North_German + West_German + West_German @ 2.480715
5 North_German + North_German + South_Dutch + West_German @ 2.516637
6 North_Dutch + North_German + South_Dutch + West_German @ 2.536958
7 North_Dutch + North_Dutch + West_German + West_German @ 2.543460
8 Danish + North_Dutch + West_German + West_German @ 2.550715
9 Norwegian + Romanian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.560188
10 Danish + North_German + South_Dutch + West_German @ 2.579884
11 French + North_German + North_German + North_German @ 2.594973
12 North_Dutch + Serbian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.600075
13 Irish + North_German + West_German + West_German @ 2.612344
14 North_Dutch + Romanian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.615057
15 Danish + Serbian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.619148
16 Danish + Danish + West_German + West_German @ 2.628937
17 Irish + North_Dutch + Serbian + West_Scottish @ 2.630942
18 Irish + Norwegian + Romanian + West_Scottish @ 2.659184
19 North_German + Norwegian + South_Dutch + West_German @ 2.660694
20 Danish + Irish + Serbian + West_Scottish @ 2.662966

Boeck
03-13-2016, 07:59 PM
Maternal uncle (M052036)




Population
North_Atlantic 46.74
Baltic 25.25
West_Med 11.61
West_Asian 6.20
East_Med 7.56
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
East_Asian 1.12
Siberian 0.75
Amerindian 0.43
Oceanian 0.33
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -


Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 86.4% Norwegian + 13.6% Italian_Jewish @ 1.8
2 83.3% Norwegian + 16.7% West_Sicilian @ 2.03
3 85% Norwegian + 15% Ashkenazi @ 2.04
4 86.8% Norwegian + 13.2% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.06
5 86.5% Norwegian + 13.5% Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.11
6 88.9% North_Dutch + 11.1% Ashkenazi @ 2.12
7 85.2% Norwegian + 14.8% South_Italian @ 2.13
8 80.6% Norwegian + 19.4% Tuscan @ 2.13
9 82.8% Norwegian + 17.2% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.17
10 89.4% Danish + 10.6% Ashkenazi @ 2.23
11 87.5% Norwegian + 12.5% Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.27
12 90.6% Danish + 9.4% Italian_Jewish @ 2.3
13 84.6% Norwegian + 15.4% East_Sicilian @ 2.33
14 84.3% Norwegian + 15.7% Central_Greek @ 2.33
15 88.9% Danish + 11.1% Central_Greek @ 2.34
16 90.3% North_Dutch + 9.7% Italian_Jewish @ 2.36
17 88.5% Norwegian + 11.5% Cyprian @ 2.37
18 86.7% North_Dutch + 13.3% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.37
19 87.9% Danish + 12.1% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.38
20 59% West_German + 41% Norwegian @ 2.38


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Danish +50% West_German @ 2.695164


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Danish +25% West_German +25% West_German @ 2.695164


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Danish + Norwegian + West_German + West_German @ 2.659697
2 North_German + Norwegian + West_German + West_German @ 2.660321
3 Danish + Danish + West_German + West_German @ 2.695164
4 Danish + North_Dutch + West_German + West_German @ 2.728886
5 Danish + North_German + West_German + West_German @ 2.740552
6 North_Dutch + Norwegian + West_German + West_German @ 2.752542
7 North_Dutch + North_German + West_German + West_German @ 2.763550
8 Danish + Swedish + West_German + West_German @ 2.809317
9 North_Dutch + North_Dutch + West_German + West_German @ 2.833571
10 North_Dutch + Swedish + West_German + West_German @ 2.864807
11 North_German + Norwegian + South_Dutch + West_German @ 2.874706
12 Norwegian + Serbian + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 2.882069
13 Southeast_English + Swedish + West_German + West_German @ 2.882861
14 North_German + North_German + Southeast_English + West_German @ 2.885521
15 Danish + North_German + South_Dutch + West_German @ 2.898895
16 Norwegian + Norwegian + West_German + West_German @ 2.902104
17 Hungarian + North_Dutch + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 2.935728
18 Danish + Hungarian + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 2.935967
19 North_Dutch + North_German + South_Dutch + West_German @ 2.967993
20 Danish + Serbian + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 2.968802

Boeck
03-13-2016, 08:03 PM
Maternal grandmother (M203944)





Population
North_Atlantic 48.62
Baltic 21.09
West_Med 13.42
West_Asian 10.30
East_Med 2.82
Red_Sea 1.11
South_Asian -
East_Asian 1.00
Siberian 0.68
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.50
Sub-Saharan 0.46


Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 89.3% Southwest_English + 10.7% Tabassaran @ 2.27
2 89.5% West_Scottish + 10.5% Ossetian @ 2.28
3 90.3% Southwest_English + 9.7% North_Ossetian @ 2.3
4 89.6% Southwest_English + 10.4% Chechen @ 2.32
5 89.7% Southwest_English + 10.3% Lezgin @ 2.33
6 90.3% Southwest_English + 9.7% Ossetian @ 2.33
7 90.9% West_Scottish + 9.1% Abhkasian @ 2.34
8 90.5% West_Scottish + 9.5% Georgian @ 2.36
9 89.9% Southwest_English + 10.1% Kabardin @ 2.42
10 89.3% West_Scottish + 10.7% Balkar @ 2.42
11 90.1% Southwest_English + 9.9% Balkar @ 2.48
12 89.7% West_Scottish + 10.3% North_Ossetian @ 2.52
13 90.4% Southwest_English + 9.6% Adygei @ 2.54
14 90.6% Irish + 9.4% Ossetian @ 2.57
15 89.2% West_Scottish + 10.8% Kabardin @ 2.57
16 91.9% Irish + 8.1% Abhkasian @ 2.58
17 89.6% West_Scottish + 10.4% Adygei @ 2.61
18 91.6% Irish + 8.4% Georgian @ 2.61
19 91.9% Southwest_English + 8.1% Abhkasian @ 2.7
20 90.5% Irish + 9.5% Balkar @ 2.72


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +50% South_Dutch @ 5.151995


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% South_Dutch +25% West_German @ 5.140594


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 French + Irish + Irish + Irish @ 5.134528
2 Irish + Irish + South_Dutch + West_German @ 5.140594
3 Irish + Irish + South_Dutch + South_Dutch @ 5.151995
4 Irish + Irish + Irish + West_German @ 5.171914
5 Irish + Irish + Southwest_English + West_German @ 5.177943
6 Irish + Irish + West_German + West_German @ 5.189880
7 French + Irish + Irish + North_German @ 5.210411
8 Irish + South_Dutch + West_German + West_Scottish @ 5.215636
9 Irish + West_German + West_German + West_Scottish @ 5.244989
10 Irish + South_Dutch + South_Dutch + West_Scottish @ 5.264334
11 Irish + Irish + West_German + West_Scottish @ 5.295550
12 French + Irish + Irish + West_Scottish @ 5.312441
13 French + Irish + North_German + West_Scottish @ 5.314179
14 West_German + West_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.315059
15 South_Dutch + West_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.325020
16 French + Irish + Irish + North_Dutch @ 5.329889
17 Irish + Southwest_English + West_German + West_Scottish @ 5.336784
18 Irish + Irish + Irish + South_Dutch @ 5.342412
19 Irish + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_German @ 5.392222
20 South_Dutch + South_Dutch + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.394613

BalkanKiwi
03-13-2016, 11:41 PM
Maternal grandmother (M203944)





Population
North_Atlantic 48.62
Baltic 21.09
West_Med 13.42
West_Asian 10.30
East_Med 2.82
Red_Sea 1.11
South_Asian -
East_Asian 1.00
Siberian 0.68
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.50
Sub-Saharan 0.46


Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 89.3% Southwest_English + 10.7% Tabassaran @ 2.27
2 89.5% West_Scottish + 10.5% Ossetian @ 2.28
3 90.3% Southwest_English + 9.7% North_Ossetian @ 2.3
4 89.6% Southwest_English + 10.4% Chechen @ 2.32
5 89.7% Southwest_English + 10.3% Lezgin @ 2.33
6 90.3% Southwest_English + 9.7% Ossetian @ 2.33
7 90.9% West_Scottish + 9.1% Abhkasian @ 2.34
8 90.5% West_Scottish + 9.5% Georgian @ 2.36
9 89.9% Southwest_English + 10.1% Kabardin @ 2.42
10 89.3% West_Scottish + 10.7% Balkar @ 2.42
11 90.1% Southwest_English + 9.9% Balkar @ 2.48
12 89.7% West_Scottish + 10.3% North_Ossetian @ 2.52
13 90.4% Southwest_English + 9.6% Adygei @ 2.54
14 90.6% Irish + 9.4% Ossetian @ 2.57
15 89.2% West_Scottish + 10.8% Kabardin @ 2.57
16 91.9% Irish + 8.1% Abhkasian @ 2.58
17 89.6% West_Scottish + 10.4% Adygei @ 2.61
18 91.6% Irish + 8.4% Georgian @ 2.61
19 91.9% Southwest_English + 8.1% Abhkasian @ 2.7
20 90.5% Irish + 9.5% Balkar @ 2.72


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +50% South_Dutch @ 5.151995


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% South_Dutch +25% West_German @ 5.140594


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 French + Irish + Irish + Irish @ 5.134528
2 Irish + Irish + South_Dutch + West_German @ 5.140594
3 Irish + Irish + South_Dutch + South_Dutch @ 5.151995
4 Irish + Irish + Irish + West_German @ 5.171914
5 Irish + Irish + Southwest_English + West_German @ 5.177943
6 Irish + Irish + West_German + West_German @ 5.189880
7 French + Irish + Irish + North_German @ 5.210411
8 Irish + South_Dutch + West_German + West_Scottish @ 5.215636
9 Irish + West_German + West_German + West_Scottish @ 5.244989
10 Irish + South_Dutch + South_Dutch + West_Scottish @ 5.264334
11 Irish + Irish + West_German + West_Scottish @ 5.295550
12 French + Irish + Irish + West_Scottish @ 5.312441
13 French + Irish + North_German + West_Scottish @ 5.314179
14 West_German + West_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.315059
15 South_Dutch + West_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.325020
16 French + Irish + Irish + North_Dutch @ 5.329889
17 Irish + Southwest_English + West_German + West_Scottish @ 5.336784
18 Irish + Irish + Irish + South_Dutch @ 5.342412
19 Irish + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_German @ 5.392222
20 South_Dutch + South_Dutch + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.394613

From your known ancestry posted in your other thread, these results along with the others you've posted are consistent with what you know, especially in the 4 population list. As you can see, the majority of your ancestry is represented so it's extremely hard to find minor ancestry within Europe on oracles, without any paper trail.

Sikeliot
03-14-2016, 01:59 AM
Here is my mother:

North_Atlantic 35.16
Baltic 32.13
West_Med 18.70
West_Asian 3.80
East_Med 4.63
Red_Sea 1.28
South_Asian 0.54
Amerindian 1.22
Northeast_African 1.34
Sub-Saharan 1.15

Where the hell does the Amerindian come from? The African makes sense as she is part Cape Verdean.

And here is me:


Population
North_Atlantic 25.21
Baltic 18.63
West_Med 26.40
West_Asian 5.96
East_Med 18.36
Red_Sea 2.78
East_Asian 0.36
Amerindian 0.81
Northeast_African 1.47

Boeck
03-14-2016, 02:09 AM
From your known ancestry posted in your other thread, these results along with the others you've posted are consistent with what you know, especially in the 4 population list. As you can see, the majority of your ancestry is represented so it's extremely hard to find minor ancestry within Europe on oracles, without any paper trail.

As I indicated, the results I posted are of 4 children, and their mother. What I would like to get a rough estimate of is their father, who is supposed to be German, but he died before I became interested in searching my heritage.

Is it possible to take 4 children and their mother, and cross-reference the results, to paint a picture of what their dad would have looked like?

MitchellSince1893
03-14-2016, 02:25 AM
As I indicated, the results I posted are of 4 children, and their mother. What I would like to get a rough estimate of is their father, who is supposed to be German, but he died before I became interested in searching my heritage.

Is it possible to take 4 children and their mother, and cross-reference the results, to paint a picture of what their dad would have looked like?
Yes
Gedmatch advanced feature called Lazarus, but you wouldn't use the mother.

Generate 'pseudo-DNA kits' based on segments in common with your matches. These 'pseudo-DNA kits' can then be used as a surrogate for a common ancestor in other tests on this site. Segments are included for every combination where a match occurs between a kit in group1 and group2. The resulting are combined to create the final kit. It may be useful to save copies of the next page results, for future reference.

Lazarus is a tool available to paying customers.

Boeck
03-14-2016, 03:49 AM
Will it work with 4 children of the father? He didn't have brothers and sisters and his parents beat him to where he is at right now.

I do have a relative for group 2, the son of his cousin who I tested last year.

For segment threshold size, how many SNPS (more or less)?