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Bolgeris
01-08-2015, 05:50 PM
Ciao,
some help please..
we are L2+ L20+ CTS9733-
and kit N9198 and 183488 in U152 project

I am Belgieri..

And all Belgeri / Belgieri /Bolgeri are ancestral from same valley/villages in North Italy - Lumbardy - vill. Civenna Barni etc.

All Bolgeri / Belgieri / Belgeri we are 11-12 GD ... 111 STR..

Today arrived the BIG Y results from other Mr.Belgeri.


Now there are 6 diff. SNP in Mr. Belgeri e not in me Belgieri

15509238
16866340
16890437
16891443
22436108
28802526

What do you think about... 600 or 900 years old MRCA?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Death
Black death year 1345 + 670 years ?
year 1350 was the ancestral origin of Bolgeri surname?
Our ancestor Bolgeri was the survivor of the Black death in a little village?
Hyp.
Thanks..


P.S.
The no. 8 novel SNP in the subclade

That Mr. Rocca discover as new SNP subclade U152> L2> Z258,Z367,Z384> L20,Z383,CTS1939,PF129> CTS9733=C(back mutation)> 7702178 et al.

7702178(G/A), 9882218(G/A), 14543554(A/T), 14590597(T/C), 18684555(C/G), 21605188(A/G), 23301577(T/C), 23758887(C/T)

All are in the kit N9198 Belgieri and Kit 183488 Belgeri...

Hurray!

no. 6 novel variants found in 183488 Big Y results and not in N9198 results. (N.B. 73 + 6 = 79 novel variants Kit 183488)

15509238 T G High
16866340 T C High
16890437 A G High
16891443 C A High
22436108 G C High
28802526 A T High

no. 21 Novel variants in Belgieri N9198 and not in Belgeri 183488 (73 + 21 = 94 novel variants Kit N9198)

13271933 T A High
13887944 C A High
14630342 T C High
14630357 T C High
15824887 A T High
16393249 T A High
16494396 T G High
16891447 C A High
19108279 G A High
21853937 T C High
22228460 C T High
22316451 C G High
22460597 C A High
23896250 A C High
26123300 C T High
2708780 C G High
9239350 T C High
9296025 G A High
9374685 G C High
9973685 T C High
9992071 A C Medium

Bolgeris
01-09-2015, 11:29 PM
P.S.
Of 6 novel variants for kit 183488 respects to kit N9198 only 4 are stable:

15509238 - 16866340 - 16890437 - 16891443.

Whereas only 11 novel variants of 21 are stable in kit N9198 than in kit 183488:

13887944 - 15824887 - 16393249 - 16891447 - 19108279 - 21853937 - 222284690 - 22460597 - 23896250 - 2708780 - 9973685.

Bolgeris
01-13-2015, 08:24 PM
P.S.
Of 6 novel variants for kit 183488 respects to kit N9198 only 4 are stable:

15509238 - 16866340 - 16890437 - 16891443.

Whereas only 11 novel variants of 21 are stable in kit N9198 than in kit 183488:

13887944 - 15824887 - 16393249 - 16891447 - 19108279 - 21853937 - 222284690 - 22460597 - 23896250 - 2708780 - 9973685.

Belgeri / Belgieri GD 11 / 111 STR - 73 shared novel variants - Total 27 novel variants (Big y Ftdna) but only stable 15 novel SNP (11+4)!
Belgeri / Drouillard GD 31 / 111 STR - 59 shared novel variants - Total 49 novel variants SNP ... Belgieri / Drouillard GD 35 / 111 STR - 61 shared novel variants - total 60 novel variants.

Belgeri / Woodruff GD 36 / 111 STR - 54 shared novel variants -Total 59 novel variants SNP ... Belgieri / Woodruff GD 36 / 111 STR - 58 shared novel variants - total 66 novel variants.
Belgeri / Bowlings GD 33 /111 STR - 51 shared novel variants - Total 105 novel variants SNP .. Belgieri / Bowlings GD 32 / 111 STR - 55 shared novel variants - total 112 novel variants.
Belgeri / Erikson GD 38 / 111 STR - 52 shared novel variants - Total 53 novel variants .. Belgieri / Erikson GD 40 / 111 STR - 56 shared novel variants - total 60 novel variants.

What do you think?
Ciao.

R.Rocca
01-13-2015, 09:19 PM
Belgeri / Belgieri GD 11 / 111 STR - 73 shared novel variants - Total 27 novel variants (Big y Ftdna) but only stable 15 novel SNP (11+4)!
Belgeri / Drouillard GD 31 / 111 STR - 59 shared novel variants - Total 49 novel variants SNP ... Belgieri / Drouillard GD 35 / 111 STR - 61 shared novel variants - total 60 novel variants.

Belgeri / Woodruff GD 36 / 111 STR - 54 shared novel variants -Total 59 novel variants SNP ... Belgieri / Woodruff GD 36 / 111 STR - 58 shared novel variants - total 66 novel variants.
Belgeri / Bowlings GD 33 /111 STR - 51 shared novel variants - Total 105 novel variants SNP .. Belgieri / Bowlings GD 32 / 111 STR - 55 shared novel variants - total 112 novel variants.
Belgeri / Erikson GD 38 / 111 STR - 52 shared novel variants - Total 53 novel variants .. Belgieri / Erikson GD 40 / 111 STR - 56 shared novel variants - total 60 novel variants.

What do you think?
Ciao.

Even though FTDNA classifies many of the shared novel variants as "High" or "Medium" quality, the vast majority of them are not stable enough because they occur across many haplogroups. In reality, the "Bolgeri Cluster" is made up of the following eight SNPs:

2716389(G>T)
7035007(A>G)
7610792(T>C)
18174420(G>A)
19047535(T>G)
19225354(G>T)
21035569(T>C)
22293979(C>A)

You can find the latest U152 Tree here: www.r1b.org/docs/FTDNA_U152_Project_Tree.xlsx (http://www.r1b.org/docs/FTDNA_U152_Project_Tree.xlsx)

Bolgeris
01-13-2015, 10:12 PM
Even though FTDNA classifies many of the shared novel variants as "High" or "Medium" quality, the vast majority of them are not stable enough because they occur across many haplogroups. In reality, the "Bolgeri Cluster" is made up of the following eight SNPs:

2716389(G>T)
7035007(A>G)
7610792(T>C)
18174420(G>A)
19047535(T>G)
19225354(G>T)
21035569(T>C)
22293979(C>A)

You can find the latest U152 Tree here: www.r1b.org/docs/FTDNA_U152_Project_Tree.xlsx (http://www.r1b.org/docs/FTDNA_U152_Project_Tree.xlsx)

Thank you very much..
So these 8 SNPs, that we "Bolgeri" we have in common, are those that unite the "Bolgeri" cluster and distancing them from Drouillard ..

At least according to what I can deduce ...

Bolgeris
02-24-2015, 06:29 PM
After accurate control with Yfull ... the results:

Cluster Bolgeri / Drouillard 10 SNP differents from iberian HG01767

7702178
9882218
14543554 class. Y11786 for yfull
14590597
18684555 class. Y11787 for yfull
21605188 class. Y11788 for Yfull
23301577
23758887
4841589
14463704


Cluster "Bolgeri" (Belgeri YF02864 and Belgieri YF01754) no. 9 news SNP:

2716389
7035007
7610792
18174420
19047535
19225354
21035569
22293979
13887944 class. Y11785 for Yfull

New 5 SNP in Belgeri YF02864 and not in Belgieri YF01754:

14168233
15509238
16866340
16890437
16891443

New 11 SNP in Belgieri YF01754 and not in Belgeri YF02864:

15824887
16393249
16891447
19108279
21853937
22460597
23896250
2708780
9973685
2708761
19479106

What do you think ?

Total 19 SNP diff. with other iberian CTS9733 HG01767....

from YFULL

R-CTS9733CTS9733/S3856formed 3800 ybp, TMRCA 3600 ybp
R-CTS9733*
id:HG01767IBS
R-Y11785Y11786 * Y11787 * Y11788... 1 SNPs formed 3600 ybp, TMRCA 1150 ybp
id:YF01754ITA [IT-CO]
id:YF02864ITA [IT-CO]new

Bolgeris
03-07-2015, 01:25 PM
After new accurate control with Yfull ... the results:

Cluster Bolgeri / Drouillard 10 SNP differents from iberian HG01767

7702178 class. Y12489 for YFull
9882218 class. Y12494 for YFull
14543554 class. Y11786 for yfull
14590597 class. Y12486 for YFull
18684555 class. Y11787 for yfull
21605188 class. Y11788 for Yfull
23301577 class. Y12487 for YFull
23758887 class. Y12493 for YFull
4841589 class. Y12491 for YFull
14463704 class. Y12492 for YFull


Cluster "Bolgeri" (Belgeri YF02864 and Belgieri YF01754) no. 7 news SNP for YFull + 2 other SNP (Total 9 SNP?):

2716389 class. Y12490 for YFull
7035007 class. Y12485 for YFull
7610792 class. Y12488 for YFull
18174420 class. Y12495 for YFull
19047535.........YFC061718...............
19225354 class. Y12496 for YFull
21035569 class. Y12497 for YFull
22293979.........YFC071321.................
13887944 class. Y11785 for Yfull

New 5 SNP in Belgeri YF02864 and not in Belgieri YF01754:

14168233
15509238
16866340
16890437
16891443

New 11 SNP in Belgieri YF01754 and not in Belgeri YF02864:

15824887
16393249
16891447
19108279
21853937
22460597
23896250
2708780
9973685
2708761
19479106

What do you think ?

Total 10+7 or 10+ 9 SNP diff. with other iberian CTS9733: HG01767....

from YFULL total 17 new SNP.. in the cluster

Ciao.

Giuseppe Belgieri
FtDna Kit N9198
YFull kit Y01754

Bolgeris
03-28-2016, 10:15 AM
Ftdna changed finally my class.. from L20 to FGC17181

Your Confirmed Haplogroup is R-FGC17181

clade L20 : L20+ and Z383+

Clade CTS9733 : CTS7933 and YSC0000193+

Clade FGC17199 : FGC17199+,

Clade FGC17185: FGC17185+, FGC17189+, FGC17203+, FGC17186+, FGC17190+, FGC17194+,

?? Cluster Bolgeri / Drouillard 10 SNP differents from iberian HG01767

7702178 class. Y12489 for YFull = FGC17185
9882218 class. Y12494 for YFull = FGC17186
14543554 class. Y11786 for yfull = FGC17189
14590597 class. Y12486 for YFull = FGC17190
18684555 class. Y11787 for yfull = FGC17194
21605188 class. Y11788 for Yfull = FGC17199
23301577 class. Y12487 for YFull = FGC17203
23758887 class. Y12493 for YFull = FGC17204
4841589 class. Y12491 for YFull = FGC17182
14463704 class. Y12492 for YFull = ?

Clade FGC17181 "Bolgeri cluster?": FGC17181+, FGC17183+, FGC17184+, FGC17188+, FGC17193+, FGC17196+,

?? Cluster "Bolgeri" (Belgeri YF02864 and Belgieri YF01754) no. 7 news SNP for YFull + 2 other SNP (Total 9 SNP?):

2716389 class. Y12490 for YFull = FGC17181
7035007 class. Y12485 for YFull = FGC17183
7610792 class. Y12488 for YFull = FGC17184
18174420 class. Y12495 for YFull = FGC17193
19047535.........YFC061718...............
19225354 class. Y12496 for YFull = FGC17196
21035569 class. Y12497 for YFull = FGC17198
22293979.........YFC071321.................
13887944 class. Y11785 for Yfull = FGC17188

class. for Yfull

R-CTS9733 : YSC0000193 CTS9733 S3856
R-Y11785 : FGC17203 Y12487 FGC17182 Y12491 FGC17189 Y11786 FGC17198 Y12497 FGC17204 Y12493 Y12492 FGC17199 Y11788 FGC17190 Y12486 FGC17183 Y12485 FGC17186 Y12494 FGC17188 Y11785 FGC17194 Y11787 FGC17181 Y12490 FGC17185 Y12489 FGC17193 Y12495 FGC17196 Y12496 FGC17184 Y12488