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Brunetmj
12-06-2014, 04:13 AM
Has anyone who has taken the Geno 2, and are L21, looked at their results lately?
I was always labeled Z290 which is an L21 equivalent. After going to the Geno 2 site I discovered I am now
R-V221. Who or what is V221 ? Have they gone off their medications again ?
Anyway could others check their results and give feedback ?
I actually belong to a newer subclade L21>DF13>FGC 5494 but wanted to check to see how L21 in general is being reported on the Geno 2.

Táltos
12-06-2014, 04:38 AM
Has anyone who has taken the Geno 2, and are L21, looked at their results lately?
I was always labeled Z290 which is an L21 equivalent. After going to the Geno 2 site I discovered I am now
R-V221. Who or what is V221 ? Have they gone off their medications again ?
Anyway could others check their results and give feedback ?
I actually belong to a newer subclade L21>DF13>FGC 5494 but wanted to check to see how L21 in general is being reported on the Geno 2.

Someone reported this on the ISOGG FBook page today. "I went from ''L21'' to ''R-V221'' From what I've seen V221, can be found on Y-haplogroup A, I and G. I'm completely confused now."

No one had an answer for him there yet. It is in a post about the New Genographic Y Chromosome Tree.

Erik
12-06-2014, 05:36 AM
yeah they changed up the R1b lineages quite a bit. my J-PF5366 stays the same however

Scarlet Ibis
12-06-2014, 06:04 AM
They sent an email this morning about some kind of update or something, so I logged in. My dad seems to be yet another one who's been assigned to the enigmatic R-V221. I just rolled my eyes, and logged out. I can only assume they're continuing to update.

mafe
12-06-2014, 10:32 AM
They sent an email this morning about some kind of update or something, so I logged in. My dad seems to be yet another one who's been assigned to the enigmatic R-V221. I just rolled my eyes, and logged out. I can only assume they're continuing to update.

I'm also assigned R-V221 :confused:

Brunetmj
12-06-2014, 01:38 PM
Well I guess in time they will figure things out. Thanks everyone good to know I'm not alone.

rms2
12-06-2014, 02:24 PM
My dad's hasn't changed. It's still R-CTS2501, I guess because that is downstream of L21 (and DF13), and they already had that one in their tree.

GailT
12-06-2014, 02:58 PM
They sent an email this morning about some kind of update or something, so I logged in. My dad seems to be yet another one who's been assigned to the enigmatic R-V221. I just rolled my eyes, and logged out. I can only assume they're continuing to update.

I'm curious how much money Genographic has raised selling kits and how they have spent it. They are obviously not hiring scientists to analyze the data.

Brunetmj
12-06-2014, 03:16 PM
[QUOTE]I'm curious how much money Geographic has raised selling kits and how they have spent it./QUOTE]
I keep thinking they had better leave L21 alone. The Irish are not going to be happy with changes like that. It would be like changing the word Celtic to Zamboni, because somehow it fits better.

David Mc
12-07-2014, 12:22 AM
I am also shown as R-V221, which is odd, given I'm DF49-- downstream from R-L21. Do FTDNA and the Genographic Project even talk to each other?

Goldschlager
12-07-2014, 03:07 PM
Changed from L584 PF7580 (downstream from L23, Z2103) to V221. This is same as what FTDNA had when they went to a newer tree few months ago - now changed to R-YSC0000072.

redifflal
12-07-2014, 03:34 PM
Geno had me as R-PF7510. When I transferred the results to Family Tree, they correctly classified me at my terminal SNP at R-F813. Now Geno has finally classified me at R-F813 as well. Glad to see them gain the insight.

Brunetmj
12-07-2014, 10:34 PM
Now after looking this for a while I wonder if it reads R -V221

http://tinypic.com/2mpm3ntw

Brunetmj
12-08-2014, 03:56 AM
After further research I would read that as R -V221 (R but not derived as expected at that locus). If that is true, then the simplest explanation would be that the mutation reverted back to the ancestral state at some point in the tree.
It will take someone with more expertise on phylum trees than me to decifer what was discovered.

seferhabahir
12-08-2014, 05:08 PM
It's just plain broken. I used to be R-L583 (correct), now I am R-V221. My cousin used to be R-PF7558 (correct), now he is R-V221, along with 90,000 of their other customers. Where is the quality control? What a joke. They really need to fix this soon.

seferhabahir
12-08-2014, 05:18 PM
FTDNA is no better at this. My cousin, the one who is R-PF7558 is also listed as R-YSC0000072 by FTDNA, the same as Goldschlager. The place to go to see the real tree is probably the chart at the R1b1a2 (P312- U106-) DNA Project (aka ht35 Project) where it reflects reality. I just don't understand the trumpeting of new and exciting and updated trees (as FTDNA and Geno 2.0 both did) when there are such obvious flaws in their interpretations.

Brunetmj
12-12-2014, 05:28 PM
OK it is now back to L21. But gosh makes you wonder whats going on there.

Goldschlager
12-13-2014, 02:39 AM
Mine was changed now to R-YSC0000072 -- same as FTDNA, still wrong. While PF7580 had only 0.1% "members" the new one has 0.7%.

FunkyWanderer
12-14-2014, 07:54 PM
I just checked and I'm still R-L21 in the Genographic study. I do see they've added some new info in the history of some of the markers.

dp
12-15-2014, 04:26 PM
I am also shown as R-V221, which is odd, given I'm DF49-- downstream from R-L21. Do FTDNA and the Genographic Project even talk to each other?

David,
If you're R-V221 I wonder how deep the changes may permeate down into the other DF49 branches. The downstream clans (=M222) (http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?3551-Geno-2-Say-What&p=60804&viewfull=1#post60804) may gather :-)
dp :-)

David Mc
12-15-2014, 08:24 PM
David,
If you're R-V221 I wonder how deep the changes may permeate down into the other DF49 branches. The downstream clans (=M222) (http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?3551-Geno-2-Say-What&p=60804&viewfull=1#post60804) may gather :-)
dp :-)

Hi David,

I'm pretty sure Geno 2.0 just had a very large hiccup. A lot of people, non-L21 included, came up as R-V221 for a while. They've corrected it and I'm back to R-L21, which is as far as the Genographic Project goes with our line.

David