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Krefter
01-01-2015, 07:56 PM
Davidski has released his most recent test West Eurasia to the public. He will also give you a PCA of west Eurasia, and show where you place. I bet if you ask, he'll put ancient genomes on the PCA and where Yamna, EHG, ENF, Bell Beaker, Corded ware, and Unetice would likely fit.

You have to pay him at least 20$ through Paypal though.


http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2014/12/crowdfunding-for-2015-new-test.html

J Man
01-01-2015, 11:40 PM
My results. I think they make a lot of sense and it looks like overall I have more hunter-gatherer genes than farmer. I count both the WHG and ANE components as hunter-gatherer components as neither of them were part of the early Neolithic farming populations that have origins in the Near East. I know that the ANE component came to Europe mainly after the Neolithic but it has it's origins among Upper Paleolithic and Mesolithic Siberian hunter-gatherers most likely so that is why I am calling it a hunter-gatherer component. So when I add my WHG and ANE scores together I actually have overall more Upper Paleolithic/Mesolithic genes from European and Siberian origin hunter-gatherers than Neolithic farmer genes which are represented by the Near_Eastern component. Interesting stuff! :D

ANE 0.143191
South_Eurasian 0.020643
Near_Eastern 0.419885
East_Eurasian 0.009484
WHG 0.398153
Oceanian 0.00822
Pygmy 0.000415
Sub-Saharan 1E-005

Lower-bound NE

ANE 0.141497
South_Eurasian 0.022145
Near_Eastern 0.386466
East_Eurasian 0.010388
WHG 0.429544
Oceanian 0.008904
Pygmy 0.001046
Sub-Saharan 1E-005

Dr_McNinja
01-02-2015, 11:41 AM
Does he have any plans to release this calculator to Gedmatch or on his blog?

Krefter
01-02-2015, 01:33 PM
Does he have any plans to release this calculator to Gedmatch or on his blog?

He said he was going to around New years, but I guess instead he did this. Maybe eventually he'll put it on GEDmatch.

Krefter
01-02-2015, 01:38 PM
My results,

ANE 12.8226
South_Eurasian 0.5797
Near_Eastern 43.1795
East_Eurasian 0.7593
WHG 40.2126
Oceanian 1.1083
Pygmy 0.3864
Sub-Saharan 0.9516

Low-bound Near eastern

ANE 12.6352
South_Eurasian 0.7288
Near_Eastern 39.7004
East_Eurasian 0.8445
WHG 43.483
Oceanian 1.1755
Pygmy 0.3991
Sub-Saharan 1.0336

My closest match in the Eurogenes database is; hungary11.

Sangarius
01-02-2015, 03:57 PM
Cool results. I wonder how the results differ from the ANE K7 test. Could you guys post your K7 results? Much appreciated.

Krefter
01-02-2015, 04:01 PM
It'd be better to compare the two spreadsheets. I do remeber I scored around 57% WHG in ANE K7, and so did J man, and our ANE K8 WHG scores are 40-43%.

Here's the ANE K7 spreadsheet

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1684wMM_ZJFoxcxJXK0jkVgeGGEVl5Nw3-Moc_IFrlOs/edit#gid=1051326962

And Here's the ANE K8 spreadsheet

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kd9Q9vFrL1Cra9ayqMYVFKXrUdnThmQJVMtjczLhoTs/edit#gid=2065345772

J Man
01-02-2015, 04:07 PM
My results,

ANE 12.8226
South_Eurasian 0.5797
Near_Eastern 43.1795
East_Eurasian 0.7593
WHG 40.2126
Oceanian 1.1083
Pygmy 0.3864
Sub-Saharan 0.9516

Low-bound Near eastern

ANE 12.6352
South_Eurasian 0.7288
Near_Eastern 39.7004
East_Eurasian 0.8445
WHG 43.483
Oceanian 1.1755
Pygmy 0.3991
Sub-Saharan 1.0336

My closest match in the Eurogenes database is; hungary11.

Your results are actually quite similar to mine. You just have slightly more Near_Eastern and WHG than I do and I have slightly more ANE than you do. I also cluster with Hungarians.

kenji.aryan
01-02-2015, 04:52 PM
It'd be better to compare the two spreadsheets. I do remeber I scored around 57% WHG in ANE K7, and so did J man, and our ANE K8 WHG scores are 40-43%.

Here's the ANE K7 spreadsheet

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1684wMM_ZJFoxcxJXK0jkVgeGGEVl5Nw3-Moc_IFrlOs/edit#gid=1051326962

And Here's the ANE K8 spreadsheet

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kd9Q9vFrL1Cra9ayqMYVFKXrUdnThmQJVMtjczLhoTs/edit#gid=2065345772

Do you have any link for west_eurasia k8 calculator?

Sangarius
01-02-2015, 05:48 PM
Do you have any link for west_eurasia k8 calculator?

Read the OP, it's not for free this time around. You have to send Polako at least 20$ and a mail with your genome, he will then send you your results.

Alternatively you can try estimating your results by comparing the K7 and K8 spreadsheets.

Sangarius
01-02-2015, 07:50 PM
I tried estimating my K8 results based on the differences of the average Turkish K7 and K8 results. Since I am quite similar to the Turkish average it worked pretty well out for me, the results look quite reasonable.
Didn't work as well for my grandparents who diverge more from the Turkish average and total around 103%.

http://abload.de/img/k8estimatesipsmy.png

BalkanKiwi
01-02-2015, 08:37 PM
ANE 0.124664
South_Eurasian 0.009161
Near_Eastern 0.426452
East_Eurasian 1E-005
WHG 0.427455
Oceanian 0.012238
Pygmy 1E-005
Sub-Saharan 1E-005




Lower bound NE

ANE 0.123208
South_Eurasian 0.011467
Near_Eastern 0.390902
East_Eurasian 1E-005
WHG 0.460834
Oceanian 0.01316
Pygmy 0.000408
Sub-Saharan 1E-005

CelticGerman
01-03-2015, 07:57 AM
I have results for my two uncles (maternal and paternal side). My own result is not yet in, but should be somewhere between my uncles.

My uncle paternal side: 43.76% WHG - 40.72% Near Eastern - 14.86% ANE - all other categories very low. He is in the southeast of Northwestern Europeans on the map (red dot).
My uncle maternal side: 49.73% WHG - 35.12% Near Eastern - 14.89% ANE - all other categories very low. He is in the north of Northwestern Europeans on the map.

This makes sense. They are both Germans from Hamburg. My uncle paternal side has around 47% known ancestry from Northern Germany. My uncle maternal side has around 96% known ancestry from Northern Germany and Denmark.
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jesus
01-03-2015, 11:48 AM
From David:

Also keep in mind that the so called Sub-Saharan cluster is mixed, and might indicate something basal as opposed to African.


ANE 0.191083
South_Eurasian 0.073173
Near_Eastern 0.639704
East_Eurasian 1E-005
WHG 0.010501
Oceanian 0.011551
Pygmy 0.014963
Sub-Saharan 0.059015


Lower bound NE

ANE 0.191025
South_Eurasian 0.071921
Near_Eastern 0.639953
East_Eurasian 1E-005
WHG 0.013593
Oceanian 0.011
Pygmy 0.014926
Sub-Saharan 0.057572

jesus
01-03-2015, 11:56 AM
http://i59.tinypic.com/2dwagdw.png


http://i60.tinypic.com/35m13c7.jpg

leonardo
01-03-2015, 02:36 PM
My results from David:
ANE 0.139593
South_Eurasian 0.000448
Near_Eastern 0.441266
East_Eurasian 0.006194
WHG 0.411821
Oceanian 1E-005
Pygmy 0.000657
Sub-Saharan 1E-005

Lower bound NE
ANE 0.137846
South_Eurasian 0.002245
Near_Eastern 0.406454
East_Eurasian 0.007249
WHG 0.444834
Oceanian 1E-005
Pygmy 0.001352
Sub-Saharan 1E-005

My mother's:
ANE 0.136721
South_Eurasian 1E-005
Near_Eastern 0.41728
East_Eurasian 0.001491
WHG 0.440436
Oceanian 1E-005
Pygmy 1E-005
Sub-Saharan 0.004042

Lower bound NE
ANE 0.134784
South_Eurasian 0.001034
Near_Eastern 0.379947
East_Eurasian 0.003265
WHG 0.475609
Oceanian 1E-005
Pygmy 1E-005
Sub-Saharan 0.005342

leonardo
01-03-2015, 02:43 PM
From gedmatch, my and my mother's Eurogenes_ANE K7 results. As you can see, there are some differences.
Mine:
Population
ANE 15.21%
ASE 1.34%
WHG-UHG 58.35%
East_Eurasian 0.99%
West_African 0.62%
East_African -
ENF 23.49%

My mother's:
Population
ANE 15.02%
ASE 1.12%
WHG-UHG 61.92%
East_Eurasian 0.81%
West_African -
East_African 1.11%
ENF 20.02%

Krefter
01-03-2015, 05:44 PM
How do I post the PCA Davidski gave me? Maybe someone can make a PCA with members of Anthrogenica?

DMXX
01-03-2015, 05:53 PM
Maybe someone can make a PCA with members of Anthrogenica?

We undertook this with Interpretome results some months back (http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?2281-Anthrogenica-community-Interpretome-chart). I lack the free time at present, but all it requires is a competent image editor (e.g. Paint.NET) and reasonable visual replication.

Krefter
01-03-2015, 05:56 PM
Me, J man, leonardo, and leonardo's mother can fit as about 50% Armenian and Mesolithic Scandinavian(Motala12) in this test, like how Yamna could be modeled as 50% Armenian and 50% Mesolithic east European. This probably means we're around as Near eastern as Yamna was, and our only difference is we have a higher WHG-ANE ratio than they did.

Theoretical
Bell Beaker: red
Corded ware: Yellow
Yamna: Red

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9o3EYTdM8lQVzl5S1ZOZ01BMTA/view

Bell Beaker is just north of us.

vettor
01-03-2015, 06:34 PM
why has otzi data, always been excluded in similar tests recently?

Krefter
01-03-2015, 06:40 PM
There are a bunch of ancient genomes Davidski has left out of his spreadsheets. He posted Otzi and C01(Hungarian or similar age)'s results once, and they were very similar and had slightly more WHG than Neolithic farmers.

jesus
01-03-2015, 08:38 PM
How do I post the PCA Davidski gave me?

Just take a screenshot of it.

ZephyrousMandaru
01-04-2015, 12:42 AM
West Eurasia K8

ANE 13.72%
SEA 2.83%
Near Eastern 80.25%
East Eurasian 0
WHG 2.29%
Oceanian 0.40%
Pygmy 0.15%
SSA 0.36%

Plots

http://imageshack.com/a/img673/3048/uJkPEV.png

http://imageshack.com/a/img537/3928/J2L8JG.png

ZephyrousMandaru
01-04-2015, 01:35 AM
Dendrogram

http://oi60.tinypic.com/2wf77o2.jpg

Krefter
01-04-2015, 01:55 AM
My score is in my signature.

http://www.anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3320&stc=1

http://www.anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3321&stc=1

jesus
01-04-2015, 02:28 AM
http://i59.tinypic.com/2dwagdw.png


http://i60.tinypic.com/35m13c7.jpg

David about my results:

Sure, on the plots you cluster best with Iranians who overlap with Abkhasians.

Your best matching populations based on the K8 results are Iranians, Azeris, Ossetians, Kurds, and Abkhasians.

Krefter
01-04-2015, 03:08 AM
Maybe Davidski can put a bunch of ancient genomes on a plot with Anthrogenica members.

J Man
01-04-2015, 05:08 AM
I have results for my two uncles (maternal and paternal side). My own result is not yet in, but should be somewhere between my uncles.

My uncle paternal side: 43.76% WHG - 40.72% Near Eastern - 14.86% ANE - all other categories very low. He is in the southeast of Northwestern Europeans on the map (red dot).
My uncle maternal side: 49.73% WHG - 35.12% Near Eastern - 14.89% ANE - all other categories very low. He is in the north of Northwestern Europeans on the map.

This makes sense. They are both Germans from Hamburg. My uncle paternal side has around 47% known ancestry from Northern Germany. My uncle maternal side has around 96% known ancestry from Northern Germany and Denmark.
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Wow your maternal uncle with most of his ancestry from Northern Germany and Denmark scores around as much WHG ancestry as Balts and Finns at 49.73%.

J Man
01-04-2015, 05:14 AM
Me, J man, leonardo, and leonardo's mother can fit as about 50% Armenian and Mesolithic Scandinavian(Motala12) in this test, like how Yamna could be modeled as 50% Armenian and 50% Mesolithic east European. This probably means we're around as Near eastern as Yamna was, and our only difference is we have a higher WHG-ANE ratio than they did.

Theoretical
Bell Beaker: red
Corded ware: Yellow
Yamna: Red

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9o3EYTdM8lQVzl5S1ZOZ01BMTA/view

Bell Beaker is just north of us.

On another forum that I am part of some people have managed to get an Oracle going for this K8 test. Here are my results below.

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Hungarian @ 1,989153
2 Moldavian @ 2,382229
3 Croatian @ 3,282455
4 Serbian_Bosnia @ 4,17076
5 Bosnian @ 4,582052
6 French @ 5,29358
7 Utah_USA @ 5,398204
8 Utah_German @ 5,875677
9 SW_English @ 5,982893
10 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 6,029166
11 SE_English @ 6,061673
12 West_Scottish @ 7,10401
13 Orcadian @ 7,213489
14 LBA_Hungary @ 7,807123
15 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,983431
16 Serbian @ 8,274124
17 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 8,636359
18 Ukrainian_Kharkov @ 9,051567
19 Utah_Scandinavian @ 9,511643
20 Norwegian @ 9,524955
163 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Estonian+Kosovar @ 1,28044
2 Bulgarian+Polish_Estonian @ 1,282779
3 Serbian+Ukrainian_Kharkov @ 1,318739
4 Croatian+Moldavian @ 1,367529
5 Serbian+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 1,463092
6 Montenegrin+Ukrainian_Kharkov @ 1,472374
7 Moldavian+Serbian_Bosnia @ 1,489366
8 Serbian+Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1,499775
9 Macedonian+Polish_Estonian @ 1,504673
10 Bosnian+Ukrainian_Lviv @ 1,507002
11 Hungarian+Moldavian @ 1,514221
12 Polish_Estonian+Romanian @ 1,515035
13 Bulgarian+Russian_Smolensk @ 1,543468
14 Belorussian+Bulgarian @ 1,599711
15 Romanian+Russian_Smolensk @ 1,612086
16 Belorussian+Romanian @ 1,625737
17 Montenegrin+Russian_Kursk @ 1,638873
18 Montenegrin+Russian_Orel @ 1,722304
19 Macedonian+Russian_Kursk @ 1,729655
20 Montenegrin+Russian_Voronez @ 1,742351
13366 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Lithuanian +25% Gokhem2 +25% Ossetian @ 0,803831
2 50% Adygei +25% French +25% Loschbour @ 0,887654
3 50% Adygei +25% LBA_Hungary +25% Loschbour @ 0,888093
4 50% Estonian +25% Gokhem2 +25% Ossetian @ 0,976488
5 50% Ukrainian_Kharkov +25% East_Sicilian +25% Polish_Estonian @ 1,044398
6 50% Serbian +25% Azeri +25% Motala12 @ 1,05282
7 50% Ukrainian_Kharkov +25% Polish_Estonian +25% West_Sicilian @ 1,054377
8 50% Montenegrin +25% Azeri +25% Motala12 @ 1,074797
9 50% Ukrainian_Kharkov +25% Kosovar +25% Moldavian @ 1,075733
10 50% Serbian_Bosnia +25% Moksha +25% Serbian_Bosnia @ 1,078831
11 50% Ukrainian_Kharkov +25% Bosnian +25% Bulgarian @ 1,08183
12 50% Moldavian +25% Estonian +25% Tuscan @ 1,084444
13 50% Ukrainian_Kharkov +25% Greek +25% Ukrainian_Kharkov @ 1,09135
14 50% Ukrainian_Kharkov +25% Central_Greek +25% Ukrainian_Kharkov @ 1,094313
15 50% Estonian +25% Serbian_Bosnia +25% South_Italian @ 1,101893
16 50% Estonian +25% Bosnian +25% East_Sicilian @ 1,10509
17 50% Estonian +25% Bosnian +25% South_Italian @ 1,106226
18 50% Serbian_Bosnia +25% Bosnian +25% Moksha @ 1,118918
19 50% Polish_Estonian +25% South_Italian +25% Ukrainian_Kharkov @ 1,119942
20 50% Ukrainian_Lviv +25% East_Sicilian +25% Estonian @ 1,133831
1258129 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Georgian_Laz+Kumyk+Loschbour+Russian_Smolensk @ 0,634553
2 Estonian+Gokhem2+Lithuanian+Ossetian @ 0,648247
3 Chechen+Kumyk+Loschbour+Spanish_Cantabria @ 0,660574
4 Armenian+Kumyk+Loschbour+Polish_Estonian @ 0,664812
5 Belorussian+Georgian_Laz+Kumyk+Loschbour @ 0,667665
6 Georgian_Laz+Kabardin+Loschbour+Russian_Smolensk @ 0,67239
7 Belorussian+Georgian_Laz+Kabardin+Loschbour @ 0,685839
8 Kabardin+Lezgin+Loschbour+Spanish_Cantabria @ 0,688949
9 Gokhem2+Kumyk+Lithuanian+Polish_Estonian @ 0,689263
10 Chechen+Kabardin+Loschbour+Spanish_Cantabria @ 0,693104
11 Bulgarian+Motala12+Ossetian+Spanish_Castilla_La_Ma ncha @ 0,705312
12 Georgian_Laz+Kabardin+Loschbour+Polish_Estonian @ 0,708511
13 Kabardin+Lezgin+Loschbour+Spanish_Aragon @ 0,716594
14 Gokhem2+Kabardin+Lithuanian+Polish_Estonian @ 0,719845
15 French+Loschbour+Tabassaran+Turkish @ 0,722897
16 Georgian_Laz+Kumyk+Loschbour+Polish @ 0,724082
17 Georgian_Laz+Kumyk+Loschbour+Swedish @ 0,730404
18 Kabardin+Lezgin+Loschbour+Spanish_Valencia @ 0,73128
19 Chechen+Kabardin+Loschbour+Spanish_Cataluna @ 0,73231
20 Gokhem2+Kumyk+Lithuanian+Russian_Smolensk @ 0,732622
21 Georgian_Laz+Kumyk+Loschbour+Polish_Estonian @ 0,73459
22 Estonian+Gokhem2+Kumyk+Swedish @ 0,740966
23 Adygei+Estonian+Iranian_Jewish+Loschbour @ 0,750731
24 Chechen+Hungarian+Loschbour+Turkish @ 0,750828
25 Armenian+Estonian+Loschbour+Ossetian @ 0,755879
26 Georgian_Laz+Kabardin+Loschbour+Polish @ 0,757019
27 Bulgarian+Motala12+Ossetian+Spanish_Andalucia @ 0,757599
28 Kumyk+Lezgin+Loschbour+Spanish_Aragon @ 0,758443
29 Balkar+Georgian_Laz+Loschbour+Polish_Estonian @ 0,76016
30 Balkar+Georgian_Laz+Loschbour+Russian_Smolensk @ 0,761316
31 Croatian+Loschbour+Tabassaran+Turkish @ 0,761358
32 Adygei+LBA_Hungary+Loschbour+Ossetian @ 0,763653
33 Belorussian+Gokhem2+Kumyk+Lithuanian @ 0,764437
34 Bulgarian+Motala12+Ossetian+Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leo n @ 0,766639
35 Azeri+Greek_Thessaly+Motala12+SW_English @ 0,769465
36 Azeri+LBA_Hungary+Loschbour+Tabassaran @ 0,77011
37 Georgian_Laz+Kabardin+Loschbour+Russian_Voronez @ 0,771245
38 Chechen+Kumyk+Loschbour+Spanish_Cataluna @ 0,773356
39 Chechen+Kumyk+Loschbour+Spanish_Valencia @ 0,775222
40 Iranian_Jewish+Lithuanian+Loschbour+North_Ossetian @ 0,781906
6184884 iterations.


Gaussian method.
Noise dispersion set to 0,676116

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Croatian @ 0,432315
2 Bosnian @ 0,764873
3 Serbian_Bosnia @ 1,016378
4 Hungarian @ 1,587376
5 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2,585027
6 SE_English @ 2,899306
7 Utah_USA @ 3,142233
8 SW_English @ 3,190567
9 Moldavian @ 3,215894
10 Serbian @ 3,257129
11 Utah_German @ 3,378726
12 Orcadian @ 3,599428
13 Norwegian @ 3,683877
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3,766304
15 French @ 3,793873
16 West_Scottish @ 3,821845
17 Montenegrin @ 3,917663
18 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,946267
19 Utah_Scandinavian @ 4,135696
20 Swedish @ 4,507415
163 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Macedonian+Russian_Smolensk @ 0,075012
2 Serbian_Bosnia+Ukrainian_Lviv @ 0,124886
3 Macedonian+Norwegian @ 0,125127
4 Macedonian+Polish_Estonian @ 0,150777
5 Macedonian+Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 0,155404
6 Montenegrin+Norwegian @ 0,155707
7 Macedonian+Swedish @ 0,156921
8 Montenegrin+Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 0,160361
9 Bosnian+SE_English @ 0,164934
10 Montenegrin+Russian_Smolensk @ 0,166041
11 Montenegrin+Ukrainian_Lviv @ 0,16781
12 Bulgarian+Norwegian @ 0,16872
13 Serbian+Ukrainian_Lviv @ 0,168744
14 Bosnian+Ukrainian_Lviv @ 0,170333
15 Norwegian+Serbian @ 0,17226
16 Hungarian+Serbian_Bosnia @ 0,17934
17 Bosnian+Norwegian @ 0,184662
18 Macedonian+Russian_Orel @ 0,184882
19 Bulgarian+Swedish @ 0,186081
20 Belorussian+Macedonian @ 0,200117
13366 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Serbian_Bosnia +25% Russian_Orel +25% Serbian_Bosnia @ 0,04472
2 50% Serbian_Bosnia +25% Bosnian +25% Russian_Orel @ 0,055113
3 50% Serbian_Bosnia +25% Croatian +25% Russian_Orel @ 0,055318
4 50% Russian_Smolensk +25% Kosovar +25% Serbian_Bosnia @ 0,056138
5 50% Serbian_Bosnia +25% Polish_Estonian +25% Serbian_Bosnia @ 0,05638
6 50% Serbian_Bosnia +25% Bosnian +25% Russian_Smolensk @ 0,056787
7 50% Serbian_Bosnia +25% Russian_Smolensk +25% Serbian_Bosnia @ 0,057555
8 50% Serbian_Bosnia +25% Russian_Smolensk +25% Serbian @ 0,059351
9 50% Serbian_Bosnia +25% Montenegrin +25% Russian_Smolensk @ 0,061968
10 50% Serbian_Bosnia +25% Bosnian +25% Polish_Estonian @ 0,064688
11 50% Serbian_Bosnia +25% Montenegrin +25% Polish_Estonian @ 0,064873
12 50% Bosnian +25% Russian_Smolensk +25% Serbian_Bosnia @ 0,065093
13 50% Serbian_Bosnia +25% Macedonian +25% Polish_Estonian @ 0,065426
14 50% Serbian_Bosnia +25% Russian_Orel +25% Serbian @ 0,065589
15 50% Serbian_Bosnia +25% Montenegrin +25% Russian_Orel @ 0,066639
16 50% Serbian_Bosnia +25% Croatian +25% Russian_Smolensk @ 0,067123
17 50% Serbian_Bosnia +25% Polish_Estonian +25% Serbian @ 0,067735
18 50% Serbian_Bosnia +25% Macedonian +25% Russian_Smolensk @ 0,06865
19 50% Serbian_Bosnia +25% Macedonian +25% Russian_Orel @ 0,068766
20 50% Serbian_Bosnia +25% Croatian +25% Polish_Estonian @ 0,068956
1787163 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Abkhasian+Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary+Russian_Orel @ 0,030844
2 Abkhasian+Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary+Polish_Estoni an @ 0,037343
3 Abkhasian+Motala12+Russian_Orel+Stuttgart @ 0,037864
4 Abkhasian+Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary+Russian_Smole nsk @ 0,040023
5 Abkhasian+Motala12+Polish_Estonian+Stuttgart @ 0,041664
6 Adygei+Motala12+Norwegian+Stuttgart @ 0,041719
7 Motala12+Norwegian+Ossetian+Stuttgart @ 0,043383
8 Chechen+Motala12+Russian_Orel+Stuttgart @ 0,043979
9 Russian_Orel+Serbian_Bosnia+Serbian_Bosnia+Serbian _Bosnia @ 0,04472
10 Abkhasian+Motala12+Russian_Smolensk+Stuttgart @ 0,045884
11 Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary+Ossetian+SE_English @ 0,046057
12 Adygei+Motala12+SE_English+Stuttgart @ 0,047477
13 Motala12+Ossetian+SE_English+Stuttgart @ 0,048555
14 Adygei+Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary+Serbian_Bosnia @ 0,048783
15 Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary+Norwegian+Ossetian @ 0,049482
16 Adygei+Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary+SE_English @ 0,050127
17 Chechen+Hungarian+Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary @ 0,052268
18 Abkhasian+Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary+Russian_Kursk @ 0,052386
19 Adygei+Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary+Norwegian @ 0,052972
20 Adygei+Motala12+Stuttgart+Ukrainian_Lviv @ 0,054237
21 Adygei+Croatian+Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary @ 0,054247
22 Adygei+Motala12+Russian_Smolensk+Stuttgart @ 0,054525
23 Bosnian+Russian_Orel+Serbian_Bosnia+Serbian_Bosnia @ 0,055113
24 Motala12+Ossetian+Stuttgart+Swedish @ 0,055285
25 Croatian+Russian_Orel+Serbian_Bosnia+Serbian_Bosni a @ 0,055318
26 Motala12+Ossetian+Polish+Stuttgart @ 0,055372
27 Chechen+Hungarian+Motala12+Stuttgart @ 0,055983
28 Kosovar+Russian_Smolensk+Russian_Smolensk+Serbian_ Bosnia @ 0,056138
29 Adygei+Motala12+Stuttgart+Swedish @ 0,056219
30 Polish_Estonian+Serbian_Bosnia+Serbian_Bosnia+Serb ian_Bosnia @ 0,05638
31 Bosnian+Russian_Smolensk+Serbian_Bosnia+Serbian_Bo snia @ 0,056787
32 Adygei+Motala12+Polish+Stuttgart @ 0,056858
33 Russian_Smolensk+Serbian_Bosnia+Serbian_Bosnia+Ser bian_Bosnia @ 0,057555
34 Adygei+Georgian_Laz+Loschbour+Norwegian @ 0,057773
35 Chechen+Motala12+Russian_Smolensk+Stuttgart @ 0,058264
36 Adygei+Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary+Ukrainian_Lviv @ 0,058354
37 Abkhasian+Estonian+Motala12+Stuttgart @ 0,059131
38 Russian_Smolensk+Serbian+Serbian_Bosnia+Serbian_Bo snia @ 0,059351
39 Kosovar+Norwegian+Russian_Orel+Serbian_Bosnia @ 0,060056
40 Adygei+Motala12+Stuttgart+Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 0,060308
17162834 iterations.

Krefter
01-04-2015, 06:49 AM
Davidski,

"IDs ANE South_Eurasian Near_Eastern East_Eurasian WHG Oceanian Pygmy Sub-Saharan
CO1 0.00001 0.00001 0.557066 0.00001 0.442874 0.00001 0.00001 0.00001
Oetzi_Iceman 0.00001 0.00001 0.682094 0.016529 0.28674 0.014598 0.00001 0.00001

And the guessed samples:

Corded_Ware 0.19 1E-005 0.35 1E-005 0.46 1E-005 1E-005 1E-005
LNE/EBA 0.14 1E-005 0.4 1E-005 0.46 1E-005 1E-005 1E-005
Yamnaya 0.26 1E-005 0.39 1E-005 0.35 1E-005 1E-005 1E-005"

Krefter
01-04-2015, 08:29 AM
The results above are higher-bound Near eastern.

WHG is pretty high in all of Europe, and is as high in copper age Hungary and Neolithic Sweden as in Basque and northern Europeans today, and so ANE seems to be what changed in Europe the most after the Neolithic.

BR2 and Basque fit very nicely as a mix of C01 and Yamna.

J Man
01-04-2015, 12:36 PM
Davidski,

"IDs ANE South_Eurasian Near_Eastern East_Eurasian WHG Oceanian Pygmy Sub-Saharan
CO1 0.00001 0.00001 0.557066 0.00001 0.442874 0.00001 0.00001 0.00001
Oetzi_Iceman 0.00001 0.00001 0.682094 0.016529 0.28674 0.014598 0.00001 0.00001

And the guessed samples:

Corded_Ware 0.19 1E-005 0.35 1E-005 0.46 1E-005 1E-005 1E-005
LNE/EBA 0.14 1E-005 0.4 1E-005 0.46 1E-005 1E-005 1E-005
Yamnaya 0.26 1E-005 0.39 1E-005 0.35 1E-005 1E-005 1E-005"

You and I both have complex mixed recent ancestry and we really are not that similar overall to Yamnaya. Yamnaya probably had ANE that was quite a bit higher than ours. You have it listed as 26% while you and I have it at much lower levels. Our WHG is also higher than what Yamnaya probably had. True our Near_Eastern scores may be similar to theirs but that is about it.

leonardo
01-04-2015, 02:53 PM
Wow your maternal uncle with most of his ancestry from Northern Germany and Denmark scores around as much WHG ancestry as Balts and Finns at 49.73%.

Scandinavian influence on both?

MfA
01-04-2015, 03:44 PM
My emulated results by using old K8 (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jNzUKGkpgsHVxAXeNCvEN7oeZIgYBLBwaHokiGqgjQ4/edit#gid=1341836533)


Old K8
17.73% ANE
3.70% ASE
68.69% ENF
0.46% East_Eurasian
8.77% WHG-UHG
0.16% Oceanian
0.15% West_African
0.34% East_African


New K8
18.39% ANE
4.01% South_Eurasian
70.64% Near_Eastern
0.46% East_Eurasian
4.19% WHG
0.26% Oceanian
0.16% Pygmy
0.36% Sub-Saharan


Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Kurdish @ 1.793205
2 Georgian_Laz @ 3.867031
3 Abkhasian @ 4.015935
4 Georgian_Imer @ 4.265849
5 Iranian @ 5.610753
6 Azeri @ 6.300383
7 Armenian @ 6.329517
8 Georgian_Jewish @ 7.982119
9 Turkish @ 9.006453
10 Iranian_Jewish @ 9.377378
11 Ossetian @ 11.097345
12 Lebanese_Muslim @ 11.174405
13 Syrian @ 12.007891
14 Iraqi_Jewish @ 12.831077
15 Adygei @ 12.945241
16 Druze @ 13.345093
17 North_Ossetian @ 14.071239
18 Balkar @ 14.450013
19 Cyprian @ 14.529179
20 Kabardin @ 15.687762
163 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Adygei+Iraqi_Jewish @ 1.584154
2 Georgian_Laz+Kurdish @ 1.709869
3 Kurdish+Kurdish @ 1.793205
4 Abkhasian+Georgian_Laz @ 1.808188
5 Iranian_Jewish+Ossetian @ 1.965194
6 Iraqi_Jewish+Ossetian @ 1.968794
7 Abkhasian+Armenian @ 1.972742
8 Chechen+Iraqi_Jewish @ 2.03617
9 Iraqi_Jewish+North_Ossetian @ 2.167748
10 Georgian_Laz+Iranian @ 2.203585
11 Azeri+Georgian_Laz @ 2.258303
12 Adygei+Iranian_Jewish @ 2.277119
13 Balkar+Iraqi_Jewish @ 2.35767
14 Georgian_Jewish+Ossetian @ 2.406183
15 Georgian_Imer+Kurdish @ 2.479763
16 Abkhasian+Georgian_Jewish @ 2.546739
17 Iraqi_Jewish+Lezgin @ 2.550397
18 Armenian+Iranian @ 2.592034
19 Abkhasian+Kurdish @ 2.687031
20 Armenian+Ossetian @ 2.691927
13366 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Armenian +25% Abkhasian +25% Ossetian @ 0.688318
2 50% Georgian_Laz +25% Georgian_Laz +25% Ossetian @ 0.749003
3 50% Georgian_Laz +25% Chechen +25% Iranian_Jewish @ 0.806393
4 50% Georgian_Jewish +25% Georgian_Imer +25% Lezgin @ 0.82118
5 50% Armenian +25% Kurdish +25% Ossetian @ 0.859881
6 50% Georgian_Laz +25% Iraqi_Jewish +25% Tabassaran @ 0.860914
7 50% Georgian_Laz +25% Iranian_Jewish +25% Lezgin @ 0.886188
8 50% Georgian_Jewish +25% Chechen +25% Georgian_Imer @ 0.909101
9 50% Georgian_Jewish +25% Abkhasian +25% Adygei @ 0.956445
10 50% Iranian_Jewish +25% Abkhasian +25% Chechen @ 0.95934
11 50% Armenian +25% Adygei +25% Kurdish @ 0.965486
12 50% Iranian_Jewish +25% Georgian_Laz +25% Tabassaran @ 0.989167
13 50% Georgian_Laz +25% Armenian +25% Ossetian @ 0.992179
14 50% Armenian +25% Adygei +25% Georgian_Imer @ 1.006324
15 50% Iraqi_Jewish +25% Abkhasian +25% Tabassaran @ 1.011439
16 50% Armenian +25% Balkar +25% Georgian_Imer @ 1.020511
17 50% Georgian_Jewish +25% Abkhasian +25% Ossetian @ 1.021024
18 50% Armenian +25% Chechen +25% Georgian_Imer @ 1.060017
19 50% Georgian_Laz +25% Chechen +25% Georgian_Jewish @ 1.070863
20 50% Kurdish +25% Adygei +25% Iraqi_Jewish @ 1.073745
502862 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Chechen+Georgian_Laz+Iraqi_Jewish+Kurdish @ 0.604881
2 Abkhasian+Armenian+Chechen+Iraqi_Jewish @ 0.632767
3 Armenian+Iraqi_Jewish+Kurdish+Lezgin @ 0.688291
4 Abkhasian+Armenian+Armenian+Ossetian @ 0.688318
5 Abkhasian+Armenian+Georgian_Jewish+Ossetian @ 0.705855
6 Abkhasian+Georgian_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+Lezgin @ 0.725942
7 Abkhasian+Adygei+Armenian+Iranian_Jewish @ 0.737545
8 Georgian_Laz+Georgian_Laz+Georgian_Laz+Ossetian @ 0.749003
9 Armenian+Chechen+Iranian_Jewish+Kurdish @ 0.767326
10 Armenian+Georgian_Laz+Kurdish+Ossetian @ 0.782044
11 Georgian_Laz+Iraqi_Jewish+Kurdish+Lezgin @ 0.7846
12 Adygei+Georgian_Laz+Iranian_Jewish+Kurdish @ 0.795797
13 Abkhasian+Armenian+Iraqi_Jewish+Lezgin @ 0.805664
14 Chechen+Georgian_Laz+Georgian_Laz+Iranian_Jewish @ 0.806393
15 Abkhasian+Adygei+Georgian_Laz+Iraqi_Jewish @ 0.817568
16 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Jewish+Georgian_Jewish+Lezg in @ 0.82118
17 Abkhasian+Chechen+Georgian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish @ 0.828748
18 Abkhasian+Chechen+Georgian_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish @ 0.838142
19 Armenian+Chechen+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Jewish @ 0.845663
20 Georgian_Jewish+Georgian_Laz+Kurdish+Ossetian @ 0.850672
21 Armenian+Georgian_Imer+Iraqi_Jewish+Tabassaran @ 0.859217
22 Armenian+Armenian+Kurdish+Ossetian @ 0.859881
23 Georgian_Laz+Georgian_Laz+Iraqi_Jewish+Tabassaran @ 0.860914
24 Georgian_Laz+Georgian_Laz+Iranian_Jewish+Lezgin @ 0.886188
25 Abkhasian+Georgian_Jewish+Georgian_Laz+Ossetian @ 0.8867
26 Armenian+Georgian_Laz+Iranian_Jewish+Tabassaran @ 0.897537
27 Armenian+Georgian_Laz+Iranian_Jewish+Lezgin @ 0.897786
28 Abkhasian+Adygei+Armenian+Georgian_Jewish @ 0.905953
29 Georgian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish+Kurdish+Lezgin @ 0.906255
30 Chechen+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Jewish+Georgian_Jew ish @ 0.909101
31 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish+Tabas saran @ 0.911458
32 Armenian+Chechen+Georgian_Imer+Iranian_Jewish @ 0.911801
33 Adygei+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Jewish+Georgian_Laz @ 0.912043
34 Armenian+Iraqi_Jewish+Kurdish+Tabassaran @ 0.918109
35 Abkhasian+Iranian_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+Tabassaran @ 0.922574
36 Abkhasian+Adygei+Georgian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish @ 0.92309
37 Abkhasian+Chechen+Georgian_Laz+Iraqi_Jewish @ 0.945674
38 Armenian+Iranian_Jewish+Kurdish+Lezgin @ 0.947963
39 Abkhasian+Adygei+Georgian_Jewish+Georgian_Jewish @ 0.956445
40 Abkhasian+Chechen+Iranian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish @ 0.95934
289102 iterations.

J Man
01-04-2015, 04:54 PM
Scandinavian influence on both?

Possibly....Denmark is part of Scandinavia.

CelticGerman
01-04-2015, 05:10 PM
Wow your maternal uncle with most of his ancestry from Northern Germany and Denmark scores around as much WHG ancestry as Balts and Finns at 49.73%.

Yes, surprising indeed. The 3% of his known ancestry from Denmark (Tonder area close to the German border, but real Danish surnames) cannot explain this. There must be a stronger nordic influence I am not aware of. His Y haplogroup is I1-L22 by the way. GEDmatch calculators give different results, but always quite nordic (Eurogenes K13: Swedish 2.52/Norwegian 4.01/North German 5.25/Danish 5.32 - Eurogenes V2 K15: North German 5.29/ Danish 6.22 - Eurogenes EUtest: South&Central Swedish 3.9/NO 4.22/DK 6.03 - MDLP K23b: North German/Dane - Dodecad K12b: German/Norwegian/Swedish). FTDNA Ethnic Makeup: 67% Scandinavia/24% Eastern Europe/10% British Isles (nothing else). Doug McDonald: "this really does look Irish! Or maybe some sort of scandinavian"/spot on the map was close to East Anglia.

CelticGerman
01-04-2015, 05:22 PM
Here is my own result. Just between my uncle's results (more to the left however).3322

vettor
01-04-2015, 05:32 PM
Dendrogram

http://oi60.tinypic.com/2wf77o2.jpg

how does this justify certain groupings ?, like

french with bosnians

north-italians with canary islands ( atlantic ocean area )

and a few more

jeanL
01-04-2015, 08:15 PM
BR2 and Basque fit very nicely as a mix of C01 and Yamna.

I don't recall the numbers for BR2, but I can tell you that Basques cannot be fitted as a mixture of CO1 and Yamma.

CO1 as listed above is Near_Eastern: 55.7066%, WHG: 44.2874%, and ANE: 0%
Yamnaya if inferred to be: Near_Eastern: 39.00%, WHG: 35.00%, and ANE: 26%

The Basque_French(n=21) averages for the higher-bound Near Eastern are:

Near_Eastern: 47.4216% (Min: 44.2158%-Max:50.1376%)
WHG: 45.8061%(Min: 43.5222%-Max:48.5353%)
ANE: 5.9517% (Min: 4.2301%-Max:7.3805%)

The Spanish_Pais_Vasco(n=8) averages for the higher-bound Near Eastern are:

Near_Eastern: 47.3770% (Min: 46.0361%-Max:49.7027%)
WHG: 44.9231%(Min: 44.4471%-Max:46.1506%)
ANE: 6.7214% (Min: 5.5591%-Max:7.4071%)

Do you see the problem?

Sangarius
01-04-2015, 09:13 PM
My emulated results by using old K8 (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jNzUKGkpgsHVxAXeNCvEN7oeZIgYBLBwaHokiGqgjQ4/edit#gid=1341836533)

Cool, I didn't know there was an older K8 version. How did you emulate the results? Just wondering if you used the same method as me.

Krefter
01-04-2015, 09:19 PM
I don't recall the numbers for BR2, but I can tell you that Basques cannot be fitted as a mixture of CO1 and Yamma.

CO1 as listed above is Near_Eastern: 55.7066%, WHG: 44.2874%, and ANE: 0%
Yamnaya if inferred to be: Near_Eastern: 39.00%, WHG: 35.00%, and ANE: 26%

The Basque_French(n=21) averages for the higher-bound Near Eastern are:

Near_Eastern: 47.4216% (Min: 44.2158%-Max:50.1376%)
WHG: 45.8061%(Min: 43.5222%-Max:48.5353%)
ANE: 5.9517% (Min: 4.2301%-Max:7.3805%)

The Spanish_Pais_Vasco(n=8) averages for the higher-bound Near Eastern are:

Near_Eastern: 47.3770% (Min: 46.0361%-Max:49.7027%)
WHG: 44.9231%(Min: 44.4471%-Max:46.1506%)
ANE: 6.7214% (Min: 5.5591%-Max:7.4071%)

Do you see the problem?

Yes, but WHG varies in late Neolithic and copper age samples. What C01 and Gok2 show is that WHG was very high in some pre-IE west Europeans, and late-hunter gatherers(like Ajv58) and pre-IE farmers with even more WHG can explain modern levals, not Indo Europeans.

Modern ANE levals can't be explained by anything else but heavy gene flow from eastern Europe in the bronze age. Samara Yamna samples are the best proxies we have for the people who are the main source of most ANE in western Europe.

jeanL
01-04-2015, 09:33 PM
Modern ANE levals can't be explained by anything else but heavy gene flow from eastern Europe in the bronze age. Samara Yamna samples are the best proxies we have for the people who are the main source of most ANE in western Europe.

Check this out:

http://www.anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3324&d=1420407180

3324

http://www.anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3325&d=1420407499

3325

Krefter
01-04-2015, 09:49 PM
I can fit as half Assyrian and half SHG, but that doesn't mean I am. Laz tried to fit Europeans as Motala 12+Stuttgart, but could only do so with Sardinians and Basque.

This means most Europeans get their ANE from a source which had over 20% ANE, and probably lived east of Scandinavia(like the steppe).

We have two separate sample sets one from Luxembourg-Germany and Hungary, with samples ranging from the Mesolithic-bronze age, and both tell the same story, ANE arrived in the bronze age.

Krefter
01-04-2015, 09:55 PM
You and I both have complex mixed recent ancestry and we really are not that similar overall to Yamnaya. Yamnaya probably had ANE that was quite a bit higher than ours. You have it listed as 26% while you and I have it at much lower levels. Our WHG is also higher than what Yamnaya probably had. True our Near_Eastern scores may be similar to theirs but that is about it.

In terms of evolution is 10,000 years really that long? Yamna being from 3,000BC and us being from 2015AD, might mean very little, because we're a mix of the same stone age populations. We have around as much Near eastern as they did, and our only difference is they had over 10% more ANE than us, and we have close to 10% more WHG than they had. We're closer to them than most Europeans are.

Until someone finds out how to distinguish ANE, WHG, and near eastern by region, we're pretty similar to Yamna. We're more similar to them than we're to Sardinians, and other west Eurasians.

jeanL
01-04-2015, 10:13 PM
I can fit as half Assyrian and half SHG, but that doesn't mean I am. Laz tried to fit Europeans as Motala 12+Stuttgart, but could only do so with Sardinians and Basque.

This means most Europeans get their ANE from a source which had over 20% ANE, and probably lived east of Scandinavia(like the steppe).

We have two separate sample sets one from Luxembourg-Germany and Hungary, with samples ranging from the Mesolithic-bronze age, and both tell the same story, ANE arrived in the bronze age.

Couple of key points:

Assyrians are a modern day ethnicity. Stuttgart and Motala12 are ancient samples, the possibility of Basques descending from a population that was Motala-like and another one that was Stuttgart-like is far greater than you being a mixture of Assyrians and SHG knowing your family history.

Sardinians cannot be fitted as mixture of Motala-12 and Stuttgart, see the figure above, they can be fitted as a mixture of Loschbour and Stuttgart.

Krefter
01-04-2015, 10:34 PM
Couple of key points:

Assyrians are a modern day ethnicity. Stuttgart and Motala12 are ancient samples, the possibility of Basques descending from a population that was Motala-like and another one that was Stuttgart-like is far greater than you being a mixture of Assyrians and SHG knowing your family history.

Sardinians cannot be fitted as mixture of Motala-12 and Stuttgart, see the figure above, they can be fitted as a mixture of Loschbour and Stuttgart.

Laz was able to fit Sardinians as such.

All evidence suggests ANE in western Europe largely descends from bronze age east Europeans. No hunter gatherers or farmers in west Europe had ANE. Scandnavia, and maybe Germany, and east of there were the only places ANE existed in Europe. Motala12 has to much WHG to be the source of ANE in pretty much all Europeans and modern Caucasins have to much Near eastern, so the place to look is east of Scandinavia and north of the Caucasus(steppe).

jeanL
01-04-2015, 11:03 PM
Laz was able to fit Sardinians as such.

All evidence suggests ANE in western Europe largely descends from bronze age east Europeans. No hunter gatherers or farmers in west Europe had ANE. Scandnavia, and maybe Germany, and east of there were the only places ANE existed in Europe. Motala12 has to much WHG to be the source of ANE in pretty much all Europeans and modern Caucasins have to much Near eastern, so the place to look is east of Scandinavia and north of the Caucasus(steppe).

Last I recall Sardinians were per figure-S14.9 ~79% EEF(Stuttgart), 21% WHG(Loschbour). Yeah I found it in Figure-S14.10 Sardinians 88%EEF(Stuttgart), 12% SHG(Motala). Also I'm not talking about all Western Europeans, I'm talking about Basques, who according to the PCA above can be fitted as a mixture of Motala12 with Stuttgart. Also I would hold on the conclusion that no Western Hunter Gatherer had ANE, namely because Mesolithic Europeans were highly mobile, thus far we can say that Loschbour, La Braña do not have ANE, although it would be nice to see the results of La Braña in the latest test.

BalkanKiwi
01-04-2015, 11:53 PM
ANE 0.124664
South_Eurasian 0.009161
Near_Eastern 0.426452
East_Eurasian 1E-005
WHG 0.427455
Oceanian 0.012238
Pygmy 1E-005
Sub-Saharan 1E-005




Lower bound NE

ANE 0.123208
South_Eurasian 0.011467
Near_Eastern 0.390902
East_Eurasian 1E-005
WHG 0.460834
Oceanian 0.01316
Pygmy 0.000408
Sub-Saharan 1E-005

Out of interest, here are my plot charts:

Krefter
01-05-2015, 12:47 AM
jeanL, there's a very low chance any Mesolithic HGs in west Europe had ANE. We also have K01 from Hungary, who had no obvious signs of ANE. Plus we have pre-IE genomes from Hungary ranging from the Neolithic-copper age, then there's Otzi and Gok2. With all the samples we have in time and space in pre-IE west Europe, not one had any ANE.

Suddenly ANE appeares in every bronze age sample we have so far, and bronze age samples look very modern, suggesting ANE came to west Europe with a eastern migration during the bronze age, and wasn't hiding in forests and suddenly appeared and rose to take up 15% of western genomes.

Because of the sample set we have there's a very slightly chance any significant ANE in west Europe is native.

I do agree with you that Baltic HGs had alot of ANE(15-30%) and contributed alot of ANE and WHG to modern Europeans, but Yamna-types are probably the main source.

parasar
01-05-2015, 01:29 AM
jeanL, there's a very low chance any Mesolithic HGs in west Europe had ANE. We also have K01 from Hungary, who had no obvious signs of ANE. Plus we have pre-IE genomes from Hungary ranging from the Neolithic-copper age, then there's Otzi and Gok2. With all the samples we have in time and space in pre-IE west Europe, not one had any ANE.

Suddenly ANE appeares in every bronze age sample we have so far, and bronze age samples look very modern, suggesting ANE came to west Europe with a eastern migration during the bronze age, and wasn't hiding in forests and suddenly appeared and rose to take up 15% of western genomes.

Because of the sample set we have there's a very slightly chance any significant ANE in west Europe is native.

I do agree with you that Baltic HGs had alot of ANE(15-30%) and contributed alot of ANE and WHG to modern Europeans, but Yamna-types are probably the main source.

There is nothing in west Europe that is native if we extend the statute of limitations on nativeness!
WHG and ANE share a lot of common ancestry with ancestral WHG being a component of ANE.

Generalissimo
01-05-2015, 01:57 AM
Also I would hold on the conclusion that no Western Hunter Gatherer had ANE, namely because Mesolithic Europeans were highly mobile, thus far we can say that Loschbour, La Braña do not have ANE, although it would be nice to see the results of La Braña in the latest test.

All continental European samples from the late Mesolithic to the Copper Age slide almost perfectly along the WHG-Stuttgart-ENF cline, so if we see any ANE from pre-Copper Age continental Europe, it'll surely have to be an isolated case of, say, a Scandinavian hunter-gatherer drifting south by pure chance on a canoe after chasing a seal, if they had canoes back then that is.


WHG and ANE share a lot of common ancestry with ancestral WHG being a component of ANE.

That's just nonsense. WHG looks very much like a component that formed in the Franco-Cantabrian LGM refuge, and if so then it's native to Western Europe since it didn't exist anywhere prior to that.

And I certainly wouldn't describe WHG as a component of ANE. It's probably more correct to describe both as components of Kostenki14.

alan
01-05-2015, 02:29 AM
Last I recall Sardinians were per figure-S14.9 ~79% EEF(Stuttgart), 21% WHG(Loschbour). Yeah I found it in Figure-S14.10 Sardinians 88%EEF(Stuttgart), 12% SHG(Motala). Also I'm not talking about all Western Europeans, I'm talking about Basques, who according to the PCA above can be fitted as a mixture of Motala12 with Stuttgart. Also I would hold on the conclusion that no Western Hunter Gatherer had ANE, namely because Mesolithic Europeans were highly mobile, thus far we can say that Loschbour, La Braña do not have ANE, although it would be nice to see the results of La Braña in the latest test.

I greatly doubt ANE did more than extend into Ukraine parts of Russia, the Baltic, Scandinavia and perhaps north Germany. At a push I could see a trickle reach Holland late in the Mesolithic. It seems to me eastern influences likely to bring ANE are detectable in that zone c. 9000 but not beyond. In the Mesolithic the very wide cultural groups seen in the late upper Palaeolithic cease to exist, the area is heavily forested and cultural traits got more localised and the concept of extremely wide mobility is no longer valid.

alan
01-05-2015, 02:41 AM
Its clear as day WHG was what was in the western refugia and probably most of its spread across Europe with the cultures derived from the Magdallenian. My only uncertainty is if WHG ONLY existed in the western refugia in the LGM or whether it or something very close to it was also present in the groups in Italy, the Balkans and Ukraine which were different from the Magdallenian groups and seem to be Gravettian derived. Those areas never during the HG era were settled by Franco-Cantabrian Magdallenian derived cultures. So, IMO it remains unknown what their genetic signature was. We would need pre-farming ancient DNA from those areas dating to the 30000-9000BC sort of era to know.

jeanL
01-05-2015, 03:06 AM
Delete_duplicate

Generalissimo
01-05-2015, 03:28 AM
Yes, they can, but there's no evidence of this specific admixture event you describe, but rather of a different one that produced the same effect.

jeanL
01-05-2015, 03:31 AM
Point is Basques can be nicely bounded as Motala12+Sardinians. Motala12+Stuttgart goes right through them, see here:

http://www.anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3325&d=1420407499

Here is another PCA with NE1, Oetzi and CO1, as it can be seen the combinations Motala12+NE1, and Motala12+Oetzi also produces Basque like individuals:

http://www.anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3328&d=1420427196

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jeanL
01-05-2015, 03:46 AM
Now take the inferred Yamma admixtures:

ANE 26% ENF: 39% WHG:35%

Now supposed that was the only source of ANE to the Basques, let see what the other population had to look like:

The Basque_French(n=21) averages for the higher-bound Near Eastern are:

Near_Eastern: 47.4216% (Min: 44.2158%-Max:50.1376%)
WHG: 45.8061%(Min: 43.5222%-Max:48.5353%)
ANE: 5.9517% (Min: 4.2301%-Max:7.3805%)

The main issue here is the ANE, which means that assuming all the ANE comes from there, Basque_French(n=21) are Yamma_derived on average:

Yamma_percentage:22.8912%(Min: 16.2696%-Max: 28.3865%)

Now taking the average values for WHG and ENF as to simplify the analysis, the required population percentage for the other parental population would be:

Other_population_WHG_percentage: 49.5413%(Min_Yamma:49.4059% - Max_Yamma:49.6677%)

Other_population_ENF_percentage: 50.4587%(Min_Yamma:50.5941% - Max_Yamma:50.3323%)

Repeating the same analysis for Spanish_Pais_Vasco:

The Spanish_Pais_Vasco(n=8) averages for the higher-bound Near Eastern are:

Near_Eastern: 47.3770% (Min: 46.0361%-Max:49.7027%)
WHG: 44.9231%(Min: 44.4471%-Max:46.1506%)
ANE: 6.7214% (Min: 5.5591%-Max:7.4071%)

The main issue here is the ANE, which means that assuming all the ANE comes from there, Spanish_Pais_Vasco(n=8) are Yamma_derived on average:

Yamma_percentage:26.1069%(Min: 21.8488%-Max: 28.5727%)

Now taking the average values for WHG and ENF as to simplify the analysis, the required population percentage for the other parental population would be:

Other_population_WHG_percentage: 49.0297%(Min_Yamma:48.9549% - Max_Yamma:49.0772%)

Other_population_ENF_percentage: 50.9703%(Min_Yamma:51.0451% - Max_Yamma:50.9228%)


So we are looking on average that the Basques are a mixture of a ~23% to~26% of a population that was Yamma-like, and then ~74-77% of a population that was ~49% WHG and ~51% ENF. Somebody like Gohkem2 would do the trick, however Oetzi, NE1, CO1 wouldn't do the trick. Perhaps there is some ancient connections between the ancestors of the Basques and those of Gohkem2. Is there any evidence of such admixture event. Anyhow, I'll wait until we get ancient DNA from the Basque region sequenced.

parasar
01-05-2015, 03:53 AM
All continental European samples from the late Mesolithic to the Copper Age slide almost perfectly along the WHG-Stuttgart-ENF cline, so if we see any ANE from pre-Copper Age continental Europe, it'll surely have to be an isolated case of, say, a Scandinavian hunter-gatherer drifting south by pure chance on a canoe after chasing a seal, if they had canoes back then that is.



WHG and ANE share a lot of common ancestry with ancestral WHG being a component of ANE.

That's just nonsense. WHG looks very much like a component that formed in the Franco-Cantabrian LGM refuge, and if so then it's native to Western Europe since it didn't exist anywhere prior to that.

And I certainly wouldn't describe WHG as a component of ANE. It's probably more correct to describe both as components of Kostenki14.

Perhaps you missed the ancestral part.

Krefter
01-05-2015, 04:20 AM
jeanL, with Hungarian genomes we can watch the creation of a Basque-like population. C01 had slightly less WHG than Gok2, and then BR1+2 had around as much ANE-WHG-ENF as Basque.

But IEs didn't stay pure all the way to Iberia. By the time they got to Iberia they would have resembled central-NW Euros. So Basque probably have even more IE blood in those terms, and over 20% straight from Yamna.

jeanL
01-05-2015, 05:26 AM
jeanL, with Hungarian genomes we can watch the creation of a Basque-like population. C01 had slightly less WHG than Gok2, and then BR1+2 had around as much ANE-WHG-ENF as Basque.

But IEs didn't stay pure all the way to Iberia. By the time they got to Iberia they would have resembled central-NW Euros. So Basque probably have even more IE blood in those terms, and over 20% straight from Yamna.

None of the Hungarians Neolithic/Copper Age Genomes are a fit for the creation of the Basques, CO1 has too low WHG and too high ENF, again the other population would need to be 51% ENF, 49% WHG, only Gohkem2 fits the profile right now.

BTW here are BR2 K8 scores:

LBA_Hungary BR2 0.096173 0.000767 0.439599 0.00001 0.454432 0.004784 0.002308 0.001928

The Basque_French(n=21) averages for the higher-bound Near Eastern are:

Near_Eastern: 47.4216% (Min: 44.2158%-Max:50.1376%)
WHG: 45.8061%(Min: 43.5222%-Max:48.5353%)
ANE: 5.9517% (Min: 4.2301%-Max:7.3805%)

The Spanish_Pais_Vasco(n=8) averages for the higher-bound Near Eastern are:

Near_Eastern: 47.3770% (Min: 46.0361%-Max:49.7027%)
WHG: 44.9231%(Min: 44.4471%-Max:46.1506%)
ANE: 6.7214% (Min: 5.5591%-Max:7.4071%)


Sure WHG is about the same, yet ENF is lower, and ANE is much higher, so no BR1+2 do not have the same ratio of ANE-WHG-ENF as Basques.

Krefter
01-05-2015, 05:40 AM
jeanL, it doesn't have to be exact.C01, Otzi, and Gok2 reveal WHG varied in west Europe 5,000 years ago.

BR1+2 are very similar to Basque, they place inbetween Basque and NW Euros.

We can confidential say ANE came into west Europe mostly during the bronze age, from eastern Europe, and that the Yamna described by laz is a pretty good fit.

This really isn't very complicated. If not Yamna-types, then no one did. We have a very good idea who brought ANE to west Europe, the biggest mystery is what the natives were like, and how they varied.

jeanL
01-05-2015, 05:53 AM
jeanL, it doesn't have to be exact.C01, Otzi, and Gok2 reveal WHG varied in west Europe 5,000 years ago.

BR1+2 are very similar to Basque, they place inbetween Basque and NW Euros.


CO1 is not from Western Europe, so not sure what he has to do with it, and as I said multiple times already you need 49% WHG to get anything to work with Basques, only Gohkem2 fits the criteria, Oetzi has even lower WHG than CO1, and CO1 has about the same amount of WHG as Basques. BR2 ANE is far to high to be similar to Basques.

Krefter
01-05-2015, 07:03 AM
CO1 is not from Western Europe, so not sure what he has to do with it, and as I said multiple times already you need 49% WHG to get anything to work with Basques, only Gohkem2 fits the criteria, Oetzi has even lower WHG than CO1, and CO1 has about the same amount of WHG as Basques. BR2 ANE is far to high to be similar to Basques.

C01 and Gok2 can be labeled as being apart of the same genetic region 5,000 years ago. We shouldn't get caught up on regional definitions. Gok2 lived all the way up in Sweden, yet we are relating her to people who lived the Basque country.

Like I said before it doesn't have to be exact, just in the ball park.

CWC, BB, and N euros have WHG that can't be explained by Gok2 or Yamna, and so extra hunter gatherer ancestry(there were still very WHG-type people running around 5,000YBP), could be why. The IEs who gave Basque ANE may have had HG ancestry, along with Gok2 and Yamna-type ancestry, which can explain Basque stayed high in WHG.

C01 only had 4% more ANE than Basque. He had less than French and central Europeans, and only a little more than Spanish. It isn't much of a difference. Basque are more similar to BR2 than they are to about all modern Europeans.

R.Rocca
01-05-2015, 01:26 PM
Regardless of where modern Iberian samples fall, it seems like we'll soon have evidence that the same autosomal DNA pattern we've seen for Central Europe will hold true for Iberia...

TRACING THE GENETIC HISTORY OF FARMING POPULATIONS OF EL PORTALÓN CAVE IN THE SIERRA DE ATAPUERCA, SPAIN
http://www.burgos2014uispp.com/readcontents.php?file=webstructure/abstracts_book.pdf

Five of the 10 individuals analysed have not yielded sufficient coverage for genomic analysis. We present low coverage genomic sequences (average depth between 0.2 and 1%) of five early Iberian farmers dated to between 4,000 and 5,000 years old, from El Portalón. These individuals display a similar pattern to that observed for central and northern European farmers and all show genetic similarities to modern-day southern Europeans, particularly to Sardinians, in contrast to the recently published 7,000 year old hunter-gatherer from near-by La Brana in Spain.

So, Scandinavian-like WHG dominated pre-farming Iberia. Near Eastern farmers then mixed with the Iberian hunter-gatherers, and from 3,000-2,000 BC, Iberians resembled Neolithic Central Europeans and modern day Sardinians. The Mesolithic and Neolithic patterns are so similar between Iberia and Central Europe that there is no reason to suspect that Basques weren't involved in the same pan-European changes that occurred during the Late Copper Age/Early Bronze Age.

Salkin
01-05-2015, 01:46 PM
Got my results from Davidski this morning:


ANE 0.14565
South_Eurasian 0.011579
Near_Eastern 0.362397
East_Eurasian 1E-005
WHG 0.479913
Oceanian 1E-005
Pygmy 1E-005
Sub-Saharan 0.000432




Lower bound NE

ANE 0.144036
South_Eurasian 0.014668
Near_Eastern 0.322538
East_Eurasian 1E-005
WHG 0.516656
Oceanian 1E-005
Pygmy 1E-005
Sub-Saharan 0.002072

3329

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yxc
01-05-2015, 02:53 PM
We can confidential say ANE came into west Europe mostly during the bronze age, from eastern Europe, and that the Yamna described by laz is a pretty good fit.

This really isn't very complicated. If not Yamna-types, then no one did.

what if high% ANE had without leaving genetical traces once and fast intruded via northern plains in Holocene as west as Creswellian and Doggerland with really R1b plus their 'own U i.e.U2e , U4. with who the Motola Swedes had came in contact with.
Doggerland must had been cut off from Holland right at the time when there were first G2a agriculturists in northern lower Saxony and Holland Rhineland.

yxc
01-05-2015, 03:24 PM
what if high% ANE had without leaving genetical traces once and fast intruded in Holocene Doggerland with really R1b
I shouldn't said R1b! Q perhaps brought 12,000 years ago first ANE to North Sea coast

jeanL
01-05-2015, 03:25 PM
So, Scandinavian-like WHG dominated pre-farming Iberia. Near Eastern farmers then mixed with the Iberian hunter-gatherers, and from 3,000-2,000 BC, Iberians resembled Neolithic Central Europeans and modern day Sardinians. The Mesolithic and Neolithic patterns are so similar between Iberia and Central Europe that there is no reason to suspect that Basques weren't involved in the same pan-European changes that occurred during the Late Copper Age/Early Bronze Age.

Well for starters there were no Scandinavian-like WHG in pre-farming Iberia, La Braña, just like Loschbour lacked ANE, unlike the Scandinavian HGs. Second I would hold drawing conclusions from a single genome from the late-Mesolithic context(i.e. La Braña). Third you want a reason to suspect that Basques could have been different even in that time, well none of the Portalon individuals was Lactose tolerant, none of the individuals from Treilles were Lactose tolerant, yet individuals from the Basque periphery burial of SJAPL are already lactose tolerant, to me that suggest a different population in the region.

@Krefter is not about being exact, is just that there is no scenario where a farmer population with the same WHG percentage as modern day Basques mixes with another population with lower WHG, to produce the same amount of WHG, the math doesn't add up. As I said the Gohkem individuals are the ones that fit the bill. What's more is a lot easier to obtain Basques by mixing Motala-like populations with Stuttgart-like populations or Oetzi-like populations than to jump through several hoops to get the Basque profile from Yamma.

yxc
01-05-2015, 04:24 PM
Doggerland must had been cut off from Holland right at the time when there were first G2a agriculturists in northern lower Saxony and Holland Rhineland.
very uneducated post !
Doggerland was land with Holland Friesland last time when sea level was ~100ft lower in Younger Dryas ~12000
Holland and Norfolk were inter passable during low tide maybe untill ~8000BP

J Man
01-05-2015, 09:25 PM
In terms of evolution is 10,000 years really that long? Yamna being from 3,000BC and us being from 2015AD, might mean very little, because we're a mix of the same stone age populations. We have around as much Near eastern as they did, and our only difference is they had over 10% more ANE than us, and we have close to 10% more WHG than they had. We're closer to them than most Europeans are.

Until someone finds out how to distinguish ANE, WHG, and near eastern by region, we're pretty similar to Yamna. We're more similar to them than we're to Sardinians, and other west Eurasians.

When you think of it that way this is actually pretty cool. So based on our results we are indeed closer to Yamnaya people that pretty much all other European alive today?...If so basically it is kind of a coincidence that our ancestral combinations just happen to look similar to the ancestors of the Yamnaya people. We have similar types of stone age ancestors. Although of course we both probably have some sort of direct Yamnaya ancestry as well.

Krefter
01-05-2015, 09:42 PM
jeanL, Basque can fit as a mix of N Europeans and something south of Gok2. Also, they can fit as a mix of Gok2 and theoretical Yamna(as can BR2).

Besides maybe in Sardinia there isn't a single human being in all of west Europe who lacks ANE, and every 5,000 year old sample from Germany, Sweden, Hungary, North Italy, and probably Iberia(you would think they'd mention ANE in the abstract) lacked ANE. There was a widespread change, which can't be explained by poor sampling or minority populations with something over 20% ANE, that united to spread their genes.

It can only be explained by immigration from eastern Europe.

SwampThing27
01-05-2015, 09:43 PM
I just donated and sent in my raw data, so hopefully will have some results to post in a day or two.

yxc
01-05-2015, 09:58 PM
why all of you think Yamnaya were R1b . I think they were R1a.
R1b were rather on Cyprus since earliest neolithic and spread maritime from there.

Krefter
01-05-2015, 10:04 PM
When you think of it that way this is actually pretty cool. So based on our results we are indeed closer to Yamnaya people that pretty much all other European alive today?...If so basically it is kind of a coincidence that our ancestral combinations just happen to look similar to the ancestors of the Yamnaya people. We have similar types of stone age ancestors. Although of course we both probably have some sort of direct Yamnaya ancestry as well.

Davidski might get mad about me saying this but I think we might be overall more similar to Yamna than east Europeans are, even though we're ethnic mutts. That is unless ANE and recent common ancestry don't make a big effect, because they're probably over 50% Yamna and only have around 8% less ANE.

It's hard to say who's the most similar to theoretical Yamna. North Europeans have to much WHG, south Europeans have to much Near eastern, and central Europeans have a similar Near eastern/WHG ratio and significant ANE, so maybe they're the closest. My guess is that the closest Yamna relative is going to be found somewhere around the Baltic, south of Poland, or in the Urals.

IR1(Iron age Hungarian)'s genome is the closest thing we have to Yamna as of far. He had the same WHG/Near eastern ratio as we do(and central Europeans), but as much ANE as NE Europeans.

yxc
01-05-2015, 10:09 PM
sorry . Yamnaya maybe were not even much R1a but had such as J and L,T

J Man
01-06-2015, 01:04 AM
sorry . Yamnaya maybe were not even much R1a but had such as J and L,T

You think Y-DNA haplogroup J was present among the Yamnaya people?

Scarlet Ibis
01-06-2015, 01:05 AM
very uneducated post !
Doggerland was land with Holland Friesland last time when sea level was ~100ft lower in Younger Dryas ~12000
Holland and Norfolk were inter passable during low tide maybe untill ~8000BP

Sorry, but are you talking to yourself here?

J Man
01-06-2015, 01:07 AM
Davidski might get mad about me saying this but I think we might be overall more similar to Yamna than east Europeans are, even though we're ethnic mutts. That is unless ANE and recent common ancestry don't make a big effect, because they're probably over 50% Yamna and only have around 8% less ANE.

It's hard to say who's the most similar to theoretical Yamna. North Europeans have to much WHG, south Europeans have to much Near eastern, and central Europeans have a similar Near eastern/WHG ratio and significant ANE, so maybe they're the closest. My guess is that the closest Yamna relative is going to be found somewhere around the Baltic, south of Poland, or in the Urals.

IR1(Iron age Hungarian)'s genome is the closest thing we have to Yamna as of far. He had the same WHG/Near eastern ratio as we do(and central Europeans), but as much ANE as NE Europeans.

Interesting. It will be good once some Yamnaya genomes are finally released.

alan
01-06-2015, 03:20 AM
Regardless of where modern Iberian samples fall, it seems like we'll soon have evidence that the same autosomal DNA pattern we've seen for Central Europe will hold true for Iberia...

TRACING THE GENETIC HISTORY OF FARMING POPULATIONS OF EL PORTALÓN CAVE IN THE SIERRA DE ATAPUERCA, SPAIN
http://www.burgos2014uispp.com/readcontents.php?file=webstructure/abstracts_book.pdf


So, Scandinavian-like WHG dominated pre-farming Iberia. Near Eastern farmers then mixed with the Iberian hunter-gatherers, and from 3,000-2,000 BC, Iberians resembled Neolithic Central Europeans and modern day Sardinians. The Mesolithic and Neolithic patterns are so similar between Iberia and Central Europe that there is no reason to suspect that Basques weren't involved in the same pan-European changes that occurred during the Late Copper Age/Early Bronze Age.

I tend to think of the latter periods as almost like the effect of when bicycles, cars, trains etc had on marriage patterns when they shrunk the world. I still would say there is poor evidence of substantial movement in a wave type pattern in most of Europe in the copper age but I think things like beaker do appear to provide a material proxy for a vastly extended marriage network. I would imagine a pattern like that would greatly improve health compared to in-marrying self regulating villages etc. The exact nature and driving forces of this are still to be well defined but there was more ephemeral settlements, more mobility, more fluid groups, the wheel, horses, the expansion of metals, the appearance of pan-European pottery which is suggestive of female mobility. I think we should look at major changes in networks and constant low level flow and intermarriage rather than an epic invasion type movement - IMO that is why archaeologically its hard to fully understand things like the beaker network and it all seems a bit blurry.

R.Rocca
01-06-2015, 12:44 PM
I tend to think of the latter periods as almost like the effect of when bicycles, cars, trains etc had on marriage patterns when they shrunk the world. I still would say there is poor evidence of substantial movement in a wave type pattern in most of Europe in the copper age but I think things like beaker do appear to provide a material proxy for a vastly extended marriage network. I would imagine a pattern like that would greatly improve health compared to in-marrying self regulating villages etc. The exact nature and driving forces of this are still to be well defined but there was more ephemeral settlements, more mobility, more fluid groups, the wheel, horses, the expansion of metals, the appearance of pan-European pottery which is suggestive of female mobility. I think we should look at major changes in networks and constant low level flow and intermarriage rather than an epic invasion type movement - IMO that is why archaeologically its hard to fully understand things like the beaker network and it all seems a bit blurry.

Marriage networks alone cannot explain Central Europe going from 0% R1a/R1b in the Neolithic to over 50% in the Bronze Age. Based on the ancient Y-DNA samples that have been published to date, I can't see anything other than a period of epic raiding during the Late Copper Age causing such a massive turnover.

Dr_McNinja
01-06-2015, 12:56 PM
Marriage networks alone cannot explain Central Europe going from 0% R1a/R1b in the Neolithic to over 50% in the Bronze Age. Based on the ancient Y-DNA samples that have been published to date, I can't see anything other than a period of epic raiding during the Late Copper Age causing such a massive turnover.
I don't think raiding would be enough, it's a mass movement/migration of people, probably accompanied by battles/skirmishes. Invasion sounds right. Such a movement might not leave a lot of people in their original area. I would guess they might have been displaced from their ancestral home to cause such a migration.

parasar
01-06-2015, 01:18 PM
I don't think raiding would be enough, it's a mass movement/migration of people, probably accompanied by battles/skirmishes. Invasion sounds right. Such a movement might not leave a lot of people in their original area. I would guess they might have been displaced from their ancestral home to cause such a migration.

I think it was farmer spread displaced by a massive drought in Asia but not in Europe.
Something like the monsoons stopping.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0012821X14000594

rms2
01-06-2015, 01:25 PM
It seems that, beginning in the 1960's, archaeologists and historians either missed or downplayed the significance of what Gimbutas called the "Kurgan waves" into Central Europe, chiefly Yamnaya. Somehow a y haplogroup with an east-to-west phylogeography, namely R1b, got into Beaker. Beaker spread back west and north and took R1b and Italo-Celtic with it.

Corded Ware may have been chiefly R1a, although there could have been some R1b in it, too, that just has not shown up in ancient remains yet (unless maybe Kromsdorf was really a CW site and some error was made in identifying it).

Indo-European languages spread to the Atlantic somehow, and I have never found the idea that people change languages easily very compelling.

alan
01-06-2015, 04:32 PM
Marriage networks alone cannot explain Central Europe going from 0% R1a/R1b in the Neolithic to over 50% in the Bronze Age. Based on the ancient Y-DNA samples that have been published to date, I can't see anything other than a period of epic raiding during the Late Copper Age causing such a massive turnover.

I probably made myself a little unclear in my above post. I didnt mean just women moving. There were clearly men moving as well as women. It seems like a combination of male mobility and a much more marrying-out kind of culture - two things that probably are closely related. I wasnt trying to imply that it was just people getting more exotic wives. There is clear evidence now that males were moving about.

However what we dont see are the sort of immediate massive burnt horizon type wipeouts and movements. If it had been like that then archaeologists wouldnt have spent centuries puzzled by it. I suppose one way of characterising this is beaker looks multidirectional in both its own movements and the influences it hoovered up as it moved. This is very different from a simple unidirectional scenario where a culture clearly moves from point A to point B largely intact. Beaker is somewhat different from corded ware which at least on a crude level can be taken as a cultural/human wave that mostly moved from east to west,albeit there was also an eastern extension from its earliest dated areas around south Poland. Beaker has always been far more difficult to interpret than corded ware despite the fact they share a lot in common.

I do tend though to be fairly sure,largely based on genetics rather than archaeology, that beaker's origins was also initially linked to male lineages moving east to west albeit that this may have happened in a pre-beaker guise judging by the early beaker use in the far west. Probably we have to see L11 derived clades as initially spreading east to west initially in a guise that cannot be called beaker as such or else we couldnt explain the genetics of it. That may have then been followed by an expansion during the beaker phase.

However, there seems to me no doubt that western R1b must have initially moved in a pre-beaker form to the west or nothing really makes sense. I think the fact that the L11 overall seems to go both into the western part of Europe and up the Elbe or another north-flowing central European river strongly suggests to me that L11 must have originated in pre-beaker times somewhere like east-central Europe like Czech etc.

The ages some are suggesting for L11 now are a lot older than P312 so again L11 seems to have had a fairly significant pre-beaker and pre-P312 existence somewhere. I cannot help but think that corded ware is the obvious central European mega culture that occupied the east central European area for 400 years before beaker arrived in that area so its hard to not at least consider this possibility regardless of beaker skulls etc.

As far as I can see the classic beaker skull is not linked to beaker until 2500BC and is not present in the earliest phase in SW Europe. So, it appears to be something that was associated with developed beaker lineages in central and NW Europe rather than an original characteristic of the beaker users. So, for me it may be a handy marker for movement during developed beaker phase but it doesnt tell us anything about the earliest users of beaker pot.

alan
01-06-2015, 04:38 PM
It seems that, beginning in the 1960's, archaeologists and historians either missed or downplayed the significance of what Gimbutas called the "Kurgan waves" into Central Europe, chiefly Yamnaya. Somehow a y haplogroup with an east-to-west phylogeography, namely R1b, got into Beaker. Beaker spread back west and north and took R1b and Italo-Celtic with it.

Corded Ware may have been chiefly R1a, although there could have been some R1b in it, too, that just has not shown up in ancient remains yet (unless maybe Kromsdorf was really a CW site and some error was made in identifying it).

Indo-European languages spread to the Atlantic somehow, and I have never found the idea that people change languages easily very compelling.

I agree. IE languages do not look like approximates by people learning them from distant contact at all. There was clearly a human element and clearly movement. I can believe minor dialectal fashions can happen by relatively modest prestige contact but I dont remotely believe that an entire new language family can spread without at least some significant migration. If it was fairly small numbers then a language shift will only happen if a hell of a lot of power, prestige and access to desired things comes from speaking the language, but even there has to be some feet on the ground.

alan
01-06-2015, 04:51 PM
I don't think raiding would be enough, it's a mass movement/migration of people, probably accompanied by battles/skirmishes. Invasion sounds right. Such a movement might not leave a lot of people in their original area. I would guess they might have been displaced from their ancestral home to cause such a migration.

If we had more certainty in terms of the ages of the various stages of western R1b we could probably compare the dates of beaker in a particular area with the date of of the clades that came there and work out how many generations that clade had existed for before the beaker pot appeared in a given area. If we are to proposed large scale invasions then that can only be linked to a clade if it is old enough for a large population of that clade to have come into existence by the time beaker arrived.

For example if beaker was in the Alps by 2500BC, then is U152 old enough to have been a large population at that time? Is DF27 old enough for it to have been a large invasive population by the date of beaker in SW Europe? It all depends on whose date calculations are correct. If the people saying it dates on the major P312 clade divisions to around 2500BC are right then its impossible to have been a large invasive population if it is connected to beaker because that is about the same age as the appearance of beaker in most areas. However, if the dates placing those clades significantly earlier than that are correct then a larger population becomes a possible scenario. However it is clear than any dates for P312 or its major subclade nodes that are placed as late as the 2500 period or a little earlier are not really compatible with the idea of major population movements of these lineages because that is practically impossible. The small lineage movement model is based on the dovetailing of major P312 divisions dating with beaker. Whether or not the genetic dating is correct or too young seems unresolved

parasar
01-06-2015, 06:38 PM
If we had more certainty in terms of the ages of the various stages of western R1b we could probably compare the dates of beaker in a particular area with the date of of the clades that came there and work out how many generations that clade had existed for before the beaker pot appeared in a given area. If we are to proposed large scale invasions then that can only be linked to a clade if it is old enough for a large population of that clade to have come into existence by the time beaker arrived.

For example if beaker was in the Alps by 2500BC, then is U152 old enough to have been a large population at that time? Is DF27 old enough for it to have been a large invasive population by the date of beaker in SW Europe? It all depends on whose date calculations are correct. If the people saying it dates on the major P312 clade divisions to around 2500BC are right then its impossible to have been a large invasive population if it is connected to beaker because that is about the same age as the appearance of beaker in most areas. However, if the dates placing those clades significantly earlier than that are correct then a larger population becomes a possible scenario. However it is clear than any dates for P312 or its major subclade nodes that are placed as late as the 2500 period or a little earlier are not really compatible with the idea of major population movements of these lineages because that is practically impossible. The small lineage movement model is based on the dovetailing of major P312 divisions dating with beaker. Whether or not the genetic dating is correct or too young seems unresolved

I do not think it was large population, but closely related (an already pruned tribe or clan) and large enough to occupy and settle, that then expanded rapidly.
Sikora et al.
http://www.investigativegenetics.com/content/4/1/25

...taking only a few generations and occurring as soon as the major R1b lineage entered Europe; it started from just one to three men, whose numbers expanded more than a thousandfold...
In Europe, the expansion was very rapid, taking only approximately 325 (50 to 600) years and ending approximately 12 (6 to 14) KYA...

rms2
01-06-2015, 07:36 PM
12 KYA is certainly not likely, given the dearth of R1b in ancient European results, but they do have "6 to 14" in parentheses. Even 6 KYA appears to be too long ago, since no R1b has turned up in Europe older than 4600-4500 years old.

ADW_1981
01-06-2015, 08:29 PM
The data presents M269 and L23 being born outside Europe, or at most on the eastern periphery. L51, the line whom most European men descend from appears to have been born in Central/East Europe, thinking near Austria.

Arbogan
01-06-2015, 08:49 PM
Ok I don't usually do this, but i guess i got impulsive this time. I've sent David the 20 Australian bucks, waiting for my results.

MfA
01-06-2015, 08:54 PM
Cool, I didn't know there was an older K8 version. How did you emulate the results? Just wondering if you used the same method as me.

Same way as you've described on some other forum B).

BTW Davidski ran some K15 components with K8

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zgol5rF0jWRugwUlsOCeObVZ0opPVxFLjQ_LPIgPcds/edit#gid=510396291


Here are the K15 West Eurasian components on the K8 PCA plots.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9o3EYTdM8lQdEFDU1JkajhoN28/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9o3EYTdM8lQM0lWOGVxdGhBRUk/view?usp=sharing

Who wants to make some bets?

Eastern Euro = Yamnaya

Baltic = Battle-Axe Corded Ware

North Sea = Single Grave Corded Ware

Atlantic = Bell Beaker

West Asian = Maikop

And I guess no need to bet that West Med is almost a dead ringer for EEF.

Oracle results of West Asian component;


Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Abkhasian @ 5.807757
2 Georgian_Imer @ 7.035679
3 Kurdish @ 8.447703
4 Iranian @ 8.946733
5 Georgian_Laz @ 10.602608
6 Azeri @ 10.797632
7 Ossetian @ 12.11761
8 Armenian @ 13.435408
9 Adygei @ 13.576862
10 North_Ossetian @ 14.318664
11 Turkish @ 14.738178
12 Balkar @ 15.070709
13 Georgian_Jewish @ 15.203434
14 Iranian_Jewish @ 15.383731
15 Chechen @ 15.654848
16 Lezgin @ 16.210286
17 Kumyk @ 16.556781
18 Kabardin @ 16.726987
19 Iraqi_Jewish @ 18.639996
20 Lebanese_Muslim @ 19.167529


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Abkhasian+Abkhasian @ 5.807757
2 Abkhasian+Georgian_Imer @ 5.98996
3 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer @ 7.035679
4 Abkhasian+Kurdish @ 7.077807
5 Georgian_Imer+Ossetian @ 7.177404
6 Georgian_Imer+Iranian @ 7.187461
7 Abkhasian+Iranian @ 7.1896
8 Georgian_Imer+Kurdish @ 7.474954
9 Adygei+Georgian_Imer @ 7.516294
10 Georgian_Imer+North_Ossetian @ 7.675667
11 Georgian_Imer+Lezgin @ 7.742047
12 Abkhasian+Georgian_Laz @ 7.797524
13 Chechen+Georgian_Imer @ 7.902662
14 Azeri+Georgian_Imer @ 7.93124
15 Balkar+Georgian_Imer @ 8.089242
16 Abkhasian+Azeri @ 8.113585
17 Abkhasian+Ossetian @ 8.360743
18 Iranian_Jewish+Lezgin @ 8.399534
19 Kurdish+Kurdish @ 8.447703
20 Iranian+Kurdish @ 8.461237
13530 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Georgian_Imer +25% Lezgin @ 5.538104
2 50% Abkhasian +25% Abkhasian +25% Georgian_Imer @ 5.776754
3 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Georgian_Imer +25% Tabassaran @ 5.798494
4 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Abkhasian +25% Lezgin @ 5.825798
5 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Chechen +25% Georgian_Imer @ 5.896402
6 50% Abkhasian +25% Georgian_Imer +25% Georgian_Imer @ 5.98996
7 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Georgian_Imer +25% North_Ossetian @ 6.092756
8 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Abkhasian +25% Chechen @ 6.107836
9 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Adygei +25% Georgian_Imer @ 6.15568
10 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Abkhasian +25% North_Ossetian @ 6.201676
11 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Abkhasian +25% Ossetian @ 6.213056
12 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Abkhasian +25% Tabassaran @ 6.215945
13 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Abkhasian +25% Adygei @ 6.21895
14 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Georgian_Imer +25% Ossetian @ 6.232542
15 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Balkar +25% Georgian_Imer @ 6.264894
16 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Kurdish +25% Lezgin @ 6.318992
17 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Georgian_Imer @ 6.327707
18 50% Abkhasian +25% Georgian_Imer +25% Lezgin @ 6.330651
19 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Georgian_Imer +25% Pathan @ 6.363094
20 50% Abkhasian +25% Georgian_Imer +25% Iranian @ 6.364494
796796 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Lezgin @ 5.538104
2 Abkhasian+Abkhasian+Abkhasian+Georgian_Imer @ 5.776754
3 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Tabassar an @ 5.798494
4 Abkhasian+Abkhasian+Abkhasian+Abkhasian @ 5.807757
5 Abkhasian+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Lezgin @ 5.825798
6 Chechen+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer @ 5.896402
7 Abkhasian+Abkhasian+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer @ 5.98996
8 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+North_Os setian @ 6.092756
9 Abkhasian+Chechen+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer @ 6.107836
10 Adygei+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer @ 6.15568
11 Abkhasian+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+North_Osseti an @ 6.201676
12 Abkhasian+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Ossetian @ 6.213056
13 Abkhasian+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Tabassaran @ 6.215945
14 Abkhasian+Adygei+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer @ 6.21895
15 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Ossetian @ 6.232542
16 Balkar+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer @ 6.264894
17 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Kurdish+Lezgin @ 6.318992
18 Afghan_Pashtun+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Georgia n_Imer @ 6.327707
19 Abkhasian+Abkhasian+Georgian_Imer+Lezgin @ 6.330651
20 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Pathan @ 6.363094
21 Abkhasian+Abkhasian+Georgian_Imer+Iranian @ 6.364494
22 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Laz+Lezgin @ 6.381417
23 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Kumyk @ 6.387628
24 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Iranian+Lezgin @ 6.389412
25 Abkhasian+Balkar+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer @ 6.394514
26 Abkhasian+Abkhasian+Georgian_Imer+Ossetian @ 6.42086
27 Abkhasian+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Ime r @ 6.423103
28 Abkhasian+Abkhasian+Abkhasian+Kurdish @ 6.426493
29 Abkhasian+Abkhasian+Abkhasian+Iranian @ 6.43514
30 Abkhasian+Abkhasian+Georgian_Imer+Kurdish @ 6.469015
31 Abkhasian+Abkhasian+Adygei+Georgian_Imer @ 6.505857
32 Abkhasian+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Iranian @ 6.516935
33 Abkhasian+Abkhasian+Georgian_Imer+North_Ossetian @ 6.532058
34 Abkhasian+Abkhasian+Chechen+Georgian_Imer @ 6.535416
35 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Kabardin @ 6.551506
36 Abkhasian+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Laz+Lezgin @ 6.576945
37 Abkhasian+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Kumyk @ 6.577673
38 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Laz+Tabassara n @ 6.592748
39 Chechen+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Kurdish @ 6.634241
40 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Laz+Pathan @ 6.641389
1250915 iterations.

I find it interesting West Asian component Maykop? can be described as Georgian/Abkhasian and Iranian/Kurdish/Azeri, since It has been suggested that the Leyla-Tepe culture were the founders of the Maykop culture..

parasar
01-06-2015, 09:13 PM
12 KYA is certainly not likely, given the dearth of R1b in ancient European results, but they do have "6 to 14" in parentheses. Even 6 KYA appears to be too long ago, since no R1b has turned up in Europe older than 4600-4500 years old.

We have to remember Europe is big place and in 12kybp time-frame Europe and Anatolia were essentially the same. Even much later, in Indic and other texts Anatolian (Yona http://www.buddhismuskunde.uni-hamburg.de/fileadmin/pdf/analayo/Yona.pdf ) meant Greek.
"Yauna, those who dwell on this side of the sea (Anatolia) and those who dwell across the sea (Greece)" http://www.livius.org/aa-ac/achaemenians/XPh.html

http://www.livius.org/site/assets/files/2171/yauna.jpg
Description
Yaunâ (Greek). Relief from the eastern stairs of the Apadana at Persepolis
Date
ca. 520 BCE–ca. 480 BCE

I agree though that that time-frame is problematic as regards R1b based on current evidence. I'm not sure if even M269 is that old.

Arbogan
01-06-2015, 11:41 PM
My results:

ANE 0.205995
South_Eurasian 0.059825
Near_Eastern 0.705048
East_Eurasian 1E-005
WHG 0.008569
Oceanian 1E-005
Pygmy 0.002825
Sub-Saharan 0.017717


Lower bound NE

ANE 0.205782
South_Eurasian 0.0581
Near_Eastern 0.705224
East_Eurasian 1E-005
WHG 0.012038
Oceanian 1E-005
Pygmy 0.002762
Sub-Saharan 0.016074

I'm basically super woggish neolithic with generous amounts of ANE.

J Man
01-06-2015, 11:50 PM
Davidski might get mad about me saying this but I think we might be overall more similar to Yamna than east Europeans are, even though we're ethnic mutts. That is unless ANE and recent common ancestry don't make a big effect, because they're probably over 50% Yamna and only have around 8% less ANE.

It's hard to say who's the most similar to theoretical Yamna. North Europeans have to much WHG, south Europeans have to much Near eastern, and central Europeans have a similar Near eastern/WHG ratio and significant ANE, so maybe they're the closest. My guess is that the closest Yamna relative is going to be found somewhere around the Baltic, south of Poland, or in the Urals.

IR1(Iron age Hungarian)'s genome is the closest thing we have to Yamna as of far. He had the same WHG/Near eastern ratio as we do(and central Europeans), but as much ANE as NE Europeans.

You and I are actually quite close to IR1 as well.

SwampThing27
01-07-2015, 12:06 AM
ANE 0.147364
South_Eurasian 0.004762
Near_Eastern 0.40412
East_Eurasian 0.001941
WHG 0.4233
Oceanian 0.008062
Pygmy 0.005523
Sub-Saharan 0.004928

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Utah_USA @ 2,499041
2 Hungarian @ 2,924576
3 Utah_German @ 2,932427
4 SW_English @ 3,046562
5 SE_English @ 3,101431
6 Moldavian @ 3,524234
7 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3,892691
8 West_Scottish @ 4,08674
9 Orcadian @ 4,200054
10 Croatian @ 5,170708
11 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,763889
12 French @ 6,040822
13 Serbian_Bosnia @ 6,371564
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 6,463132
15 LBA_Hungary @ 6,656487
16 Utah_Scandinavian @ 6,709105
17 Norwegian @ 6,714344
18 Ukrainian_Kharkov @ 6,974759
19 Bosnian @ 7,302065
20 Hinxton4 @ 7,969408
163 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Croatian+West_Scottish @ 1,317171
2 Bosnian+Hinxton4 @ 1,359654
3 Hungarian+Utah_German @ 1,39462
4 Hungarian+West_Scottish @ 1,39987
5 Lithuanian+Macedonian @ 1,422274
6 French+Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1,424103
7 Moldavian+SW_English @ 1,485204
8 Croatian+Orcadian @ 1,487631
9 Hungarian+Orcadian @ 1,494171
13366 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% West_Scottish +25% Romanian +25% Utah_Scandinavian @ 1,140787
2 50% West_Scottish +25% Greek_Thessaly +25% Lithuanian @ 1,143917
3 50% West_Scottish +25% Norwegian +25% Romanian @ 1,144865
4 50% Utah_Scandinavian +25% Greek +25% Lithuanian @ 1,163665
5 50% Norwegian +25% Greek +25% Lithuanian @ 1,167759
6 50% West_Scottish +25% Hinxton4 +25% Romanian @ 1,168125
7 50% Lithuanian +25% Italian_Abruzzo +25% Utah_USA @ 1,171184
8 50% West_Scottish +25% Serbian +25% West_Scottish @ 1,195153
9 50% West_Scottish +25% Montenegrin +25% West_Scottish @ 1,199859

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Hinxton4+Italian_Abruzzo+Lithuanian+Polish @ 1,081029
2 Greek+Lithuanian+Swedish+West_Scottish @ 1,116926
3 French+Georgian_Imer+LBA_Hungary+Motala12 @ 1,134244
4 Greek+Hinxton4+Lithuanian+West_Scottish @ 1,138453
5 Romanian+Utah_Scandinavian+West_Scottish+West_Scot tish @ 1,140787
6 Belorussian+Hinxton4+Italian_Abruzzo+Lithuanian @ 1,141137
7 Greek_Thessaly+Lithuanian+West_Scottish+West_Scott ish @ 1,143917
8 Norwegian+Romanian+West_Scottish+West_Scottish @ 1,144865
9 Polish+Romanian+SW_English+West_Scottish @ 1,147837
10 Hinxton4+Italian_Abruzzo+Lithuanian+Norwegian @ 1,148883

Sangarius
01-07-2015, 12:55 PM
Same way as you've described on some other forum B).

BTW Davidski ran some K15 components with K8

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zgol5rF0jWRugwUlsOCeObVZ0opPVxFLjQ_LPIgPcds/edit#gid=510396291



Oracle results of West Asian component;


Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Abkhasian @ 5.807757
2 Georgian_Imer @ 7.035679
3 Kurdish @ 8.447703
4 Iranian @ 8.946733
5 Georgian_Laz @ 10.602608
6 Azeri @ 10.797632
7 Ossetian @ 12.11761
8 Armenian @ 13.435408
9 Adygei @ 13.576862
10 North_Ossetian @ 14.318664
11 Turkish @ 14.738178
12 Balkar @ 15.070709
13 Georgian_Jewish @ 15.203434
14 Iranian_Jewish @ 15.383731
15 Chechen @ 15.654848
16 Lezgin @ 16.210286
17 Kumyk @ 16.556781
18 Kabardin @ 16.726987
19 Iraqi_Jewish @ 18.639996
20 Lebanese_Muslim @ 19.167529


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Abkhasian+Abkhasian @ 5.807757
2 Abkhasian+Georgian_Imer @ 5.98996
3 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer @ 7.035679
4 Abkhasian+Kurdish @ 7.077807
5 Georgian_Imer+Ossetian @ 7.177404
6 Georgian_Imer+Iranian @ 7.187461
7 Abkhasian+Iranian @ 7.1896
8 Georgian_Imer+Kurdish @ 7.474954
9 Adygei+Georgian_Imer @ 7.516294
10 Georgian_Imer+North_Ossetian @ 7.675667
11 Georgian_Imer+Lezgin @ 7.742047
12 Abkhasian+Georgian_Laz @ 7.797524
13 Chechen+Georgian_Imer @ 7.902662
14 Azeri+Georgian_Imer @ 7.93124
15 Balkar+Georgian_Imer @ 8.089242
16 Abkhasian+Azeri @ 8.113585
17 Abkhasian+Ossetian @ 8.360743
18 Iranian_Jewish+Lezgin @ 8.399534
19 Kurdish+Kurdish @ 8.447703
20 Iranian+Kurdish @ 8.461237
13530 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Georgian_Imer +25% Lezgin @ 5.538104
2 50% Abkhasian +25% Abkhasian +25% Georgian_Imer @ 5.776754
3 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Georgian_Imer +25% Tabassaran @ 5.798494
4 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Abkhasian +25% Lezgin @ 5.825798
5 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Chechen +25% Georgian_Imer @ 5.896402
6 50% Abkhasian +25% Georgian_Imer +25% Georgian_Imer @ 5.98996
7 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Georgian_Imer +25% North_Ossetian @ 6.092756
8 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Abkhasian +25% Chechen @ 6.107836
9 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Adygei +25% Georgian_Imer @ 6.15568
10 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Abkhasian +25% North_Ossetian @ 6.201676
11 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Abkhasian +25% Ossetian @ 6.213056
12 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Abkhasian +25% Tabassaran @ 6.215945
13 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Abkhasian +25% Adygei @ 6.21895
14 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Georgian_Imer +25% Ossetian @ 6.232542
15 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Balkar +25% Georgian_Imer @ 6.264894
16 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Kurdish +25% Lezgin @ 6.318992
17 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Georgian_Imer @ 6.327707
18 50% Abkhasian +25% Georgian_Imer +25% Lezgin @ 6.330651
19 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Georgian_Imer +25% Pathan @ 6.363094
20 50% Abkhasian +25% Georgian_Imer +25% Iranian @ 6.364494
796796 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Lezgin @ 5.538104
2 Abkhasian+Abkhasian+Abkhasian+Georgian_Imer @ 5.776754
3 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Tabassar an @ 5.798494
4 Abkhasian+Abkhasian+Abkhasian+Abkhasian @ 5.807757
5 Abkhasian+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Lezgin @ 5.825798
6 Chechen+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer @ 5.896402
7 Abkhasian+Abkhasian+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer @ 5.98996
8 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+North_Os setian @ 6.092756
9 Abkhasian+Chechen+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer @ 6.107836
10 Adygei+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer @ 6.15568
11 Abkhasian+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+North_Osseti an @ 6.201676
12 Abkhasian+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Ossetian @ 6.213056
13 Abkhasian+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Tabassaran @ 6.215945
14 Abkhasian+Adygei+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer @ 6.21895
15 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Ossetian @ 6.232542
16 Balkar+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer @ 6.264894
17 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Kurdish+Lezgin @ 6.318992
18 Afghan_Pashtun+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Georgia n_Imer @ 6.327707
19 Abkhasian+Abkhasian+Georgian_Imer+Lezgin @ 6.330651
20 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Pathan @ 6.363094
21 Abkhasian+Abkhasian+Georgian_Imer+Iranian @ 6.364494
22 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Laz+Lezgin @ 6.381417
23 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Kumyk @ 6.387628
24 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Iranian+Lezgin @ 6.389412
25 Abkhasian+Balkar+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer @ 6.394514
26 Abkhasian+Abkhasian+Georgian_Imer+Ossetian @ 6.42086
27 Abkhasian+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Ime r @ 6.423103
28 Abkhasian+Abkhasian+Abkhasian+Kurdish @ 6.426493
29 Abkhasian+Abkhasian+Abkhasian+Iranian @ 6.43514
30 Abkhasian+Abkhasian+Georgian_Imer+Kurdish @ 6.469015
31 Abkhasian+Abkhasian+Adygei+Georgian_Imer @ 6.505857
32 Abkhasian+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Iranian @ 6.516935
33 Abkhasian+Abkhasian+Georgian_Imer+North_Ossetian @ 6.532058
34 Abkhasian+Abkhasian+Chechen+Georgian_Imer @ 6.535416
35 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Kabardin @ 6.551506
36 Abkhasian+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Laz+Lezgin @ 6.576945
37 Abkhasian+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Kumyk @ 6.577673
38 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Laz+Tabassara n @ 6.592748
39 Chechen+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Kurdish @ 6.634241
40 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Laz+Pathan @ 6.641389
1250915 iterations.

I find it interesting West Asian component Maykop? can be described as Georgian/Abkhasian and Iranian/Kurdish/Azeri, since It has been suggested that the Leyla-Tepe culture were the founders of the Maykop culture..

I see. Since you are a smart guy I thought you might have came up with a better method. ;-)

That spreadsheet is quite interesting, hadn't seen it yet. The West Asian AC is ~27% ANE admixed, much higher than I expected and WHG is 0%. I wish we also had the breakdown of the other K15 ACs into K8 ACs.

Dr_McNinja
01-07-2015, 01:55 PM
I see. Since you are a smart guy I thought you might have came up with a better method. ;-)

That spreadsheet is quite interesting, hadn't seen it yet. The West Asian AC is ~27% ANE admixed, much higher than I expected and WHG is 0%. I wish we also had the breakdown of the other K15 ACs into K8 ACs.The South Asian looks something like 27% ANE, 40% ENF, 33% ASE (in order to produce results somewhat on par with the old K7).

David said he's going to run the rest through K8 soon.

Krefter
01-07-2015, 04:07 PM
Considering south Asians have very high ANE-affinity and very low WHG, their ANE defintly doesn't mostly come from Europe. I don't see why the same can't be true for west Asian ANE.

Davidski, insists that ANE in west Asia came from the steppe after the Neolithic, but I think it's possible it came from south-central Asia. It also may have come through the Caucasus. The west Asian component in Eurogenes K15 seems to express most ANE in west Asia, and is very similar Caucasians.

I do think though that Yamna-type IEs(with 25% ANE) may be a significant part of IE-speakers ancestry in Asia. If Kurds for example were 20% Yamna, they would only score around 7% WHG in ANE K8, which is higher than they do score, but does show that after admixture the WHG Yamna had(~35% in ANE K8) could be diluted and hard to notice.

Krefter
01-07-2015, 04:10 PM
My results:

ANE 0.205995
South_Eurasian 0.059825
Near_Eastern 0.705048
East_Eurasian 1E-005
WHG 0.008569
Oceanian 1E-005
Pygmy 0.002825
Sub-Saharan 0.017717


Lower bound NE

ANE 0.205782
South_Eurasian 0.0581
Near_Eastern 0.705224
East_Eurasian 1E-005
WHG 0.012038
Oceanian 1E-005
Pygmy 0.002762
Sub-Saharan 0.016074

I'm basically super woggish neolithic with generous amounts of ANE.

Near eastern-specific ancestry didn't necessarily originate with the first farmers. mtDNA from Mesolithic hunter gatherers in Greece had nearly every Near eastern maternal lineage represented. I wouldn't call it Neolithic, I'd call it Near eastern.

Kurd
01-07-2015, 04:39 PM
Considering south Asians have very high ANE-affinity and very low WHG, their ANE defintly doesn't mostly come from Europe. I don't see why the same can't be true for west Asian ANE.

Davidski, insists that ANE in west Asia came from the steppe after the Neolithic, but I think it's possible it came from south-central Asia. It also may have come through the Caucasus. The west Asian component in Eurogenes K15 seems to express most ANE in west Asia, and is very similar Caucasians.

I do think though that Yamna-type IEs(with 25% ANE) may be a significant part of IE-speakers ancestry in Asia. If Kurds for example were 20% Yamna, they would only score around 7% WHG in ANE K8, which is higher than they do score, but does show that after admixture the WHG Yamna had(~35% in ANE K8) could be diluted and hard to notice.

Here is my two cents for what it is worth, and I certainly do not profess to be an expert on this topic.

Before the age of ancestry DNA testing, the Kurds from my area had always held that our ancestors migrated from the south central Asia area (Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, etc.). My dad's mtDNA tested as W4d, which traces from an origin in NW India to Uzbekistan/Turkmenistan, then to N. Iraq/ NW Iran. That would be consistent with what I have heard from Kurds from my area.

That is not to say that all Kurds have ancestry from South Central Asia. My mom's mtDNA of U1a2, I have not been able to trace yet.

Sangarius
01-07-2015, 07:58 PM
Considering south Asians have very high ANE-affinity and very low WHG, their ANE defintly doesn't mostly come from Europe. I don't see why the same can't be true for west Asian ANE.

Davidski, insists that ANE in west Asia came from the steppe after the Neolithic, but I think it's possible it came from south-central Asia. It also may have come through the Caucasus. The west Asian component in Eurogenes K15 seems to express most ANE in west Asia, and is very similar Caucasians.

I do think though that Yamna-type IEs(with 25% ANE) may be a significant part of IE-speakers ancestry in Asia. If Kurds for example were 20% Yamna, they would only score around 7% WHG in ANE K8, which is higher than they do score, but does show that after admixture the WHG Yamna had(~35% in ANE K8) could be diluted and hard to notice.

How do you think ANE came to West Asia from South-Central Asia after the Neolithic? Is there any evidence of a large population movement from SCA to WA in historic records? I only know of evidence in the opposite direction.
And what about the high amount of South_Eurasian admixture that SCAs carry, but that only reaches 5% in WA populations that almost have 30% ANE admixture? Also looking at K15 population averages, SCAs have lots of WA admixture, but WA's have only small amounts of South-Asian admixture. That means that actually a good chunk of the ANE in SCAs comes from West Asia.

Maybe I'm overlooking something, but your hypothesis doesn't seem to have a lot of substance to it.

Btw. the West_Eurasia_K8_K15_clusters spreadsheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zgol5rF0jWRugwUlsOCeObVZ0opPVxFLjQ_LPIgPcds/edit#gid=1529296502) has been updated. The South-Asian AC has 28.94% ANE admixture, while the West-Asian has 26.64%.

Krefter
01-07-2015, 08:17 PM
Sang, if ANE didn't come to west Asia from south-central Asia, then it was either there in the Neolithic(EEFs lacked it) or it came from north of the Caucasus.

Leaks from Reich tell us Mesolithic people at the eastern edge of Europe were as much or more WHG than ANE, and so they don't fit as the source of ANE in west Asia. Europe from any time period doesn't fit as a good source for ANE in west Asia, because of WHG. Siberians don't fit as the source of west Asian's ANE either.

It looks like ENF pops mixed with pretty much pure ANE pops at somepoint. Who knows there may have been people who were 80% ANE in Russia or Iran very recently, who admixed with ENF type people who lived in west Asia, to create modern west Asians.

Palisto
01-07-2015, 10:42 PM
Here is my two cents for what it is worth, and I certainly do not profess to be an expert on this topic.

Before the age of ancestry DNA testing, the Kurds from my area had always held that our ancestors migrated from the south central Asia area (Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, etc.). My dad's mtDNA tested as W4d, which traces from an origin in NW India to Uzbekistan/Turkmenistan, then to N. Iraq/ NW Iran. That would be consistent with what I have heard from Kurds from my area.

That is not to say that all Kurds have ancestry from South Central Asia. My mom's mtDNA of U1a2, I have not been able to trace yet.[/I]

The Kurds from my area say that they have been in the Mountains of Kurdistan since the beginning and never migrated into Kurdistan; they say they are descendents of Noah.

Kurd
01-07-2015, 11:12 PM
The Kurds from my area say that they have been in the Mountains of Kurdistan since the beginning and never migrated into Kurdistan; they say they are descendents of Noah.

Interesting :) but likely lacking scientific backing.

I guess a better understanding of hap group migratory paths, coupled with other DNA evidence yet to be uncovered, will likely prove them wrong.

SwampThing27
01-08-2015, 12:18 AM
Does anyone know if higher ANE would correlate with higher South Asian from other calculators?

vettor
01-08-2015, 12:49 AM
The Kurds from my area say that they have been in the Mountains of Kurdistan since the beginning and never migrated into Kurdistan; they say they are descendents of Noah.

Beginning of what?

If they have been where they are from as early as the bronze-age , then they should have similar numbers and haplgroups with their ancient neighbours to the north and south of them, but, I find they differ from the assyrians and the armenians

parasar
01-08-2015, 02:28 AM
How do you think ANE came to West Asia from South-Central Asia after the Neolithic? Is there any evidence of a large population movement from SCA to WA in historic records? I only know of evidence in the opposite direction.
And what about the high amount of South_Eurasian admixture that SCAs carry, but that only reaches 5% in WA populations that almost have 30% ANE admixture? Also looking at K15 population averages, SCAs have lots of WA admixture, but WA's have only small amounts of South-Asian admixture. That means that actually a good chunk of the ANE in SCAs comes from West Asia.

Maybe I'm overlooking something, but your hypothesis doesn't seem to have a lot of substance to it.

Btw. the West_Eurasia_K8_K15_clusters spreadsheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zgol5rF0jWRugwUlsOCeObVZ0opPVxFLjQ_LPIgPcds/edit#gid=1529296502) has been updated. The South-Asian AC has 28.94% ANE admixture, while the West-Asian has 26.64%.

ANE is very old so in its early form will not correlate to any historical event.

The rest of West Asian is of the Basal type, which is completely absent in the ANE proxy MA1. So ANE was likely an east to west movement, and on the Y side Y-P looks to be the mediator.
As ANE lacks affinity to Basal, it must have mixed with Basal somewhere as many populations carry both - West, Central, as well as South Asia are potential possibilities. MA1's close affinity to South Asians throughout South Asia, which is only lower to that of Amerindians, indicates to me that ANE came into contact with Basal in the upper Indus Valley region.

Generalissimo
01-08-2015, 03:25 AM
ANE in West Asia has to be mostly from the Caucasus, and it's probably linked to the Kura-Araxes and similar expansions from the Northeast Caucasus. But many different steppe groups could have contributed too, because we know for a fact that they were there from historical records. In South Asia most of the ANE is probably from Central Asia and West Asia.

In Europe we basically already know it's from the European steppe, but probably also in part from Scandinavian foragers in the north and West Asia in the southeast.

Dr_McNinja
01-08-2015, 10:56 AM
I used about 20-25 interrelated kits of other South Asian Punjabis with Gedmatch's Lazarus tool and though the number of SNPs returned are small, the results are consistently elevated in ANE and WHG-UHG, lower in ASE and ENF than current day populations. The same goes for cross-ethnic group uses (Pashtun, Punjabi, Brahmin, etc) For instance, the run with just the Punjabis gave ~37% ANE, ~10% ASE, ~19% WHG, ~34% ENF. That's probably closer to 9-10% WHG, 44% ENF in the new K8 calculator. The highest South Asian result I've seen on Gedmatch was otherwise 31%.

However, in fooling around with other admixture results, I noticed a pattern of a consistent 28-31% ENF basal layer across South Asia (similar to how there's a 28-31% ANE layer today as well). This would be ENF which is much less admixed with ANE and probably more closely resembles the Bedouin Southwest Asian components than any other ENF-rich component. So one could take that much ENF off and distribute it to the other components to come up with varying scenarios of the ANE populations that came into South Asia.

It would also suggest an additional distinct West Asian ANE-and-ENF-carrying contribution (the ENF that goes into Gedrosian) in addition to the existing 28-31% ENF layer in earlier South Asia. A West Asian route for ANE could make sense if the population took a detour through the Caucasus (this presumes Gedrosian is the long-lost sister component of the Caucasus component). However, the parts of South Asia with little to no Gedrosian still have high levels of ANE which suggests a separate arrival for Gedrosian in South Asia, which would explain the further dilution of WHG-UHG in the areas which have it (areas which correspond strongly to the reputed spread of Indo-Aryans but are close to Gedrosia) while ANE levels were maintained. But this would be a West Asian population with high ENF, ANE, but low to non-existent WHG-UHG (the K15 West Asian had 20+% ANE, 70% ENF, no WHG).

All this assuming that the ASE in Malta goes back to the split between ANE and ASI/ASE.

As for how traces of WHG got into South Asia, it could be from the original ANE contribution or other migrations/invasions.

Sangarius
01-08-2015, 01:52 PM
Sang, if ANE didn't come to west Asia from south-central Asia, then it was either there in the Neolithic(EEFs lacked it) or it came from north of the Caucasus.

Leaks from Reich tell us Mesolithic people at the eastern edge of Europe were as much or more WHG than ANE, and so they don't fit as the source of ANE in west Asia. Europe from any time period doesn't fit as a good source for ANE in west Asia, because of WHG. Siberians don't fit as the source of west Asian's ANE either.

It looks like ENF pops mixed with pretty much pure ANE pops at somepoint. Who knows there may have been people who were 80% ANE in Russia or Iran very recently, who admixed with ENF type people who lived in west Asia, to create modern west Asians.

Of course I agree that the source of the ANE would have to be very pure to account for the admixture proportions of the West Asian AC.
I'm speculating, but I think it's possible that a relatively pure ANE population was in the Caucasus before the Neolithic. They would have mixed with expanding ENFs who spread west into Europe, north into the Caucasus and east into SCA. The then formed West Asian AC, which is roughly 27% ANE and 71% ENF, did not expand until much later, at least not into Europe.


ANE is very old so in its early form will not correlate to any historical event.

The rest of West Asian is of the Basal type, which is completely absent in the ANE proxy MA1. So ANE was likely an east to west movement, and on the Y side Y-P looks to be the mediator.
As ANE lacks affinity to Basal, it must have mixed with Basal somewhere as many populations carry both - West, Central, as well as South Asia are potential possibilities. MA1's close affinity to South Asians throughout South Asia, which is only lower to that of Amerindians, indicates to me that ANE came into contact with Basal in the upper Indus Valley region.

Of course I know that ANE is very old and originated much further east. But he was talking about a post-Neolithic population movement from South-Central Asia to West-Asia to account for the high amount of ANE admixture in West Asia.

But I don't think ANE met Basal in it's unmixed form. I think ENF met ANE in the Caucasus.


ANE in West Asia has to be mostly from the Caucasus, and it's probably linked to the Kura-Araxes and similar expansions from the Northeast Caucasus. But many different steppe groups could have contributed too, because we know for a fact that they were there from historical records. In South Asia most of the ANE is probably from Central Asia and West Asia.

In Europe we basically already know it's from the European steppe, but probably also in part from Scandinavian foragers in the north and West Asia in the southeast.

I agree.

parasar
01-08-2015, 04:47 PM
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Of course I know that ANE is very old and originated much further east. But he was talking about a post-Neolithic population movement from South-Central Asia to West-Asia to account for the high amount of ANE admixture in West Asia.


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I'm not seeing high amounts of ANE admixture in West Asia unless by a major geographical term such as West Asia you only mean very limited part of West Asia - the NE Caucasus. Conversely we cannot pick a population such as the southern Bedouins and say that West Eurasia has or had minimal ANE. To be sure we need data from ancient samples from West Asia, Central Asia, and South Asia.


High levels of Ancient North Eurasian ancestry in the Northeast Caucasus ... Near Eastern and Caucasian populations having a common ancestry related to Stuttgart, which is, however, modified by different influences related to many world populations ... Near_East is modeled as a mixture of basal_Eurasian and a node Y which forms a clade with Loschbour. Present-day Near Eastern populations are indeed more closely related to European hunter-gatherers than to MA1 ...

ANE-related ancestry may be particularly high in the Northeast Caucasus, as both fitted and lower bound values for Lezgins and Chechens exceed inferred ANE values for Europeans ...
it is not surprising that these populations would have high ANE-related ancestry. They are at the northern end of the Near Eastern cline (Fig. 1 B ) and have the highest values of common genetic drift with MA1 among Near Eastern populations...

the statistic f4(Test, Chimp; MA1, Loschbour) is negative for all West Eurasian populations including all Near Eastern ones, suggesting that they share more drift with Loschbour than with MA1 (the statistic is Z<-4 for all West Eurasian populations except the Lezgin where it is Z=-3.6) ...


So all West Eurasians share higher drift (Z<=-3.6)with Loschbour that with MA1. This to me could distinguish South Asians from West Asians. Perhaps someone could run f4(Test, Chimp; MA1, Loschbour) for South Asians to verify.

Arbogan
01-08-2015, 05:38 PM
Near eastern-specific ancestry didn't necessarily originate with the first farmers. mtDNA from Mesolithic hunter gatherers in Greece had nearly every Near eastern maternal lineage represented. I wouldn't call it Neolithic, I'd call it Near eastern.

I'm pretty sure it's Neolithic or related to the Neolithic. There are numerous Neolithic sites in the region I descend from. And some of the earliest in that case. You're right that neolithics obviously were hunter-gatherers before this. But the areas where zagros-based Neolithic revolution started. it was in my homeland pretty much.

parasar
01-08-2015, 06:12 PM
I'm pretty sure it's Neolithic or related to the Neolithic. There are numerous Neolithic sites in the region I descend from. And some of the earliest in that case. You're right that neolithics obviously were hunter-gatherers before this. But the areas where zagros-based Neolithic revolution started. it was in my homeland pretty much.

The prior hunter-gatherer state is a non-issue. What Krefter is saying is that it can't be Neolithic driven into Europe, as it was likely present in SE Europe in the Mesolitic per mtDNA evidence from Greece.


Near eastern-specific ancestry didn't necessarily originate with the first farmers. mtDNA from Mesolithic hunter gatherers in Greece had nearly every Near eastern maternal lineage represented. I wouldn't call it Neolithic, I'd call it Near eastern.

It is not even Near eastern-specific ancestry. After all it was present in Europe in the Upper Paleolithic.
http://www2.zoo.cam.ac.uk/manica/ms/2014_Seguin_Orlando_et_al_Science.pdf

K14 also shares alleles with European Neolithic farmers and contemporary people from the Middle East/Caucasus, which are not found in MA1 and western European MHGs, indicating genetic exchange between K14 and a Basal Eurasian Lineage (which eventually contributed to Neolithic groups) after the ancestors of MA1 and subsequent European MHGs had diverged


It has to derive from a region that had no L(xN).

parasar
01-08-2015, 06:19 PM
I used about 20-25 interrelated kits of other South Asian Punjabis with Gedmatch's Lazarus tool and though the number of SNPs returned are small, the results are consistently elevated in ANE and WHG-UHG, lower in ASE and ENF than current day populations. The same goes for cross-ethnic group uses (Pashtun, Punjabi, Brahmin, etc) For instance, the run with just the Punjabis gave ~37% ANE, ~10% ASE, ~19% WHG, ~34% ENF. That's probably closer to 9-10% WHG, 44% ENF in the new K8 calculator. The highest South Asian result I've seen on Gedmatch was otherwise 31%.

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As for how traces of WHG got into South Asia, it could be from the original ANE contribution or other migrations/invasions.

I wonder if it is WHG of the La Brana/Loschbour kind or much older non-Basal shared ancestry.

ZephyrousMandaru
01-08-2015, 07:54 PM
Updated Dendrogram with Syrian Jews and Iraqi Mandaeans
http://oi57.tinypic.com/2w4hi0x.jpg

Palisto
01-08-2015, 08:15 PM
Beginning of what?

If they have been where they are from as early as the bronze-age , then they should have similar numbers and haplgroups with their ancient neighbours to the north and south of them, but, I find they differ from the assyrians and the armenians

Beginning of history.


Genetically, Kurds (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-gokCm2uEPzQ/Ur_h9LGVipI/AAAAAAAACB4/f6rMot5x18c/s1600/Top100+matches+Kurd_D+reference+populations+only.p ng) are much closer to Armenians, Mizrahim Jews, Georgians, Persians and Assyrians than to Central Asians or North Indians.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-NmNQc_rSDMA/UJTXh4N0y9I/AAAAAAAABXU/2ncdS-qRTkU/s1600/Dodecad+Globe13+285+samples+ref+only+Polar+tree.jp g

Palisto
01-08-2015, 08:56 PM
Interesting :) but likely lacking scientific backing.

I guess a better understanding of hap group migratory paths, coupled with other DNA evidence yet to be uncovered, will likely prove them wrong.

Science already proved them right. A vast majority of Kurdish DNA is from Kurdistan.

The Barnacle
01-08-2015, 09:07 PM
Beginning of history.


Genetically, Kurds (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-gokCm2uEPzQ/Ur_h9LGVipI/AAAAAAAACB4/f6rMot5x18c/s1600/Top100+matches+Kurd_D+reference+populations+only.p ng) are much closer to Armenians, Mizrahim Jews, Georgians, Persians and Assyrians than to Central Asians or North Indians.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-NmNQc_rSDMA/UJTXh4N0y9I/AAAAAAAABXU/2ncdS-qRTkU/s1600/Dodecad+Globe13+285+samples+ref+only+Polar+tree.jp g

That chart doesn't make sense to me, what does that show?

parasar
01-08-2015, 09:08 PM
...

Btw. the West_Eurasia_K8_K15_clusters spreadsheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zgol5rF0jWRugwUlsOCeObVZ0opPVxFLjQ_LPIgPcds/edit#gid=1529296502) has been updated. The South-Asian AC has 28.94% ANE admixture, while the West-Asian has 26.64%.




... high amount of ANE admixture in West Asia.
...

I doubt that any of these components (South Asian, West Asian) are ancestral. Plus ANE in South Asia and West Asia admixture components do not necessarily translate to overall ANE in South Asians and West Asians.

For example I'm a South Asian from eastern India and my breakdown is approximately completely covered by these three:
SOUTH_ASIAN 57.37%
WEST_ASIAN 17.74%
EAST_EURO 13.20%

These have ANE in the proportions 28.94%, 26.64%, and 24.8% respectively. So essentially as all of them have very levels of ANE, ~>25% ANE is reflected all across my make-up. For South Asia any input from West Asia or Europe (i.e population movement) would serve to reduce the ANE.

Krefter
01-08-2015, 09:38 PM
I doubt that any of these components (South Asian, West Asian) are ancestral. Plus ANE in South Asia and West Asia admixture components do not necessarily translate to overall ANE in South Asians and West Asians.

For example I'm a South Asian from eastern India and my breakdown is approximately completely covered by these three:
SOUTH_ASIAN 57.37%
WEST_ASIAN 17.74%
EAST_EURO 13.20%

These have ANE in the proportions 28.94%, 26.64%, and 24.8% respectively. So essentially as all of them have very levels of ANE, ~>25% ANE is reflected all across my make-up. For South Asia any input from West Asia or Europe (i.e population movement) would serve to reduce the ANE.

Unless the west Asians came from the Caucasus, and the Europeans were like Yamna(around 25% ANE). South Asians seem to not be described well by this test anyways, which is why they scores 5.6% Sub Saharn.

I'm surprised none of the online experts have investigated south Asian mtDNA and Y DNA to break down all their specific lineages, and possible ANE lineages. I know Y DNA R2 and the various mtDNA U2 clades which are popular there are good candidates. K-14(33,000YBP, Russia) had U2(his own basal clade) and was mostly descended of the people who led to ANE and WHG, and since south Asians have little WHG ancestry, their U2 is probably straight from an early ANE migration from northern Asia(or maybe ANE originated down south).

Palisto
01-08-2015, 09:45 PM
That chart doesn't make sense to me, what does that show?

It shows the polar tree of reference populations using Dodecad Globe13 data. It is based on autosomal DNA data.
http://kurdishdna.blogspot.de/2012/11/biogeographical-ancestry-using-dodecad.html

The Barnacle
01-08-2015, 09:46 PM
It shows the polar tree of reference populations using Dodecad Globe13 data. It is based on autosomal DNA data.
http://kurdishdna.blogspot.de/2012/11/biogeographical-ancestry-using-dodecad.html

I don't get the branches though

Krefter
01-08-2015, 10:31 PM
I downloaded the ANE K8 oracle spreadsheet(see here (https://www.dropbox.com/s/th1v8i58a3psmx7/data_EG_K8_ANE_dots.txt?dl=0)), downloaded 4-ancestors oracle(see here (http://bga101.blogspot.com/2014/07/model-yourself-as-mixture-of-ancient.html)), but only included ancient genomes and theoretical Yamna results.

Here are my results...

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Gokhem2+Yamna @ 2.828976
2 LBA_Hungary+Yamna @ 4.894426
3 LBA_Hungary+LBA_Hungary @ 6.212394
4 Gokhem2+LBA_Hungary @ 11.395402
5 Yamna+Yamna @ 13.790192
6 Neolithic_Hungary+Yamna @ 14.052953
7 Stuttgart+Yamna @ 15.687896
28 iterations.


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Yamna +25% Gokhem2 +25% LBA_Hungary @ 2.701068
2 50% Gokhem2 +25% Yamna +25% Yamna @ 2.828976
3 50% LBA_Hungary +25% LBA_Hungary +25% Yamna @ 2.944159
4 50% LBA_Hungary +25% Gokhem2 +25% Yamna @ 4.337262
5 50% LBA_Hungary +25% Yamna +25% Yamna @ 4.894426
6 50% Stuttgart +25% Motala12 +25% Yamna @ 5.094419
7 50% Neolithic_Hungary +25% Motala12 +25% Yamna @ 5.415829
168 iterations.


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Gokhem2+LBA_Hungary+Yamna+Yamna @ 2.701068
2 Gokhem2+Gokhem2+Yamna+Yamna @ 2.828976
3 LBA_Hungary+LBA_Hungary+LBA_Hungary+Yamna @ 2.944159
4 Gokhem2+LBA_Hungary+LBA_Hungary+Yamna @ 4.337262
5 LBA_Hungary+LBA_Hungary+Yamna+Yamna @ 4.894426
6 Motala12+Stuttgart+Stuttgart+Yamna @ 5.094419
7 Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary+Stuttgart+Yamna @ 5.190471
8 Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary+Neolithic_Hungary+Yamna @ 5.415829
9 LBA_Hungary+LBA_Hungary+LBA_Hungary+LBA_Hungary @ 6.212394
10 Gokhem2+Yamna+Yamna+Yamna @ 6.402561
11 LBA_Hungary+LBA_Hungary+Neolithic_Hungary+Yamna @ 6.676337
12 Gokhem2+Gokhem2+LBA_Hungary+Yamna @ 6.806071
13 LBA_Hungary+Neolithic_Hungary+Yamna+Yamna @ 6.967247
14 Gokhem2+Neolithic_Hungary+Yamna+Yamna @ 7.196103
210 iterations.




Gaussian method.
Noise dispersion set to 0.676116


Using 1 population approximation:
1 LBA_Hungary @ 2.077115
2 Yamna @ 6.224053
3 Gokhem2 @ 36.691263
4 Neolithic_Hungary @ 38.019349
5 Stuttgart @ 38.439823
6 Motala12 @ 123.333317
7 Loschbour @ 167.003525
7 iterations.


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Gokhem2+Yamna @ 0.01617
2 LBA_Hungary+Yamna @ 2.005077
3 LBA_Hungary+LBA_Hungary @ 2.077115
4 Neolithic_Hungary+Yamna @ 5.5553
5 Stuttgart+Yamna @ 6.166054
6 Yamna+Yamna @ 6.224053
7 Motala12+Stuttgart @ 6.75476
28 iterations.


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Gokhem2 +25% Yamna +25% Yamna @ 0.01617
2 50% LBA_Hungary +25% LBA_Hungary +25% Yamna @ 0.040837
3 50% Yamna +25% Gokhem2 +25% LBA_Hungary @ 0.045308
4 50% LBA_Hungary +25% Gokhem2 +25% Yamna @ 0.068481
5 50% Stuttgart +25% Motala12 +25% Yamna @ 0.249752
6 50% Neolithic_Hungary +25% Motala12 +25% Yamna @ 0.373588
7 50% LBA_Hungary +25% Neolithic_Hungary +25% Yamna @ 1.74815
168 iterations.


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Gokhem2+Gokhem2+Yamna+Yamna @ 0.01617
2 LBA_Hungary+LBA_Hungary+LBA_Hungary+Yamna @ 0.040837
3 Gokhem2+LBA_Hungary+Yamna+Yamna @ 0.045308
4 Gokhem2+LBA_Hungary+LBA_Hungary+Yamna @ 0.068481
5 Motala12+Stuttgart+Stuttgart+Yamna @ 0.249752

DMXX
01-08-2015, 10:31 PM
The totality of genetic evidence (autosomal, uniparental) indicates West Asians (Armenians, Anatolian Turks, Azeris, Kurds, Iranians) are more closely connected to one another than they are to other groups as defined by other isoglosses (particularly language). For example, a typical Kurd will exhibit a lower genetic distance with an Armenian or Azeri than a Tajik despite Armenians and Azeris not speaking Iranic languages.

This isn't a remarkable proposition. One will observe the exact same pattern (geography overriding linguistic parameters) in places like Northeast Europe or South-Central Asia.

There will be additional pulls in particular directions (e.g. Kurds, Iranians and Turks to Central Asia via autosomal DNA, Armenians towards the Balkans via Y-DNA), but the "heritage substratum" in any particular region is more substantial. When and how this genetic foundation formed is undoubtedly region-specific, so generalisations there won't be very informative.

All of this is essentially an expansion of Palisto's central point, which is correct.

Humanist
01-08-2015, 10:32 PM
Updated Dendrogram with Syrian Jews and Iraqi Mandaeans

Are you the Assyrian? David did not include the Assyrian samples he has?

Krefter
01-08-2015, 10:48 PM
Here are results for of a few modern and ancient Europeans...

Lithuanians. They look like a mix of Mesolithic HGs and Yamna.

Using 2 populations approximation:1 Motala12+Yamna @ 10.970751
2 Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary @ 12.874808
3 Motala12+Stuttgart @ 13.1962
4 LBA_Hungary+Motala12 @ 14.541155
5 Gokhem2+Motala12 @ 17.813432
6 Loschbour+Yamna @ 18.058275
7 LBA_Hungary+Yamna @ 18.252424
28 iterations.


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Yamna +25% Loschbour +25% Yamna @ 2.329822
2 50% Yamna +25% LBA_Hungary +25% Motala12 @ 4.013592
3 50% Yamna +25% LBA_Hungary +25% Loschbour @ 4.523636
4 50% Yamna +25% Gokhem2 +25% Motala12 @ 4.711123
5 50% LBA_Hungary +25% Motala12 +25% Yamna @ 4.905281
6 50% Motala12 +25% Stuttgart +25% Yamna @ 6.339279
7 50% Motala12 +25% Neolithic_Hungary +25% Yamna @ 6.852464
168 iterations.


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Loschbour+Yamna+Yamna+Yamna @ 2.329822
2 LBA_Hungary+Motala12+Yamna+Yamna @ 4.013592
3 LBA_Hungary+Loschbour+Yamna+Yamna @ 4.523636
4 Gokhem2+Motala12+Yamna+Yamna @ 4.711123
5 LBA_Hungary+LBA_Hungary+Motala12+Yamna @ 4.905281
6 Motala12+Motala12+Stuttgart+Yamna @ 6.339279
7 Motala12+Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary+Yamna @ 6.852464
8 Motala12+Yamna+Yamna+Yamna @ 7.305421
9 Gokhem2+Loschbour+Yamna+Yamna @ 7.399841
10 Gokhem2+LBA_Hungary+Motala12+Yamna @ 7.546585
11 LBA_Hungary+LBA_Hungary+LBA_Hungary+Motala12 @ 8.787932
12 LBA_Hungary+LBA_Hungary+Loschbour+Yamna @ 8.983964
13 Gokhem2+Gokhem2+Motala12+Yamna @ 10.354086
14 LBA_Hungary+Motala12+Motala12+Stuttgart @ 10.850618
210 iterations.




Gaussian method.
Noise dispersion set to 0.676116


Using 1 population approximation:
1 Yamna @ 7.397037
2 LBA_Hungary @ 7.483803
3 Gokhem2 @ 42.732438
4 Neolithic_Hungary @ 44.613594
5 Stuttgart @ 45.062782
6 Motala12 @ 66.634683
7 Loschbour @ 105.154856
7 iterations.


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Motala12+Yamna @ 4.961268
2 LBA_Hungary+Motala12 @ 6.034729
3 LBA_Hungary+Yamna @ 6.403356
4 Loschbour+Yamna @ 6.673456
5 Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary @ 6.727483
6 Motala12+Stuttgart @ 6.791564
7 Gokhem2+Yamna @ 6.991753
28 iterations.


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Yamna +25% Loschbour +25% Yamna @ 2.444848
2 50% Yamna +25% LBA_Hungary +25% Loschbour @ 3.185586
3 50% Yamna +25% LBA_Hungary +25% Motala12 @ 3.342116
4 50% Yamna +25% Gokhem2 +25% Motala12 @ 3.440656
5 50% LBA_Hungary +25% Motala12 +25% Yamna @ 3.729246
6 50% Motala12 +25% Stuttgart +25% Yamna @ 3.778367
7 50% Yamna +25% Motala12 +25% Yamna @ 3.794106
168 iterations.


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Loschbour+Yamna+Yamna+Yamna @ 2.444848
2 LBA_Hungary+Loschbour+Yamna+Yamna @ 3.185586
3 LBA_Hungary+Motala12+Yamna+Yamna @ 3.342116
4 Gokhem2+Motala12+Yamna+Yamna @ 3.440656
5 LBA_Hungary+LBA_Hungary+Motala12+Yamna @ 3.729246
6 Motala12+Motala12+Stuttgart+Yamna @ 3.778367

Basque

Using 1 population approximation:1 LBA_Hungary @ 5.367272
2 Gokhem2 @ 7.218036
3 Yamna @ 23.391229
4 Neolithic_Hungary @ 27.870468
5 Stuttgart @ 31.113966
6 Motala12 @ 61.061822
7 Loschbour @ 71.863291
7 iterations.


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Gokhem2+LBA_Hungary @ 2.391622
2 LBA_Hungary+LBA_Hungary @ 5.367272
3 Gokhem2+Gokhem2 @ 7.218036
4 Gokhem2+Yamna @ 8.200669
5 LBA_Hungary+Neolithic_Hungary @ 12.41264
6 LBA_Hungary+Yamna @ 14.055333
7 LBA_Hungary+Stuttgart @ 14.07896
28 iterations.


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Stuttgart +25% LBA_Hungary +25% Motala12 @ 0.95782
2 50% Gokhem2 +25% Gokhem2 +25% Yamna @ 1.257798
3 50% Stuttgart +25% Loschbour +25% Yamna @ 2.197591
4 50% Neolithic_Hungary +25% LBA_Hungary +25% Motala12 @ 2.222164
5 50% Stuttgart +25% Gokhem2 +25% Motala12 @ 2.349518
6 50% Gokhem2 +25% LBA_Hungary +25% LBA_Hungary @ 2.391622
7 50% LBA_Hungary +25% Gokhem2 +25% LBA_Hungary @ 2.929204
168 iterations.


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 LBA_Hungary+Motala12+Stuttgart+Stuttgart @ 0.95782
2 Gokhem2+Gokhem2+Gokhem2+Yamna @ 1.257798
3 LBA_Hungary+Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary+Stuttgart @ 1.492163
4 Loschbour+Stuttgart+Stuttgart+Yamna @ 2.197591
5 LBA_Hungary+Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary+Neolithic_H ungary @ 2.222164
6 Gokhem2+Motala12+Stuttgart+Stuttgart @ 2.349518
7 Gokhem2+Gokhem2+LBA_Hungary+LBA_Hungary @ 2.391622
8 Gokhem2+Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary+Stuttgart @ 2.56818
9 Gokhem2+LBA_Hungary+LBA_Hungary+LBA_Hungary @ 2.929204
10 Gokhem2+Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary+Neolithic_Hunga ry @ 3.012173
11 Loschbour+Neolithic_Hungary+Stuttgart+Yamna @ 3.02546
12 Gokhem2+Gokhem2+LBA_Hungary+Yamna @ 3.725435
13 Loschbour+Neolithic_Hungary+Neolithic_Hungary+Yamn a @ 3.857426
14 Gokhem2+Gokhem2+Gokhem2+LBA_Hungary @ 4.497384
210 iterations.




Gaussian method.
Noise dispersion set to 0.676116


Using 1 population approximation:
1 LBA_Hungary @ 3.996675
2 Yamna @ 7.427214
3 Gokhem2 @ 12.803532
4 Neolithic_Hungary @ 14.590298
5 Stuttgart @ 15.178156
6 Motala12 @ 97.684067
7 Loschbour @ 120.339937
7 iterations.


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Gokhem2+LBA_Hungary @ 3.191158
2 LBA_Hungary+LBA_Hungary @ 3.996675
3 Gokhem2+Yamna @ 4.240077
4 LBA_Hungary+Neolithic_Hungary @ 4.346831
5 LBA_Hungary+Stuttgart @ 4.726306
6 Motala12+Stuttgart @ 5.12251
7 Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary @ 5.504386
28 iterations.


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Stuttgart +25% Loschbour +25% Yamna @ 1.945677
2 50% Neolithic_Hungary +25% Loschbour +25% Yamna @ 2.186852
3 50% Stuttgart +25% LBA_Hungary +25% Motala12 @ 2.711835
4 50% Stuttgart +25% Gokhem2 +25% Motala12 @ 2.733757
5 50% Neolithic_Hungary +25% LBA_Hungary +25% Motala12 @ 2.774934
6 50% Neolithic_Hungary +25% Gokhem2 +25% Motala12 @ 2.788834
7 50% Gokhem2 +25% Gokhem2 +25% Yamna @ 2.827824
168 iterations.


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Loschbour+Stuttgart+Stuttgart+Yamna @ 1.945677
2 Loschbour+Neolithic_Hungary+Stuttgart+Yamna @ 2.055264
3 Loschbour+Neolithic_Hungary+Neolithic_Hungary+Yamn a @ 2.186852
4 LBA_Hungary+Motala12+Stuttgart+Stuttgart @ 2.711835
5 LBA_Hungary+Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary+Stuttgart @ 2.732784
6 Gokhem2+Motala12+Stuttgart+Stuttgart @ 2.733757
7 Gokhem2+Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary+Stuttgart @ 2.750818
8 LBA_Hungary+Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary+Neolithic_H ungary @ 2.774934
9 Gokhem2+Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary+Neolithic_Hunga ry @ 2.788834
10 Gokhem2+Gokhem2+Gokhem2+Yamna @ 2.827824
11 Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary+Neolithic_Hungary+Neoli thic_Hungary @ 2.852347
12 Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary+Neolithic_Hungary+Stutt gart @ 2.986869
13 Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary+Stuttgart+Stuttgart @ 3.132411
14 Gokhem2+Gokhem2+Neolithic_Hungary+Yamna @ 3.162053
210 iterations.

Gok2, Neolithic Sweden. About 25% WHG and 75% EEF.

Least-squares method.


Using 1 population approximation:
1 Neolithic_Hungary @ 28.554557
2 Yamna @ 30.490397
3 Stuttgart @ 31.901092
4 Motala12 @ 61.289482
5 Loschbour @ 69.865798
5 iterations.


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Motala12+Stuttgart @ 16.236869
2 Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary @ 17.615904
3 Loschbour+Stuttgart @ 19.016849
4 Loschbour+Neolithic_Hungary @ 20.689645
5 Neolithic_Hungary+Yamna @ 22.093041
15 iterations.


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Neolithic_Hungary +25% Loschbour +25% Neolithic_Hungary @ 4.080854
2 50% Neolithic_Hungary +25% Loschbour +25% Stuttgart @ 4.892386
3 50% Stuttgart +25% Loschbour +25% Neolithic_Hungary @ 5.711379
4 50% Stuttgart +25% Loschbour +25% Stuttgart @ 6.535027
5 50% Stuttgart +25% Loschbour +25% Yamna @ 7.381243
60 iterations.


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Loschbour+Neolithic_Hungary+Neolithic_Hungary+Neol ithic_Hungary @ 4.080854
2 Loschbour+Neolithic_Hungary+Neolithic_Hungary+Stut tgart @ 4.892386
3 Loschbour+Neolithic_Hungary+Stuttgart+Stuttgart @ 5.711379
4 Loschbour+Stuttgart+Stuttgart+Stuttgart @ 6.535027
5 Loschbour+Stuttgart+Stuttgart+Yamna @ 7.381243
6 Loschbour+Neolithic_Hungary+Stuttgart+Yamna @ 7.487088
7 Loschbour+Neolithic_Hungary+Neolithic_Hungary+Yamn a @ 7.683265
8 Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary+Neolithic_Hungary+Neoli thic_Hungary @ 8.303673
9 Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary+Neolithic_Hungary+Stutt gart @ 9.009286
10 Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary+Stuttgart+Stuttgart @ 9.7358
70 iterations.




Gaussian method.
Noise dispersion set to 0.676116


Using 1 population approximation:
1 Neolithic_Hungary @ 7.748733
2 Stuttgart @ 8.737435
3 Yamna @ 9.014407
4 Motala12 @ 91.636588
5 Loschbour @ 108.886923
5 iterations.


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Loschbour+Stuttgart @ 5.132013
2 Loschbour+Neolithic_Hungary @ 5.558798
3 Motala12+Stuttgart @ 6.048352
4 Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary @ 6.291769
5 Neolithic_Hungary+Yamna @ 7.464979
15 iterations.


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Neolithic_Hungary +25% Loschbour +25% Neolithic_Hungary @ 1.554036
2 50% Neolithic_Hungary +25% Loschbour +25% Stuttgart @ 1.768804
3 50% Stuttgart +25% Loschbour +25% Neolithic_Hungary @ 1.974185
4 50% Stuttgart +25% Loschbour +25% Stuttgart @ 2.17472
5 50% Neolithic_Hungary +25% Motala12 +25% Neolithic_Hungary @ 4.324766
60 iterations.




Hinxton 4 a Celt from Iron age Britain. His best fit is 50% Yamna, 25% WHG, and 25% EEF.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Motala12+Stuttgart @ 9.670669
2 Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary @ 10.517274
3 LBA_Hungary+LBA_Hungary @ 10.536181
4 LBA_Hungary+Yamna @ 10.928309
5 Gokhem2+Yamna @ 11.305792
6 Gokhem2+LBA_Hungary @ 15.053829
7 Yamna+Yamna @ 17.56978
28 iterations.


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Yamna +25% Loschbour +25% Neolithic_Hungary @ 3.329873
2 50% Yamna +25% Loschbour +25% Stuttgart @ 3.556727
3 50% Yamna +25% Motala12 +25% Neolithic_Hungary @ 3.855823
4 50% Yamna +25% Gokhem2 +25% Motala12 @ 4.12715
5 50% Yamna +25% Motala12 +25% Stuttgart @ 4.6221
6 50% LBA_Hungary +25% Motala12 +25% Yamna @ 5.012922
7 50% Yamna +25% LBA_Hungary +25% Motala12 @ 6.079461
168 iterations.


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Loschbour+Neolithic_Hungary+Yamna+Yamna @ 3.329873
2 Loschbour+Stuttgart+Yamna+Yamna @ 3.556727
3 LBA_Hungary+Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary+Yamna @ 3.788826
4 Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary+Yamna+Yamna @ 3.855823
5 Gokhem2+Motala12+Yamna+Yamna @ 4.12715
6 LBA_Hungary+Motala12+Stuttgart+Yamna @ 4.35113
7 Motala12+Stuttgart+Yamna+Yamna @ 4.6221
8 LBA_Hungary+LBA_Hungary+Motala12+Yamna @ 5.012922
9 Gokhem2+LBA_Hungary+Motala12+Yamna @ 5.657413
10 LBA_Hungary+Motala12+Yamna+Yamna @ 6.079461
11 Gokhem2+Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary+Yamna @ 6.413513
12 LBA_Hungary+Loschbour+Yamna+Yamna @ 6.769876
13 Gokhem2+Motala12+Stuttgart+Yamna @ 6.778207
14 Loschbour+Yamna+Yamna+Yamna @ 7.111914
210 iterations.




Gaussian method.
Noise dispersion set to 0.676116


Using 1 population approximation:
1 LBA_Hungary @ 4.883147
2 Yamna @ 5.77913
3 Gokhem2 @ 32.929802
4 Neolithic_Hungary @ 34.442174
5 Stuttgart @ 34.837006
6 Motala12 @ 76.8716
7 Loschbour @ 108.032781
7 iterations.


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Gokhem2+Yamna @ 4.266148
2 LBA_Hungary+Yamna @ 4.310129
3 Motala12+Stuttgart @ 4.832451
4 LBA_Hungary+LBA_Hungary @ 4.883147
5 Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary @ 4.967048
6 Yamna+Yamna @ 5.77913
7 Motala12+Yamna @ 6.979222
28 iterations.


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Yamna +25% Loschbour +25% Neolithic_Hungary @ 2.188609
2 50% Yamna +25% Loschbour +25% Stuttgart @ 2.234685
3 50% Yamna +25% Motala12 +25% Neolithic_Hungary @ 2.662151
4 50% Yamna +25% Motala12 +25% Stuttgart @ 2.780574
5 50% Yamna +25% Gokhem2 +25% Motala12 @ 2.990455
6 50% Yamna +25% Loschbour +25% Yamna @ 3.146255
7 50% Yamna +25% LBA_Hungary +25% Loschbour @ 3.196383
168 iterations.


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Loschbour+Neolithic_Hungary+Yamna+Yamna @ 2.188609
2 Loschbour+Stuttgart+Yamna+Yamna @ 2.234685
3 Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary+Yamna+Yamna @ 2.662151
4 Motala12+Stuttgart+Yamna+Yamna @ 2.780574
5 Gokhem2+Motala12+Yamna+Yamna @ 2.990455
6 LBA_Hungary+Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary+Yamna @ 3.012759
7 LBA_Hungary+Motala12+Stuttgart+Yamna @ 3.085265
8 Loschbour+Yamna+Yamna+Yamna @ 3.146255
9 LBA_Hungary+Loschbour+Yamna+Yamna @ 3.196383
10 Gokhem2+Loschbour+Yamna+Yamna @ 3.286493
11 LBA_Hungary+LBA_Hungary+Motala12+Yamna @ 3.412677
12 Gokhem2+LBA_Hungary+Motala12+Yamna @ 3.457775
13 LBA_Hungary+Motala12+Yamna+Yamna @ 3.498966
14 Gokhem2+Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary+Yamna @ 3.640076
210 iterations.

J Man
01-08-2015, 10:51 PM
The totality of genetic evidence (autosomal, uniparental) indicates West Asians (Armenians, Anatolian Turks, Azeris, Kurds, Iranians) are more closely connected to one another than they are to other groups as defined by other isoglosses (particularly language). For example, a typical Kurd will exhibit a lower genetic distance with an Armenian or Azeri than a Tajik despite Armenians and Azeris not speaking Iranic languages.

This isn't a remarkable proposition. One will observe the exact same pattern (geography overriding linguistic parameters) in places like Northeast Europe or South-Central Asia.

There will be additional pulls in particular directions (e.g. Kurds, Iranians and Turks to Central Asia via autosomal DNA, Armenians towards the Balkans via Y-DNA), but the "heritage substratum" in any particular region is more substantial. When and how this genetic foundation formed is undoubtedly region-specific, so generalisations there won't be very informative.

All of this is essentially an expansion of Palisto's central point, which is correct.

That is all very true. This study based on Y-DNA and mtDNA showed that geographically close but linguistically distant Indo-European speaking Bakhtiari and Afro-Asiatic speaking Iranian Arabs are genetically quite similar overall even though they speak languages belonging to different language families.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1469-1809.2007.00413.x/full

Krefter
01-08-2015, 11:08 PM
Because Southeastern Europeans probably have more ancestry from the post-Neolithic near east than other Europeans, I included Lebanon, Syria, Samartian, and Cyprian.

Greeks and central-south Italians have a little less near eastern than early Neolithic European farmers, but close to 10% ANE, and so there's defiantly recent near eastern ancestry somewhere. They look to be mostly Yamna and Neolithic European(but how do we know Neolithics in Greece were like ones in Hungary?). The best method for breaking down recent ancestry is with Eurogenes K15, but still the results are interesting.

Greek

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Neolithic_Hungary @ 13.490042
2 Stuttgart @ 13.981956
3 Cyprian @ 19.668311
4 Syrian @ 23.633509
5 Lebanon @ 23.786857
6 LBA_Hungary @ 28.791775
7 Yamna @ 29.669829
8 Gokhem2 @ 31.078285
9 Samaritan @ 32.899554
10 Motala12 @ 86.526653
11 Loschbour @ 98.942925
11 iterations.


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 LBA_Hungary+Samaritan @ 4.466121
2 LBA_Hungary+Cyprian @ 5.146705
3 LBA_Hungary+Syrian @ 6.063192
4 Yamna+Samaritan @ 7.292938
5 Yamna+Cyprian @ 7.702519
6 Gokhem2+Syrian @ 7.822878
7 LBA_Hungary+Lebanon @ 8.250071
8 Gokhem2+Cyprian @ 9.029367
9 Gokhem2+Lebanon @ 9.67275
10 Gokhem2+Samaritan @ 9.823188
11 Stuttgart+Yamna @ 10.471324
66 iterations.


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Neolithic_Hungary +25% Yamna +25% Syrian @ 2.776221
2 50% Stuttgart +25% Yamna +25% Syrian @ 2.978639
3 50% Samaritan +25% Motala12 +25% Cyprian @ 3.149799
4 50% Stuttgart +25% Yamna +25% Cyprian @ 3.272609
5 50% Stuttgart +25% Yamna +25% Lebanon @ 3.275039
6 50% Neolithic_Hungary +25% Yamna +25% Cyprian @ 3.35853
7 50% Neolithic_Hungary +25% Yamna +25% Lebanon @ 3.405049
8 50% LBA_Hungary +25% Samaritan +25% Cyprian @ 3.472083
9 50% Cyprian +25% Gokhem2 +25% Yamna @ 3.512218
10 50% Samaritan +25% LBA_Hungary +25% Yamna @ 3.736314
11 50% LBA_Hungary +25% Samaritan +25% Syrian @ 3.775435
660 iterations.


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Gokhem2+Yamna+Samaritan+Cyprian @ 1.838357
2 LBA_Hungary+Yamna+Samaritan+Cyprian @ 2.443162
3 Neolithic_Hungary+Stuttgart+Yamna+Syrian @ 2.754756
4 Neolithic_Hungary+Neolithic_Hungary+Yamna+Syrian @ 2.776221
5 Stuttgart+Stuttgart+Yamna+Syrian @ 2.978639
6 Motala12+Samaritan+Samaritan+Cyprian @ 3.149799
7 Neolithic_Hungary+Stuttgart+Yamna+Cyprian @ 3.208377
8 Neolithic_Hungary+Stuttgart+Yamna+Lebanon @ 3.234031
9 Stuttgart+Stuttgart+Yamna+Cyprian @ 3.272609
10 Stuttgart+Stuttgart+Yamna+Lebanon @ 3.275039
11 Gokhem2+Yamna+Samaritan+Syrian @ 3.282731
12 Neolithic_Hungary+Neolithic_Hungary+Yamna+Cyprian @ 3.35853
13 Neolithic_Hungary+Neolithic_Hungary+Yamna+Lebanon @ 3.405049
14 LBA_Hungary+LBA_Hungary+Samaritan+Cyprian @ 3.472083
15 Gokhem2+Yamna+Cyprian+Cyprian @ 3.512218
16 Gokhem2+Yamna+Lebanon+Samaritan @ 3.561021
17 LBA_Hungary+Yamna+Samaritan+Samaritan @ 3.736314
18 LBA_Hungary+LBA_Hungary+Samaritan+Syrian @ 3.775435
19 Neolithic_Hungary+Yamna+Cyprian+Cyprian @ 3.8778
20 Gokhem2+Yamna+Syrian+Cyprian @ 4.062038
21 Gokhem2+Yamna+Samaritan+Samaritan @ 4.092374
22 LBA_Hungary+LBA_Hungary+Lebanon+Samaritan @ 4.274252
1001 iterations.




Gaussian method.
Noise dispersion set to 0.676116


Using 1 population approximation:
1 Cyprian @ 8.658295
2 LBA_Hungary @ 9.037693
3 Yamna @ 9.439681
4 Lebanon @ 14.102968
5 Syrian @ 15.237792
6 Samaritan @ 20.556248
7 Neolithic_Hungary @ 24.115355
8 Stuttgart @ 24.140538
9 Gokhem2 @ 25.412584
10 Motala12 @ 142.575211
11 Loschbour @ 179.272453
11 iterations.


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Stuttgart+Yamna @ 4.095436
2 LBA_Hungary+Cyprian @ 4.154729
3 Yamna+Cyprian @ 4.48512
4 Neolithic_Hungary+Yamna @ 4.502799
5 LBA_Hungary+Samaritan @ 5.093974
6 Yamna+Samaritan @ 5.309225
7 LBA_Hungary+Syrian @ 6.146603
8 LBA_Hungary+Stuttgart @ 6.162855
9 Gokhem2+Cyprian @ 6.172711
10 LBA_Hungary+Lebanon @ 6.281248
11 LBA_Hungary+Neolithic_Hungary @ 6.46121
66 iterations.


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Stuttgart +25% Yamna +25% Cyprian @ 2.824978
2 50% Neolithic_Hungary +25% Yamna +25% Cyprian @ 2.881612
3 50% Cyprian +25% Neolithic_Hungary +25% Yamna @ 3.430435
4 50% Cyprian +25% Stuttgart +25% Yamna @ 3.539633
5 50% Stuttgart +25% Stuttgart +25% Yamna @ 3.56094
6 50% Stuttgart +25% Neolithic_Hungary +25% Yamna @ 3.661573
7 50% Cyprian +25% Gokhem2 +25% Yamna @ 3.754979
8 50% Neolithic_Hungary +25% Stuttgart +25% Yamna @ 3.775777
9 50% Neolithic_Hungary +25% Neolithic_Hungary +25% Yamna @ 3.901722
10 50% Cyprian +25% LBA_Hungary +25% Yamna @ 3.965357
11 50% Yamna +25% Stuttgart +25% Cyprian @ 3.972092
660 iterations.


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Stuttgart+Stuttgart+Yamna+Cyprian @ 2.824978
2 Neolithic_Hungary+Stuttgart+Yamna+Cyprian @ 2.839341
3 Neolithic_Hungary+Neolithic_Hungary+Yamna+Cyprian @ 2.881612
4 Neolithic_Hungary+Yamna+Cyprian+Cyprian @ 3.430435
5 Stuttgart+Yamna+Cyprian+Cyprian @ 3.539633
6 Stuttgart+Stuttgart+Stuttgart+Yamna @ 3.56094
7 Neolithic_Hungary+Stuttgart+Stuttgart+Yamna @ 3.661573
8 Gokhem2+Yamna+Cyprian+Cyprian @ 3.754979
9 Neolithic_Hungary+Neolithic_Hungary+Stuttgart+Yamn a @ 3.775777
10 Neolithic_Hungary+Neolithic_Hungary+Neolithic_Hung ary+Yamna @ 3.901722
11 LBA_Hungary+Stuttgart+Yamna+Cyprian @ 3.915183
12 LBA_Hungary+Yamna+Cyprian+Cyprian @ 3.965357
13 Stuttgart+Yamna+Yamna+Cyprian @ 3.972092
14 Gokhem2+Stuttgart+Yamna+Cyprian @ 4.064987
15 Neolithic_Hungary+Neolithic_Hungary+Yamna+Samarita n @ 4.070702
16 LBA_Hungary+Neolithic_Hungary+Yamna+Cyprian @ 4.081501
17 Stuttgart+Stuttgart+Yamna+Yamna @ 4.095436
18 Neolithic_Hungary+Stuttgart+Yamna+Samaritan @ 4.114143
19 Neolithic_Hungary+Yamna+Yamna+Cyprian @ 4.114182
20 LBA_Hungary+LBA_Hungary+Cyprian+Cyprian @ 4.154729
21 Stuttgart+Stuttgart+Yamna+Samaritan @ 4.176744
22 Gokhem2+Yamna+Samaritan+Cyprian @ 4.203006
1001 iterations.

Tuscan

Least-squares method.


Using 1 population approximation:
1 Neolithic_Hungary @ 13.81798
2 Stuttgart @ 15.607714
3 LBA_Hungary @ 23.153131
4 Gokhem2 @ 25.323342
5 Cyprian @ 25.443796
6 Yamna @ 26.515021
7 Lebanon @ 27.784896
8 Syrian @ 29.0082
9 Samaritan @ 38.482307
10 Motala12 @ 80.9144
11 Loschbour @ 92.997644
11 iterations.


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 LBA_Hungary+Cyprian @ 3.211121
2 LBA_Hungary+Lebanon @ 4.970633
3 LBA_Hungary+Syrian @ 5.637316
4 Gokhem2+Lebanon @ 5.861825
5 Gokhem2+Syrian @ 6.353725
6 Stuttgart+Yamna @ 6.713809
7 Gokhem2+Cyprian @ 7.036162
8 Neolithic_Hungary+Yamna @ 7.910777
9 LBA_Hungary+Samaritan @ 8.529388
10 LBA_Hungary+Stuttgart @ 9.466148
11 Yamna+Cyprian @ 10.048618
66 iterations.


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% LBA_Hungary +25% Lebanon +25% Cyprian @ 2.134611
2 50% LBA_Hungary +25% Cyprian +25% Cyprian @ 3.211121
3 50% Cyprian +25% Motala12 +25% Cyprian @ 3.310008
4 50% Cyprian +25% Motala12 +25% Lebanon @ 3.409173
5 50% LBA_Hungary +25% Stuttgart +25% Lebanon @ 3.53231
6 50% Cyprian +25% Motala12 +25% Samaritan @ 3.7425
7 50% LBA_Hungary +25% Syrian +25% Cyprian @ 3.856775
8 50% Cyprian +25% Gokhem2 +25% Yamna @ 4.140976
9 50% LBA_Hungary +25% Neolithic_Hungary +25% Lebanon @ 4.233415
10 50% LBA_Hungary +25% Stuttgart +25% Syrian @ 4.273798
11 50% Cyprian +25% Motala12 +25% Syrian @ 4.342461
660 iterations.


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Gokhem2+Stuttgart+Yamna+Lebanon @ 1.845214
2 LBA_Hungary+LBA_Hungary+Lebanon+Cyprian @ 2.134611
3 Gokhem2+Neolithic_Hungary+Yamna+Lebanon @ 2.587715
4 Gokhem2+LBA_Hungary+Lebanon+Cyprian @ 2.843517
5 Motala12+Stuttgart+Lebanon+Samaritan @ 2.989134
6 LBA_Hungary+LBA_Hungary+Cyprian+Cyprian @ 3.211121
7 Motala12+Cyprian+Cyprian+Cyprian @ 3.310008
8 Gokhem2+Stuttgart+Yamna+Syrian @ 3.3621
9 Motala12+Lebanon+Cyprian+Cyprian @ 3.409173
10 LBA_Hungary+Stuttgart+Yamna+Lebanon @ 3.446216
11 LBA_Hungary+LBA_Hungary+Stuttgart+Lebanon @ 3.53231
12 LBA_Hungary+Neolithic_Hungary+Yamna+Samaritan @ 3.565638
13 Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary+Lebanon+Samaritan @ 3.600346
14 Motala12+Lebanon+Samaritan+Cyprian @ 3.612702
15 Gokhem2+Neolithic_Hungary+Yamna+Syrian @ 3.6849
16 Motala12+Samaritan+Cyprian+Cyprian @ 3.7425
17 Gokhem2+Yamna+Lebanon+Cyprian @ 3.805312
18 LBA_Hungary+Stuttgart+Yamna+Samaritan @ 3.829141
19 Gokhem2+Stuttgart+Yamna+Cyprian @ 3.838051
20 LBA_Hungary+LBA_Hungary+Syrian+Cyprian @ 3.856775
21 LBA_Hungary+Neolithic_Hungary+Yamna+Lebanon @ 3.924498
22 LBA_Hungary+Stuttgart+Yamna+Cyprian @ 3.97701
1001 iterations.




Gaussian method.
Noise dispersion set to 0.676116


Using 1 population approximation:
1 LBA_Hungary @ 10.13943
2 Cyprian @ 11.490781
3 Yamna @ 11.498567
4 Lebanon @ 16.872601
5 Syrian @ 18.662857
6 Neolithic_Hungary @ 21.824508
7 Stuttgart @ 21.952044
8 Gokhem2 @ 22.799445
9 Samaritan @ 25.704269
10 Motala12 @ 140.746427
11 Loschbour @ 177.267382
11 iterations.


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 LBA_Hungary+Lebanon @ 5.491884
2 LBA_Hungary+Cyprian @ 5.825493
3 Gokhem2+Lebanon @ 6.267658
4 LBA_Hungary+Syrian @ 6.689102
5 Gokhem2+Cyprian @ 6.802737
6 Yamna+Cyprian @ 6.906863
7 Yamna+Lebanon @ 6.967444
8 Gokhem2+Syrian @ 7.018896
9 Stuttgart+Yamna @ 8.057955
10 Neolithic_Hungary+Lebanon @ 8.091994
11 Yamna+Syrian @ 8.098716
66 iterations.


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Neolithic_Hungary +25% Yamna +25% Lebanon @ 3.827624
2 50% Stuttgart +25% Yamna +25% Lebanon @ 4.102712
3 50% LBA_Hungary +25% Stuttgart +25% Lebanon @ 4.2536
4 50% LBA_Hungary +25% Neolithic_Hungary +25% Lebanon @ 4.32884
5 50% LBA_Hungary +25% Lebanon +25% Cyprian @ 4.539538
6 50% Yamna +25% Stuttgart +25% Lebanon @ 4.848146
7 50% Yamna +25% Neolithic_Hungary +25% Lebanon @ 4.861708
8 50% Neolithic_Hungary +25% LBA_Hungary +25% Lebanon @ 4.875665
9 50% Cyprian +25% Motala12 +25% Lebanon @ 4.951469
10 50% Cyprian +25% Loschbour +25% Lebanon @ 5.018154
11 50% Stuttgart +25% LBA_Hungary +25% Lebanon @ 5.024447
660 iterations.


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Neolithic_Hungary+Neolithic_Hungary+Yamna+Lebanon @ 3.827624
2 Gokhem2+Stuttgart+Yamna+Lebanon @ 3.889795
3 Gokhem2+Neolithic_Hungary+Yamna+Lebanon @ 3.944691
4 Neolithic_Hungary+Stuttgart+Yamna+Lebanon @ 3.955747
5 Stuttgart+Stuttgart+Yamna+Lebanon @ 4.102712
6 LBA_Hungary+Stuttgart+Yamna+Lebanon @ 4.159023
7 LBA_Hungary+Neolithic_Hungary+Yamna+Lebanon @ 4.209603
8 LBA_Hungary+LBA_Hungary+Stuttgart+Lebanon @ 4.2536
9 LBA_Hungary+LBA_Hungary+Neolithic_Hungary+Lebanon @ 4.32884
10 LBA_Hungary+LBA_Hungary+Lebanon+Cyprian @ 4.539538
11 Gokhem2+Yamna+Lebanon+Cyprian @ 4.598807
12 Gokhem2+LBA_Hungary+Lebanon+Cyprian @ 4.623855
13 Motala12+Stuttgart+Lebanon+Cyprian @ 4.714469
14 Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary+Lebanon+Cyprian @ 4.819523
15 Stuttgart+Yamna+Yamna+Lebanon @ 4.848146
16 Neolithic_Hungary+Yamna+Yamna+Lebanon @ 4.861708
17 LBA_Hungary+Neolithic_Hungary+Neolithic_Hungary+Le banon @ 4.875665
18 Motala12+Stuttgart+Lebanon+Samaritan @ 4.914118
19 LBA_Hungary+Neolithic_Hungary+Stuttgart+Lebanon @ 4.942155
20 Motala12+Lebanon+Cyprian+Cyprian @ 4.951469
21 Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary+Lebanon+Samaritan @ 4.962728
22 Loschbour+Lebanon+Cyprian+Cyprian @ 5.018154
1001 iterations.


Bulgarian

Least-squares method.


Using 1 population approximation:
1 LBA_Hungary @ 15.981844
2 Yamna @ 17.908575
3 Neolithic_Hungary @ 21.471092
4 Gokhem2 @ 21.842434
5 Stuttgart @ 23.75527
6 Cyprian @ 33.339152
7 Lebanon @ 35.213717
8 Syrian @ 36.058005
9 Samaritan @ 46.5096
10 Motala12 @ 72.971181
11 Loschbour @ 86.195236
11 iterations.


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Neolithic_Hungary+Yamna @ 2.539956
2 Stuttgart+Yamna @ 3.777125
3 LBA_Hungary+Cyprian @ 10.101653
4 LBA_Hungary+Neolithic_Hungary @ 10.464315
5 LBA_Hungary+Stuttgart @ 10.47091
6 LBA_Hungary+Lebanon @ 10.880525
7 LBA_Hungary+Syrian @ 10.991237
8 Yamna+Cyprian @ 11.910762
9 Gokhem2+Yamna @ 12.904676
10 Gokhem2+Lebanon @ 13.648217
11 Gokhem2+Syrian @ 13.697883
66 iterations.


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% LBA_Hungary +25% Yamna +25% Samaritan @ 1.886726
2 50% Yamna +25% Gokhem2 +25% Cyprian @ 2.343725
3 50% LBA_Hungary +25% Yamna +25% Cyprian @ 2.506438
4 50% Neolithic_Hungary +25% Yamna +25% Yamna @ 2.539956
5 50% Samaritan +25% Motala12 +25% Yamna @ 2.656116
6 50% Yamna +25% Gokhem2 +25% Samaritan @ 2.871871
7 50% LBA_Hungary +25% Yamna +25% Syrian @ 3.10157
8 50% Yamna +25% Neolithic_Hungary +25% Stuttgart @ 3.10771
9 50% LBA_Hungary +25% Yamna +25% Lebanon @ 3.598442
10 50% Yamna +25% Gokhem2 +25% Syrian @ 3.7455
11 50% Stuttgart +25% Yamna +25% Yamna @ 3.777125
660 iterations.


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 LBA_Hungary+LBA_Hungary+Yamna+Samaritan @ 1.886726
2 Motala12+Yamna+Samaritan+Cyprian @ 2.112047
3 Gokhem2+Yamna+Yamna+Cyprian @ 2.343725
4 LBA_Hungary+LBA_Hungary+Yamna+Cyprian @ 2.506438
5 Neolithic_Hungary+Neolithic_Hungary+Yamna+Yamna @ 2.539956
6 Motala12+Yamna+Samaritan+Samaritan @ 2.656116
7 Gokhem2+Yamna+Yamna+Samaritan @ 2.871871
8 LBA_Hungary+LBA_Hungary+Yamna+Syrian @ 3.10157
9 Neolithic_Hungary+Stuttgart+Yamna+Yamna @ 3.10771
10 Gokhem2+LBA_Hungary+Yamna+Syrian @ 3.140794
11 LBA_Hungary+LBA_Hungary+Yamna+Lebanon @ 3.598442
12 Gokhem2+LBA_Hungary+Yamna+Lebanon @ 3.668714
13 Gokhem2+Yamna+Yamna+Syrian @ 3.7455
14 Gokhem2+LBA_Hungary+Yamna+Cyprian @ 3.765439
15 Stuttgart+Stuttgart+Yamna+Yamna @ 3.777125
16 Motala12+Yamna+Samaritan+Syrian @ 3.790507
17 Gokhem2+Yamna+Yamna+Lebanon @ 3.904747
18 Motala12+Yamna+Lebanon+Samaritan @ 3.990907
19 Gokhem2+LBA_Hungary+Yamna+Samaritan @ 4.102804
20 LBA_Hungary+Motala12+Samaritan+Syrian @ 4.370101
21 LBA_Hungary+Yamna+Yamna+Samaritan @ 4.666668
22 LBA_Hungary+Motala12+Samaritan+Cyprian @ 4.694704
1001 iterations.




Gaussian method.
Noise dispersion set to 0.676116


Using 1 population approximation:
1 LBA_Hungary @ 6.367516
2 Yamna @ 6.818717
3 Cyprian @ 14.426578
4 Lebanon @ 20.691808
5 Syrian @ 22.454453
6 Samaritan @ 30.641276
7 Neolithic_Hungary @ 31.974634
8 Gokhem2 @ 32.051112
9 Stuttgart @ 32.169912
10 Motala12 @ 129.822703
11 Loschbour @ 169.34515
11 iterations.


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Neolithic_Hungary+Yamna @ 2.160042
2 Stuttgart+Yamna @ 2.371227
3 LBA_Hungary+Cyprian @ 5.050903
4 Gokhem2+Yamna @ 5.332324
5 Yamna+Cyprian @ 5.341758
6 LBA_Hungary+Yamna @ 5.794088
7 LBA_Hungary+LBA_Hungary @ 6.367516
8 LBA_Hungary+Stuttgart @ 6.63216
9 LBA_Hungary+Neolithic_Hungary @ 6.638234
10 Motala12+Samaritan @ 6.667554
11 Yamna+Yamna @ 6.818717
66 iterations.


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Neolithic_Hungary +25% Yamna +25% Yamna @ 2.160042
2 50% Yamna +25% Neolithic_Hungary +25% Stuttgart @ 2.246612
3 50% Stuttgart +25% Yamna +25% Yamna @ 2.371227
4 50% Yamna +25% Gokhem2 +25% Cyprian @ 3.073822
5 50% LBA_Hungary +25% Yamna +25% Cyprian @ 3.275522
6 50% Yamna +25% Gokhem2 +25% Stuttgart @ 3.313083
7 50% Yamna +25% Neolithic_Hungary +25% Cyprian @ 3.357999
8 50% Yamna +25% LBA_Hungary +25% Stuttgart @ 3.442724
9 50% Yamna +25% Gokhem2 +25% Neolithic_Hungary @ 3.469249
10 50% Yamna +25% Stuttgart +25% Cyprian @ 3.563238
11 50% Yamna +25% LBA_Hungary +25% Neolithic_Hungary @ 3.595738
660 iterations.


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Neolithic_Hungary+Neolithic_Hungary+Yamna+Yamna @ 2.160042
2 Neolithic_Hungary+Stuttgart+Yamna+Yamna @ 2.246612
3 Stuttgart+Stuttgart+Yamna+Yamna @ 2.371227
4 Gokhem2+Yamna+Yamna+Cyprian @ 3.073822
5 LBA_Hungary+LBA_Hungary+Yamna+Cyprian @ 3.275522
6 Gokhem2+Stuttgart+Yamna+Yamna @ 3.313083
7 Neolithic_Hungary+Yamna+Yamna+Cyprian @ 3.357999
8 LBA_Hungary+Neolithic_Hungary+Yamna+Cyprian @ 3.425743
9 LBA_Hungary+Stuttgart+Yamna+Yamna @ 3.442724
10 Gokhem2+LBA_Hungary+Yamna+Cyprian @ 3.452509
11 Gokhem2+Neolithic_Hungary+Yamna+Yamna @ 3.469249
12 Stuttgart+Yamna+Yamna+Cyprian @ 3.563238
13 LBA_Hungary+Stuttgart+Yamna+Cyprian @ 3.579198
14 LBA_Hungary+Neolithic_Hungary+Yamna+Yamna @ 3.595738
15 LBA_Hungary+Yamna+Yamna+Cyprian @ 3.604804
16 LBA_Hungary+Neolithic_Hungary+Neolithic_Hungary+Ya mna @ 3.655963
17 LBA_Hungary+Neolithic_Hungary+Stuttgart+Yamna @ 3.666211
18 LBA_Hungary+Stuttgart+Stuttgart+Yamna @ 3.698322
19 LBA_Hungary+LBA_Hungary+Stuttgart+Yamna @ 3.825888
20 Motala12+Yamna+Cyprian+Cyprian @ 3.85356
21 Stuttgart+Yamna+Yamna+Yamna @ 3.942631
22 LBA_Hungary+LBA_Hungary+Neolithic_Hungary+Yamna @ 3.984704
1001 iterations.

ZephyrousMandaru
01-08-2015, 11:25 PM
Are you the Assyrian? David did not include the Assyrian samples he has?

Yes I'm the Assyrian, you could donate $25 AU (equivalent to $20 US) and he'll send you to two MDS Plots, two different versions of the West Eurasia K8 test (full version and the Lower_bound Near Eastern version). There's also an Oracle-4 program I'm using, it's the one you could use for the "Ancient Genomes" analysis. I asked David to do the Iraqi Mandaeans for me so I could include them in the dendrogram.

Humanist
01-09-2015, 12:18 AM
[A] typical Kurd will exhibit a lower genetic distance with an Armenian or Azeri than a Tajik despite Armenians and Azeris not speaking Iranic languages.

Some of what you have posted on the Vaêdhya blog clearly supports this, I think. If you had to estimate the shared autosomal ancestry between groups like Iranians, Kurds, Armenians and Assyrians, what would you estimate it at? I am thinking somewhere between 60%-75% of shared ancient ancestry (with more between Armenians and Assyrians, and the same between Iranians and Kurds). Over the millennia, Indo-Iranian speaking groups, Semitic speaking groups, Armenian speaking groups, Turkic speaking groups etc. have contributed to the differences now observed between the aforementioned peoples.

MfA
01-09-2015, 12:50 AM
I downloaded the ANE K8 oracle spreadsheet(see here (https://www.dropbox.com/s/th1v8i58a3psmx7/data_EG_K8_ANE_dots.txt?dl=0)), downloaded 4-ancestors oracle(see here (http://bga101.blogspot.com/2014/07/model-yourself-as-mixture-of-ancient.html)), but only included ancient genomes and theoretical Yamna results.

Here are my results...


What's the theoretical Yamnaya results that you're using?
Anyway I've used the following samples;


Yamnaya 26.0 0 39.0 0 35.0 0 0 0
Afghan_Pashtun 31.43 12.60 47.87 1.98 3.17 1.22 0.17 1.456
West_Asian 26.64 2.12 71.24 0 0 0 0 0
East_Med 6.43 1.59 87.43 0.35 2.01 0.01 0 2.18


My oracle


Least-squares method.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Afghan_Pashtun+West_Asian+East_Med+East_Med @ 3.346164
2 West_Asian+West_Asian+West_Asian+East_Med @ 5.783945
3 Afghan_Pashtun+West_Asian+West_Asian+East_Med @ 5.986519
4 Afghan_Pashtun+Afghan_Pashtun+East_Med+East_Med @ 6.453358
5 Yamnaya+West_Asian+East_Med+East_Med @ 6.859513
6 Yamnaya+West_Asian+West_Asian+East_Med @ 8.221872
7 West_Asian+West_Asian+East_Med+East_Med @ 8.222071
8 Afghan_Pashtun+East_Med+East_Med+East_Med @ 8.457229

The Barnacle
01-09-2015, 01:29 AM
What's the theoretical Yamnaya results that you're using?
Anyway I've used the following samples;


Yamnaya 26.0 0 39.0 0 35.0 0 0 0
Afghan_Pashtun 30.47106 11.8323 46.13318 4.87182 3.84904 1.26248 0.13788 1.44228
West_Asian 26.64 2.12 71.24 0 0 0 0 0
East_Med 6.43 1.59 87.43 0.35 2.01 0.01 0 2.18


My oracle


Least-squares method.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% East_Med +25% Afghan_Pashtun +25% West_Asian @ 3.441443
2 50% West_Asian +25% West_Asian +25% East_Med @ 5.783945
3 50% West_Asian +25% Afghan_Pashtun +25% East_Med @ 6.103431
4 50% East_Med +25% Yamnaya +25% West_Asian @ 6.859513

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Afghan_Pashtun+West_Asian+East_Med+East_Med @ 3.441443
2 West_Asian+West_Asian+West_Asian+East_Med @ 5.783945
3 Afghan_Pashtun+West_Asian+West_Asian+East_Med @ 6.103431
4 Yamnaya+West_Asian+East_Med+East_Med @ 6.859513
5 Afghan_Pashtun+Afghan_Pashtun+East_Med+East_Med @ 7.333812
6 Yamnaya+West_Asian+West_Asian+East_Med @ 8.221872
7 West_Asian+West_Asian+East_Med+East_Med @ 8.222071
8 Afghan_Pashtun+East_Med+East_Med+East_Med @ 8.450131


How come your using afghan pashtun as your reference? Btw, individual results for afghan Pashtuns such HRP0286, HRP0370, Rukha, 2 other afghan Pashtuns and half pashtun Tajik, shows that we are around 48-51% ENF, 26-28% ANE, ASE differing from 9-12%.

parasar
01-09-2015, 01:46 AM
Unless the west Asians came from the Caucasus, and the Europeans were like Yamna(around 25% ANE). South Asians seem to not be described well by this test anyways, which is why they scores 5.6% Sub Saharn.

That would be possible if those Caucasus populations:
1. had a higher ANE %age in remote period than now and increased Basal has reduced their ANE and
2. the higher drift they share with Loschbour when compared to MA1 was not so in the past.



I'm surprised none of the online experts have investigated south Asian mtDNA and Y DNA to break down all their specific lineages, and possible ANE lineages. I know Y DNA R2 and the various mtDNA U2 clades which are popular there are good candidates. K-14(33,000YBP, Russia) had U2(his own basal clade) and was mostly descended of the people who led to ANE and WHG, and since south Asians have little WHG ancestry, their U2 is probably straight from an early ANE migration from northern Asia(or maybe ANE originated down south).

Plus the abundance of R1a1, presence of Q, and presence of P(xQ, xR). I agree that South Asian U2 is quite independent as U2a and U2b are essentially limited to South Asia and U2c'd,e is shared with Europe and West Asia.


The totality of genetic evidence (autosomal, uniparental) indicates West Asians (Armenians, Anatolian Turks, Azeris, Kurds, Iranians) are more closely connected to one another than they are to other groups as defined by other isoglosses (particularly language). For example, a typical Kurd will exhibit a lower genetic distance with an Armenian or Azeri than a Tajik despite Armenians and Azeris not speaking Iranic languages.

This isn't a remarkable proposition. One will observe the exact same pattern (geography overriding linguistic parameters) in places like Northeast Europe or South-Central Asia.

There will be additional pulls in particular directions (e.g. Kurds, Iranians and Turks to Central Asia via autosomal DNA, Armenians towards the Balkans via Y-DNA), but the "heritage substratum" in any particular region is more substantial. When and how this genetic foundation formed is undoubtedly region-specific, so generalisations there won't be very informative.

All of this is essentially an expansion of Palisto's central point, which is correct.

One thing to keep in mind though when we are talking about remote ancestral components, current closeness can be deceptive.
Native Americans for example are closest to modern Siberians and East Asians overall, but a major component among the Amerindians - ANE - shows no closeness to modern Siberians or East Asians. Here ydna was giving us clues masked by modern autosomal closeness.
"Although Native Americans seem to be genetically most closely related to east Asians ... we find autosomal evidence that MA-1 is basal to modern-day western Eurasians and genetically closely related to modern-day Native Americans, with no close affinity to east Asians ... The sister lineage to these extant sub-lineages of haplogroup R, haplogroup Q, is the most common haplogroup in Native Americans" http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4105016/

DMXX
01-09-2015, 01:51 AM
Some of what you have posted on the Vaêdhya blog clearly supports this, I think. If you had to estimate the shared autosomal ancestry between groups like Iranians, Kurds, Armenians and Assyrians, what would you estimate it at? I am thinking somewhere between 60%-75% of shared ancient ancestry (with more between Armenians and Assyrians, and the same between Iranians and Kurds). Over the millennia, Indo-Iranian speaking groups, Semitic speaking groups, Armenian speaking groups, Turkic speaking groups etc. have contributed to the differences now observed between the aforementioned peoples.

That looks like a sensible proposition to me based on the data we have (for those interested, this is the entry Humanist is referring to (http://vaedhya.blogspot.co.uk/2014/08/anchored-in-armenia-exercise-in-genetic.html)).

Armenians and Assyrians probably share upward of 80% of their autosomal ancestry with one another. You were among the first on DNA-Forums to make that inferences and I have followed your recent posts on the topic of segment sharing which I brought up elsewhere. It looks like something particularly ancient strongly binds these two groups together. Between these two and the others, it will probably range between 50-80% depending on the individual's ethnicity and region of origin (e.g. I'm occasionally modelled as 50-50 Assyrian and Tajik, but an eastern Turk will share more with an Assyrian by proxy of affinity towards Armenians).

Kurds, Turks and Iranians have their own individual variance patterns occurring. There's a likely gradiation cline across Turkey, but the eastern end does essentially look quite "Armenian/Georgian" in character, whereas the west seems to fit as some sort of Balkan variant. A western Turk would probably score as 30-60% depending once more on family history.

Kurds and Iranians look to form an even tighter knot with one another than Armenians and Assyrians. My ACD tool (http://vaedhya.blogspot.co.uk/2012/08/introducing-acd-tool.html) demonstrated there's a miniscule (4-8%?) difference between the average Iranian and Kurd. This confidently explains why Iranians and Kurds sometimes observe the other ethno-nationality first on Oracle programs. A major caveat here is, of course, regional diversity. The "Iranian" samples have always been mixed (no attempt to differentiate between Persians from particular parts of the country vs. Azeri Iranians vs. Gilakis etc.) and I pooled together the Kurdish samples for that demonstration. I anticipate some internal diversity, but conservatively speaking, I'd say any one Kurd and Iranian will have at least 85% sharing.

Azeris from the Republic of Azerbaijan are the current question mark. Davidski's ANE K8 run revealed some of their component scores (i.e. ANE) edge closer towards Iranians than Anatolian Turks. Until we have more data, I don't have any estimates on them. Other than the fact they'll be at least 60% with everyone else. I think 60% makes for a sufficient ballpark estimate of generic shared ancestry across the region with 5-10% accounting for intra-population variation.

MfA
01-09-2015, 02:06 AM
How come your using afghan pashtun as your reference? Btw, individual results for afghan Pashtuns such HRP0286, HRP0370, Rukha, 2 other afghan Pashtuns and half pashtun Tajik, shows that we are around 48-51% ENF, 26-28% ANE, ASE differing from 9-12%.

Even though it's far from the proto Indo-Iranians, probably It's the closests modern sample in the spreadsheet, If you take the steppe model as reference. Anyway I recall sein's comment on some mislabeling between an Afghan Tajdik and Pasthun samples, fixed it.

Krefter
01-09-2015, 02:42 AM
My Yamna had 25% ANE, 40% near eastern, and 35% WHG.

I noticed using that oracle that in Europe Yamna fits as an ancestor pretty much everywhere, which makes sense. Balts fit as Yamna+WHG/SHG, Scandnavians and Poles fit as Yamna+WHG/SHG+Gok2, British-Irish fit as Yamna+Gok2+Gok2 or SHG/WHG+SHG/WHG, and central Europeans fit as Yamna+Gok2.

Alanson
01-09-2015, 04:59 AM
When is this test going to be on gedmatch anyone knows?

Krefter
01-09-2015, 05:51 AM
When is this test going to be on gedmatch anyone knows?

Davidski said he might put a worse version on GEDmatch. He said for some reason he can't put the current one on. It costs 20$(American) to get results from the best version.

The Barnacle
01-09-2015, 11:55 AM
Even though it's far from the proto Indo-Iranians, probably It's the closests modern sample in the spreadsheet, If you take the steppe model as reference. Anyway I recall sein's comment on some mislabeling between an Afghan Tajdik and Pasthun samples, fixed it.

Yeah that's correct, although to be honest, the afghan Tajik samples in the study was not representitive, they were to East Eurasian shifted moreso than Tajiks from the yunusbayev study!! Obviously most of the afghan tajikd that were in the sample had a foreign background thrown in there, I know quite few Tajiks who have a Uzbek/hazara grandparent etc but are Persian in culture.we need samples from the heartland of afghan Tajiks I.e. Badakhshan,panjsher, parwan, kapisa, Farah, Herat

SwampThing27
01-09-2015, 08:42 PM
My K8 oracle results (kindly done by a member on another forum):

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Utah_USA @ 2,499041
2 Hungarian @ 2,924576
3 Utah_German @ 2,932427
4 SW_English @ 3,046562
5 SE_English @ 3,101431
6 Moldavian @ 3,524234
7 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3,892691
8 West_Scottish @ 4,08674
9 Orcadian @ 4,200054
10 Croatian @ 5,170708
11 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,763889
12 French @ 6,040822
13 Serbian_Bosnia @ 6,371564
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 6,463132
15 LBA_Hungary @ 6,656487
16 Utah_Scandinavian @ 6,709105
17 Norwegian @ 6,714344
18 Ukrainian_Kharkov @ 6,974759
19 Bosnian @ 7,302065
20 Hinxton4 @ 7,969408
163 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Croatian+West_Scottish @ 1,317171
2 Bosnian+Hinxton4 @ 1,359654
3 Hungarian+Utah_German @ 1,39462
4 Hungarian+West_Scottish @ 1,39987
5 Lithuanian+Macedonian @ 1,422274
6 French+Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1,424103
7 Moldavian+SW_English @ 1,485204
8 Croatian+Orcadian @ 1,487631
9 Hungarian+Orcadian @ 1,494171
13366 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% West_Scottish +25% Romanian +25% Utah_Scandinavian @ 1,140787
2 50% West_Scottish +25% Greek_Thessaly +25% Lithuanian @ 1,143917
3 50% West_Scottish +25% Norwegian +25% Romanian @ 1,144865
4 50% Utah_Scandinavian +25% Greek +25% Lithuanian @ 1,163665
5 50% Norwegian +25% Greek +25% Lithuanian @ 1,167759
6 50% West_Scottish +25% Hinxton4 +25% Romanian @ 1,168125
7 50% Lithuanian +25% Italian_Abruzzo +25% Utah_USA @ 1,171184
8 50% West_Scottish +25% Serbian +25% West_Scottish @ 1,195153
9 50% West_Scottish +25% Montenegrin +25% West_Scottish @ 1,199859

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Hinxton4+Italian_Abruzzo+Lithuanian+Polish @ 1,081029
2 Greek+Lithuanian+Swedish+West_Scottish @ 1,116926
3 French+Georgian_Imer+LBA_Hungary+Motala12 @ 1,134244
4 Greek+Hinxton4+Lithuanian+West_Scottish @ 1,138453
5 Romanian+Utah_Scandinavian+West_Scottish+West_Scot tish @ 1,140787
6 Belorussian+Hinxton4+Italian_Abruzzo+Lithuanian @ 1,141137
7 Greek_Thessaly+Lithuanian+West_Scottish+West_Scott ish @ 1,143917
8 Norwegian+Romanian+West_Scottish+West_Scottish @ 1,144865
9 Polish+Romanian+SW_English+West_Scottish @ 1,147837
10 Hinxton4+Italian_Abruzzo+Lithuanian+Norwegian @ 1,148883

randwulf
01-09-2015, 10:20 PM
Trying to delete duplicate and failing!

randwulf
01-09-2015, 10:21 PM
My K8 Results:

ANE 0.115338
South_Eurasian 0.005175
Near_Eastern 0.435569
East_Eurasian 0.007112
WHG 0.433233
Oceanian 1E-005
Pygmy 0.003553
Sub-Saharan 1E-005



Lower bound NE

ANE 0.113545
South_Eurasian 0.007175
Near_Eastern 0.398916
East_Eurasian 0.008296
WHG 0.46773
Oceanian 1E-005
Pygmy 0.004317
Sub-Saharan 1E-005

This plotted me in the NE section of the French "dots". I am from the USA with a basic 70% South German/30% British mix. Some of that is taken with a smattering of French/Scottish/Irish and some unknowns in the Colonial Virginia and Colonial New England sources, though I don't think these are major contributors.

3351

3352

SwampThing27
01-09-2015, 10:59 PM
http://i58.tinypic.com/2dk02kh.jpg

Dr_McNinja
01-09-2015, 11:39 PM
Is there an Oracle-4 for download and use with R (.RData) anywhere?

Kurd
01-10-2015, 01:30 AM
Science already proved them right. A vast majority of Kurdish DNA is from Kurdistan.

If your hypothesis is correct, then that would imply that many SC and S Asian groups such as Sindhi, Gujrati, Kalash, Hunza, Pathan, Uzbek, Tajik, etc. must have originated from Kurdistan, since they share a substantial amount of mtDNA and Y DNA with the Kurds. Refer to my new thread for additional details.

Sangarius
01-10-2015, 09:10 AM
Is there an Oracle-4 for download and use with R (.RData) anywhere?

I only know of the stand-alone Oracle-4 app that can be found here + instructions on how to use (http://bga101.blogspot.com.au/2014/07/model-yourself-as-mixture-of-ancient.html). K8 Oracle data can be downloaded from here (https://www.dropbox.com/s/th1v8i58a3psmx7/data_EG_K8_ANE_dots.txt?dl=0).

The Barnacle
01-10-2015, 11:50 AM
If your hypothesis is correct, then that would imply that many SC and S Asian groups such as Sindhi, Gujrati, Kalash, Hunza, Pathan, Uzbek, Tajik, etc. must have originated from Kurdistan, since they share a substantial amount of mtDNA and Y DNA with the Kurds. Refer to my new thread for additional details.

Just to add, there was a detailed article on the haplogroups found in afghanistans ethnic groups, as expected Tajiks and Pashtuns had been dominated by western eurasuan lineages( Y DNA-R1a1a, J2 etc mtdna H, HV etc) and hazaras Uzbeks had much higher eastern Eurasian lineages such as y DNA C.

DMXX
01-11-2015, 04:53 PM
My results. Davidski's quite helpfully highlighted the Azeri and Iranian samples here (yellow and orange respectively). I'm smack-dab in the Azeri cluster.

http://i62.tinypic.com/2lncv0i.png

The component results (population average shown). I don't know where these Azeri samples are from, but it is worth noting some of the scores (ANE, East_Eurasian, Sub-Saharan) are precisely between them and the Iranians. The others aren't (more South_Eurasian and WHG f.ex.)



DMXX Azeri Iranian
ANE 19.0% 18.5% 19.6%
South_Eurasian 6.2% 5.0% 6.0%
Near_Eastern 66.5% 67.6% 68.8%
East_Eurasian 1.5% 3.5% 0.3%
WHG 4.6% 4.0% 1.8%
Oceanian 0.5% 0.2% 0.4%
Pygmy 0.2% 0.5% 0.6%
Sub-Saharan 1.6% 0.7% 2.4%

Jessie
01-13-2015, 04:17 AM
Here's mine.

ANE 0.158429
South_Eurasian 0.00305
Near_Eastern 0.384229
East_Eurasian 1E-005
WHG 0.453869
Oceanian 0.000393
Pygmy 1E-005
Sub-Saharan 1E-005



Lower bound NE

ANE 0.156524
South_Eurasian 0.005765
Near_Eastern 0.346246
East_Eurasian 1E-005
WHG 0.489913
Oceanian 0.001522
Pygmy 1E-005
Sub-Saharan 1E-005

I'll post images later

My mother

ANE 0.161975
South_Eurasian 0.007057
Near_Eastern 0.386478
East_Eurasian 1E-005
WHG 0.443603
Oceanian 0.000857
Pygmy 1E-005
Sub-Saharan 1E-005



Lower bound NE

ANE 0.160113
South_Eurasian 0.009684
Near_Eastern 0.349168
East_Eurasian 1E-005
WHG 0.479065
Oceanian 0.001939
Pygmy 1E-005
Sub-Saharan 1E-005

Humanist
01-13-2015, 10:59 AM
West Eurasia K8

ANE 13.72%
SEA 2.83%
Near Eastern 80.25%
East Eurasian 0
WHG 2.29%
Oceanian 0.40%
Pygmy 0.15%
SSA 0.36%

My results, for comparison:

ANE 0.147791
South_Eurasian 0.028362
Near_Eastern 0.796991
East_Eurasian 0.000211
WHG 0.018325
Oceanian 1E-005
Pygmy 0.002404
Sub-Saharan 0.005906

ZephyrousMandaru
01-13-2015, 06:06 PM
My results, for comparison:

ANE 0.147791
South_Eurasian 0.028362
Near_Eastern 0.796991
East_Eurasian 0.000211
WHG 0.018325
Oceanian 1E-005
Pygmy 0.002404
Sub-Saharan 0.005906

Here are your Oracle-4 results.



Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Assyrian @ 1.32109
2 Iranian_Jewish @ 1.489612
3 IQ_Mandaean @ 1.854445
4 Georgian_Jewish @ 2.304834
5 Armenian @ 2.950665
6 Iraqi_Jewish @ 4.150042
7 Georgian_Laz @ 5.194127
8 Druze @ 7.878295
9 Georgian_Imer @ 7.909568
10 Lebanese_Muslim @ 8.290206
11 Syrian @ 8.92553
12 Lebanese_Christian @ 9.444737
13 Kurdish @ 9.651275
14 Syrian_Jewish @ 11.153639
15 Abkhasian @ 11.945697
16 Cyprian @ 12.093084
17 Jordanian @ 12.158072
18 Iranian @ 12.654719
19 Palestinian @ 13.066675
20 Samaritan @ 13.258613
166 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Georgian_Laz+Iraqi_Jewish @ 0.651612
2 Armenian+IQ_Mandaean @ 0.667667
3 Georgian_Jewish+IQ_Mandaean @ 0.982415
4 Assyrian+Iranian_Jewish @ 1.094025
5 Armenian+Iraqi_Jewish @ 1.19212
6 Assyrian+IQ_Mandaean @ 1.207574
7 Armenian+Iranian_Jewish @ 1.314183
8 Assyrian+Assyrian @ 1.32109
9 Georgian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish @ 1.387791
10 Iranian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish @ 1.489612
11 Armenian+Assyrian @ 1.546593
12 Iranian_Jewish+IQ_Mandaean @ 1.549358
13 Assyrian+Georgian_Jewish @ 1.579379
14 IQ_Mandaean+IQ_Mandaean @ 1.854445
15 Georgian_Laz+IQ_Mandaean @ 1.882709
16 Georgian_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish @ 2.100336
17 Georgian_Imer+Iraqi_Jewish @ 2.152184
18 Georgian_Jewish+Georgian_Jewish @ 2.304834
19 Assyrian+Georgian_Laz @ 2.305185
20 Georgian_Imer+Lebanese_Christian @ 2.319314
13861 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% IQ_Mandaean +25% Assyrian +25% Georgian_Laz @ 0.48924
2 50% IQ_Mandaean +25% Armenian +25% Assyrian @ 0.49349
3 50% Iraqi_Jewish +25% Georgian_Imer +25% Georgian_Jewish @ 0.55242
4 50% Iraqi_Jewish +25% Armenian +25% Georgian_Laz @ 0.619675
5 50% Iraqi_Jewish +25% Armenian +25% Georgian_Imer @ 0.62989
6 50% Assyrian +25% Georgian_Imer +25% Iraqi_Jewish @ 0.642404
7 50% Georgian_Laz +25% Iraqi_Jewish +25% Iraqi_Jewish @ 0.651612
8 50% Armenian +25% Iraqi_Jewish +25% IQ_Mandaean @ 0.655111
9 50% IQ_Mandaean +25% Armenian +25% Georgian_Jewish @ 0.667499
10 50% Armenian +25% IQ_Mandaean +25% IQ_Mandaean @ 0.667667
11 50% Assyrian +25% Georgian_Laz +25% IQ_Mandaean @ 0.685541
12 50% Assyrian +25% Georgian_Laz +25% Iraqi_Jewish @ 0.698711
13 50% IQ_Mandaean +25% Armenian +25% Iranian_Jewish @ 0.69946
14 50% IQ_Mandaean +25% Georgian_Laz +25% Iraqi_Jewish @ 0.714203
15 50% Iraqi_Jewish +25% Assyrian +25% Georgian_Imer @ 0.718789
16 50% Assyrian +25% Armenian +25% IQ_Mandaean @ 0.719975
17 50% IQ_Mandaean +25% Armenian +25% IQ_Mandaean @ 0.731877
18 50% IQ_Mandaean +25% Georgian_Laz +25% IQ_Mandaean @ 0.758742
19 50% Iranian_Jewish +25% Georgian_Laz +25% Iraqi_Jewish @ 0.770793
20 50% Iranian_Jewish +25% Armenian +25% IQ_Mandaean @ 0.810596
453561 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Assyrian+Georgian_Laz+Iraqi_Jewish+IQ_Mandaean @ 0.464402
2 Assyrian+Georgian_Laz+IQ_Mandaean+IQ_Mandaean @ 0.48924
3 Armenian+Assyrian+IQ_Mandaean+IQ_Mandaean @ 0.49349
4 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+Iraqi_J ewish @ 0.55242
5 Assyrian+Georgian_Laz+Iranian_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish @ 0.587242
6 Georgian_Jewish+Georgian_Laz+Iraqi_Jewish+IQ_Manda ean @ 0.6151
7 Armenian+Georgian_Laz+Iraqi_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish @ 0.619675
8 Armenian+Assyrian+Iranian_Jewish+IQ_Mandaean @ 0.625627
9 Armenian+Georgian_Imer+Iraqi_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish @ 0.62989
10 Assyrian+Assyrian+Georgian_Imer+Iraqi_Jewish @ 0.642404
11 Armenian+Georgian_Laz+Iraqi_Jewish+IQ_Mandaean @ 0.644871
12 Georgian_Laz+Georgian_Laz+Iraqi_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewis h @ 0.651612
13 Armenian+Armenian+Iraqi_Jewish+IQ_Mandaean @ 0.655111
14 Georgian_Laz+Iranian_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+IQ_Mandae an @ 0.667077
15 Armenian+Georgian_Jewish+IQ_Mandaean+IQ_Mandaean @ 0.667499
16 Armenian+Armenian+IQ_Mandaean+IQ_Mandaean @ 0.667667
17 Assyrian+Assyrian+Georgian_Laz+IQ_Mandaean @ 0.685541
18 Assyrian+Assyrian+Georgian_Laz+Iraqi_Jewish @ 0.698711
19 Armenian+Iranian_Jewish+IQ_Mandaean+IQ_Mandaean @ 0.69946
20 Georgian_Laz+Iraqi_Jewish+IQ_Mandaean+IQ_Mandaean @ 0.714203
21 Assyrian+Georgian_Imer+Iraqi_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish @ 0.718789
22 Armenian+Assyrian+Assyrian+IQ_Mandaean @ 0.719975
23 Armenian+IQ_Mandaean+IQ_Mandaean+IQ_Mandaean @ 0.731877
24 Assyrian+Georgian_Laz+Iranian_Jewish+IQ_Mandaean @ 0.757771
25 Georgian_Laz+IQ_Mandaean+IQ_Mandaean+IQ_Mandaean @ 0.758742
26 Georgian_Laz+Iranian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish+Iraqi_J ewish @ 0.770793
27 Assyrian+Georgian_Imer+Iraqi_Jewish+IQ_Mandaean @ 0.792905
28 Armenian+Iranian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish+IQ_Mandaean @ 0.810596
29 Abkhasian+Iraqi_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish @ 0.822249
30 Georgian_Laz+Iranian_Jewish+IQ_Mandaean+IQ_Mandaea n @ 0.846329
31 Armenian+Assyrian+Iranian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish @ 0.868049
32 Armenian+Armenian+Iranian_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish @ 0.870076
33 Assyrian+Georgian_Imer+Iranian_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish @ 0.882288
34 Georgian_Jewish+Georgian_Laz+IQ_Mandaean+IQ_Mandae an @ 0.895027
35 Georgian_Jewish+Georgian_Laz+Iranian_Jewish+Iraqi_ Jewish @ 0.901706
36 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+IQ_Mand aean @ 0.903464
37 Armenian+Assyrian+Assyrian+Iranian_Jewish @ 0.927641
38 Armenian+Georgian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish+IQ_Mandaea n @ 0.948142
39 Assyrian+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewis h @ 0.954356
40 Armenian+Georgian_Laz+Iranian_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish @ 0.96473
365636 iterations.


Gaussian method.
Noise dispersion set to 0.676116

Using 1 population approximation:
1 IQ_Mandaean @ 2.372621
2 Assyrian @ 2.725055
3 Georgian_Laz @ 2.97571
4 Armenian @ 3.04188
5 Iranian_Jewish @ 3.261627
6 Iraqi_Jewish @ 3.341414
7 Georgian_Jewish @ 3.422555
8 Georgian_Imer @ 3.449396
9 Abkhasian @ 4.911095
10 Kurdish @ 5.038666
11 Druze @ 6.146124
12 Syrian_Jewish @ 6.457464
13 Iranian @ 6.502143
14 Lebanese_Muslim @ 6.512375
15 Syrian @ 6.756911
16 Lebanese_Christian @ 6.772321
17 Azeri @ 7.09704
18 Cyprian @ 7.171996
19 Turkish @ 7.681696
20 Ossetian @ 7.910983
166 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Georgian_Laz+IQ_Mandaean @ 1.882525
2 Armenian+IQ_Mandaean @ 2.212632
3 Assyrian+IQ_Mandaean @ 2.322367
4 Georgian_Imer+IQ_Mandaean @ 2.330909
5 Georgian_Laz+Iraqi_Jewish @ 2.359768
6 IQ_Mandaean+IQ_Mandaean @ 2.372621
7 Georgian_Imer+Iraqi_Jewish @ 2.504209
8 Assyrian+Georgian_Laz @ 2.627759
9 Assyrian+Georgian_Imer @ 2.643693
10 Georgian_Jewish+IQ_Mandaean @ 2.646357
11 Armenian+Iraqi_Jewish @ 2.696727
12 Assyrian+Assyrian @ 2.725055
13 Georgian_Laz+Iranian_Jewish @ 2.809071
14 Armenian+Assyrian @ 2.814326
15 Iranian_Jewish+IQ_Mandaean @ 2.83931
16 Assyrian+Iraqi_Jewish @ 2.839669
17 Iraqi_Jewish+IQ_Mandaean @ 2.875779
18 Assyrian+Iranian_Jewish @ 2.944524
19 Armenian+Iranian_Jewish @ 2.955683
20 Georgian_Laz+Georgian_Laz @ 2.97571
13861 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% IQ_Mandaean +25% Georgian_Laz +25% IQ_Mandaean @ 1.695581
2 50% Georgian_Laz +25% IQ_Mandaean +25% IQ_Mandaean @ 1.882525
3 50% IQ_Mandaean +25% Armenian +25% IQ_Mandaean @ 1.960174
4 50% IQ_Mandaean +25% Georgian_Imer +25% Georgian_Laz @ 2.001959
5 50% IQ_Mandaean +25% Assyrian +25% Georgian_Laz @ 2.032101
6 50% IQ_Mandaean +25% Armenian +25% Georgian_Laz @ 2.044862
7 50% IQ_Mandaean +25% Georgian_Laz +25% Iraqi_Jewish @ 2.074044
8 50% IQ_Mandaean +25% Armenian +25% Georgian_Imer @ 2.083784
9 50% IQ_Mandaean +25% Assyrian +25% Georgian_Imer @ 2.119446
10 50% IQ_Mandaean +25% Georgian_Imer +25% IQ_Mandaean @ 2.123324
11 50% Georgian_Laz +25% Iraqi_Jewish +25% IQ_Mandaean @ 2.145456
12 50% IQ_Mandaean +25% Assyrian +25% IQ_Mandaean @ 2.206906
13 50% Armenian +25% IQ_Mandaean +25% IQ_Mandaean @ 2.212632
14 50% IQ_Mandaean +25% Abkhasian +25% IQ_Mandaean @ 2.236939
15 50% IQ_Mandaean +25% Armenian +25% Assyrian @ 2.237941
16 50% IQ_Mandaean +25% Georgian_Laz +25% Iranian_Jewish @ 2.252502
17 50% IQ_Mandaean +25% Georgian_Jewish +25% IQ_Mandaean @ 2.27213
18 50% IQ_Mandaean +25% Georgian_Jewish +25% Georgian_Laz @ 2.273675
19 50% Georgian_Laz +25% Assyrian +25% IQ_Mandaean @ 2.289294
20 50% IQ_Mandaean +25% Georgian_Imer +25% Georgian_Jewish @ 2.290189
1651859 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Georgian_Laz+IQ_Mandaean+IQ_Mandaean+IQ_Mandaean @ 1.695581
2 Georgian_Laz+Georgian_Laz+IQ_Mandaean+IQ_Mandaean @ 1.882525
3 Armenian+IQ_Mandaean+IQ_Mandaean+IQ_Mandaean @ 1.960174
4 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Laz+IQ_Mandaean+IQ_Mandaean @ 2.001959
5 Assyrian+Georgian_Laz+IQ_Mandaean+IQ_Mandaean @ 2.032101
6 Armenian+Georgian_Laz+IQ_Mandaean+IQ_Mandaean @ 2.044862
7 Georgian_Laz+Iraqi_Jewish+IQ_Mandaean+IQ_Mandaean @ 2.074044
8 Armenian+Georgian_Imer+IQ_Mandaean+IQ_Mandaean @ 2.083784
9 Assyrian+Georgian_Imer+IQ_Mandaean+IQ_Mandaean @ 2.119446
10 Georgian_Imer+IQ_Mandaean+IQ_Mandaean+IQ_Mandaean @ 2.123324
11 Georgian_Laz+Georgian_Laz+Iraqi_Jewish+IQ_Mandaean @ 2.145456
12 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Laz+Iraqi_Jewish+IQ_Mandaea n @ 2.185417
13 Assyrian+IQ_Mandaean+IQ_Mandaean+IQ_Mandaean @ 2.206906
14 Armenian+Armenian+IQ_Mandaean+IQ_Mandaean @ 2.212632
15 Abkhasian+IQ_Mandaean+IQ_Mandaean+IQ_Mandaean @ 2.236939
16 Armenian+Assyrian+IQ_Mandaean+IQ_Mandaean @ 2.237941
17 Georgian_Laz+Iranian_Jewish+IQ_Mandaean+IQ_Mandaea n @ 2.252502
18 Georgian_Jewish+IQ_Mandaean+IQ_Mandaean+IQ_Mandaea n @ 2.27213
19 Georgian_Jewish+Georgian_Laz+IQ_Mandaean+IQ_Mandae an @ 2.273675
20 Armenian+Georgian_Imer+Iraqi_Jewish+IQ_Mandaean @ 2.280385
21 Assyrian+Georgian_Laz+Georgian_Laz+IQ_Mandaean @ 2.289294
22 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Jewish+IQ_Mandaean+IQ_Manda ean @ 2.290189
23 Assyrian+Assyrian+Georgian_Imer+IQ_Mandaean @ 2.300022
24 Assyrian+Georgian_Laz+Iraqi_Jewish+IQ_Mandaean @ 2.300341
25 Armenian+Iraqi_Jewish+IQ_Mandaean+IQ_Mandaean @ 2.302397
26 Armenian+Georgian_Laz+Iraqi_Jewish+IQ_Mandaean @ 2.303107
27 Assyrian+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Laz+IQ_Mandaean @ 2.303423
28 Assyrian+Georgian_Imer+Iraqi_Jewish+IQ_Mandaean @ 2.312554
29 Assyrian+Assyrian+IQ_Mandaean+IQ_Mandaean @ 2.322367
30 Georgian_Imer+Iraqi_Jewish+IQ_Mandaean+IQ_Mandaean @ 2.32357
31 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+IQ_Mandaean+IQ_Mandaea n @ 2.330909
32 Assyrian+Assyrian+Georgian_Laz+IQ_Mandaean @ 2.335093
33 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Laz+Iraqi_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewi sh @ 2.34294
34 Georgian_Laz+Georgian_Laz+Iraqi_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewis h @ 2.359768
35 Georgian_Laz+Georgian_Laz+Georgian_Laz+IQ_Mandaean @ 2.360542
36 Georgian_Laz+Iraqi_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+IQ_Mandaean @ 2.363246
37 Armenian+Assyrian+Georgian_Imer+IQ_Mandaean @ 2.367779
38 IQ_Mandaean+IQ_Mandaean+IQ_Mandaean+IQ_Mandaean @ 2.372621
39 Armenian+Assyrian+Georgian_Laz+IQ_Mandaean @ 2.402554
40 Armenian+Iranian_Jewish+IQ_Mandaean+IQ_Mandaean @ 2.412462
12650300 iterations.

Anglecynn
01-13-2015, 06:40 PM
Here's some results for other family members, my mother is somewhat east of the northern French and south of the British. Not sure which side the extra Neolithic influence comes from (or where), unfortunately. Something for the paper genaeology.
My Grandmother's ANE is very low, but WHG on the high side which is interesting, she's like a more northern version of the Bronze Age Hungarians in this i guess.

Paternal Grandfather:
ANE 0.145889
South_Eurasian 0.004865
Near_Eastern 0.390081
East_Eurasian 1E-005
WHG 0.459125
Oceanian 1E-005
Pygmy 1E-005
Sub-Saharan 1E-005

WHG: 45.91%
Near Eastern: 39.01%
ANE: 14.59%
South Eurasian: 0.49%
PCA:

http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu7/Brodir93/GF1.png
http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu7/Brodir93/GF2.png


Paternal Grandmother:
ANE 0.127395
South_Eurasian 0.015
Near_Eastern 0.392696
East_Eurasian 1E-005
WHG 0.46487
Oceanian 1E-005
Pygmy 1E-005
Sub-Saharan 1E-005

WHG: 46.49%
Near Eastern: 39.27%
ANE: 12.74%
South Eurasian: 1.5%
PCA:

http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu7/Brodir93/GM1.png
http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu7/Brodir93/GM2.png


Mother:
ANE 0.146131
South_Eurasian 0.003298
Near_Eastern 0.421304
East_Eurasian 1E-005
WHG 0.420671
Oceanian 0.003708
Pygmy 1E-005
Sub-Saharan 0.004868

Near Eastern: 42.13%
WHG: 42.06%
ANE: 14.61%
Sub-Saharan: 0.49%
Oceanian: 0.37%
South Eurasian: 0.33%
PCA:

http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu7/Brodir93/M1.png
http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu7/Brodir93/M2.png

Kurd
01-13-2015, 08:48 PM
Here are mine:

Sein
01-13-2015, 09:13 PM
Hi everyone,

It's been quite awhile since I've posted anything (real life caught up with me). These are my results for West Eurasia K8:

Near_Eastern=46.142%
ANE=32.3922%
South_Eurasian=13.7069%
Oceanian=2.8283%
East_Eurasian=2.4362%
Sub-Saharan=1.3887%
WHG=0.6869%
Pygmy=0.4188%

3375
(I'm the red dot that's deviating from the northern Caucasians in the direction of ANE)

Looking at the PCA, it seems I'm fairly close to being a simple mix of ENF and ANE. To an extent, my ancestral mix approximates that of Gökhem2, but with all that WHG being replaced by ANE (WHG and ANE are very closely related Eurasian clades).

I tried Srkz's 4A Oracle datasheet with my results, but with a few modifications. I added a "South_Indian" population average (based on those three samples in the West_Eurasia_K8 spreadsheet), and I recalculated the Afghan Pashtun average by excluding Pashtun2_6Af and including Tadjik1_44Af (although I failed to do anything with the Afghan Tadjik average, even though it should have been recalculated without Tadjik1_44Af). I think the results make sense:

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Pathan @ 3.218482
2 Afghan_Pashtun @ 3.634856
3 Burusho @ 10.489049
4 Tadjik @ 13.374154
5 Afghan_Tadjik @ 15.765776
6 Afghan_Uzbeki @ 15.946429
7 Tabassaran @ 17.542641
8 Lezgin @ 18.601053
9 Chechen @ 20.013757
10 Kumyk @ 20.019555
11 Balkar @ 20.32801
12 North_Ossetian @ 20.356819
13 Kabardin @ 21.032459
14 Adygei @ 21.741314
15 Ossetian @ 21.866239
16 Turkmen @ 22.930974
17 South_Indian @ 23.702367
18 Iranian @ 27.316449
19 Azeri @ 27.317924
20 Abkhasian @ 28.507583

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Afghan_Pashtun+Pathan @ 2.294134
2 Pathan+Pathan @ 3.218482
3 Afghan_Pashtun+Afghan_Pashtun @ 3.634856
4 Afghan_Pashtun+Burusho @ 4.666368
5 Burusho+Lezgin @ 5.797709
6 Burusho+Tabassaran @ 5.988211
7 Burusho+Pathan @ 5.995527
8 Pathan+Tadjik @ 6.135522
9 Burusho+Chechen @ 6.390535
10 Burusho+North_Ossetian @ 6.703605

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Pathan +25% Pathan @ 2.294134
2 50% Pathan +25% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Pathan @ 2.486011
3 50% Burusho +25% Abkhasian +25% Pathan @ 2.608305
4 50% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Burusho +25% Pathan @ 2.730981
5 50% Burusho +25% Ossetian +25% Pathan @ 2.737086
6 50% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Burusho @ 2.744684
7 50% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Pathan @ 2.758084
8 50% Pathan +25% Burusho +25% North_Ossetian @ 2.8613
9 50% Burusho +25% Iranian +25% Pathan @ 2.866579
10 50% Pathan +25% Burusho +25% Lezgin @ 2.875578
11 50% Burusho +25% Adygei +25% Pathan @ 2.915361
12 50% Pathan +25% Balkar +25% Burusho @ 2.9672
13 50% Pathan +25% Burusho +25% Ossetian @ 2.973684
14 50% Burusho +25% Abkhasian +25% Burusho @ 2.993813
15 50% Pathan +25% Afghan_Uzbeki +25% Pathan @ 3.048549
16 50% Pathan +25% Burusho +25% Chechen @ 3.072465
17 50% Burusho +25% Chechen +25% Pathan @ 3.093257
18 50% Burusho +25% North_Ossetian +25% Pathan @ 3.100549
19 50% Pathan +25% Adygei +25% Burusho @ 3.107142
20 50% Pathan +25% Burusho +25% Kumyk @ 3.107379
21 50% Burusho +25% Lezgin +25% Pathan @ 3.111684
22 50% Pathan +25% Pathan +25% Tadjik @ 3.124014
23 50% Burusho +25% Burusho +25% Georgian_Imer @ 3.144711
24 50% Burusho +25% Kurdish +25% Pathan @ 3.16361
25 50% Pathan +25% Burusho +25% Tabassaran @ 3.181469
26 50% Burusho +25% Balkar +25% Pathan @ 3.238919
27 50% Pathan +25% Afghan_Tadjik +25% Pathan @ 3.253378
28 50% Pathan +25% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Burusho @ 3.262576
29 50% Burusho +25% Burusho +25% Kurdish @ 3.30627
30 50% Pathan +25% Burusho +25% Kabardin @ 3.337082
31 50% Burusho +25% Azeri +25% Pathan @ 3.360813
32 50% Burusho +25% Georgian_Imer +25% Pathan @ 3.435359
33 50% Burusho +25% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Lezgin @ 3.513803
34 50% Burusho +25% Kumyk +25% Pathan @ 3.520243
35 50% Burusho +25% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Ossetian @ 3.543671
36 50% Burusho +25% Burusho +25% Iranian @ 3.549926
37 50% Burusho +25% Burusho +25% Georgian_Laz @ 3.624944
38 50% Burusho +25% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Chechen @ 3.628813
39 50% Pathan +25% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Tadjik @ 3.629299
40 50% Burusho +25% Kabardin +25% Pathan @ 3.671071

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Afghan_Pashtun+Afghan_Pashtun+Pathan+Pathan @ 2.294134
2 Afghan_Pashtun+Pathan+Pathan+Pathan @ 2.486011
3 Abkhasian+Burusho+Burusho+Pathan @ 2.608305
4 Afghan_Pashtun+Afghan_Pashtun+Burusho+Pathan @ 2.730981
5 Burusho+Burusho+Ossetian+Pathan @ 2.737086
6 Afghan_Pashtun+Afghan_Pashtun+Afghan_Pashtun+Burus ho @ 2.744684
7 Afghan_Pashtun+Afghan_Pashtun+Afghan_Pashtun+Patha n @ 2.758084
8 Burusho+North_Ossetian+Pathan+Pathan @ 2.8613
9 Burusho+Burusho+Iranian+Pathan @ 2.866579
10 Burusho+Lezgin+Pathan+Pathan @ 2.875578
11 Adygei+Burusho+Burusho+Pathan @ 2.915361
12 Balkar+Burusho+Pathan+Pathan @ 2.9672
13 Burusho+Ossetian+Pathan+Pathan @ 2.973684
14 Abkhasian+Burusho+Burusho+Burusho @ 2.993813
15 Afghan_Uzbeki+Pathan+Pathan+Pathan @ 3.048549
16 Burusho+Chechen+Pathan+Pathan @ 3.072465
17 Burusho+Burusho+Chechen+Pathan @ 3.093257
18 Burusho+Burusho+North_Ossetian+Pathan @ 3.100549
19 Adygei+Burusho+Pathan+Pathan @ 3.107142
20 Burusho+Kumyk+Pathan+Pathan @ 3.107379
21 Burusho+Burusho+Lezgin+Pathan @ 3.111684
22 Pathan+Pathan+Pathan+Tadjik @ 3.124014
23 Burusho+Burusho+Burusho+Georgian_Imer @ 3.144711
24 Burusho+Burusho+Kurdish+Pathan @ 3.16361
25 Burusho+Pathan+Pathan+Tabassaran @ 3.181469
26 Pathan+Pathan+Pathan+Pathan @ 3.218482
27 Balkar+Burusho+Burusho+Pathan @ 3.238919
28 Afghan_Tadjik+Pathan+Pathan+Pathan @ 3.253378
29 Afghan_Pashtun+Burusho+Pathan+Pathan @ 3.262576
30 Burusho+Burusho+Burusho+Kurdish @ 3.30627
31 Burusho+Kabardin+Pathan+Pathan @ 3.337082
32 Azeri+Burusho+Burusho+Pathan @ 3.360813
33 Burusho+Burusho+Georgian_Imer+Pathan @ 3.435359
34 Afghan_Pashtun+Burusho+Burusho+Lezgin @ 3.513803
35 Burusho+Burusho+Kumyk+Pathan @ 3.520243
36 Afghan_Pashtun+Burusho+Burusho+Ossetian @ 3.543671
37 Burusho+Burusho+Burusho+Iranian @ 3.549926
38 Burusho+Burusho+Burusho+Georgian_Laz @ 3.624944
39 Afghan_Pashtun+Burusho+Burusho+Chechen @ 3.628813
40 Afghan_Pashtun+Pathan+Pathan+Tadjik @ 3.629299


Gaussian method.
Noise dispersion set to 0.676116
(this method is somewhat experimental)

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Burusho +25% Georgian_Imer +25% Pathan @ 3.249882
2 50% Pathan +25% Burusho +25% Georgian_Imer @ 3.42622
3 50% Burusho +25% Abkhasian +25% Pathan @ 3.606861
4 50% Pathan +25% Abkhasian +25% Burusho @ 3.638434
5 50% Burusho +25% Burusho +25% Georgian_Imer @ 3.696431
6 50% Pathan +25% Burusho +25% Pathan @ 3.815297
7 50% Burusho +25% Georgian_Laz +25% Pathan @ 3.91058
8 50% Burusho +25% Iranian_Jewish +25% Pathan @ 3.939016
9 50% Burusho +25% Kurdish +25% Pathan @ 3.986665
10 50% Burusho +25% Iraqi_Jewish +25% Pathan @ 3.992426

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Burusho+Burusho+Georgian_Imer+Pathan @ 3.249882
2 Burusho+Georgian_Imer+Pathan+Pathan @ 3.42622
3 Abkhasian+Burusho+Burusho+Pathan @ 3.606861
4 Abkhasian+Burusho+Pathan+Pathan @ 3.638434
5 Burusho+Burusho+Burusho+Georgian_Imer @ 3.696431
6 Burusho+Pathan+Pathan+Pathan @ 3.815297
7 Burusho+Burusho+Georgian_Laz+Pathan @ 3.91058
8 Burusho+Burusho+Iranian_Jewish+Pathan @ 3.939016
9 Burusho+Burusho+Kurdish+Pathan @ 3.986665
10 Burusho+Burusho+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 3.992426

As I expected, I'm rather close to both the FATA Pashtuns and the western Afghan Pashtuns, and I also seem to be approximately equidistant to both sampled groups. After Pashtuns, I'm most similar to other Central Asians. After Central Asians, the most similar populations to myself are all from the northern Caucasus (followed by peninsular South Asians and West Asians proper).

On a genealogical level, my top result for the least-squares method is very accurate, 50% FATA Pashtun+50% western Afghan Pashtun (eastern Afghan Pashtuns are identical to FATA Pashtuns, which is why I add "western" for these Ghilzai samples). But in terms of population genetic affinities, I guess 50% Burusho+25% Pashtun+25% Georgian is also accurate.

Edit: David's "Fateful Triangle" plot resembles this old PCA from Dienekes:

3379

The general structure is identical. Another demonstration that what was once called "ANI" ("Ancestral North Indian") is basically equivalent to "ANE" ("Ancestral North Eurasian". Regardless, ASI estimates for South Asians have always partially absorbed ANE). While Dienekes' "ANI" is clustering in a identical manner to South Central Asians/ANE on David's plot, "W_Asian" is clustering just like north Caucasians do on David's plot, "SW_Asian" is clustering just like Bedouins/ENF on David's plot, "S_European" is clustering like the southwestern Europeans on David's plot, and "N_European" is clustering like the northeastern Europeans on David's plot.

Kurd
01-13-2015, 10:31 PM
Ok, here is another try:

http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah42/dil88888/K8plot_zps35e10f08.jpg (http://s1377.photobucket.com/user/dil88888/media/K8plot_zps35e10f08.jpg.html)http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah42/dil88888/K8plot1_zps0cdbbced.jpg (http://s1377.photobucket.com/user/dil88888/media/K8plot1_zps0cdbbced.jpg.html)






ME





IRANIAN




ANE




20.6 %





13.5 – 22.3




South Eurasian




8.3 %





2.2 – 7.6




Near Eastern




66.8 %





65.3 – 74.3




Oceanian




0.4 %





0 – 0.7




Pygmy




0.8 %





0 - 1




Sub Saharan




1.2%





0.6 – 9.3




My results seem to be a good fit for Iranian Edit: Replaced WHG with Near Eastern in table, and added WHG= 2%, Iranian range: 0 - 4.8%

CelticGerman
01-13-2015, 10:53 PM
My K8 Results:

ANE 0.115338
South_Eurasian 0.005175
Near_Eastern 0.435569
East_Eurasian 0.007112
WHG 0.433233
Oceanian 1E-005
Pygmy 0.003553
Sub-Saharan 1E-005



Lower bound NE

ANE 0.113545
South_Eurasian 0.007175
Near_Eastern 0.398916
East_Eurasian 0.008296
WHG 0.46773
Oceanian 1E-005
Pygmy 0.004317
Sub-Saharan 1E-005

This plotted me in the NE section of the French "dots". I am from the USA with a basic 70% South German/30% British mix. Some of that is taken with a smattering of French/Scottish/Irish and some unknowns in the Colonial Virginia and Colonial New England sources, though I don't think these are major contributors.

3351

3352

Which kind of South German ancestors? It looks like Palatinate to me.

jesus
01-13-2015, 11:34 PM
Here are mine:

You seem to cluster very close to me but I'm slightly more eastern shifted than you.

http://oi60.tinypic.com/35m13c7.jpg

Kurd
01-14-2015, 12:05 AM
You seem to cluster very close to me but I'm slightly more eastern shifted than you.

http://oi60.tinypic.com/35m13c7.jpg

That is damn close!

The only thing I still have to figure out is why my South Eurasian is slightly higher than yours, since you usually score a little higher S. Asian. It may be that South Eurasian also contains an East Eurasian component, and that would explain it.

Edit: Any ideas?

2nd Edit: Unlikely E Eurasian, since my E Eurasian was almost 0

ZephyrousMandaru
01-14-2015, 12:46 AM
I updated the dendrogram, Humanist is now part of the Assyrian average.

http://oi58.tinypic.com/3452a7o.jpg

vettor
01-14-2015, 12:58 AM
My K8 Results:

ANE 0.115338
South_Eurasian 0.005175
Near_Eastern 0.435569
East_Eurasian 0.007112
WHG 0.433233
Oceanian 1E-005
Pygmy 0.003553
Sub-Saharan 1E-005



Lower bound NE

ANE 0.113545
South_Eurasian 0.007175
Near_Eastern 0.398916
East_Eurasian 0.008296
WHG 0.46773
Oceanian 1E-005
Pygmy 0.004317
Sub-Saharan 1E-005

This plotted me in the NE section of the French "dots". I am from the USA with a basic 70% South German/30% British mix. Some of that is taken with a smattering of French/Scottish/Irish and some unknowns in the Colonial Virginia and Colonial New England sources, though I don't think these are major contributors.

3351

3352

who told you that you are 70% South-German ?

south-germans are only Bavarians and Swabians

If they stated palantine , then these are franconian not far from france

The Barnacle
01-14-2015, 01:01 AM
Hi everyone,

It's been quite awhile since I've posted anything (real life caught up with me). These are my results for West Eurasia K8:

Near_Eastern=46.142%
ANE=32.3922%
South_Eurasian=13.7069%
Oceanian=2.8283%
East_Eurasian=2.4362%
Sub-Saharan=1.3887%
WHG=0.6869%
Pygmy=0.4188%

3375
(I'm the red dot that's deviating from the northern Caucasians in the direction of ANE)

Looking at the PCA, it seems I'm fairly close to being a simple mix of ENF and ANE. To an extent, my ancestral mix approximates that of Gökhem2, but with all that WHG being replaced by ANE (WHG and ANE are very closely related Eurasian clades).

I tried Srkz's 4A Oracle datasheet with my results, but with a few modifications. I added a "South_Indian" population average (based on those three samples in the West_Eurasia_K8 spreadsheet), and I recalculated the Afghan Pashtun average by excluding Pashtun2_6Af and including Tadjik1_44Af (although I failed to do anything with the Afghan Tadjik average, even though it should have been recalculated without Tadjik1_44Af). I think the results make sense:

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Pathan @ 3.218482
2 Afghan_Pashtun @ 3.634856
3 Burusho @ 10.489049
4 Tadjik @ 13.374154
5 Afghan_Tadjik @ 15.765776
6 Afghan_Uzbeki @ 15.946429
7 Tabassaran @ 17.542641
8 Lezgin @ 18.601053
9 Chechen @ 20.013757
10 Kumyk @ 20.019555
11 Balkar @ 20.32801
12 North_Ossetian @ 20.356819
13 Kabardin @ 21.032459
14 Adygei @ 21.741314
15 Ossetian @ 21.866239
16 Turkmen @ 22.930974
17 South_Indian @ 23.702367
18 Iranian @ 27.316449
19 Azeri @ 27.317924
20 Abkhasian @ 28.507583

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Afghan_Pashtun+Pathan @ 2.294134
2 Pathan+Pathan @ 3.218482
3 Afghan_Pashtun+Afghan_Pashtun @ 3.634856
4 Afghan_Pashtun+Burusho @ 4.666368
5 Burusho+Lezgin @ 5.797709
6 Burusho+Tabassaran @ 5.988211
7 Burusho+Pathan @ 5.995527
8 Pathan+Tadjik @ 6.135522
9 Burusho+Chechen @ 6.390535
10 Burusho+North_Ossetian @ 6.703605

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Pathan +25% Pathan @ 2.294134
2 50% Pathan +25% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Pathan @ 2.486011
3 50% Burusho +25% Abkhasian +25% Pathan @ 2.608305
4 50% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Burusho +25% Pathan @ 2.730981
5 50% Burusho +25% Ossetian +25% Pathan @ 2.737086
6 50% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Burusho @ 2.744684
7 50% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Pathan @ 2.758084
8 50% Pathan +25% Burusho +25% North_Ossetian @ 2.8613
9 50% Burusho +25% Iranian +25% Pathan @ 2.866579
10 50% Pathan +25% Burusho +25% Lezgin @ 2.875578
11 50% Burusho +25% Adygei +25% Pathan @ 2.915361
12 50% Pathan +25% Balkar +25% Burusho @ 2.9672
13 50% Pathan +25% Burusho +25% Ossetian @ 2.973684
14 50% Burusho +25% Abkhasian +25% Burusho @ 2.993813
15 50% Pathan +25% Afghan_Uzbeki +25% Pathan @ 3.048549
16 50% Pathan +25% Burusho +25% Chechen @ 3.072465
17 50% Burusho +25% Chechen +25% Pathan @ 3.093257
18 50% Burusho +25% North_Ossetian +25% Pathan @ 3.100549
19 50% Pathan +25% Adygei +25% Burusho @ 3.107142
20 50% Pathan +25% Burusho +25% Kumyk @ 3.107379
21 50% Burusho +25% Lezgin +25% Pathan @ 3.111684
22 50% Pathan +25% Pathan +25% Tadjik @ 3.124014
23 50% Burusho +25% Burusho +25% Georgian_Imer @ 3.144711
24 50% Burusho +25% Kurdish +25% Pathan @ 3.16361
25 50% Pathan +25% Burusho +25% Tabassaran @ 3.181469
26 50% Burusho +25% Balkar +25% Pathan @ 3.238919
27 50% Pathan +25% Afghan_Tadjik +25% Pathan @ 3.253378
28 50% Pathan +25% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Burusho @ 3.262576
29 50% Burusho +25% Burusho +25% Kurdish @ 3.30627
30 50% Pathan +25% Burusho +25% Kabardin @ 3.337082
31 50% Burusho +25% Azeri +25% Pathan @ 3.360813
32 50% Burusho +25% Georgian_Imer +25% Pathan @ 3.435359
33 50% Burusho +25% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Lezgin @ 3.513803
34 50% Burusho +25% Kumyk +25% Pathan @ 3.520243
35 50% Burusho +25% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Ossetian @ 3.543671
36 50% Burusho +25% Burusho +25% Iranian @ 3.549926
37 50% Burusho +25% Burusho +25% Georgian_Laz @ 3.624944
38 50% Burusho +25% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Chechen @ 3.628813
39 50% Pathan +25% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Tadjik @ 3.629299
40 50% Burusho +25% Kabardin +25% Pathan @ 3.671071

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Afghan_Pashtun+Afghan_Pashtun+Pathan+Pathan @ 2.294134
2 Afghan_Pashtun+Pathan+Pathan+Pathan @ 2.486011
3 Abkhasian+Burusho+Burusho+Pathan @ 2.608305
4 Afghan_Pashtun+Afghan_Pashtun+Burusho+Pathan @ 2.730981
5 Burusho+Burusho+Ossetian+Pathan @ 2.737086
6 Afghan_Pashtun+Afghan_Pashtun+Afghan_Pashtun+Burus ho @ 2.744684
7 Afghan_Pashtun+Afghan_Pashtun+Afghan_Pashtun+Patha n @ 2.758084
8 Burusho+North_Ossetian+Pathan+Pathan @ 2.8613
9 Burusho+Burusho+Iranian+Pathan @ 2.866579
10 Burusho+Lezgin+Pathan+Pathan @ 2.875578
11 Adygei+Burusho+Burusho+Pathan @ 2.915361
12 Balkar+Burusho+Pathan+Pathan @ 2.9672
13 Burusho+Ossetian+Pathan+Pathan @ 2.973684
14 Abkhasian+Burusho+Burusho+Burusho @ 2.993813
15 Afghan_Uzbeki+Pathan+Pathan+Pathan @ 3.048549
16 Burusho+Chechen+Pathan+Pathan @ 3.072465
17 Burusho+Burusho+Chechen+Pathan @ 3.093257
18 Burusho+Burusho+North_Ossetian+Pathan @ 3.100549
19 Adygei+Burusho+Pathan+Pathan @ 3.107142
20 Burusho+Kumyk+Pathan+Pathan @ 3.107379
21 Burusho+Burusho+Lezgin+Pathan @ 3.111684
22 Pathan+Pathan+Pathan+Tadjik @ 3.124014
23 Burusho+Burusho+Burusho+Georgian_Imer @ 3.144711
24 Burusho+Burusho+Kurdish+Pathan @ 3.16361
25 Burusho+Pathan+Pathan+Tabassaran @ 3.181469
26 Pathan+Pathan+Pathan+Pathan @ 3.218482
27 Balkar+Burusho+Burusho+Pathan @ 3.238919
28 Afghan_Tadjik+Pathan+Pathan+Pathan @ 3.253378
29 Afghan_Pashtun+Burusho+Pathan+Pathan @ 3.262576
30 Burusho+Burusho+Burusho+Kurdish @ 3.30627
31 Burusho+Kabardin+Pathan+Pathan @ 3.337082
32 Azeri+Burusho+Burusho+Pathan @ 3.360813
33 Burusho+Burusho+Georgian_Imer+Pathan @ 3.435359
34 Afghan_Pashtun+Burusho+Burusho+Lezgin @ 3.513803
35 Burusho+Burusho+Kumyk+Pathan @ 3.520243
36 Afghan_Pashtun+Burusho+Burusho+Ossetian @ 3.543671
37 Burusho+Burusho+Burusho+Iranian @ 3.549926
38 Burusho+Burusho+Burusho+Georgian_Laz @ 3.624944
39 Afghan_Pashtun+Burusho+Burusho+Chechen @ 3.628813
40 Afghan_Pashtun+Pathan+Pathan+Tadjik @ 3.629299


Gaussian method.
Noise dispersion set to 0.676116
(this method is somewhat experimental)

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Burusho +25% Georgian_Imer +25% Pathan @ 3.249882
2 50% Pathan +25% Burusho +25% Georgian_Imer @ 3.42622
3 50% Burusho +25% Abkhasian +25% Pathan @ 3.606861
4 50% Pathan +25% Abkhasian +25% Burusho @ 3.638434
5 50% Burusho +25% Burusho +25% Georgian_Imer @ 3.696431
6 50% Pathan +25% Burusho +25% Pathan @ 3.815297
7 50% Burusho +25% Georgian_Laz +25% Pathan @ 3.91058
8 50% Burusho +25% Iranian_Jewish +25% Pathan @ 3.939016
9 50% Burusho +25% Kurdish +25% Pathan @ 3.986665
10 50% Burusho +25% Iraqi_Jewish +25% Pathan @ 3.992426

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Burusho+Burusho+Georgian_Imer+Pathan @ 3.249882
2 Burusho+Georgian_Imer+Pathan+Pathan @ 3.42622
3 Abkhasian+Burusho+Burusho+Pathan @ 3.606861
4 Abkhasian+Burusho+Pathan+Pathan @ 3.638434
5 Burusho+Burusho+Burusho+Georgian_Imer @ 3.696431
6 Burusho+Pathan+Pathan+Pathan @ 3.815297
7 Burusho+Burusho+Georgian_Laz+Pathan @ 3.91058
8 Burusho+Burusho+Iranian_Jewish+Pathan @ 3.939016
9 Burusho+Burusho+Kurdish+Pathan @ 3.986665
10 Burusho+Burusho+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 3.992426

As I expected, I'm rather close to both the FATA Pashtuns and the western Afghan Pashtuns, and I also seem to be approximately equidistant to both sampled groups. After Pashtuns, I'm most similar to other Central Asians. After Central Asians, the most similar populations to myself are all from the northern Caucasus (followed by peninsular South Asians and West Asians proper).

On a genealogical level, my top result for the least-squares method is very accurate, 50% FATA Pashtun+50% western Afghan Pashtun (eastern Afghan Pashtuns are identical to FATA Pashtuns, which is why I add "western" for these Ghilzai samples). But in terms of population genetic affinities, I guess 50% Burusho+25% Pashtun+25% Georgian is also accurate.

Edit: David's "Fateful Triangle" plot resembles this old PCA from Dienekes:

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The general structure is identical. Another demonstration that what was once called "ANI" ("Ancestral North Indian") is basically equivalent to "ANE" ("Ancestral North Eurasian". Regardless, ASI estimates for South Asians have always partially absorbed ANE). While Dienekes' "ANI" is clustering in a identical manner to South Central Asians/ANE on David's plot, "W_Asian" is clustering just like north Caucasians do on David's plot, "SW_Asian" is clustering just like Bedouins/ENF on David's plot, "S_European" is clustering like the southwestern Europeans on David's plot, and "N_European" is clustering like the northeastern Europeans on David's plot.

Nice bro, btw where do you think The two durranis( HRP0370 and HRP0286) plot? They have 51% and 50% ENF. You lack WHG whereas afghan Pashtuns have Atleast 6%, why? The metspalu afghan Pashtuns scored higher ANE than afghans from Harappa like the ones from the personal spreadsheet. Btw there is also another afghan pashtun( half alokzai) jesus's frievd, he had 50% ENF. His South Indian on Harappa was 14%. That's all we know about him. Btw HRP0286 famiky lived in nangahar province for some time, isn't he eastern pashtun? ( we literally have no eastern afghan pashtun samples at the moment)

jesus
01-14-2015, 01:11 AM
That is damn close!

The only thing I still have to figure out is why my South Eurasian is slightly higher than yours, since you usually score a little higher S. Asian. It may be that South Eurasian also contains an East Eurasian component, and that would explain it.

Edit: Any ideas?

2nd Edit: Unlikely E Eurasian, since my E Eurasian was almost 0

I honestly don't think that South eurasian is fully related to the South Indian component( in Harappa) because North caucasians get usually 1-3% south Indian but in WE K8 they usually score more than 5% south Eurasian.

randwulf
01-14-2015, 01:38 AM
who told you that you are 70% South-German ?

south-germans are only Bavarians and Swabians

If they stated palantine , then these are franconian not far from france


So, I didn't mean to get into a semantic thing on this, but I meant the "southern part of the current country of Germany" and not too much more than that. Many of the immigrants were great grandparents and I have specific village names. I have been to several of them, so I know how far they are from France. I emailed with Davidski on my results and he stated that the 25-30% English/Scottish/Irish/French would "pull" the southern German heritage northwest a little into Eastern France. Here goes the list:

Schweinheim-Aschaffenburg Bavaria (great grandparent)
Darmstadt, Hesse (great grandparent)
Obergimpern, Baden-Wurttemberg (great grandparent)
Saarland (great grandparent)

That represents about 50% of my lineage and are close enough time-wise to me that I am confident in the locations. I wouldn't be surprised if these people are mostly "Franconian".

On the other 20% of the 70%, they are from immigration during Colonial USA and are "Reformed/Calvinist" PA Dutch the villages range from the Jagst river valley through the Rhineland and Alsace German as many as I could trace with some confidence.

The remaining 30% of my heritage divides up into 25 of the 30 being English and the other 5 being a split of Scottish, Irish, and French. I don't know of any other heritage. So, these results seem entirely reasonable to me given all of that.

randwulf
01-14-2015, 01:46 AM
Which kind of South German ancestors? It looks like Palatinate to me.

It includes some Palatinate. I explain a little more below to answer a similar question. They range from Bavaria to Alsace. But the English being 25% with 5% in other more NW lineage would also pull things that way from what I understand.

Sein
01-14-2015, 01:54 AM
Nice bro, btw where do you think The two durranis( HRP0370 and HRP0286) plot? They have 51% and 50% ENF. You lack WHG whereas afghan Pashtuns have Atleast 6%, why? The metspalu afghan Pashtuns scored higher ANE than afghans from Harappa like the ones from the personal spreadsheet. Btw there is also another afghan pashtun( half alokzai) jesus's frievd, he had 50% ENF. His South Indian on Harappa was 14%. That's all we know about him. Btw HRP0286 famiky lived in nangahar province for some time, isn't he eastern pashtun? ( we literally have no eastern afghan pashtun samples at the moment)

Hey Barnacle,

They will probably be shifted slightly to my west, due to less ANE.

Although, the numbers you've mentioned are based on the DIY K7 test. In this ADMIXTURE run, western Afghan Pashtuns of Durrani and Ghilzai heritage are (on average) 48% ENF, and 3% WHG. I'm around 46% ENF and 1% WHG, so no noticeable differences. The average western Afghan Pashtun is 12.87% ASE, while I'm 13.70% ASE. That's a meager difference of 0.83%, not even a full 1%.

For what it's worth, the differences in ANE levels between the Metspalu Afghan samples and the Afghans from Harappa aren't real, since the results were arrived at by different methods. The Metspalu samples were in an actual ADMIXTURE run, while the personal results were based on a DIY calculator. And now no apples-to-apples comparison can be made, since this K8 test is different from the older K7.

As far as things go with HRP0286, he is a Muhammadzai Durrani Pashtun, and his family didn't mix with eastern Pashtuns in Nangarhar (he has no Mohmand, Shinwari, Khugyani, Safi, Mamund, or any other northeastern Afghan Pashtun ancestry. Although, he does have partially Uzbek and Tajik relatives, and his family has lived in Faryab for many years). His family just lived there, for a generation.

I've seen some eastern Afghan Pashtun results, they've ranged from 19% to 25% "South Indian" for HarappaWorld. In terms of publicly available results, HRP0281 seems to be an eastern Afghan Pashtun (anywhere from Nangarhar to Paktia). Also, HRP0373 is a western Afghan Pashtun with Tajik admixture. Despite this, his results are eastern Pashtun-like, but with a very heavy East Asian contribution.

A big caveat that needs to be noted, the exceedingly minor differentiation we see between western and eastern Pashtuns might disintegrate with more sampling. At 23andMe, I've met an Achakzai Durrani Pashtun from Kandahar whose results are well within range of the HGDP Pashtuns, and I've met an Afghan Pashtun of mixed Ghilzai and Durrani heritage who is 27% "South Indian" for HarappaWorld! And even if we ignore these three western Afghan Pashtuns (I'm counting HRP0373), the differences are so minor. Both western and eastern Pashtuns cluster together on PCA plots, and programs that try to tease out "populations" from genetic data consistently show both "groups" to actually belong to a single population. This ADMIXTURE run is further evidence of this, since both western and eastern Pashtuns are virtually identical in it.

That being said, the question of why western Afghan Pashtuns are around 3%-4% WHG, while eastern Pashtuns are more around 0%-1%, is quite interesting.

Sein
01-14-2015, 02:13 AM
I updated the dendrogram, Humanist is now part of the Assyrian average.

http://oi58.tinypic.com/3452a7o.jpg

For the fun of it, is it possible to include me on this plot? I'd appreciate this. Thanks in advance.

vettor
01-14-2015, 03:04 AM
So, I didn't mean to get into a semantic thing on this, but I meant the "southern part of the current country of Germany" and not too much more than that. Many of the immigrants were great grandparents and I have specific village names. I have been to several of them, so I know how far they are from France. I emailed with Davidski on my results and he stated that the 25-30% English/Scottish/Irish/French would "pull" the southern German heritage northwest a little into Eastern France. Here goes the list:

Schweinheim-Aschaffenburg Bavaria (great grandparent)
Darmstadt, Hesse (great grandparent)
Obergimpern, Baden-Wurttemberg (great grandparent)
Saarland (great grandparent)

That represents about 50% of my lineage and are close enough time-wise to me that I am confident in the locations. I wouldn't be surprised if these people are mostly "Franconian".

On the other 20% of the 70%, they are from immigration during Colonial USA and are "Reformed/Calvinist" PA Dutch the villages range from the Jagst river valley through the Rhineland and Alsace German as many as I could trace with some confidence.

The remaining 30% of my heritage divides up into 25 of the 30 being English and the other 5 being a split of Scottish, Irish, and French. I don't know of any other heritage. So, these results seem entirely reasonable to me given all of that.

While I agree with you on the hesse lands supplying many germans to USA, these went usually to virginia or states lower down , NC, SC or Georgia in colonial times. I actually have a deep ancestors from Hesse. and many USA matches who angelized their names but state they are from Hesse ( Kassel part)

While I can also agree that Baden and Bavaria are from the south , Hesse and Saarland are central and west.
Do you have any connection with the alsace or Lorraine regions/areas by chance.......they had many Germans who moved in a sweeping movement from bavarian to swabians lands and into france.

randwulf
01-14-2015, 03:54 AM
While I agree with you on the hesse lands supplying many germans to USA, these went usually to virginia or states lower down , NC, SC or Georgia in colonial times. I actually have a deep ancestors from Hesse. and many USA matches who angelized their names but state they are from Hesse ( Kassel part)

While I can also agree that Baden and Bavaria are from the south , Hesse and Saarland are central and west.
Do you have any connection with the alsace or Lorraine regions/areas by chance.......they had many Germans who moved in a sweeping movement from bavarian to swabians lands and into france.

The Bavaria, Hesse, and Baden-Wurttemberg villages are really pretty close to each other, if you look them up on the map. We were able to visit all of them (and Jagst/Neckar river area) with just a little driving around on a two-day trip. The great-grandparents from those three places and the Saarland great-grandparents (or their parents in a couple of cases) were all German Catholics that moved to Pittsburgh during the 1870s-1890s.

I definitely have some Alsace names. Also, some French Huguenot names, I think, that moved to Virginia in Colonial times. Most of my mother's father's ancestors came about the same time to Philadelphia and moved over time northwest through Pennsylvania and mostly married within the community until later. My understanding is that many of these were Palatinate and maybe some east/south of there. I don't know of many "Hesse" connections from this and wasn't trying to say that.

Again, as far as semantics, I only meant "not northern" Germany, and wasn't using it in the restricted sense you are giving it (and maybe is more common terminology, so apologize for the unclarity). For that matter, I do have a little northern German from Wolsdorf in Lower Saxony.

Overall, I guess I am amazed at how well most of these calculators approximate mixed ancestry from the same general region just from looking at these SNPs. I thought this one did a great job. One more list, a summary of recent "paper" genealogy results which I hope makes it about as clear as I can make it:

50% German Catholics from Bavaria, Hesse, Baden-Wurttemberg, Saarland equal parts
25% Colonial Virginia (really mixed up, mostly English but typical name mix from that region including also Scottish/Irish/French/North German (Lower Saxony)/Alsace and other German names)
18.75% PA Colonial German (including at least one Alsace name, one tracing to Baden-Wurttemberg, many likely Palatinates)
3.125% English immigrant to USA - great-great-great grandmother
3.125% Unknown Vermont, USA ancestor from mid-1800s - great-great-great grandfather

Kurd
01-14-2015, 03:55 AM
I honestly don't think that South eurasian is fully related to the South Indian component( in Harappa) because North caucasians get usually 1-3% south Indian but in WE K8 they usually score more than 5% south Eurasian.

While not fully related to S. Indian, it appears to be partially associated with it. I sorted the K8 spreadsheet, and tabulated a few populations to get an idea. Iranian and Afghan Tajik overlaps our S Eurasian result.





No.


Population


South Eurasian %




1
Malay



34 - 60




2
Burmese



23 - 31




3
S. Indian



22 - 26




4
Burusho



14.5 – 19.5




5
Afghan Pashtun



10 - 13




6
Afghan Tajik



6 – 13.5




7
Iranian



2.3 – 7.7




8
Lezgin



3.3 – 5.6




9
Armenian



1.7 - 4




10
Bedouin & Swedish



0 – 1.9




11
Italian & Egyptian



0 – 1.2





12
African



~ 0

DMXX
01-14-2015, 03:59 AM
While not fully related to S. Indian, it appears to be partially associated with it. I sorted the K8 spreadsheet, and tabulated a few populations to get an idea. Iranian and Afghan Tajik overlaps our S Eurasian result.


That was my preliminary impression as well. Southern Eurasian appears to be some sort of mixture between the traditional ADMIXTURE South Asian component with something reminiscent of SE Asian. I tend away from implicating anything like Basal Eurasian or the Red Sea components as the distribution simply does not match up (e.g. 0-1.9% in Bedouin as your figures indicate).

CelticGerman
01-14-2015, 06:12 AM
who told you that you are 70% South-German ?

south-germans are only Bavarians and Swabians

If they stated palantine , then these are franconian not far from france

Don't forget the Palatinate, such as Lorraine, lost almost the whole population during 30 years war and following wars in 17th century. New settlers came in high numbers from Switzerland and Tirol, which means you have a strong Alpine origin there.

The Barnacle
01-14-2015, 09:43 AM
Hey Barnacle,

They will probably be shifted slightly to my west, due to less ANE.

Although, the numbers you've mentioned are based on the DIY K7 test. In this ADMIXTURE run, western Afghan Pashtuns of Durrani and Ghilzai heritage are (on average) 48% ENF, and 3% WHG. I'm around 46% ENF and 1% WHG, so no noticeable differences. The average western Afghan Pashtun is 12.87% ASE, while I'm 13.70% ASE. That's a meager difference of 0.83%, not even a full 1%.

For what it's worth, the differences in ANE levels between the Metspalu Afghan samples and the Afghans from Harappa aren't real, since the results were arrived at by different methods. The Metspalu samples were in an actual ADMIXTURE run, while the personal results were based on a DIY calculator. And now no apples-to-apples comparison can be made, since this K8 test is different from the older K7.

As far as things go with HRP0286, he is a Muhammadzai Durrani Pashtun, and his family didn't mix with eastern Pashtuns in Nangarhar (he has no Mohmand, Shinwari, Khugyani, Safi, Mamund, or any other northeastern Afghan Pashtun ancestry. Although, he does have partially Uzbek and Tajik relatives, and his family has lived in Faryab for many years). His family just lived there, for a generation.

I've seen some eastern Afghan Pashtun results, they've ranged from 19% to 25% "South Indian" for HarappaWorld. In terms of publicly available results, HRP0281 seems to be an eastern Afghan Pashtun (anywhere from Nangarhar to Paktia). Also, HRP0373 is a western Afghan Pashtun with Tajik admixture. Despite this, his results are eastern Pashtun-like, but with a very heavy East Asian contribution.

A big caveat that needs to be noted, the exceedingly minor differentiation we see between western and eastern Pashtuns might disintegrate with more sampling. At 23andMe, I've met an Achakzai Durrani Pashtun from Kandahar whose results are well within range of the HGDP Pashtuns, and I've met an Afghan Pashtun of mixed Ghilzai and Durrani heritage who is 27% "South Indian" for HarappaWorld! And even if we ignore these three western Afghan Pashtuns (I'm counting HRP0373), the differences are so minor. Both western and eastern Pashtuns cluster together on PCA plots, and programs that try to tease out "populations" from genetic data consistently show both "groups" to actually belong to a single population. This ADMIXTURE run is further evidence of this, since both western and eastern Pashtuns are virtually identical in it.

That being said, the question of why western Afghan Pashtuns are around 3%-4% WHG, while eastern Pashtuns are more around 0%-1%, is quite interesting.

Wow seriously? That's new news to me. Could you dm their Harappa results if that's possible? 27% is just way too high IMO, what tribe was he from? Why don't they publicise their results? In addition what would you classify the metspalu Pashtuns? They were ghilzais from the northeast. Weren't they Eastern Pashtuns? Why Doesbt HRP0281 reveal his background? I've seen his results and he's much more South Asian shifted. Than Durrani Pashtuns and metspalu Pashtuns.

Jessie
01-14-2015, 11:45 AM
I'll post my mother's scores and map here as I didn't post the maps in my earlier posts.

ANE 0.161975
South_Eurasian 0.007057
Near_Eastern 0.386478
East_Eurasian 1E-005
WHG 0.443603
Oceanian 0.000857
Pygmy 1E-005
Sub-Saharan 1E-005



Lower bound NE

ANE 0.160113
South_Eurasian 0.009684
Near_Eastern 0.349168
East_Eurasian 1E-005
WHG 0.479065
Oceanian 0.001939
Pygmy 1E-005
Sub-Saharan 1E-005

http://i57.tinypic.com/24whnaq.png
http://i62.tinypic.com/2wr2olu.png

Dr_McNinja
01-14-2015, 12:34 PM
That being said, the question of why western Afghan Pashtuns are around 3%-4% WHG, while eastern Pashtuns are more around 0%-1%, is quite interesting.If the trace amounts of WHG are real, then there are peaks with those western Pashtun and in Haryana. I'd wager it's an old Indo-Aryan-related signal (since there's no gradient spreading into Iran, but there is sort of one going to the Caucasus... North Caucasus -> Afghan Turkmen/Uzbek/Tajik/Hazara -> West Caucasus -> Pashtun and some Iranians). So that shows an old, interrupted Central Asian signal tracing to the Caucasus. But then there's the sharp peak in Haryana, pretty much ground zero for the Indo-Aryan North Indian homeland, spreading out in a gradient to all the upper castes of North India.

The traces of it that were suppressed (like in modern day Pakistan or eastern Afghanistan) were probably due to subsequent migrations of WHG-less populations (West Asian/Gedrosian-type or later East Asians).

It'd be cool if someone could make a heatmap of WHG distribution throughout Asia and try to reconstruct the ancient spread of these people which could enable us to hazard better guesses about the sources of later migrations which interrupted the gradient.

Jessie
01-14-2015, 12:36 PM
ANE 0.158429
South_Eurasian 0.00305
Near_Eastern 0.384229
East_Eurasian 1E-005
WHG 0.453869
Oceanian 0.000393
Pygmy 1E-005
Sub-Saharan 1E-005



Lower bound NE

ANE 0.156524
South_Eurasian 0.005765
Near_Eastern 0.346246
East_Eurasian 1E-005
WHG 0.489913
Oceanian 0.001522
Pygmy 1E-005
Sub-Saharan 1E-005

http://i57.tinypic.com/rtma9l.png
http://i61.tinypic.com/68y5ir.png

Kurd
01-14-2015, 01:11 PM
Hi everyone,

It's been quite awhile since I've posted anything (real life caught up with me). These are my results for West Eurasia K8:

Near_Eastern=46.142%
ANE=32.3922%
South_Eurasian=13.7069%
Oceanian=2.8283%
East_Eurasian=2.4362%
Sub-Saharan=1.3887%
WHG=0.6869%
Pygmy=0.4188%

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(I'm the red dot that's deviating from the northern Caucasians in the direction of ANE)

Looking at the PCA, it seems I'm fairly close to being a simple mix of ENF and ANE. To an extent, my ancestral mix approximates that of Gökhem2, but with all that WHG being replaced by ANE (WHG and ANE are very closely related Eurasian clades).

I tried Srkz's 4A Oracle datasheet with my results, but with a few modifications. I added a "South_Indian" population average (based on those three samples in the West_Eurasia_K8 spreadsheet), and I recalculated the Afghan Pashtun average by excluding Pashtun2_6Af and including Tadjik1_44Af (although I failed to do anything with the Afghan Tadjik average, even though it should have been recalculated without Tadjik1_44Af). I think the results make sense:

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Pathan @ 3.218482
2 Afghan_Pashtun @ 3.634856
3 Burusho @ 10.489049
4 Tadjik @ 13.374154
5 Afghan_Tadjik @ 15.765776
6 Afghan_Uzbeki @ 15.946429
7 Tabassaran @ 17.542641
8 Lezgin @ 18.601053
9 Chechen @ 20.013757
10 Kumyk @ 20.019555
11 Balkar @ 20.32801
12 North_Ossetian @ 20.356819
13 Kabardin @ 21.032459
14 Adygei @ 21.741314
15 Ossetian @ 21.866239
16 Turkmen @ 22.930974
17 South_Indian @ 23.702367
18 Iranian @ 27.316449
19 Azeri @ 27.317924
20 Abkhasian @ 28.507583

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Afghan_Pashtun+Pathan @ 2.294134
2 Pathan+Pathan @ 3.218482
3 Afghan_Pashtun+Afghan_Pashtun @ 3.634856
4 Afghan_Pashtun+Burusho @ 4.666368
5 Burusho+Lezgin @ 5.797709
6 Burusho+Tabassaran @ 5.988211
7 Burusho+Pathan @ 5.995527
8 Pathan+Tadjik @ 6.135522
9 Burusho+Chechen @ 6.390535
10 Burusho+North_Ossetian @ 6.703605

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Pathan +25% Pathan @ 2.294134
2 50% Pathan +25% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Pathan @ 2.486011
3 50% Burusho +25% Abkhasian +25% Pathan @ 2.608305
4 50% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Burusho +25% Pathan @ 2.730981
5 50% Burusho +25% Ossetian +25% Pathan @ 2.737086
6 50% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Burusho @ 2.744684
7 50% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Pathan @ 2.758084
8 50% Pathan +25% Burusho +25% North_Ossetian @ 2.8613
9 50% Burusho +25% Iranian +25% Pathan @ 2.866579
10 50% Pathan +25% Burusho +25% Lezgin @ 2.875578
11 50% Burusho +25% Adygei +25% Pathan @ 2.915361
12 50% Pathan +25% Balkar +25% Burusho @ 2.9672
13 50% Pathan +25% Burusho +25% Ossetian @ 2.973684
14 50% Burusho +25% Abkhasian +25% Burusho @ 2.993813
15 50% Pathan +25% Afghan_Uzbeki +25% Pathan @ 3.048549
16 50% Pathan +25% Burusho +25% Chechen @ 3.072465
17 50% Burusho +25% Chechen +25% Pathan @ 3.093257
18 50% Burusho +25% North_Ossetian +25% Pathan @ 3.100549
19 50% Pathan +25% Adygei +25% Burusho @ 3.107142
20 50% Pathan +25% Burusho +25% Kumyk @ 3.107379
21 50% Burusho +25% Lezgin +25% Pathan @ 3.111684
22 50% Pathan +25% Pathan +25% Tadjik @ 3.124014
23 50% Burusho +25% Burusho +25% Georgian_Imer @ 3.144711
24 50% Burusho +25% Kurdish +25% Pathan @ 3.16361
25 50% Pathan +25% Burusho +25% Tabassaran @ 3.181469
26 50% Burusho +25% Balkar +25% Pathan @ 3.238919
27 50% Pathan +25% Afghan_Tadjik +25% Pathan @ 3.253378
28 50% Pathan +25% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Burusho @ 3.262576
29 50% Burusho +25% Burusho +25% Kurdish @ 3.30627
30 50% Pathan +25% Burusho +25% Kabardin @ 3.337082
31 50% Burusho +25% Azeri +25% Pathan @ 3.360813
32 50% Burusho +25% Georgian_Imer +25% Pathan @ 3.435359
33 50% Burusho +25% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Lezgin @ 3.513803
34 50% Burusho +25% Kumyk +25% Pathan @ 3.520243
35 50% Burusho +25% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Ossetian @ 3.543671
36 50% Burusho +25% Burusho +25% Iranian @ 3.549926
37 50% Burusho +25% Burusho +25% Georgian_Laz @ 3.624944
38 50% Burusho +25% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Chechen @ 3.628813
39 50% Pathan +25% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Tadjik @ 3.629299
40 50% Burusho +25% Kabardin +25% Pathan @ 3.671071

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Afghan_Pashtun+Afghan_Pashtun+Pathan+Pathan @ 2.294134
2 Afghan_Pashtun+Pathan+Pathan+Pathan @ 2.486011
3 Abkhasian+Burusho+Burusho+Pathan @ 2.608305
4 Afghan_Pashtun+Afghan_Pashtun+Burusho+Pathan @ 2.730981
5 Burusho+Burusho+Ossetian+Pathan @ 2.737086
6 Afghan_Pashtun+Afghan_Pashtun+Afghan_Pashtun+Burus ho @ 2.744684
7 Afghan_Pashtun+Afghan_Pashtun+Afghan_Pashtun+Patha n @ 2.758084
8 Burusho+North_Ossetian+Pathan+Pathan @ 2.8613
9 Burusho+Burusho+Iranian+Pathan @ 2.866579
10 Burusho+Lezgin+Pathan+Pathan @ 2.875578
11 Adygei+Burusho+Burusho+Pathan @ 2.915361
12 Balkar+Burusho+Pathan+Pathan @ 2.9672
13 Burusho+Ossetian+Pathan+Pathan @ 2.973684
14 Abkhasian+Burusho+Burusho+Burusho @ 2.993813
15 Afghan_Uzbeki+Pathan+Pathan+Pathan @ 3.048549
16 Burusho+Chechen+Pathan+Pathan @ 3.072465
17 Burusho+Burusho+Chechen+Pathan @ 3.093257
18 Burusho+Burusho+North_Ossetian+Pathan @ 3.100549
19 Adygei+Burusho+Pathan+Pathan @ 3.107142
20 Burusho+Kumyk+Pathan+Pathan @ 3.107379
21 Burusho+Burusho+Lezgin+Pathan @ 3.111684
22 Pathan+Pathan+Pathan+Tadjik @ 3.124014
23 Burusho+Burusho+Burusho+Georgian_Imer @ 3.144711
24 Burusho+Burusho+Kurdish+Pathan @ 3.16361
25 Burusho+Pathan+Pathan+Tabassaran @ 3.181469
26 Pathan+Pathan+Pathan+Pathan @ 3.218482
27 Balkar+Burusho+Burusho+Pathan @ 3.238919
28 Afghan_Tadjik+Pathan+Pathan+Pathan @ 3.253378
29 Afghan_Pashtun+Burusho+Pathan+Pathan @ 3.262576
30 Burusho+Burusho+Burusho+Kurdish @ 3.30627
31 Burusho+Kabardin+Pathan+Pathan @ 3.337082
32 Azeri+Burusho+Burusho+Pathan @ 3.360813
33 Burusho+Burusho+Georgian_Imer+Pathan @ 3.435359
34 Afghan_Pashtun+Burusho+Burusho+Lezgin @ 3.513803
35 Burusho+Burusho+Kumyk+Pathan @ 3.520243
36 Afghan_Pashtun+Burusho+Burusho+Ossetian @ 3.543671
37 Burusho+Burusho+Burusho+Iranian @ 3.549926
38 Burusho+Burusho+Burusho+Georgian_Laz @ 3.624944
39 Afghan_Pashtun+Burusho+Burusho+Chechen @ 3.628813
40 Afghan_Pashtun+Pathan+Pathan+Tadjik @ 3.629299


Gaussian method.
Noise dispersion set to 0.676116
(this method is somewhat experimental)

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Burusho +25% Georgian_Imer +25% Pathan @ 3.249882
2 50% Pathan +25% Burusho +25% Georgian_Imer @ 3.42622
3 50% Burusho +25% Abkhasian +25% Pathan @ 3.606861
4 50% Pathan +25% Abkhasian +25% Burusho @ 3.638434
5 50% Burusho +25% Burusho +25% Georgian_Imer @ 3.696431
6 50% Pathan +25% Burusho +25% Pathan @ 3.815297
7 50% Burusho +25% Georgian_Laz +25% Pathan @ 3.91058
8 50% Burusho +25% Iranian_Jewish +25% Pathan @ 3.939016
9 50% Burusho +25% Kurdish +25% Pathan @ 3.986665
10 50% Burusho +25% Iraqi_Jewish +25% Pathan @ 3.992426

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Burusho+Burusho+Georgian_Imer+Pathan @ 3.249882
2 Burusho+Georgian_Imer+Pathan+Pathan @ 3.42622
3 Abkhasian+Burusho+Burusho+Pathan @ 3.606861
4 Abkhasian+Burusho+Pathan+Pathan @ 3.638434
5 Burusho+Burusho+Burusho+Georgian_Imer @ 3.696431
6 Burusho+Pathan+Pathan+Pathan @ 3.815297
7 Burusho+Burusho+Georgian_Laz+Pathan @ 3.91058
8 Burusho+Burusho+Iranian_Jewish+Pathan @ 3.939016
9 Burusho+Burusho+Kurdish+Pathan @ 3.986665
10 Burusho+Burusho+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 3.992426

As I expected, I'm rather close to both the FATA Pashtuns and the western Afghan Pashtuns, and I also seem to be approximately equidistant to both sampled groups. After Pashtuns, I'm most similar to other Central Asians. After Central Asians, the most similar populations to myself are all from the northern Caucasus (followed by peninsular South Asians and West Asians proper).

On a genealogical level, my top result for the least-squares method is very accurate, 50% FATA Pashtun+50% western Afghan Pashtun (eastern Afghan Pashtuns are identical to FATA Pashtuns, which is why I add "western" for these Ghilzai samples). But in terms of population genetic affinities, I guess 50% Burusho+25% Pashtun+25% Georgian is also accurate.

Edit: David's "Fateful Triangle" plot resembles this old PCA from Dienekes:

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The general structure is identical. Another demonstration that what was once called "ANI" ("Ancestral North Indian") is basically equivalent to "ANE" ("Ancestral North Eurasian". Regardless, ASI estimates for South Asians have always partially absorbed ANE). While Dienekes' "ANI" is clustering in a identical manner to South Central Asians/ANE on David's plot, "W_Asian" is clustering just like north Caucasians do on David's plot, "SW_Asian" is clustering just like Bedouins/ENF on David's plot, "S_European" is clustering like the southwestern Europeans on David's plot, and "N_European" is clustering like the northeastern Europeans on David's plot.

Sein,

Would it be possible for you to run my numbers through the Oracle at your leisure.

I'll be posting a plot that David was kind enough to provide, showing where Tajiks and Pashtuns cluster later today.

Thank you.

Edit: My WHG is 2% and E Eurasian is 0

Dr_McNinja
01-14-2015, 01:57 PM
What was the basis for the Oceanian component? Papuans?

parasar
01-14-2015, 03:55 PM
If the trace amounts of WHG are real, then there are peaks with those western Pashtun and in Haryana. I'd wager it's an old Indo-Aryan-related signal (since there's no gradient spreading into Iran, but there is sort of one going to the Caucasus... North Caucasus -> Afghan Turkmen/Uzbek/Tajik/Hazara -> West Caucasus -> Pashtun and some Iranians). So that shows an old, interrupted Central Asian signal tracing to the Caucasus. But then there's the sharp peak in Haryana, pretty much ground zero for the Indo-Aryan North Indian homeland, spreading out in a gradient to all the upper castes of North India.

The traces of it that were suppressed (like in modern day Pakistan or eastern Afghanistan) were probably due to subsequent migrations of WHG-less populations (West Asian/Gedrosian-type or later East Asians).
...

I doubt it is WHG, as in Loschbour/La Brana type WHG, but is shared Eurasian Hunter gatherer (non Basal European) ancestry. When Patterson claims that Indians don't have WHG I think he is referring specifically to Laziridis' WHG - a European component. Otherwise I can't understand how he said the same about Armenians.

As far as Haryana is concerned, Baudhayana does indeed mention the eastern Punjab/Haryana as some king of a locus.
"Ayu went eastwards, the Kuru-PancAla and the Kasi-Videha are the Ayavas. And AmAvasu westwards, the GAndhArI, ParSu and AraTTa, AmAvasyavas."

The Shatpath Brahman gives us the location of the Ayavas as follows.
Kuru-Panchala - the Ganga-Jamuna doab.
Kasi Videha - to the east of the above up to the river Sadanira (in modern Bihar).

East of the Ayavas were the non-Vedic asurya people the Sakya, Licchavi, Magadhas, Angas etc. These look to be the Indo-Iranians. So essentially Indo-Iranians were to the east of the Vedic folk! This obviously is not easily explained so Dr. Witzel proposed an earlier migration and presence in eastern India of '(northern) Iranians:'
http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~witzel/canon.pdf

Many of these tribes, including the Śakya to whom the Buddha belonged, are called asurya in ŚB. For it is the Sakya and their neighbors, the Malla, Vajji, etc. who are reported in the Påli texts as builders of high grave mounds, such as the one built for the Buddha. According to ŚB 12.8.1.5 the “easterners and others(!)” are reported to have round “demonic” graves, some of which may have been excavated at Lauriya in E. Nepal. These graves are similar to the kurgan type grave mounds of S. Russia and Central Asia. However, the origin of the Śakya is not as clear as that of the Malla and Vrji. They may very well have been (northern) Iranian, and would then constitute an earlier, apparently the first wave of the later Śaka invasions from Central Asia.

Kurd
01-14-2015, 04:51 PM
David was kind enough to provide a plot showing where Pashtuns (light pink) and Tajiks (hot pink) cluster. Here it is, in case anyone is curious. http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah42/dil88888/K8plot2_zps971eb8e7.png (http://s1377.photobucket.com/user/dil88888/media/K8plot2_zps971eb8e7.png.html)

The Barnacle
01-14-2015, 05:07 PM
David was kind enough to provide a plot showing where Pashtuns (light pink) and Tajiks (hot pink) cluster. Here it is, in case anyone is curious. http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah42/dil88888/K8plot2_zps971eb8e7.png (http://s1377.photobucket.com/user/dil88888/media/K8plot2_zps971eb8e7.png.html)

Thanks for that bro. Btw which Pashtuns are those? Metspalu afghan Pashtuns or HGDP Pathans from Pakistan?and the Tajiks?

Edit: actually using common sense those are probably the HGDP Pathans given the amount of plots . Afghan Pashtuns would probably plot where the most western shifted light pink plot is.

Dr_McNinja
01-14-2015, 06:47 PM
I doubt it is WHG, as in Loschbour/La Brana type WHG, but is shared Eurasian Hunter gatherer (non Basal European) ancestry. When Patterson claims that Indians don't have WHG I think he is referring specifically to Laziridis' WHG - a European component. Otherwise I can't understand how he said the same about Armenians.

As far as Haryana is concerned, Baudhayana does indeed mention the eastern Punjab/Haryana as some king of a locus.
"Ayu went eastwards, the Kuru-PancAla and the Kasi-Videha are the Ayavas. And AmAvasu westwards, the GAndhArI, ParSu and AraTTa, AmAvasyavas."

The Shatpath Brahman gives us the location of the Ayavas as follows.
Kuru-Panchala - the Ganga-Jamuna doab.
Kasi Videha - to the east of the above up to the river Sadanira (in modern Bihar).

East of the Ayavas were the non-Vedic asurya people the Sakya, Licchavi, Magadhas, Angas etc. These look to be the Indo-Iranians. So essentially Indo-Iranians were to the east of the Vedic folk! This obviously is not easily explained so Dr. Witzel proposed an earlier migration and presence in eastern India of '(northern) Iranians:'
http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~witzel/canon.pdfYeah, it's probably not WHG but "UHG" as David labeled it. But even WHG is possible if the origin is far northwest enough. The Indo-Aryans came relatively late in India's history, genetically speaking.

I would bet there was a bunch of West/Southwest Asian origin people in India at that point. That 28-31% Southwest-ENF layer along with ANE had probably already spread across the entire subcontinent. The Indo-Aryans, according to Wikipedia, separated from Indo-Iranians circa 1800 BCE so that's quite recent. The earlier ENF wave might've brought farming/agriculture to India? Precursor of the IVC perhaps?

DMXX
01-14-2015, 06:57 PM
Yeah, it's probably not WHG but "UHG" as David labeled it. But even WHG is possible if the origin is far northwest enough. The Indo-Aryans came relatively late in India's history, genetically speaking.

I would bet there was a bunch of West/Southwest Asian origin people in India at that point. That 28-31% Southwest-ENF layer along with ANE had probably already spread across the entire subcontinent. The Indo-Aryans, according to Wikipedia, separated from Indo-Iranians circa 1800 BCE so that's quite recent. The earlier ENF wave might've brought farming/agriculture to India? Precursor of the IVC perhaps?

I don't know enough about Dravidian, but perhaps this SW Asian-ENF-type layer may be attributed to them?

Kurd
01-15-2015, 12:47 AM
Thanks for that bro. Btw which Pashtuns are those? Metspalu afghan Pashtuns or HGDP Pathans from Pakistan?and the Tajiks?

Edit: actually using common sense those are probably the HGDP Pathans given the amount of plots . Afghan Pashtuns would probably plot where the most western shifted light pink plot is.

I am not sure, David did not mention.

Chad Rohlfsen
01-15-2015, 03:02 AM
A migration of ANE from Central/South Central Asia, into West Asia, is not out of the question. Archaeology does support a migration like that leading to Maykop. Someone had to bring it, that lacked WHG. Someone east and maybe southeast of the Caspian would make more sense.

Anything west of the Urals has too much WHG to be the majority source of West Asian ANE.

Sein
01-15-2015, 03:52 AM
Sein,

Would it be possible for you to run my numbers through the Oracle at your leisure.

I'll be posting a plot that David was kind enough to provide, showing where Tajiks and Pashtuns cluster later today.

Thank you.

Edit: My WHG is 2% and E Eurasian is 0

Absolutely my friend. The only thing I need are your full results for K8 (you can PM me, or post the percentages here, whatever you prefer).

Kurd
01-15-2015, 02:10 PM
Absolutely my friend. The only thing I need are your full results for K8 (you can PM me, or post the percentages here, whatever you prefer).

Much appreciated. You will find them under my post 2 to 4 pages earlier. Edit: Near the bottom of page 16Also, I have added you to a colorful plot that I have created based on K8 populations using 2 contrasting components based on FST. One component has a positive eastward geographic correlation on the x axis, and another component that has a positive northward geographic correlation on the y axis.

Edit: The plot has been posted under a new thread.

R.Rocca
01-15-2015, 02:19 PM
Does anyone know if K8 will make its way into GedMatch any time soon?

Anglecynn
01-15-2015, 04:00 PM
Does anyone know if K8 will make its way into GedMatch any time soon?

David said he might put a version onto GEDmatch at some point soon, although it wouldn't be as good as this run.

jesus
01-16-2015, 01:49 AM
Durrani from Kandahar (Popalzai + Alakozai)

David:



The five closest populations are Afghan Pashtun, Pakistani Pashtun, Tabassaran, Lezgin and North Ossetian.


ANE 29.9865%
South_Eurasian 11.6148%
Near_Eastern 52.4395%
East_Eurasian 2.2923%
WHG 1.3676%
Oceanian 0.06219%
Pygmy 0%
Sub-Saharan 1.6764%



Lower bound NE

ANE 29.9877%
South_Eurasian 11.5393%
Near_Eastern 52.4249%
East_Eurasian 2.2223%
WHG 1.6879%
Oceanian 0.5762%
Pygmy 0%
Sub-Saharan 1.5607%


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Dr_McNinja
01-16-2015, 02:56 AM
Results for HRP0393 Haryana Jatt:

http://imgur.com/a/AVc2E

ANE 31.6424%
South_Eurasian 15.1968%
Near_Eastern 39.0317%
East_Eurasian 1.2845%
WHG 7.4128%
Oceanian 2.4686%
Pygmy 0%
Sub-Saharan 2.9622%

Lower bound NE:

ANE 31.6409%
South_Eurasian 15.1622%
Near_Eastern 38.5593%
East_Eurasian 1.2483%
WHG 8.0548%
Oceanian 2.4448%
Pygmy 0%
Sub-Saharan 2.8887%

Old Gedmatch K7:

ANE 29.93%
ASE 14.95%
WHG 13.06%
East Eurasian 3.24%
East African 3.03%
ENF 35.74%

Sein
01-16-2015, 06:25 AM
Much appreciated. You will find them under my post 2 to 4 pages earlier. Edit: Near the bottom of page 16Also, I have added you to a colorful plot that I have created based on K8 populations using 2 contrasting components based on FST. One component has a positive eastward geographic correlation on the x axis, and another component that has a positive northward geographic correlation on the y axis.

Edit: The plot has been posted under a new thread.

I think your results are quite interesting. I added the Kandahari Pashtun, and the Haryana Jatt:

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Iranian @ 3.700605
2 Abkhasian @ 5.974923
3 Kurdish @ 6.233466
4 Azeri @ 6.953237
5 Georgian_Imer @ 8.682327
6 Ossetian @ 9.579396
7 Georgian_Laz @ 10.67875
8 Turkish @ 12.023209
9 Adygei @ 12.269209
10 North_Ossetian @ 12.624598
11 Armenian @ 12.902126
12 Balkar @ 13.057675
13 Georgian_Jewish @ 14.080243
14 Iranian_Jewish @ 14.415249
15 Kumyk @ 14.642741
16 Chechen @ 14.831484
17 Kabardin @ 14.949494
18 Lezgin @ 15.781452
19 Syrian @ 16.889289
20 Lebanese_Muslim @ 16.964446
21 Iraqi_Jewish @ 17.931567
22 Tabassaran @ 18.429422
23 Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 18.575397
24 Druze @ 19.418563
25 Jordanian @ 20.170303
26 Cyprian @ 21.337722
27 Palestinian @ 21.814252
28 Lebanese_Christian @ 22.42324
29 Sephardic_Jewish @ 22.619056
30 Afghan_Pashtun @ 23.68159
31 Ashkenazi @ 23.78802
32 South_Italian @ 25.075382
33 Bedouin @ 25.824443
34 Central_Sicilian @ 26.35919
35 East_Sicilian @ 26.487025
36 Saudi @ 26.743389
37 Samaritan @ 26.814724
38 Egyptian @ 27.056394
39 West_Sicilian @ 27.237769
40 Pathan @ 27.357743
41 Italian_Abruzzo @ 27.856515
42 Central_Greek @ 28.116798
43 Tadjik @ 28.138602
44 Afghan_Uzbeki @ 28.741903
45 Greek @ 29.384464
46 Turkmen @ 30.223588
47 Afghan_Tadjik @ 30.70056
48 Yemenite_Jewish @ 30.811704
49 Greek_Thessaly @ 32.043511
50 Tunisian @ 32.465877
166 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Iraqi_Jewish+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 2.266587
2 Iranian_Jewish+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 3.146291
3 Iranian+Iranian @ 3.700605
4 Afghan_Pashtun+Iraqi_Jewish @ 4.063897
5 Georgian_Jewish+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.11602
6 Pathan+Samaritan @ 4.224947
7 Abkhasian+Iranian @ 4.415925
8 Iranian+Kurdish @ 4.707862
9 Armenian+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.746064
10 Azeri+Iranian @ 5.055412
11 Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Lebanese_Christian @ 5.102295
12 Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 5.106843
13 Druze+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 5.167968
14 Afghan_Pashtun+Samaritan @ 5.471385
15 Afghan_Pashtun+Iranian_Jewish @ 5.476819
16 Georgian_Imer+Iranian @ 5.605874
17 Abkhasian+Azeri @ 5.717903
18 Iranian+Ossetian @ 5.742854
19 Lebanese_Christian+Pathan @ 5.767815
20 Pathan+Saudi @ 5.771251
21 Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Samaritan @ 5.794828
22 Georgian_Laz+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 5.801436
23 Abkhasian+Kurdish @ 5.901388
24 Abkhasian+Abkhasian @ 5.974923
25 Azeri+Kurdish @ 5.985598
26 Afghan_Pashtun+Lebanese_Christian @ 6.073105
27 Georgian_Imer+Ossetian @ 6.076208
28 Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Lebanese_Muslim @ 6.139059
29 Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Syrian @ 6.142445
30 Pathan+Yemenite_Jewish @ 6.152603
31 Kurdish+Ossetian @ 6.173889
32 Kurdish+Kurdish @ 6.233466
33 Afghan_Pashtun+Saudi @ 6.429481
34 Afghan_Pashtun+Georgian_Jewish @ 6.455475
35 Azeri+Georgian_Imer @ 6.459481
36 Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Saudi @ 6.501317
37 Abkhasian+Ossetian @ 6.58415
38 Georgian_Laz+Iranian @ 6.745639
39 Georgian_Imer+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 6.762689
40 Iranian_Jewish+Pathan @ 6.795326
41 Afghan_Pashtun+Druze @ 6.837247
42 Georgian_Laz+Ossetian @ 6.902462
43 Iranian_Jewish+Ossetian @ 6.935485
44 Azeri+Azeri @ 6.953237
45 Georgian_Imer+North_Ossetian @ 7.002503
46 Iranian_Jewish+Lezgin @ 7.018739
47 Abkhasian+Georgian_Imer @ 7.057299
48 Iranian_Jewish+North_Ossetian @ 7.071053
49 Afghan_Pashtun+Armenian @ 7.07132
50 Druze+Pathan @ 7.071459
13861 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Iraqi_Jewish +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 2.266587
2 50% Iranian_Jewish +25% Iranian +25% Pathan @ 2.365917
3 50% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun +25% Iranian_Jewish +25% Iraqi_Jewish @ 2.588668
4 50% Iranian_Jewish +25% Abkhasian +25% Pathan @ 2.685513
5 50% Iranian +25% Iranian_Jewish +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 2.72484
6 50% Iranian +25% Iraqi_Jewish +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 2.73936
7 50% Iranian_Jewish +25% Burusho +25% Georgian_Imer @ 2.772777
8 50% Iranian_Jewish +25% Kurdish +25% Pathan @ 2.79597
9 50% Kurdish +25% Iraqi_Jewish +25% Pathan @ 2.806799
10 50% Iranian +25% Iraqi_Jewish +25% Pathan @ 2.910152
11 50% Iranian_Jewish +25% Burusho +25% Kurdish @ 2.957346
12 50% Iraqi_Jewish +25% Abkhasian +25% Burusho @ 2.979428
13 50% Iraqi_Jewish +25% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 2.98302
14 50% Iraqi_Jewish +25% Burusho +25% Iranian @ 3.016009
15 50% Kurdish +25% Iranian_Jewish +25% Pathan @ 3.028004
16 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Iranian_Jewish +25% Pathan @ 3.042828
17 50% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun +25% Georgian_Jewish +25% Iraqi_Jewish @ 3.053765
18 50% Iranian_Jewish +25% Abkhasian +25% Burusho @ 3.062204
19 50% Iranian_Jewish +25% Azeri +25% Pathan @ 3.07997
20 50% Iranian +25% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Iraqi_Jewish @ 3.083318
21 50% Iranian_Jewish +25% Georgian_Imer +25% Pathan @ 3.097632
22 50% Iranian_Jewish +25% Burusho +25% Georgian_Laz @ 3.120929
23 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Iraqi_Jewish +25% Pathan @ 3.145121
24 50% Iranian_Jewish +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 3.146291
25 50% Iranian_Jewish +25% Burusho +25% Iranian @ 3.160335
26 50% Iraqi_Jewish +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun +25% Pathan @ 3.167156
27 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Burusho +25% Iraqi_Jewish @ 3.18958
28 50% Iranian +25% Georgian_Jewish +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 3.189802
29 50% Iraqi_Jewish +25% Burusho +25% Kurdish @ 3.212192
30 50% Georgian_Jewish +25% Iranian +25% Pathan @ 3.280372
31 50% Iranian +25% Armenian +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 3.304165
32 50% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun +25% Armenian +25% Iraqi_Jewish @ 3.308384
33 50% Iranian_Jewish +25% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Iranian @ 3.308835
34 50% Iraqi_Jewish +25% Iranian +25% Pathan @ 3.322159
35 50% Iraqi_Jewish +25% Burusho +25% Georgian_Imer @ 3.344285
36 50% Iraqi_Jewish +25% Ossetian +25% Pathan @ 3.370763
37 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Georgian_Jewish +25% Pathan @ 3.374256
38 50% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun +25% Iranian_Jewish +25% Samaritan @ 3.376754
39 50% Armenian +25% Iranian +25% Pathan @ 3.378435
40 50% Kurdish +25% Iranian_Jewish +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 3.381288
41 50% Abkhasian +25% Iraqi_Jewish +25% Pathan @ 3.383324
42 50% Iranian_Jewish +25% Armenian +25% Burusho @ 3.396778
43 50% Iranian +25% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Iranian_Jewish @ 3.406927
44 50% Iranian_Jewish +25% Burusho +25% Iranian_Jewish @ 3.42642
45 50% Georgian_Laz +25% Burusho +25% Iraqi_Jewish @ 3.457641
46 50% Kurdish +25% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Iranian_Jewish @ 3.472702
47 50% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun +25% Georgian_Imer +25% Samaritan @ 3.479304
48 50% Iranian_Jewish +25% Ossetian +25% Pathan @ 3.484705
49 50% Iranian +25% Iranian_Jewish +25% Pathan @ 3.496193
50 50% Georgian_Laz +25% Burusho +25% Iranian_Jewish @ 3.500372
669857 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Iraqi_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun +Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 2.266587
2 Iranian+Iranian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish+Pathan @ 2.365917
3 Georgian_Imer+Iranian+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 2.42944
4 Iranian_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+Kandahari_Afghan_Pasht un+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 2.588668
5 Iranian+Iraqi_Jewish+Kurdish+Pathan @ 2.673148
6 Abkhasian+Iranian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish+Pathan @ 2.685513
7 Georgian_Laz+Iranian+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 2.708542
8 Iranian+Iranian+Iranian_Jewish+Kandahari_Afghan_Pa shtun @ 2.72484
9 Georgian_Imer+Iranian+Iranian_Jewish+Pathan @ 2.731827
10 Iranian+Iranian_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 2.738626
11 Iranian+Iranian+Iraqi_Jewish+Kandahari_Afghan_Pash tun @ 2.73936
12 Armenian+Iranian+Iranian_Jewish+Pathan @ 2.751689
13 Burusho+Georgian_Imer+Iranian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewis h @ 2.772777
14 Georgian_Jewish+Iranian+Iranian_Jewish+Pathan @ 2.778361
15 Georgian_Imer+Iraqi_Jewish+Kurdish+Pathan @ 2.783097
16 Georgian_Laz+Iranian+Iranian_Jewish+Pathan @ 2.789159
17 Iranian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish+Kurdish+Pathan @ 2.79597
18 Iraqi_Jewish+Kurdish+Kurdish+Pathan @ 2.806799
19 Georgian_Imer+Iranian_Jewish+Kurdish+Pathan @ 2.841563
20 Abkhasian+Burusho+Iranian_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish @ 2.8827
21 Armenian+Iranian+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 2.887804
22 Iranian+Iranian_Jewish+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Ku rdish @ 2.898465
23 Iranian+Iranian+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 2.910152
24 Burusho+Georgian_Imer+Iranian_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish @ 2.935845
25 Abkhasian+Iranian+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 2.942577
26 Burusho+Iranian_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+Kurdish @ 2.95211
27 Burusho+Iranian+Iranian_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish @ 2.9538
28 Burusho+Iranian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish+Kurdish @ 2.957346
29 Abkhasian+Burusho+Iraqi_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish @ 2.979428
30 Afghan_Pashtun+Iraqi_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+Kandahari _Afghan_Pashtun @ 2.98302
31 Abkhasian+Iraqi_Jewish+Kurdish+Pathan @ 3.008259
32 Burusho+Iranian+Iraqi_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish @ 3.016009
33 Abkhasian+Iranian+Iranian_Jewish+Kandahari_Afghan_ Pashtun @ 3.024689
34 Iranian_Jewish+Kurdish+Kurdish+Pathan @ 3.028004
35 Georgian_Jewish+Iranian+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 3.030636
36 Iraqi_Jewish+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Pathan+Samar itan @ 3.035459
37 Abkhasian+Georgian_Imer+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 3.038978
38 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Iranian_Jewish+Pathan @ 3.042828
39 Georgian_Laz+Iranian_Jewish+Kurdish+Pathan @ 3.049953
40 Abkhasian+Iranian_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 3.051253
41 Georgian_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+Kandahari_Afghan_Pash tun+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 3.053765
42 Abkhasian+Burusho+Iranian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish @ 3.062204
43 Georgian_Imer+Iranian+Iranian_Jewish+Kandahari_Afg han_Pashtun @ 3.068433
44 Afghan_Pashtun+Georgian_Imer+Iranian+Iranian_Jewis h @ 3.069451
45 Abkhasian+Iranian+Iraqi_Jewish+Kandahari_Afghan_Pa shtun @ 3.06981
46 Azeri+Iranian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish+Pathan @ 3.07997
47 Afghan_Pashtun+Iranian+Iranian+Iraqi_Jewish @ 3.083318
48 Afghan_Pashtun+Georgian_Imer+Iranian+Iraqi_Jewish @ 3.084625
49 Abkhasian+Georgian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish+Pathan @ 3.094712
50 Georgian_Imer+Iranian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish+Pathan @ 3.097632
51 Iranian+Iranian_Jewish+Kurdish+Pathan @ 3.109382
52 Burusho+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewi sh @ 3.109855
53 Iranian+Iraqi_Jewish+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Kurd ish @ 3.116454
54 Burusho+Georgian_Laz+Iranian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish @ 3.120929
55 Azeri+Georgian_Imer+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 3.133614
56 Armenian+Iranian_Jewish+Kurdish+Pathan @ 3.139307
57 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 3.145121
58 Iranian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish+Kandahari_Afghan_Pas htun+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 3.146291
59 Afghan_Pashtun+Iranian+Iraqi_Jewish+Kurdish @ 3.15232
60 Burusho+Iranian+Iranian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish @ 3.160335
61 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Laz+Iranian_Jewish+Pathan @ 3.160573
62 Iraqi_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun +Pathan @ 3.167156
63 Abkhasian+Armenian+Iranian_Jewish+Pathan @ 3.174501
64 Georgian_Laz+Iraqi_Jewish+Kurdish+Pathan @ 3.176611
65 Georgian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish+Kurdish+Pathan @ 3.177679
66 Armenian+Burusho+Georgian_Imer+Iraqi_Jewish @ 3.181343
67 Burusho+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish @ 3.188267
68 Burusho+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Laz+Iraqi_Jewish @ 3.18843
69 Burusho+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Iraqi_Jewish @ 3.18958
70 Georgian_Jewish+Iranian+Iranian+Kandahari_Afghan_P ashtun @ 3.189802
71 Burusho+Iraqi_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+Kurdish @ 3.212192
72 Armenian+Burusho+Georgian_Imer+Iranian_Jewish @ 3.213244
73 Abkhasian+Georgian_Laz+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 3.216783
74 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Jewish+Iranian+Pathan @ 3.219128
75 Abkhasian+Afghan_Pashtun+Iranian+Iraqi_Jewish @ 3.235035
76 Abkhasian+Georgian_Laz+Iranian_Jewish+Pathan @ 3.255034
77 Abkhasian+Georgian_Imer+Iranian_Jewish+Pathan @ 3.255831
78 Armenian+Georgian_Imer+Iranian_Jewish+Pathan @ 3.2746
79 Georgian_Jewish+Georgian_Jewish+Iranian+Pathan @ 3.280372
80 Afghan_Pashtun+Iranian+Iranian_Jewish+Kurdish @ 3.287183
81 Armenian+Georgian_Jewish+Iranian+Pathan @ 3.290506
82 Burusho+Georgian_Imer+Iraqi_Jewish+Kurdish @ 3.295867
83 Abkhasian+Burusho+Georgian_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish @ 3.297341
84 Armenian+Iranian+Iranian+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 3.304165
85 Iranian_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+Ossetian+Pathan @ 3.30689
86 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish+Patha n @ 3.308164
87 Armenian+Iraqi_Jewish+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Kan dahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 3.308384
88 Afghan_Pashtun+Iranian+Iranian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewi sh @ 3.308835
89 Iranian_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+Kurdish+Pathan @ 3.309351
90 Iranian_Jewish+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Pathan+Sam aritan @ 3.310828
91 Iranian+Iraqi_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 3.322159
92 Abkhasian+Armenian+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 3.32276
93 Burusho+Georgian_Jewish+Iranian+Iraqi_Jewish @ 3.323236
94 Armenian+Burusho+Iranian+Iraqi_Jewish @ 3.327647
95 Armenian+Burusho+Iraqi_Jewish+Kurdish @ 3.33569
96 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Jewish+Kurdish+Pathan @ 3.336592
97 Georgian_Jewish+Georgian_Laz+Iranian+Pathan @ 3.341187
98 Burusho+Georgian_Imer+Iraqi_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish @ 3.344285
99 Burusho+Georgian_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+Kurdish @ 3.345502
100 Azeri+Iranian_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 3.348573
743251 iterations.


Gaussian method.
Noise dispersion set to 0.676116

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Iranian @ 5.162843
2 Kurdish @ 5.236973
3 Abkhasian @ 5.551655
4 Georgian_Imer @ 6.281424
5 Azeri @ 6.807313
6 Georgian_Laz @ 7.216231
7 Ossetian @ 7.264582
8 Iranian_Jewish @ 7.297448
9 Armenian @ 7.745843
10 Georgian_Jewish @ 7.797968
11 Chechen @ 7.933834
12 Lezgin @ 7.97648
13 Adygei @ 7.984489
14 Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 8.044729
15 North_Ossetian @ 8.16111
16 Balkar @ 8.210625
17 Tabassaran @ 8.561176
18 Kumyk @ 8.588145
19 Turkish @ 8.791963
20 Kabardin @ 8.821215
21 Iraqi_Jewish @ 8.936718
22 Afghan_Pashtun @ 9.842233
23 Pathan @ 10.369583
24 Syrian @ 11.086374
25 Lebanese_Muslim @ 11.361098
26 Tadjik @ 11.674216
27 Afghan_Uzbeki @ 11.736948
28 Druze @ 11.944212
29 Turkmen @ 12.247659
30 Afghan_Tadjik @ 12.261178
31 Haryana_Jatt @ 12.773555
32 Burusho @ 12.97518
33 Jordanian @ 14.123119
34 Central_Greek @ 14.338009
35 Cyprian @ 14.772256
36 South_Italian @ 14.906352
37 Ashkenazi @ 14.938471
38 Lebanese_Christian @ 14.970915
39 East_Sicilian @ 15.112275
40 Greek_Thessaly @ 15.152662
41 West_Sicilian @ 15.278501
42 Bulgarian @ 15.423649
43 Kosovar @ 15.46633
44 Afghan_Turkmen @ 16.059885
45 Sephardic_Jewish @ 16.18535
46 Bosnian @ 16.208945
47 Macedonian @ 16.209602
48 Central_Sicilian @ 16.378432
49 Palestinian @ 16.584516
50 Serbian_Bosnia @ 16.68677
166 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Iraqi_Jewish+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.698465
2 Iranian_Jewish+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.781003
3 Abkhasian+Iranian @ 4.880227
4 Georgian_Imer+Iranian @ 4.919923
5 Iranian+Kurdish @ 5.051156
6 Georgian_Imer+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 5.087637
7 Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 5.103012
8 Iranian+Iranian @ 5.162843
9 Armenian+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 5.179613
10 Kurdish+Kurdish @ 5.236973
11 Abkhasian+Kurdish @ 5.254283
12 Georgian_Jewish+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 5.282442
13 Georgian_Laz+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 5.313133
14 Iranian_Jewish+Pathan @ 5.403489
15 Georgian_Laz+Iranian @ 5.418639
16 Georgian_Imer+Kurdish @ 5.497556
17 Afghan_Pashtun+Iraqi_Jewish @ 5.52873
18 Iranian+Iranian_Jewish @ 5.543235
19 Abkhasian+Abkhasian @ 5.551655
20 Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Kurdish @ 5.618044
21 Abkhasian+Iranian_Jewish @ 5.674182
22 Abkhasian+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 5.687808
23 Armenian+Iranian @ 5.6912
24 Afghan_Pashtun+Iranian_Jewish @ 5.708589
25 Abkhasian+Georgian_Imer @ 5.797871
26 Armenian+Pathan @ 5.827995
27 Georgian_Jewish+Pathan @ 5.830653
28 Iranian_Jewish+Kurdish @ 5.854904
29 Georgian_Jewish+Iranian @ 5.87912
30 Georgian_Imer+Pathan @ 5.889267
31 Georgian_Laz+Kurdish @ 5.952749
32 Iranian+Iraqi_Jewish @ 5.963497
33 Iranian+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 5.970189
34 Iranian+Ossetian @ 5.982169
35 Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Lebanese_Christian @ 6.005478
36 Georgian_Laz+Pathan @ 6.008952
37 Iranian_Jewish+Lezgin @ 6.031116
38 Pathan+Samaritan @ 6.039007
39 Iranian_Jewish+Ossetian @ 6.056023
40 Afghan_Pashtun+Armenian @ 6.060159
41 Afghan_Pashtun+Georgian_Imer @ 6.071836
42 Druze+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 6.074908
43 Afghan_Pashtun+Georgian_Jewish @ 6.075047
44 Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Samaritan @ 6.077481
45 Abkhasian+Georgian_Jewish @ 6.099788
46 Iranian_Jewish+Tabassaran @ 6.117127
47 Abkhasian+Azeri @ 6.118215
48 Chechen+Iranian_Jewish @ 6.120088
49 Azeri+Iranian @ 6.121238
50 Kurdish+Ossetian @ 6.148748
13861 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Iraqi_Jewish +25% Pathan @ 4.268886
2 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Iranian_Jewish +25% Pathan @ 4.283919
3 50% Iranian_Jewish +25% Georgian_Imer +25% Pathan @ 4.326656
4 50% Iraqi_Jewish +25% Georgian_Imer +25% Pathan @ 4.40897
5 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Georgian_Imer +25% Pathan @ 4.423915
6 50% Iranian_Jewish +25% Abkhasian +25% Pathan @ 4.487689
7 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Iranian_Jewish +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.497923
8 50% Iraqi_Jewish +25% Abkhasian +25% Pathan @ 4.51305
9 50% Iranian_Jewish +25% Iranian_Jewish +25% Pathan @ 4.53072
10 50% Iranian_Jewish +25% Kurdish +25% Pathan @ 4.559944
11 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Georgian_Imer +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.577302
12 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Georgian_Jewish +25% Pathan @ 4.58614
13 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Iraqi_Jewish +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.588418
14 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Armenian +25% Pathan @ 4.589227
15 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Iranian +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.589967
16 50% Iraqi_Jewish +25% Kurdish +25% Pathan @ 4.597413
17 50% Iranian_Jewish +25% Iraqi_Jewish +25% Pathan @ 4.606122
18 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Kurdish +25% Pathan @ 4.606741
19 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Georgian_Laz +25% Pathan @ 4.616868
20 50% Iranian_Jewish +25% Georgian_Laz +25% Pathan @ 4.619369
21 50% Iranian_Jewish +25% Georgian_Imer +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.622193
22 50% Iraqi_Jewish +25% Iranian +25% Pathan @ 4.624074
23 50% Iranian_Jewish +25% Iranian +25% Pathan @ 4.639138
24 50% Abkhasian +25% Iraqi_Jewish +25% Pathan @ 4.644642
25 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun +25% Kurdish @ 4.652064
26 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Iranian +25% Pathan @ 4.657864
27 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Abkhasian +25% Pathan @ 4.658029
28 50% Iranian_Jewish +25% Abkhasian +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.660354
29 50% Abkhasian +25% Iranian_Jewish +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.692692
30 50% Kurdish +25% Iraqi_Jewish +25% Pathan @ 4.693949
31 50% Iranian_Jewish +25% Armenian +25% Pathan @ 4.694867
32 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Abkhasian +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.696063
33 50% Iraqi_Jewish +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.698465
34 50% Abkhasian +25% Iranian_Jewish +25% Pathan @ 4.704562
35 50% Iraqi_Jewish +25% Iranian_Jewish +25% Pathan @ 4.708119
36 50% Abkhasian +25% Iraqi_Jewish +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.724727
37 50% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun +25% Iranian_Jewish +25% Iraqi_Jewish @ 4.730039
38 50% Iranian_Jewish +25% Iranian +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.741849
39 50% Kurdish +25% Iranian_Jewish +25% Pathan @ 4.746223
40 50% Iraqi_Jewish +25% Georgian_Laz +25% Pathan @ 4.748793
41 50% Iranian_Jewish +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun +25% Kurdish @ 4.752134
42 50% Georgian_Laz +25% Iranian_Jewish +25% Pathan @ 4.754599
43 50% Kurdish +25% Iranian_Jewish +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.775689
44 50% Iranian_Jewish +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.781003
45 50% Iranian_Jewish +25% Georgian_Jewish +25% Pathan @ 4.784281
46 50% Armenian +25% Georgian_Imer +25% Pathan @ 4.784779
47 50% Georgian_Laz +25% Iraqi_Jewish +25% Pathan @ 4.787448
48 50% Kurdish +25% Georgian_Imer +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.790534
49 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Georgian_Laz +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.791096
50 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Armenian +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.793025
1925848 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.268886
2 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Iranian_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.283919
3 Georgian_Imer+Iranian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.326656
4 Georgian_Imer+Iranian_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.354092
5 Georgian_Imer+Iraqi_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.40897
6 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Pathan @ 4.423915
7 Abkhasian+Georgian_Imer+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.450042
8 Georgian_Imer+Iraqi_Jewish+Kurdish+Pathan @ 4.465345
9 Abkhasian+Iranian_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.487539
10 Abkhasian+Iranian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.487689
11 Abkhasian+Georgian_Imer+Iranian_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.489092
12 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Iranian_Jewish+Kandaha ri_Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.497923
13 Georgian_Imer+Iranian_Jewish+Kurdish+Pathan @ 4.502132
14 Abkhasian+Iraqi_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.51305
15 Georgian_Imer+Iranian+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.522103
16 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Laz+Iranian_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.528729
17 Iranian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish+Patha n @ 4.53072
18 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Laz+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.539388
19 Armenian+Georgian_Imer+Iranian_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.551781
20 Iranian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish+Kurdish+Pathan @ 4.559944
21 Iranian_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+Kurdish+Pathan @ 4.566209
22 Armenian+Georgian_Imer+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.573676
23 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Kandahar i_Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.577302
24 Abkhasian+Georgian_Imer+Iranian_Jewish+Kandahari_A fghan_Pashtun @ 4.581125
25 Georgian_Imer+Iranian+Iranian_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.585662
26 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.58614
27 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Iraqi_Jewish+Kandahari _Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.588418
28 Armenian+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Pathan @ 4.589227
29 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Iranian+Kandahari_Afgh an_Pashtun @ 4.589967
30 Iraqi_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+Kurdish+Pathan @ 4.597413
31 Georgian_Imer+Iranian+Iranian_Jewish+Kandahari_Afg han_Pashtun @ 4.597677
32 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish+Patha n @ 4.604382
33 Iranian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.606122
34 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Kurdish+Pathan @ 4.606741
35 Georgian_Imer+Iranian_Jewish+Kandahari_Afghan_Pash tun+Kurdish @ 4.610955
36 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Laz+Pathan @ 4.616868
37 Georgian_Laz+Iranian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.619369
38 Georgian_Imer+Iranian+Iraqi_Jewish+Kandahari_Afgha n_Pashtun @ 4.619663
39 Iranian+Iranian_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.620034
40 Georgian_Imer+Iranian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish+Kandah ari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.622193
41 Iranian+Iraqi_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.624074
42 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.6335
43 Iranian+Iranian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.639138
44 Abkhasian+Georgian_Imer+Iraqi_Jewish+Kandahari_Afg han_Pashtun @ 4.641162
45 Abkhasian+Abkhasian+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.644642
46 Abkhasian+Iraqi_Jewish+Kurdish+Pathan @ 4.647782
47 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Kandahari_Afghan_Pasht un+Kurdish @ 4.652064
48 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Iranian+Pathan @ 4.657864
49 Abkhasian+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Pathan @ 4.658029
50 Abkhasian+Iranian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish+Kandahari_ Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.660354
51 Georgian_Imer+Iraqi_Jewish+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtu n+Kurdish @ 4.667555
52 Abkhasian+Georgian_Laz+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.67085
53 Georgian_Laz+Iranian_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.670925
54 Abkhasian+Armenian+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.681589
55 Abkhasian+Georgian_Laz+Iranian_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.686052
56 Abkhasian+Armenian+Iranian_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.687093
57 Georgian_Laz+Iraqi_Jewish+Kurdish+Pathan @ 4.692203
58 Abkhasian+Abkhasian+Iranian_Jewish+Kandahari_Afgha n_Pashtun @ 4.692692
59 Iraqi_Jewish+Kurdish+Kurdish+Pathan @ 4.693949
60 Armenian+Iranian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.694867
61 Abkhasian+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Kandahari_Af ghan_Pashtun @ 4.696063
62 Iraqi_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun +Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.698465
63 Abkhasian+Abkhasian+Iranian_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.704562
64 Georgian_Laz+Iranian_Jewish+Kurdish+Pathan @ 4.705931
65 Abkhasian+Iranian_Jewish+Kurdish+Pathan @ 4.706395
66 Iranian_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.708119
67 Abkhasian+Iranian_Jewish+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+ Kurdish @ 4.713556
68 Abkhasian+Abkhasian+Iraqi_Jewish+Kandahari_Afghan_ Pashtun @ 4.724727
69 Iranian_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+Kandahari_Afghan_Pasht un+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.730039
70 Abkhasian+Georgian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.734789
71 Abkhasian+Georgian_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.736647
72 Armenian+Iraqi_Jewish+Kurdish+Pathan @ 4.73865
73 Armenian+Iranian_Jewish+Kurdish+Pathan @ 4.739082
74 Abkhasian+Iranian+Iraqi_Jewish+Kandahari_Afghan_Pa shtun @ 4.741409
75 Abkhasian+Iraqi_Jewish+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Ku rdish @ 4.741591
76 Abkhasian+Iranian+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.741828
77 Iranian+Iranian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish+Kandahari_Af ghan_Pashtun @ 4.741849
78 Abkhasian+Iranian+Iranian_Jewish+Kandahari_Afghan_ Pashtun @ 4.745032
79 Iranian_Jewish+Kurdish+Kurdish+Pathan @ 4.746223
80 Georgian_Imer+Iranian_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+Kandahar i_Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.748234
81 Georgian_Laz+Iraqi_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.748793
82 Armenian+Georgian_Imer+Kurdish+Pathan @ 4.750993
83 Georgian_Laz+Iranian+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.751409
84 Iranian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish+Kandahari_Afghan_Pas htun+Kurdish @ 4.752134
85 Georgian_Laz+Georgian_Laz+Iranian_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.754599
86 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Jewish+Kurdish+Pathan @ 4.75523
87 Abkhasian+Iranian_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+Kandahari_Af ghan_Pashtun @ 4.755275
88 Abkhasian+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.75787
89 Armenian+Iranian_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.759771
90 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Laz+Iranian_Jewish+Kandahar i_Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.761101
91 Abkhasian+Armenian+Georgian_Imer+Pathan @ 4.762704
92 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Laz+Kurdish+Pathan @ 4.763347
93 Abkhasian+Georgian_Imer+Iranian+Kandahari_Afghan_P ashtun @ 4.774058
94 Armenian+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Laz+Pathan @ 4.774865
95 Iranian_Jewish+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Kurdish+Ku rdish @ 4.775689
96 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Laz+Iranian+Kandahari_Afgha n_Pashtun @ 4.77736
97 Iranian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish+Kandahari_Afghan_Pas htun+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.781003
98 Armenian+Georgian_Laz+Iranian_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.784193
99 Georgian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish+Path an @ 4.784281
100 Armenian+Armenian+Georgian_Imer+Pathan @ 4.784779
19317396 iterations.

It's rather interesting how you can be modeled as 75% West Asian (Jewish or south Caucasian)+25% FATA Pashtun, or 50% West Asian (Jewish or south Caucasian)+50% western Afghan Pashtun.

My new top "4 populations approximation" is fairly reasonable:

Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+ Pathan+Burusho @ 2.153156

Sein
01-16-2015, 06:33 AM
Results for HRP0393 Haryana Jatt:

http://imgur.com/a/AVc2E

ANE 31.6424%
South_Eurasian 15.1968%
Near_Eastern 39.0317%
East_Eurasian 1.2845%
WHG 7.4128%
Oceanian 2.4686%
Pygmy 0%
Sub-Saharan 2.9622%

Lower bound NE:

ANE 31.6409%
South_Eurasian 15.1622%
Near_Eastern 38.5593%
East_Eurasian 1.2483%
WHG 8.0548%
Oceanian 2.4448%
Pygmy 0%
Sub-Saharan 2.8887%

Old Gedmatch K7:

ANE 29.93%
ASE 14.95%
WHG 13.06%
East Eurasian 3.24%
East African 3.03%
ENF 35.74%

That's a lot of WHG admixture for a non-European. This individual is within range of Tajikistani Tajiks, and is very close to northeast Caucasians, when it comes to this component. I'm guessing South Asian WHG must be linked to Indo-Scythians (assuming there is a connection between Jatts and Scythians)?

Humanist
01-16-2015, 06:45 AM
I updated the dendrogram, Humanist is now part of the Assyrian average.

Interesting how the Abkhazians and Georgians are split in your dendrogram:

http://i1096.photobucket.com/albums/g326/dok101/dok101031/K8_part.jpg

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTKKuPE0yBng0NlltFLnBq1oMOJHYtY-wLOcr7n7hV40jcqiQ_Ukw

DMXX
01-16-2015, 06:49 AM
Interesting how the Abkhazians and Georgians are split in your dendrogram:

http://i1096.photobucket.com/albums/g326/dok101/dok101031/K8_part.jpg

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTKKuPE0yBng0NlltFLnBq1oMOJHYtY-wLOcr7n7hV40jcqiQ_Ukw

Without looking at the values I'd suspect the Abkhazians have more ANE than Georgians (+Laz) and Armenians, hence their inclusion in the Iranian-Kurdish cluster?

ZephyrousMandaru
01-16-2015, 07:17 AM
Abkhazians have slightly higher ANE admixture than Georgians do.

ANE admixture for Caucasians.


Abkhazians

22.12758571

Georgian_Imer

20.76198

Georgian_Laz

17.80312


In addition to this, Georgians also score a few percent more Near Eastern, which is why they cluster a little closer to Mesopotamian populations than Abkhazians do.

ZephyrousMandaru
01-16-2015, 07:32 AM
For the fun of it, is it possible to include me on this plot? I'd appreciate this. Thanks in advance.

Here you go.

http://oi61.tinypic.com/abjkb6.jpg

Sein
01-16-2015, 07:47 AM
Here you go.

http://oi61.tinypic.com/abjkb6.jpg

Thanks!

I should have expected that, the northern Caucasians are the most similar populations to myself in this context.

The Barnacle
01-16-2015, 10:59 AM
Durrani from Kandahar (Popalzai + Alakozai)

David:



ANE 29.9865%
South_Eurasian 11.6148%
Near_Eastern 52.4395%
East_Eurasian 2.2923%
WHG 1.3676%
Oceanian 0.06219%
Pygmy 0%
Sub-Saharan 1.6764%



Lower bound NE

ANE 29.9877%
South_Eurasian 11.5393%
Near_Eastern 52.4249%
East_Eurasian 2.2223%
WHG 1.6879%
Oceanian 0.5762%
Pygmy 0%
Sub-Saharan 1.5607%


3391
3392

Thanks for this bro, looks like I was right about afghan Pashtuns ckuster point. Is it alright if you could share his Harappa results or any admixture results please? Would be interesting how he lines up with other afghan Pashtuns. Thanks

Kurd
01-16-2015, 02:50 PM
I think your results are quite interesting. I added the Kandahari Pashtun, and the Haryana Jatt:

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Iranian @ 3.700605
2 Abkhasian @ 5.974923
3 Kurdish @ 6.233466
4 Azeri @ 6.953237
5 Georgian_Imer @ 8.682327
6 Ossetian @ 9.579396
7 Georgian_Laz @ 10.67875
8 Turkish @ 12.023209
9 Adygei @ 12.269209
10 North_Ossetian @ 12.624598
11 Armenian @ 12.902126
12 Balkar @ 13.057675
13 Georgian_Jewish @ 14.080243
14 Iranian_Jewish @ 14.415249
15 Kumyk @ 14.642741
16 Chechen @ 14.831484
17 Kabardin @ 14.949494
18 Lezgin @ 15.781452
19 Syrian @ 16.889289
20 Lebanese_Muslim @ 16.964446
21 Iraqi_Jewish @ 17.931567
22 Tabassaran @ 18.429422
23 Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 18.575397
24 Druze @ 19.418563
25 Jordanian @ 20.170303
26 Cyprian @ 21.337722
27 Palestinian @ 21.814252
28 Lebanese_Christian @ 22.42324
29 Sephardic_Jewish @ 22.619056
30 Afghan_Pashtun @ 23.68159
31 Ashkenazi @ 23.78802
32 South_Italian @ 25.075382
33 Bedouin @ 25.824443
34 Central_Sicilian @ 26.35919
35 East_Sicilian @ 26.487025
36 Saudi @ 26.743389
37 Samaritan @ 26.814724
38 Egyptian @ 27.056394
39 West_Sicilian @ 27.237769
40 Pathan @ 27.357743
41 Italian_Abruzzo @ 27.856515
42 Central_Greek @ 28.116798
43 Tadjik @ 28.138602
44 Afghan_Uzbeki @ 28.741903
45 Greek @ 29.384464
46 Turkmen @ 30.223588
47 Afghan_Tadjik @ 30.70056
48 Yemenite_Jewish @ 30.811704
49 Greek_Thessaly @ 32.043511
50 Tunisian @ 32.465877
166 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Iraqi_Jewish+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 2.266587
2 Iranian_Jewish+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 3.146291
3 Iranian+Iranian @ 3.700605
4 Afghan_Pashtun+Iraqi_Jewish @ 4.063897
5 Georgian_Jewish+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.11602
6 Pathan+Samaritan @ 4.224947
7 Abkhasian+Iranian @ 4.415925
8 Iranian+Kurdish @ 4.707862
9 Armenian+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.746064
10 Azeri+Iranian @ 5.055412
11 Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Lebanese_Christian @ 5.102295
12 Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 5.106843
13 Druze+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 5.167968
14 Afghan_Pashtun+Samaritan @ 5.471385
15 Afghan_Pashtun+Iranian_Jewish @ 5.476819
16 Georgian_Imer+Iranian @ 5.605874
17 Abkhasian+Azeri @ 5.717903
18 Iranian+Ossetian @ 5.742854
19 Lebanese_Christian+Pathan @ 5.767815
20 Pathan+Saudi @ 5.771251
21 Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Samaritan @ 5.794828
22 Georgian_Laz+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 5.801436
23 Abkhasian+Kurdish @ 5.901388
24 Abkhasian+Abkhasian @ 5.974923
25 Azeri+Kurdish @ 5.985598
26 Afghan_Pashtun+Lebanese_Christian @ 6.073105
27 Georgian_Imer+Ossetian @ 6.076208
28 Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Lebanese_Muslim @ 6.139059
29 Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Syrian @ 6.142445
30 Pathan+Yemenite_Jewish @ 6.152603
31 Kurdish+Ossetian @ 6.173889
32 Kurdish+Kurdish @ 6.233466
33 Afghan_Pashtun+Saudi @ 6.429481
34 Afghan_Pashtun+Georgian_Jewish @ 6.455475
35 Azeri+Georgian_Imer @ 6.459481
36 Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Saudi @ 6.501317
37 Abkhasian+Ossetian @ 6.58415
38 Georgian_Laz+Iranian @ 6.745639
39 Georgian_Imer+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 6.762689
40 Iranian_Jewish+Pathan @ 6.795326
41 Afghan_Pashtun+Druze @ 6.837247
42 Georgian_Laz+Ossetian @ 6.902462
43 Iranian_Jewish+Ossetian @ 6.935485
44 Azeri+Azeri @ 6.953237
45 Georgian_Imer+North_Ossetian @ 7.002503
46 Iranian_Jewish+Lezgin @ 7.018739
47 Abkhasian+Georgian_Imer @ 7.057299
48 Iranian_Jewish+North_Ossetian @ 7.071053
49 Afghan_Pashtun+Armenian @ 7.07132
50 Druze+Pathan @ 7.071459
13861 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Iraqi_Jewish +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 2.266587
2 50% Iranian_Jewish +25% Iranian +25% Pathan @ 2.365917
3 50% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun +25% Iranian_Jewish +25% Iraqi_Jewish @ 2.588668
4 50% Iranian_Jewish +25% Abkhasian +25% Pathan @ 2.685513
5 50% Iranian +25% Iranian_Jewish +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 2.72484
6 50% Iranian +25% Iraqi_Jewish +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 2.73936
7 50% Iranian_Jewish +25% Burusho +25% Georgian_Imer @ 2.772777
8 50% Iranian_Jewish +25% Kurdish +25% Pathan @ 2.79597
9 50% Kurdish +25% Iraqi_Jewish +25% Pathan @ 2.806799
10 50% Iranian +25% Iraqi_Jewish +25% Pathan @ 2.910152
11 50% Iranian_Jewish +25% Burusho +25% Kurdish @ 2.957346
12 50% Iraqi_Jewish +25% Abkhasian +25% Burusho @ 2.979428
13 50% Iraqi_Jewish +25% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 2.98302
14 50% Iraqi_Jewish +25% Burusho +25% Iranian @ 3.016009
15 50% Kurdish +25% Iranian_Jewish +25% Pathan @ 3.028004
16 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Iranian_Jewish +25% Pathan @ 3.042828
17 50% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun +25% Georgian_Jewish +25% Iraqi_Jewish @ 3.053765
18 50% Iranian_Jewish +25% Abkhasian +25% Burusho @ 3.062204
19 50% Iranian_Jewish +25% Azeri +25% Pathan @ 3.07997
20 50% Iranian +25% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Iraqi_Jewish @ 3.083318
21 50% Iranian_Jewish +25% Georgian_Imer +25% Pathan @ 3.097632
22 50% Iranian_Jewish +25% Burusho +25% Georgian_Laz @ 3.120929
23 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Iraqi_Jewish +25% Pathan @ 3.145121
24 50% Iranian_Jewish +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 3.146291
25 50% Iranian_Jewish +25% Burusho +25% Iranian @ 3.160335
26 50% Iraqi_Jewish +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun +25% Pathan @ 3.167156
27 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Burusho +25% Iraqi_Jewish @ 3.18958
28 50% Iranian +25% Georgian_Jewish +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 3.189802
29 50% Iraqi_Jewish +25% Burusho +25% Kurdish @ 3.212192
30 50% Georgian_Jewish +25% Iranian +25% Pathan @ 3.280372
31 50% Iranian +25% Armenian +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 3.304165
32 50% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun +25% Armenian +25% Iraqi_Jewish @ 3.308384
33 50% Iranian_Jewish +25% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Iranian @ 3.308835
34 50% Iraqi_Jewish +25% Iranian +25% Pathan @ 3.322159
35 50% Iraqi_Jewish +25% Burusho +25% Georgian_Imer @ 3.344285
36 50% Iraqi_Jewish +25% Ossetian +25% Pathan @ 3.370763
37 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Georgian_Jewish +25% Pathan @ 3.374256
38 50% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun +25% Iranian_Jewish +25% Samaritan @ 3.376754
39 50% Armenian +25% Iranian +25% Pathan @ 3.378435
40 50% Kurdish +25% Iranian_Jewish +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 3.381288
41 50% Abkhasian +25% Iraqi_Jewish +25% Pathan @ 3.383324
42 50% Iranian_Jewish +25% Armenian +25% Burusho @ 3.396778
43 50% Iranian +25% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Iranian_Jewish @ 3.406927
44 50% Iranian_Jewish +25% Burusho +25% Iranian_Jewish @ 3.42642
45 50% Georgian_Laz +25% Burusho +25% Iraqi_Jewish @ 3.457641
46 50% Kurdish +25% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Iranian_Jewish @ 3.472702
47 50% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun +25% Georgian_Imer +25% Samaritan @ 3.479304
48 50% Iranian_Jewish +25% Ossetian +25% Pathan @ 3.484705
49 50% Iranian +25% Iranian_Jewish +25% Pathan @ 3.496193
50 50% Georgian_Laz +25% Burusho +25% Iranian_Jewish @ 3.500372
669857 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Iraqi_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun +Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 2.266587
2 Iranian+Iranian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish+Pathan @ 2.365917
3 Georgian_Imer+Iranian+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 2.42944
4 Iranian_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+Kandahari_Afghan_Pasht un+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 2.588668
5 Iranian+Iraqi_Jewish+Kurdish+Pathan @ 2.673148
6 Abkhasian+Iranian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish+Pathan @ 2.685513
7 Georgian_Laz+Iranian+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 2.708542
8 Iranian+Iranian+Iranian_Jewish+Kandahari_Afghan_Pa shtun @ 2.72484
9 Georgian_Imer+Iranian+Iranian_Jewish+Pathan @ 2.731827
10 Iranian+Iranian_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 2.738626
11 Iranian+Iranian+Iraqi_Jewish+Kandahari_Afghan_Pash tun @ 2.73936
12 Armenian+Iranian+Iranian_Jewish+Pathan @ 2.751689
13 Burusho+Georgian_Imer+Iranian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewis h @ 2.772777
14 Georgian_Jewish+Iranian+Iranian_Jewish+Pathan @ 2.778361
15 Georgian_Imer+Iraqi_Jewish+Kurdish+Pathan @ 2.783097
16 Georgian_Laz+Iranian+Iranian_Jewish+Pathan @ 2.789159
17 Iranian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish+Kurdish+Pathan @ 2.79597
18 Iraqi_Jewish+Kurdish+Kurdish+Pathan @ 2.806799
19 Georgian_Imer+Iranian_Jewish+Kurdish+Pathan @ 2.841563
20 Abkhasian+Burusho+Iranian_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish @ 2.8827
21 Armenian+Iranian+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 2.887804
22 Iranian+Iranian_Jewish+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Ku rdish @ 2.898465
23 Iranian+Iranian+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 2.910152
24 Burusho+Georgian_Imer+Iranian_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish @ 2.935845
25 Abkhasian+Iranian+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 2.942577
26 Burusho+Iranian_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+Kurdish @ 2.95211
27 Burusho+Iranian+Iranian_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish @ 2.9538
28 Burusho+Iranian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish+Kurdish @ 2.957346
29 Abkhasian+Burusho+Iraqi_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish @ 2.979428
30 Afghan_Pashtun+Iraqi_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+Kandahari _Afghan_Pashtun @ 2.98302
31 Abkhasian+Iraqi_Jewish+Kurdish+Pathan @ 3.008259
32 Burusho+Iranian+Iraqi_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish @ 3.016009
33 Abkhasian+Iranian+Iranian_Jewish+Kandahari_Afghan_ Pashtun @ 3.024689
34 Iranian_Jewish+Kurdish+Kurdish+Pathan @ 3.028004
35 Georgian_Jewish+Iranian+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 3.030636
36 Iraqi_Jewish+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Pathan+Samar itan @ 3.035459
37 Abkhasian+Georgian_Imer+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 3.038978
38 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Iranian_Jewish+Pathan @ 3.042828
39 Georgian_Laz+Iranian_Jewish+Kurdish+Pathan @ 3.049953
40 Abkhasian+Iranian_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 3.051253
41 Georgian_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+Kandahari_Afghan_Pash tun+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 3.053765
42 Abkhasian+Burusho+Iranian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish @ 3.062204
43 Georgian_Imer+Iranian+Iranian_Jewish+Kandahari_Afg han_Pashtun @ 3.068433
44 Afghan_Pashtun+Georgian_Imer+Iranian+Iranian_Jewis h @ 3.069451
45 Abkhasian+Iranian+Iraqi_Jewish+Kandahari_Afghan_Pa shtun @ 3.06981
46 Azeri+Iranian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish+Pathan @ 3.07997
47 Afghan_Pashtun+Iranian+Iranian+Iraqi_Jewish @ 3.083318
48 Afghan_Pashtun+Georgian_Imer+Iranian+Iraqi_Jewish @ 3.084625
49 Abkhasian+Georgian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish+Pathan @ 3.094712
50 Georgian_Imer+Iranian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish+Pathan @ 3.097632
51 Iranian+Iranian_Jewish+Kurdish+Pathan @ 3.109382
52 Burusho+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewi sh @ 3.109855
53 Iranian+Iraqi_Jewish+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Kurd ish @ 3.116454
54 Burusho+Georgian_Laz+Iranian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish @ 3.120929
55 Azeri+Georgian_Imer+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 3.133614
56 Armenian+Iranian_Jewish+Kurdish+Pathan @ 3.139307
57 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 3.145121
58 Iranian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish+Kandahari_Afghan_Pas htun+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 3.146291
59 Afghan_Pashtun+Iranian+Iraqi_Jewish+Kurdish @ 3.15232
60 Burusho+Iranian+Iranian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish @ 3.160335
61 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Laz+Iranian_Jewish+Pathan @ 3.160573
62 Iraqi_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun +Pathan @ 3.167156
63 Abkhasian+Armenian+Iranian_Jewish+Pathan @ 3.174501
64 Georgian_Laz+Iraqi_Jewish+Kurdish+Pathan @ 3.176611
65 Georgian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish+Kurdish+Pathan @ 3.177679
66 Armenian+Burusho+Georgian_Imer+Iraqi_Jewish @ 3.181343
67 Burusho+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish @ 3.188267
68 Burusho+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Laz+Iraqi_Jewish @ 3.18843
69 Burusho+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Iraqi_Jewish @ 3.18958
70 Georgian_Jewish+Iranian+Iranian+Kandahari_Afghan_P ashtun @ 3.189802
71 Burusho+Iraqi_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+Kurdish @ 3.212192
72 Armenian+Burusho+Georgian_Imer+Iranian_Jewish @ 3.213244
73 Abkhasian+Georgian_Laz+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 3.216783
74 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Jewish+Iranian+Pathan @ 3.219128
75 Abkhasian+Afghan_Pashtun+Iranian+Iraqi_Jewish @ 3.235035
76 Abkhasian+Georgian_Laz+Iranian_Jewish+Pathan @ 3.255034
77 Abkhasian+Georgian_Imer+Iranian_Jewish+Pathan @ 3.255831
78 Armenian+Georgian_Imer+Iranian_Jewish+Pathan @ 3.2746
79 Georgian_Jewish+Georgian_Jewish+Iranian+Pathan @ 3.280372
80 Afghan_Pashtun+Iranian+Iranian_Jewish+Kurdish @ 3.287183
81 Armenian+Georgian_Jewish+Iranian+Pathan @ 3.290506
82 Burusho+Georgian_Imer+Iraqi_Jewish+Kurdish @ 3.295867
83 Abkhasian+Burusho+Georgian_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish @ 3.297341
84 Armenian+Iranian+Iranian+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 3.304165
85 Iranian_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+Ossetian+Pathan @ 3.30689
86 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish+Patha n @ 3.308164
87 Armenian+Iraqi_Jewish+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Kan dahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 3.308384
88 Afghan_Pashtun+Iranian+Iranian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewi sh @ 3.308835
89 Iranian_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+Kurdish+Pathan @ 3.309351
90 Iranian_Jewish+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Pathan+Sam aritan @ 3.310828
91 Iranian+Iraqi_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 3.322159
92 Abkhasian+Armenian+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 3.32276
93 Burusho+Georgian_Jewish+Iranian+Iraqi_Jewish @ 3.323236
94 Armenian+Burusho+Iranian+Iraqi_Jewish @ 3.327647
95 Armenian+Burusho+Iraqi_Jewish+Kurdish @ 3.33569
96 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Jewish+Kurdish+Pathan @ 3.336592
97 Georgian_Jewish+Georgian_Laz+Iranian+Pathan @ 3.341187
98 Burusho+Georgian_Imer+Iraqi_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish @ 3.344285
99 Burusho+Georgian_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+Kurdish @ 3.345502
100 Azeri+Iranian_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 3.348573
743251 iterations.


Gaussian method.
Noise dispersion set to 0.676116

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Iranian @ 5.162843
2 Kurdish @ 5.236973
3 Abkhasian @ 5.551655
4 Georgian_Imer @ 6.281424
5 Azeri @ 6.807313
6 Georgian_Laz @ 7.216231
7 Ossetian @ 7.264582
8 Iranian_Jewish @ 7.297448
9 Armenian @ 7.745843
10 Georgian_Jewish @ 7.797968
11 Chechen @ 7.933834
12 Lezgin @ 7.97648
13 Adygei @ 7.984489
14 Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 8.044729
15 North_Ossetian @ 8.16111
16 Balkar @ 8.210625
17 Tabassaran @ 8.561176
18 Kumyk @ 8.588145
19 Turkish @ 8.791963
20 Kabardin @ 8.821215
21 Iraqi_Jewish @ 8.936718
22 Afghan_Pashtun @ 9.842233
23 Pathan @ 10.369583
24 Syrian @ 11.086374
25 Lebanese_Muslim @ 11.361098
26 Tadjik @ 11.674216
27 Afghan_Uzbeki @ 11.736948
28 Druze @ 11.944212
29 Turkmen @ 12.247659
30 Afghan_Tadjik @ 12.261178
31 Haryana_Jatt @ 12.773555
32 Burusho @ 12.97518
33 Jordanian @ 14.123119
34 Central_Greek @ 14.338009
35 Cyprian @ 14.772256
36 South_Italian @ 14.906352
37 Ashkenazi @ 14.938471
38 Lebanese_Christian @ 14.970915
39 East_Sicilian @ 15.112275
40 Greek_Thessaly @ 15.152662
41 West_Sicilian @ 15.278501
42 Bulgarian @ 15.423649
43 Kosovar @ 15.46633
44 Afghan_Turkmen @ 16.059885
45 Sephardic_Jewish @ 16.18535
46 Bosnian @ 16.208945
47 Macedonian @ 16.209602
48 Central_Sicilian @ 16.378432
49 Palestinian @ 16.584516
50 Serbian_Bosnia @ 16.68677
166 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Iraqi_Jewish+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.698465
2 Iranian_Jewish+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.781003
3 Abkhasian+Iranian @ 4.880227
4 Georgian_Imer+Iranian @ 4.919923
5 Iranian+Kurdish @ 5.051156
6 Georgian_Imer+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 5.087637
7 Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 5.103012
8 Iranian+Iranian @ 5.162843
9 Armenian+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 5.179613
10 Kurdish+Kurdish @ 5.236973
11 Abkhasian+Kurdish @ 5.254283
12 Georgian_Jewish+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 5.282442
13 Georgian_Laz+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 5.313133
14 Iranian_Jewish+Pathan @ 5.403489
15 Georgian_Laz+Iranian @ 5.418639
16 Georgian_Imer+Kurdish @ 5.497556
17 Afghan_Pashtun+Iraqi_Jewish @ 5.52873
18 Iranian+Iranian_Jewish @ 5.543235
19 Abkhasian+Abkhasian @ 5.551655
20 Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Kurdish @ 5.618044
21 Abkhasian+Iranian_Jewish @ 5.674182
22 Abkhasian+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 5.687808
23 Armenian+Iranian @ 5.6912
24 Afghan_Pashtun+Iranian_Jewish @ 5.708589
25 Abkhasian+Georgian_Imer @ 5.797871
26 Armenian+Pathan @ 5.827995
27 Georgian_Jewish+Pathan @ 5.830653
28 Iranian_Jewish+Kurdish @ 5.854904
29 Georgian_Jewish+Iranian @ 5.87912
30 Georgian_Imer+Pathan @ 5.889267
31 Georgian_Laz+Kurdish @ 5.952749
32 Iranian+Iraqi_Jewish @ 5.963497
33 Iranian+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 5.970189
34 Iranian+Ossetian @ 5.982169
35 Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Lebanese_Christian @ 6.005478
36 Georgian_Laz+Pathan @ 6.008952
37 Iranian_Jewish+Lezgin @ 6.031116
38 Pathan+Samaritan @ 6.039007
39 Iranian_Jewish+Ossetian @ 6.056023
40 Afghan_Pashtun+Armenian @ 6.060159
41 Afghan_Pashtun+Georgian_Imer @ 6.071836
42 Druze+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 6.074908
43 Afghan_Pashtun+Georgian_Jewish @ 6.075047
44 Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Samaritan @ 6.077481
45 Abkhasian+Georgian_Jewish @ 6.099788
46 Iranian_Jewish+Tabassaran @ 6.117127
47 Abkhasian+Azeri @ 6.118215
48 Chechen+Iranian_Jewish @ 6.120088
49 Azeri+Iranian @ 6.121238
50 Kurdish+Ossetian @ 6.148748
13861 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Iraqi_Jewish +25% Pathan @ 4.268886
2 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Iranian_Jewish +25% Pathan @ 4.283919
3 50% Iranian_Jewish +25% Georgian_Imer +25% Pathan @ 4.326656
4 50% Iraqi_Jewish +25% Georgian_Imer +25% Pathan @ 4.40897
5 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Georgian_Imer +25% Pathan @ 4.423915
6 50% Iranian_Jewish +25% Abkhasian +25% Pathan @ 4.487689
7 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Iranian_Jewish +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.497923
8 50% Iraqi_Jewish +25% Abkhasian +25% Pathan @ 4.51305
9 50% Iranian_Jewish +25% Iranian_Jewish +25% Pathan @ 4.53072
10 50% Iranian_Jewish +25% Kurdish +25% Pathan @ 4.559944
11 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Georgian_Imer +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.577302
12 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Georgian_Jewish +25% Pathan @ 4.58614
13 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Iraqi_Jewish +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.588418
14 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Armenian +25% Pathan @ 4.589227
15 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Iranian +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.589967
16 50% Iraqi_Jewish +25% Kurdish +25% Pathan @ 4.597413
17 50% Iranian_Jewish +25% Iraqi_Jewish +25% Pathan @ 4.606122
18 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Kurdish +25% Pathan @ 4.606741
19 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Georgian_Laz +25% Pathan @ 4.616868
20 50% Iranian_Jewish +25% Georgian_Laz +25% Pathan @ 4.619369
21 50% Iranian_Jewish +25% Georgian_Imer +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.622193
22 50% Iraqi_Jewish +25% Iranian +25% Pathan @ 4.624074
23 50% Iranian_Jewish +25% Iranian +25% Pathan @ 4.639138
24 50% Abkhasian +25% Iraqi_Jewish +25% Pathan @ 4.644642
25 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun +25% Kurdish @ 4.652064
26 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Iranian +25% Pathan @ 4.657864
27 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Abkhasian +25% Pathan @ 4.658029
28 50% Iranian_Jewish +25% Abkhasian +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.660354
29 50% Abkhasian +25% Iranian_Jewish +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.692692
30 50% Kurdish +25% Iraqi_Jewish +25% Pathan @ 4.693949
31 50% Iranian_Jewish +25% Armenian +25% Pathan @ 4.694867
32 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Abkhasian +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.696063
33 50% Iraqi_Jewish +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.698465
34 50% Abkhasian +25% Iranian_Jewish +25% Pathan @ 4.704562
35 50% Iraqi_Jewish +25% Iranian_Jewish +25% Pathan @ 4.708119
36 50% Abkhasian +25% Iraqi_Jewish +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.724727
37 50% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun +25% Iranian_Jewish +25% Iraqi_Jewish @ 4.730039
38 50% Iranian_Jewish +25% Iranian +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.741849
39 50% Kurdish +25% Iranian_Jewish +25% Pathan @ 4.746223
40 50% Iraqi_Jewish +25% Georgian_Laz +25% Pathan @ 4.748793
41 50% Iranian_Jewish +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun +25% Kurdish @ 4.752134
42 50% Georgian_Laz +25% Iranian_Jewish +25% Pathan @ 4.754599
43 50% Kurdish +25% Iranian_Jewish +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.775689
44 50% Iranian_Jewish +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.781003
45 50% Iranian_Jewish +25% Georgian_Jewish +25% Pathan @ 4.784281
46 50% Armenian +25% Georgian_Imer +25% Pathan @ 4.784779
47 50% Georgian_Laz +25% Iraqi_Jewish +25% Pathan @ 4.787448
48 50% Kurdish +25% Georgian_Imer +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.790534
49 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Georgian_Laz +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.791096
50 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Armenian +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.793025
1925848 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.268886
2 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Iranian_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.283919
3 Georgian_Imer+Iranian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.326656
4 Georgian_Imer+Iranian_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.354092
5 Georgian_Imer+Iraqi_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.40897
6 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Pathan @ 4.423915
7 Abkhasian+Georgian_Imer+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.450042
8 Georgian_Imer+Iraqi_Jewish+Kurdish+Pathan @ 4.465345
9 Abkhasian+Iranian_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.487539
10 Abkhasian+Iranian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.487689
11 Abkhasian+Georgian_Imer+Iranian_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.489092
12 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Iranian_Jewish+Kandaha ri_Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.497923
13 Georgian_Imer+Iranian_Jewish+Kurdish+Pathan @ 4.502132
14 Abkhasian+Iraqi_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.51305
15 Georgian_Imer+Iranian+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.522103
16 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Laz+Iranian_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.528729
17 Iranian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish+Patha n @ 4.53072
18 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Laz+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.539388
19 Armenian+Georgian_Imer+Iranian_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.551781
20 Iranian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish+Kurdish+Pathan @ 4.559944
21 Iranian_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+Kurdish+Pathan @ 4.566209
22 Armenian+Georgian_Imer+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.573676
23 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Kandahar i_Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.577302
24 Abkhasian+Georgian_Imer+Iranian_Jewish+Kandahari_A fghan_Pashtun @ 4.581125
25 Georgian_Imer+Iranian+Iranian_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.585662
26 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.58614
27 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Iraqi_Jewish+Kandahari _Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.588418
28 Armenian+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Pathan @ 4.589227
29 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Iranian+Kandahari_Afgh an_Pashtun @ 4.589967
30 Iraqi_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+Kurdish+Pathan @ 4.597413
31 Georgian_Imer+Iranian+Iranian_Jewish+Kandahari_Afg han_Pashtun @ 4.597677
32 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish+Patha n @ 4.604382
33 Iranian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.606122
34 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Kurdish+Pathan @ 4.606741
35 Georgian_Imer+Iranian_Jewish+Kandahari_Afghan_Pash tun+Kurdish @ 4.610955
36 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Laz+Pathan @ 4.616868
37 Georgian_Laz+Iranian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.619369
38 Georgian_Imer+Iranian+Iraqi_Jewish+Kandahari_Afgha n_Pashtun @ 4.619663
39 Iranian+Iranian_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.620034
40 Georgian_Imer+Iranian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish+Kandah ari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.622193
41 Iranian+Iraqi_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.624074
42 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.6335
43 Iranian+Iranian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.639138
44 Abkhasian+Georgian_Imer+Iraqi_Jewish+Kandahari_Afg han_Pashtun @ 4.641162
45 Abkhasian+Abkhasian+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.644642
46 Abkhasian+Iraqi_Jewish+Kurdish+Pathan @ 4.647782
47 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Kandahari_Afghan_Pasht un+Kurdish @ 4.652064
48 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Iranian+Pathan @ 4.657864
49 Abkhasian+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Pathan @ 4.658029
50 Abkhasian+Iranian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish+Kandahari_ Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.660354
51 Georgian_Imer+Iraqi_Jewish+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtu n+Kurdish @ 4.667555
52 Abkhasian+Georgian_Laz+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.67085
53 Georgian_Laz+Iranian_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.670925
54 Abkhasian+Armenian+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.681589
55 Abkhasian+Georgian_Laz+Iranian_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.686052
56 Abkhasian+Armenian+Iranian_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.687093
57 Georgian_Laz+Iraqi_Jewish+Kurdish+Pathan @ 4.692203
58 Abkhasian+Abkhasian+Iranian_Jewish+Kandahari_Afgha n_Pashtun @ 4.692692
59 Iraqi_Jewish+Kurdish+Kurdish+Pathan @ 4.693949
60 Armenian+Iranian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.694867
61 Abkhasian+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Kandahari_Af ghan_Pashtun @ 4.696063
62 Iraqi_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun +Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.698465
63 Abkhasian+Abkhasian+Iranian_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.704562
64 Georgian_Laz+Iranian_Jewish+Kurdish+Pathan @ 4.705931
65 Abkhasian+Iranian_Jewish+Kurdish+Pathan @ 4.706395
66 Iranian_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.708119
67 Abkhasian+Iranian_Jewish+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+ Kurdish @ 4.713556
68 Abkhasian+Abkhasian+Iraqi_Jewish+Kandahari_Afghan_ Pashtun @ 4.724727
69 Iranian_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+Kandahari_Afghan_Pasht un+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.730039
70 Abkhasian+Georgian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.734789
71 Abkhasian+Georgian_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.736647
72 Armenian+Iraqi_Jewish+Kurdish+Pathan @ 4.73865
73 Armenian+Iranian_Jewish+Kurdish+Pathan @ 4.739082
74 Abkhasian+Iranian+Iraqi_Jewish+Kandahari_Afghan_Pa shtun @ 4.741409
75 Abkhasian+Iraqi_Jewish+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Ku rdish @ 4.741591
76 Abkhasian+Iranian+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.741828
77 Iranian+Iranian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish+Kandahari_Af ghan_Pashtun @ 4.741849
78 Abkhasian+Iranian+Iranian_Jewish+Kandahari_Afghan_ Pashtun @ 4.745032
79 Iranian_Jewish+Kurdish+Kurdish+Pathan @ 4.746223
80 Georgian_Imer+Iranian_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+Kandahar i_Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.748234
81 Georgian_Laz+Iraqi_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.748793
82 Armenian+Georgian_Imer+Kurdish+Pathan @ 4.750993
83 Georgian_Laz+Iranian+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.751409
84 Iranian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish+Kandahari_Afghan_Pas htun+Kurdish @ 4.752134
85 Georgian_Laz+Georgian_Laz+Iranian_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.754599
86 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Jewish+Kurdish+Pathan @ 4.75523
87 Abkhasian+Iranian_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+Kandahari_Af ghan_Pashtun @ 4.755275
88 Abkhasian+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.75787
89 Armenian+Iranian_Jewish+Iraqi_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.759771
90 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Laz+Iranian_Jewish+Kandahar i_Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.761101
91 Abkhasian+Armenian+Georgian_Imer+Pathan @ 4.762704
92 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Laz+Kurdish+Pathan @ 4.763347
93 Abkhasian+Georgian_Imer+Iranian+Kandahari_Afghan_P ashtun @ 4.774058
94 Armenian+Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Laz+Pathan @ 4.774865
95 Iranian_Jewish+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Kurdish+Ku rdish @ 4.775689
96 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Laz+Iranian+Kandahari_Afgha n_Pashtun @ 4.77736
97 Iranian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish+Kandahari_Afghan_Pas htun+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.781003
98 Armenian+Georgian_Laz+Iranian_Jewish+Pathan @ 4.784193
99 Georgian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish+Path an @ 4.784281
100 Armenian+Armenian+Georgian_Imer+Pathan @ 4.784779
19317396 iterations.

It's rather interesting how you can be modeled as 75% West Asian (Jewish or south Caucasian)+25% FATA Pashtun, or 50% West Asian (Jewish or south Caucasian)+50% western Afghan Pashtun.

My new top "4 populations approximation" is fairly reasonable:

Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+ Pathan+Burusho @ 2.153156

Thanks for taking the time to run my numbers!


It's rather interesting how you can be modeled as 75% West Asian (Jewish or south Caucasian)+25% FATA Pashtun, or 50% West Asian (Jewish or south Caucasian)+50% western Afghan Pashtun.


I get that quiet a bit with the gedmatch calculators also. Reminds me of the urdu proverb, "na idhar ka, na udhar ka". Just kidding :)



Using 1 population approximation:
1 Iranian @ 5.162843
2 Kurdish @ 5.236973


I also get this with some gedmatch calculators

vettor
01-16-2015, 05:28 PM
Abkhazians have slightly higher ANE admixture than Georgians do.

ANE admixture for Caucasians.


Abkhazians

22.12758571

Georgian_Imer

20.76198

Georgian_Laz

17.80312


In addition to this, Georgians also score a few percent more Near Eastern, which is why they cluster a little closer to Mesopotamian populations than Abkhazians do.

do you have any numbers for Balkars ( just north of georgia and east of abkhazians ) as DNAtribes plotted me at this site 2 years ago??
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkars

Rukha
01-16-2015, 11:07 PM
My results

David:


Looks like Afghan Pashtun, Pashtun, Tadjik, Tabassaran, and Lezgin, more or less in that order.

ANE 0.315089
South_Eurasian 0.108566
Near_Eastern 0.487582
East_Eurasian 0.019179
WHG 0.037347
Oceanian 0.016418
Pygmy 1E-005
Sub-Saharan 0.01581

Lower Bound NE

ANE 0.315335
South_Eurasian 0.108057
Near_Eastern 0.486205
East_Eurasian 0.01848
WHG 0.04124
Oceanian 0.016019
Pygmy 1E-005
Sub-Saharan 0.014653

http://i.imgur.com/fkJtyzB.png

http://i.imgur.com/PicoFpi.png

ZephyrousMandaru
01-17-2015, 02:57 AM
I just discovered this updated spreadsheet. The only problem I have with this, is that under Middle East & North Africa Assyrians are grouped under "South Caucasus" category. Assyrians aren't from the Caucasus, Assyrians are ultimately from Iraq. Also, Iraqi Jews are grouped under Southern Arabia when most analyses show that they consistently cluster with Assyrians, Iranian Jews and Iraqi Mandaeans. Also, Iranian Jews shouldn't be under Iran either, they're not a proper Iranian population like Kurds, Azeris and Persians are.

I'd revise this spreadsheet.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JVGdg2UsN3jYWgaoxAZu-QsAmuCaq3kT7FvqSXwUsAA/pubhtml

Humanist
01-17-2015, 03:13 AM
I just discovered this updated spreadsheet. The only problem I have with this, is that under Middle East & North Africa Assyrians are grouped under "South Caucasus" category.

Who labelled us "South Caucasus?" If we are "South Caucasus," then so are Iraqi Mandaeans, Iranian Jews, and Iraqi Jews. Does not make much sense.

ZephyrousMandaru
01-17-2015, 03:23 AM
Who labelled us "South Caucasus?" If we are "South Caucasus," then so are Iraqi Mandaeans, Iranian Jews, and Iraqi Jews. Does not make much sense.

I think it was LongBowMan, you could check out the thread here (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?154160-Selected-population-averages-for-K8&p=3315122#post3315122) on The Apricity. I don't the blame him, he probably based it on the sets of similar frequencies Assyrians had with other Middle Eastern populations, noticed that they lacked recent SSA admixture and designated them as a "Caucasian" population based on that.

I think he also classified them based on their genetic relationship with Armenians, which is fairly close, but compared to Iraqi Jews, Iranian Jews and Iraqi Mandaeans isn't all as close as it appears to be. In fact, my Oracle-4 results ranked Armenians quite low on the list comparable to the distance between we have with the Druze.

MDLP K23b

Oracle-4 Results



Using 1 population approximation:
1 Assyrian_Iraqi @ 1.262910
2 Iraqi_Chaldean @ 3.829951
3 Jew_Tat @ 5.978452
4 Iraqi_Jew @ 6.468532
5 Iranian_Jew @ 6.589534
6 Kurd_Jew @ 6.990664
7 Uzbekistani_Jew @ 7.049000
8 Iraqi_Mandean @ 7.470135
9 Georgian_Jew @ 7.731777
10 Turk_Adana @ 8.038953
11 Turk_Kayseri @ 8.938130
12 Assyrian_Arzni @ 9.292991
13 Lebanese_Muslim @ 9.495876
14 Lebanese_Druze @ 9.736648
]15 Armenian_Yerevan @ 10.691178
16 Armenian @ 10.876385
17 Lebanese @ 10.905150
18 Kurd_North @ 11.374497
19 Syrian_Jew @ 11.500642
20 Turk @ 12.097325

Chad Rohlfsen
01-17-2015, 03:25 AM
33993400

ANE 0.126489
South_Eurasian 1E-005
Near_Eastern 0.404564
East_Eurasian 0.002715
WHG 0.456777
Oceanian 0.009425
Pygmy 1E-005
Sub-Saharan 1E-005



Lower bound NE

ANE 0.124296
South_Eurasian 1E-005
Near_Eastern 0.366408
East_Eurasian 0.005295
WHG 0.493199
Oceanian 0.010771
Pygmy 1E-005
Sub-Saharan 1E-005

Humanist
01-17-2015, 03:44 AM
I think it was LongBowMan, you could check out the thread here (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?154160-Selected-population-averages-for-K8&p=3315122#post3315122) on The Apricity. I don't the blame him, he probably based it on the sets of similar frequencies Assyrians had with other Middle Eastern populations, noticed that they lacked recent SSA admixture and designated them as a "Caucasian" population based on that.

Yeah. Based on that sheet, he does not appear to be very familiar with the various ME groups.

Agamemnon
01-17-2015, 04:02 AM
I just discovered this updated spreadsheet. The only problem I have with this, is that under Middle East & North Africa Assyrians are grouped under "South Caucasus" category. Assyrians aren't from the Caucasus, Assyrians are ultimately from Iraq. Also, Iraqi Jews are grouped under Southern Arabia when most analyses show that they consistently cluster with Assyrians, Iranian Jews and Iraqi Mandaeans. Also, Iranian Jews shouldn't be under Iran either, they're not a proper Iranian population like Kurds, Azeris and Persians are.

I'd revise this spreadsheet.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JVGdg2UsN3jYWgaoxAZu-QsAmuCaq3kT7FvqSXwUsAA/pubhtml

I can see he's finally coming to his senses by putting "European" Jews and Cypriots together...

Sein
01-17-2015, 04:26 AM
...Reminds me of the urdu proverb, "na idhar ka, na udhar ka". Just kidding :)

:biggrin1:

That made me laugh.

Dr_McNinja
01-17-2015, 11:01 AM
I put a few of the South Asians (and Zeph/Humanist) on this sheet:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuXBmvmgdkfVdFMtRHVlZDBuQ3lMcjhxMDE4V3JoY lE#gid=35

Can you guys double check that I've used your normal K8 results and not the lower-bound-NE numbers?

Chad Rohlfsen
01-17-2015, 02:57 PM
Would anyone be willing to cross my numbers with the K8 Oracle, please?

Krefter
01-17-2015, 04:47 PM
Would anyone be willing to cross my numbers with the K8 Oracle, please?

Where are your results?

Chad Rohlfsen
01-17-2015, 06:08 PM
ANE 0.126489
South_Eurasian 1E-005
Near_Eastern 0.404564
East_Eurasian 0.002715
WHG 0.456777
Oceanian 0.009425
Pygmy 1E-005
Sub-Saharan 1E-005



Lower bound NE

ANE 0.124296
South_Eurasian 1E-005
Near_Eastern 0.366408
East_Eurasian 0.005295
WHG 0.493199
Oceanian 0.010771
Pygmy 1E-005
Sub-Saharan 1E-005

Varun R
01-17-2015, 06:38 PM
My results (HRP 0266)

ANE 0.306278
South_Eurasian 0.20242
Near_Eastern 0.383462
East_Eurasian 0.02971
WHG 1E-005
Oceanian 0.040161
Pygmy 0.013059
Sub-Saharan 0.0249



ANE 0.306909
South_Eurasian 0.201804
Near_Eastern 0.385753
East_Eurasian 0.028949
WHG 1E-005
Oceanian 0.039735
Pygmy 0.013106
Sub-Saharan 0.023736

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SwampThing27
01-17-2015, 07:25 PM
What separates Pygmy and SSA? Anyone know the difference?

Chad Rohlfsen
01-17-2015, 07:45 PM
Where are your results?

Did you catch that?

parasar
01-17-2015, 09:49 PM
My results (HRP 0266)
...
You are quite ANE shifted in the triangle, ~0.36 on the x-axis.

http://www.anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3405&d=1421519844

Chad Rohlfsen
01-17-2015, 10:56 PM
I wonder if there might be a better way to plot people from Central and South Asia. Maybe a triangle that focuses on ENF, South Eurasian, and ANE, or ANE, ENF, and East Eurasian. I think South Eurasians may be getting compressed into the triangle, but maybe not....

Krefter
01-18-2015, 03:08 AM
Chad, here are your oracles.

Using the full spreadsheets with modern and ancient samples.

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 SW_English @ 1.567945
2 SE_English @ 1.685455
3 Utah_USA @ 1.909109
4 Utah_German @ 2.276757
5 Orcadian @ 3.23777
6 West_Scottish @ 3.740242
7 LBA_Hungary @ 4.620954
8 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 5.053421
9 Hungarian @ 5.588892
10 Utah_Scandinavian @ 5.727731
11 Norwegian @ 5.746168
12 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 6.214692
13 Hinxton4 @ 6.37215
14 French @ 6.777595
15 Moldavian @ 6.878932
16 Ukrainian_Kharkov @ 7.1205
17 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 7.135923
18 Swedish @ 7.291588
19 Croatian @ 7.434951
20 Polish @ 7.971625
163 iterations.


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 LBA_Hungary+West_Scottish @ 1.002009
2 LBA_Hungary+Orcadian @ 1.107814
3 LBA_Hungary+Norwegian @ 1.130935
4 LBA_Hungary+Utah_Scandinavian @ 1.144395
5 Lithuanian+Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.253807
6 Lithuanian+Spanish_Aragon @ 1.336719
7 Basque_French+Russian_Kursk @ 1.378736
8 French+Hinxton4 @ 1.38384
9 Russian_Voronez+Spanish_Pais_Vasco @ 1.427894
10 Russian_Kursk+Spanish_Pais_Vasco @ 1.436888
11 Lithuanian+Spanish_Valencia @ 1.441246
12 Russian_Orel+Spanish_Pais_Vasco @ 1.447066
13 Polish+Spanish_Pais_Vasco @ 1.452898
14 LBA_Hungary+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 1.464796
15 Basque_French+Russian_Orel @ 1.467245
16 Belorussian+Spanish_Pais_Vasco @ 1.48323
17 Russian_Smolensk+Spanish_Pais_Vasco @ 1.532929
18 SW_English+SW_English @ 1.567945
19 Basque_French+Russian_Voronez @ 1.574146
20 LBA_Hungary+Ukrainian_Lviv @ 1.577833
13366 iterations.


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek +25% Hinxton4 +25% Motala12 @ 0.664267
2 50% Montenegrin +25% Motala12 +25% Tuscan @ 0.758541
3 50% Greek +25% Motala12 +25% Swedish @ 0.786331
4 50% LBA_Hungary +25% Norwegian +25% West_Scottish @ 0.824793
5 50% LBA_Hungary +25% Utah_Scandinavian +25% West_Scottish @ 0.832964
6 50% LBA_Hungary +25% Polish +25% SE_English @ 0.846096
7 50% LBA_Hungary +25% Polish +25% SW_English @ 0.852783
8 50% LBA_Hungary +25% Polish +25% Utah_USA @ 0.853829
9 50% LBA_Hungary +25% Russian_Smolensk +25% Utah_USA @ 0.861576
10 50% LBA_Hungary +25% Russian_Voronez +25% SE_English @ 0.862146
11 50% LBA_Hungary +25% Croatian +25% Lithuanian @ 0.863521
12 50% LBA_Hungary +25% Russian_Voronez +25% SW_English @ 0.871803
13 50% LBA_Hungary +25% Norwegian +25% Orcadian @ 0.872838
14 50% LBA_Hungary +25% Belorussian +25% Utah_USA @ 0.874677
15 50% LBA_Hungary +25% Polish +25% Utah_German @ 0.876909
16 50% LBA_Hungary +25% Orcadian +25% Utah_Scandinavian @ 0.883116
17 50% LBA_Hungary +25% Russian_Smolensk +25% SW_English @ 0.884252
18 50% LBA_Hungary +25% Russian_Smolensk +25% SE_English @ 0.887633
19 50% LBA_Hungary +25% Belorussian +25% SW_English @ 0.889803
20 50% LBA_Hungary +25% Belorussian +25% SE_English @ 0.891577
1006796 iterations.


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Greek+Greek+Hinxton4+Motala12 @ 0.664267
2 Greek+Motala12+Tuscan+West_Scottish @ 0.67679
3 Italian_Abruzzo+Motala12+Norwegian+Tuscan @ 0.727016
4 Greek+Motala12+Orcadian+Tuscan @ 0.732402
5 Italian_Abruzzo+Motala12+Tuscan+Utah_Scandinavian @ 0.741692
6 Montenegrin+Montenegrin+Motala12+Tuscan @ 0.758541
7 Greek+Kosovar+Motala12+Utah_USA @ 0.758765
8 French+Greek+Macedonian+Motala12 @ 0.761039
9 French+Italian_Abruzzo+Montenegrin+Motala12 @ 0.762456
10 Greek+Kosovar+Motala12+SW_English @ 0.769019
11 Central_Greek+Motala12+Orcadian+Tuscan @ 0.773263
12 Central_Greek+Motala12+Tuscan+West_Scottish @ 0.774205
13 Italian_Abruzzo+Kosovar+Motala12+Orcadian @ 0.780522
14 Greek+Kosovar+Motala12+SE_English @ 0.781599
15 Greek+Greek+Motala12+Swedish @ 0.786331
16 Macedonian+Motala12+Serbian+Tuscan @ 0.793927
17 Italian_Abruzzo+Kosovar+Motala12+SE_English @ 0.800495
18 French+Greek+Motala12+Romanian @ 0.800572
19 Central_Greek+French+Macedonian+Motala12 @ 0.808405
20 Greek+Greek_Thessaly+Motala12+SE_English @ 0.814548
21 Bulgarian+French+Greek+Motala12 @ 0.818452
22 Hinxton4+Italian_Abruzzo+Motala12+Tuscan @ 0.818902
23 Italian_Abruzzo+Kosovar+Motala12+SW_English @ 0.823788
24 LBA_Hungary+LBA_Hungary+Norwegian+West_Scottish @ 0.824793
25 Greek+Greek_Thessaly+Motala12+Orcadian @ 0.830965
26 Greek+Greek_Thessaly+Motala12+SW_English @ 0.831452
27 Italian_Abruzzo+Kosovar+Motala12+West_Scottish @ 0.832409
28 LBA_Hungary+LBA_Hungary+Utah_Scandinavian+West_Sco ttish @ 0.832964
29 Hungarian+Kosovar+Motala12+Tuscan @ 0.841442
30 Italian_Abruzzo+Kosovar+Motala12+Utah_German @ 0.844946
31 Greek_Thessaly+Hinxton4+Italian_Abruzzo+Motala12 @ 0.845647
32 LBA_Hungary+LBA_Hungary+Polish+SE_English @ 0.846096
33 Cyprian+French+Motala12+Orcadian @ 0.847535
34 Montenegrin+Motala12+Serbian+Tuscan @ 0.851186
35 Greek+Kosovar+Motala12+Utah_German @ 0.851745
36 LBA_Hungary+LBA_Hungary+Polish+SW_English @ 0.852783
37 LBA_Hungary+LBA_Hungary+Polish+Utah_USA @ 0.853829
38 LBA_Hungary+LBA_Hungary+Russian_Smolensk+Utah_USA @ 0.861576
39 LBA_Hungary+LBA_Hungary+Russian_Voronez+SE_English @ 0.862146
40 Croatian+LBA_Hungary+LBA_Hungary+Lithuanian @ 0.863521
3789314 iterations.




Gaussian method.
Noise dispersion set to 0.676116


Using 1 population approximation:
1 SE_English @ 3.059472
2 LBA_Hungary @ 3.101924
3 SW_English @ 3.195472
4 Utah_USA @ 3.501336
5 Orcadian @ 3.729125
6 Utah_German @ 3.834148
7 French @ 3.94429
8 West_Scottish @ 3.978297
9 Norwegian @ 4.102443
10 Croatian @ 4.147175
11 Hinxton4 @ 4.165664
12 Utah_Scandinavian @ 4.28178
13 Swedish @ 4.411538
14 Serbian_Bosnia @ 4.417349
15 Hungarian @ 4.471989
16 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.604458
17 Polish @ 4.669626
18 Spanish_Pais_Vasco @ 4.949375
19 Bosnian @ 5.010608
20 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 5.025853
163 iterations.


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 LBA_Hungary+SE_English @ 2.854209
2 LBA_Hungary+SW_English @ 2.932701
3 Hinxton4+LBA_Hungary @ 3.034697
4 SE_English+SE_English @ 3.059472
5 LBA_Hungary+Orcadian @ 3.078388
6 LBA_Hungary+Utah_USA @ 3.094615
7 LBA_Hungary+LBA_Hungary @ 3.101924
8 SE_English+SW_English @ 3.129791
9 LBA_Hungary+West_Scottish @ 3.155433
10 SW_English+SW_English @ 3.195472
11 LBA_Hungary+Norwegian @ 3.196753
12 Basque_French+Hinxton4 @ 3.240272
13 LBA_Hungary+Utah_German @ 3.272486
14 LBA_Hungary+Swedish @ 3.276651
15 Basque_French+SE_English @ 3.284873
16 SE_English+Utah_USA @ 3.292727
17 LBA_Hungary+Utah_Scandinavian @ 3.32043
18 Basque_French+Norwegian @ 3.32391
19 Lithuanian+North_Italian @ 3.327607
20 LBA_Hungary+Polish @ 3.335653
13366 iterations.


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% North_Italian +25% Motala12 +25% North_Italian @ 2.761086
2 50% North_Italian +25% Macedonian +25% Motala12 @ 2.771438
3 50% North_Italian +25% Montenegrin +25% Motala12 @ 2.775856
4 50% Croatian +25% Motala12 +25% Stuttgart @ 2.784026
5 50% North_Italian +25% Croatian +25% Motala12 @ 2.836252
6 50% Croatian +25% Motala12 +25% Neolithic_Hungary @ 2.837647
7 50% North_Italian +25% LBA_Hungary +25% Motala12 @ 2.84596
8 50% North_Italian +25% Kosovar +25% Motala12 @ 2.845989
9 50% North_Italian +25% French +25% Motala12 @ 2.847667
10 50% LBA_Hungary +25% SE_English +25% SE_English @ 2.854209
11 50% Kosovar +25% LBA_Hungary +25% Motala12 @ 2.857972
12 50% SE_English +25% Gokhem2 +25% SE_English @ 2.873162
13 50% LBA_Hungary +25% Hinxton4 +25% LBA_Hungary @ 2.883037
14 50% North_Italian +25% Motala12 +25% SE_English @ 2.887085
15 50% North_Italian +25% Motala12 +25% Serbian @ 2.891327
16 50% LBA_Hungary +25% SE_English +25% SW_English @ 2.894119
17 50% Macedonian +25% Motala12 +25% North_Italian @ 2.903581
18 50% SE_English +25% Motala12 +25% Stuttgart @ 2.905049
19 50% SE_English +25% LBA_Hungary +25% SE_English @ 2.908119
20 50% LBA_Hungary +25% LBA_Hungary +25% Lithuanian @ 2.910096
1707110 iterations.


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Macedonian+Motala12+SE_English+Stuttgart @ 2.65841
2 Montenegrin+Motala12+SE_English+Stuttgart @ 2.690511
3 Kosovar+Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary+SE_English @ 2.691917
4 Macedonian+Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary+SE_English @ 2.695981
5 Kosovar+Motala12+SE_English+Stuttgart @ 2.708898
6 Macedonian+Motala12+Stuttgart+SW_English @ 2.712943
7 Greek+Lithuanian+Motala12+Stuttgart @ 2.713617
8 Kosovar+Lithuanian+Motala12+Stuttgart @ 2.739967
9 Montenegrin+Motala12+Stuttgart+SW_English @ 2.742381
10 Motala12+North_Italian+SE_English+Stuttgart @ 2.744602
11 Greek+Lithuanian+Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary @ 2.74472
12 Montenegrin+Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary+SE_English @ 2.74679
13 Macedonian+Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary+SW_English @ 2.748338
14 Kosovar+Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary+SW_English @ 2.748401
15 Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary+North_Italian+SE_Englis h @ 2.759217
16 Motala12+North_Italian+North_Italian+North_Italian @ 2.761086
17 Kosovar+Motala12+Stuttgart+SW_English @ 2.765976
18 Macedonian+Motala12+North_Italian+North_Italian @ 2.771438
19 Hinxton4+Motala12+North_Italian+Stuttgart @ 2.771603
20 Montenegrin+Motala12+North_Italian+North_Italian @ 2.775856
21 Greek+LBA_Hungary+Motala12+North_Italian @ 2.777518
22 Hinxton4+Kosovar+Motala12+Stuttgart @ 2.777598
23 Macedonian+Motala12+Orcadian+Stuttgart @ 2.782937
24 Croatian+Croatian+Motala12+Stuttgart @ 2.784026
25 Greek+Motala12+North_Italian+SE_English @ 2.784296
26 Croatian+Motala12+SE_English+Stuttgart @ 2.784502
27 Kosovar+Motala12+Polish+Stuttgart @ 2.78842
28 Macedonian+Motala12+Stuttgart+Utah_USA @ 2.791962
29 Kosovar+Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary+Orcadian @ 2.792743
30 Kosovar+Motala12+Norwegian+Stuttgart @ 2.793265
31 Montenegrin+Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary+SW_English @ 2.796088
32 Kosovar+Motala12+Orcadian+Stuttgart @ 2.796951
33 Lithuanian+Motala12+North_Italian+Stuttgart @ 2.800144
34 Motala12+North_Italian+Stuttgart+SW_English @ 2.800595
35 Lithuanian+Motala12+Stuttgart+Tuscan @ 2.801216
36 Macedonian+Motala12+Stuttgart+West_Scottish @ 2.802059
37 Hinxton4+Kosovar+Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary @ 2.803921
38 Motala12+North_Italian+Stuttgart+West_Scottish @ 2.807698
39 Kosovar+Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary+West_Scottish @ 2.807705
40 Greek+Hinxton4+Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary @ 2.807883
15030574 iterations.




Using an edited spreadsheet, with stone age Europeans, proxy-Yamna(25 ANE, 35 WHG, 40 ENF), and modern west Asians. You fit very nicely as 50% Yamna, 25% WHG, and 25% EEF.





Least-squares method.


Using 1 population approximation:
1 Gokhem2 @ 15.828103
2 Yamna @ 23.846553
3 Neolithic_Hungary @ 35.522663
4 Stuttgart @ 38.544631
5 Tabassaran @ 41.360813
6 Kabardin @ 41.817439
7 Kumyk @ 42.339173
8 Chechen @ 42.881826
9 Lezgin @ 43.34982
10 Balkar @ 43.764887
11 Moroccan @ 43.777221
12 Adygei @ 44.26853
13 North_Ossetian @ 44.498153
14 Turkish @ 45.907465
15 Mozabite_Berber @ 45.938165
16 Tunisian @ 46.128717
17 Ossetian @ 46.525564
18 Azeri @ 50.535114
19 Cyprian @ 51.116708
20 Iranian @ 53.149606
42 iterations.


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Cyprian+Motala12 @ 2.243919
2 Druze+Motala12 @ 2.249184
3 Lebanese_Christian+Motala12 @ 2.487869
4 Lebanese_Muslim+Motala12 @ 3.429568
5 Georgian_Jewish+Motala12 @ 4.0346
6 Motala12+Syrian @ 4.478632
7 Armenian+Motala12 @ 4.546062
8 Iraqi_Jewish+Motala12 @ 4.550742
9 Iranian_Jewish+Motala12 @ 4.898859
10 Motala12+Samaritan @ 5.200711
11 Jordanian+Motala12 @ 5.323307
12 Motala12+Palestinian @ 5.436496
13 Georgian_Laz+Motala12 @ 5.789924
14 Georgian_Imer+Loschbour @ 6.265676
15 Motala12+Saudi @ 6.710624
16 Bedouin+Motala12 @ 7.053772
17 Georgian_Laz+Loschbour @ 7.41399
18 Iranian_Jewish+Loschbour @ 7.492223
19 Georgian_Imer+Motala12 @ 7.631167
20 Kurdish+Motala12 @ 7.760649
903 iterations.


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Motala12 +25% Cyprian +25% Lebanese_Christian @ 1.312957
2 50% Yamna +25% Loschbour +25% Stuttgart @ 1.490969
3 50% Motala12 +25% Cyprian +25% Druze @ 1.632129
4 50% Motala12 +25% Cyprian +25% Iraqi_Jewish @ 1.766514
5 50% Yamna +25% Loschbour +25% Neolithic_Hungary @ 1.780791
6 50% Motala12 +25% Cyprian +25% Georgian_Jewish @ 2.031486
7 50% Motala12 +25% Druze +25% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.19366
8 50% Motala12 +25% Cyprian +25% Samaritan @ 2.207492
9 50% Motala12 +25% Cyprian +25% Iranian_Jewish @ 2.211688
10 50% Cyprian +25% Motala12 +25% Motala12 @ 2.243919
11 50% Druze +25% Motala12 +25% Motala12 @ 2.249184
12 50% Motala12 +25% Armenian +25% Cyprian @ 2.287799
13 50% Motala12 +25% Lebanese_Christian +25% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.344621
14 50% Motala12 +25% Cyprian +25% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.378354
15 50% Lebanese_Christian +25% Motala12 +25% Motala12 @ 2.487869
16 50% Motala12 +25% Georgian_Jewish +25% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.53498
17 50% Motala12 +25% Armenian +25% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.558228
18 50% Iranian_Jewish +25% Loschbour +25% Motala12 @ 2.618727
19 50% Motala12 +25% Druze +25% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.725523
20 50% Motala12 +25% Cyprian +25% Syrian @ 2.767422
34655 iterations.


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Cyprian+Lebanese_Christian+Motala12+Motala12 @ 1.312957
2 Loschbour+Stuttgart+Yamna+Yamna @ 1.490969
3 Abkhasian+Gokhem2+Loschbour+Yamna @ 1.523524
4 Cyprian+Druze+Motala12+Motala12 @ 1.632129
5 Cyprian+Iraqi_Jewish+Motala12+Motala12 @ 1.766514
6 Loschbour+Neolithic_Hungary+Yamna+Yamna @ 1.780791
7 Gokhem2+Kurdish+Loschbour+Yamna @ 1.919063
8 Georgian_Imer+Iraqi_Jewish+Loschbour+Motala12 @ 2.015911
9 Cyprian+Georgian_Jewish+Motala12+Motala12 @ 2.031486
10 Azeri+Gokhem2+Loschbour+Yamna @ 2.055999
11 Gokhem2+Iranian+Loschbour+Yamna @ 2.169599
12 Gokhem2+Loschbour+Ossetian+Yamna @ 2.18092
13 Druze+Lebanese_Christian+Motala12+Motala12 @ 2.19366
14 Cyprian+Motala12+Motala12+Samaritan @ 2.207492
15 Cyprian+Iranian_Jewish+Motala12+Motala12 @ 2.211688
16 Georgian_Imer+Gokhem2+Loschbour+Yamna @ 2.212026
17 Cyprian+Cyprian+Motala12+Motala12 @ 2.243919
18 Druze+Druze+Motala12+Motala12 @ 2.249184
19 Adygei+Gokhem2+Loschbour+Yamna @ 2.279902
20 Georgian_Laz+Iraqi_Jewish+Loschbour+Motala12 @ 2.282351
21 Armenian+Cyprian+Motala12+Motala12 @ 2.287799
22 Gokhem2+Loschbour+Turkish+Yamna @ 2.306663
23 Lebanese_Christian+Lebanese_Muslim+Motala12+Motala 12 @ 2.344621
24 Gokhem2+Motala12+Stuttgart+Yamna @ 2.364818
25 Cyprian+Lebanese_Muslim+Motala12+Motala12 @ 2.378354
26 Lebanese_Christian+Lebanese_Christian+Motala12+Mot ala12 @ 2.487869
27 Georgian_Laz+Gokhem2+Loschbour+Yamna @ 2.510285
28 Georgian_Jewish+Lebanese_Christian+Motala12+Motala 12 @ 2.53498
29 Armenian+Iraqi_Jewish+Loschbour+Motala12 @ 2.547147
30 Armenian+Lebanese_Christian+Motala12+Motala12 @ 2.558228
31 Georgian_Imer+Iranian_Jewish+Loschbour+Motala12 @ 2.581332
32 Georgian_Laz+Iranian_Jewish+Loschbour+Motala12 @ 2.586698
33 Gokhem2+Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary+Yamna @ 2.597286
34 Armenian+Iranian_Jewish+Loschbour+Motala12 @ 2.599811
35 Iranian_Jewish+Iranian_Jewish+Loschbour+Motala12 @ 2.618727
36 Gokhem2+Loschbour+North_Ossetian+Yamna @ 2.620993
37 Druze+Lebanese_Muslim+Motala12+Motala12 @ 2.725523
38 Georgian_Imer+Loschbour+Motala12+Samaritan @ 2.743753
39 Balkar+Gokhem2+Loschbour+Yamna @ 2.75256
40 Cyprian+Motala12+Motala12+Syrian @ 2.767422
111670 iterations.




Gaussian method.
Noise dispersion set to 0.676116


Using 1 population approximation:
1 Yamna @ 8.21651
2 Tabassaran @ 17.847964
3 Kabardin @ 18.820133
4 Chechen @ 18.866265
5 Lezgin @ 19.418247
6 Kumyk @ 19.447746
7 Adygei @ 20.424796
8 Cyprian @ 20.451298
9 Balkar @ 20.770764
10 Turkish @ 21.221788
11 North_Ossetian @ 21.542506
12 Ossetian @ 23.626209
13 Lebanese_Muslim @ 26.32119
14 Tunisian @ 27.396376
15 Druze @ 27.631844
16 Gokhem2 @ 29.375907
17 Lebanese_Christian @ 29.404574
18 Moroccan @ 29.555149
19 Jordanian @ 29.941614
20 Syrian @ 30.029171
42 iterations.


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Gokhem2+Yamna @ 3.341843
2 Cyprian+Motala12 @ 3.720556
3 Georgian_Imer+Loschbour @ 3.973096
4 Armenian+Motala12 @ 4.077379
5 Georgian_Laz+Motala12 @ 4.13194
6 Georgian_Laz+Loschbour @ 4.226423
7 Motala12+Stuttgart @ 4.272038
8 Lebanese_Christian+Motala12 @ 4.343402
9 Georgian_Jewish+Motala12 @ 4.376183
10 Iraqi_Jewish+Motala12 @ 4.477563
11 Abkhasian+Loschbour @ 4.503805
12 Georgian_Imer+Motala12 @ 4.604621
13 Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary @ 4.660496
14 Motala12+Samaritan @ 4.685756
15 Armenian+Loschbour @ 4.713341
16 Druze+Motala12 @ 4.741059
17 Iranian_Jewish+Motala12 @ 4.806581
18 Kurdish+Loschbour @ 5.048364
19 Abkhasian+Motala12 @ 5.081982
20 Lebanese_Muslim+Motala12 @ 5.232399
903 iterations.


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Yamna +25% Loschbour +25% Stuttgart @ 0.641055
2 50% Yamna +25% Loschbour +25% Neolithic_Hungary @ 0.683317
3 50% Neolithic_Hungary +25% Motala12 +25% Yamna @ 2.275743
4 50% Stuttgart +25% Motala12 +25% Yamna @ 2.78617
5 50% Yamna +25% Motala12 +25% Neolithic_Hungary @ 2.893235
6 50% Yamna +25% Gokhem2 +25% Loschbour @ 2.942665
7 50% Yamna +25% Motala12 +25% Stuttgart @ 2.968374
8 50% Gokhem2 +25% Motala12 +25% Yamna @ 3.096945
9 50% Motala12 +25% Georgian_Laz +25% Stuttgart @ 3.187336
10 50% Motala12 +25% Armenian +25% Stuttgart @ 3.271995
11 50% Motala12 +25% Georgian_Imer +25% Stuttgart @ 3.291543
12 50% Motala12 +25% Georgian_Laz +25% Neolithic_Hungary @ 3.327756
13 50% Gokhem2 +25% Yamna +25% Yamna @ 3.341843
14 50% Yamna +25% Gokhem2 +25% Motala12 @ 3.374729
15 50% Motala12 +25% Armenian +25% Neolithic_Hungary @ 3.40028
16 50% Motala12 +25% Georgian_Imer +25% Neolithic_Hungary @ 3.423905
17 50% Yamna +25% Cyprian +25% Loschbour @ 3.477706
18 50% Gokhem2 +25% Lezgin +25% Motala12 @ 3.484363
19 50% Gokhem2 +25% Georgian_Imer +25% Motala12 @ 3.486475
20 50% Georgian_Laz +25% Loschbour +25% Motala12 @ 3.51137
36477 iterations.


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Gokhem2+Motala12+Stuttgart+Yamna @ 0.522377
2 Gokhem2+Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary+Yamna @ 0.563316
3 Loschbour+Stuttgart+Yamna+Yamna @ 0.641055
4 Loschbour+Neolithic_Hungary+Yamna+Yamna @ 0.683317
5 Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary+Neolithic_Hungary+Yamna @ 2.275743
6 Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary+Stuttgart+Yamna @ 2.534273
7 Georgian_Laz+Gokhem2+Loschbour+Yamna @ 2.775443
8 Motala12+Stuttgart+Stuttgart+Yamna @ 2.78617
9 Georgian_Imer+Gokhem2+Loschbour+Yamna @ 2.842799
10 Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary+Yamna+Yamna @ 2.893235
11 Gokhem2+Loschbour+Yamna+Yamna @ 2.942665
12 Motala12+Stuttgart+Yamna+Yamna @ 2.968374
13 Armenian+Gokhem2+Loschbour+Yamna @ 3.004988
14 Cyprian+Gokhem2+Motala12+Yamna @ 3.078491
15 Abkhasian+Gokhem2+Loschbour+Yamna @ 3.091531
16 Gokhem2+Gokhem2+Motala12+Yamna @ 3.096945
17 Georgian_Laz+Motala12+Motala12+Stuttgart @ 3.187336
18 Armenian+Motala12+Motala12+Stuttgart @ 3.271995
19 Georgian_Imer+Motala12+Motala12+Stuttgart @ 3.291543
20 Chechen+Gokhem2+Loschbour+Yamna @ 3.317846
21 Georgian_Laz+Motala12+Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary @ 3.327756
22 Gokhem2+Gokhem2+Yamna+Yamna @ 3.341843
23 Cyprian+Gokhem2+Loschbour+Yamna @ 3.351071
24 Gokhem2+Motala12+Yamna+Yamna @ 3.374729
25 Gokhem2+Lezgin+Loschbour+Yamna @ 3.383578
26 Georgian_Jewish+Gokhem2+Loschbour+Yamna @ 3.392399
27 Armenian+Motala12+Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary @ 3.40028
28 Georgian_Imer+Motala12+Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary @ 3.423905
29 Cyprian+Loschbour+Yamna+Yamna @ 3.477706
30 Gokhem2+Gokhem2+Lezgin+Motala12 @ 3.484363
31 Georgian_Imer+Gokhem2+Gokhem2+Motala12 @ 3.486475
32 Georgian_Laz+Georgian_Laz+Loschbour+Motala12 @ 3.51137
33 Gokhem2+Kurdish+Loschbour+Yamna @ 3.516337
34 Chechen+Gokhem2+Gokhem2+Motala12 @ 3.518398
35 Georgian_Laz+Gokhem2+Motala12+Yamna @ 3.536784
36 Iraqi_Jewish+Motala12+Motala12+Stuttgart @ 3.541674
37 Georgian_Jewish+Motala12+Motala12+Stuttgart @ 3.564403
38 Abkhasian+Gokhem2+Gokhem2+Motala12 @ 3.567125
39 Armenian+Gokhem2+Motala12+Yamna @ 3.577507
40 Armenian+Georgian_Laz+Loschbour+Motala12 @ 3.578532
139881 iterations.

Jessie
01-18-2015, 01:09 PM
Could someone do an Oracle for me and my mother? We are both Irish so I'd be interested to see what population we are closest to?

Here's mine.

ANE 0.158429
South_Eurasian 0.00305
Near_Eastern 0.384229
East_Eurasian 1E-005
WHG 0.453869
Oceanian 0.000393
Pygmy 1E-005
Sub-Saharan 1E-005



Lower bound NE

ANE 0.156524
South_Eurasian 0.005765
Near_Eastern 0.346246
East_Eurasian 1E-005
WHG 0.489913
Oceanian 0.001522
Pygmy 1E-005
Sub-Saharan 1E-005

I'll post images later

My mother

ANE 0.161975
South_Eurasian 0.007057
Near_Eastern 0.386478
East_Eurasian 1E-005
WHG 0.443603
Oceanian 0.000857
Pygmy 1E-005
Sub-Saharan 1E-005



Lower bound NE

ANE 0.160113
South_Eurasian 0.009684
Near_Eastern 0.349168
East_Eurasian 1E-005
WHG 0.479065
Oceanian 0.001939
Pygmy 1E-005
Sub-Saharan 1E-005

Krefter
01-18-2015, 03:30 PM
Jessie,

Your modern oracles

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 West_Scottish @ 1.094053
2 Orcadian @ 1.521678
3 Utah_German @ 2.257288
4 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.495425
5 SE_English @ 2.578186
6 SW_English @ 2.753205
7 Utah_USA @ 2.865113
8 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3.158425
9 Norwegian @ 3.270986
10 Utah_Scandinavian @ 3.317727
11 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.826773
12 Ukrainian_Kharkov @ 4.241366
13 Hinxton4 @ 4.420379
14 Russian_Voronez @ 4.899306
15 Polish @ 5.070374
16 Swedish @ 5.110205
17 Russian_Orel @ 5.721302
18 Belorussian @ 5.829709
19 Russian_Smolensk @ 5.966215
20 Russian_Kursk @ 5.972964
163 iterations.


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 West_Scottish+West_Scottish @ 1.094053
2 Orcadian+West_Scottish @ 1.276975
3 Utah_German+West_Scottish @ 1.509964
4 Orcadian+Orcadian @ 1.521678
5 SW_English+Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.587333
6 Orcadian+Ukrainian_Lviv @ 1.589233
7 SE_English+Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.601124
8 Ukrainian_Lviv+West_Scottish @ 1.602861
9 SE_English+West_Scottish @ 1.60613
10 SE_English+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 1.63363
11 Norwegian+Utah_USA @ 1.640255
12 Ukrainian_Belgorod+Utah_USA @ 1.641377
13 Hungarian+Swedish @ 1.643595
14 SW_English+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 1.650095
15 SW_English+West_Scottish @ 1.681655
16 Utah_Scandinavian+Utah_USA @ 1.695247
17 Ukrainian_Poltava+Utah_USA @ 1.699593
18 Utah_USA+West_Scottish @ 1.702284
19 Hungarian+Polish @ 1.702772
20 Hinxton4+Hungarian @ 1.711642
13366 iterations.


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% West_Scottish +25% Orcadian +25% West_Scottish @ 1.175763
2 50% Lithuanian +25% Hinxton4 +25% Tuscan @ 1.198658
3 50% Lithuanian +25% Greek_Thessaly +25% Hinxton4 @ 1.201372
4 50% Hinxton4 +25% Bulgarian +25% Lithuanian @ 1.204942
5 50% Croatian +25% Hinxton4 +25% Lithuanian @ 1.211746
6 50% Hinxton4 +25% Lithuanian +25% Macedonian @ 1.212853
7 50% West_Scottish +25% Lithuanian +25% Serbian @ 1.233426
8 50% West_Scottish +25% Utah_German +25% West_Scottish @ 1.233666
9 50% Hinxton4 +25% Lithuanian +25% Romanian @ 1.236414
10 50% Hinxton4 +25% Polish +25% Serbian @ 1.242616
11 50% Lithuanian +25% Kosovar +25% West_Scottish @ 1.242916
12 50% West_Scottish +25% Hungarian +25% Polish @ 1.243256
13 50% Polish +25% Hinxton4 +25% Serbian @ 1.244011
14 50% West_Scottish +25% SE_English +25% West_Scottish @ 1.246081
15 50% West_Scottish +25% Hinxton4 +25% Hungarian @ 1.249341
16 50% Lithuanian +25% Kosovar +25% Orcadian @ 1.252502
17 50% Lithuanian +25% French +25% Montenegrin @ 1.261877
18 50% West_Scottish +25% Utah_USA +25% West_Scottish @ 1.263359
19 50% West_Scottish +25% Ukrainian_Lviv +25% West_Scottish @ 1.263858
20 50% Hinxton4 +25% Belorussian +25% Serbian @ 1.269824
1116765 iterations.


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Hinxton4+Lithuanian+Montenegrin+West_Scottish @ 1.076949
2 West_Scottish+West_Scottish+West_Scottish+West_Sco ttish @ 1.094053
3 Croatian+Hinxton4+Polish+West_Scottish @ 1.142263
4 Hinxton4+Lithuanian+Montenegrin+Orcadian @ 1.15164
5 Hinxton4+Lithuanian+Macedonian+West_Scottish @ 1.1675
6 Orcadian+West_Scottish+West_Scottish+West_Scottish @ 1.175763
7 Hinxton4+Lithuanian+Macedonian+Norwegian @ 1.195914
8 Hinxton4+Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Tuscan @ 1.198658
9 Greek_Thessaly+Hinxton4+Lithuanian+Lithuanian @ 1.201372
10 Bulgarian+Hinxton4+Hinxton4+Lithuanian @ 1.204942
11 Croatian+Croatian+Hinxton4+Lithuanian @ 1.211746
12 Hinxton4+Hinxton4+Lithuanian+Macedonian @ 1.212853
13 Croatian+Hinxton4+Orcadian+Polish @ 1.215768
14 Lithuanian+Montenegrin+Norwegian+West_Scottish @ 1.220023
15 Hinxton4+Lithuanian+Macedonian+Utah_Scandinavian @ 1.226426
16 Lithuanian+Serbian+West_Scottish+West_Scottish @ 1.233426
17 Utah_German+West_Scottish+West_Scottish+West_Scott ish @ 1.233666
18 Hinxton4+Lithuanian+Macedonian+Orcadian @ 1.234093
19 Hinxton4+Lithuanian+Romanian+West_Scottish @ 1.234963
20 Hinxton4+Hinxton4+Lithuanian+Romanian @ 1.236414
21 Belorussian+Croatian+Hinxton4+West_Scottish @ 1.239088
22 Lithuanian+Montenegrin+Polish+SE_English @ 1.240147
23 Hinxton4+Hinxton4+Polish+Serbian @ 1.242616
24 Kosovar+Lithuanian+Lithuanian+West_Scottish @ 1.242916
25 Hungarian+Polish+West_Scottish+West_Scottish @ 1.243256
26 Hinxton4+Polish+Polish+Serbian @ 1.244011
27 SE_English+West_Scottish+West_Scottish+West_Scotti sh @ 1.246081
28 Lithuanian+Montenegrin+Utah_Scandinavian+West_Scot tish @ 1.247505
29 Hinxton4+Lithuanian+Orcadian+Romanian @ 1.248843
30 Hinxton4+Hungarian+West_Scottish+West_Scottish @ 1.249341
31 Hinxton4+Lithuanian+Montenegrin+Utah_German @ 1.249616
32 Lithuanian+Montenegrin+Polish+SW_English @ 1.25088
33 Kosovar+Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Orcadian @ 1.252502
34 Croatian+Hinxton4+Russian_Voronez+West_Scottish @ 1.253488
35 Croatian+Hinxton4+Russian_Smolensk+West_Scottish @ 1.257817
36 Hinxton4+Lithuanian+Montenegrin+SE_English @ 1.258729
37 Lithuanian+Montenegrin+Norwegian+Orcadian @ 1.26181
38 French+Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Montenegrin @ 1.261877
39 Hinxton4+Lithuanian+Serbian+Utah_USA @ 1.262874
40 Utah_USA+West_Scottish+West_Scottish+West_Scottish @ 1.263359
4819528 iterations.




Gaussian method.
Noise dispersion set to 0.676116


Using 1 population approximation:
1 SE_English @ 3.497351
2 Hinxton4 @ 3.529354
3 SW_English @ 3.614882
4 Orcadian @ 3.63888
5 West_Scottish @ 3.659723
6 Utah_USA @ 3.767467
7 Norwegian @ 3.945694
8 Utah_German @ 4.023666
9 Polish @ 4.111701
10 Swedish @ 4.148193
11 Utah_Scandinavian @ 4.16777
12 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.455098
13 Hungarian @ 4.526188
14 Croatian @ 4.541958
15 Belorussian @ 4.607379
16 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 4.621292
17 Russian_Smolensk @ 4.624389
18 LBA_Hungary @ 4.638826
19 French @ 4.67137
20 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 4.712062
163 iterations.


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 SE_English+SE_English @ 3.497351
2 Hinxton4+SE_English @ 3.509081
3 Hinxton4+Hinxton4 @ 3.529354
4 Hinxton4+SW_English @ 3.55451
5 SE_English+SW_English @ 3.557713
6 Orcadian+SE_English @ 3.564467
7 SE_English+West_Scottish @ 3.575958
8 Hinxton4+West_Scottish @ 3.593882
9 Hinxton4+Orcadian @ 3.606581
10 Hinxton4+Utah_USA @ 3.6101
11 SW_English+SW_English @ 3.614882
12 Orcadian+SW_English @ 3.616336
13 SW_English+West_Scottish @ 3.625251
14 Orcadian+Orcadian @ 3.63888
15 SE_English+Utah_USA @ 3.63929
16 Orcadian+West_Scottish @ 3.651801
17 West_Scottish+West_Scottish @ 3.659723
18 Norwegian+SE_English @ 3.665706
19 Polish+SE_English @ 3.668556
20 Orcadian+Utah_USA @ 3.686569
13366 iterations.


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Hinxton4 +25% French +25% Hinxton4 @ 3.481326
2 50% Hinxton4 +25% Hinxton4 +25% North_Italian @ 3.491316
3 50% Hinxton4 +25% Hinxton4 +25% Montenegrin @ 3.495016
4 50% SE_English +25% Hinxton4 +25% SE_English @ 3.50291
5 50% Hinxton4 +25% SE_English +25% SE_English @ 3.509081
6 50% Hinxton4 +25% Hinxton4 +25% LBA_Hungary @ 3.516674
7 50% Hinxton4 +25% Hinxton4 +25% SE_English @ 3.518899
8 50% SE_English +25% SE_English +25% SW_English @ 3.527956
9 50% Hinxton4 +25% Hinxton4 +25% Spanish_Pais_Vasco @ 3.528884
10 50% SE_English +25% Hinxton4 +25% SW_English @ 3.529539
11 50% Hinxton4 +25% Hinxton4 +25% Macedonian @ 3.529798
12 50% SE_English +25% Orcadian +25% SE_English @ 3.530096
13 50% Lithuanian +25% Lithuanian +25% Stuttgart @ 3.530839
14 50% Hinxton4 +25% SE_English +25% SW_English @ 3.532131
15 50% Lithuanian +25% Lithuanian +25% Neolithic_Hungary @ 3.533967
16 50% SE_English +25% SE_English +25% West_Scottish @ 3.536073
17 50% Hinxton4 +25% Hinxton4 +25% SW_English @ 3.538431
18 50% SE_English +25% Hinxton4 +25% West_Scottish @ 3.54145
19 50% SE_English +25% Hinxton4 +25% Orcadian @ 3.541868
20 50% SE_English +25% Polish +25% SE_English @ 3.543926
1712919 iterations.


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 French+Hinxton4+Hinxton4+Hinxton4 @ 3.481326
2 Hinxton4+Hinxton4+Hinxton4+North_Italian @ 3.491316
3 Hinxton4+Hinxton4+Hinxton4+Montenegrin @ 3.495016
4 SE_English+SE_English+SE_English+SE_English @ 3.497351
5 Hinxton4+SE_English+SE_English+SE_English @ 3.50291
6 Hinxton4+Hinxton4+SE_English+SE_English @ 3.509081
7 Hinxton4+Hinxton4+Hinxton4+LBA_Hungary @ 3.516674
8 Hinxton4+Hinxton4+Hinxton4+SE_English @ 3.518899
9 SE_English+SE_English+SE_English+SW_English @ 3.527956
10 Hinxton4+Hinxton4+Hinxton4+Spanish_Pais_Vasco @ 3.528884
11 Hinxton4+Hinxton4+Hinxton4+Hinxton4 @ 3.529354
12 Hinxton4+SE_English+SE_English+SW_English @ 3.529539
13 Hinxton4+Hinxton4+Hinxton4+Macedonian @ 3.529798
14 Orcadian+SE_English+SE_English+SE_English @ 3.530096
15 Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Stuttgart @ 3.530839
16 Hinxton4+Hinxton4+SE_English+SW_English @ 3.532131
17 Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Neolithic_Hungary @ 3.533967
18 SE_English+SE_English+SE_English+West_Scottish @ 3.536073
19 Hinxton4+Hinxton4+Hinxton4+SW_English @ 3.538431
20 Hinxton4+SE_English+SE_English+West_Scottish @ 3.54145
21 Hinxton4+Orcadian+SE_English+SE_English @ 3.541868
22 Polish+SE_English+SE_English+SE_English @ 3.543926
23 Basque_French+Hinxton4+Hinxton4+Hinxton4 @ 3.544765
24 Hinxton4+Hinxton4+Lithuanian+North_Italian @ 3.54742
25 Croatian+Hinxton4+Hinxton4+Hinxton4 @ 3.549097
26 Hinxton4+Hinxton4+SE_English+West_Scottish @ 3.550261
27 Hinxton4+Hinxton4+SW_English+SW_English @ 3.55451
28 Hinxton4+SE_English+SW_English+SW_English @ 3.555433
29 Hinxton4+Hinxton4+Orcadian+SE_English @ 3.556725
30 SE_English+SE_English+SW_English+SW_English @ 3.557713
31 Orcadian+SE_English+SE_English+SW_English @ 3.558454
32 French+Hinxton4+Hinxton4+SE_English @ 3.559874
33 Hinxton4+Hinxton4+SE_English+Utah_USA @ 3.56081
34 Hinxton4+Hinxton4+Hinxton4+Utah_USA @ 3.561851
35 Hinxton4+Hinxton4+Hinxton4+West_Scottish @ 3.563655
36 SE_English+SE_English+SW_English+West_Scottish @ 3.563745
37 Hinxton4+SE_English+SE_English+Utah_USA @ 3.564412
38 Orcadian+Orcadian+SE_English+SE_English @ 3.564467
39 Hinxton4+SE_English+SW_English+West_Scottish @ 3.565423
40 French+Hinxton4+Hinxton4+West_Scottish @ 3.565657
15333128 iterations.

Your mother's modern Oracles.



Least-squares method.


Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 1.486099
2 West_Scottish @ 1.684209
3 Orcadian @ 2.210182
4 Utah_German @ 2.362222
5 SE_English @ 2.861192
6 Utah_USA @ 2.864634
7 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2.890951
8 SW_English @ 3.010419
9 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.537076
10 Norwegian @ 3.948525
11 Utah_Scandinavian @ 3.981686
12 Ukrainian_Kharkov @ 4.1238
13 Moldavian @ 4.905305
14 Russian_Voronez @ 5.086061
15 Hinxton4 @ 5.425271
16 Polish @ 5.56626
17 Hungarian @ 5.612457
18 Russian_Orel @ 5.815152
19 Swedish @ 5.880355
20 Russian_Kursk @ 5.943471
163 iterations.


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Hungarian+Polish @ 0.882988
2 Lithuanian+Serbian @ 0.924255
3 Belorussian+Hungarian @ 1.09966
4 Ukrainian_Lviv+West_Scottish @ 1.174581
5 Hungarian+Russian_Smolensk @ 1.199938
6 Croatian+Polish_Estonian @ 1.265479
7 Ukrainian_Belgorod+Utah_USA @ 1.275187
8 Croatian+Russian_Smolensk @ 1.283637
9 Belorussian+Croatian @ 1.289322
10 Hungarian+Russian_Voronez @ 1.291805
11 Hinxton4+Moldavian @ 1.300712
12 Orcadian+Ukrainian_Lviv @ 1.342025
13 Ukrainian_Lviv+Utah_German @ 1.350992
14 Lithuanian+Montenegrin @ 1.407908
15 Moldavian+Norwegian @ 1.437964
16 Ukrainian_Poltava+Utah_USA @ 1.441603
17 SE_English+Ukrainian_Lviv @ 1.457602
18 Ukrainian_Lviv+Utah_USA @ 1.464997
19 Hungarian+Swedish @ 1.475314
20 SW_English+Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.481293
13366 iterations.


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Lithuanian +25% Greek +25% Polish @ 0.668552
2 50% Lithuanian +25% Central_Greek +25% Polish @ 0.708233
3 50% Polish +25% Kosovar +25% Lithuanian @ 0.721164
4 50% Lithuanian +25% Belorussian +25% Greek @ 0.753201
5 50% Polish +25% Montenegrin +25% Polish @ 0.760721
6 50% Polish +25% Macedonian +25% Polish @ 0.762947
7 50% Lithuanian +25% Greek_Thessaly +25% West_Scottish @ 0.777768
8 50% Lithuanian +25% Belorussian +25% Central_Greek @ 0.780409
9 50% Polish +25% Belorussian +25% Macedonian @ 0.780726
10 50% Lithuanian +25% Croatian +25% Romanian @ 0.78203
11 50% Lithuanian +25% Greek +25% Russian_Smolensk @ 0.785952
12 50% Polish +25% Macedonian +25% Russian_Smolensk @ 0.789547
13 50% Lithuanian +25% Central_Greek +25% Russian_Smolensk @ 0.793211
14 50% Lithuanian +25% Croatian +25% Macedonian @ 0.808849
15 50% Lithuanian +25% Central_Greek +25% Swedish @ 0.813526
16 50% Lithuanian +25% Bosnian +25% Montenegrin @ 0.817791
17 50% Lithuanian +25% Greek +25% Russian_Voronez @ 0.820099
18 50% Lithuanian +25% Bulgarian +25% Croatian @ 0.82059
19 50% Polish +25% Montenegrin +25% Russian_Voronez @ 0.822211
20 50% Polish +25% Polish +25% Romanian @ 0.837041
1100496 iterations.


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Greek+Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Polish @ 0.668552
2 Central_Greek+Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Polish @ 0.708233
3 Kosovar+Lithuanian+Polish+Polish @ 0.721164
4 Belorussian+Greek+Lithuanian+Lithuanian @ 0.753201
5 Montenegrin+Polish+Polish+Polish @ 0.760721
6 Macedonian+Polish+Polish+Polish @ 0.762947
7 Lithuanian+Macedonian+Ukrainian_Belgorod+West_Scot tish @ 0.767979
8 Belorussian+Kosovar+Lithuanian+Polish @ 0.773974
9 Greek_Thessaly+Lithuanian+Lithuanian+West_Scottish @ 0.777768
10 Belorussian+Central_Greek+Lithuanian+Lithuanian @ 0.780409
11 Belorussian+Macedonian+Polish+Polish @ 0.780726
12 Croatian+Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Romanian @ 0.78203
13 Greek+Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Russian_Smolensk @ 0.785952
14 Macedonian+Polish+Polish+Russian_Smolensk @ 0.789547
15 Georgian_Laz+Motala12+SE_English+West_Scottish @ 0.792158
16 Kosovar+Lithuanian+Polish+Russian_Smolensk @ 0.792831
17 Central_Greek+Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Russian_Smolen sk @ 0.793211
18 Bulgarian+Lithuanian+Polish+West_Scottish @ 0.805448
19 Georgian_Laz+Motala12+SW_English+West_Scottish @ 0.808672
20 Georgian_Laz+Motala12+Utah_USA+West_Scottish @ 0.808685
21 Croatian+Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Macedonian @ 0.808849
22 Central_Greek+Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Swedish @ 0.813526
23 Bosnian+Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Montenegrin @ 0.817791
24 Greek+Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Russian_Voronez @ 0.820099
25 Bulgarian+Croatian+Lithuanian+Lithuanian @ 0.82059
26 Montenegrin+Polish+Polish+Russian_Voronez @ 0.822211
27 Georgian_Laz+Motala12+Utah_German+West_Scottish @ 0.8258
28 Lithuanian+Macedonian+Russian_Voronez+West_Scottis h @ 0.827572
29 Lithuanian+Macedonian+Orcadian+Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 0.832467
30 Kosovar+Lithuanian+Polish+Russian_Voronez @ 0.836447
31 Polish+Polish+Polish+Romanian @ 0.837041
32 Georgian_Laz+Hinxton4+Hungarian+Motala12 @ 0.841484
33 Lithuanian+Montenegrin+Ukrainian_Belgorod+West_Sco ttish @ 0.843172
34 Belorussian+Belorussian+Macedonian+Polish @ 0.849426
35 Georgian_Laz+Motala12+West_Scottish+West_Scottish @ 0.849735
36 Hinxton4+Montenegrin+Polish+Russian_Kursk @ 0.850513
37 Croatian+Croatian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 0.853745
38 Central_Greek+Hinxton4+Lithuanian+Lithuanian @ 0.854542
39 Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Romanian+Serbian_Bosnia @ 0.855542
40 Georgian_Laz+Motala12+Orcadian+West_Scottish @ 0.8607
4786755 iterations.




Gaussian method.
Noise dispersion set to 0.676116


Using 1 population approximation:
1 SE_English @ 2.825048
2 SW_English @ 3.013062
3 Orcadian @ 3.023424
4 West_Scottish @ 3.08242
5 Utah_USA @ 3.185
6 Norwegian @ 3.406328
7 Hinxton4 @ 3.513074
8 Utah_German @ 3.520286
9 Polish @ 3.603969
10 Utah_Scandinavian @ 3.70808
11 Swedish @ 3.731742
12 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.909772
13 Croatian @ 3.996531
14 Hungarian @ 4.030543
15 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 4.146384
16 Serbian_Bosnia @ 4.171816
17 Belorussian @ 4.245942
18 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 4.27315
19 Russian_Smolensk @ 4.284336
20 French @ 4.429663
163 iterations.


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 SE_English+SE_English @ 2.825048
2 Orcadian+SE_English @ 2.919237
3 SE_English+SW_English @ 2.922506
4 SE_English+West_Scottish @ 2.950666
5 Orcadian+SW_English @ 3.001846
6 Polish+SE_English @ 3.009266
7 SW_English+SW_English @ 3.013062
8 SE_English+Utah_USA @ 3.01772
9 Orcadian+Orcadian @ 3.023424
10 SW_English+West_Scottish @ 3.02933
11 Norwegian+SE_English @ 3.031169
12 Orcadian+West_Scottish @ 3.055039
13 Lithuanian+Macedonian @ 3.061996
14 Lithuanian+Montenegrin @ 3.064194
15 Lithuanian+Serbian_Bosnia @ 3.071979
16 Polish+SW_English @ 3.08002
17 Orcadian+Utah_USA @ 3.08033
18 Hinxton4+SE_English @ 3.081062
19 West_Scottish+West_Scottish @ 3.08242
20 Polish+Serbian_Bosnia @ 3.089827
13366 iterations.


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% SE_English +25% Polish +25% SE_English @ 2.85176
2 50% Lithuanian +25% Kosovar +25% SE_English @ 2.851839
3 50% Lithuanian +25% Lithuanian +25% Stuttgart @ 2.854864
4 50% SE_English +25% Orcadian +25% SE_English @ 2.871002
5 50% SE_English +25% SE_English +25% SW_English @ 2.874718
6 50% SE_English +25% Lithuanian +25% Serbian_Bosnia @ 2.880284
7 50% SE_English +25% SE_English +25% West_Scottish @ 2.887152
8 50% Lithuanian +25% Lithuanian +25% Neolithic_Hungary @ 2.887466
9 50% Lithuanian +25% Kosovar +25% SW_English @ 2.895052
10 50% SE_English +25% Polish +25% SW_English @ 2.895478
11 50% SE_English +25% Lithuanian +25% Macedonian @ 2.898993
12 50% SE_English +25% Norwegian +25% SE_English @ 2.902855
13 50% SE_English +25% Croatian +25% Lithuanian @ 2.907741
14 50% Lithuanian +25% North_Italian +25% SE_English @ 2.914197
15 50% SE_English +25% Lithuanian +25% Montenegrin @ 2.9156
16 50% SE_English +25% Orcadian +25% SW_English @ 2.916684
17 50% Orcadian +25% SE_English +25% SE_English @ 2.919237
18 50% SE_English +25% SW_English +25% SW_English @ 2.922506
19 50% SE_English +25% SE_English +25% Utah_USA @ 2.92512
20 50% SE_English +25% Orcadian +25% Polish @ 2.930742
1679635 iterations.


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 SE_English+SE_English+SE_English+SE_English @ 2.825048
2 Polish+SE_English+SE_English+SE_English @ 2.85176
3 Kosovar+Lithuanian+Lithuanian+SE_English @ 2.851839
4 Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Stuttgart @ 2.854864
5 Orcadian+SE_English+SE_English+SE_English @ 2.871002
6 SE_English+SE_English+SE_English+SW_English @ 2.874718
7 Lithuanian+SE_English+SE_English+Serbian_Bosnia @ 2.880284
8 SE_English+SE_English+SE_English+West_Scottish @ 2.887152
9 Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Neolithic_Hungary @ 2.887466
10 Kosovar+Lithuanian+Lithuanian+SW_English @ 2.895052
11 Polish+SE_English+SE_English+SW_English @ 2.895478
12 Lithuanian+Macedonian+SE_English+SE_English @ 2.898993
13 Norwegian+SE_English+SE_English+SE_English @ 2.902855
14 Croatian+Lithuanian+SE_English+SE_English @ 2.907741
15 Lithuanian+Lithuanian+North_Italian+SE_English @ 2.914197
16 Lithuanian+Montenegrin+SE_English+SE_English @ 2.9156
17 Orcadian+SE_English+SE_English+SW_English @ 2.916684
18 Orcadian+Orcadian+SE_English+SE_English @ 2.919237
19 SE_English+SE_English+SW_English+SW_English @ 2.922506
20 Lithuanian+SE_English+Serbian_Bosnia+SW_English @ 2.92394
21 SE_English+SE_English+SE_English+Utah_USA @ 2.92512
22 Kosovar+Lithuanian+Polish+SE_English @ 2.927258
23 Orcadian+Polish+SE_English+SE_English @ 2.930742
24 SE_English+SE_English+SW_English+West_Scottish @ 2.931726
25 Lithuanian+Macedonian+Polish+SE_English @ 2.933926
26 Polish+SE_English+SE_English+Serbian_Bosnia @ 2.933988
27 Orcadian+SE_English+SE_English+West_Scottish @ 2.935632
28 Kosovar+Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Orcadian @ 2.936805
29 Polish+SE_English+SW_English+SW_English @ 2.937601
30 Polish+SE_English+SE_English+Utah_USA @ 2.940993
31 SE_English+SE_English+SE_English+Swedish @ 2.940999
32 Croatian+Polish+SE_English+SE_English @ 2.941269
33 Hinxton4+SE_English+SE_English+SE_English @ 2.941577
34 Lithuanian+SE_English+SE_English+SE_English @ 2.943219
35 Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Neolithic_Hungary+Polish @ 2.944215
36 Lithuanian+North_Italian+Polish+SE_English @ 2.944837
37 Lithuanian+Macedonian+Orcadian+SE_English @ 2.945537
38 Lithuanian+Macedonian+SE_English+SW_English @ 2.945597
39 Norwegian+SE_English+SE_English+SW_English @ 2.948107
40 Kosovar+Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Utah_USA @ 2.948801
14270805 iterations.

Your ancient Euro+Middle eastern oracle.

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Gokhem2 @ 19.598496
2 Yamna @ 22.169069
3 Neolithic_Hungary @ 38.295596
4 Tabassaran @ 40.85161
5 Stuttgart @ 41.215125
6 Kabardin @ 41.854563
7 Kumyk @ 42.318698
8 Chechen @ 42.715211
9 Lezgin @ 43.011773
10 Balkar @ 43.799877
11 Adygei @ 44.356513
12 North_Ossetian @ 44.517495
13 Moroccan @ 45.612178
14 Turkish @ 46.709286
15 Ossetian @ 46.718483
16 Mozabite_Berber @ 47.625353
17 Tunisian @ 47.950513
18 Azeri @ 51.162624
19 Cyprian @ 52.825748
20 Motala12 @ 53.648987
42 iterations.


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Armenian+Motala12 @ 2.82384
2 Georgian_Laz+Motala12 @ 3.116566
3 Georgian_Jewish+Motala12 @ 3.284708
4 Lebanese_Muslim+Motala12 @ 4.016051
5 Cyprian+Motala12 @ 4.407487
6 Iranian_Jewish+Motala12 @ 4.426865
7 Druze+Motala12 @ 4.518174
8 Georgian_Imer+Motala12 @ 4.691426
9 Kurdish+Motala12 @ 4.818012
10 Motala12+Syrian @ 4.968753
11 Iraqi_Jewish+Motala12 @ 5.356397
12 Abkhasian+Motala12 @ 5.652869
13 Lebanese_Christian+Motala12 @ 5.664547
14 Motala12+Turkish @ 6.016717
15 Azeri+Motala12 @ 6.238602
16 Iranian+Motala12 @ 6.507297
17 Jordanian+Motala12 @ 6.571755
18 Motala12+Palestinian @ 7.09867
19 Georgian_Imer+Loschbour @ 7.598522
20 Motala12+Samaritan @ 8.299556
903 iterations.


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Motala12 +25% Cyprian +25% Georgian_Imer @ 1.770238
2 50% Motala12 +25% Cyprian +25% Georgian_Laz @ 1.971757
3 50% Motala12 +25% Abkhasian +25% Cyprian @ 2.128782
4 50% Motala12 +25% Cyprian +25% Kurdish @ 2.342713
5 50% Yamna +25% Loschbour +25% Neolithic_Hungary @ 2.42615
6 50% Motala12 +25% Armenian +25% Cyprian @ 2.466396
7 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Loschbour +25% Motala12 @ 2.58169
8 50% Motala12 +25% Adygei +25% Samaritan @ 2.593839
9 50% Motala12 +25% Chechen +25% Samaritan @ 2.617811
10 50% Motala12 +25% Abkhasian +25% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.621513
11 50% Yamna +25% Loschbour +25% Stuttgart @ 2.648431
12 50% Motala12 +25% Georgian_Laz +25% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.693982
13 50% Motala12 +25% Druze +25% Georgian_Laz @ 2.776324
14 50% Motala12 +25% Abkhasian +25% Druze @ 2.781738
15 50% Armenian +25% Motala12 +25% Motala12 @ 2.82384
16 50% Motala12 +25% Lezgin +25% Samaritan @ 2.845391
17 50% Motala12 +25% Druze +25% Georgian_Imer @ 2.870983
18 50% Motala12 +25% Armenian +25% Georgian_Laz @ 2.881779
19 50% Motala12 +25% Armenian +25% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.905072
20 50% Motala12 +25% Cyprian +25% Georgian_Jewish @ 2.928818
35320 iterations.


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Cyprian+Georgian_Imer+Motala12+Motala12 @ 1.770238
2 Cyprian+Georgian_Laz+Motala12+Motala12 @ 1.971757
3 Abkhasian+Cyprian+Motala12+Motala12 @ 2.128782
4 Cyprian+Kurdish+Motala12+Motala12 @ 2.342713
5 Loschbour+Neolithic_Hungary+Yamna+Yamna @ 2.42615
6 Armenian+Cyprian+Motala12+Motala12 @ 2.466396
7 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Loschbour+Motala12 @ 2.58169
8 Adygei+Motala12+Motala12+Samaritan @ 2.593839
9 Chechen+Motala12+Motala12+Samaritan @ 2.617811
10 Abkhasian+Lebanese_Christian+Motala12+Motala12 @ 2.621513
11 Loschbour+Stuttgart+Yamna+Yamna @ 2.648431
12 Georgian_Laz+Lebanese_Muslim+Motala12+Motala12 @ 2.693982
13 Gokhem2+Lezgin+Loschbour+Yamna @ 2.696933
14 Druze+Georgian_Laz+Motala12+Motala12 @ 2.776324
15 Abkhasian+Druze+Motala12+Motala12 @ 2.781738
16 Armenian+Armenian+Motala12+Motala12 @ 2.82384
17 Lezgin+Motala12+Motala12+Samaritan @ 2.845391
18 Druze+Georgian_Imer+Motala12+Motala12 @ 2.870983
19 Armenian+Georgian_Laz+Motala12+Motala12 @ 2.881779
20 Armenian+Lebanese_Muslim+Motala12+Motala12 @ 2.905072
21 Cyprian+Georgian_Jewish+Motala12+Motala12 @ 2.928818
22 Kurdish+Lebanese_Christian+Motala12+Motala12 @ 2.95499
23 Georgian_Imer+Lebanese_Muslim+Motala12+Motala12 @ 2.955562
24 Adygei+Lebanese_Christian+Motala12+Motala12 @ 2.964687
25 Georgian_Jewish+Georgian_Laz+Motala12+Motala12 @ 2.966033
26 Druze+Kurdish+Motala12+Motala12 @ 2.967062
27 Gokhem2+Loschbour+Tabassaran+Yamna @ 3.012677
28 Armenian+Georgian_Jewish+Motala12+Motala12 @ 3.020229
29 Chechen+Gokhem2+Loschbour+Yamna @ 3.022083
30 Motala12+Motala12+North_Ossetian+Samaritan @ 3.022592
31 Motala12+Motala12+Ossetian+Samaritan @ 3.023621
32 Kabardin+Motala12+Motala12+Samaritan @ 3.049094
33 Lebanese_Christian+Motala12+Motala12+Turkish @ 3.064751
34 Georgian_Imer+Lebanese_Christian+Motala12+Motala12 @ 3.069618
35 Balkar+Motala12+Motala12+Samaritan @ 3.070639
36 Cyprian+Iranian+Motala12+Motala12 @ 3.083298
37 Lebanese_Christian+Motala12+Motala12+Ossetian @ 3.089236
38 Iraqi_Jewish+Motala12+Motala12+Turkish @ 3.116357
39 Georgian_Laz+Georgian_Laz+Motala12+Motala12 @ 3.116566
40 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Laz+Loschbour+Motala12 @ 3.118271
111057 iterations.




Gaussian method.
Noise dispersion set to 0.676116


Using 1 population approximation:
1 Yamna @ 7.18391
2 Tabassaran @ 16.525225
3 Kabardin @ 17.52691
4 Chechen @ 17.549339
5 Lezgin @ 18.021907
6 Kumyk @ 18.164956
7 Adygei @ 19.089588
8 Balkar @ 19.371571
9 Cyprian @ 19.802895
10 Turkish @ 20.000603
11 North_Ossetian @ 20.079798
12 Ossetian @ 22.034034
13 Lebanese_Muslim @ 25.00034
14 Druze @ 26.30658
15 Lebanese_Christian @ 28.059415
16 Syrian @ 28.37956
17 Jordanian @ 28.447683
18 Palestinian @ 28.747989
19 Azeri @ 28.906504
20 Tunisian @ 29.971771
42 iterations.


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Georgian_Laz+Motala12 @ 4.122124
2 Gokhem2+Yamna @ 4.138297
3 Armenian+Motala12 @ 4.244435
4 Georgian_Imer+Motala12 @ 4.398771
5 Cyprian+Motala12 @ 4.537299
6 Georgian_Jewish+Motala12 @ 4.635077
7 Georgian_Imer+Loschbour @ 4.692396
8 Abkhasian+Motala12 @ 4.704226
9 Abkhasian+Loschbour @ 4.866577
10 Iraqi_Jewish+Motala12 @ 4.891146
11 Iranian_Jewish+Motala12 @ 4.985202
12 Kurdish+Motala12 @ 5.031325
13 Lebanese_Christian+Motala12 @ 5.118598
14 Georgian_Laz+Loschbour @ 5.165346
15 Druze+Motala12 @ 5.275774
16 Chechen+Motala12 @ 5.527126
17 Lebanese_Muslim+Motala12 @ 5.542207
18 Motala12+Stuttgart @ 5.552296
19 Motala12+Samaritan @ 5.600619
20 Kurdish+Loschbour @ 5.632404
903 iterations.


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Yamna +25% Loschbour +25% Neolithic_Hungary @ 1.97024
2 50% Yamna +25% Loschbour +25% Stuttgart @ 2.007625
3 50% Yamna +25% Motala12 +25% Neolithic_Hungary @ 2.732181
4 50% Yamna +25% Motala12 +25% Stuttgart @ 2.838805
5 50% Yamna +25% Gokhem2 +25% Motala12 @ 3.124614
6 50% Yamna +25% Loschbour +25% Yamna @ 3.230257
7 50% Yamna +25% Gokhem2 +25% Loschbour @ 3.245998
8 50% Yamna +25% Cyprian +25% Loschbour @ 3.534192
9 50% Yamna +25% Georgian_Laz +25% Loschbour @ 3.785863
10 50% Yamna +25% Armenian +25% Loschbour @ 3.851365
11 50% Motala12 +25% Georgian_Imer +25% Stuttgart @ 3.904341
12 50% Neolithic_Hungary +25% Motala12 +25% Yamna @ 3.923533
13 50% Motala12 +25% Georgian_Laz +25% Stuttgart @ 3.964311
14 50% Motala12 +25% Georgian_Imer +25% Neolithic_Hungary @ 3.973396
15 50% Yamna +25% Georgian_Imer +25% Loschbour @ 3.992936
16 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Loschbour +25% Motala12 @ 4.028986
17 50% Motala12 +25% Georgian_Laz +25% Neolithic_Hungary @ 4.034019
18 50% Georgian_Laz +25% Loschbour +25% Motala12 @ 4.045555
19 50% Yamna +25% Chechen +25% Loschbour @ 4.083354
20 50% Yamna +25% Abkhasian +25% Loschbour @ 4.089577
36477 iterations.


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Loschbour+Neolithic_Hungary+Yamna+Yamna @ 1.97024
2 Loschbour+Stuttgart+Yamna+Yamna @ 2.007625
3 Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary+Yamna+Yamna @ 2.732181
4 Motala12+Stuttgart+Yamna+Yamna @ 2.838805
5 Gokhem2+Motala12+Yamna+Yamna @ 3.124614
6 Loschbour+Yamna+Yamna+Yamna @ 3.230257
7 Gokhem2+Loschbour+Yamna+Yamna @ 3.245998
8 Gokhem2+Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary+Yamna @ 3.522957
9 Cyprian+Loschbour+Yamna+Yamna @ 3.534192
10 Gokhem2+Motala12+Stuttgart+Yamna @ 3.536704
11 Gokhem2+Lezgin+Loschbour+Yamna @ 3.757235
12 Georgian_Laz+Loschbour+Yamna+Yamna @ 3.785863
13 Chechen+Gokhem2+Loschbour+Yamna @ 3.789495
14 Armenian+Loschbour+Yamna+Yamna @ 3.851365
15 Gokhem2+Loschbour+Tabassaran+Yamna @ 3.864428
16 Georgian_Imer+Gokhem2+Loschbour+Yamna @ 3.873247
17 Loschbour+Neolithic_Hungary+Tabassaran+Yamna @ 3.893321
18 Lezgin+Loschbour+Neolithic_Hungary+Yamna @ 3.898224
19 Georgian_Imer+Motala12+Motala12+Stuttgart @ 3.904341
20 Abkhasian+Gokhem2+Loschbour+Yamna @ 3.906574
21 Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary+Neolithic_Hungary+Yamna @ 3.923533
22 Chechen+Loschbour+Neolithic_Hungary+Yamna @ 3.947263
23 Georgian_Laz+Gokhem2+Motala12+Yamna @ 3.948874
24 Georgian_Laz+Motala12+Motala12+Stuttgart @ 3.964311
25 Georgian_Imer+Motala12+Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary @ 3.973396
26 Georgian_Laz+Gokhem2+Loschbour+Yamna @ 3.977268
27 Georgian_Imer+Loschbour+Yamna+Yamna @ 3.992936
28 Loschbour+Stuttgart+Tabassaran+Yamna @ 3.995703
29 Lezgin+Loschbour+Stuttgart+Yamna @ 4.012698
30 Chechen+Gokhem2+Motala12+Yamna @ 4.015327
31 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Laz+Loschbour+Motala12 @ 4.019678
32 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Loschbour+Motala12 @ 4.028986
33 Georgian_Laz+Motala12+Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary @ 4.034019
34 Georgian_Laz+Georgian_Laz+Loschbour+Motala12 @ 4.045555
35 Cyprian+Gokhem2+Motala12+Yamna @ 4.051169
36 Georgian_Imer+Gokhem2+Motala12+Yamna @ 4.051187
37 Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary+Stuttgart+Yamna @ 4.057439
38 Gokhem2+Lezgin+Motala12+Yamna @ 4.058274
39 Chechen+Loschbour+Stuttgart+Yamna @ 4.061554
40 Armenian+Gokhem2+Motala12+Yamna @ 4.075823
139895 iterations.

Your Mother's Ancient Euro+Modern Middle eastern oracle.

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Gokhem2 @ 20.07904
2 Yamna @ 21.065637
3 Neolithic_Hungary @ 37.886682
4 Tabassaran @ 39.654377
5 Kabardin @ 40.70612
6 Stuttgart @ 40.761691
7 Kumyk @ 41.154121
8 Chechen @ 41.556707
9 Lezgin @ 41.83942
10 Balkar @ 42.640757
11 Adygei @ 43.222982
12 North_Ossetian @ 43.363598
13 Moroccan @ 44.928307
14 Ossetian @ 45.574577
15 Turkish @ 45.682708
16 Mozabite_Berber @ 46.938995
17 Tunisian @ 47.238791
18 Azeri @ 50.083548
19 Cyprian @ 52.040397
20 Iranian @ 52.621672
42 iterations.


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Armenian+Motala12 @ 1.623972
2 Georgian_Laz+Motala12 @ 1.877824
3 Georgian_Jewish+Motala12 @ 2.318322
4 Iranian_Jewish+Motala12 @ 3.332367
5 Georgian_Imer+Motala12 @ 3.556758
6 Kurdish+Motala12 @ 3.930441
7 Lebanese_Muslim+Motala12 @ 4.05284
8 Druze+Motala12 @ 4.512354
9 Iraqi_Jewish+Motala12 @ 4.532243
10 Motala12+Syrian @ 4.80583
11 Abkhasian+Motala12 @ 4.867905
12 Cyprian+Motala12 @ 5.171323
13 Lebanese_Christian+Motala12 @ 5.67914
14 Iranian+Motala12 @ 5.702206
15 Azeri+Motala12 @ 5.726169
16 Motala12+Turkish @ 6.105088
17 Jordanian+Motala12 @ 6.566455
18 Motala12+Palestinian @ 7.139195
19 Motala12+Samaritan @ 8.168604
20 Motala12+Ossetian @ 8.285905
903 iterations.


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Motala12 +25% Cyprian +25% Georgian_Imer @ 1.453474
2 50% Motala12 +25% Armenian +25% Georgian_Laz @ 1.594639
3 50% Armenian +25% Motala12 +25% Motala12 @ 1.623972
4 50% Motala12 +25% Abkhasian +25% Lebanese_Christian @ 1.681038
5 50% Motala12 +25% Georgian_Jewish +25% Georgian_Laz @ 1.731076
6 50% Georgian_Laz +25% Motala12 +25% Motala12 @ 1.877824
7 50% Motala12 +25% Druze +25% Georgian_Imer @ 1.880633
8 50% Motala12 +25% Abkhasian +25% Druze @ 1.892768
9 50% Motala12 +25% Armenian +25% Georgian_Jewish @ 1.93547
10 50% Motala12 +25% Abkhasian +25% Cyprian @ 2.015148
11 50% Motala12 +25% Georgian_Imer +25% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.050438
12 50% Motala12 +25% Georgian_Laz +25% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.076676
13 50% Motala12 +25% Cyprian +25% Georgian_Laz @ 2.110158
14 50% Motala12 +25% Druze +25% Georgian_Laz @ 2.142034
15 50% Motala12 +25% Georgian_Imer +25% Georgian_Jewish @ 2.189996
16 50% Motala12 +25% Georgian_Imer +25% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.19678
17 50% Motala12 +25% Druze +25% Kurdish @ 2.212405
18 50% Motala12 +25% Kurdish +25% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.220878
19 50% Motala12 +25% Armenian +25% Georgian_Imer @ 2.239228
20 50% Motala12 +25% Georgian_Laz +25% Iranian_Jewish @ 2.249259
34780 iterations.


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Cyprian+Georgian_Imer+Motala12+Motala12 @ 1.453474
2 Armenian+Georgian_Laz+Motala12+Motala12 @ 1.594639
3 Armenian+Armenian+Motala12+Motala12 @ 1.623972
4 Abkhasian+Lebanese_Christian+Motala12+Motala12 @ 1.681038
5 Georgian_Jewish+Georgian_Laz+Motala12+Motala12 @ 1.731076
6 Georgian_Laz+Georgian_Laz+Motala12+Motala12 @ 1.877824
7 Druze+Georgian_Imer+Motala12+Motala12 @ 1.880633
8 Abkhasian+Druze+Motala12+Motala12 @ 1.892768
9 Armenian+Georgian_Jewish+Motala12+Motala12 @ 1.93547
10 Abkhasian+Cyprian+Motala12+Motala12 @ 2.015148
11 Georgian_Imer+Lebanese_Muslim+Motala12+Motala12 @ 2.050438
12 Georgian_Laz+Lebanese_Muslim+Motala12+Motala12 @ 2.076676
13 Cyprian+Georgian_Laz+Motala12+Motala12 @ 2.110158
14 Druze+Georgian_Laz+Motala12+Motala12 @ 2.142034
15 Gokhem2+Kabardin+Motala12+Yamna @ 2.156181
16 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Jewish+Motala12+Motala12 @ 2.189996
17 Georgian_Imer+Lebanese_Christian+Motala12+Motala12 @ 2.19678
18 Druze+Kurdish+Motala12+Motala12 @ 2.212405
19 Kurdish+Lebanese_Christian+Motala12+Motala12 @ 2.220878
20 Armenian+Georgian_Imer+Motala12+Motala12 @ 2.239228
21 Georgian_Laz+Iranian_Jewish+Motala12+Motala12 @ 2.249259
22 Adygei+Motala12+Motala12+Samaritan @ 2.2536
23 Cyprian+Kurdish+Motala12+Motala12 @ 2.294382
24 Georgian_Jewish+Georgian_Jewish+Motala12+Motala12 @ 2.318322
25 Chechen+Gokhem2+Motala12+Yamna @ 2.321735
26 Georgian_Jewish+Kurdish+Motala12+Motala12 @ 2.322432
27 Adygei+Gokhem2+Motala12+Yamna @ 2.34172
28 Gokhem2+Kumyk+Motala12+Yamna @ 2.343673
29 Armenian+Kurdish+Motala12+Motala12 @ 2.364382
30 Chechen+Motala12+Motala12+Samaritan @ 2.369566
31 Motala12+Motala12+Ossetian+Samaritan @ 2.432671
32 Armenian+Lebanese_Muslim+Motala12+Motala12 @ 2.432997
33 Armenian+Iranian_Jewish+Motala12+Motala12 @ 2.436612
34 Abkhasian+Iraqi_Jewish+Motala12+Motala12 @ 2.479289
35 Iraqi_Jewish+Motala12+Motala12+Turkish @ 2.484432
36 Abkhasian+Georgian_Jewish+Motala12+Motala12 @ 2.485314
37 Balkar+Gokhem2+Motala12+Yamna @ 2.496838
38 Abkhasian+Lebanese_Muslim+Motala12+Motala12 @ 2.505175
39 Lezgin+Motala12+Motala12+Samaritan @ 2.52915
40 Iraqi_Jewish+Kurdish+Motala12+Motala12 @ 2.546575
110381 iterations.




Gaussian method.
Noise dispersion set to 0.676116


Using 1 population approximation:
1 Yamna @ 7.195278
2 Tabassaran @ 16.940101
3 Kabardin @ 18.022319
4 Chechen @ 18.029755
5 Lezgin @ 18.525158
6 Kumyk @ 18.694455
7 Adygei @ 19.669362
8 Balkar @ 19.965645
9 Cyprian @ 20.646598
10 Turkish @ 20.674015
11 North_Ossetian @ 20.710995
12 Ossetian @ 22.767474
13 Lebanese_Muslim @ 26.014524
14 Druze @ 27.421355
15 Lebanese_Christian @ 29.315877
16 Syrian @ 29.538158
17 Jordanian @ 29.653618
18 Azeri @ 29.9964
19 Palestinian @ 30.006709
20 Tunisian @ 32.224822
42 iterations.


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Georgian_Laz+Motala12 @ 3.42057
2 Armenian+Motala12 @ 3.616989
3 Georgian_Imer+Motala12 @ 3.756436
4 Gokhem2+Yamna @ 4.041128
5 Georgian_Jewish+Motala12 @ 4.13914
6 Abkhasian+Motala12 @ 4.150691
7 Cyprian+Motala12 @ 4.40035
8 Iraqi_Jewish+Motala12 @ 4.457622
9 Georgian_Imer+Loschbour @ 4.488781
10 Iranian_Jewish+Motala12 @ 4.549135
11 Kurdish+Motala12 @ 4.578134
12 Abkhasian+Loschbour @ 4.670589
13 Lebanese_Christian+Motala12 @ 4.997838
14 Druze+Motala12 @ 5.080529
15 Georgian_Laz+Loschbour @ 5.11033
16 Chechen+Motala12 @ 5.262106
17 Lebanese_Muslim+Motala12 @ 5.396
18 Adygei+Motala12 @ 5.397708
19 Lezgin+Motala12 @ 5.466657
20 Motala12+Ossetian @ 5.543237
903 iterations.


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Yamna +25% Loschbour +25% Stuttgart @ 1.703955
2 50% Yamna +25% Loschbour +25% Neolithic_Hungary @ 1.71216
3 50% Yamna +25% Motala12 +25% Neolithic_Hungary @ 2.359949
4 50% Yamna +25% Motala12 +25% Stuttgart @ 2.472703
5 50% Yamna +25% Georgian_Laz +25% Loschbour @ 2.886795
6 50% Yamna +25% Armenian +25% Loschbour @ 3.007905
7 50% Yamna +25% Cyprian +25% Loschbour @ 3.025886
8 50% Yamna +25% Gokhem2 +25% Motala12 @ 3.107603
9 50% Yamna +25% Loschbour +25% Yamna @ 3.144373
10 50% Yamna +25% Georgian_Imer +25% Loschbour @ 3.17301
11 50% Yamna +25% Abkhasian +25% Loschbour @ 3.257054
12 50% Yamna +25% Chechen +25% Loschbour @ 3.294126
13 50% Yamna +25% Georgian_Jewish +25% Loschbour @ 3.378266
14 50% Yamna +25% Lezgin +25% Loschbour @ 3.4028
15 50% Georgian_Laz +25% Motala12 +25% Motala12 @ 3.42057
16 50% Georgian_Imer +25% Loschbour +25% Motala12 @ 3.433262
17 50% Yamna +25% Gokhem2 +25% Loschbour @ 3.459179
18 50% Motala12 +25% Georgian_Imer +25% Stuttgart @ 3.507811
19 50% Motala12 +25% Armenian +25% Georgian_Laz @ 3.514339
20 50% Georgian_Laz +25% Loschbour +25% Motala12 @ 3.524899
36463 iterations.


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Loschbour+Stuttgart+Yamna+Yamna @ 1.703955
2 Loschbour+Neolithic_Hungary+Yamna+Yamna @ 1.71216
3 Motala12+Neolithic_Hungary+Yamna+Yamna @ 2.359949
4 Motala12+Stuttgart+Yamna+Yamna @ 2.472703
5 Georgian_Laz+Loschbour+Yamna+Yamna @ 2.886795
6 Armenian+Loschbour+Yamna+Yamna @ 3.007905
7 Cyprian+Loschbour+Yamna+Yamna @ 3.025886
8 Loschbour+Neolithic_Hungary+Tabassaran+Yamna @ 3.105579
9 Gokhem2+Motala12+Yamna+Yamna @ 3.107603
10 Gokhem2+Lezgin+Loschbour+Yamna @ 3.117466
11 Lezgin+Loschbour+Neolithic_Hungary+Yamna @ 3.117821
12 Loschbour+Yamna+Yamna+Yamna @ 3.144373
13 Georgian_Imer+Loschbour+Yamna+Yamna @ 3.17301
14 Chechen+Gokhem2+Loschbour+Yamna @ 3.177021
15 Chechen+Loschbour+Neolithic_Hungary+Yamna @ 3.20508
16 Loschbour+Stuttgart+Tabassaran+Yamna @ 3.235851
17 Georgian_Laz+Gokhem2+Motala12+Yamna @ 3.244002
18 Abkhasian+Loschbour+Yamna+Yamna @ 3.257054
19 Lezgin+Loschbour+Stuttgart+Yamna @ 3.26562
20 Gokhem2+Loschbour+Tabassaran+Yamna @ 3.266886
21 Chechen+Gokhem2+Motala12+Yamna @ 3.278031
22 Chechen+Loschbour+Yamna+Yamna @ 3.294126
23 Abkhasian+Gokhem2+Loschbour+Yamna @ 3.313531
24 Gokhem2+Lezgin+Motala12+Yamna @ 3.33247
25 Georgian_Imer+Gokhem2+Loschbour+Yamna @ 3.334488
26 Chechen+Loschbour+Stuttgart+Yamna @ 3.350096
27 Georgian_Imer+Gokhem2+Motala12+Yamna @ 3.353571
28 Georgian_Jewish+Loschbour+Yamna+Yamna @ 3.378266
29 Abkhasian+Gokhem2+Motala12+Yamna @ 3.382331
30 Lezgin+Loschbour+Yamna+Yamna @ 3.4028
31 Georgian_Laz+Georgian_Laz+Motala12+Motala12 @ 3.42057
32 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Imer+Loschbour+Motala12 @ 3.433262
33 Armenian+Gokhem2+Motala12+Yamna @ 3.443277
34 Gokhem2+Motala12+Tabassaran+Yamna @ 3.453488
35 Georgian_Imer+Georgian_Laz+Loschbour+Motala12 @ 3.454333
36 Gokhem2+Loschbour+Yamna+Yamna @ 3.459179
37 Georgian_Imer+Motala12+Motala12+Stuttgart @ 3.507811
38 Armenian+Georgian_Laz+Motala12+Motala12 @ 3.514339
39 Georgian_Laz+Gokhem2+Loschbour+Yamna @ 3.521444
40 Georgian_Laz+Georgian_Laz+Loschbour+Motala12 @ 3.524899
139895 iterations.

Helgenes50
01-18-2015, 04:14 PM
Could someone give me my oracle, Thank you in advance
My 4 grandparents are Normans

ANE 0.118903
South_Eurasian 1E-005
Near_Eastern 0.423682
East_Eurasian 1E-005
WHG 0.45096
Oceanian 1E-005
Pygmy 0.003352
Sub-Saharan 0.003074

Lower-bound NE

ANE 0.117407
South_Eurasian 0.002567
Near_Eastern 0.385254
East_Eurasian 1E-005
WHG 0.486869
Oceanian 1E-005
Pygmy 0.003556
Sub-Saharan 0.004328

Rukha
01-18-2015, 10:14 PM
Oracle results, thanks to Sein:

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Afghan_Pashtun @ 2.570639
2 Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 5.151887
3 Pashtun @ 5.189239
4 Pathan @ 6.769354
5 Haryana_Jatt @ 11.401237
6 Tadjik @ 11.47218
7 Tabassaran @ 12.523377
8 Lezgin @ 13.724476
9 Burusho @ 14.462697
10 Chechen @ 15.215553
11 Afghan_Uzbeki @ 15.329593
12 Kumyk @ 15.416408
13 Afghan_Tadjik @ 15.710539
14 Balkar @ 15.854762
15 North_Ossetian @ 15.90762
16 Kabardin @ 16.415981
17 Adygei @ 17.217572
18 Ossetian @ 17.734886
19 Qashqai_Azeri_Shirazi_Persian @ 21.054011
20 Turkmen @ 21.433735
21 Azeri @ 23.770035
22 Iranian @ 24.017749
23 Abkhasian @ 24.932864
24 Turkish @ 25.090974
25 Kurdish @ 26.852088
26 South_Indian @ 27.402271
27 Georgian_Imer @ 29.476221
28 Afghan_Turkmen @ 30.941008
29 Georgian_Laz @ 31.665967
30 Armenian @ 34.217576
31 Central_Greek @ 34.389623
32 Ashkenazi @ 35.046615
33 Greek_Thessaly @ 35.244102
34 Greek @ 35.54504
35 Georgian_Jewish @ 35.620626
36 Italian_Abruzzo @ 35.740998
37 Bulgarian @ 35.914722
38 Afghan_Hazara @ 35.944893
39 Kosovar @ 36.153743
40 West_Sicilian @ 36.164303
41 Romanian @ 36.175715
42 East_Sicilian @ 36.295253
43 Uzbeki @ 36.308146
44 Iranian_Jewish @ 36.564769
45 Central_Sicilian @ 36.61361
46 South_Italian @ 36.634392
47 Lebanese_Muslim @ 36.674312
48 Syrian @ 36.715809
49 Sephardic_Jewish @ 37.330656
50 Macedonian @ 37.340936
168 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Burusho+Lezgin @ 2.090258
2 Burusho+Chechen @ 2.427955
3 Afghan_Pashtun+Afghan_Pashtun @ 2.570639
4 Afghan_Pashtun+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 2.977135
5 Burusho+Tabassaran @ 3.158918
6 Adygei+Burusho @ 3.343639
7 Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Pashtun @ 3.389777
8 Pathan+Tabassaran @ 3.617602
9 Afghan_Pashtun+Pashtun @ 3.667201
10 Burusho+North_Ossetian @ 3.720107
11 Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Pathan @ 3.724517
12 Pashtun+Tabassaran @ 3.818747
13 Balkar+Burusho @ 3.860914
14 Burusho+Kumyk @ 4.017029
15 Haryana_Jatt+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.055844
16 Lezgin+Pathan @ 4.086988
17 Burusho+Ossetian @ 4.098732
18 Burusho+Kabardin @ 4.370811
19 Afghan_Pashtun+Pathan @ 4.437772
20 Lezgin+Pashtun @ 4.533501
21 Kumyk+Pathan @ 4.814573
22 Chechen+Pathan @ 4.834354
23 North_Ossetian+Pathan @ 5.111022
24 Balkar+Pathan @ 5.113724
25 Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 5.151887
26 Pashtun+Pashtun @ 5.189239
27 Kabardin+Pathan @ 5.265949
28 Chechen+Pashtun @ 5.338091
29 Haryana_Jatt+Lezgin @ 5.340428
30 Afghan_Pashtun+Tabassaran @ 5.408055
31 Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Tadjik @ 5.430755
32 Haryana_Jatt+North_Ossetian @ 5.611033
33 Pathan+Tadjik @ 5.634612
34 Kumyk+Pashtun @ 5.635435
35 Pashtun+Pathan @ 5.81145
36 Adygei+Pathan @ 5.812808
37 Haryana_Jatt+Ossetian @ 5.885198
38 Balkar+Haryana_Jatt @ 5.897013
39 Chechen+Haryana_Jatt @ 5.897114
40 Pashtun+Tadjik @ 5.933684
41 Balkar+Pashtun @ 5.948241
42 North_Ossetian+Pashtun @ 5.98822
43 Afghan_Pashtun+Tadjik @ 5.99845
44 Afghan_Pashtun+Lezgin @ 6.007921
45 Haryana_Jatt+Tabassaran @ 6.040949
46 Kabardin+Pashtun @ 6.105625
47 Adygei+Haryana_Jatt @ 6.111985
48 Haryana_Jatt+Kumyk @ 6.226024
49 Ossetian+Pathan @ 6.339798
50 Afghan_Pashtun+Haryana_Jatt @ 6.453973
14196 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Pashtun +25% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Tabassaran @ 0.947084
2 50% Pashtun +25% Pashtun +25% Tabassaran @ 1.196171
3 50% Pashtun +25% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Lezgin @ 1.28573
4 50% Pashtun +25% Lezgin +25% Pashtun @ 1.402638
5 50% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Pashtun +25% Tabassaran @ 1.42233
6 50% Pashtun +25% Lezgin +25% Pathan @ 1.43718
7 50% Pashtun +25% Pathan +25% Tabassaran @ 1.455081
8 50% Pashtun +25% Chechen +25% Pathan @ 1.519763
9 50% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Pathan +25% Tabassaran @ 1.552356
10 50% Pashtun +25% Chechen +25% Pashtun @ 1.590709
11 50% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Lezgin +25% Pathan @ 1.672471
12 50% Pashtun +25% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Chechen @ 1.683183
13 50% Pathan +25% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Lezgin @ 1.688564
14 50% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Lezgin +25% Pashtun @ 1.731681
15 50% Pathan +25% Kabardin +25% Pashtun @ 1.737721
16 50% Pashtun +25% Kabardin +25% Pathan @ 1.744932
17 50% Pashtun +25% Kumyk +25% Pathan @ 1.767583
18 50% Pashtun +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun +25% Tabassaran @ 1.776678
19 50% Pathan +25% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Tabassaran @ 1.808812
20 50% Pathan +25% Kumyk +25% Pashtun @ 1.82807
21 50% Pathan +25% Chechen +25% Pashtun @ 1.841363
22 50% Pathan +25% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Chechen @ 1.842204
23 50% Pathan +25% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Kumyk @ 1.855993
24 50% Pathan +25% Lezgin +25% Pashtun @ 1.861503
25 50% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Burusho +25% Lezgin @ 1.863426
26 50% Pathan +25% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Kabardin @ 1.884584
27 50% Pathan +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun +25% Tabassaran @ 1.897212
28 50% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Burusho +25% Chechen @ 1.914473
29 50% Pashtun +25% Adygei +25% Haryana_Jatt @ 1.965771
30 50% Pathan +25% Afghan_Pashtun +25% North_Ossetian @ 1.967144
31 50% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun +25% Burusho +25% Tabassaran @ 1.977197
32 50% Pathan +25% North_Ossetian +25% Pashtun @ 1.978604
33 50% Pashtun +25% Balkar +25% Pathan @ 1.991256
34 50% Pashtun +25% Adygei +25% Pathan @ 1.996378
35 50% Pashtun +25% North_Ossetian +25% Pathan @ 1.996732
36 50% Pashtun +25% Haryana_Jatt +25% Lezgin @ 2.001621
37 50% Pathan +25% Balkar +25% Pashtun @ 2.004806
38 50% Pathan +25% Adygei +25% Pashtun @ 2.019149
39 50% Pathan +25% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Balkar @ 2.020358
40 50% Pathan +25% Pashtun +25% Tabassaran @ 2.026156
41 50% Pashtun +25% Chechen +25% Haryana_Jatt @ 2.036602
42 50% Pashtun +25% Kumyk +25% Pashtun @ 2.051455
43 50% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Chechen +25% Pathan @ 2.067714
44 50% Pathan +25% Kabardin +25% Pathan @ 2.072721
45 50% Pathan +25% Lezgin +25% Tadjik @ 2.07568
46 50% Pashtun +25% Haryana_Jatt +25% North_Ossetian @ 2.077029
47 50% Burusho +25% Lezgin +25% Lezgin @ 2.090258
48 50% Pashtun +25% Kabardin +25% Pashtun @ 2.090817
49 50% Lezgin +25% Burusho +25% Pathan @ 2.115552
50 50% Pathan +25% Adygei +25% Afghan_Pashtun @ 2.128591
875201 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Afghan_Pashtun+Pashtun+Pashtun+Tabassaran @ 0.947084
2 Pashtun+Pashtun+Pashtun+Tabassaran @ 1.196171
3 Afghan_Pashtun+Pashtun+Pathan+Tabassaran @ 1.197321
4 Afghan_Pashtun+Lezgin+Pashtun+Pathan @ 1.265452
5 Afghan_Pashtun+Lezgin+Pashtun+Pashtun @ 1.28573
6 Lezgin+Pashtun+Pashtun+Pashtun @ 1.402638
7 Afghan_Pashtun+Afghan_Pashtun+Pashtun+Tabassaran @ 1.42233
8 Lezgin+Pashtun+Pashtun+Pathan @ 1.43718
9 Pashtun+Pashtun+Pathan+Tabassaran @ 1.455081
10 Chechen+Pashtun+Pashtun+Pathan @ 1.519763
11 Afghan_Pashtun+Afghan_Pashtun+Pathan+Tabassaran @ 1.552356
12 Afghan_Pashtun+Chechen+Pashtun+Pathan @ 1.569269
13 Chechen+Pashtun+Pashtun+Pashtun @ 1.590709
14 Haryana_Jatt+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Lezgin+Pasht un @ 1.647745
15 Afghan_Pashtun+Burusho+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Ta bassaran @ 1.649992
16 Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Pashtun+Pathan+Tabassaran @ 1.651422
17 Burusho+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Lezgin+Pashtun @ 1.669449
18 Afghan_Pashtun+Burusho+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Le zgin @ 1.670811
19 Afghan_Pashtun+Afghan_Pashtun+Lezgin+Pathan @ 1.672471
20 Afghan_Pashtun+Chechen+Pashtun+Pashtun @ 1.683183
21 Afghan_Pashtun+Lezgin+Pathan+Pathan @ 1.688564
22 Burusho+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Pashtun+Tabassara n @ 1.71391
23 Afghan_Pashtun+Afghan_Pashtun+Lezgin+Pashtun @ 1.731681
24 Kabardin+Pashtun+Pathan+Pathan @ 1.737721
25 Kabardin+Pashtun+Pashtun+Pathan @ 1.744932
26 Burusho+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Lezgin+Pathan @ 1.759376
27 Burusho+Chechen+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Pathan @ 1.763203
28 Burusho+Chechen+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Pashtun @ 1.766156
29 Kumyk+Pashtun+Pashtun+Pathan @ 1.767583
30 Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Pashtun+Pashtun+Tabassara n @ 1.776678
31 Afghan_Pashtun+Pathan+Pathan+Tabassaran @ 1.808812
32 Kumyk+Pashtun+Pathan+Pathan @ 1.82807
33 Afghan_Pashtun+Kumyk+Pashtun+Pathan @ 1.837674
34 Chechen+Pashtun+Pathan+Pathan @ 1.841363
35 Afghan_Pashtun+Chechen+Pathan+Pathan @ 1.842204
36 Afghan_Pashtun+Kumyk+Pathan+Pathan @ 1.855993
37 Haryana_Jatt+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Pashtun+Taba ssaran @ 1.859118
38 Lezgin+Pashtun+Pathan+Pathan @ 1.861503
39 Afghan_Pashtun+Afghan_Pashtun+Burusho+Lezgin @ 1.863426
40 Afghan_Pashtun+Kabardin+Pathan+Pathan @ 1.884584
41 Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Pathan+Pathan+Tabassaran @ 1.897212
42 Afghan_Pashtun+Afghan_Pashtun+Burusho+Chechen @ 1.914473
43 Afghan_Pashtun+Kabardin+Pashtun+Pathan @ 1.930439
44 Afghan_Pashtun+Burusho+Chechen+Kandahari_Afghan_Pa shtun @ 1.934141
45 Haryana_Jatt+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Lezgin+Patha n @ 1.958079
46 Burusho+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Pathan+Tabassaran @ 1.958105
47 Adygei+Haryana_Jatt+Pashtun+Pashtun @ 1.965771
48 Afghan_Pashtun+North_Ossetian+Pathan+Pathan @ 1.967144
49 Burusho+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Kandahari_Afghan_ Pashtun+Tabassaran @ 1.977197
50 North_Ossetian+Pashtun+Pathan+Pathan @ 1.978604
51 Balkar+Pashtun+Pashtun+Pathan @ 1.991256
52 Adygei+Pashtun+Pashtun+Pathan @ 1.996378
53 North_Ossetian+Pashtun+Pashtun+Pathan @ 1.996732
54 Haryana_Jatt+Lezgin+Pashtun+Pashtun @ 2.001621
55 Balkar+Pashtun+Pathan+Pathan @ 2.004806
56 Adygei+Pashtun+Pathan+Pathan @ 2.019149
57 Afghan_Pashtun+Balkar+Pathan+Pathan @ 2.020358
58 Afghan_Pashtun+North_Ossetian+Pashtun+Pathan @ 2.022757
59 Afghan_Pashtun+Burusho+Chechen+Pashtun @ 2.024066
60 Pashtun+Pathan+Pathan+Tabassaran @ 2.026156
61 Chechen+Haryana_Jatt+Pashtun+Pashtun @ 2.036602
62 Afghan_Pashtun+Balkar+Pashtun+Pathan @ 2.0439
63 Kumyk+Pashtun+Pashtun+Pashtun @ 2.051455
64 Chechen+Haryana_Jatt+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Pash tun @ 2.05665
65 Afghan_Pashtun+Afghan_Pashtun+Chechen+Pathan @ 2.067714
66 Afghan_Pashtun+Haryana_Jatt+Lezgin+Pashtun @ 2.0685
67 Kabardin+Pathan+Pathan+Pathan @ 2.072721
68 Lezgin+Pathan+Pathan+Tadjik @ 2.07568
69 Haryana_Jatt+North_Ossetian+Pashtun+Pashtun @ 2.077029
70 Burusho+Burusho+Lezgin+Lezgin @ 2.090258
71 Kabardin+Pashtun+Pashtun+Pashtun @ 2.090817
72 Burusho+Lezgin+Pathan+Tabassaran @ 2.100651
73 Burusho+Lezgin+Lezgin+Pathan @ 2.115552
74 Afghan_Pashtun+Burusho+Lezgin+Pashtun @ 2.126273
75 Adygei+Afghan_Pashtun+Pathan+Pathan @ 2.128591
76 Adygei+Afghan_Pashtun+Pashtun+Pathan @ 2.142262
77 Afghan_Pashtun+Kumyk+Pashtun+Pashtun @ 2.147322
78 Haryana_Jatt+Ossetian+Pashtun+Pashtun @ 2.170139
79 Afghan_Pashtun+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Pathan+Tab assaran @ 2.180976
80 Adygei+Burusho+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Pathan @ 2.185861
81 Adygei+Haryana_Jatt+Pashtun+Pathan @ 2.188796
82 Afghan_Pashtun+Afghan_Pashtun+Chechen+Pashtun @ 2.189924
83 Afghan_Pashtun+Afghan_Pashtun+Afghan_Pashtun+Tabas saran @ 2.192941
84 Kumyk+Pathan+Pathan+Pathan @ 2.204755
85 Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Lezgin+Pashtun+Pathan @ 2.209812
86 Burusho+Burusho+Chechen+Lezgin @ 2.209887
87 Adygei+Afghan_Pashtun+Burusho+Pathan @ 2.215042
88 Adygei+Afghan_Pashtun+Burusho+Pashtun @ 2.222685
89 Adygei+Afghan_Pashtun+Afghan_Pashtun+Burusho @ 2.226999
90 Chechen+Haryana_Jatt+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Path an @ 2.242777
91 Afghan_Pashtun+Chechen+Haryana_Jatt+Pashtun @ 2.244325
92 Afghan_Pashtun+Burusho+Chechen+Pathan @ 2.24776
93 Burusho+Lezgin+Pashtun+Tabassaran @ 2.252487
94 Haryana_Jatt+North_Ossetian+Pashtun+Pathan @ 2.253246
95 Haryana_Jatt+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+North_Osseti an+Pathan @ 2.256899
96 Balkar+Haryana_Jatt+Pashtun+Pashtun @ 2.260104
97 North_Ossetian+Pathan+Pathan+Pathan @ 2.268132
98 Afghan_Pashtun+Haryana_Jatt+North_Ossetian+Pashtun @ 2.270458
99 Haryana_Jatt+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Pathan+Tabas saran @ 2.272371
100 Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Lezgin+Pathan+Pathan @ 2.273135
1506231 iterations.


Gaussian method.
Noise dispersion set to 0.676116

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Afghan_Pashtun @ 3.298633
2 Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 5.735344
3 Pathan @ 5.822671
4 Haryana_Jatt @ 7.421551
5 Pashtun @ 7.454268
6 Tadjik @ 8.75431
7 Afghan_Uzbeki @ 9.712525
8 Afghan_Tadjik @ 9.785772
9 Kumyk @ 10.756383
10 Ossetian @ 10.982236
11 Balkar @ 11.030044
12 North_Ossetian @ 11.161635
13 Adygei @ 11.314291
14 Lezgin @ 11.808765
15 Tabassaran @ 11.825174
16 Kabardin @ 12.153731
17 Chechen @ 12.215749
18 Iranian @ 12.728068
19 Turkmen @ 12.840008
20 Azeri @ 12.882177
21 Qashqai_Azeri_Shirazi_Persian @ 13.06407
22 Burusho @ 13.480897
23 Kurdish @ 14.961316
24 Abkhasian @ 15.054987
25 Turkish @ 15.5052
26 Afghan_Hazara @ 17.2455
27 Afghan_Turkmen @ 17.697238
28 Georgian_Imer @ 18.057797
29 Uzbeki @ 18.234808
30 Georgian_Laz @ 19.224483
31 South_Indian @ 19.346445
32 Armenian @ 20.702813
33 Georgian_Jewish @ 20.805907
34 Iranian_Jewish @ 21.381264
35 Uygur @ 22.380379
36 Moldavian @ 22.7712
37 Bosnian @ 23.275758
38 Bulgarian @ 23.798689
39 Syrian @ 23.893474
40 Ukrainian_Kharkov @ 24.008588
41 Lebanese_Muslim @ 24.20845
42 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 24.270969
43 Moksha @ 24.448126
44 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 24.522345
45 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 24.539557
46 Russian_Kursk @ 24.675478
47 Serbian_Bosnia @ 24.780421
48 Erzya @ 24.8292
49 Iraqi_Jewish @ 24.849925
50 Central_Greek @ 25.484817
168 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Ossetian+Pathan @ 2.642703
2 North_Ossetian+Pathan @ 2.906422
3 Balkar+Pathan @ 3.138987
4 Adygei+Pathan @ 3.166427
5 Burusho+Lezgin @ 3.213025
6 Afghan_Pashtun+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 3.221645
7 Lezgin+Pashtun @ 3.28003
8 Afghan_Pashtun+Afghan_Pashtun @ 3.298633
9 Kumyk+Pathan @ 3.404609
10 Burusho+Chechen @ 3.409809
11 Haryana_Jatt+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 3.634447
12 Chechen+Pashtun @ 3.683737
13 Pashtun+Tabassaran @ 3.702238
14 Kabardin+Pathan @ 3.719155
15 Adygei+Burusho @ 3.791821
16 Burusho+Ossetian @ 3.797748
17 Afghan_Pashtun+Pathan @ 3.861461
18 Ossetian+Pashtun @ 3.958528
19 Burusho+Tabassaran @ 4.002407
20 Afghan_Pashtun+Lezgin @ 4.06386
21 Adygei+Pashtun @ 4.084523
22 Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Pathan @ 4.104315
23 Lezgin+Pathan @ 4.104874
24 North_Ossetian+Pashtun @ 4.227338
25 Haryana_Jatt+Ossetian @ 4.257528
26 Burusho+North_Ossetian @ 4.313258
27 Chechen+Pathan @ 4.332342
28 Balkar+Pashtun @ 4.333067
29 Afghan_Pashtun+Tabassaran @ 4.388496
30 Abkhasian+Haryana_Jatt @ 4.405862
31 Afghan_Pashtun+Chechen @ 4.424874
32 Balkar+Burusho @ 4.4661
33 Kumyk+Pashtun @ 4.512383
34 Pathan+Tabassaran @ 4.521551
35 Afghan_Pashtun+Ossetian @ 4.569477
36 Afghan_Pashtun+Pashtun @ 4.577514
37 Abkhasian+Burusho @ 4.634624
38 Burusho+Kumyk @ 4.718569
39 Adygei+Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.723776
40 Adygei+Haryana_Jatt @ 4.738175
41 Haryana_Jatt+North_Ossetian @ 4.771275
42 Kabardin+Pashtun @ 4.790085
43 Haryana_Jatt+Lezgin @ 4.823725
44 Afghan_Pashtun+North_Ossetian @ 4.841066
45 Burusho+Kabardin @ 4.888734
46 Afghan_Pashtun+Balkar @ 4.943183
47 Balkar+Haryana_Jatt @ 4.976139
48 Azeri+Pathan @ 4.980163
49 Georgian_Imer+Haryana_Jatt @ 5.000024
50 Chechen+Haryana_Jatt @ 5.031636
14196 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Pathan +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun +25% Lezgin @ 0.367815
2 50% Pathan +25% Adygei +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 0.421121
3 50% Pathan +25% Chechen +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 0.509368
4 50% Pathan +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun +25% North_Ossetian @ 0.748623
5 50% Pathan +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun +25% Ossetian @ 0.761144
6 50% Pathan +25% Balkar +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 1.220475
7 50% Pathan +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun +25% Tabassaran @ 1.315512
8 50% Pathan +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun +25% Kumyk @ 1.36821
9 50% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun +25% Lezgin +25% Pathan @ 1.373577
10 50% Pathan +25% Kabardin +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 1.481379
11 50% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Lezgin +25% Pathan @ 1.51338
12 50% Pathan +25% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Ossetian @ 1.538098
13 50% Pathan +25% Adygei +25% Afghan_Pashtun @ 1.559843
14 50% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun +25% Lezgin +25% Pashtun @ 1.668148
15 50% Pathan +25% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Lezgin @ 1.687764
16 50% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun +25% Chechen +25% Pathan @ 1.762178
17 50% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun +25% Pathan +25% Tabassaran @ 1.775903
18 50% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Chechen +25% Pathan @ 1.81407
19 50% Pathan +25% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Chechen @ 1.838452
20 50% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun +25% Pashtun +25% Tabassaran @ 1.845218
21 50% Pathan +25% Afghan_Pashtun +25% North_Ossetian @ 1.872812
22 50% Lezgin +25% Burusho +25% Pathan @ 1.885219
23 50% Pashtun +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun +25% Lezgin @ 1.96524
24 50% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun +25% Chechen +25% Pashtun @ 1.993061
25 50% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Ossetian +25% Pathan @ 2.02172
26 50% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Adygei +25% Pathan @ 2.042355
27 50% Pathan +25% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Balkar @ 2.056633
28 50% Pathan +25% North_Ossetian +25% Pathan @ 2.091719
29 50% Pashtun +25% Chechen +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 2.132929
30 50% Pashtun +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun +25% Tabassaran @ 2.172982
31 50% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun +25% Haryana_Jatt +25% Lezgin @ 2.184831
32 50% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun +25% Adygei +25% Pathan @ 2.210374
33 50% Pathan +25% Kabardin +25% Pathan @ 2.21624
34 50% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Pathan +25% Tabassaran @ 2.220915
35 50% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Lezgin +25% Pashtun @ 2.227918
36 50% Pathan +25% Balkar +25% Pathan @ 2.2332
37 50% Pathan +25% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Kumyk @ 2.247316
38 50% Pathan +25% Ossetian +25% Pathan @ 2.253896
39 50% Pathan +25% Adygei +25% Pashtun @ 2.264736
40 50% Pathan +25% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Kabardin @ 2.285144
41 50% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Abkhasian +25% Pathan @ 2.301721
42 50% Pathan +25% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Tabassaran @ 2.325281
43 50% Pathan +25% Kumyk +25% Pathan @ 2.329856
44 50% Pathan +25% Lezgin +25% Pashtun @ 2.33199
45 50% Pathan +25% Chechen +25% Pashtun @ 2.357673
46 50% Pathan +25% Adygei +25% Pathan @ 2.381012
47 50% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun +25% Haryana_Jatt +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 2.390143
48 50% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun +25% Burusho +25% Lezgin @ 2.400945
49 50% Afghan_Pashtun +25% North_Ossetian +25% Pathan @ 2.401414
50 50% Afghan_Pashtun +25% Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun +25% Lezgin @ 2.41056
2276717 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Lezgin+Pathan+Pathan @ 0.367815
2 Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Lezgin+Pashtun+Pathan @ 0.397273
3 Adygei+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Pathan+Pathan @ 0.421121
4 Afghan_Pashtun+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Lezgin+Pat han @ 0.453278
5 Chechen+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Pathan+Pathan @ 0.509368
6 Chechen+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Pashtun+Pathan @ 0.5794
7 Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+North_Ossetian+Pathan+Pat han @ 0.748623
8 Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Ossetian+Pathan+Pathan @ 0.761144
9 Afghan_Pashtun+Chechen+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Pa than @ 0.797176
10 Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Pashtun+Pathan+Tabassaran @ 1.061435
11 Balkar+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Pathan+Pathan @ 1.220475
12 Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Pathan+Pathan+Tabassaran @ 1.315512
13 Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Kumyk+Pathan+Pathan @ 1.36821
14 Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+ Lezgin+Pathan @ 1.373577
15 Kabardin+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Pathan+Pathan @ 1.481379
16 Afghan_Pashtun+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Pathan+Tab assaran @ 1.509776
17 Afghan_Pashtun+Afghan_Pashtun+Lezgin+Pathan @ 1.51338
18 Afghan_Pashtun+Ossetian+Pathan+Pathan @ 1.538098
19 Adygei+Afghan_Pashtun+Pathan+Pathan @ 1.559843
20 Abkhasian+Burusho+Lezgin+Pathan @ 1.57818
21 Afghan_Pashtun+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Lezgin+Pas htun @ 1.615724
22 Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+ Lezgin+Pashtun @ 1.668148
23 Afghan_Pashtun+Lezgin+Pathan+Pathan @ 1.687764
24 Adygei+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Pashtun+Pathan @ 1.689966
25 Abkhasian+Haryana_Jatt+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Pa than @ 1.697405
26 Adygei+Afghan_Pashtun+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Pat han @ 1.698556
27 Chechen+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Kandahari_Afghan_ Pashtun+Pathan @ 1.762178
28 Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+ Pathan+Tabassaran @ 1.775903
29 Afghan_Pashtun+Lezgin+Pashtun+Pathan @ 1.81012
30 Afghan_Pashtun+Afghan_Pashtun+Chechen+Pathan @ 1.81407
31 Abkhasian+Burusho+Pathan+Tabassaran @ 1.820666
32 Afghan_Pashtun+Chechen+Pathan+Pathan @ 1.838452
33 Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+ Pashtun+Tabassaran @ 1.845218
34 Afghan_Pashtun+North_Ossetian+Pathan+Pathan @ 1.872812
35 Burusho+Lezgin+Lezgin+Pathan @ 1.885219
36 Afghan_Pashtun+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Ossetian+P athan @ 1.938647
37 Afghan_Pashtun+Chechen+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Pa shtun @ 1.943871
38 Burusho+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Lezgin+Pathan @ 1.95032
39 Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Lezgin+Pashtun+Pashtun @ 1.96524
40 Afghan_Pashtun+Chechen+Pashtun+Pathan @ 1.969641
41 Haryana_Jatt+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Ossetian+Pat han @ 1.97236
42 Burusho+Chechen+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Pathan @ 1.984342
43 Chechen+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Kandahari_Afghan_ Pashtun+Pashtun @ 1.993061
44 Afghan_Pashtun+Afghan_Pashtun+Ossetian+Pathan @ 2.02172
45 Afghan_Pashtun+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Pashtun+Ta bassaran @ 2.033945
46 Abkhasian+Burusho+Chechen+Pathan @ 2.037987
47 Adygei+Afghan_Pashtun+Afghan_Pashtun+Pathan @ 2.042355
48 Afghan_Pashtun+Balkar+Pathan+Pathan @ 2.056633
49 North_Ossetian+Pathan+Pathan+Pathan @ 2.091719
50 Chechen+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Pashtun+Pashtun @ 2.132929
51 Burusho+Lezgin+Ossetian+Pathan @ 2.139294
52 Burusho+Chechen+Lezgin+Pathan @ 2.157005
53 Abkhasian+Afghan_Pashtun+Haryana_Jatt+Pathan @ 2.16412
54 Afghan_Pashtun+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+North_Osse tian+Pathan @ 2.169568
55 Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Pashtun+Pashtun+Tabassara n @ 2.172982
56 Haryana_Jatt+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Kandahari_Af ghan_Pashtun+Lezgin @ 2.184831
57 Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Ossetian+Pashtun+Pathan @ 2.202608
58 Adygei+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Kandahari_Afghan_P ashtun+Pathan @ 2.210374
59 Kabardin+Pathan+Pathan+Pathan @ 2.21624
60 Afghan_Pashtun+Afghan_Pashtun+Pathan+Tabassaran @ 2.220915
61 Afghan_Pashtun+Afghan_Pashtun+Lezgin+Pashtun @ 2.227918
62 Adygei+Afghan_Pashtun+Pashtun+Pathan @ 2.229234
63 Balkar+Pathan+Pathan+Pathan @ 2.2332
64 Georgian_Imer+Haryana_Jatt+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtu n+Pathan @ 2.234593
65 Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+North_Ossetian+Pashtun+Pa than @ 2.235102
66 Abkhasian+Afghan_Pashtun+Haryana_Jatt+Kandahari_Af ghan_Pashtun @ 2.239231
67 Afghan_Pashtun+Kumyk+Pathan+Pathan @ 2.247316
68 Haryana_Jatt+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Lezgin+Patha n @ 2.250666
69 Ossetian+Pathan+Pathan+Pathan @ 2.253896
70 Burusho+Georgian_Imer+Pathan+Tabassaran @ 2.255872
71 Abkhasian+Haryana_Jatt+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Pa shtun @ 2.261142
72 Adygei+Pashtun+Pathan+Pathan @ 2.264736
73 Afghan_Pashtun+Balkar+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Pat han @ 2.280429
74 Balkar+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Pashtun+Pathan @ 2.280649
75 Adygei+Haryana_Jatt+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Patha n @ 2.284945
76 Afghan_Pashtun+Kabardin+Pathan+Pathan @ 2.285144
77 Afghan_Pashtun+Georgian_Imer+Haryana_Jatt+Pathan @ 2.292823
78 Abkhasian+Afghan_Pashtun+Afghan_Pashtun+Pathan @ 2.301721
79 Burusho+Georgian_Imer+Lezgin+Pathan @ 2.306316
80 Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Kumyk+Pashtun+Pathan @ 2.312861
81 Afghan_Pashtun+Pathan+Pathan+Tabassaran @ 2.325281
82 Afghan_Pashtun+Pashtun+Pathan+Tabassaran @ 2.327356
83 Kumyk+Pathan+Pathan+Pathan @ 2.329856
84 Lezgin+Pashtun+Pathan+Pathan @ 2.33199
85 Chechen+Pashtun+Pathan+Pathan @ 2.357673
86 Kabardin+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Pashtun+Pathan @ 2.372088
87 Afghan_Pashtun+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Kumyk+Path an @ 2.372717
88 Afghan_Pashtun+Ossetian+Pashtun+Pathan @ 2.379181
89 Adygei+Pathan+Pathan+Pathan @ 2.381012
90 Haryana_Jatt+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Kandahari_Af ghan_Pashtun+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 2.390143
91 Adygei+Burusho+Lezgin+Pathan @ 2.390189
92 Burusho+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Kandahari_Afghan_ Pashtun+Lezgin @ 2.400945
93 Afghan_Pashtun+Afghan_Pashtun+North_Ossetian+Patha n @ 2.401414
94 Burusho+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Pathan+Tabassaran @ 2.404629
95 Afghan_Pashtun+Afghan_Pashtun+Kandahari_Afghan_Pas htun+Lezgin @ 2.41056
96 Burusho+Chechen+Chechen+Pathan @ 2.412508
97 Afghan_Pashtun+Afghan_Pashtun+Chechen+Pashtun @ 2.417286
98 Chechen+Haryana_Jatt+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Path an @ 2.418017
99 Haryana_Jatt+Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun+Lezgin+Pasht un @ 2.422885
100 Afghan_Pashtun+Afghan_Pashtun+Afghan_Pashtun+Lezgi n @ 2.431999
30770556 iterations.

CelticGerman
01-18-2015, 11:24 PM
I have results for my two uncles (maternal and paternal side). My own result is not yet in, but should be somewhere between my uncles.

My uncle paternal side: 43.76% WHG - 40.72% Near Eastern - 14.86% ANE - all other categories very low. He is in the southeast of Northwestern Europeans on the map (red dot).
My uncle maternal side: 49.73% WHG - 35.12% Near Eastern - 14.89% ANE - all other categories very low. He is in the north of Northwestern Europeans on the map.

This makes sense. They are both Germans from Hamburg. My uncle paternal side has around 47% known ancestry from Northern Germany. My uncle maternal side has around 96% known ancestry from Northern Germany and Denmark.
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Here are the detailed results for my uncle on maternal side:
ANE 0.148917
South_Eurasian 0.001882
Near_Eastern 0.351193
East_Eurasian 1E-005
WHG 0.497339
Oceanian 1E-005
Pygmy 0.000639
Sub-Saharan 1E-005


Lower bound NE

ANE 0.147261
South_Eurasian 0.005382
Near_Eastern 0.309629
East_Eurasian 1E-005
WHG 0.535813
Oceanian 1E-005
Pygmy 0.001885
Sub-Saharan 1E-005


And this is my uncle paternal side:

ANE 0.148558
South_Eurasian 0.001236
Near_Eastern 0.407194
East_Eurasian 1E-005
WHG 0.437559
Oceanian 1E-005
Pygmy 0.00271
Sub-Saharan 0.002724


Lower bound NE

ANE 0.146976
South_Eurasian 0.003766
Near_Eastern 0.369905
East_Eurasian 1E-005
WHG 0.472606
Oceanian 1E-005
Pygmy 0.002914
Sub-Saharan 0.003814

CelticGerman
01-18-2015, 11:36 PM
3431

ANE 0.108986
South_Eurasian 0.007089
Near_Eastern 0.479559
East_Eurasian 1E-005
WHG 0.395367
Oceanian 0.001322
Pygmy 0.007657
Sub-Saharan 1E-005


Lower bound NE

ANE 0.107336
South_Eurasian 0.00894
Near_Eastern 0.445693
East_Eurasian 1E-005
WHG 0.42768
Oceanian 0.002093
Pygmy 0.008238
Sub-Saharan 1E-005

Known ancestry of this person is 84% French (Burgundy, Rhône-Alpes, Lorraine, Sarthe, Alsace), 12.5% Swiss, 3% German ...

Chad Rohlfsen
01-19-2015, 01:09 AM
3431

ANE 0.108986
South_Eurasian 0.007089
Near_Eastern 0.479559
East_Eurasian 1E-005
WHG 0.395367
Oceanian 0.001322
Pygmy 0.007657
Sub-Saharan 1E-005


Lower bound NE

ANE 0.107336
South_Eurasian 0.00894
Near_Eastern 0.445693
East_Eurasian 1E-005
WHG 0.42768
Oceanian 0.002093
Pygmy 0.008238
Sub-Saharan 1E-005

Known ancestry of this person is 84% French (Burgundy, Rhône-Alpes, Lorraine, Sarthe, Alsace), 12.5% Swiss, 3% German ...

How much of this person's ancestry is restricted to just East-Central France? I am looking for someone that could be full or pass for a full Alsatian.

jesus
01-19-2015, 01:46 AM
My Oracle, Thanks to Sein.

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Iranian @ 6.288237
2 Azeri @ 8.298775
3 Ossetian @ 9.555228
4 Kurdish @ 10.215686
5 Abkhasian @ 10.271613
6 Adygei @ 11.620328
7 North_Ossetian @ 11.65997
8 Turkish @ 11.750134
9 Balkar @ 11.883051
10 Kumyk @ 13.084384
11 Georgian_Imer @ 13.278177
12 Kabardin @ 13.41227
13 Chechen @ 13.864114
14 Georgian_Laz @ 14.485765
15 Lezgin @ 14.782066
16 Armenian @ 16.342616
17 Tabassaran @ 16.947546
18 Syrian @ 17.040934
19 Kandahari_Afghan_Pashtun @ 17.144781
20 Georgian_Jewish @ 17.145431
21 Lebanese_Muslim @ 17.589788
22 Iranian_Jewish @ 17.746976
23 Jordanian @ 19.536772
24 Druze @ 20.935496
25 Iraqi_Jewish @ 21.148663
26 Palestinian @ 21.219937
27 Afghan_Pashtun @ 21.606411
28 Sephardic_Jewish @ 21.874668
29 Ashkenazi @ 22.314691
30 Cyprian @ 22.350838
31 Pashtun @ 23.781318
32 Egyptian @ 23.813781
33 South_Italian @ 24.064078
34 Lebanese_Christian @ 24.315999
35 Central_Sicilian @ 24.745944
36 East_Sicilian @ 24.884487
37 Tadjik @ 25.300031
38 Pathan @ 25.381933
39 Bedouin @ 25.515249
40 West_Sicilian @ 25.535277
41 Afghan_Uzbeki @ 25.990639
42 Italian_Abruzzo @ 26.287384
43 Central_Greek @ 26.381891
44 Turkmen @ 27.349657
45 Tunisian @ 27.599201
46 Greek @ 27.624265
47 Saudi @ 27.747833
48 Afghan_Tadjik @ 27.852103
49 Samaritan @ 28.89981
50 Moroccan @ 29.261353

jesus
01-19-2015, 01:47 AM
Kandahari Pashtun ( Southeastern Afghanistan )

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Afghan_Pashtun @ 5.591244
2 Pashtun @ 7.852251
3 Pathan @ 9.476724
4 Tabassaran @ 12.571663
5 Lezgin @ 12.718248
6 North_Ossetian @ 13.825151
7 Balkar @ 13.925583
8 Chechen @ 13.939212
9 Kumyk @ 13.995243
10 Tadjik @ 14.110625
11 Ossetian @ 14.925922
12 Kabardin @ 15.042247
13 Adygei @ 15.177655
14 Haryana_Jatt @ 15.759651
15 Afghan_Uzbeki @ 16.476431
16 Afghan_Tadjik @ 17.348803
17 Burusho @ 17.42983
18 Iranian @ 20.18052
19 Azeri @ 20.279687
20 Abkhasian @ 21.255525
21 Turkmen @ 22.006153
22 Turkish @ 22.436276
23 Kurdish @ 23.143112
24 Georgian_Imer @ 25.631056
25 Georgian_Laz @ 27.974722
26 South_Indian @ 30.225276
27 Armenian @ 30.527834
28 Georgian_Jewish @ 31.90448
29 Iranian_Jewish @ 32.63523
30 Afghan_Turkmen @ 32.711465
31 Syrian @ 33.302535
32 Lebanese_Muslim @ 33.381274
33 Ashkenazi @ 33.486172
34 Central_Greek @ 33.88403
35 Italian_Abruzzo @ 34.954551
36 East_Sicilian @ 35.095788
37 South_Italian @ 35.098397
38 Greek @ 35.11274
39 Sephardic_Jewish @ 35.146024
40 West_Sicilian @ 35.149376
41 Central_Sicilian @ 35.335096
42 Greek_Thessaly @ 35.423017
43 Jordanian @ 36.012542
44 Iraqi_Jewish @ 36.21465
45 Druze @ 36.559888
46 Kosovar @ 36.657796
47 Cyprian @ 36.818886
48 Bulgarian @ 37.208446
49 Romanian @ 37.597888
50 Afghan_Hazara @ 37.667602

MonkeyDLuffy
01-19-2015, 11:14 AM
Punjabi sikh Ramgarhia/Tarkhan


ANE 0.315859
South_Eurasian 0.173623
Near_Eastern 0.401737
East_Eurasian 0.028371
WHG 0.027207
Oceanian 0.029837
Pygmy 1E-005
Sub-Saharan 0.023356



Lower bound NE

ANE 0.31624
South_Eurasian 0.173128
Near_Eastern 0.401408
East_Eurasian 0.027746
WHG 0.029727
Oceanian 0.029451
Pygmy 1E-005
Sub-Saharan 0.022289


http://i.imgur.com/U7GAfa7.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/34s6e1S.jpg



How can I get the oracle 4 results and close populations? Thanks.

J Man
01-19-2015, 12:17 PM
Could someone give me my oracle, Thank you in advance
My 4 grandparents are Normans

ANE 0.118903
South_Eurasian 1E-005
Near_Eastern 0.423682
East_Eurasian 1E-005
WHG 0.45096
Oceanian 1E-005
Pygmy 0.003352
Sub-Saharan 0.003074

Lower-bound NE

ANE 0.117407
South_Eurasian 0.002567
Near_Eastern 0.385254
East_Eurasian 1E-005
WHG 0.486869
Oceanian 1E-005
Pygmy 0.003556
Sub-Saharan 0.004328

It is nice to see a Northern French result. Thank you for sharing. So all 4 of your grandparents are from Normandy?

Helgenes50
01-19-2015, 12:47 PM
It is nice to see a Northern French result. Thank you for sharing. So all 4 of your grandparents are from Normandy?

Thank you!

Yes indeed, From Normandy, we are not legion.

I would like to participate a little more, alas ! like a lot of Frenchies my english is too bad, even if I am almost English... genetically speaking of course!

My 4 gp are from Normandy, to be precise from the Cotentin peninsula, next to Cherbourg, in the XVth century, the inhabitants of this town were English citizens

I am very close to the Channel Islands, the closest 14 kms
In the Xth century, the country where I live, had a Nordic name, Helgenes. The reason of my pseudo.

https://www.google.fr/search?q=Cotentin,+la+Hague&rlz=1C1RNVE_en___FR548&espv=2&biw=1366&bih=667&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=vvu8VPy_MYL1UPmbgtgP&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAg

MonkeyDLuffy
01-19-2015, 03:07 PM
Can someone please explain to me my results?

dp
01-19-2015, 03:34 PM
Dear MonkeyDuffy,
I haven't run the test but it's components are also some of those in the thread Post Your EEF, WHG and ANE Admixture Proportions (http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?1781-Post-Your-EEF-WHG-and-ANE-Admixture-Proportions)
dp :-)

MonkeyDLuffy
01-19-2015, 04:13 PM
Thanks david. Since I am new to this forum and recently got my results, I haven't played with different calculators yet, so a bit clueless atm. :)

Helgenes50
01-19-2015, 04:21 PM
How much of this person's ancestry is restricted to just East-Central France? I am looking for someone that could be full or pass for a full Alsatian.

The Flemish (from Northern France) are very close to West Germans

parasar
01-19-2015, 04:36 PM
Can someone please explain to me my results?

You and Varun R fall very close to each other. Rukha is a little down and left. The Burusho should fall a little to Varun R's right. I think the bulk of South Asians could fall within that range.

Punjabi sikh Ramgarhia/Tarkhan
http://i.imgur.com/U7GAfa7.jpg



Varun R HRP0266 (Karnataka-Kerala-TN)
http://www.anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3405&d=1421519844

Rukha (Tajik-Pakhtoon)
http://i.imgur.com/fkJtyzB.png

MonkeyDLuffy
01-19-2015, 05:02 PM
Its surprising to see a tajik, a punjabi and a kannad to be at same place. But i wasn't close to any SI in close populations in any calculator.

parasar
01-19-2015, 05:23 PM
Its surprising to see a tajik, a punjabi and a kannad to be at same place. But i wasn't close to any SI in close populations in any calculator.

The reasons I think are:
Given the parameters South Asians should indeed cluster closely (except those isolated or on the margins).
These three components do not provide sufficient resolving power within South Asia.

The Barnacle
01-19-2015, 06:07 PM
Its surprising to see a tajik, a punjabi and a kannad to be at same place. But i wasn't close to any SI in close populations in any calculator.

That is only based on the 3 components, it doesn't actually represent ancestry or where you actually cluster. Afghans have about 50% ENF, that's why the point is further East than western asians. You'll learn a thing or two when your in this forum don't worry lol

Just to add, if the Southern eurasian was also based on this plot, then South Asians would probably drift even more eastwards

The Barnacle
01-19-2015, 06:08 PM
The reasons I think are:
Given the parameters South Asians should indeed cluster closely (except those isolated or on the margins).
These three components do not provide sufficient resolving power within South Asia.

Parasar, afghsns are not South Asian, we are central asian.

The Barnacle
01-19-2015, 06:12 PM
Its surprising to see a tajik, a punjabi and a kannad to be at same place. But i wasn't close to any SI in close populations in any calculator.

You misunderstand what these plots represent.

MonkeyDLuffy
01-19-2015, 06:14 PM
That is only based on the 3 components, it doesn't actually represent ancestry or where you actually cluster. Afghans have about 50% ENF, that's why the point is further East than western asians. You'll learn a thing or two when your in this forum don't worry lol

Just to add, if the Southern eurasian was also based on this plot, then South Asians would probably drift even more eastwards

Thanks for clarifying.

My result on other calculators was similar to Rukha, only he has higher caucasian and lower SA than me.

MonkeyDLuffy
01-19-2015, 06:15 PM
You misunderstand what these plots represent.

Can you explain it? Thanks

The Barnacle
01-19-2015, 06:16 PM
Thanks for clarifying.

My result on other calculators was similar to Rukha, only he has higher caucasian and lower SA than me.

What calculator? All the calculators ive seen, South asians differ a lot from afghans...which one?

The Barnacle
01-19-2015, 06:18 PM
Can you explain it? Thanks

It's just a co ordinate based on ENF, ANE and WHG. South asians have about 21% southern eurasuan, if that was added the plot would be different. That's why South asuans are kinda close to western Eurasians. Iranians, Kurds, tajiks score around 6% southern eurasian.

parasar
01-19-2015, 06:29 PM
Parasar, afghsns are not South Asian, we are central asian.

I would say they are more West Asian (especially Caucasus) and South Asian than Central Asian. There is marked discontinuity with Central Asians such as the Uzbek, Kazakh, Turkmen, and the Kyrgyz.

The Barnacle
01-19-2015, 06:36 PM
I would say they are more West Asian (especially Caucasus) and South Asian than Central Asian. There is marked discontinuity with Central Asians such as the Uzbek, Kazakh, Turkmen, and the Kyrgyz.

Afghanistan georgraphically sits just below the central asian countries and east of the near East. I would say pakistan is where we draw the line for South asia( it's part of the indian plate most of it). Phenotypically we have a diverse sets of phenotypes, just like most countries. We have been metrically categorised as East mediterranids( iranids), which we share with Kurds, iranians and so on. Culture wise I would say we are pretty middle eastern but influencr from Central Asia and South asia. Language we speak an iranic language like iranians, Kurds etc. genetically we are a neolithic people but with ANE influence as well as smaller influences such as southern eurasian and WHG. Sooo maybe we are Central-west asian? That sounds better lol.

bored
01-19-2015, 06:36 PM
It's just a co ordinate based on ENF, ANE and WHG. South asians have about 21% southern eurasuan, if that was added the plot would be different. That's why South asuans are kinda close to western Eurasians. Iranians, Kurds, tajiks score around 6% southern eurasian.

NW South Asians have 15-18% South Eurasian. Rukha has 11% South Eurasian on this calculator.

The Barnacle
01-19-2015, 06:37 PM
Thanks for clarifying.

My result on other calculators was similar to Rukha, only he has higher caucasian and lower SA than me.

Which calculator?

The Barnacle
01-19-2015, 06:40 PM
NW South Asians have 15-18% South Eurasian. Rukha has 11% South Eurasian on this calculator.

Rukha is half pashtun half tajik btw. He scores 10% southern Eurasian, for South Asians it ranges but most fall in 18-20%.