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fil
01-29-2015, 05:30 AM
Hello,

I was wondering if someone could interpret my results. I am Malayali (South Indian) and my parents state that we have West Asian ancestry/descendants of Cochin Jews. I wanted to test this and ran my results on several calculators but I am not sure how to interpret it. Any advice would be appreciated!


HarappaWorld Oracle results:
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 S-Indian 44.46
2 Baloch 34.83
3 Caucasian 11.67
4 SW-Asian 2.52
5 Papuan 2.14
6 SE-Asian 1.81


Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 cochin-jew (behar) 5.28
2 kerala-christian (harappa) 6.36
3 tn-brahmin (xing) 8.04
4 rajasthani (harappa) 8.08
5 maharashtrian (harappa) 8.15
6 brahmin-tamil-nadu (metspalu) 8.16
7 karnataka-brahmin (harappa) 8.82
8 meghawal (reich) 8.92
9 iyer-brahmin (harappa) 9.02
10 bihari-muslim (harappa) 9.08
11 kerala-nair (harappa) 9.22
12 ap-hyderabad (harappa) 9.24
13 iyengar-brahmin (harappa) 9.69
14 singapore-indian-b (sgvp) 9.77
15 gujarati (harappa) 9.81
16 up (harappa) 9.89
17 ap-brahmin (xing) 10.04
18 gujarati-b (hapmap) 10.42
19 tamil (harappa) 10.46
20 kerala-muslim (harappa) 10.81

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 77.9% velama (metspalu) + 22.1% iranian (harappa) @ 2.46
2 79.3% velama (metspalu) + 20.7% kurd (xing) @ 2.57
3 84.5% ap-reddy (harappa) + 15.5% georgian (harappa) @ 2.6
4 78.4% velama (metspalu) + 21.6% kurd (harappa) @ 2.61
5 81.7% ap-reddy (harappa) + 18.3% kurd (yunusbayev) @ 2.67
6 84.1% ap-reddy (harappa) + 15.9% armenian (behar) @ 2.7
7 77.8% velama (metspalu) + 22.2% iranian (behar) @ 2.8
8 81.7% ap-reddy (harappa) + 18.3% kurd (xing) @ 2.8
9 81.5% karnataka (harappa) + 18.5% kurd (xing) @ 2.82
10 80.4% ap-reddy (harappa) + 19.6% iranian (harappa) @ 2.84
11 80.9% ap-reddy (harappa) + 19.1% kurd (harappa) @ 2.91
12 83.6% ap-reddy (harappa) + 16.4% assyrian (harappa) @ 2.95
13 83.8% ap-reddy (harappa) + 16.2% azerbaijan-jew (behar) @ 2.96
14 80.3% karnataka (harappa) + 19.7% iranian (harappa) @ 2.96
15 91.8% kerala-christian (harappa) + 8.2% georgian (harappa) @ 3.11
16 82% ap-reddy (harappa) + 18% azeri (harappa) @ 3.11
17 80.2% karnataka (harappa) + 19.8% iranian (behar) @ 3.13
18 85.6% ap-reddy (harappa) + 14.4% abhkasian (yunusbayev) @ 3.13
19 79.6% velama (metspalu) + 20.4% turkish (harappa) @ 3.14
20 92.6% kerala-christian (harappa) + 7.4% georgian (behar) @ 3.14

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 cochin-jew @ 5.637543
2 kerala @ 6.366282
3 kerala-christian @ 7.024290
4 tn-brahmin @ 8.841673
5 rajasthani @ 8.873183
6 brahmin-tamil-nadu @ 8.884654
7 maharashtrian @ 8.972917
8 goan @ 9.393512
9 karnataka-brahmin @ 9.713467
10 meghawal @ 9.846289
11 iyer-brahmin @ 9.944565
12 bihari-muslim @ 9.958426
13 ap-hyderabad @ 10.132053
14 kerala-nair @ 10.178630
15 iyengar-brahmin @ 10.665417
16 singapore-indian-b @ 10.784011
17 gujarati @ 10.811581
18 up @ 10.905982
19 ap-brahmin @ 11.101410
20 kerala-brahmin @ 11.307504

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% bene-israel-jew +50% gujarati-patel @ 3.964958


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% gujarati-patel +25% kurd +25% sakilli @ 2.994921


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 gujarati-patel + iranian + velama + vysya @ 2.710009
2 gujarati-patel + iranian + singapore-indian-a + velama @ 2.793790
3 gujarati-patel + iranian + velama + vysya @ 2.797425
4 gujarati-patel + iranian + piramalai-kallar + velama @ 2.808299
5 ap-reddy + gujarati-patel + iranian + vysya @ 2.822752
6 gujarati-patel + iranian + tamil-nadu-scheduled-caste + velama @ 2.833487
7 gujarati-patel + iranian + tamil-vellalar + velama @ 2.838706
8 gujarati-patel + iranian + tamil-nadu-scheduled-caste + velama @ 2.868165
9 gujarati-patel + iranian + tamil-nadu-scheduled-caste + tamil-vellalar @ 2.874490
10 gujarati-patel + iranian + singapore-indian-a + velama @ 2.882983
11 gujarati-patel + iranian + kurumba + velama @ 2.887512
12 gujarati-patel + iranian + tamil-vellalar + velama @ 2.898129
13 gujarati-a + iranian + velama + vysya @ 2.901991
14 gujarati-patel + iranian + tamil-vellalar + tamil-vellalar @ 2.906006
15 gujarati-patel + kurd + velama + vysya @ 2.911847
16 gujarati-a + iranian + velama + vysya @ 2.916702
17 gujarati-patel + iranian + piramalai-kallar + velama @ 2.923994
18 gujarati-patel + iranian + tamil-nadar + velama @ 2.924168
19 gujarati-patel + iranian + karnataka + vysya @ 2.929506
20 gujarati-patel + kurd + velama + vysya @ 2.977972


Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 South_Asian 57.82
2 West_Asian 26.9
3 East_Med 8.36
4 Oceanian 2.63
5 East_Asian 1.42
6 Northeast_African 0.99
7 Amerindian 0.95
8 Baltic 0.58
9 Siberian 0.35

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kshatriya 9.83
2 Gujarati 9.86
3 Dharkar 12.47
4 Brahmin_UP 12.47
5 Velamas 12.92
6 Bangladeshi 13.28
7 Kanjar 13.61
8 Kurumba 14.55
9 Uttar_Pradesh 16.06
10 Dusadh 16.27
11 Sindhi 16.93
12 Kol 16.96
13 North_Kannadi 18.17
14 Piramalai 18.65
15 Chenchu 18.75
16 Punjabi_Jat 19.86
17 Pathan 21.55
18 Sakilli 22.06
19 Chamar 22.75
20 Burusho 24.38

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 80% Velamas + 20% Kurdish @ 3.25
2 79.3% Velamas + 20.7% Iranian @ 3.48
3 82.1% Velamas + 17.9% Abhkasian @ 3.53
4 75.7% Piramalai + 24.3% Abhkasian @ 3.56
5 82% Velamas + 18% Georgian @ 3.69
6 81.9% Velamas + 18.1% Armenian @ 3.84
7 80.1% Velamas + 19.9% Azeri @ 3.93
8 75.6% Piramalai + 24.4% Georgian @ 4
9 82.1% Velamas + 17.9% Georgian_Jewish @ 4.03
10 78.1% Kurumba + 21.9% Kurdish @ 4.14
11 77.4% Kurumba + 22.6% Iranian @ 4.32
12 80.4% Kurumba + 19.6% Abhkasian @ 4.36
13 81.7% Velamas + 18.3% Adygei @ 4.37
14 81.1% Velamas + 18.9% Kumyk @ 4.4
15 82.3% Velamas + 17.7% Assyrian @ 4.44
16 73.3% Piramalai + 26.7% Kurdish @ 4.45
17 82.1% Velamas + 17.9% North_Ossetian @ 4.62
18 80.4% Kurumba + 19.6% Georgian @ 4.63
19 64.8% Piramalai + 35.2% Makrani @ 4.64
20 81.8% Velamas + 18.2% Ossetian @ 4.66


Dodecad V3
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 South_Asian 54.2
2 West_Asian 17.39
3 Mediterranean 7.55
4 Southeast_Asian 6.52
5 East_European 4.51
6 Southwest_Asian 4.13
7 West_European 2.86
8 Northeast_Asian 2.07
9 Northwest_African 0.4
10 Neo_African 0.37

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Cochin_Jews (Behar) 4.63
2 TN_Brahmin (Xing) 6.9
3 Meghawal (Reich) 7
4 AP_Brahmin (Xing) 8.36
5 Velama (Reich) 8.84
6 Srivastava (Reich) 9.01
7 Vaish (Reich) 10.55
8 Indian (Dodecad) 11.02
9 Sindhi (HGDP) 12
10 Tharu (Reich) 12.18
11 Pakistani (Xing) 12.34
12 INS (SGVP) 12.94
13 Kashmiri_Pandit (Reich) 13.42
14 Lodi (Reich) 13.51
15 Hallaki (Reich) 14.72
16 Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar) 15.1
17 Naidu (Reich) 15.16
18 Burusho (HGDP) 16
19 GIH (HapMap) 16.62
20 Vysya (Reich) 17.71

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 74.2% Vysya (Reich) + 25.8% Iranian (Dodecad) @ 1.88
2 77.6% Hallaki (Reich) + 22.4% Iranian (Dodecad) @ 1.9
3 69% TN_Dalit (Xing) + 31% Iranian (Dodecad) @ 2.08
4 73.5% Vysya (Reich) + 26.5% Kurd (Dodecad) @ 2.21
5 82.8% Hallaki (Reich) + 17.2% Georgians (Behar) @ 2.21
6 86.7% Velama (Reich) + 13.3% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 2.22
7 81.2% Hallaki (Reich) + 18.8% Armenians_16 (Behar) @ 2.28
8 76% Vysya (Reich) + 24% Turks (Behar) @ 2.36
9 63% Hallaki (Reich) + 37% Balochi (HGDP) @ 2.38
10 56% Kurumba (Reich) + 44% Balochi (HGDP) @ 2.41
11 58.5% Vysya (Reich) + 41.5% Balochi (HGDP) @ 2.41
12 52.6% Mala (Reich) + 47.4% Balochi (HGDP) @ 2.41
13 64% Hallaki (Reich) + 36% Brahui (HGDP) @ 2.43
14 53.7% Mala (Reich) + 46.3% Brahui (HGDP) @ 2.43
15 78.5% Bhil (Reich) + 21.5% Georgians (Behar) @ 2.46
16 57.1% Kurumba (Reich) + 42.9% Brahui (HGDP) @ 2.46
17 82.4% Naidu (Reich) + 17.6% Georgians (Behar) @ 2.47
18 63.7% Velama (Reich) + 36.3% Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar) @ 2.53
19 86.8% Velama (Reich) + 13.2% Turks (Behar) @ 2.54
20 57.8% Kamsali (Reich) + 42.2% Balochi (HGDP) @ 2.55


Doug McDonald
The automated computer results are as follows.
Please read the attached .rtf file for an explanation of how to
interpret all the data and plots. Both can be misleading without interpretation.

Most likely fit is 17.0% (+- 1.8%) Mideast (various subcontinents)
and 83.0% (+- 1.8%) S. Asia (all India)

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
Georgian= 0.171 S_India= 0.829 or
Armenian= 0.163 S_India= 0.837 or
Iranian= 0.199 S_India= 0.801 or
Druze= 0.148 S_India= 0.852

a custom fit is

Armenian 0.0525 Sindhi 0.3564 S_India 0.5911 or
Georgian 0.0481 Sindhi 0.3656 S_India 0.5863 or
Iranian 0.0809 Sindhi 0.3120 S_India 0.6071 or
Iranian 0.1464 Brahui 0.1053 S_India 0.7483 or
Georgian 0.0995 Brahui 0.1440 S_India 0.7565 or
Armenian 0.1057 Brahui 0.1366 S_India 0.7577

which is simply adding upt to where the spot on the map is.

Doug McDonald

3623


Thanks.

fil
01-29-2015, 05:34 AM
3624

This was also included in the interpretation by Dr. McDonald

The Barnacle
01-29-2015, 10:07 AM
The west Asian theory is defintley true in your case IMO. You score 8% East med on your eurogenes k13 whereas all South Asians such as punjabis, jatts and mainland Indians score none. That obviously indicates something.

Sapporo
01-29-2015, 10:43 AM
The west Asian theory is defintley true in your case IMO. You score 8% East med on your eurogenes k13 whereas all South Asians such as punjabis, jatts and mainland Indians score none. That obviously indicates something.

I agree. It does seem like he has legitimate West Asian ancestry as shown by the 11%+ Caucasus on HAP despite being Malayli and as you pointed out the 8%+ East Med on Eurogenes K13. Not to mention he has a quite a few West Asian populations in some of his oracles like Dodecad V3.

By the way, some South Asians with no West Asian ancestry do score East Med on Eurogenes K13. I score 2.15% and often 2-3% SW Asian on other calculators like HarappaWorld.

Dr_McNinja
01-29-2015, 11:54 AM
Looks like that's the case:


# Population (source) Distance
1 cochin-jew (behar) 5.28

Can you try the Eurogenes ANE K7 calculator?

Also, what are your Y-DNA and mtDNA haplogroups if you don't mind me asking?

fil
01-29-2015, 12:41 PM
Thanks for replying back. I just ran it.


Eurogenes_ANE K7 Admixture Proportions

Population
ANE 26.94%
ASE 20.43%
WHG-UHG -
East_Eurasian 5.83%
West_African 0.34%
East_African 4.04%
ENF 42.42%


I have L3* and M33a2 according to 23andMe. I think L3* refers to L-M357 (correct me if I am wrong).

fil
01-30-2015, 02:30 PM
What does the Eurogenes ANE K7 calculator indicate?

Thanks

BMG
01-30-2015, 03:11 PM
Hi fil welcome to the forum.from your haplogroups I guess you are of knanaya ancestry. Your west Asian scores are definitely higher for an average malayali but not for knanaya ancestry. I have already seen another knanaya autosomal profile which seem quite similar to yours . Cochin Jew ancestry seems a possible one since they seem to be your closest match

parasar
01-30-2015, 03:38 PM
...

I have L3* and M33a2 according to 23andMe. I think L3* refers to L-M357 (correct me if I am wrong).

L-M357 is also a common haplogroup among the Knanaya. Could I take a look at your STRs (if available)?

fil
01-30-2015, 05:49 PM
Hi fil welcome to the forum.from your haplogroups I guess you are of knanaya ancestry. Your west Asian scores are definitely higher for an average malayali but not for knanaya ancestry. I have already seen another knanaya autosomal profile which seem quite similar to yours . Cochin Jew ancestry seems a possible one since they seem to be your closest match

Yes I am Knanaya. Is L-M357 uncommon in India? So other Knanayas have West Asian scores similar to mine? I was really surprised to be matched closer to Cochin Jews than Kerala Christians.


L-M357 is also a common haplogroup among the Knanaya. Could I take a look at your STRs (if available)?

Sorry I am new to this. What are the STRs and how to I access them?

Dr_McNinja
01-30-2015, 06:44 PM
L-M357 is pretty common in India, just not in all parts.

STR vs. SNP:

https://www.familytreedna.com/learn/types-tests/
https://www.familytreedna.com/learn/y-dna-snp-testing-haplogroups/
https://www.familytreedna.com/learn/y-dna-testing/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STR_analysis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-nucleotide_polymorphism

parasar
01-30-2015, 06:50 PM
Yes I am Knanaya. Is L-M357 uncommon in India? So other Knanayas have West Asian scores similar to mine? I was really surprised to be matched closer to Cochin Jews than Kerala Christians.



Sorry I am new to this. What are the STRs and how to I access them?

You have to have been tested for them by a company such as FTDNA.
In addition to the links Dr_McNinja provided, please also see: https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Y-Haplogroup-L/default.aspx?section=yresults

Sapporo
01-30-2015, 07:06 PM
L-M357 is pretty common in India, just not in all parts.

STR vs. SNP:

https://www.familytreedna.com/learn/types-tests/
https://www.familytreedna.com/learn/y-dna-snp-testing-haplogroups/
https://www.familytreedna.com/learn/y-dna-testing/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STR_analysis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-nucleotide_polymorphism

I know it's fairly common among in Punjab in groups like Jatts as well as some Keralan communities like Syrian Christians but where else? In my haplogroup map in hte L1c-M357 thread, it appears to peak in the Northwestern part of South Asia as well as its extreme Northwestern fringe areas such as Chitral.

fil
01-30-2015, 07:46 PM
Thank you for the information. I have not taken an STR test yet. I will post it when I do.

As for L-M357 from the post here (http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?1376-Origin-and-Distribution-of-L1c-M357) it seems concentrated in Afghanistan/Pakistan region. It makes sense how it migrated to Punjab but I am confused why it is so concentrated in Kerala.

Does my West Asian ancestry correspond to Western Iran/Eastern Iraq region?

parasar
01-30-2015, 08:09 PM
Thank you for the information. I have not taken an STR test yet. I will post it when I do.

As for L-M357 from the post here (http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?1376-Origin-and-Distribution-of-L1c-M357) it seems concentrated in Afghanistan/Pakistan region. It makes sense how it migrated to Punjab but I am confused why it is so concentrated in Kerala.

Does my West Asian ancestry correspond to Western Iran/Eastern Iraq region?

I would say that L overall has a western spread in South Asia with the M76 variant being much more common.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/42/Distribution_Haplogroup_L_Y-DNA.svg/823px-Distribution_Haplogroup_L_Y-DNA.svg.png
"Distribution Haplogroup L Y-DNA" by Crates - Own work. Licensed under GFDL via Wikimedia Commons - http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Distribution_Haplogroup_L_Y-DNA.svg#mediaviewer/File:Distribution_Haplogroup_L_Y-DNA.svg


The M357 variant is lower in proportion (except in some areas where it looks to have expanded recently), but is as widespread geographically as M76 in South Asia.
Tamil populations: http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?1376-Origin-and-Distribution-of-L1c-M357&p=15339&viewfull=1#post15339

In the list below, it is seen in Telugus (ITU), Bengalis (BEB ), and Lankan Tamils (STU):
L-L1307Y6263 * Y5558 * Y5556... 83 SNPs
L-L1307*
id:HG03790ITU
L-M2398M2398 * Z5919
L-M2398*
id:HG03821BEB
L-Z5920Z5920
L-Z5920*
id:HG03695STU
L-Z5921Z5922 * Z5921
L-Z5921*
id:HG03672STU
id:HG04094ITU
L-M5513S24402 * Z5923 * M5513
id:HG03753STU
id:HG03900STU

dp
01-30-2015, 08:25 PM
Dear fil,
When you have your Y-Single tandem repeats tested (STRs) I would recommend you upload your results from FamilyTreeDNA to ysearch.org (http://ysearch.org). Then, I think, all you need to share is your kit id number for people to check your numbers. Also, you can see who matches you closely even if they tested with other companies besides FamilyTreeDNA.
For example on ysearch my str's are under kit id: atr94 (http://www.ysearch.org/search_results.asp?uid=atr94&min_markers=60&mismatch_type=absolute&mismatches_max=4&mismatches_sliding_starting_marker=8&lastname_limiter=none&recaptcha_challenge_field=03AHJ_VusnxkdIXJnmp1gbds tNBs0qEbkCC3-gx7JiRIEcdHfVFf8b0fwXzzUGQ1jLXNYSPsar_DCWR7w7VstWD QjVicdxA3s7PmcWjJXlpJi_IgsfaGdkjtdLLDldHECew3IxnA3 vTbG5wOdV5jU22twRS1D36aCUEmVPGIpyar-fh805jG_D0Zs&recaptcha_response_field=wholleg+has&haplo=&region=). The id also works for mitosearch if you have mitochondrial testing done.

Thank you for the information. I have not taken an STR test yet. I will post it when I do.
PS: Please post more Oracle4's. Have you run World9?
dp :-)

BMG
01-30-2015, 08:28 PM
Yes Im Knanaya. Is L-M357 uncommon in India? So other Knanayas have West Asian scores similar to mine? I was really surprised to be matched closer to Cochin Jews than Kerala Christians.

Your mtdna is very common among knanaya .in fact all the 9 results at ftdna project have M33a2 . I think that is due to inbreeding with very few maternal founders .L3/L1c is essentially south Asian one though there are some pockets outside like Chechens.Never mind high frequencies among Kerala Christians since it is mostly due to founder effect .My maternal grandfather's line is L1c and he is a Jacobite christian .L1c is found at low frequencies in other south Indian groups too . By looking at STR values L1c found among us seems to cluster with other south Indians rather than with jatts and pathans. So overall your uniparental markers are not indicative of any west Asian ancestry but your austomal results are . The 'Caucasian' in your harappa results is 5% higher than the average of Syrian Christians in the project .

Dr_McNinja
01-30-2015, 08:32 PM
Yfull calls it L-L1307 it looks like:

http://yfull.com/tree/L/

I'm guessing those new Russian results are Chechens. Wonder where Punjabi and Afghan L1c would fall.

fil
01-30-2015, 09:36 PM
Dear fil,
When you have your Y-Single tandem repeats tested (STRs) I would recommend you upload your results from FamilyTreeDNA to ysearch.org (http://ysearch.org). Then, I think, all you need to share is your kit id number for people to check your numbers. Also, you can see who matches you closely even if they tested with other companies besides FamilyTreeDNA.
For example on ysearch my str's are under kit id: atr94 (http://www.ysearch.org/search_results.asp?uid=atr94&min_markers=60&mismatch_type=absolute&mismatches_max=4&mismatches_sliding_starting_marker=8&lastname_limiter=none&recaptcha_challenge_field=03AHJ_VusnxkdIXJnmp1gbds tNBs0qEbkCC3-gx7JiRIEcdHfVFf8b0fwXzzUGQ1jLXNYSPsar_DCWR7w7VstWD QjVicdxA3s7PmcWjJXlpJi_IgsfaGdkjtdLLDldHECew3IxnA3 vTbG5wOdV5jU22twRS1D36aCUEmVPGIpyar-fh805jG_D0Zs&recaptcha_response_field=wholleg+has&haplo=Žion=). The id also works for mitosearch if you have mitochondrial testing done.

PS: Please post more Oracle4's. Have you run World9?
dp :-)

Hi David,

Thank you for your input. What are the advantages of having STR tested? (What does it able tell that 23andMe/Gedmatch unable to).

I have posted my Oracle4's for Eurogenes and Dodecad V3 which I forgot to include in my initial post. I also have my World9 results below.
Thanks

Eurogenes K13 Oracle4 results

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Gujarati @ 11.094069
2 Kshatriya @ 11.138709
3 Dharkar @ 14.164820
4 Brahmin_UP @ 14.188248
5 Bangladeshi @ 14.532422
6 Velamas @ 14.604483
7 Kanjar @ 15.520154
8 Kurumba @ 16.541491
9 Uttar_Pradesh @ 18.316818
10 Dusadh @ 18.515001
11 Sindhi @ 19.213881
12 Kol @ 19.301836
13 North_Kannadi @ 20.719303
14 Piramalai @ 21.216848
15 Chenchu @ 21.268675
16 Punjabi_Jat @ 22.479914
17 Pathan @ 24.265610
18 Sakilli @ 25.133720
19 Chamar @ 25.950665
20 Burusho @ 27.260216

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Chenchu +50% Sindhi @ 6.866527


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Dusadh +25% Kurdish +25% Velamas @ 5.165215


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Abhkasian + Piramalai + Piramalai + Piramalai @ 3.819228
2 Kurdish + Piramalai + Velamas + Velamas @ 4.098578
3 Iranian + Piramalai + Velamas + Velamas @ 4.155092
4 Kurdish + Piramalai + Piramalai + Velamas @ 4.236754
5 Abhkasian + Piramalai + Piramalai + Velamas @ 4.251540
6 Kurdish + Kurumba + Piramalai + Velamas @ 4.252683
7 Abhkasian + Piramalai + Sakilli + Velamas @ 4.263294
8 Abhkasian + Piramalai + Piramalai + Sakilli @ 4.282680
9 Georgian + Piramalai + Piramalai + Piramalai @ 4.329025
10 Iranian + Kurumba + Piramalai + Velamas @ 4.356904
11 Abhkasian + Kurumba + Piramalai + Piramalai @ 4.383422
12 Abhkasian + Chamar + Piramalai + Velamas @ 4.412066
13 Iranian + Velamas + Velamas + Velamas @ 4.421526
14 Abhkasian + Dusadh + Piramalai + Piramalai @ 4.423711
15 Iranian + Kurumba + Velamas + Velamas @ 4.432297
16 Kurdish + Kurumba + Kurumba + Piramalai @ 4.511983
17 Abhkasian + Chamar + Piramalai + Piramalai @ 4.512379
18 Abhkasian + Kurumba + Piramalai + Sakilli @ 4.524008
19 Georgian + Piramalai + Piramalai + Velamas @ 4.549012
20 Iranian + Kurumba + Kurumba + Velamas @ 4.550395


Dodecad V3 Oracle4 results

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Cochin_Jews @ 5.155724
2 TN_Brahmin @ 7.609082
3 Meghawal @ 7.717153
4 AP_Brahmin @ 9.338551
5 Velama @ 9.667287
6 Srivastava @ 10.016897
7 Vaish @ 11.779643
8 Indian @ 12.047786
9 Sindhi @ 12.842216
10 Tharu @ 13.366828
11 Pakistani @ 13.445129
12 INS @ 14.340172
13 Kashmiri_Pandit @ 14.811628
14 Lodi @ 15.028790
15 Hallaki @ 16.361946
16 Bnei_Menashe_Jews @ 16.500532
17 Vysya @ 16.737223
18 Naidu @ 16.870928
19 Burusho @ 17.518312
20 GIH @ 18.152607

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Balochi +50% Mala @ 2.827958


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% INS +25% Iranian +25% TN_Dalit @ 2.328097


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Iranian + North_Kannadi + TN_Brahmin + Kurumba @ 1.503657
2 INS + Iranian + TN_Dalit + Vysya @ 1.575095
3 Iranian + TN_Dalit + Bhil + Velama @ 1.580688
4 GIH + Iranian + Kurumba + Vysya @ 1.586103
5 Iranian + AP_Madiga + TN_Dalit + Velama @ 1.606266
6 Iranian + TN_Dalit + Chenchu + Velama @ 1.634084
7 INS + Iranian + TN_Dalit + Hallaki @ 1.711182
8 Bnei_Menashe_Jews + Kashmiri_Pandit + Velama + Vysya @ 1.716818
9 GIH + Iranian + AP_Madiga + Vysya @ 1.719931
10 Iranian + TN_Dalit + Hallaki + Vysya @ 1.740606
11 GIH + Iranian + Kurumba + Kurumba @ 1.773567
12 Iranian + TN_Dalit + Mala + Velama @ 1.777214
13 Iranian + TN_Dalit + Hallaki + Hallaki @ 1.780297
14 GIH + Iranian + Mala + Vysya @ 1.786216
15 Iranian + North_Kannadi + Srivastava + Vysya @ 1.796339
16 INS + Iranian + Mala + Vysya @ 1.805661
17 Iranian + TN_Dalit + TN_Dalit + Srivastava @ 1.815634
18 Iranian + TN_Dalit + Kurumba + Velama @ 1.821594
19 Iranian + North_Kannadi + Hallaki + Velama @ 1.832263
20 GIH + Iranian + Hallaki + Kurumba @ 1.836651


World9 Oracle4 Results

1 South_Asian 50.79
2 Caucasus_Gedrosia 37.24
3 Southern 6.12
4 East_Asian 2.22
5 Australasian 2.03

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Cochin_Jews @ 5.495955
2 Brahmins_from_Tamil_Nadu @ 7.776968
3 Indian @ 7.873769
4 Meena @ 9.123140
5 GIH30 @ 9.491214
6 Kshatriya @ 11.246963
7 Meghawal @ 12.234797
8 Bengali @ 12.515326
9 Lambadi @ 12.574231
10 Kurmi @ 12.913998
11 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh @ 12.976432
12 Tharus @ 13.117763
13 INS30 @ 13.534379
14 Muslim @ 14.849828
15 Dharkars @ 15.829437
16 Bnei_Menashe_Jews @ 16.474920
17 Sindhi @ 17.312685
18 Kanjars @ 18.409880
19 Tamil_Nadu_Scheduled_Caste @ 18.867987
20 Uttar_Pradesh_Scheduled_Caste @ 19.742336

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Balochi +50% Hakkipikki @ 2.310165


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Balochi +25% Paniya +25% Tamil_Nadu_Scheduled_Caste @ 1.535553


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Balochi + Balochi + Paniya + Tamil_Nadu_Scheduled_Caste @ 1.535553
2 Balochi + Balochi + Paniya + Kurumba @ 1.708148
3 Balochi + Brahui + Paniya + Tamil_Nadu_Scheduled_Caste @ 1.721395
4 Balochi + Brahui + Paniya + Piramalai_Kallars @ 1.745459
5 Balochi + Brahui + Paniya + Kurumba @ 1.755483
6 Balochi + Balochi + Piramalai_Kallars + Pulliyar @ 1.797092
7 Balochi + Balochi + Paniya + Piramalai_Kallars @ 1.850189
8 Brahui + Brahui + Paniya + Piramalai_Kallars @ 1.853380
9 Balochi + Brahui + Piramalai_Kallars + Pulliyar @ 1.939354
10 Balochi + Balochi + Kurumba + Pulliyar @ 1.946589
11 Balochi + Balochi + Pulliyar + Tamil_Nadu_Scheduled_Caste @ 1.966848
12 Brahui + Brahui + Paniya + Kurumba @ 1.967788
13 Balochi + Balochi + Paniya + Dusadh @ 1.982237
14 Balochi + Brahui + Paniya + Dusadh @ 1.983894
15 Brahui + Brahui + Paniya + Tamil_Nadu_Scheduled_Caste @ 2.065062
16 Balochi + Balochi + Dusadh + Pulliyar @ 2.072317
17 Brahui + Cochin_Jews + Bengali + Piramalai_Kallars @ 2.118876
18 Brahui + Cochin_Jews + Chenchus + Meghawal @ 2.134886
19 Balochi + Cochin_Jews + Bengali + Tamil_Nadu_Scheduled_Caste @ 2.152119
20 Brahui + Brahui + Paniya + Dusadh @ 2.155959

fil
01-30-2015, 09:40 PM
So overall your uniparental markers are not indicative of any west Asian ancestry but your austomal results are . The 'Caucasian' in your harappa results is 5% higher than the average of Syrian Christians in the project .

So what does that mean? Is that unusual?

parasar
01-30-2015, 09:46 PM
Yfull calls it L-L1307 it looks like:

http://yfull.com/tree/L/

I'm guessing those new Russian results are Chechens. Wonder where Punjabi and Afghan L1c would fall.

I had reviewed the STRs a while back - as I recall the Chechens are close to the Jatt, UP Rajput, and Pakhtoon variety.
The southern Indian ones were more distant.

dp
01-30-2015, 09:54 PM
Hi David,

Thank you for your input. What are the advantages of having STR tested? (What does it able tell that 23andMe/Gedmatch unable to).

I have posted my Oracle4's for Eurogenes and Dodecad V3 which I forgot to include in my initial post. I also have my World9 results below.
Thanks

Eurogenes K13 Oracle4 results

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Gujarati @ 11.094069
2 Kshatriya @ 11.138709
3 Dharkar @ 14.164820
4 Brahmin_UP @ 14.188248
5 Bangladeshi @ 14.532422
6 Velamas @ 14.604483
7 Kanjar @ 15.520154
8 Kurumba @ 16.541491
9 Uttar_Pradesh @ 18.316818
10 Dusadh @ 18.515001
11 Sindhi @ 19.213881
12 Kol @ 19.301836
13 North_Kannadi @ 20.719303
14 Piramalai @ 21.216848
15 Chenchu @ 21.268675
16 Punjabi_Jat @ 22.479914
17 Pathan @ 24.265610
18 Sakilli @ 25.133720
19 Chamar @ 25.950665
20 Burusho @ 27.260216

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Chenchu +50% Sindhi @ 6.866527


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Dusadh +25% Kurdish +25% Velamas @ 5.165215


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Abhkasian + Piramalai + Piramalai + Piramalai @ 3.819228
2 Kurdish + Piramalai + Velamas + Velamas @ 4.098578
3 Iranian + Piramalai + Velamas + Velamas @ 4.155092
4 Kurdish + Piramalai + Piramalai + Velamas @ 4.236754
5 Abhkasian + Piramalai + Piramalai + Velamas @ 4.251540
6 Kurdish + Kurumba + Piramalai + Velamas @ 4.252683
7 Abhkasian + Piramalai + Sakilli + Velamas @ 4.263294
8 Abhkasian + Piramalai + Piramalai + Sakilli @ 4.282680
9 Georgian + Piramalai + Piramalai + Piramalai @ 4.329025
10 Iranian + Kurumba + Piramalai + Velamas @ 4.356904
11 Abhkasian + Kurumba + Piramalai + Piramalai @ 4.383422
12 Abhkasian + Chamar + Piramalai + Velamas @ 4.412066
13 Iranian + Velamas + Velamas + Velamas @ 4.421526
14 Abhkasian + Dusadh + Piramalai + Piramalai @ 4.423711
15 Iranian + Kurumba + Velamas + Velamas @ 4.432297
16 Kurdish + Kurumba + Kurumba + Piramalai @ 4.511983
17 Abhkasian + Chamar + Piramalai + Piramalai @ 4.512379
18 Abhkasian + Kurumba + Piramalai + Sakilli @ 4.524008
19 Georgian + Piramalai + Piramalai + Velamas @ 4.549012
20 Iranian + Kurumba + Kurumba + Velamas @ 4.550395


Dodecad V3 Oracle4 results

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Cochin_Jews @ 5.155724
2 TN_Brahmin @ 7.609082
3 Meghawal @ 7.717153
4 AP_Brahmin @ 9.338551
5 Velama @ 9.667287
6 Srivastava @ 10.016897
7 Vaish @ 11.779643
8 Indian @ 12.047786
9 Sindhi @ 12.842216
10 Tharu @ 13.366828
11 Pakistani @ 13.445129
12 INS @ 14.340172
13 Kashmiri_Pandit @ 14.811628
14 Lodi @ 15.028790
15 Hallaki @ 16.361946
16 Bnei_Menashe_Jews @ 16.500532
17 Vysya @ 16.737223
18 Naidu @ 16.870928
19 Burusho @ 17.518312
20 GIH @ 18.152607

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Balochi +50% Mala @ 2.827958


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% INS +25% Iranian +25% TN_Dalit @ 2.328097


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Iranian + North_Kannadi + TN_Brahmin + Kurumba @ 1.503657
2 INS + Iranian + TN_Dalit + Vysya @ 1.575095
3 Iranian + TN_Dalit + Bhil + Velama @ 1.580688
4 GIH + Iranian + Kurumba + Vysya @ 1.586103
5 Iranian + AP_Madiga + TN_Dalit + Velama @ 1.606266
6 Iranian + TN_Dalit + Chenchu + Velama @ 1.634084
7 INS + Iranian + TN_Dalit + Hallaki @ 1.711182
8 Bnei_Menashe_Jews + Kashmiri_Pandit + Velama + Vysya @ 1.716818
9 GIH + Iranian + AP_Madiga + Vysya @ 1.719931
10 Iranian + TN_Dalit + Hallaki + Vysya @ 1.740606
11 GIH + Iranian + Kurumba + Kurumba @ 1.773567
12 Iranian + TN_Dalit + Mala + Velama @ 1.777214
13 Iranian + TN_Dalit + Hallaki + Hallaki @ 1.780297
14 GIH + Iranian + Mala + Vysya @ 1.786216
15 Iranian + North_Kannadi + Srivastava + Vysya @ 1.796339
16 INS + Iranian + Mala + Vysya @ 1.805661
17 Iranian + TN_Dalit + TN_Dalit + Srivastava @ 1.815634
18 Iranian + TN_Dalit + Kurumba + Velama @ 1.821594
19 Iranian + North_Kannadi + Hallaki + Velama @ 1.832263
20 GIH + Iranian + Hallaki + Kurumba @ 1.836651


World9 Oracle4 Results

1 South_Asian 50.79
2 Caucasus_Gedrosia 37.24
3 Southern 6.12
4 East_Asian 2.22
5 Australasian 2.03

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Cochin_Jews @ 5.495955
2 Brahmins_from_Tamil_Nadu @ 7.776968
3 Indian @ 7.873769
4 Meena @ 9.123140
5 GIH30 @ 9.491214
6 Kshatriya @ 11.246963
7 Meghawal @ 12.234797
8 Bengali @ 12.515326
9 Lambadi @ 12.574231
10 Kurmi @ 12.913998
11 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh @ 12.976432
12 Tharus @ 13.117763
13 INS30 @ 13.534379
14 Muslim @ 14.849828
15 Dharkars @ 15.829437
16 Bnei_Menashe_Jews @ 16.474920
17 Sindhi @ 17.312685
18 Kanjars @ 18.409880
19 Tamil_Nadu_Scheduled_Caste @ 18.867987
20 Uttar_Pradesh_Scheduled_Caste @ 19.742336

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Balochi +50% Hakkipikki @ 2.310165


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Balochi +25% Paniya +25% Tamil_Nadu_Scheduled_Caste @ 1.535553


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Balochi + Balochi + Paniya + Tamil_Nadu_Scheduled_Caste @ 1.535553
2 Balochi + Balochi + Paniya + Kurumba @ 1.708148
3 Balochi + Brahui + Paniya + Tamil_Nadu_Scheduled_Caste @ 1.721395
4 Balochi + Brahui + Paniya + Piramalai_Kallars @ 1.745459
5 Balochi + Brahui + Paniya + Kurumba @ 1.755483
6 Balochi + Balochi + Piramalai_Kallars + Pulliyar @ 1.797092
7 Balochi + Balochi + Paniya + Piramalai_Kallars @ 1.850189
8 Brahui + Brahui + Paniya + Piramalai_Kallars @ 1.853380
9 Balochi + Brahui + Piramalai_Kallars + Pulliyar @ 1.939354
10 Balochi + Balochi + Kurumba + Pulliyar @ 1.946589
11 Balochi + Balochi + Pulliyar + Tamil_Nadu_Scheduled_Caste @ 1.966848
12 Brahui + Brahui + Paniya + Kurumba @ 1.967788
13 Balochi + Balochi + Paniya + Dusadh @ 1.982237
14 Balochi + Brahui + Paniya + Dusadh @ 1.983894
15 Brahui + Brahui + Paniya + Tamil_Nadu_Scheduled_Caste @ 2.065062
16 Balochi + Balochi + Dusadh + Pulliyar @ 2.072317
17 Brahui + Cochin_Jews + Bengali + Piramalai_Kallars @ 2.118876
18 Brahui + Cochin_Jews + Chenchus + Meghawal @ 2.134886
19 Balochi + Cochin_Jews + Bengali + Tamil_Nadu_Scheduled_Caste @ 2.152119
20 Brahui + Brahui + Paniya + Dusadh @ 2.155959


Your STRs would tell you about the recent origins of your male line (that of your surname). Like in my case if you click on the atr94 link you would notice my closest matches are in the Hodge family. Apparently in the last 200-500 years their family and mine diverged into separate surnames.
SNPs tell you about the ancient. Unless you do a BIG-Y. That expensive test has the chance of finding more recent SNPs.
Either of these are taken from your Y chromosome, whereas GEDmatch is using your autosomal DNA that was passed to you by all of your ancestors.

BMG
01-31-2015, 03:11 AM
So what does that mean? Is that unusual?
It means some of your ancestors down the line could be from West Asia but not your direct paternal and maternal ancestors.
What is your 23andme ancestry composition like?

fil
01-31-2015, 04:06 AM
It means some of your ancestors down the line could be from West Asia but not your direct paternal and maternal ancestors.
What is your 23andme ancestry composition like?

Direct parental line meaning father's father's father while indirect would be like your mother's father's mother?

It's South Asian

jesus
01-31-2015, 04:15 AM
Direct parental line meaning father's father's father while indirect would be like your mother's father's mother?



Exactly. Since your Paternal line is found in South central Asia, NW south Asia and parts of west Asia and the Caucasus, there is still a chance of you having direct paternal south central Asian or West asian ancestry. The only way to find it is to get tested through companies like FTDNA.

tamilgangster
01-31-2015, 07:23 AM
Obviously high caste south Indian, but nonbrahmin, due to lack of northern european component. But I highly doubt any west asian admixtruee due to lack med component on harappa DNA and very low SW asian

Sapporo
01-31-2015, 08:54 AM
Obviously high caste south Indian, but nonbrahmin, due to lack of northern european component. But I highly doubt any west asian admixtruee due to lack med component on harappa DNA and very low SW asian

Not really. The Caucasus component is a better indication of West Asian admixture for a South Asian than Harappa SW Asian which peaks in the Arab Gulf countries and especially Mediterranean, which peaks in Southern Europe and North Africa. Look at the oracles as well. They show him to be a non-Brahmin South Indian with some West Asian admixture consistently.

fil
02-01-2015, 12:10 AM
A friend who also is Knanaya has also ran the Harappa Calculator. His oracle results are significantly different from mine.

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3684
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tamilgangster
02-03-2015, 10:30 AM
Not really. The Caucasus component is a better indication of West Asian admixture for a South Asian than Harappa SW Asian which peaks in the Arab Gulf countries and especially Mediterranean, which peaks in Southern Europe and North Africa. Look at the oracles as well. They show him to be a non-Brahmin South Indian with some West Asian admixture consistently.

1) Caucasus component is an indicator of west asian admixture, from iran/central asia(not semetic) when discussing muslim populations in North India.
2) Kerala populations didnot come into contact with populations from iran/central asia, but communities such as saint thomas christians, cochin jews and mapillais did come into contact with semetic populations. Meaning if there was west asian admixture, there would be visible amounts of med and SW asian components.
3) South Indian tribal populations such as paniyars and irulas show elevated caucasian component, meaning OPs elevated Caucasian component could be noise

Sapporo
02-04-2015, 01:18 AM
1) Caucasus component is an indicator of west asian admixture, from iran/central asia(not semetic) when discussing muslim populations in North India.
2) Kerala populations didnot come into contact with populations from iran/central asia, but communities such as saint thomas christians, cochin jews and mapillais did come into contact with semetic populations. Meaning if there was west asian admixture, there would be visible amounts of med and SW asian components.
3) South Indian tribal populations such as paniyars and irulas show elevated caucasian component, meaning OPs elevated Caucasian component could be noise

The predominant component among Semitic speakers such as Iraqis and Levantines is the Caucasus component. The Med and SW Asian components are distant 2nd, 3rd or 4th. Unless I'm mistaken, weren't the West Asian Semitic speaking populations who came into contact with South Indians from the Levant/Mesopotamia rather than the Arab states of the Persian Gulf such as Saudia Arabia, Yemen and Oman?

tamilgangster
02-04-2015, 03:02 AM
Yes, archaically, but that west eurasian admixture shows up as part of the Balochi component on harrappa DNA, or ANI, or even part of a south asian component. Most recent west asian admixture in Kerala specifically, came from the levant(in the case of saint thomas christians) or Hadramaut,yemen(for Mapillas). Even though the predominant component in Levantines is Caucasian, Mediteranian comes 2nd, meaning i he had ancestry from their he would still score some mediteranian, but he has none.

It is possible though that, the Med component in the Levant is recent, due to roman empire, crusades ottomans slave trade etc, and saint thomas christians are as old has the biblical times

fil
02-05-2015, 12:12 AM
Yes, archaically, but that west eurasian admixture shows up as part of the Balochi component on harrappa DNA, or ANI, or even part of a south asian component. Most recent west asian admixture in Kerala specifically, came from the levant(in the case of saint thomas christians) or Hadramaut,yemen(for Mapillas). Even though the predominant component in Levantines is Caucasian, Mediteranian comes 2nd, meaning i he had ancestry from their he would still score some mediteranian, but he has none.

It is possible though that, the Med component in the Levant is recent, due to roman empire, crusades ottomans slave trade etc, and saint thomas christians are as old has the biblical times

Why is the Caucasian component high? Do other South indians have similar levels? Does that mean I am more closely related to Cochin Jews than Kerala Christians? What if the admixture is with non-Levantine people?

Also I received an email from a user named noel who is Iranian (from Khuzestan). He told me he has m33a2.

AJL
02-05-2015, 03:07 AM
The predominant component among Semitic speakers such as Iraqis and Levantines is the Caucasus component.

Levantines are actually high in Mediterranean in Dodecad 3. Druze, Samaritans, several Jewish groups, Cypriots, Bedouins, Assyrians, Palestinians, Lebanese, and Egyptians all have it as a strong second or sometimes as a number 1 component. Even Armenians, Kurds, and Turks have it as a fairly strong number 2. The thing about it is Mediterranean drops off rather abruptly as you go deep into the Arabian Peninsula, becoming quite low in Saudis and Yemenites.

Apart from Assyrians and several Caucasus-area Jewish groups who have evidently absorbed local genes, few Semitic speakers will be much higher in West Asian than in Mediterranean.

tamilgangster
02-05-2015, 03:23 AM
His results are interesting, because its rare for south indians to have a caucasian component that high. These high levels of caucasian component are only found among south indian tribals(who lack baloch component). I ruled out any possibility of him being a brahmin due to lack of Northern Euro. Honestly the only south indian I think he could be is a hyderbadi muslim, who have direct mughal lineage.

FInal Answer Hyderbadi muslim

Sapporo
02-05-2015, 06:42 AM
Levantines are actually high in Mediterranean in Dodecad 3. Druze, Samaritans, several Jewish groups, Cypriots, Bedouins, Assyrians, Palestinians, Lebanese, and Egyptians all have it as a strong second or sometimes as a number 1 component. Even Armenians, Kurds, and Turks have it as a fairly strong number 2. The thing about it is Mediterranean drops off rather abruptly as you go deep into the Arabian Peninsula, becoming quite low in Saudis and Yemenites.

Apart from Assyrians and several Caucasus-area Jewish groups who have evidently absorbed local genes, few Semitic speakers will be much higher in West Asian than in Mediterranean.

Fair point for Dodecad V3 (even I score almost 6% Med on there despite usually scoring 1% at most)but Lebanese Druze, Christians and Muslims all score higher SW Asian (21-23%) than Mediterranean (10-14%) in HAP and Dodecad K12b while at the same time scoring between 45-50% Caucasus. Cypriots score almost evenly in Mediterranean and SW Asian on HAP. For all these groups, the Caucasian component is the most dominant by far. Palestinians score even less Med than Lebanese at 10% while scoring 40% Caucasus and 25% SW Asian on HAP.

BMG
02-05-2015, 05:16 PM
Yes, archaically, but that west eurasian admixture shows up as part of the Balochi component on harrappa DNA, or ANI, or even part of a south asian component. Most recent west asian admixture in Kerala specifically, came from the levant(in the case of saint thomas christians) or Hadramaut,yemen(for Mapillas). Even though the predominant component in Levantines is Caucasian, Mediteranian comes 2nd, meaning i he had ancestry from their he would still score some mediteranian, but he has none.

It is possible though that, the Med component in the Levant is recent, due to roman empire, crusades ottomans slave trade etc, and saint thomas christians are as old has the biblical times
The west Asian ancestry claimed by some st thomas happen to be from Iraq,Armenia and turkey . The ancestor of knanaya knai thoma is said to be from Edessa which is in northern mesopotamia .

BMG
02-05-2015, 05:27 PM
Fair point for Dodecad V3 (even I score almost 6% Med on there despite usually scoring 1% at most)but Lebanese Druze, Christians and Muslims all score higher SW Asian (21-23%) than Mediterranean (10-14%) in HAP and Dodecad K12b while at the same time scoring between 45-50% Caucasus. Cypriots score almost evenly in Mediterranean and SW Asian on HAP. For all these groups, the Caucasian component is the most dominant by far. Palestinians score even less Med than Lebanese at 10% while scoring 40% Caucasus and 25% SW Asian on HAP.
Dodecad V3 shows higher med for south asians. fil has ~8% med in dodecad V3 .But still lack of
med in HAP confuses me yet still I don't have better explanation than possible west Asian ancestry in his case.

fil
02-06-2015, 06:01 AM
Iranians have low Mediterranean so would that be the explanation?

kenji.aryan
02-26-2015, 02:29 AM
So one of my DNA relative who is sharing 1 segment on 23andme is from "Saini" caste which is quite interesting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saini

fil
03-03-2015, 12:36 AM
Dodecad V3 shows higher med for south asians. fil has ~8% med in dodecad V3 .But still lack of
med in HAP confuses me yet still I don't have better explanation than possible west Asian ancestry in his case.

I realized it does have Med but it is quite small so it didn't show up in Oracle view


Population
S-Indian 44.46%
Baloch 34.83%
Caucasian 11.67%
NE-Euro -
SE-Asian 1.81%
Siberian 0.55%
NE-Asian 0.80%
Papuan 2.14%
American 0.27%
Beringian -
Mediterranean 0.94%
SW-Asian 2.52%
San -
E-African -
Pygmy -
W-African -

jesus
04-16-2015, 09:29 PM
I have an Indian born relative in 23andme, I contacted him and he said that he had some Iranian ancestors. He's 96% South asian and 2% Middle eastern. His Y-DNA is J2. He's a Muslim tho. There was a significant Iranian and middle eastern influence in Parts of south asia. You should check and your reletives ethnicities on Gedmtach to know better about your middle eastern ancestors.

J Man
04-16-2015, 09:49 PM
Overall Indians especially North Indians have a lot of ancestry that originally comes from the Near East/West Asia.

Kurd
04-16-2015, 10:20 PM
Overall Indians especially North Indians have a lot of ancestry that originally comes from the Near East/West Asia.

My wife's lineage (Punjabi Rajput maternally), is T2a1a, which is near eastern, if I am not mistaken.

MonkeyDLuffy
04-19-2015, 01:51 AM
Overall Indians especially North Indians have a lot of ancestry that originally comes from the Near East/West Asia.

I don't show any middle eastern ancestry on 23&me but lots of people of my tribe on 23&me has significant ME mixture, one individual who has same paternal surname as me scores 6% ME on 23&me. Also baloch components peaks in my tribe in comprison to other punjabis but i am the odd one, with results more similar to kashmiris pundits and muslims. My euro component is lot higher than samples of people of My tribe.

Also the kalash component is higher (i forgot the calculator name but the component was called indo iranian) in me in comparison to other north indians and pakistanis.

parasar
05-08-2015, 06:44 PM
Your mtdna is very common among knanaya .in fact all the 9 results at ftdna project have M33a2 . I think that is due to inbreeding with very few maternal founders .L3/L1c is essentially south Asian one though there are some pockets outside like Chechens.Never mind high frequencies among Kerala Christians since it is mostly due to founder effect .My maternal grandfather's line is L1c and he is a Jacobite christian .L1c is found at low frequencies in other south Indian groups too . By looking at STR values L1c found among us seems to cluster with other south Indians rather than with jatts and pathans. So overall your uniparental markers are not indicative of any west Asian ancestry but your austomal results are . The 'Caucasian' in your harappa results is 5% higher than the average of Syrian Christians in the project .

M33
http://www.nature.com/srep/2015/150211/srep08377/full/srep08377.html
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